I don't know if it's intentional or not but currently Relic of the Demon Queen actually reduce the healing amount with 83% and under effect of poison your enemy literally heals for nothing and also any poison based Thief or Ranger build can delete you in under 10sec. especially if you don't have enough cleanses.
The demon queen has been very usable to me after 2 nights of roaming. The poison upgrade helps make revives much slower and gives me time to cleave downs with CA5+2. I understand why this relic has to be under-tuned with this strong poison upgrade but for this relic to become meta on classes that spam cc the icd needs to be removed but then again do we really want to go back to thief cc spam era for dmg or do we want sword/x dagger/pistol mirage to be meta? we surely do not. on my condi druid it makes winning vs builds i already beat or stalemate a bit easier compared to fractals relic but it doesnt help me vs builds that already beat me like cele cata and good spellbreakers. Relic of Febe is very good on my Bladesworn with ammo heal, Ventari cele renegade, Willbender with ammo heal and lastly Vindicator but this one felt not as good as the rest. i dont think it can replace speed and defender on these builds on the meta build but as an option it is very viable and for Vindi evasion is still MUCH stronger with the vigor improvement trait. Relic of Nayos was very good on my cele fire catalyst/weaver, REALLY decent on my deadeye instead of adventurer on withdraw heal but forced me to run a second rifle with energy sigil to compensate for no adventurer relic but the sustain is very good with shadow arts and stealth on dodge. I tried it on willbender but im not sure it gives significant staying power before i have to back off unlike cata/weaver and deadeye. I wanted to try it on necromancer to see if it heals in shroud but i didnt get around to it. I thought that cleansing sigil would make things easier to make use of it but i was wrong you need more cleanses that are frequent enough and dont waste animation time on your build and not alot of burst heal sustain like druids. it has potential for sustain. the rest i didnt bother using...yet
Maybe relic of Nourys will be a niche thing in fractals when "no pain no gain" instability is active. And yet, only the person doing the strips will benefit from it.
About Febe, it's actually insane on firebrands and ventari vindicators. Karakosa is very strong currently in GvG/zerging. if you have recurrent sources of blasts (druids and vindicators for exemple, which are the 2 healers currently used in zergs), it amounts to 1/4 of your heal, which means a 30% increase of healing input. A lot of people think the relic will be nerfed soon. We tested with Nourys as well, and you are right saying it's difficult to use. But I don't really think the tooltip is that clear : while in combat, you gain 1 stack every second, as well as max 1 stack every 1/4 second when you strip. We hoped you could gain stacks if striping while grown up, but you can't. All in all, you are in the special state about 40% of the time while in combat... just not when you want it.
It's a niche anti-sustain relic. It would be insanely imba if it was good just for it's damage. It basically forces to condi cleanse untill you cleanse the poison if you want to actually heal and the enemy needs to just get one stack of poison back on you to negate your heal. So it can force a lot of condi cleanse and cut off some of the sustain specs continuous healing. I thing it's a great balancing tool.
Thanks for explaining these. I was going to run karakosa on my catalyst for some self-sustain but I guess not now I know it doesn't work on yourself.
I don't know if it's intentional or not but currently Relic of the Demon Queen actually reduce the healing amount with 83% and under effect of poison your enemy literally heals for nothing and also any poison based Thief or Ranger build can delete you in under 10sec. especially if you don't have enough cleanses.
It seems to be just that the tooltip is wrong and it works as -50% not -83% as shown in the log ppl already talking about it on the forums 🤔
Thanks for the info dear Paper.
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The demon queen has been very usable to me after 2 nights of roaming. The poison upgrade helps make revives much slower and gives me time to cleave downs with CA5+2. I understand why this relic has to be under-tuned with this strong poison upgrade but for this relic to become meta on classes that spam cc the icd needs to be removed but then again do we really want to go back to thief cc spam era for dmg or do we want sword/x dagger/pistol mirage to be meta? we surely do not.
on my condi druid it makes winning vs builds i already beat or stalemate a bit easier compared to fractals relic but it doesnt help me vs builds that already beat me like cele cata and good spellbreakers.
Relic of Febe is very good on my Bladesworn with ammo heal, Ventari cele renegade, Willbender with ammo heal and lastly Vindicator but this one felt not as good as the rest. i dont think it can replace speed and defender on these builds on the meta build but as an option it is very viable and for Vindi evasion is still MUCH stronger with the vigor improvement trait.
Relic of Nayos was very good on my cele fire catalyst/weaver, REALLY decent on my deadeye instead of adventurer on withdraw heal but forced me to run a second rifle with energy sigil to compensate for no adventurer relic but the sustain is very good with shadow arts and stealth on dodge. I tried it on willbender but im not sure it gives significant staying power before i have to back off unlike cata/weaver and deadeye. I wanted to try it on necromancer to see if it heals in shroud but i didnt get around to it. I thought that cleansing sigil would make things easier to make use of it but i was wrong you need more cleanses that are frequent enough and dont waste animation time on your build and not alot of burst heal sustain like druids. it has potential for sustain.
the rest i didnt bother using...yet
Good info 🤓🙏
Maybe relic of Nourys will be a niche thing in fractals when "no pain no gain" instability is active. And yet, only the person doing the strips will benefit from it.
Karakosa is really good with Aheal willbender.
It is good for many supports
About Febe, it's actually insane on firebrands and ventari vindicators.
Karakosa is very strong currently in GvG/zerging. if you have recurrent sources of blasts (druids and vindicators for exemple, which are the 2 healers currently used in zergs), it amounts to 1/4 of your heal, which means a 30% increase of healing input. A lot of people think the relic will be nerfed soon.
We tested with Nourys as well, and you are right saying it's difficult to use. But I don't really think the tooltip is that clear : while in combat, you gain 1 stack every second, as well as max 1 stack every 1/4 second when you strip. We hoped you could gain stacks if striping while grown up, but you can't. All in all, you are in the special state about 40% of the time while in combat... just not when you want it.
Good 🤓
I wish demon queen did not have an internal cooldown and either added another low damage condition or low duration cripple or did more damage.
It needed more damage at least in pve but in wvw or pvp that would be too powerful 😄
It's a niche anti-sustain relic. It would be insanely imba if it was good just for it's damage. It basically forces to condi cleanse untill you cleanse the poison if you want to actually heal and the enemy needs to just get one stack of poison back on you to negate your heal. So it can force a lot of condi cleanse and cut off some of the sustain specs continuous healing. I thing it's a great balancing tool.
@@PaperRolleven rn the icd kinda busted cuz you can aoe cc and it procs on everyone at a time lol.
@@hanabal898 well that is how it's supposed to work (at least for a cap normal 5)if it was only one that would be so bad 😆
@@PaperRoll would be nice if madking did too but that would be mega busted lol