Thank you, Bishop Spong, for your interpretation of Mary and John, the beloved disciple as the symbolic relationship of Judaism and Christianity and the cross as the meeting of theSe Two faiths.
I so much appreciate John Spong's ability to put ancient texts into the context of their culture and time frame , and show how they have been misused and misinterpreted into the ridiculous beliefs that have been evolved by the church. He stimulates the brain to THINK about all the magic invented and bring it down to earth and a clearer sense of the real world we all live in.
@@telvinteiko2217 he is trying to make things logical for the unbelievers, as he is an unbeliever himself. As he walks by sight not by faith and is wise is his own understanding . That if he were to witness the power of Jesus name he would stop this symbolism logic he has. He needs a real encounter with Jesus. “For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish; but unto us who are saved, it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18.
This is exactly where I am in my spiritual journey. I was born and baptized as a catholic. Sometimes I still have to hold myself back from making the sing of the cross. And I'm a black man.
I pray 🙏 you folks WILL READ the Word of God on your own & come to your conclusions. YES you ought to READ the entire Bible. That way no one can manipulate the Scriptures & half quote them to you OUT of CONTEXT‼️ Jesus will be APPEARING any moment 🙏. When Christians disappear worldwide, 🙏 please remember this. Aliens didn't take us Jesus Christ did. He is real, he's the Son of Man & he is GOD. His grace and mercy are beyond generous & his love is PRICELESS ‼️ Jesus was born a virgin & lived a PERFECT, SINLESS LIFE. He died for your sins and he loves you. Romans 10:9-10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
God bless you my beloved. the moment I want through my comment I saw a revelation concerning you, your family and things around you. my dear, I saw God favour, success, joy, breakthrough. behind that I saw more spiritual attacks, from the enemies working on holding such blessings, causing your set back, but you are lefted above any spiritual tower. so the Lord is instructing you to sow a seed of faith into to a motherless babies home.(orphanage) this is going to be a covenant seed between you and God. the Lord ask me to tell you before the end of,3 three days, you should try as much as possible to sow the seed the into godstime motherless babies home (orphanage) located in somewhere in Nigeria to bring spiritual and divine breakthrough in your life and that of your family because there is power in sowing of seed contact the (orphanage) home management or you can also WhatsApp them on this numbers,+2348025125218 if you are through with this let me know, so I will give you guide line on how you should pray God bless you...
There are 6 categories of Mishnah, which are like the 6 jars---- and when Gentiles see how "abysmally wrong" about Hebrew teaching conventions, they would have an idea of how drunk, spiritually, their wrong interpretations of Scripture are, especially here--- in the unclean disregard of drinking vessels, same as oblivion to context.
L'épisode des noces de Cana (comme beaucoup d'autres trucs chez Jean) n'est pas que le récit historique d'un événement plate, mais plein de signification. Marie est présentée comme "mère de l'époux", car il s'agit des noces de l'Agneau, ici Spong a raison. L'hymnographie parle de ces choses abondamment. Toutefois, Spong semble ne pas savoir que les rédacteurs de l'évangile selon Jean avaient sous les yeux les synoptiques, et ont voulu y ajouter non seulement un enseignement théologique, mais aussi des précisions historiques. Ce que Spong dit de Marc, c'est une répétition de l'adoptianisme, qui a déjà été démonté par les Pères de l'Église. Beaucoup de choses sur la parenté de Jésus nous viennent d'Hégésippe. Spong omet la "parthenos" de la LXX (ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει καὶ τέξεται υἱόν), alors que c'est chose archiconnue, même par un séminariste de première année: "ἐν γαστρὶ ἔχω", littéralement "en ventre avoir", est très courant dans la LXX, et ça signifie toujours "concevoir". Spong l'ignore. Également, la généalogie de Luc dit que Jésus était "d'Éli" (=Éliachim=Joachim), sans mentionner Marie (à cause des préjugés mêmes dont parle Spong), mais en mettant Marie comme personne à part entière, pas juste incubatrice. Si Jean omet tout ce qui se rapporte à la naissance humaine de Jésus, c'est précisément parce qu'il y répond par l'engendrement divin de Jésus (le prologue), et non pas par ignorance ou stupidité. Bref, Spong connaît extrêmement mal l'évangile selon Jean; ce n'est pas pour rien que l'homme est devenu ce qu'il est devenu. Le passage chez Ézéchiël me semble est une vraie prophétie sur Marie, et les PCP anglicans de 1552-1662 font lire ce passage à l'Annonciation, même si cette prophétie n'est pas utilisée par les rédacteurs du NT (qui utilisent cependant Iésaïe 7:14). Mais si l'on considère (comme Spong) que tout ce qu'il y a dans le NT est fabriqué rétrospectivement en lisant les prophètes, on finit par conclure que le personnage même de Jésus fût une fiction, basée sur Josué et une multitude d'autres personnages de l'AT. Spong a raison de dire que Marie est un symbole du peuple de Dieu, sauf qu'il s'agit du peuple dans la continuité AT-NT, comme la femme de l'Apocalypse; les premiers chrétiens ont vu l'Église comme étant le vrai Israël. L'image de Spong où le judaïsme talmudique serait la mère du christianisme est très récente (20ème siècle): il fait un anachronisme terrible. J'ai beaucoup aimé une excellente thèse de doctorat écrite par un témoin de Jéhovah sur l'identité de la reine Esther; je crois que je peux également apprendre deux ou trois choses de Spong. Toutefois, il prétend avoir découvert l'eau froide, alors qu'il est totalement ignorant de la patrologie et de l'hymnologie chrétienne traditionnelle.
