That is a good question. One thing’s for sure, I hope the gameplay and its story are good and that we can KEEP the weapons instead of them breaking in the middle of battle. Hmm, I can understand why some people think it would be in the Downfall Timeline, and it is plausible. However, I can see it in the Child Timeline as time has passed for one and who knows? Some people might've forgotten about the Triforce's name if not its power along with Ganon until Echoes came along (after all, FSA shows that Ganon was sealed away in the Four Sword). Well that and the Gerudo being able to allow someone outside of their clan help them. Either that or like its recent predecessors it ties the timelines together because of certain elements (i.e. River and Sea Zora coexisting, Condé, etc.) That aside I’d love to see Nintendo do an official backstory on how the Gerudos made the once a century male gerudo birth decree come to be (I made one myself but I'd like to see what answer Nintendo comes up with that fits with the lore and doesn't mess up the timeline); if not I’ll settle for what happens to the Four Sword after Ganon was sealed away in it in Four Sword Adventures. Heck I’d love to see Zelda take the lead again, and this time with her light arrows. Or perhaps even a new adventure where the latest reincarnation of either the princess or the hero would be a shape-shifter. If that doesn't work, I'd love to see details about the adventures before TMC, before FS, and what happens after MM long before Ganondorf's botched excution in TP.
I hope Nintendo can make a Torna-esque TOTK side story where we get to see more Zelda’s journey in the Era of Hyrule’s Founding, adding layers of the Zonai origin, and the Imprisoning War (or Sealing War in Japanese)with her as a playable character. More importantly, add in contents from the Master Works like depicting the Age of the gods (Hylia entrusting the Sacred Stones to the Zonai). And/or the cut Farosh temple content and the Temple of the Sages as you mentioned in the last video. More importantly, give Rauru, Sonia, and Mineru more screentime while making the Ancient Sages more fleshed out at the same time. The Ancient Sage of Lightening would’ve have her own character arc from being Ganondorf’s most entrusted lieutenant in his Gerudo army to defecting her formal king as Ganondorf transforms into the powerful Demon King. My friend and I have been talking over of what could've make TOTK's story better. I suggested exploring Hyrule's distant past with Zelda as a main playable character. He agrees that it would've been better since Princess Zelda has been treated as her own protagonist and it would connect the dots of how the Imprisoning War is tide to the first two Great Calamities and the rise of the Yiga Clan.
i wonder if there is going to be the sequel to phantom hourglass and prequel to spirit tracks or the oracle series remake or the minish cap remake or phantom hourglass remake or spirit tracks remake or four swords series remake or a link between worlds remake or tri force heroes remake or the master quest of a link between worlds or a link to the past remake.
I like the little fan theory going around that in LBW, Lorule being "eaten" by darkness is actually Null taking the Cosmos back. It feels fitting, you know.
The thing I liked about Echoes of Wisdom is that it add another layer to the Legend of Zelda lore: the 'Creation of the World story is what makes this Zelda game so DAMN rich ever since Hylia’s struggle against Demise in Skyward Sword. Each version of Ganon/Ganondorf are indeed the incarnations of Demise and the King of Evil is sought to conquered/dominate Hyrule, but those are just baby steps compared to Null who wants to destroy everything. And given the Kingdom of Hyrule another purpose as a barrier created by the three Golden Goddess (Din, Nayru, and Farore) to keep this ancient evil entity contained is INSANE!
I personally would have placed Echoes of Wisdom after Zelda I and Zelda II, because it’s still the same Downfall timeline map we see in ALttP and ALBW, but the kingdom seems be picking itself back up, whereas the kingdom seems to still be all over the place in LoZ 1&2
Personally, I put Echoes of Wisdom somewhere before even Skyward Sword. The continuing presence of the Three Goddesses, with none of their later deputies around, and the idea that Null has been creating rifts the entire time which have been being sealed almost immediately, but never thinks to start targeting the Tris, both point to creation being relatively recent. Dampe's automatons could be the precursors of the Lanayru Province sentient mining robots, Might Crystals could be a precursor form of Timeshift Stone, and the Stilled World could be the early stages of the Sacred Realm, particularly with the Triforce being used there at the end of the game. The geography matching that of distant future Hyrule can be explained in several different ways: - Hylia, Goddess of Time is known to have been able to see the entire timeline at once, so she could have copied the future kingdom for the initial creation. - The future creation of sacred buildings could have been guided by visions of the past. - The location and form of the various shrines and temples could have been dictated by the flows of mystical energies that the structures mark, causing very similar structures to be built on the same sites in different eras.
