Gw ‘We made the mistake of making the core game limited run, we learned that was a mistake and fixed that. Anyway here’s an expansion and it’s also limited run’
The Blackstone card only packs run out fast and No Respite seemed to disappear quickly, but the rest were available for a while. Nothing like the 10 minutes and gone for Cursed City and Nightwars.
GW very rarely do reprints of anything like this, so I wouldn't hold my breath, unfortunately. However, I live in hope that they will eventually do right by Cursed City. And yes, I spent a lot of time back in the day helping people find expansions for Blackstone and running videos on what was still available and what I thought people should move on while they could. Nothing disappeared with the speed that Nightwars did.
Thanks, that’s really kind of you. I’m so reluctant to cover Cursed City when it’s hard to get the products. My videos just seem to annoy the people who missed out. I really appreciate the kind words.
I just received my copy. I decided to get the direchasm vampires to proxy for the vampire lords, so I think that will do. Thanks for your video, you do a great job as always. :)
Thanks for the kind words. Loads of people have said about getting the Crimson Court. It's a really good option. If GW had any sense, they would have built the expansion around those vampires and included the Crimson Court in the box.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Exactly instead of 90 euros for the 3 vampires, I would have to pay 25-30 Euros for 4 vampires an have no issue at all with them not adding the miniatures.
It's ever increasing, the pleasure of missing out on this the first time round. I got super excited when they first announced this game, but instead of it becoming a continuing series on my channel. It became the start of my slow distrust and deviation away from GW releases. In fact lately I've spent more on SW Legion and Digimon tcg than Warhammer and soon I'll be adding the new TT:120 range from Hornby to the things I'll be buying over GW products. IF they up their game with the next expansion, maybe tying it in with the Flesheater Courts update, maybe it might be enough for me to buy in, but the way they're going currently? My future with them isn't looking good.
I soldier on with Warhammer Quest, because I do love the games so much. But really, it would take something pretty impressive from GW to make me go in on another game. The only exceptions to that would be the bookshelf games, which is irrelevant when they don't make it to the UK anyway!
The bad release last year started my long lost love in dungeon crawlers...now I am 3000€ deep into kickstarters and other boarddgames from my local FGS....ah, there are none of GW games in the middle of them. I don´t even buy new Eldar models for painting... GW´s intransparent politics paired with zero communication and anti-customer behaviour is not bearable...
There are definitely fantastic companies out there with excellent games on shelves right now that deserve all the love and support. But for me, trading GW to (most) Kickstarters is a sideways move, not an improvement.
Great video. I’ve bought it but am saving as a Christmas present for my sons who played the core game with me. I agree that if they had included the bats, that would have sweetened rather than soured the whole ‘no minis’ issue. I would love to see a play through video or whatever you have planned next!! 😃
I was able to preorder through my local retailer but I’m wondering if it’ll be cancelled. The minis are honestly the least of my concerns but there are not even standees or tokens to replace the minis, absolutely ridiculous.
The two new room tiles seem a bit pointless to me. They could have easily used that space for four tokens in the correct size to represent the four different vampires. Then they just have to chuck in the set of three fell bats and up the price a bit.
Thanks. But hey, I cover loads of cool stuff that is available to buy right now! If you are specifically interested in Cursed City, unfortunately, the expansions are long out of print. However, I have noticed quite a few surfacing on eBay in the UK for around the £50 mark (I can't speak for other territories, though). That's a lot of money for what they are, but nowhere near as much as what they used to go for. Keep an eye on the secondary market and you may get lucky.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Oh I guess I misunderstood. I thought there was some statement that in addition to the listed required minis on the back of the box, if you have a start collecting box of something or other you could expand it even further.
@@goodjessehobbies The wording in their promotional material was bad. They said something like if you already have a soulblight army you can expand the games narrative or something like that, but they literally just meant those are the minis you need.
Not a chance. I could buy three or four new games I want for the price of those miniatures (and while I wouldn't buy from GW direct I do find it funny those miniatures are sold out on the GW store). I am considering buying the fell bats because they can be used in any Cursed City game, but the vampires normally only appear within their own mission types so you will only end up using them five or six times each during the new campaign. You can also happily play everything except decapitation missions without even adding the new vampires, the missions will just be a bit easier because the bosses won't randomly spawn. For Radukar the Beast you can just keep on using Radukar, you just have to remember he takes up four spaces on the board now.
Super video. Was lucky enough to get my copy delivered yesterday. At the beginning of the book there is the letter from Jelson to his benefactor which could lead to a possible expansion... Shame not even one mini included. I think they will reprint. They do some good value products like the LoTR boardgame in Balin's tomb.
I didn't enjoy the gameplay for Balin's Tomb, but I thought it was an excellent box of miniatures for the price. However, those miniatures are so old now, I guess they can afford to bundle them up cheap. I would very much like to see them make this right and ensure the fans get copies of Nightwars.
I thought I’d look at mini’s on GW web store while you were describing them. They make it really much harder than necessary. No simple way to get them all at once
i'll just stick to the base game. these expansions are a joke. I found out they were reprinting them and I was tempted to get them but luckily I forgot about it for a while and then they shut down the orders for the reprint. not only are these a rip off but they're also just an advertisement to sell you a bunch more stuff.
24:08 yep you hit the nail on the head here dude. Didn't want this, so have little to no interest to continue any story of CC. Especially if this will be their selling model going forward. Excellent review as always mate
Thanks for watching. If a new expansion does appear, I feel it would have to make a bit of a sharp turn and take the plot in a new direction. There's only so many skeletons you can fight, really.
Not a chance, unfortunately, The box is only 40mm deep, and all of the models for this expansion are either large or massive. Radukar the Beast is on a 60mm base and is standing on a massive scenic base.
Great video, thank you. I was one of those who had their order pulled by a third party... Out of interest, are you playing CC with a gaming group or running it solo? If so, how does it play solo?
I have played Cursed City as a group, but I mainly play it solo, which I really enjoy. You have to juggle the four characters, but it's not like they are very complicated, and you feel a bit like a general commanding a highly trained squad behind enemy lines. I have a few solo Curse City playthroughs on the channel.
Ha. That's a nice way of putting it. It does have some flourishes - the way the fell bats carry people away, and how the game turns into a base defence at certain points feel exciting and interesting - but then there are other areas where it feels so phoned in. Retreading the Deliverance missions being a good example.
It’s finally sold out here in the US; it was available for several days after pre-orders went up but it looks like supplies have been gone through. I did wind up ordering a copy (hasn’t arrived quite yet) and I don’t mind proxying all those new villains, so the price point was *okay* but of course compares poorly to things like Heroquest Frozen Horror and Blitz Bowl, etc. FOMO got me on this one; I don’t want to be trying to hunt down a copy at insanely inflated prices 18 months from now.
Yeah, it hung about in the US longer than anywhere else, where it pretty much sold out the first day. I wonder if the US price tag was part of the issue.
I think with a set like this,they should have at least included some cardboard pieces for those who can't afford the minis. Any box,regardless of minis or not,should have all you need to play the game. Even if it's cheap. But then,you can always sub stuff out. It's Halloween season right now. You can easily find bat and spider plastic crap you can use to make some minis for that. Maybe even some vampire,zombie,and skeleton minis on the cheap. There's lot of cheap ways to "make do".
One of the big issues with these expansions is that even without miniatures they had a premium price. It doesn't feel great to spend so much and still have to make do with cheap proxies.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring It's currently at 52 bucks on Amazon,so at that price,yes,it should have minis. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. But they should still have included something to play the game,even if it was a cheap stand in,is my point. There's really no excuse for that. If you don't get everything you need to play in the box,it's not a complete set by any measure. The rest is just work around suggestions for those who still want to play but can't afford the minis.
I got heroquest frozen horror instead, for just a little more money- and got a lot more content. And it was available also- that's a major advantage it had over this expansion.
