While I would never actually build a Treadripper system, I've always been fascinated by seeing what kind of performance you can get out of these setups and what scenarios would make sense over a desktop 7950x system!
It's overkill for a gaming system where only a few threads are used. It makes sense only for use cases like image processing, physics simulation, code compilation, etc. Everything that can run in parallel
This ain't for me but I'm happy they give people the option that want to create builds like this. I bet with all the amazing creative people in this world this will result in some crazy projects 🔥
That is cool!! Not heard leaks about the HEDT either .. moving the models to higher core counts makes perfect sense as Zen is well established. This is so much more exciting than the 13th gen B with nearly the same TDP. Intel are supposed to have Fishhawk Falls coming out but Sapphire Rapids seems to have had issues.
I wonder if this has been so long in coming because AMD was trying to find that balance of making it appealing two people who would actually use the cores without cannibalizing their Pro lineup.
I enjoy your videos a lot more than some of the other channels because you explain it in a way that normal everyday people can understand. You don't try to talk above your viewers and spout out these crazy numbers and terms that most people don't get Appreciate it Paul. Keep on keeping my brother. God bless you.😊
Kind of surprised there are no c-core variants on the pro lineup to bring the core count up to 128-192 cores. Even still, this is a huge win for both AMD and customers who need either one of these platforms.
Its too new, thats why its debuting in laptops first for any type of mainstream platform. I imagine going forward more products will have c cores. All those cores are a premium resource right now. Bergamo is still a low volume product
@2.48 in the Video , to make it clear , its not only 48 PciE Lanes , its 92/88 PciE Lanes usable , 48 of them PciE 5.0 . If i have to guess , its because to make the Motherboard cheaper . More PCIE 5 Lanes = more complex , more Layers , more Pcie redrivers , more shielding = higher Price .
I'm so glad that they brought this back, but I can't help but be a bit disappointed by the 48 pcie lanes. My old TR1950X lives on as an esxi server and I use all of those lanes. 64 would have been preferred.
I will be interested to see what kind of prices the TR will be in Canada, we always pay a lot more here. I priced out TR and TRPro systems earlier this year and they were just too expensive especially for old tech with DDR4 and PCIe4. So instead I built an Intel Xeon W7-2495X 24-Core 48-Thread, ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE, 512GB DDR5 RDIMM, ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090 24GB, WD SN850X system for almost half the price. Looking at the TR 7960X 24-Core specs and price, it looks like I made the right choice. The W7 is 64 PCIe5 Lanes and 225W TDP. The TR will be at least $2500 CAD as well.
AMD's Epyc lineup is what you probably should be looking at. TR seems geared towards specific types of workloads where they end up paying for themselves. And of course, AMD would not want TR to compete with Epyc.
4:20 Remember when DDR3 and DDR4 didnt care if you were using UDIMM(in both ECC and non ECC variants) or RDIMM fully buffered ECC, and you could choose between wicked fast consumer DDR5,, not quite as fast ECC-UDIMM that at least gave you some bit correction and detection or pretty slow comparatively fully buffered RDIMM
If I wasn't content with my X670E system (I used to run a 3960X system, now with a 7900X) the new 24-core is almost the same price as what I used to have and it would likely be what I'd get. I ended up selling my Threadripper system to a friend as a server for FoundryVTT, Minecraft, and some VM work. These systems can do a lot and pack a lot of horse power, and the 24-core has been the best bang for the buck for several generations now, it seems.
@ydky2864 This is noobs only, they never need many Core 6 Ghz on new Core 7 is the best, 2 DIMS 8000, only one NMVe is THAT best. Why need need it, running what ?
Stay away from AMD - remember that infamous TRX40 "long term support promise" that they LIED so hard with. ONE(!!!) CPU release then....NOTHING. Talk about backstabbing your ENTIRE HEDT userbase !!!
@@andersjjensen Let me simplify this for AMD 'firefighters' like you since you clearly have difficulty understanding... 1) If AMD told the TRUTH, that they were only going to release ONE CPU series for TRX40, then the following, naturally, would occur... ---> NO ENTHUSIAST WOULD PURCHASE TRX40 !!!! ---> WE'LL ASSUME YOU 'GET IT' NOW !!!! ---> WE'LL ASSUME YOU HAVE NO ANSWER TO THAT !!!!
