I thought I had until your previous video, where I found out that the quick coat was just a surface protection. I have since ceramic coated my new bike and with the weather in Inverness recently I can definitely say it works. Now I Just need to ceramic coat myself.
yes and it makes cleaning a lot easier as well as giving more protection against stone chipping and scrapes removing tar and other debris from the frame is also way easier
You did a video a while ago comparing how dirty riders got with and without mudguards. Would be good to see the difference after a winter ride or 2 of a ceramic coated and not coated bike and also how much easier the dirt comes off afterwards. Thanks for all the good content!
Great watching a genuine expert in two subjects explain something where they cross over. There are not many people in the world who could have presented this video as well.
I do coat my bikes and my cars as well. For my cars I do PPF and ceramic coating, the bikes are just cermaic coated. When they are clean, the shine is incredible. My Aethos has a matte finish and ceramice coating it did not change the look once it was dry.
I know that mine stays much cleaner with a ceramic coating, then using a ceramic detailer between new coatings. Made my older bikes look brand new. Great video, love your work.
I’ve had good results with silicone spray (e.g. Jigaloo) to protect the paint on my steel bike. It buffs up to a slippery high gloss shine that repels dirt. I rarely wash my bike. After a muddy ride, I just let it dry indoors and brush off the dirt and vacuum the floor.
Just look at Ollie's aseptic technique for opening the bottle. Once a scientist always a scientist. Only silanization I've done is glass tubes for doing lipid extraction using chloroform-methanol
Good video Ollie, I'm ok if my bike gets dirty but, not my chain. Luckily I watched a video about waxing my chain so now my chain is clean while the bike waits for its spring washing.
You did a video some time ago about graphene application to bike frames. I followed your advice and did so. Can I and/or should I also apply a ceramic coating?
You would want to use the ceramic coating OVER the ride wrap if you went that route. The coating gives the bike the hydrophobic property which helps it shed dirt and wash easier. Ceramic coatings are better than the factory clearcoat but but aren't fully scratchproof. Apply the Ridewrap first to prevent scratches to the bike frame then the coating to keep everything clean. That's how its done on cars anyway. Assume its the same for bikes.
This video would have been useful ...last October. 🤣 As it's such a PITA to wash the bike after each ride. I have a waxed chain, so I'm 50% of the way to full Ollie-enlightenment.
Got a new bike coming soon. I’m thinking about using some frame protection tape on some areas, prior to using a ceramic coating. Will the ceramic coating bond to that? Ollie says plastics but I would think frame protection tape is a bit different to hard plastics used for parts.
Clay moves surface adhered contaminants (organic), IPA and or panel wpie degreaser the surface ahead of coating to promote adhesion.. I.e they do 2 different jobs 👍
#askgcntech Nice video Ollie! Question though, when you say it bonds to the lacquer, does that mean that it also removes some lacquer as it wears down too? Also, what's the best thing to do for a bike that's down to the paint and now the paint is wearing? I have an older bike that's had a rough life and some of the paint is deteriorating. Would waxing, ceramic coat, or something else revive the finish and make it shine again?
If you really want to get the frame clean use a clay bar with lube to ensure it doesn't scrape or leave swirls them dry off and use alcohol rub before applying the ceramic coat. Remember TROW AWAY the applicator pad and the microfiber towel as once the ceramic coat dry’s it's going to crystallise and then if you use this on your bike it will scrape it to bits.
Terrible advice ^ absolutely do not do this. There’s no way of claying a bike that won’t leave marring on the paint. It’s also completely unnecessary on a bike because a bike doesn’t get the contaminants a car does. If you really want it clean give the bike a once over with a paint cleanser before prepping the frame, that’s what I did.
Question: Does car ceramic coating work just as well, can’t see why not, a single bottle is the same price as bicycle ceramic coatings but contains 5x as much of the magic liquid.
Will cermaic coating work if I've applied Nu Finish® which uses zinc cross-linking technology that bonds to the paint? Do I need to take the Nufinish off? How?
can you use cleaners such as muk off, peaties bike wash csprays on it after coating after a ride?.. I have always used car detailing products such as ceramic Di2 sprays and detailers. Always worked great but does not last as long as yours claims to do
They protect against scratches but aren't hydrophobic. The ceramic coating helps water and muck rinse off. I have the coating on my car and it always looks clean and shiny even when I don't wash it for a while. If you want the scratch protection of a wrap, do that first THEN apply the coating to keep it clean. Not sure how much all that weighs though..
Now that I know that it unfortunately does not work on jockey wheels, what about shoes. No problem on the carbon soles I guess but what about the upper material?