Yeah. I've got Frozen Horror and it is quite funny to see the two different expansions side by side. Frozen Horror's RRP is only £8 more than Nightwars.
Yes! I’d love a video that spoils everything for me about this expansion. Fingers crossed the next one has minis (or standees) included and that there’s nothing in this box that’s required for the next expansion (eg escalaton being required for ascension)
I don't see anything in here that looks like it would be a requirement for the next expansion with the exception of the two room tiles, which you could probably work around.
Glad you got your copy, my preorder got cancelled 😞. Was ok with no minis in the box, but GW screwing up distribution for the expansion not ok at all. Sigh. Oh and nope not paying ebay scalpers a £100 markup…
The expansion isn't worth paying scalper prices for. It really isn't. Sorry to hear you were hit with a preorder cancellation. It really is ridiculous that has happened.
Excellent review, going into some interesting points. There's some interesting ideas here but i just feel there should have been a patch for the core game and content to enhance the base game rather than a second campaign. Played my first game tonight, it was a fun but some things werent right. Thankfully random spawn is an easy fix, but level O hunts ? Those things die after spawning , they never get a chance to roll for behaviour. Im wondering if folks should just skip level O or start with an experience point.
Thanks for the kind words. Did you ever watch my video on changing how enemies spawn? I don't normally play with house rules, but I found that changing the timing on new spawns (and making them random) significantly increases the difficulty, even at level 0, and makes the game much more challenging.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Thanks, need to watch that again. I did the random spawns from start though, feels like that how it should be played anyway . I had fun with the game but its obvious, theres a great game there , but it needed another pass on the design front. Nightwars is hitting £100 + on eBay, i think i will wait for the reprint :)
The expansion is never worth that. It's crazy. And yes, I have a huge amount of fun with Cursed City, but the rules should have been tightened up a little more.
@@RedeyeX23 I covered it in the video. You can add the encounter cards to your base game, along with the new discovery cards and empowerments, and you could let heroes level up so they are using the elite class traits if you wanted them to. You can also use the new lychgates to add random spawning to any missions you want (I always use random spawns). The rest of the new tokens, vampiric powers, and missions are for use specifically with the Nightwars campaign.
Apparently they smelled blood in the water anyway. The prices are obscene and GW really need to run a made to order to leave those scalpers holding worthless stock.
I'm not sure which of the D&D board games you mean, but Cursed City isn't really like any of them. There are some Cursed City playthroughs on my channel and a pretty in-depth review. If you check out a few minutes of some of that it should give you a good idea of what Cursed City is all about.
Ah, it's very different to those. There's almost no similarities at all except Cursed City and Ravenloft share a Gothic theme. They are both very fast to play, with pretty streamlined rules, though. I rate them both highly.
Since I already owned all but one of the miniatures required to play the expansion, I thought this would be an excellent purchase for me. However, with the actual product now in hand, it somehow doesn't seem quite worth even the discounted price I was able to get it for. I mean, when you think about it, the entire contents of the box, other than the rule book, fits in a rather small, sandwich-sized baggie. I actually checked the list of contents just to make sure I wasn't missing anything! I realize production and transportation costs have all gone up, but still it seems that they might have at least included cardboard stand-ins for the necessary miniatures for those people who don't have the plastic versions and might find the cost of purchasing them extremely prohibited. True, you can always substitute another miniature, but should you really be expected to? I love the story behind this game, and it has such great potential, but I do wish that Cursed City was maybe just a little bit less..."Cursed."
Yeah. I know why GW wouldn't include tokens on the punchboard for the enemies, but to me it would make sense. The people who love building and painting the miniatures would still go out and buy the miniatures anyway, while people who just want to play the game would be happy as well. I would argue it would increase sales overall, but then, they didn't need to. So, it was the right choice for them.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring this isn't so much an expansion as it is an advertisement that you have to pay $50 for. it's like paying $50 to watch a Coca-Cola commercial which tells you to go and buy $200 worth of Coca-Cola.
On the CC subreddit, somebody's commented it's getting re-printed. Their family member works for GW apparently... Lets hope that's the case, eh. None of the "required" minis are available on the GW website atm, either...
Unfortunately that's one of those things that won't be confirmed until it's almost ready to drop. I would think a made to order run would be the best way to handle it, but as long as it gets done, that's the important thing. I had noticed that on the UK Warhammer store all the vampires had sold out, which means this expansion has been a big success for GW. It did exactly what they wanted.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yeah, a made to order business model would be good for the CC community who missed out, and for future expansions. Also, the in-store terminals get preference for pre-orders according my local GW manager, so will get the next one from there too. I have a feeling the other expansions might do the same with the rest of the SBGL/Vamp hunters being separate purchases and maybe the Crimson Court & Hexbanes Hunters being included later on as they're etb minis as well. Personally, I'd like to have a coupla Stormcast characters/rules, like a small group of devout Sigmarites heard about Sigmar being shunned in Ulfenkarn and have took it on themselves to stop this nonsense. With extreme prejudice. Or Khorne cultists are on the rise like in the novel, after all, a LOT of blood has been shed during Radukars reign, why not do it for the Skull Throne.
They really need to start doing proper preorders, then they would know how many units to print. It's worth noting that all the stories I heard of people having preorders cancelled with GW were people who ordered through Warhammer stores rather than online, so it may be the case that the stores get priority, but if so, that really highlights how underproduced this expansion was. Of course, it might just be your local manager trying to improve sales figures in that branch!
I think it has some good stuff in there. I do have concerns about some of the ways things are handled in the rules, and of course, the distribution issues are horrible. I do like the fell beasts... bats... whatever.
I guess it really is a CURSED City,,, Picked mine up today. Will just keep it in the shrink for the foreseeable future. Havent even built all of CC yet... Too many Dungeon Crawls and too many models in line to paint. That being said, right now I am playing and painting Resident Evil 2 by Steamforged Games which I LOVE!!!
I've never tried their Resident Evil games, but they look really good. I obviously love Dark Souls from them, and I also enjoy Godtear and I recently picked up one of their Epic Encounter sets for D&D which I also think is decent.
Thanks for the info. It hasn't been available to preorder in New Zealand (or Australia) yet. The lack minis/ counters to proxy the minis is makes it hard to justify the purchase as I am unsure what the price will be. I am lucky enough to have a resin 3d printer to make my own proxies as needed. I will not reward GWs scummy practices by purchasing overpriced individual character minis, the irony being I'll probably still buy this damn box.
This looks fantastic very excited to start this and add everything to the core game. Does look as though its going to be tough though. Best pick my party members carefully
Sorry to hear that. A made to order run seems like a good idea, so I hope they will consider that. The fact scalpers on eBay are offering this for £120 is disgusting, and I would like to see GW do a made to order just so all those people are left holding stock they can't shift.
I agree with that. GW is a public Ltd company so hope that they will do what is right for their customers and not there shareholders. In doing a made to order run will most definitely show the sclapers that they won't be tolerated.
Glad you scored a copy. Replaying the battles over and over like that is a pretty poor way to implement a campaign. I'd rather just cut out the middle man and go play Bloodbourne instead.
I think you could safely cut down the campaign by playing a journey type until you get one success (rather than three) and then cutting straight to the Haven defence. That way you are only replaying missions if you fail them. It will still take you a minimum of 10 plays to get through the campaign, but every one of those 10 plays would be something different, and I think 10 games feels like a pretty decent length for a campaign anyway. Of course, then you would have even less incentive to buy those expensive miniatures... if you can even find them. They are all sold out at GW UK.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Are they really sold out? Man are people gullible anymore. I think that sounds like a better option for the campaign to keep it moving along. I just finished 18 games of a campaign even with things change up frequently, and it pushed even my gaming patience a fair bit.