Oh wow. I finally gave in and upgraded from my 1950x to a 7950x back in March(ish?). I kind of wish I'd waited another year! Having said that I can see a few potential issues here. Until Ryzen and the 1950x I bought came out, mainstream CPUs were quad core so the 1950x was 4x as many cores as the best offering until Ryzen. Now that non-HEDT ryzens are 16 cores, without the issues/complexity around numa that I had with my 1950x, I bought HEDT because I actually cores for video encoding, I buy a lot of blurays and encode them for my NAS so HEDT with limited PCIE lanes compared to "Pro" isn't an issue so more cores matter, but the other stuff: 8 channel RAM, PCIE lanes, is irrelevant. Would I actually spend that much on a CPU though? Probably not|. We already know how expensive x670 motherboards are... how much are these more complex yet much lower economy of scale boards going to be? As someone who bought 1st gen Threadripper on launch day I'm just not sure that there is enough market segmentation between Ryzen, Threadripper and Threadripper Pro here.
I love my 3970x and happy with productivity. I was hoping to upgrade next year but ROI just isn't there yet to justify the costs. Hopefully price will come down later next year. Thanks for the updates.
Funny seeing Solidworks on that application list.. still firmly a single core package. 😂 A lot of the rendering software benefits a lot more from a beefy GPU as well.
I'm curious, Paul--what is your production build? I remember Steve at HUB using a Threadripper-based machine for his production needs, although I don't know if that's still true. What's the best use-case for these CPUs? It's definitely not gaming.
Please tell us about the RAM capacities. You mentioned RDIMMs, but Threadripper was originally limited to 256GB whereas Pro supported multiple TB. Is it still the same? And please do a build.
QuentinStephens Tell, what is the system running, learn to ask a question you do need ! 10k plus internet connections, cloud solution. Or DOOM on RTX ? DOOM, just 6ghz on 4 cores the best, 2 x 8000 on XMP Less parts = faster for FPS shooter, need that ? Cloud solutions need ECC !
Remember when HEDT was expensive but not clearly out of reach for private users? When X99 was released, even as a college professor I was able to buy into it with a Core i7 6850K (four memory channels, 40 PCIe lanes), and it's been a wonderful system (I'm typing this post on it). I paid roughly double what a mainstream Core i7 system would have cost at the time. We don't know yet what platform pricing will be, but does anybody think it will be less than roughly triple an AM5 7950X system? That said, if I were to build a new PC in 2024 to last me for five years, it might be a Threadripper system. I'll start gathering up the sofa change.
Stay away from AMD - remember that infamous TRX40 "long term support promise" that they LIED so hard with. ONE(!!!) CPU release then....NOTHING. Talk about backstabbing your ENTIRE HEDT userbase !!!
HEDT was inexpensive back before mainstream encroached heavily on HEDT territory. This is literally an expensive EPYC chip that AMD is willing to take a hair cut on just to offer it as a product.
@0Gumpy0 16 minutes ago forrnite/minecraft PC? Need 400 FPS ? What monitor, small ??? 12 bit HDR levels ? 4k ????? Core 7, 8000 2 DIMMS, one NVMe, RTX40xx fancy card ! NON AMD SYSTEM CAN DO THAT FASTER
The 48 PCIe lanes you mention are gen 5 lanes. They have a LOT of PCIe lanes. The Pro platform has a total of 144 PCIe lanes with up to 128 being gen 5. The non-pro platform has a total of 88 PCIe lanes with up to 48 being gen 5. How many of them can be gen 4 doesn't seem to be spelled out anywhere. It could be 40 on the non-pro platform (48 gen 5 + 40 gen 4 = 88 lanes in total) it could be far less. Either way, it is incorrect to claim that it only has 48 PCIe lanes without specifying that it is 48 gen 5 PCIe lanes. Especially when AM5 has a maximum of 24 PCIe 5 lanes and Intels platform is a maximum of 20 PCIe lanes.