I’ve got a Merida Reacto, mostly Matt black with a gloss red top tube. I use Muc Off Matt detailer on the Matt areas, but if I ceramic coat, do I still use a Matt detailer spray or would it not matter anymore with the new coating?
If you ceramic coat the inside of your exit hole you spend less time on the toilet. And you can clean yourself faster. So now you know what to do with the other half of the bottle when you only have one bike.
After installing ceramic coating on cars and carbon fiber, some c coating products will stain matte colors so careful because it will make the matte finish look different, you might not like it, there are ceramic c compatible with matte colors its call stealth c coating, if your frame is a gloss color is ok to use the regular c coating
I used the Gtechniq Bike Ceramic and ended up with a blotchy cloudy finish . The bike was prepped by washing it and using the frame prep provided and applying in 50 degree F outside with 50 % humidity. It was applied in stages and wiped off but I waited 3-4 minutes not 1-2 minutes . Apparently wiping off as late as I did was the problem. This is not mentioned anywhere on their website or in the instructions provided. It was a disaster. I am having it removed by a professional auto detailer and letting them apply their ceramic . Such a disaster. Instructions are way to vague for DIYs
Furniture polish does not have a 9h finish. The ceramic coating is more scratch resistant than the factory clear coat (or gelcoat) on the frame. Mind you its not scratch proof.
why don't manufacturers offer this as an option, or even as standard? surely they should want their products to look good and last for as long as possible for their customers?
Most of us are amateurs riding with tech that we don't use to it's full potential. That is also a waste of money. Or is it? Because it does something to your mind to have proper gear.
The Silca stuff isn't very expensive and unless you don't wash your bike at all, the time saved if you do clean your bike us worth far more than the cost of the coating. Not a big deal if you live somewhere that never gets rain, or you don't ride outside when there's any wet areas on the ground. But the gains really are huge from ceramic coat.
Have you ever applied a ceramic coating to your bike? 🧐
no
I thought I had until your previous video, where I found out that the quick coat was just a surface protection. I have since ceramic coated my new bike and with the weather in Inverness recently I can definitely say it works. Now I Just need to ceramic coat myself.
Would it work on a Ti frame?
yes and it makes cleaning a lot easier as well as giving more protection against stone chipping and scrapes removing tar and other debris from the frame is also way easier
Its not work in russia🙃
You did a video a while ago comparing how dirty riders got with and without mudguards. Would be good to see the difference after a winter ride or 2 of a ceramic coated and not coated bike and also how much easier the dirt comes off afterwards. Thanks for all the good content!
Nice thinking! Maybe we'll come back to this one 👀 Perhaps it would be great on a gravel bike, when you are getting muddy?
I just did it last night. Turned out perfect
Great watching a genuine expert in two subjects explain something where they cross over. There are not many people in the world who could have presented this video as well.
Ollie is certainly one of a kind 👀
Thanks Ollie , crew, and Willard for donating his bike .
Willard to the rescue! 🙌
@@gcntech Ollie’s pronunciation is spot on !!
I do coat my bikes and my cars as well. For my cars I do PPF and ceramic coating, the bikes are just cermaic coated. When they are clean, the shine is incredible. My Aethos has a matte finish and ceramice coating it did not change the look once it was dry.
Great to hear! You've got to keep your toys looking fresh 🙌
hi can i use the same coating for a bike that is made for cars or is there any difference
Awesome information and totally underrated video!
I know that mine stays much cleaner with a ceramic coating, then using a ceramic detailer between new coatings. Made my older bikes look brand new. Great video, love your work.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of this process vs the Silca cleaning system.
I think it looks nice on the matt finish,like a satin look 😎
A really helpful and informative video on the subject. Gentle and easy and informative. Thank you very much.
I’ve had good results with silicone spray (e.g. Jigaloo) to protect the paint on my steel bike. It buffs up to a slippery high gloss shine that repels dirt. I rarely wash my bike. After a muddy ride, I just let it dry indoors and brush off the dirt and vacuum the floor.
Great video and it looks a lot easier than PPF to apply
Will you be giving it a try? 👀
@@gcntech I'm actually buying the ceramic coat right now!
Just look at Ollie's aseptic technique for opening the bottle. Once a scientist always a scientist. Only silanization I've done is glass tubes for doing lipid extraction using chloroform-methanol
Thanks, I had no idea how hat stuff actually worked and I got to watch bike undressing at the same time. I'm a sucker for red and black! ;-)
Wow nice 👍
Good video Ollie, I'm ok if my bike gets dirty but, not my chain. Luckily I watched a video about waxing my chain so now my chain is clean while the bike waits for its spring washing.