Yeah. It's crazy, but the expansion did exactly what they wanted it to do, and shifted a whole bunch of vampires out of stock. I know you are no great fan of HeroQuest, but I always felt the expansions for that game got a decent balance when it came to campaign length. 10 new adventures seems like plenty before you want to start seeing something new again. I don't really see the point in grinding to three victory points in each mission type in Nightwars. You might as well just unlock a new elite trait each time you kill a vampire lord. That will keep everything chugging along nicely.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I can't imagine playing the hundredish games that Gloomhaven supposedly requires. Especially with no dice.... People on BGG keep moving their goal posts arguing about Heroscape. First it's that there's no exposure, then it's that Hasbro doesn't know how to run Haslab for a boardgame, then it's too high a price for non-fans to buy into (which is true), and now it's that Hasbro doesn't flog loads of games even though they do. Even the designer of Heroscape had a new Risk Legacy sequel come out 2 months back. The have a new Betrayal and a new werewolf expansion out now too. I don't know why I even bother talking to these people. At least they can all cry together for years when this doesn't fund.
Hasbro know exactly what they are doing with board games. They also know exactly how much money they need something to generate to move the needle enough for them to even bother making it. HeroScape is actually getting lots of exposure from places that might not cover the movements of smaller companies. I notice on the Discord they are pinning their hopes on Tom Vasel doing some coverage as he is a fan, and with his weight behind it they might start drawing some backers. As an aside, I have run three videos on HeroScape totaling almost 20 minutes of footage. If you add up all the views across those three videos it still comes to less views than I got for a four-minute videos about Mage of the Mirror for HeroQuest. Talking of Betrayal, I really need to pick one up. I was tempted by Baldur's Gate, but I think my love of horror is greater than my love of D&D, so I think I will end up with the third edition.
Game workshop make a bold move. Very interesting video. Love how you said "DuSang". It's French for "the Blood" and we don't make a sound with the G. Yeah French is ... french
It seems to have paid off for them. The expansion sold out, and in the UK atleast all the vampire miniatures sold out at GW too. I am sure they will look at this as a win.
Thanks! Balanced and insightful as always. I hope the "good people" at GW see the video and decide to do a reprint. I was lucky to get a copy, but taking a brief look at ebay convinces me that GW has to do something about the fact that some people are stocking up on their stuff to sell it at extreme prices. Too bad. Wish for x-mas: a reprint of this expansion with a bundle of minis for those who do not already have them and a full expansion - oh yes, and peace in the world, an end to the climate crisis and other likely scenarios :-)
Glad to hear you managed to get a copy at least. It really is a shame how they are handling Cursed City and I hope eventually there is a way everybody can get it without dealing with scalpers. A print on demand for this pack doesn't seem too out of the question.
Well done on getting a copy, did you go dorect or your usual local store? Such a shame they have messed this launch up after the original base game fiasco. They had covid etc as excuses then, now it just looks like poor business management. In usual GW tradition, the silence is deafening. If grey had any sense they would have put comms out straight away stating not to worry, we will do a print to order run also in the coming weeks. Hey ho. Just hope this isn't the sign of things to come for GW and their non core product launches
I ordered from Element Games, the company I run affiliate links for on my videos. I ordered dead on 10am, which is a habit I got into when I was buying a lot of GW stuff that used to sell out quickly.
I kind of get the feeling that GW was not confident in this release. The really low stock indicates this, as it sold out so quickly even without miniatures in it, let alone ones unique to the set. It's really just an expansion. If you don't play Cursed City this is worthless to you. Them re-using existing models in this way too comes off as something they threw together for a release, rather than being planned this way. It's really a shame, I had so much hope for a return to Warhammer Quest in a fantasy setting after all the love Blackstone Fortress got. The ascetic is so good too, and it had so much hype at launch.
It was definitely well under-produced for demand, which is a strong indication they weren't sure about it. And yeah, I agree it feels like a patch, put together when they realised they would do a reprint. I don't know why this game doesn't get the same kind of care that Blackstone did.
You know, I'm almost relieved that this expansion didn't come with the models. My painting backlog is too big and I would have needlessly purchased another expansion for a game I have no one to play with lol. My kids won't be old enough to even play Heroquest for a few more years, what am I going to do with more Cursed City?
I can't wait to play this! The new number lynchgates will just go straight into the rest of my core campaign. Think nightwars needs a few homebrew rules. I'll probably change the starving vermin to have a defence roll. Either for each point of damage or just 1 for the 2 points of damage. I think I'm gonna change the cloying mist from change crit to success, and success to failures, to minus 2 on all heroes activation dice, think changes should still make it a challenge without it being too brutal. I also might have radukar the beast treat hostiles as heroes, like Ambull in BSF, he is a beast that wouldn't care who's in the way. It's a bit crappie having to change things slightly, again, but whatever, I can't wait to play. Great review as always mate, been waiting for your review 👍 👌 👏
Thanks. You could definitely let Radukar rampage. There are a few reasons why he wouldn't do that, one being he actually travels around with a group of vampires that are his bodyguards, but it would certainly change the dynamic of the game when he shows up.
I was really surprised that big Warhammer stores didn't receive any copies, like Metro Center in Gateshead and apparently even Warhammer World, this has just been a complete shambles from the start
It is a complete shambles. When they can't even put the correct product images on their own webstore you have to start thinking something is amiss at GW.
It's a shame the rules didn't continue the trend of showing clear separate images for every miniature. This time they grouped the bats together with the images overlapping, and Kritza was shot at a funny angle. Makes it a bit tougher to make good standees using them.
It was pure luck I got my copy after goblin gaming's botch up, 4 days after the pre orders went out I got a copy from zatu games for £18 plus 3 postage
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yet something tells me that final challenge is exactly what anybody would expect it to be - a final boss fight with the Beast.
Still haven't opened my copy of cursed city, but got it for 50% off. Got the expansion bc figured it would go the way of the Dodo like everything for Blackstone Fortress. Really disappointing there isn't minis included. Not buying any of the minis they "suggest", will 3d print proxies for all of them for free.
FFS GW! This game is Cursed. I boycotted them after the original fiasco but recently broke down and got a copy of the core box only form GW to do it all again with this expansion.
It's almost like they are trolling. As they were only making 10 copies of the expansion, I guess they didn't think it was worth the effort translating it.
You're right they are trolling and I got the message. They truly don't care about their customers or making a good product... they betrayed me one to many times
Why would GW give away some cardboard standee proxies when you need to buy the dlc to play the dlc. Seems like GWs best advertisement to self print yourself proxies yet. The only way this expansion would have been worth it to me is if they packaged it with the Densts' as 2 heroes, or had 2 unique hero models.
Yeah, including standee as alternatives to miniatures isn't something they have done since the 4th edition boxed set of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. They really want to shift those extra units of vampires.
So... GW wants my money to go to FFG or Battlefront? Thats make my decisions a lot easier... And... There are many fan created content and 3d printing... I have limited time, and i'm to old for something like this GW...
GW certainly seem to be floundering at the moment. Lots of stilly mistakes and annoying issues creeping in. Hopefully they can address that. I liked it more when I was always excited to see what they would next.
I'm sorry but GW fans are an entitled bunch. Those of you who been around since the 90's...this is how it's always been. Things sell out. Way it is. As for no minitures... Do your codexes come with minis? Do you complain? Why not...cost same price.... This expansion is like a codex in the form of cards, rules, and tiles. You bought 50 bucks of rules to enhance your game. Like we been doing with Warhammer for a couple decades.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I'm happy how YOU run things lol. I'm NOT happy with GW at all, but use to paying 50 bucks for rules lol. We use their products...so we gotta play the game, right? 🤜🤛 politics aside....LOVE LOVE your videos. Very well done.
Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate the support. I'm definitely stuck with dealing with GW when it comes to Warhammer Quest, because I think it's an excellent series of games.