While I won't be spending my own money on this, my job will be footing the bill for this Threadripper gen. I do 3D animations and Vray renderings so this will eventually pay for itself. I can't wait to see how fast I can render with this.
I build myself a pc for graduation with my engineering degree and I always dreamed of a thread ripper pc, but I just went with my 7950x3d and 4090. 😂 maybe one day I’ll do it
Thank you Paul, great job as always. I am looking forward to the next Gen AMD desktop CPU's that will do fine for my more modest computing requirements hi.
I had a TR2 which was great but then AMD went bananas with the pricing. I have a 7950x at the moment. Actually thinking of going with Intel for next build which is crazy, but I am kinda mad at AMD for padding profit margins so much
Extreme platforms now have too many cores to properly cool, so the clocks are too slow to be competitive in gaming plus considering I'm not aware of any game that utilizes >8 cores.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 .. My point is back in the day of LGA 2011. You could have your cake and eat it too, but now that's not so much the case. That's my only point.
Lol getting one of these for gaming, But I doubt more than maybe a dozen cores would be doing much if anything during the time this cpu is relevant if you are gaming, so maybe it will be fine for gaming unless you are trying to game while you are doing some big productivity task at the same time.
@@adamhero459 .. That's not true. The CPU is still very relevant. The "extreme consumer" platform dried up nearly a decade ago. If I could get a 40 core 6 GHz CPU for under $2,000 I would buy it .. they don't exist.
I know the 7950X doesn't go for near it's MSRP because it's been out for so long, but MSRP vs MSRP the per-core markup isn't actually that bad on the 7960X. It's $44 vs $63, but the 7960X also has a honking big I/O die with a bazillion SATA links and what not.
It's not entirely fair comparing the pricing to 2017 prices. The current nodes cost a lot more than then, and we're in post shortage pricing still in some markets which affects material costs for just about everything. Throw in the wars in Asia and the Middle East and things cost more to make than ever before.
Paul, when you calculate price per core you should count in price for whole system. You cant run Vray rendering just on CPU, you need motherboard, ram and other stuff. When you count in all parts the difference is much smaller.
Can someone tell me why i dont have that new motion fluid option in my adrenaline program for my Rx 6600? I thought 6000 series will be supported too...
Well, they were correct. I'll have to buy the Pro versions since I need those 8 channels for memory. Not looking forward to what the price tag is going to be.
I've used threadripper in the past and would consider doing so again but i got burned by the platform change from tr 4 to strx4 so may hold off until AMD's long term plans are clear. Besides. My 7900x is doing just fine.
Thanks Paul! I was considering building a Threadripper 7000 setup but not at those prices. My Threadripper 2950X is relegated to my bicycle trainer computer now as it is slow compared to the 5950X and 7950X systems I also ahve.
@@superheracross89 when the 1950x dropped I was 3 rd on Linus’s cinebench chart.. 3rd.. sure that didn’t last long but I feel think they could’ve done a lil more with the x399 platform
I lost all 'heart & mind' in AMD after what they did to us TRX40 owners! They literally lied so damn hard in publicly stating a "long term support promise" - many like me bought into that and purchased an expensive system. Fast forward and the ONLY CPU releases for TRX40 was the original three Zen2 models. I, like so many in a similar position, am utterly and completely disgusted by AMD. Talk about stabbing your own userbase in the back !!!
It would be very hard to convince my wife that I need a $5k processor knowing that I also need to spend another $3k to $4k for the parts to make it all work. 🤣 Usually my personal computer builds they last for several years before building a new one. I may end up building it from secondary markets down the line. I am still happy with my Ryzen 9 5950X setup.