1:40 Small detail I'd like to add; I don't think the Void was EVERYWHERE, just where Hyrule's planet was created. I still hold firm to the idea that Din created the land atop a foundation, that being the home of the demon tribe, eventually prompting Demise to breach the earth in revenge. So, Null was, quite possibly, in the skies above the Old World, and wherever the Goddesses came from, they feared Null might one day try to expand its void.
It sucks that Kotake and Koume that is only shown briefly in the Dragon Tears and their names are written in Ganondorf’s gloom weapons. Would it be awesome for The Zelda team to bring back Twinrova in the Era of the Wild? Imagine what kind of boss battle it be if players are in centered with either Link or a playable Princess Zelda. Let alone layering in more backstory of who Ganondorf is before he becomes the Gerudo King, how he mastered the Gloom magic, and building up his own philosophy that he wants to bring back the land to it’s original state.
So a bit of Lovecraftian touch to bind them all…sold. I gotta say killing Gannondorf so many times has gotta put the devs in the corner but having Null exist and let’s just say his existence in the other eras (for talking/argument/theory sake) Would give the devs much needed room to expand…though Suave Ganndorf is another entity none can resist.
Great video! Long before Echoes of Wisdom came out, I figured that it would fall exactly where you said it falls on the Timeline. It's awesome to see Nintendo still giving the established timeline it's due! It's the only thing I felt was... Lacking in TOTK.
You should totally do the timeline conversion theory and the first Hyrule Warrior game is a perfect way to explain it because it doesn't matter at the end of which timeline Hyrule Warriors takes place in because of the whole timeline mixing shenanigans closed up some remnants of each timeline got left behind in the other timelines, which is why we have myths and legends and references from all three timelines in breath of the wild and tears of the Kingdom
I believe that EoW takes place in the Reunified/End Timeline with BotW and TotK. More specifically, EoW takes place before the Zonai descend from the sky and Rauru & Sonia found/refound the Kingdom of Hyrule.
What a wonderful telling of the whole legend! I loved hearing the translation of Echoes of Wisdom from the original Japanese! I thought at first Lueburry/Rūberi was a nod to Ravio, but maybe is instead a nod to Robbie (BotW). Now I know you're going to think I sound nitpicky, but I still say that the end cutscene of the Joined Oracle Games (where Link sets out in a boat after defeating the failed resurrectionof Ganon) precedes and leads directly into Link's Awakening (where Link begins already at sea and is shipwrecked). Again, wonderful entry here!
I wonder if this could mean the light spirits from ST is just another name for the golden foresees, the way null and malladus were imprisoned were nearly identical
I still think a hero did come to save Hyrule, preventing it from being flooded. Which leds to Hyrule warriors, then splits again to #1 age of calamity (HW) or #2 Botw then Totk. (Because many items like midna's helmet is in Botw, which if anyone played Hyrule Warriors knows the story of melding timelines). Also the story of Totk can be said that after SkywardSword, link's and zelda's Daughter with raru made Hyrule itself. (Note this also makes sense about the Two Master Swords theory.)
My personal theory is that Echoes of Wisdom, Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are all in the end of the Downfall Timeline. I hope they explore the other two timelines in the future
I think that the ancient hero appears more like a Zonai halfway through Draconifacation, comparing Zonai Rauru to Light Dragon Zelda, though a hybrid works too.
I would place echoes even later in the timeline namely hundreds of years after Adventure of Link. The central hyrule map could still be similar to Alttp since Zelda 1+2 takes place in northeastern hyrule. The fact that both ganon(just an echo in this game) and the triforce seem to be forgotten by most is a strong argument. Also enemies like Aruroda and Moas only ever appeared in Adventure of Link prior to this. This would also explain some of the throwbacks to botw/totk placing this a few thousand years before said games
18:35 OK, we need a correction. The oracle games end off with Link setting sail so this should be before awakening where Link would be called upon, save Hyrule again, then set sail to discover his purpose through the dream of Koholint
The thing is, this changed when they made the Hyrule Encyclopedia timeline. Their reasoning for the change was the fact that Zelda didn't know who Link was. Even though official articles and the Historia before hand both confirmed the oracle games were the next chapter in the Triforce of the Gods saga with Aonuma implying the boat scene was indeed what led into LA. Another reason why I prefer Historia over the Encyclopedia.
I do not care what everyone thinks if this is non-canon. But what about the Age of Calamity alternate timeline where Terrako went back in time to prevent the deaths of the champions and rewrite history? Since Ganondorf's mummified corpse may still beneath Hyrule Castle's Imprisoning Chamber in this timeline, I hope Nintendo can make a sequel to Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity.
I would like to know how Astor came to be the enemy we faced in Age of Calamity I’ll admit to that. And it would be cool to see Rauru, Mineru, and Sonia being playable characters there. And to have the other sages be named too.