I’ve done this to my car and loved it. Don’t know why it never doned on me to do it to my bike.
hi can i use the same coating for a bike that is made for cars or is there any difference
Is it PFAS free?
Who cares?
Ollie wat about small scratches etc? Cheers
You did a video some time ago about graphene application to bike frames. I followed your advice and did so. Can I and/or should I also apply a ceramic coating?
I love the process of waxing my frame, especially with a good quality carbonara wax.
What do you like the most about the process? 👀
What’s your thought on applying RideWrap following ceramic coating?
You would want to use the ceramic coating OVER the ride wrap if you went that route. The coating gives the bike the hydrophobic property which helps it shed dirt and wash easier. Ceramic coatings are better than the factory clearcoat but but aren't fully scratchproof.
Apply the Ridewrap first to prevent scratches to the bike frame then the coating to keep everything clean.
That's how its done on cars anyway. Assume its the same for bikes.
Great video, very helpful. Do I need a bicycle specific ceramic coat, or can I apply the ones used for cars?
This video would have been useful ...last October. 🤣
As it's such a PITA to wash the bike after each ride.
I have a waxed chain, so I'm 50% of the way to full Ollie-enlightenment.
Hahahah once you're up to 100% why not put in on the bike vault? 👉 gcn.eu/app
Will this work on a powder coated steel frame?
Got a new bike coming soon. I’m thinking about using some frame protection tape on some areas, prior to using a ceramic coating. Will the ceramic coating bond to that? Ollie says plastics but I would think frame protection tape is a bit different to hard plastics used for parts.
It does work on a vinyl wrap as well.
Have a look at some of the many car detailing channels like Pan the organizer etc. for a more in depth view on the various products available.
Will there be issues with using alcohol and ceramic coating on decals (sticker) ?
Any thoughts on the ceramic vs a graphene wax? Thinking mud shedding for one biking it in cyclocross?
would you consider using claybar as opposed to ipa to prep the surface?
Clay moves surface adhered contaminants (organic), IPA and or panel wpie degreaser the surface ahead of coating to promote adhesion.. I.e they do 2 different jobs 👍
@@markharrison6120 in older or secondhand bikes clay is a good idea but use lube or you’ll get scratches
#askgcntech Nice video Ollie! Question though, when you say it bonds to the lacquer, does that mean that it also removes some lacquer as it wears down too?
Also, what's the best thing to do for a bike that's down to the paint and now the paint is wearing? I have an older bike that's had a rough life and some of the paint is deteriorating. Would waxing, ceramic coat, or something else revive the finish and make it shine again?
Great question Mark! Why not use #askgcntech and the team will pick up on your questions 🔎
If you really want to get the frame clean use a clay bar with lube to ensure it doesn't scrape or leave swirls them dry off and use alcohol rub before applying the ceramic coat. Remember TROW AWAY the applicator pad and the microfiber towel as once the ceramic coat dry’s it's going to crystallise and then if you use this on your bike it will scrape it to bits.
Terrible advice ^ absolutely do not do this. There’s no way of claying a bike that won’t leave marring on the paint. It’s also completely unnecessary on a bike because a bike doesn’t get the contaminants a car does. If you really want it clean give the bike a once over with a paint cleanser before prepping the frame, that’s what I did.
@@joeblack7469 was referring to old or secondhand bikes and as for marking if you use a dedicated lube you won’t
Will it void the warranty of the bike?
Question: Does car ceramic coating work just as well, can’t see why not, a single bottle is the same price as bicycle ceramic coatings but contains 5x as much of the magic liquid.
Will cermaic coating work if I've applied Nu Finish® which uses zinc cross-linking technology that bonds to the paint? Do I need to take the Nufinish off? How?
Would it be okay to use car ceramic coating for this?... eg: ceramic coat the car this summer and use the leftover product to do the bike!
Okay, so I’m stupid. Perhaps a link to the coating?
can you use cleaners such as muk off, peaties bike wash csprays on it after coating after a ride?..
I have always used car detailing products such as ceramic Di2 sprays and detailers. Always worked great but does not last as long as yours claims to do
Use car shampoo diluted in a spray bottle for most longevity of the coating
no actual test ride to see if it's that much different?
Just put protective skin cover (plastic) and you are good to go👌😊
They protect against scratches but aren't hydrophobic. The ceramic coating helps water and muck rinse off. I have the coating on my car and it always looks clean and shiny even when I don't wash it for a while. If you want the scratch protection of a wrap, do that first THEN apply the coating to keep it clean. Not sure how much all that weighs though..
Now that I know that it unfortunately does not work on jockey wheels, what about shoes. No problem on the carbon soles I guess but what about the upper material?