Thanks for the video. I guess I have to put it all into the perspective of history. In the 1980s I paid a similar amount of money for an IBM PC with an single core, 16 bit, 4 mhz processor, 64k of ram, a HD that wouldn't even hold windows today, etc. By comparison this is cheap. 😂
the only real question is why you would go for 4 chan mem when you can go with 8 chan - just to overclock? 8 channel will still rule the roost - the 16 core zen5 will be enough for 99% and will be the way to go in a year esp with 3d cache versions
It boils down to use case. If your application isn’t maxing out 4 channels of memory, spending significantly more money on an 8 channel platform is just wasteful. It’s kind of the same reason the Pro version goes all the way down to 12 cores. Some use cases require a lot of I/O (whether that’s memory bandwidth or PCIe lanes) and not a ton of compute.
@@benjaminlynch9958 this content affects less than 1% of the audience so largely is irrelevant - people who have real needs should wit for next gen epyc with zen5 cores over new ripper iterations - ipc could be 20% or more on some workloads - that makes it no brainer as price per core will be similar? wait and see all the parts actually benched before making any decisions - the best advice
Has the infamous Event ID 56 - ACPI 15 complete system crash in both Windows 10 and 11 been solved already or is the Threadripper 5000 and 7000 series still affected by this extremely annoying bug ?
Aaaaaaand... No one cared. Seriously, there wasnt much fanfare or excitement for these kinds of chips back when they launched in 2017 due to the price of the chips (and insanely priced motherboards) and then... higher core desktop cpus started to appear (like 12-16 core cpus) and so AMD killed Threadripper by itself in the foot. And then EPYC appeared and even went onto the 2nd hand market, killing it even more. The main reason for TR is the memory bandwith if your workload needs it. If all you need is lots of Cores, its a hard to swallow pill
As soon as they said yet another new socket, I said fail. No sale. Does it go in a Threadripper socket? No. An AM5 socket. No. it's neither this nor that.
While I would never actually build a Treadripper system, I've always been fascinated by seeing what kind of performance you can get out of these setups and what scenarios would make sense over a desktop 7950x system!
Looking forward to the builds coming up with these monster chips.
It's overkill for a gaming system where only a few threads are used. It makes sense only for use cases like image processing, physics simulation, code compilation, etc. Everything that can run in parallel
@@donk8589its the pcie bandwidth that makes threadripper so drool worthy for enthusiasts
Wouldn't it be embarassing if they used less power than the 13900
It can be tough to cool them. Great for winter though.
New threadripper build incoming from Paul? Yes please.
New threadripper PRO build ?
😉
This ain't for me but I'm happy they give people the option that want to create builds like this. I bet with all the amazing creative people in this world this will result in some crazy projects 🔥
No way dude. This is most excellent 👌👍
Your comment made my day 😅
@@steves7345 every time I hear the intro I smile
That is cool!! Not heard leaks about the HEDT either .. moving the models to higher core counts makes perfect sense as Zen is well established.
This is so much more exciting than the 13th gen B with nearly the same TDP.
Intel are supposed to have Fishhawk Falls coming out but Sapphire Rapids seems to have had issues.
Cool they have not completely abandoned Non-Pro Threadripper but I'm good with my 7950x 😊
I wonder if this has been so long in coming because AMD was trying to find that balance of making it appealing two people who would actually use the cores without cannibalizing their Pro lineup.
Desktop is another segment, the Pro line is for certified platforms and who need more PCI-E lanes.
TR has always been cool. I remember getting the 1920x back then when it came out. Now I'm sticking with 2nd EPYC.
Excited to see the motherboard options for this, I may be upgrading soon!
HP i have seen, what is it you need ?
Cloud service ? what system runs it now, Xeon ?
My prediction no zenith board
@@lucasrem Nothing extraordinary, just something that will look nice in a glass panel case and can support at least 2 x16 cards and bifurcation
Hi still rocking 1950X in 2023 @ RTX 3080.
Always wanted to do a build with that. I love the symmetry of 4 channel.
Cautiously optimistic about this one, they could easily rug pull again
Thanks Steve!
It's about damn time.
I enjoy your videos a lot more than some of the other channels because you explain it in a way that normal everyday people can understand. You don't try to talk above your viewers and spout out these crazy numbers and terms that most people don't get Appreciate it Paul.
Keep on keeping my brother.
God bless you.😊
Kind of surprised there are no c-core variants on the pro lineup to bring the core count up to 128-192 cores.