He is worshiping God and confessing Christ as Lord now, but certainly not on the terms he’d want. Rather than praising with joy, he is on his face and knees begging and screaming for mercy.
That is exactly what I don't understand...if the bible contains only fables and man-made stories with very little (if any) truth - and he knows this - why would he continue to believe the biggest lie in it? The ability of the human mind to deceive itself never fails to astound me.
"master story teller". No kidding. Irony is the salt of truth. Writing this after his passing. After he's run smack dab into his Creator. Answering for the damage he's done. JSS is a warning for those still living. Don't twist scripture.
Maxime Boucher I don't blame Spong. I don't believe in Jesus because I don't know which Jesus. I don't trust the gospels. I have never met Jesus to shake his hand and ask him questions. Most of the gospels are proven fiction upon honest research. I doubt this God exists. Why doesn't Jesus appear today?
The bible makes it clear that God is holy. This holy God holds a perfect moral standard. Sadly, we have all fallen way short of that standard(Romans 3:23). The penalty for sin/imperfection is Hell(Revelation 21:8). Thankfully the bible also says that God is rich in mercy and grace. That is why He sent His perfect son to die on a cross to save us from our sin. You and I broke God's law but Jesus paid our fine. Then Jesus rose from the dead, 3 day later, thus defeating death. "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. But whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them." John 3:36
God bless you my beloved. the moment I want through my comment I saw a revelation concerning you, your family and things around you. my dear, I saw God favour, success, joy, breakthrough. behind that I saw more spiritual attacks, from the enemies working on holding such blessings, causing your set back, but you are lefted above any spiritual tower. so the Lord is instructing you to sow a seed of faith into to a motherless babies home.(orphanage) this is going to be a covenant seed between you and God. the Lord ask me to tell you before the end of,3 three days, you should try as much as possible to sow the seed the into godstime motherless babies home (orphanage) located in somewhere in Nigeria to bring spiritual and divine breakthrough in your life and that of your family because there is power in sowing of seed contact the (orphanage) home management or you can also WhatsApp them on this numbers,+2348025125218 if you are through with this let me know, so I will give you guide line on how you should pray God bless you....
@@bishopjohnshelby8462 The bible makes it clear that God is holy. This holy God holds a perfect moral standard. Sadly, we have all fallen way short of that standard(Romans 3:23). The penalty for sin/imperfection is Hell(Revelation 21:8). Thankfully the bible also says that God is rich in mercy and grace. That is why He sent His perfect son to die on a cross to save us from our sin. You and I broke God's law but Jesus paid our fine. Then Jesus rose from the dead, 3 day later, thus defeating death. "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. But whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them." John 3:36
Thank you, Bishop Spong, for your interpretation of Mary and John, the beloved disciple as the symbolic relationship of Judaism and Christianity and the cross as the meeting of theSe
Two faiths.
I so much appreciate John Spong's ability to put ancient texts into the context of their culture and time frame , and show how they have been misused and misinterpreted into the ridiculous beliefs that have been evolved by the church. He stimulates the brain to THINK about all the magic invented and bring it down to earth and a clearer sense of the real world we all live in.
Christians are scared of the truth..
I like your genuine post
@@telvinteiko2217 he is trying to make things logical for the unbelievers, as he is an unbeliever himself. As he walks by sight not by faith and is wise is his own understanding . That if he were to witness the power of Jesus name he would stop this symbolism logic he has. He needs a real encounter with Jesus.
“For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish; but unto us who are saved, it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18.
@@magalydeleon557 And you prove exactly what he is saying---you have no Biblical scholarship at all!
@@rrickarr atleast I have something he lacks Faith. 🙏🥰
Brilliant. Religion for people with a functioning brain. "The heart cannot worship what the mind rejects." J.S. Spong
THIS!