Very hard pass for me. The box is (was?) a terrible deal anyway and the campaign structure seems to be basically the same as the core box: repeat the same missions over and over until you kill all the baddies. Boring as hell, sadly. The expansion seems like an afterthought, made from content that didn't fit in the core box, with rules made with the only goal to artifically prolong the gameplay (you'll have to repeat many Purge missions and some Sabotage missions will last a looot due to Attacks missing more) on top of that the haven phase basically looks like a Copy/Paste from Blackstone... Cursed City was my biggest disappointment the year It came out, this expansion just confirmed the feeling...
I don't think it's content that was left out of the core box as such, because it seems to be directly addressing some of the complaints about the core box. It is introducing the random spawn points idea, it has ramped up the difficulty, and it has done away with the concept of balancing different statuses within the city, which was something that felt like it prolonged a campaign artificially. When they announced this expansion I called it a content patch, and having dived into the box in detail I still feel that way. It feels like something that was put together to give the impression of support for the game, either to bolster sales of the reprint, or to keep things ticking over into a full expansion comes out next year. Some of it feels like it was going to be content for White Dwarf, and some of it feels like it exists just to hinge it all together.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring yeah, probably you're right: White Dwarf material is more likely, still to me It looks like something that was put together in a very short time with a very limited print run. The sad thing is that I have all the Quest games but CC was such a disappointment (not only the game, but the whole situation around It) that I think I'll never buy a Quest again...
I definitely agree it feels like it was put together quickly. It's more like a response, rather than a natural progression of the game system. It is sad you feel you might be done with Quest, because it's such a great series. I love all of the games, and I really thought Cursed City would end up being better than Blackstone once it had some more expansions out. If this is the best they can do, Blackstone doesn't have to worry about giving up its throne just yet.
I passed on the expansion.. I am so close to be suckered... if they'd just put tokens for the 4 bosses, may be ... nah. I have a pretty negative sentiment growing towards GW 'games' ... they really need to clean up that side of their business
While I could stretch my hobby budget to buy the miniatures, I don't intend to. I am thinking of picking up the fell bats, just because they are something you can use all the time. However, the vampire lords only appear in a limited fashion. They are too powerful to drop into the core game, and within the Nightwars campaign they turn up mainly in their own designated journeys. I don't really fancy spending over £20 each on miniatures that I may only use five or six times. I will probably just use Radukar as Radukar the Beast, and then find suitable miniatures to represent the vampire lords. A lot of people are considering the Crimson Court. Fun fact: In the UK, GW's webstore has sold out of all four vampire models requires for this expansion. Couldn't make it up.
I think they missed an opportunity to add more and different enemies (with the possibility to also encounter them or most of them already in the main game). I also prefer the dungeon crawler feel of drawing cards and placing tiles much more, than the pre build maps. It would have been cool to have this kind of feature more included in the expansion and maybe make some real “hunt” missions, where you try to get to a certain named minion and slay it. I already bought it anyway (but haven’t received my copy yet…) but I think I will use many house rules / additions to the game, to tweak it more to my liking. I especially miss that in the 1995 WHQ every mission had some kind of story / objective, while here you just go on many grind missions to balance fear/influence/doom. I think it wouldn’t had been difficult, to add some small story / flavour text to every mission and make it feel less grindy. I still adore the style, setting and gameplay but I feel like this game could have been so much more…
Cursed City definitely isn't living up to its potential. I would definitely love more varied enemies, but I suspect they don't want to do that because it will weaken all the enemies that key off of supporting types. For example, Halgrim is going to be far less threatening when there is significantly less Ulfenwatch spawning. But then again, it would be very easy to create tailored encounter decks to add more theme to locations around the city and ensure the synergies between the enemy types, so it's not difficult to do, really. Shadows Over Hammerhal did an excellent job being narrative driven, and some of the best Blackstone Fortress missions were the ones that had a strong plot, like the ambull mission from the annual. I would love to see more of that type of stuff in modern Quest.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Ah thx for pointing out Hammerhal. I might give that a try then. I love Warhammer Quest but really need a little story when I send my boys/girls out on a mission risking their lives and not just, try to lower fear/influence 3x. I still adore the setting though.
I was lucky, I went to order from elemental games and didn't go through with it, somehow I saved my basket and a few days ago was emailed saying I had left something in my basket and did I want to proceed, I did and it got despatched today. Just got to owly get some minis for when we get around to playing it
Please note, since making this video the expansion has come back into stock on the Games Workshop web store. Please do not buy from scalpers.
It's sold out again... So back to waiting on if it will ever come back, which is not great with the lack of communication from GW
@@Dumbmaster1 It's utterly frustrating.
Gw ‘We made the mistake of making the core game limited run, we learned that was a mistake and fixed that. Anyway here’s an expansion and it’s also limited run’
Classic GW.
If we look at Black Stone, the run of the expansions were one and done. But I don't think they sold out day one.
The Blackstone card only packs run out fast and No Respite seemed to disappear quickly, but the rest were available for a while. Nothing like the 10 minutes and gone for Cursed City and Nightwars.
GW very rarely do reprints of anything like this, so I wouldn't hold my breath, unfortunately. However, I live in hope that they will eventually do right by Cursed City. And yes, I spent a lot of time back in the day helping people find expansions for Blackstone and running videos on what was still available and what I thought people should move on while they could. Nothing disappeared with the speed that Nightwars did.
Limits are stupid in my opinion
Im beginning to believe that the 'Cursed' in Cursed City doesn't just apply to Ulfenkharn
Ulfenkarn has the curse of endless night. Unfortunately GW don't have the curse of endless stock.
Kev , you never fail to keep my interest in Cursed city mate. Brilliant video as always - really want to see you tackle some of these missions.
Thanks, that’s really kind of you. I’m so reluctant to cover Cursed City when it’s hard to get the products. My videos just seem to annoy the people who missed out. I really appreciate the kind words.
I just received my copy. I decided to get the direchasm vampires to proxy for the vampire lords, so I think that will do. Thanks for your video, you do a great job as always. :)
Thanks for the kind words. Loads of people have said about getting the Crimson Court. It's a really good option. If GW had any sense, they would have built the expansion around those vampires and included the Crimson Court in the box.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Exactly instead of 90 euros for the 3 vampires, I would have to pay 25-30 Euros for 4 vampires an have no issue at all with them not adding the miniatures.
As a long time Cursed City player, this is a fantastic review!
Thanks. I love Cursed City, but I think I love it more than GW ever did.
Really enjoy your channel bro. Just been so busy lately don’t get to watch as much. But keep it up
Thank you.
It's ever increasing, the pleasure of missing out on this the first time round.
I got super excited when they first announced this game, but instead of it becoming a continuing series on my channel. It became the start of my slow distrust and deviation away from GW releases.
In fact lately I've spent more on SW Legion and Digimon tcg than Warhammer and soon I'll be adding the new TT:120 range from Hornby to the things I'll be buying over GW products.
IF they up their game with the next expansion, maybe tying it in with the Flesheater Courts update, maybe it might be enough for me to buy in, but the way they're going currently? My future with them isn't looking good.
I soldier on with Warhammer Quest, because I do love the games so much. But really, it would take something pretty impressive from GW to make me go in on another game. The only exceptions to that would be the bookshelf games, which is irrelevant when they don't make it to the UK anyway!
The bad release last year started my long lost love in dungeon crawlers...now I am 3000€ deep into kickstarters and other boarddgames from my local FGS....ah, there are none of GW games in the middle of them. I don´t even buy new Eldar models for painting... GW´s intransparent politics paired with zero communication and anti-customer behaviour is not bearable...
There are definitely fantastic companies out there with excellent games on shelves right now that deserve all the love and support. But for me, trading GW to (most) Kickstarters is a sideways move, not an improvement.