@@PrincessDreamActress Well unfortuntely Astor is consumed by Ganon in Age of Calamity. But making the Ancient Sages more fleshed out, and to providing Rauru, Mineru, and Sonia is a most need! Plus, a bit of add in lore layer such as the Hylia entrusting the Sacred Stones to the Zonai race, and to bring Twinrova back to the Wild era.
@@a.jthomas6132 I agree on more lore for the BOTW/TOTK items and characters; I would love to see a proper first meeting of Rauru and Sonia and the events leading up to them getting married. Or at least have Twinrova mentioned if they can't be brought back. I'm just curious as to how Astor came to be who he was before being consumed by Ganon, that's what I meant to say. Sorry for not clarifying.
@@PrincessDreamActress Astor's "origins" are literally shown in the Guardian of Rememberance DLC where it's revealed he was a random Hylian who got handpicked alongside a few others by Harbinger Ganon to become his potential lackey due to their own inherent evil desire and greed for power. Harbinger then used a corrupted Sheikah Core to figure out which one was the most worthy of becoming his _only_ lackey, absorbing the Malice produced by the less powerful candidates (which kills them) and putting it all inside the most Malice-fuelled candidate (which was Astor).
I’m glad the Zelda timeline is still being updated, I definitely need to play Echos of wisdom sometime after being mega disappointed with Tears of the kingdom.
Its time like this where I wish they would go back and have a game that takes place in Zelda and Zelda 2's Hyrule for a change. Its bizarre that damn near every DT game takes place in the ALttP/ALBW Hyrule all the time. Would it really kill them to have a game that takes place after Zelda 2 AoL? Not counting BotW and TotK.
Huh, so EoW is between ALBW and HF/LoZ 1 here? Makes sense to put it after ALBW given the decayed state of the desert place. I would have put it after AoL/LoZ 2 but who knows if we'll get another game going into it.
The geography of Zelda 2's Hyrule looks far too inconsistent with A Link to the Past's Hyrule (which is the basis for Echoes to Wisdom's Hyrule) for the kingdom to conveniently change its geography back to what it was back during the times of ALttP.
@@javiervasquez625 Depends on how seriously you take the geography. Hyrule geography isn't 100% inline with the lore. Also, Four Swords Adventures was semi-based off ALttP as well. (Minus Lake Hylia on top of Zora's Domain/Waterfall and Lost Woods below Kakariko Village.) Though not as accurate as ALBW and EoW. Whereas places tend to move around a lot. The state of the desert palace shows it's after ALBW at the very least. Still, that's a good reason anyway.
@@EvyDevy Yeah well, as stated in my previous comment, Nintendo would have no choice but to explain the suddenly flooding of Hyrule's borders in the Child Timeline in order to make any sense of the disparity between EoW's Hyrule been on dry land while FSA's conveniently suffered a similar fate to The Wind Waker's Hyrule. Nintendo wouldn't be that lazy to shove such a plotpoint aside after introducing an in-lore explanation for the creation of The Great Sea.
I think that eow comes after zelda 2 as no one even remembers the name of the triforce, the gerudo have returned, the albw palaces are barely recognizable ruins.
Huh i more i look at the complexity of the zelda timelines; the more i think it needs to be reworked into a single (either reuniting the three or a non branching) timeline.
I see Breath of the Wild as just that even if Nintendo didn't show us a visual depiction of a timeline "unification". The Era of the Wild is pretty much what happens thousands of years after every single timeline has taken place.
That's not the complete timeline imo. You forgot the whole stuff we found out in botw and totk. For example how the zonai and hylians created the kingdom and the imprisoning war
21:07 I really hope they redo the Oracle Games, I say redo not remake because at the time the Oracle Games where too ambitious like having three games cut down to two. So they could in theory add another 1/3 to the game if they add the Secrets Quest and in addition play more with the mechanics Time travel and time manipulation.
Why add a third game to a duology which is already perfect as it is? Might as well make brand _new_ titles which actually succeed in been part of a trilogy instead of "redoing" what was ultimately a failed attempt.
@@javiervasquez625 Who said anything about making three games? It can be one game with three adventures paths that can be taken in any order since Zelda games are bigger now. Have Link/player walks up to the Triforce in three peices and each triforce piece sends him off on an adventure with a new area. Beat all three area and you unlock Hyrule to finished the game and save Zelda.
1:27:30 Just saying here. HOW THE HECK DID ZELINK SURVIVE THAT FALL? Even in water from that height the water should have been similar to hitting ice and broken every single one of their bones.