This is exactly where I am in my spiritual journey. I was born and baptized as a catholic. Sometimes I still have to hold myself back from making the sing of the cross. And I'm a black man.
I pray 🙏 you folks WILL READ the Word of God on your own & come to your conclusions. YES you ought to READ the entire Bible. That way no one can manipulate the Scriptures & half quote them to you OUT of CONTEXT‼️
Jesus will be APPEARING any moment 🙏. When Christians disappear worldwide, 🙏 please remember this. Aliens didn't take us Jesus Christ did. He is real, he's the Son of Man & he is GOD. His grace and mercy are beyond generous & his love is PRICELESS ‼️
Jesus was born a virgin & lived a PERFECT, SINLESS LIFE. He died for your sins and he loves you. Romans 10:9-10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
What a knowledgeable person
He's knowledgeable at fooling people.
Brilliant.
God thru the prophets raged against Israel for their idolatry, and later thru his son, only to be rejected and crucified by them.
He would have made his lecture even better by ending it with Same Bat Time Same Bat Channel LOL.
His christianity is just humanitarianism, and you don't need religion to be that way
We must change the narratve change the vocabuary and now we have real texts on our mobile phones freedom
"I can't bind God with my limitations." All of you believing people need to understand this.
STOP YOUR WEAKNESS FROM MAKING AN IDOL.
Huh???
God bless you my beloved. the moment I want through my comment I saw a revelation concerning you, your family and things around you. my dear, I saw God favour, success, joy, breakthrough. behind that I saw more spiritual attacks, from the enemies working on holding such blessings, causing your set back, but you are lefted above any spiritual tower. so the Lord is instructing you to sow a seed of faith into to a motherless babies home.(orphanage) this is going to be a covenant seed between you and God. the Lord ask me to tell you before the end of,3 three days, you should try as much as possible to sow the seed the into godstime motherless babies home (orphanage) located in somewhere in Nigeria to bring spiritual and divine breakthrough in your life and that of your family because there is power in sowing of seed contact the (orphanage) home management or you can also WhatsApp them on this numbers,+2348025125218 if you are through with this let me know, so I will give you guide line on how you should pray God bless you...
@@gregorybaskin8228 IOW, God is not limited by your ignorance and selfishness.
There are 6 categories of Mishnah, which are like the 6 jars---- and when Gentiles see how "abysmally wrong" about Hebrew teaching conventions, they would have an idea of how drunk, spiritually, their wrong interpretations of Scripture are, especially here--- in the unclean disregard of drinking vessels, same as oblivion to context.
L'épisode des noces de Cana (comme beaucoup d'autres trucs chez Jean) n'est pas que le récit historique d'un événement plate, mais plein de signification. Marie est présentée comme "mère de l'époux", car il s'agit des noces de l'Agneau, ici Spong a raison. L'hymnographie parle de ces choses abondamment. Toutefois, Spong semble ne pas savoir que les rédacteurs de l'évangile selon Jean avaient sous les yeux les synoptiques, et ont voulu y ajouter non seulement un enseignement théologique, mais aussi des précisions historiques. Ce que Spong dit de Marc, c'est une répétition de l'adoptianisme, qui a déjà été démonté par les Pères de l'Église. Beaucoup de choses sur la parenté de Jésus nous viennent d'Hégésippe. Spong omet la "parthenos" de la LXX (ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει καὶ τέξεται υἱόν), alors que c'est chose archiconnue, même par un séminariste de première année: "ἐν γαστρὶ ἔχω", littéralement "en ventre avoir", est très courant dans la LXX, et ça signifie toujours "concevoir". Spong l'ignore. Également, la généalogie de Luc dit que Jésus était "d'Éli" (=Éliachim=Joachim), sans mentionner Marie (à cause des préjugés mêmes dont parle Spong), mais en mettant Marie comme personne à part entière, pas juste incubatrice. Si Jean omet tout ce qui se rapporte à la naissance humaine de Jésus, c'est précisément parce qu'il y répond par l'engendrement divin de Jésus (le prologue), et non pas par ignorance ou stupidité. Bref, Spong connaît extrêmement mal l'évangile selon Jean; ce n'est pas pour rien que l'homme est devenu ce qu'il est devenu. Le passage chez Ézéchiël me semble est une vraie prophétie sur Marie, et les PCP anglicans de 1552-1662 font lire ce passage à l'Annonciation, même si cette prophétie n'est pas utilisée par les rédacteurs du NT (qui utilisent cependant Iésaïe 7:14). Mais si l'on considère (comme Spong) que tout ce qu'il y a dans le NT est fabriqué rétrospectivement en lisant les prophètes, on finit par conclure que le personnage même de Jésus fût une fiction, basée sur Josué et une multitude d'autres personnages de l'AT. Spong a raison de dire que Marie est un symbole du peuple de Dieu, sauf qu'il s'agit du peuple dans la continuité AT-NT, comme la femme de l'Apocalypse; les premiers chrétiens ont vu l'Église comme étant le vrai Israël. L'image de Spong où le judaïsme talmudique serait la mère du christianisme est très récente (20ème siècle): il fait un anachronisme terrible. J'ai beaucoup aimé une excellente thèse de doctorat écrite par un témoin de Jéhovah sur l'identité de la reine Esther; je crois que je peux également apprendre deux ou trois choses de Spong. Toutefois, il prétend avoir découvert l'eau froide, alors qu'il est totalement ignorant de la patrologie et de l'hymnologie chrétienne traditionnelle.