Great video. I’ve bought it but am saving as a Christmas present for my sons who played the core game with me. I agree that if they had included the bats, that would have sweetened rather than soured the whole ‘no minis’ issue. I would love to see a play through video or whatever you have planned next!! 😃
Thanks. I might do a gameplay video for the expansion, but I have a backlog of playthroughs I need to get through at the moment!
I was able to preorder through my local retailer but I’m wondering if it’ll be cancelled. The minis are honestly the least of my concerns but there are not even standees or tokens to replace the minis, absolutely ridiculous.
The two new room tiles seem a bit pointless to me. They could have easily used that space for four tokens in the correct size to represent the four different vampires. Then they just have to chuck in the set of three fell bats and up the price a bit.
Love your videos. Wish they were on games I could actually buy.
Thanks. But hey, I cover loads of cool stuff that is available to buy right now! If you are specifically interested in Cursed City, unfortunately, the expansions are long out of print. However, I have noticed quite a few surfacing on eBay in the UK for around the £50 mark (I can't speak for other territories, though). That's a lot of money for what they are, but nowhere near as much as what they used to go for. Keep an eye on the secondary market and you may get lucky.
Wow. GW is really trying to live up to that "cursed" part of the title with pretty much every release of this iteration of WQ.
What was the bit about expanding this with a Soulblight Gravelords army? I seem to have missed it.
Every miniature you need for this expansion (and Night Wars) is from the Soulblight Gravelords army.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Oh I guess I misunderstood. I thought there was some statement that in addition to the listed required minis on the back of the box, if you have a start collecting box of something or other you could expand it even further.
@@goodjessehobbies The wording in their promotional material was bad. They said something like if you already have a soulblight army you can expand the games narrative or something like that, but they literally just meant those are the minis you need.
I don't know which vampire to start with so I'm rolling a d6 to figure out what I'm starting with
Seems like as good a method as any without knowing what the advanced vampiric powers are.
Nightwars is back in stock on GW US we store. Looks like they are going to keep producing as demand calls for.
Yes, I put a pinned comment earlier today to let people know that GW has it back in stock.
Have you bought the models needed or are you going to proxy?
Not a chance. I could buy three or four new games I want for the price of those miniatures (and while I wouldn't buy from GW direct I do find it funny those miniatures are sold out on the GW store). I am considering buying the fell bats because they can be used in any Cursed City game, but the vampires normally only appear within their own mission types so you will only end up using them five or six times each during the new campaign. You can also happily play everything except decapitation missions without even adding the new vampires, the missions will just be a bit easier because the bosses won't randomly spawn. For Radukar the Beast you can just keep on using Radukar, you just have to remember he takes up four spaces on the board now.
Super video. Was lucky enough to get my copy delivered yesterday. At the beginning of the book there is the letter from Jelson to his benefactor which could lead to a possible expansion... Shame not even one mini included. I think they will reprint. They do some good value products like the LoTR boardgame in Balin's tomb.
I didn't enjoy the gameplay for Balin's Tomb, but I thought it was an excellent box of miniatures for the price. However, those miniatures are so old now, I guess they can afford to bundle them up cheap.
I would very much like to see them make this right and ensure the fans get copies of Nightwars.
I thought I’d look at mini’s on GW web store while you were describing them. They make it really much harder than necessary. No simple way to get them all at once
All the miniatures for this expansion sold out on the UK GW store. Which is pretty funny.
Aim for proxies rather than buying the miniatures they’ve pictured. The Crimson Court is a good way to score a bunch of vampires.
@@martinkitt2947 the Crimson court is an excellent idea. Any other suggestions.
i'll just stick to the base game. these expansions are a joke. I found out they were reprinting them and I was tempted to get them but luckily I forgot about it for a while and then they shut down the orders for the reprint.
not only are these a rip off but they're also just an advertisement to sell you a bunch more stuff.
@@djangofett4879 lol. Yep. The GW business model is almost like a cult.
24:08 yep you hit the nail on the head here dude. Didn't want this, so have little to no interest to continue any story of CC. Especially if this will be their selling model going forward.
Excellent review as always mate
Thanks for watching. If a new expansion does appear, I feel it would have to make a bit of a sharp turn and take the plot in a new direction. There's only so many skeletons you can fight, really.
Nice video, do you think the box is bigger enough for a foam inserts for the models???
Not a chance, unfortunately, The box is only 40mm deep, and all of the models for this expansion are either large or massive. Radukar the Beast is on a 60mm base and is standing on a massive scenic base.
Great video, thank you. I was one of those who had their order pulled by a third party...
Out of interest, are you playing CC with a gaming group or running it solo? If so, how does it play solo?
I have played Cursed City as a group, but I mainly play it solo, which I really enjoy. You have to juggle the four characters, but it's not like they are very complicated, and you feel a bit like a general commanding a highly trained squad behind enemy lines. I have a few solo Curse City playthroughs on the channel.
Feels like a real “will this do?” from GW from a content and presentation perspective.
Ha. That's a nice way of putting it. It does have some flourishes - the way the fell bats carry people away, and how the game turns into a base defence at certain points feel exciting and interesting - but then there are other areas where it feels so phoned in. Retreading the Deliverance missions being a good example.
it feels like they took a White Dwarf pack-in bonus and decided to release it separately in a box for $50.
It’s finally sold out here in the US; it was available for several days after pre-orders went up but it looks like supplies have been gone through. I did wind up ordering a copy (hasn’t arrived quite yet) and I don’t mind proxying all those new villains, so the price point was *okay* but of course compares poorly to things like Heroquest Frozen Horror and Blitz Bowl, etc. FOMO got me on this one; I don’t want to be trying to hunt down a copy at insanely inflated prices 18 months from now.
Yeah, it hung about in the US longer than anywhere else, where it pretty much sold out the first day. I wonder if the US price tag was part of the issue.
I think with a set like this,they should have at least included some cardboard pieces for those who can't afford the minis. Any box,regardless of minis or not,should have all you need to play the game. Even if it's cheap. But then,you can always sub stuff out. It's Halloween season right now. You can easily find bat and spider plastic crap you can use to make some minis for that. Maybe even some vampire,zombie,and skeleton minis on the cheap. There's lot of cheap ways to "make do".
One of the big issues with these expansions is that even without miniatures they had a premium price. It doesn't feel great to spend so much and still have to make do with cheap proxies.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring It's currently at 52 bucks on Amazon,so at that price,yes,it should have minis. I'm not disagreeing with you on that. But they should still have included something to play the game,even if it was a cheap stand in,is my point. There's really no excuse for that. If you don't get everything you need to play in the box,it's not a complete set by any measure.
The rest is just work around suggestions for those who still want to play but can't afford the minis.
I got heroquest frozen horror instead, for just a little more money- and got a lot more content. And it was available also- that's a major advantage it had over this expansion.
Yeah. I've got Frozen Horror and it is quite funny to see the two different expansions side by side. Frozen Horror's RRP is only £8 more than Nightwars.
GW need to take advise from Avalon Hill... Heroquest expansions come with everything including miniatures!
The HeroQuest expansions are incredible value. The RRP for Nightwars is £30. The RRP for Frozen Horror is £38.
Yes! I’d love a video that spoils everything for me about this expansion. Fingers crossed the next one has minis (or standees) included and that there’s nothing in this box that’s required for the next expansion (eg escalaton being required for ascension)
I don't see anything in here that looks like it would be a requirement for the next expansion with the exception of the two room tiles, which you could probably work around.
Glad you got your copy, my preorder got cancelled 😞. Was ok with no minis in the box, but GW screwing up distribution for the expansion not ok at all. Sigh. Oh and nope not paying ebay scalpers a £100 markup…
The expansion isn't worth paying scalper prices for. It really isn't. Sorry to hear you were hit with a preorder cancellation. It really is ridiculous that has happened.