You can buy ceramic coatings for fabrics. I'd look at some car detailing channels for further info.
I’ve got a Merida Reacto, mostly Matt black with a gloss red top tube. I use Muc Off Matt detailer on the Matt areas, but if I ceramic coat, do I still use a Matt detailer spray or would it not matter anymore with the new coating?
I use the ceramic coating I bought for my car. Seems to work so far..
I did the same. happy with it, and definitely more effective than waxing
I use furniture polish - just makes it a bit easier to get grime off when I wash it every other week.
I have tried that…mr sheen….found the chemical brothers ceramic coating way more effective and longer lasting…
Did you calculate the change in bike weight (before and after the coating)? I'm curious....
ceramic coating work for matte finishes?
Ollie answered it at 8:00. Ceramic coating will shine up the matte a bit.
So if I ceramic coat the inside of my bottles, will I get more liquid out of them ??
Now these are the important questions!
The water will run out at such speed that you will choke and spill it
If you ceramic coat the inside of your exit hole you spend less time on the toilet. And you can clean yourself faster. So now you know what to do with the other half of the bottle when you only have one bike.
After installing ceramic coating on cars and carbon fiber, some c coating products will stain matte colors so careful because it will make the matte finish look different, you might not like it, there are ceramic c compatible with matte colors its call stealth c coating, if your frame is a gloss color is ok to use the regular c coating
I thought IPA was Indian Pale Ale.... maybe not the best cleaning agent
can this be done to a carbon fiber frames which have Matt finish?
Ollie covers this at 8:00
But does it make the bike more aero?
No it doesn't.
We have done the tests at a windtunnel.
And are you going to wax the chain for Fred?
Bought a new frame for my first build. While she’s nude, should I coat her?
I used the Gtechniq Bike Ceramic and ended up with a blotchy cloudy finish . The bike was prepped by washing it and using the frame prep provided and applying in 50 degree F outside with 50 % humidity. It was applied in stages and wiped off but I waited 3-4 minutes not 1-2 minutes . Apparently wiping off as late as I did was the problem. This is not mentioned anywhere on their website or in the instructions provided. It was a disaster. I am having it removed by a professional auto detailer and letting them apply their ceramic . Such a disaster. Instructions are way to vague for DIYs
What about a PPF wrap? 🤣
pledge furniture polish does the same thing.
Furniture polish does not have a 9h finish. The ceramic coating is more scratch resistant than the factory clear coat (or gelcoat) on the frame. Mind you its not scratch proof.
It really should last far longer on a bike than a car since cars sit outside so much, even if you have a garage at home.
Collinite 845 Insulator Wax. I will not use anything else for my car, or bike.
People wouldn’t spend all that money to Cera coat their cars If pledge furniture polished worked just as good. Lmao
Snake oil works really well
why don't manufacturers offer this as an option, or even as standard? surely they should want their products to look good and last for as long as possible for their customers?
F12 as an old bike,jeez you guys !!!
You are better off using a wax with lotus leaf technology
i just use car ceramic coat LOL, i think those 'bike' advertise product is too gimmick.
i even do polish , then ceramic coat from time to time.
Worse or better in the windtunnel , i think worse
Less dirt sticking to your bike = more aero. You ride in the real world, not in a pristine wind tunnel.
Waste of money ...
Most of us are amateurs riding with tech that we don't use to it's full potential. That is also a waste of money. Or is it? Because it does something to your mind to have proper gear.
It’s really not. It’s personal preference. Some might say a bike is a waste of money…. We have legs 😋
The Silca stuff isn't very expensive and unless you don't wash your bike at all, the time saved if you do clean your bike us worth far more than the cost of the coating. Not a big deal if you live somewhere that never gets rain, or you don't ride outside when there's any wet areas on the ground. But the gains really are huge from ceramic coat.
Your application pad is toooooooooooooooooo thick! It’s soaking up most of the Ceramic coating……. That small bottle can coat more than 10 bikes
Cermaic coat a bike. 😂
Because it's so hard to wash a bike.
Much more than making it easier to wash. Adds gloss, repels water whilst riding, protects against UV, protects against marring. Do your research 💪🏻
@@dariogiordano4218 also gives added protection against chippin and scratching...
@@joelyons886 lol
@@dariogiordano4218 lol
@@stevenr5149 always one
Too close to fetishism...
People without fetishes are boring
@@veganpotterthevegan boring is a fetish
I wonder whether this is too much work for minimal to zero real world benefit.
It works extremely well for cars. Extra shiny and repels liquids and therefore minerals and anything that can stick. Same principle for bikes