Even still, this is a huge win for both AMD and customers who need either one of these platforms.
Epyc
Its too new, thats why its debuting in laptops first for any type of mainstream platform. I imagine going forward more products will have c cores. All those cores are a premium resource right now. Bergamo is still a low volume product
@2.48 in the Video , to make it clear , its not only 48 PciE Lanes , its 92/88 PciE Lanes usable , 48 of them PciE 5.0 . If i have to guess , its because to make the Motherboard cheaper . More PCIE 5 Lanes = more complex , more Layers , more Pcie redrivers , more shielding = higher Price .
Yesss, I can start day dreaming about upgrading my unraid server again. 7970x here I come.... eventually... probably not. But I can dream.
Still too pricey for the non-pro versions to me. But glad we have TR again regardless.
I'm so glad that they brought this back, but I can't help but be a bit disappointed by the 48 pcie lanes. My old TR1950X lives on as an esxi server and I use all of those lanes. 64 would have been preferred.
It’s only 48 gen 5 lanes you still get like 40 gens 4 lanes
I still have to admit that I would love to have/build a threadripper pc. just because.
Thanks for the video! "vaguely obsessive" was a fun one.
I will be interested to see what kind of prices the TR will be in Canada, we always pay a lot more here.
I priced out TR and TRPro systems earlier this year and they were just too expensive especially for old tech with DDR4 and PCIe4.
So instead I built an Intel Xeon W7-2495X 24-Core 48-Thread, ASUS Pro WS W790 ACE, 512GB DDR5 RDIMM, ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090 24GB, WD SN850X system for almost half the price.
Looking at the TR 7960X 24-Core specs and price, it looks like I made the right choice. The W7 is 64 PCIe5 Lanes and 225W TDP. The TR will be at least $2500 CAD as well.
AMD's Epyc lineup is what you probably should be looking at. TR seems geared towards specific types of workloads where they end up paying for themselves. And of course, AMD would not want TR to compete with Epyc.
4:20 Remember when DDR3 and DDR4 didnt care if you were using UDIMM(in both ECC and non ECC variants) or RDIMM fully buffered ECC, and you could choose between wicked fast consumer DDR5,, not quite as fast ECC-UDIMM that at least gave you some bit correction and detection or pretty slow comparatively fully buffered RDIMM
If I wasn't content with my X670E system (I used to run a 3960X system, now with a 7900X) the new 24-core is almost the same price as what I used to have and it would likely be what I'd get. I ended up selling my Threadripper system to a friend as a server for FoundryVTT, Minecraft, and some VM work. These systems can do a lot and pack a lot of horse power, and the 24-core has been the best bang for the buck for several generations now, it seems.
So many cores, I love it!
@ydky2864
This is noobs only, they never need many Core
6 Ghz on new Core 7 is the best, 2 DIMS 8000, only one NMVe is THAT best.
Why need need it, running what ?
Stay away from AMD - remember that infamous TRX40 "long term support promise" that they LIED so hard with. ONE(!!!) CPU release then....NOTHING. Talk about backstabbing your ENTIRE HEDT userbase !!!
@@ChrisM541 You again? Need I remind you that Intel currently offers precisely ZERO options? So if people need HEDT AMD is their only choice.
@@andersjjensen Let me simplify this for AMD 'firefighters' like you since you clearly have difficulty understanding...
1) If AMD told the TRUTH, that they were only going to release ONE CPU series for TRX40, then the following, naturally, would occur...
---> NO ENTHUSIAST WOULD PURCHASE TRX40 !!!!
---> WE'LL ASSUME YOU 'GET IT' NOW !!!!
---> WE'LL ASSUME YOU HAVE NO ANSWER TO THAT !!!!
7970X please. I had a dream build planned out before the pandemic. Stupid pandemic.
I would never tell anyone I won the lotto… but there will be hints.
AMD: "Say hello to my little friend"
@IronmanV5
FABLESS, lil nameless friends are TSMC ! you need TSMC stickers ?