Excellent review, going into some interesting points. There's some interesting ideas here but i just feel there should have been a patch for the core game and content to enhance the base game rather than a second campaign. Played my first game tonight, it was a fun but some things werent right. Thankfully random spawn is an easy fix, but level O hunts ? Those things die after spawning , they never get a chance to roll for behaviour. Im wondering if folks should just skip level O or start with an experience point.
Thanks for the kind words. Did you ever watch my video on changing how enemies spawn? I don't normally play with house rules, but I found that changing the timing on new spawns (and making them random) significantly increases the difficulty, even at level 0, and makes the game much more challenging.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Thanks, need to watch that again. I did the random spawns from start though, feels like that how it should be played anyway . I had fun with the game but its obvious, theres a great game there , but it needed another pass on the design front. Nightwars is hitting £100 + on eBay, i think i will wait for the reprint :)
The expansion is never worth that. It's crazy. And yes, I have a huge amount of fun with Cursed City, but the rules should have been tightened up a little more.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring just wondering how much of this content can be played with the core game and does that include the fell bats, thanks
@@RedeyeX23 I covered it in the video. You can add the encounter cards to your base game, along with the new discovery cards and empowerments, and you could let heroes level up so they are using the elite class traits if you wanted them to. You can also use the new lychgates to add random spawning to any missions you want (I always use random spawns). The rest of the new tokens, vampiric powers, and missions are for use specifically with the Nightwars campaign.
A year yeah the Miniatures aren't cheap but definitely better than blackstone fortress with scalping
And there was me thinking not having minis would stop the scalpers. Oh well.
Apparently they smelled blood in the water anyway. The prices are obscene and GW really need to run a made to order to leave those scalpers holding worthless stock.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Made to order may also be simpler for GW to do without minis involed. Anyway, always enjoy your content.
Looks like nightwars is back up for sale on the GW website 👍👍
Absolute shambles, isn't it? They could have let people know there would be more coming. I hope nobody was tempted to buy from scalpers.
Seen some on ebay for £150- £1000 😂😂😂 shocking 😳
What are differences between that board game and the d&d board game?? Thanks
I'm not sure which of the D&D board games you mean, but Cursed City isn't really like any of them. There are some Cursed City playthroughs on my channel and a pretty in-depth review. If you check out a few minutes of some of that it should give you a good idea of what Cursed City is all about.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring i mean castle of ravenloft, temple of elemental evil , for example, anyway thanks
Ah, it's very different to those. There's almost no similarities at all except Cursed City and Ravenloft share a Gothic theme. They are both very fast to play, with pretty streamlined rules, though. I rate them both highly.
Since I already owned all but one of the miniatures required to play the expansion, I thought this would be an excellent purchase for me. However, with the actual product now in hand, it somehow doesn't seem quite worth even the discounted price I was able to get it for. I mean, when you think about it, the entire contents of the box, other than the rule book, fits in a rather small, sandwich-sized baggie. I actually checked the list of contents just to make sure I wasn't missing anything! I realize production and transportation costs have all gone up, but still it seems that they might have at least included cardboard stand-ins for the necessary miniatures for those people who don't have the plastic versions and might find the cost of purchasing them extremely prohibited. True, you can always substitute another miniature, but should you really be expected to? I love the story behind this game, and it has such great potential, but I do wish that Cursed City was maybe just a little bit less..."Cursed."
Yeah. I know why GW wouldn't include tokens on the punchboard for the enemies, but to me it would make sense. The people who love building and painting the miniatures would still go out and buy the miniatures anyway, while people who just want to play the game would be happy as well. I would argue it would increase sales overall, but then, they didn't need to. So, it was the right choice for them.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring this isn't so much an expansion as it is an advertisement that you have to pay $50 for. it's like paying $50 to watch a Coca-Cola commercial which tells you to go and buy $200 worth of Coca-Cola.
On the CC subreddit, somebody's commented it's getting re-printed. Their family member works for GW apparently... Lets hope that's the case, eh.
None of the "required" minis are available on the GW website atm, either...
Unfortunately that's one of those things that won't be confirmed until it's almost ready to drop. I would think a made to order run would be the best way to handle it, but as long as it gets done, that's the important thing. I had noticed that on the UK Warhammer store all the vampires had sold out, which means this expansion has been a big success for GW. It did exactly what they wanted.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yeah, a made to order business model would be good for the CC community who missed out, and for future expansions. Also, the in-store terminals get preference for pre-orders according my local GW manager, so will get the next one from there too. I have a feeling the other expansions might do the same with the rest of the SBGL/Vamp hunters being separate purchases and maybe the Crimson Court & Hexbanes Hunters being included later on as they're etb minis as well.
Personally, I'd like to have a coupla Stormcast characters/rules, like a small group of devout Sigmarites heard about Sigmar being shunned in Ulfenkarn and have took it on themselves to stop this nonsense. With extreme prejudice.
Or Khorne cultists are on the rise like in the novel, after all, a LOT of blood has been shed during Radukars reign, why not do it for the Skull Throne.
They really need to start doing proper preorders, then they would know how many units to print. It's worth noting that all the stories I heard of people having preorders cancelled with GW were people who ordered through Warhammer stores rather than online, so it may be the case that the stores get priority, but if so, that really highlights how underproduced this expansion was. Of course, it might just be your local manager trying to improve sales figures in that branch!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Hahah, yeah maybe. It came back in stock online yesterday, so maybe they've took some customer feedback onboard..?
@@monkeybrain9859 Not to worry. It sold out again in the UK and EU today. GW can't even cock up stock shortages correctly.
Maybe just as well I couldn’t get a copy, despite trying….shame really, I really like the game, great video, thanks
I think it has some good stuff in there. I do have concerns about some of the ways things are handled in the rules, and of course, the distribution issues are horrible. I do like the fell beasts... bats... whatever.
I guess it really is a CURSED City,,,
Picked mine up today. Will just keep it in the shrink for the foreseeable future. Havent even built all of CC yet... Too many Dungeon Crawls and too many models in line to paint.
That being said, right now I am playing and painting Resident Evil 2 by Steamforged Games which I LOVE!!!
I've never tried their Resident Evil games, but they look really good. I obviously love Dark Souls from them, and I also enjoy Godtear and I recently picked up one of their Epic Encounter sets for D&D which I also think is decent.
Thanks for the info. It hasn't been available to preorder in New Zealand (or Australia) yet. The lack minis/ counters to proxy the minis is makes it hard to justify the purchase as I am unsure what the price will be. I am lucky enough to have a resin 3d printer to make my own proxies as needed. I will not reward GWs scummy practices by purchasing overpriced individual character minis, the irony being I'll probably still buy this damn box.
I already feel for your wallet. GW prices in New Zealand are always absurd.
This looks fantastic very excited to start this and add everything to the core game. Does look as though its going to be tough though. Best pick my party members carefully
There is a big jump in the difficulty.
Great video my preorder never arrived so here's hoping that they do a reprint or a maid to order
Sorry to hear that. A made to order run seems like a good idea, so I hope they will consider that. The fact scalpers on eBay are offering this for £120 is disgusting, and I would like to see GW do a made to order just so all those people are left holding stock they can't shift.
I agree with that. GW is a public Ltd company so hope that they will do what is right for their customers and not there shareholders. In doing a made to order run will most definitely show the sclapers that they won't be tolerated.
Nightwars back in stock GW website
Great video - very informative. I'm definitely passing on this expansion... unless if by any chance I find it on discount in the future.
Thanks. I'm glad you found the video helpful.
Glad you scored a copy. Replaying the battles over and over like that is a pretty poor way to implement a campaign. I'd rather just cut out the middle man and go play Bloodbourne instead.