Man after a year and a quarter of TOTK releasing, I can't help but still feel disappointed that it completely ruined timeline canon worse than even the Star Wars sequels. The gameplay was still really good albeit the same as BOTW but the organized canon was completely destroyered. Maybe the next game will explain it idk.
No need to as _Master Works_ already confirms Nintendo's stance on the official timeline by placing both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom at the end of the timeline regardless of wether it takes place after Spirit Tracks, Four Swords Adventures or Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link. Echoes of Wisdom will definetly not affect Tears of the Kingdom's placement given Nintendo's insistence at putting the Wild Era at the very end of all timelines.
Echo's lore really doesn't make any sense. So the Goddesses couldn't destroy Null only imprison him but later Zelda and Link are able to destroy him by using the Triforce which is literally just a portion of the Goddesses power. So the full power Goddesses couldn't destroy something that was able to be destroyed later using only a portion of their power without them even being directly present.
The Triforce is more than “a portion of their power”. If anything, it’s at least the power of all three of them combined. It can bend reality to the wishes of the beholder.
@@WindMageMaster even so though the fact the Goddesses couldn't destroy Null directly is still hard to believe. Couldn't they have just combined their powers when they faced him? Or why not use the power of the Triforce to destroy him? I know it can't be used by divine beings but since they made that rule couldn't they break it? I mean it really does bug me that 2 mortal beings using their power could do something they couldn't.
@@digitaladventurer2142 I don’t think they actually would be worthy of the Triforce’s power, even if they could break the “no divine being” rule. You need to have power, wisdom, and courage to use it. Each goddess only has one of those virtues, so it probably wouldn’t work. Them collectively creating a powerful artificial doesn’t mean each goddess suddenly has complete control and superiority over it. It’s the ultimate power in the universe, created jointly by them, that requires each of their abilities within an individual to gain access to. The Triforce being more powerful than them makes sense, the same way that humans jointly create things more powerful than themselves in real life all the time. A mortal with the three virtues wishing to destroy Null would do exactly that, the same way Goddess Hylia could not destroy Demise, but Link’s Triforce wish did.
@@WindMageMaster Beautifully said, although i wouldn't say the Triforce is "more powerful than them" without arguing semantics as to wether the very essence of an immortal deity suddenly can be considered seperate from the deity themselves. The Triforce is basically the goddesses's very "spirits" fused as one without the goddesses's consciousness been contained within it.
As someone who thought that BotW & TotK took place in an alternate timeline entirely that was spun-off from the time travelling near the end of Skyward Sword (which effectively created a new timeline where Link either died to Demise who was then sealed by Zelda/Hylia thereby setting the stage for SS, which I thought BotW & TotK based based from OR Link defeats Demise thereby creating a new reality that the rest of the series is based off of), I was unsurprised and unbothered by Nintendo stating that the two games are doing their own thing.
Not a fan of echoes of wisdom 🤦🏼♀️ - bought it mostly for my grandchildren(8 +10 years old) and I to play - they played it a few times but think it's too annoying and childish after the freedom of BOTW and TOTK - I agree 🤦🏼♀️
So when is the Next Zelda Game coming out to update this Timeline? ;)
That is a good question. One thing’s for sure, I hope the gameplay and its story are good and that we can KEEP the weapons instead of them breaking in the middle of battle.
Hmm, I can understand why some people think it would be in the Downfall Timeline, and it is plausible. However, I can see it in the Child Timeline as time has passed for one and who knows? Some people might've forgotten about the Triforce's name if not its power along with Ganon until Echoes came along (after all, FSA shows that Ganon was sealed away in the Four Sword). Well that and the Gerudo being able to allow someone outside of their clan help them. Either that or like its recent predecessors it ties the timelines together because of certain elements (i.e. River and Sea Zora coexisting, Condé, etc.)
That aside I’d love to see Nintendo do an official backstory on how the Gerudos made the once a century male gerudo birth decree come to be (I made one myself but I'd like to see what answer Nintendo comes up with that fits with the lore and doesn't mess up the timeline); if not I’ll settle for what happens to the Four Sword after Ganon was sealed away in it in Four Sword Adventures. Heck I’d love to see Zelda take the lead again, and this time with her light arrows. Or perhaps even a new adventure where the latest reincarnation of either the princess or the hero would be a shape-shifter. If that doesn't work, I'd love to see details about the adventures before TMC, before FS, and what happens after MM long before Ganondorf's botched excution in TP.
I hope Nintendo can make a Torna-esque TOTK side story where we get to see more Zelda’s journey in the Era of Hyrule’s Founding, adding layers of the Zonai origin, and the Imprisoning War (or Sealing War in Japanese)with her as a playable character.