He is worshiping God and confessing Christ as Lord now, but certainly not on the terms he’d want.
Rather than praising with joy, he is on his face and knees begging and screaming for mercy.
In a warm place?
@@arrowhead753 I’m referring to Hell, sir.
Apparently the more Bishop Spong learns the more he clings to the lie. He keeps on "spinning" the thing. It's past time to let it go!
That is exactly what I don't understand...if the bible contains only fables and man-made stories with very little (if any) truth - and he knows this - why would he continue to believe the biggest lie in it? The ability of the human mind to deceive itself never fails to astound me.
"master story teller". No kidding. Irony is the salt of truth. Writing this after his passing. After he's run smack dab into his Creator. Answering for the damage he's done. JSS is a warning for those still living. Don't twist scripture.
Spong is excellent😊
My wife, a good Episcopalian, read one of his books. He almost destroyed her faith in Yeshua. What an arrogant bastard.
Hey all of you commenting about how JSS is now in "Hell", etc... you are the reason the term "holy shit" exists.
If Satan was an Anglican Bishop...
Well that's what people like you will say about him because you don't like your personal beliefs challenged and you take them easily as blind faith.
Kenechukwu Aniagboso
😢 you hurt my feelings.
@@parrisroy yeah i know just show fragile you are!
Kenechukwu Aniagboso 😆😝
Lol...😂
this man tough he's nice it's not a believer of Jesus.
Maxime Boucher I don't blame Spong. I don't believe in Jesus because I don't know which Jesus. I don't trust the gospels. I have never met Jesus to shake his hand and ask him questions. Most of the gospels are proven fiction upon honest research. I doubt this God exists. Why doesn't Jesus appear today?
Well, of course he is not a REAL christian because he doesn't believe and worship exactly as you do. Religion is poison in every and all forms.
The bible makes it clear that God is holy. This holy God holds a perfect moral standard. Sadly, we have all fallen way short of that standard(Romans 3:23). The penalty for sin/imperfection is Hell(Revelation 21:8).
Thankfully the bible also says that God is rich in mercy and grace. That is why He sent His perfect son to die on a cross to save us from our sin. You and I broke God's law but Jesus paid our fine. Then Jesus rose from the dead, 3 day later, thus defeating death.
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. But whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them." John 3:36
God bless you my beloved. the moment I want through my comment I saw a revelation concerning you, your family and things around you. my dear, I saw God favour, success, joy, breakthrough. behind that I saw more spiritual attacks, from the enemies working on holding such blessings, causing your set back, but you are lefted above any spiritual tower. so the Lord is instructing you to sow a seed of faith into to a motherless babies home.(orphanage) this is going to be a covenant seed between you and God. the Lord ask me to tell you before the end of,3 three days, you should try as much as possible to sow the seed the into godstime motherless babies home (orphanage) located in somewhere in Nigeria to bring spiritual and divine breakthrough in your life and that of your family because there is power in sowing of seed contact the (orphanage) home management or you can also WhatsApp them on this numbers,+2348025125218 if you are through with this let me know, so I will give you guide line on how you should pray God bless you....
@@bishopjohnshelby8462 The bible makes it clear that God is holy. This holy God holds a perfect moral standard. Sadly, we have all fallen way short of that standard(Romans 3:23). The penalty for sin/imperfection is Hell(Revelation 21:8).
Thankfully the bible also says that God is rich in mercy and grace. That is why He sent His perfect son to die on a cross to save us from our sin. You and I broke God's law but Jesus paid our fine. Then Jesus rose from the dead, 3 day later, thus defeating death.
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. But whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them." John 3:36
Spong, your variation on Ruth and Bathsheba, are totally evil.
I woke up to this unfortunate tirade! Ugh~!
Amen bless you dr john