I think you could safely cut down the campaign by playing a journey type until you get one success (rather than three) and then cutting straight to the Haven defence. That way you are only replaying missions if you fail them. It will still take you a minimum of 10 plays to get through the campaign, but every one of those 10 plays would be something different, and I think 10 games feels like a pretty decent length for a campaign anyway. Of course, then you would have even less incentive to buy those expensive miniatures... if you can even find them. They are all sold out at GW UK.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Are they really sold out? Man are people gullible anymore.
I think that sounds like a better option for the campaign to keep it moving along. I just finished 18 games of a campaign even with things change up frequently, and it pushed even my gaming patience a fair bit.
Yeah. It's crazy, but the expansion did exactly what they wanted it to do, and shifted a whole bunch of vampires out of stock.
I know you are no great fan of HeroQuest, but I always felt the expansions for that game got a decent balance when it came to campaign length. 10 new adventures seems like plenty before you want to start seeing something new again. I don't really see the point in grinding to three victory points in each mission type in Nightwars. You might as well just unlock a new elite trait each time you kill a vampire lord. That will keep everything chugging along nicely.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I can't imagine playing the hundredish games that Gloomhaven supposedly requires. Especially with no dice....
People on BGG keep moving their goal posts arguing about Heroscape. First it's that there's no exposure, then it's that Hasbro doesn't know how to run Haslab for a boardgame, then it's too high a price for non-fans to buy into (which is true), and now it's that Hasbro doesn't flog loads of games even though they do. Even the designer of Heroscape had a new Risk Legacy sequel come out 2 months back. The have a new Betrayal and a new werewolf expansion out now too.
I don't know why I even bother talking to these people. At least they can all cry together for years when this doesn't fund.
Hasbro know exactly what they are doing with board games. They also know exactly how much money they need something to generate to move the needle enough for them to even bother making it. HeroScape is actually getting lots of exposure from places that might not cover the movements of smaller companies. I notice on the Discord they are pinning their hopes on Tom Vasel doing some coverage as he is a fan, and with his weight behind it they might start drawing some backers.
As an aside, I have run three videos on HeroScape totaling almost 20 minutes of footage. If you add up all the views across those three videos it still comes to less views than I got for a four-minute videos about Mage of the Mirror for HeroQuest.
Talking of Betrayal, I really need to pick one up. I was tempted by Baldur's Gate, but I think my love of horror is greater than my love of D&D, so I think I will end up with the third edition.
I actually tried to order it, however I apparently waited too long to do so. The moment the 35th anniversary kicked off, GW pulled it from the website
It sold out so quickly. It's very disappointing.
Game workshop make a bold move.
Very interesting video.
Love how you said "DuSang".
It's French for "the Blood" and we don't make a sound with the G. Yeah French is ... french
It seems to have paid off for them. The expansion sold out, and in the UK atleast all the vampire miniatures sold out at GW too. I am sure they will look at this as a win.
Good review as always.
Personally I think one is better off looking at the fan expansions instead, such as Exile of Ulfenkarn.
Thanks.
Thanks! Balanced and insightful as always. I hope the "good people" at GW see the video and decide to do a reprint. I was lucky to get a copy, but taking a brief look at ebay convinces me that GW has to do something about the fact that some people are stocking up on their stuff to sell it at extreme prices. Too bad. Wish for x-mas: a reprint of this expansion with a bundle of minis for those who do not already have them and a full expansion - oh yes, and peace in the world, an end to the climate crisis and other likely scenarios :-)
Glad to hear you managed to get a copy at least. It really is a shame how they are handling Cursed City and I hope eventually there is a way everybody can get it without dealing with scalpers. A print on demand for this pack doesn't seem too out of the question.
Well done on getting a copy, did you go dorect or your usual local store? Such a shame they have messed this launch up after the original base game fiasco. They had covid etc as excuses then, now it just looks like poor business management. In usual GW tradition, the silence is deafening. If grey had any sense they would have put comms out straight away stating not to worry, we will do a print to order run also in the coming weeks.
Hey ho. Just hope this isn't the sign of things to come for GW and their non core product launches
I ordered from Element Games, the company I run affiliate links for on my videos. I ordered dead on 10am, which is a habit I got into when I was buying a lot of GW stuff that used to sell out quickly.
I kind of get the feeling that GW was not confident in this release. The really low stock indicates this, as it sold out so quickly even without miniatures in it, let alone ones unique to the set. It's really just an expansion. If you don't play Cursed City this is worthless to you. Them re-using existing models in this way too comes off as something they threw together for a release, rather than being planned this way. It's really a shame, I had so much hope for a return to Warhammer Quest in a fantasy setting after all the love Blackstone Fortress got. The ascetic is so good too, and it had so much hype at launch.
It was definitely well under-produced for demand, which is a strong indication they weren't sure about it. And yeah, I agree it feels like a patch, put together when they realised they would do a reprint. I don't know why this game doesn't get the same kind of care that Blackstone did.
You know, I'm almost relieved that this expansion didn't come with the models. My painting backlog is too big and I would have needlessly purchased another expansion for a game I have no one to play with lol. My kids won't be old enough to even play Heroquest for a few more years, what am I going to do with more Cursed City?
At least Cursed City is a pretty excellent solo game. I mainly play it solo, actually.
I can't wait to play this! The new number lynchgates will just go straight into the rest of my core campaign. Think nightwars needs a few homebrew rules. I'll probably change the starving vermin to have a defence roll. Either for each point of damage or just 1 for the 2 points of damage. I think I'm gonna change the cloying mist from change crit to success, and success to failures, to minus 2 on all heroes activation dice, think changes should still make it a challenge without it being too brutal. I also might have radukar the beast treat hostiles as heroes, like Ambull in BSF, he is a beast that wouldn't care who's in the way. It's a bit crappie having to change things slightly, again, but whatever, I can't wait to play. Great review as always mate, been waiting for your review 👍 👌 👏
Thanks. You could definitely let Radukar rampage. There are a few reasons why he wouldn't do that, one being he actually travels around with a group of vampires that are his bodyguards, but it would certainly change the dynamic of the game when he shows up.
I was really surprised that big Warhammer stores didn't receive any copies, like Metro Center in Gateshead and apparently even Warhammer World, this has just been a complete shambles from the start
It is a complete shambles. When they can't even put the correct product images on their own webstore you have to start thinking something is amiss at GW.
I am kind of happy with no minis, my copy of Cursed City has standees, and I happy to continue that route.
It's a shame the rules didn't continue the trend of showing clear separate images for every miniature. This time they grouped the bats together with the images overlapping, and Kritza was shot at a funny angle. Makes it a bit tougher to make good standees using them.
It was pure luck I got my copy after goblin gaming's botch up, 4 days after the pre orders went out I got a copy from zatu games for £18 plus 3 postage
Glad to hear it worked out for you. Good price too.
It seems that GW don't want this game to succeed? Very poor performance from a company that has so much experience but learns so little.
GW don't like to sit on stock ever. They probably consider this a win, rather than a fail. Depressingly.
Really? You've shown Radukar the Beast, but you wouldn't say anything about that "mysterious" one final challenge? XD
Radukar the Beast is introduced right at the start of this expansion. He turns up randomly all the time.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yet something tells me that final challenge is exactly what anybody would expect it to be - a final boss fight with the Beast.
I think you might be surprised.
Still haven't opened my copy of cursed city, but got it for 50% off. Got the expansion bc figured it would go the way of the Dodo like everything for Blackstone Fortress. Really disappointing there isn't minis included. Not buying any of the minis they "suggest", will 3d print proxies for all of them for free.
I think a lot of people will be using proxies for this expansion.
FFS GW! This game is Cursed. I boycotted them after the original fiasco but recently broke down and got a copy of the core box only form GW to do it all again with this expansion.
It's truly miserable to see the same thing happening with the expansion that happened with the core game.