More importantly, add in contents from the Master Works like depicting the Age of the gods (Hylia entrusting the Sacred Stones to the Zonai). And/or the cut Farosh temple content and the Temple of the Sages as you mentioned in the last video. More importantly, give Rauru, Sonia, and Mineru more screentime while making the Ancient Sages more fleshed out at the same time.
The Ancient Sage of Lightening would’ve have her own character arc from being Ganondorf’s most entrusted lieutenant in his Gerudo army to defecting her formal king as Ganondorf transforms into the powerful Demon King.
My friend and I have been talking over of what could've make TOTK's story better. I suggested exploring Hyrule's distant past with Zelda as a main playable character. He agrees that it would've been better since Princess Zelda has been treated as her own protagonist and it would connect the dots of how the Imprisoning War is tide to the first two Great Calamities and the rise of the Yiga Clan.
So EoW is after ALBW?
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i wonder if there is going to be the sequel to phantom hourglass and prequel to spirit tracks or the oracle series remake or the minish cap remake or phantom hourglass remake or spirit tracks remake or four swords series remake or a link between worlds remake or tri force heroes remake or the master quest of a link between worlds or a link to the past remake.
I like the little fan theory going around that in LBW, Lorule being "eaten" by darkness is actually Null taking the Cosmos back. It feels fitting, you know.
Also, Demise coming from a fissure in the ground was actually a rift
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The thing I liked about Echoes of Wisdom is that it add another layer to the Legend of Zelda lore: the 'Creation of the World story is what makes this Zelda game so DAMN rich ever since Hylia’s struggle against Demise in Skyward Sword.
Each version of Ganon/Ganondorf are indeed the incarnations of Demise and the King of Evil is sought to conquered/dominate Hyrule, but those are just baby steps compared to Null who wants to destroy everything.
And given the Kingdom of Hyrule another purpose as a barrier created by the three Golden Goddess (Din, Nayru, and Farore) to keep this ancient evil entity contained is INSANE!
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I love Commonwealth Realms timeline videos!
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I personally would have placed Echoes of Wisdom after Zelda I and Zelda II, because it’s still the same Downfall timeline map we see in ALttP and ALBW, but the kingdom seems be picking itself back up, whereas the kingdom seems to still be all over the place in LoZ 1&2
Personally, I put Echoes of Wisdom somewhere before even Skyward Sword. The continuing presence of the Three Goddesses, with none of their later deputies around, and the idea that Null has been creating rifts the entire time which have been being sealed almost immediately, but never thinks to start targeting the Tris, both point to creation being relatively recent. Dampe's automatons could be the precursors of the Lanayru Province sentient mining robots, Might Crystals could be a precursor form of Timeshift Stone, and the Stilled World could be the early stages of the Sacred Realm, particularly with the Triforce being used there at the end of the game.
The geography matching that of distant future Hyrule can be explained in several different ways:
- Hylia, Goddess of Time is known to have been able to see the entire timeline at once, so she could have copied the future kingdom for the initial creation.
- The future creation of sacred buildings could have been guided by visions of the past.
- The location and form of the various shrines and temples could have been dictated by the flows of mystical energies that the structures mark, causing very similar structures to be built on the same sites in different eras.
1:10:46 I mean if Rauru and Sonia detected a bloodline link between them and Zelda, I think its pretty well implied they had descendants no?
Please DO NOT take this video down! I haven’t finished Echoes of Wisdom yet! 🙏🏻
I haven't even started yet 😂lol
1:40 Small detail I'd like to add; I don't think the Void was EVERYWHERE, just where Hyrule's planet was created. I still hold firm to the idea that Din created the land atop a foundation, that being the home of the demon tribe, eventually prompting Demise to breach the earth in revenge. So, Null was, quite possibly, in the skies above the Old World, and wherever the Goddesses came from, they feared Null might one day try to expand its void.
"Where Link narrowly dodged an arrow" 😂😂😂 RIP Ruto
It sucks that Kotake and Koume that is only shown briefly in the Dragon Tears and their names are written in Ganondorf’s gloom weapons.
Would it be awesome for The Zelda team to bring back Twinrova in the Era of the Wild? Imagine what kind of boss battle it be if players are in centered with either Link or a playable Princess Zelda.
Let alone layering in more backstory of who Ganondorf is before he becomes the Gerudo King, how he mastered the Gloom magic, and building up his own philosophy that he wants to bring back the land to it’s original state.
Maybe they could be the force behind calamity ganon 1000 years ago with the unnamed hero. Would line up with their counterparts in the oracles games.
@@adamdeffendall9428 Maybe but it needs to be directly tide to the contents of both the Master Works, BOTW continuity, and Creating the Champions.
Came back after not watching this channel for a year and wow what happened there's a cool sounding narrator now. SO COOL!
So a bit of Lovecraftian touch to bind them all…sold. I gotta say killing Gannondorf so many times has gotta put the devs in the corner but having Null exist and let’s just say his existence in the other eras (for talking/argument/theory sake) Would give the devs much needed room to expand…though Suave Ganndorf is another entity none can resist.
Great video! Long before Echoes of Wisdom came out, I figured that it would fall exactly where you said it falls on the Timeline. It's awesome to see Nintendo still giving the established timeline it's due! It's the only thing I felt was... Lacking in TOTK.
Theory: it’s on the part of the timeline where the fallen and child timelines merge.
You should totally do the timeline conversion theory and the first Hyrule Warrior game is a perfect way to explain it because it doesn't matter at the end of which timeline Hyrule Warriors takes place in because of the whole timeline mixing shenanigans closed up some remnants of each timeline got left behind in the other timelines, which is why we have myths and legends and references from all three timelines in breath of the wild and tears of the Kingdom
Dam null played itself with making an echo with the essence of ganon which only that triggered the curse again for a new link and zelda
Been waiting on this one. I absolutely loved Echoes Of Wisdom
I believe that EoW takes place in the Reunified/End Timeline with BotW and TotK. More specifically, EoW takes place before the Zonai descend from the sky and Rauru & Sonia found/refound the Kingdom of Hyrule.
About time i always enjoy these Timeline videos
What a wonderful telling of the whole legend! I loved hearing the translation of Echoes of Wisdom from the original Japanese!
I thought at first Lueburry/Rūberi was a nod to Ravio, but maybe is instead a nod to Robbie (BotW).
Now I know you're going to think I sound nitpicky, but I still say that the end cutscene of the Joined Oracle Games (where Link sets out in a boat after defeating the failed resurrectionof Ganon) precedes and leads directly into Link's Awakening (where Link begins already at sea and is shipwrecked).
Again, wonderful entry here!
I wonder if this could mean the light spirits from ST is just another name for the golden foresees, the way null and malladus were imprisoned were nearly identical
I still think a hero did come to save Hyrule, preventing it from being flooded. Which leds to Hyrule warriors, then splits again to #1 age of calamity (HW) or #2 Botw then Totk. (Because many items like midna's helmet is in Botw, which if anyone played Hyrule Warriors knows the story of melding timelines). Also the story of Totk can be said that after SkywardSword, link's and zelda's Daughter with raru made Hyrule itself. (Note this also makes sense about the Two Master Swords theory.)
I loved it. Thanks for this.
My personal theory is that Echoes of Wisdom, Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are all in the end of the Downfall Timeline. I hope they explore the other two timelines in the future
While I find it sad thater Zelda doesn't seem to know Link, I how there is some Zelink moments in Echoes of Wisdom.... even if it is subtle.
A other good vidoe dude keep you rock
RIP storyteller.
This is crazy great job! When is the Super Mario Timeline coming with Luigi's Mansion 3 & Wonder?
@@GabeNwagbala I also want them to upload the Sonic timeline with Frontiers, Superstars, and Shadow Generations.
I think that the ancient hero appears more like a Zonai halfway through Draconifacation, comparing Zonai Rauru to Light Dragon Zelda, though a hybrid works too.
I would place echoes even later in the timeline namely hundreds of years after Adventure of Link. The central hyrule map could still be similar to Alttp since Zelda 1+2 takes place in northeastern hyrule. The fact that both ganon(just an echo in this game) and the triforce seem to be forgotten by most is a strong argument. Also enemies like Aruroda and Moas only ever appeared in Adventure of Link prior to this. This would also explain some of the throwbacks to botw/totk placing this a few thousand years before said games
18:35 OK, we need a correction. The oracle games end off with Link setting sail so this should be before awakening where Link would be called upon, save Hyrule again, then set sail to discover his purpose through the dream of Koholint
The thing is, this changed when they made the Hyrule Encyclopedia timeline.
Their reasoning for the change was the fact that Zelda didn't know who Link was.
Even though official articles and the Historia before hand both confirmed the oracle games were the next chapter in the Triforce of the Gods saga with Aonuma implying the boat scene was indeed what led into LA. Another reason why I prefer Historia over the Encyclopedia.
@@firionkaiser8291I thought it was changed because link met malin and talon in the oracle games who became marin and tarin in koholint island
"Gibdoo" 😂 Great update, though!
I do not care what everyone thinks if this is non-canon. But what about the Age of Calamity alternate timeline where Terrako went back in time to prevent the deaths of the champions and rewrite history? Since Ganondorf's mummified corpse may still beneath Hyrule Castle's Imprisoning Chamber in this timeline, I hope Nintendo can make a sequel to Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity.