The best part of the expansion probably is the numbered tokens
For random spawns? Yes. They're quite helpful as I've always played with random spawns.
"Carmilla DuSang" a character with a name in french for a game expansion with no edition in French... when the original game had one !
It's almost like they are trolling. As they were only making 10 copies of the expansion, I guess they didn't think it was worth the effort translating it.
You're right they are trolling and I got the message. They truly don't care about their customers or making a good product... they betrayed me one to many times
Why would GW give away some cardboard standee proxies when you need to buy the dlc to play the dlc. Seems like GWs best advertisement to self print yourself proxies yet. The only way this expansion would have been worth it to me is if they packaged it with the Densts' as 2 heroes, or had 2 unique hero models.
Yeah, including standee as alternatives to miniatures isn't something they have done since the 4th edition boxed set of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. They really want to shift those extra units of vampires.
So... GW wants my money to go to FFG or Battlefront? Thats make my decisions a lot easier... And... There are many fan created content and 3d printing... I have limited time, and i'm to old for something like this GW...
GW certainly seem to be floundering at the moment. Lots of stilly mistakes and annoying issues creeping in. Hopefully they can address that. I liked it more when I was always excited to see what they would next.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring If they not change theirs buisnes model there will't any more exitements for me. They ruined (for me) so many games...
It's as if they wanted it to fail
The only complaint I got for Cursed City are those damn cursed D4 dices. 😫
I'm sorry but GW fans are an entitled bunch. Those of you who been around since the 90's...this is how it's always been. Things sell out. Way it is. As for no minitures...
Do your codexes come with minis? Do you complain? Why not...cost same price....
This expansion is like a codex in the form of cards, rules, and tiles. You bought 50 bucks of rules to enhance your game. Like we been doing with Warhammer for a couple decades.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. I'm pleased you're happy with how GW are running things.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I'm happy how YOU run things lol. I'm NOT happy with GW at all, but use to paying 50 bucks for rules lol. We use their products...so we gotta play the game, right? 🤜🤛 politics aside....LOVE LOVE your videos. Very well done.
Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate the support. I'm definitely stuck with dealing with GW when it comes to Warhammer Quest, because I think it's an excellent series of games.
I'm so sick of GW's shit, just done with them
It's frustrating.
you could say the launch was, well cursed?
You do have to admit that them botching this is on brand for cursed city.
Absolutely. GW are all about theme.
In the days of colour scanners, it would be madness for them not to reprint this.
GW is missing the mark on just about everything right now.
They are having a bad time right now. It seems to be one issue after another.
Not saying it's a bad game, but the "tactics & prices" used here are ridiculous 😂
GW are crazy.
Games workshop apparently have no idea what they are doing!
I suspect it's more they know exactly what they are doing, and just don't give a damn.
I guess I’ll need to resort to 2d printing 😂
GW should try that. I think they ran out of 10ps for the photocopier.
Very hard pass for me. The box is (was?) a terrible deal anyway and the campaign structure seems to be basically the same as the core box: repeat the same missions over and over until you kill all the baddies. Boring as hell, sadly.
The expansion seems like an afterthought, made from content that didn't fit in the core box, with rules made with the only goal to artifically prolong the gameplay (you'll have to repeat many Purge missions and some Sabotage missions will last a looot due to Attacks missing more) on top of that the haven phase basically looks like a Copy/Paste from Blackstone...
Cursed City was my biggest disappointment the year It came out, this expansion just confirmed the feeling...
I don't think it's content that was left out of the core box as such, because it seems to be directly addressing some of the complaints about the core box. It is introducing the random spawn points idea, it has ramped up the difficulty, and it has done away with the concept of balancing different statuses within the city, which was something that felt like it prolonged a campaign artificially.
When they announced this expansion I called it a content patch, and having dived into the box in detail I still feel that way. It feels like something that was put together to give the impression of support for the game, either to bolster sales of the reprint, or to keep things ticking over into a full expansion comes out next year. Some of it feels like it was going to be content for White Dwarf, and some of it feels like it exists just to hinge it all together.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring yeah, probably you're right: White Dwarf material is more likely, still to me It looks like something that was put together in a very short time with a very limited print run. The sad thing is that I have all the Quest games but CC was such a disappointment (not only the game, but the whole situation around It) that I think I'll never buy a Quest again...
I definitely agree it feels like it was put together quickly. It's more like a response, rather than a natural progression of the game system. It is sad you feel you might be done with Quest, because it's such a great series. I love all of the games, and I really thought Cursed City would end up being better than Blackstone once it had some more expansions out. If this is the best they can do, Blackstone doesn't have to worry about giving up its throne just yet.
I passed on the expansion.. I am so close to be suckered... if they'd just put tokens for the 4 bosses, may be ... nah. I have a pretty negative sentiment growing towards GW 'games' ... they really need to clean up that side of their business
I buy so little from them these days, and they seem to be actively trying to make it even less.
No, sir, no thanks. Not for me.
These expansions were pretty outrageous. I think Games Workshop generated a lot of bad feeling with them.
So you going to be able afford those new minis. GW is becoming a money grab.
While I could stretch my hobby budget to buy the miniatures, I don't intend to. I am thinking of picking up the fell bats, just because they are something you can use all the time. However, the vampire lords only appear in a limited fashion. They are too powerful to drop into the core game, and within the Nightwars campaign they turn up mainly in their own designated journeys. I don't really fancy spending over £20 each on miniatures that I may only use five or six times. I will probably just use Radukar as Radukar the Beast, and then find suitable miniatures to represent the vampire lords. A lot of people are considering the Crimson Court.
Fun fact: In the UK, GW's webstore has sold out of all four vampire models requires for this expansion. Couldn't make it up.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yea, people in the US are a bit baffled about this release.
I'm passing on all of cursed city, the botched launch and decisions after are just not something I plan to support. Cheers
I think that's fair enough. I'm sticking around because I love the game so much, but they really are making a mess of it.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...
There is better additional content for Cursed City available on Patreon.
That box is a pass for me.
I think they missed an opportunity to add more and different enemies (with the possibility to also encounter them or most of them already in the main game).
I also prefer the dungeon crawler feel of drawing cards and placing tiles much more, than the pre build maps. It would have been cool to have this kind of feature more included in the expansion and maybe make some real “hunt” missions, where you try to get to a certain named minion and slay it.
I already bought it anyway (but haven’t received my copy yet…) but I think I will use many house rules / additions to the game, to tweak it more to my liking. I especially miss that in the 1995 WHQ every mission had some kind of story / objective, while here you just go on many grind missions to balance fear/influence/doom. I think it wouldn’t had been difficult, to add some small story / flavour text to every mission and make it feel less grindy.
I still adore the style, setting and gameplay but I feel like this game could have been so much more…
Cursed City definitely isn't living up to its potential. I would definitely love more varied enemies, but I suspect they don't want to do that because it will weaken all the enemies that key off of supporting types. For example, Halgrim is going to be far less threatening when there is significantly less Ulfenwatch spawning. But then again, it would be very easy to create tailored encounter decks to add more theme to locations around the city and ensure the synergies between the enemy types, so it's not difficult to do, really.
Shadows Over Hammerhal did an excellent job being narrative driven, and some of the best Blackstone Fortress missions were the ones that had a strong plot, like the ambull mission from the annual. I would love to see more of that type of stuff in modern Quest.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Ah thx for pointing out Hammerhal. I might give that a try then. I love Warhammer Quest but really need a little story when I send my boys/girls out on a mission risking their lives and not just, try to lower fear/influence 3x. I still adore the setting though.
I was lucky, I went to order from elemental games and didn't go through with it, somehow I saved my basket and a few days ago was emailed saying I had left something in my basket and did I want to proceed, I did and it got despatched today. Just got to owly get some minis for when we get around to playing it
That's really lucky. I hope you enjoy it.