I would like to know how Astor came to be the enemy we faced in Age of Calamity I’ll admit to that. And it would be cool to see Rauru, Mineru, and Sonia being playable characters there. And to have the other sages be named too.
@@PrincessDreamActress Well unfortuntely Astor is consumed by Ganon in Age of Calamity. But making the Ancient Sages more fleshed out, and to providing Rauru, Mineru, and Sonia is a most need! Plus, a bit of add in lore layer such as the Hylia entrusting the Sacred Stones to the Zonai race, and to bring Twinrova back to the Wild era.
@@a.jthomas6132 I agree on more lore for the BOTW/TOTK items and characters; I would love to see a proper first meeting of Rauru and Sonia and the events leading up to them getting married. Or at least have Twinrova mentioned if they can't be brought back. I'm just curious as to how Astor came to be who he was before being consumed by Ganon, that's what I meant to say. Sorry for not clarifying.
Nintendo will never make a sequel to a game which is explicitly non canonical to the official Zelda timeline, so be ready to wait forever.
@@PrincessDreamActress Astor's "origins" are literally shown in the Guardian of Rememberance DLC where it's revealed he was a random Hylian who got handpicked alongside a few others by Harbinger Ganon to become his potential lackey due to their own inherent evil desire and greed for power. Harbinger then used a corrupted Sheikah Core to figure out which one was the most worthy of becoming his _only_ lackey, absorbing the Malice produced by the less powerful candidates (which kills them) and putting it all inside the most Malice-fuelled candidate (which was Astor).
I’m glad the Zelda timeline is still being updated, I definitely need to play Echos of wisdom sometime after being mega disappointed with Tears of the kingdom.
Its time like this where I wish they would go back and have a game that takes place in Zelda and Zelda 2's Hyrule for a change. Its bizarre that damn near every DT game takes place in the ALttP/ALBW Hyrule all the time.
Would it really kill them to have a game that takes place after Zelda 2 AoL? Not counting BotW and TotK.
Huh, so EoW is between ALBW and HF/LoZ 1 here? Makes sense to put it after ALBW given the decayed state of the desert place. I would have put it after AoL/LoZ 2 but who knows if we'll get another game going into it.
The geography of Zelda 2's Hyrule looks far too inconsistent with A Link to the Past's Hyrule (which is the basis for Echoes to Wisdom's Hyrule) for the kingdom to conveniently change its geography back to what it was back during the times of ALttP.
@@javiervasquez625 Depends on how seriously you take the geography. Hyrule geography isn't 100% inline with the lore. Also, Four Swords Adventures was semi-based off ALttP as well. (Minus Lake Hylia on top of Zora's Domain/Waterfall and Lost Woods below Kakariko Village.) Though not as accurate as ALBW and EoW. Whereas places tend to move around a lot. The state of the desert palace shows it's after ALBW at the very least. Still, that's a good reason anyway.
@@EvyDevy Yeah well, as stated in my previous comment, Nintendo would have no choice but to explain the suddenly flooding of Hyrule's borders in the Child Timeline in order to make any sense of the disparity between EoW's Hyrule been on dry land while FSA's conveniently suffered a similar fate to The Wind Waker's Hyrule. Nintendo wouldn't be that lazy to shove such a plotpoint aside after introducing an in-lore explanation for the creation of The Great Sea.
Great job nice
2nd narrator (Skyward sword) sounds like the guy from Final Affliction videos?
Will you do a Metroid timeline again since Metroid Prime 4 Beyond coming out next year?
Yes, will do after itt is out. Just like we did with Dread back in 2021!
@@commonwealthrealm Okey :D
Wanna add Age of Calamity into the video as an alternate timeline?
I feel like Neil DeGrasse Tyson is telling me the Zelda timeline 🤣
Slight disagree on my part.
The triforce's name being forgotten in EoW makes it hard to fit before the NES games, i would rather put it afterward.
I think that eow comes after zelda 2 as no one even remembers the name of the triforce, the gerudo have returned, the albw palaces are barely recognizable ruins.
Huh i more i look at the complexity of the zelda timelines; the more i think it needs to be reworked into a single (either reuniting the three or a non branching) timeline.
I see Breath of the Wild as just that even if Nintendo didn't show us a visual depiction of a timeline "unification". The Era of the Wild is pretty much what happens thousands of years after every single timeline has taken place.
That's not the complete timeline imo. You forgot the whole stuff we found out in botw and totk. For example how the zonai and hylians created the kingdom and the imprisoning war
21:07 I really hope they redo the Oracle Games, I say redo not remake because at the time the Oracle Games where too ambitious like having three games cut down to two. So they could in theory add another 1/3 to the game if they add the Secrets Quest and in addition play more with the mechanics Time travel and time manipulation.
Why add a third game to a duology which is already perfect as it is? Might as well make brand _new_ titles which actually succeed in been part of a trilogy instead of "redoing" what was ultimately a failed attempt.
@@javiervasquez625 Who said anything about making three games? It can be one game with three adventures paths that can be taken in any order since Zelda games are bigger now. Have Link/player walks up to the Triforce in three peices and each triforce piece sends him off on an adventure with a new area. Beat all three area and you unlock Hyrule to finished the game and save Zelda.
1:27:30 Just saying here. HOW THE HECK DID ZELINK SURVIVE THAT FALL? Even in water from that height the water should have been similar to hitting ice and broken every single one of their bones.
Man after a year and a quarter of TOTK releasing, I can't help but still feel disappointed that it completely ruined timeline canon worse than even the Star Wars sequels. The gameplay was still really good albeit the same as BOTW but the organized canon was completely destroyered. Maybe the next game will explain it idk.
I wonder if Hyrule historia is going to get rewritten after the events of tears of the kingdom, and echoes of wisdom.
No need to as _Master Works_ already confirms Nintendo's stance on the official timeline by placing both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom at the end of the timeline regardless of wether it takes place after Spirit Tracks, Four Swords Adventures or Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link. Echoes of Wisdom will definetly not affect Tears of the Kingdom's placement given Nintendo's insistence at putting the Wild Era at the very end of all timelines.
Very jazzy
I just realized that Din, Nayru, and Farore are just a bunch of dirty colonizers.
Echo's lore really doesn't make any sense. So the Goddesses couldn't destroy Null only imprison him but later Zelda and Link are able to destroy him by using the Triforce which is literally just a portion of the Goddesses power. So the full power Goddesses couldn't destroy something that was able to be destroyed later using only a portion of their power without them even being directly present.
The Triforce is more than “a portion of their power”. If anything, it’s at least the power of all three of them combined. It can bend reality to the wishes of the beholder.
@@WindMageMaster even so though the fact the Goddesses couldn't destroy Null directly is still hard to believe. Couldn't they have just combined their powers when they faced him? Or why not use the power of the Triforce to destroy him? I know it can't be used by divine beings but since they made that rule couldn't they break it? I mean it really does bug me that 2 mortal beings using their power could do something they couldn't.
@@digitaladventurer2142 I don’t think they actually would be worthy of the Triforce’s power, even if they could break the “no divine being” rule. You need to have power, wisdom, and courage to use it. Each goddess only has one of those virtues, so it probably wouldn’t work. Them collectively creating a powerful artificial doesn’t mean each goddess suddenly has complete control and superiority over it. It’s the ultimate power in the universe, created jointly by them, that requires each of their abilities within an individual to gain access to. The Triforce being more powerful than them makes sense, the same way that humans jointly create things more powerful than themselves in real life all the time.
A mortal with the three virtues wishing to destroy Null would do exactly that, the same way Goddess Hylia could not destroy Demise, but Link’s Triforce wish did.
@@WindMageMaster Beautifully said, although i wouldn't say the Triforce is "more powerful than them" without arguing semantics as to wether the very essence of an immortal deity suddenly can be considered seperate from the deity themselves. The Triforce is basically the goddesses's very "spirits" fused as one without the goddesses's consciousness been contained within it.
Null has been massively nerfed by his imprisonment in creation.
We don’t fight a full powered Null
What about Hyrule warriors
Are we still trying to put games in the timeline after the TotK shenanigans? 🤨
Echoes of Wisdom revived the Timeline in a big way!
@@commonwealthrealm I’m very disilusioned with the franchise after TotK
As someone who thought that BotW & TotK took place in an alternate timeline entirely that was spun-off from the time travelling near the end of Skyward Sword (which effectively created a new timeline where Link either died to Demise who was then sealed by Zelda/Hylia thereby setting the stage for SS, which I thought BotW & TotK based based from OR Link defeats Demise thereby creating a new reality that the rest of the series is based off of), I was unsurprised and unbothered by Nintendo stating that the two games are doing their own thing.
Not a fan of echoes of wisdom 🤦🏼♀️ - bought it mostly for my grandchildren(8 +10 years old) and I to play - they played it a few times but think it's too annoying and childish after the freedom of BOTW and TOTK - I agree 🤦🏼♀️
the flames of what???
CONDE!!!!!!
The sec9nd I heard of this game I k ew it was set after Link Between Worlds because of the rifts.
Is this narrator AI generated?
No it’s not. They’re actual voice actors narrating through the timeline.
36:35 bad edit
Not loving this narrator. Is it AI generated? Sounds very unnatural at times
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