Oh wow. I finally gave in and upgraded from my 1950x to a 7950x back in March(ish?). I kind of wish I'd waited another year! Having said that I can see a few potential issues here. Until Ryzen and the 1950x I bought came out, mainstream CPUs were quad core so the 1950x was 4x as many cores as the best offering until Ryzen.
Now that non-HEDT ryzens are 16 cores, without the issues/complexity around numa that I had with my 1950x,
I bought HEDT because I actually cores for video encoding, I buy a lot of blurays and encode them for my NAS so HEDT with limited PCIE lanes compared to "Pro" isn't an issue so more cores matter, but the other stuff: 8 channel RAM, PCIE lanes, is irrelevant. Would I actually spend that much on a CPU though? Probably not|.
We already know how expensive x670 motherboards are... how much are these more complex yet much lower economy of scale boards going to be? As someone who bought 1st gen Threadripper on launch day I'm just not sure that there is enough market segmentation between Ryzen, Threadripper and Threadripper Pro here.
Hmm just got into threadripper with a 3960X, probably could have gotten a better deal if this announcement was a week earlier LUL
Enough of this "Pro" marketing, I want an "Amateur" product line of...something
this is a cool thing eager to see some content on
I love my 3970x and happy with productivity. I was hoping to upgrade next year but ROI just isn't there yet to justify the costs. Hopefully price will come down later next year. Thanks for the updates.
Funny seeing Solidworks on that application list.. still firmly a single core package. 😂
A lot of the rendering software benefits a lot more from a beefy GPU as well.
I'm curious, Paul--what is your production build? I remember Steve at HUB using a Threadripper-based machine for his production needs, although I don't know if that's still true.
What's the best use-case for these CPUs? It's definitely not gaming.
Finally ! Thanks Paul !
Please tell us about the RAM capacities. You mentioned RDIMMs, but Threadripper was originally limited to 256GB whereas Pro supported multiple TB. Is it still the same? And please do a build.
QuentinStephens
Tell, what is the system running, learn to ask a question you do need !
10k plus internet connections, cloud solution.
Or DOOM on RTX ?
DOOM, just 6ghz on 4 cores the best, 2 x 8000 on XMP
Less parts = faster for FPS shooter, need that ?
Cloud solutions need ECC !
According to AMD's info, Threadripper Pro supports up to 2TB of DDR5, and Threadripper non-pro supports up to 1TB
@@paulshardware Thanks. Keep up the good work.
it was in the video at 4:06
@@Dark.SyndicateClearly I missed it, but it's of significance, not a blink-and-you-miss-it thing.
0:10 so where is nowhere. I have never been nowhere.😂 Thank you for your wonderful videos. ❤
Sweet!!! Soon I will be able to upgrade my system to play Solitaire.
So, any Chance you might get the opportunity to build and test such a beast of a system, even if only for a review? 😀
Remember when HEDT was expensive but not clearly out of reach for private users? When X99 was released, even as a college professor I was able to buy into it with a Core i7 6850K (four memory channels, 40 PCIe lanes), and it's been a wonderful system (I'm typing this post on it). I paid roughly double what a mainstream Core i7 system would have cost at the time. We don't know yet what platform pricing will be, but does anybody think it will be less than roughly triple an AM5 7950X system? That said, if I were to build a new PC in 2024 to last me for five years, it might be a Threadripper system. I'll start gathering up the sofa change.
Stay away from AMD - remember that infamous TRX40 "long term support promise" that they LIED so hard with. ONE(!!!) CPU release then....NOTHING. Talk about backstabbing your ENTIRE HEDT userbase !!!
HEDT was inexpensive back before mainstream encroached heavily on HEDT territory. This is literally an expensive EPYC chip that AMD is willing to take a hair cut on just to offer it as a product.
@@ChrisM541 Shout out for that long term Itanium support
Well in a lot of cases the 3990X wasn't much slower than the 5995WX, for example 3D rendering.
We have one of these and ended up splitting it up into 8x render instances for doing 2d renders like AE/Nuke. It's really amazing.
U'r welcome Paul ! hey Paul? thanks!
So good time to upgrade to the threadripper pro for my forrnite/minecraft PC?
@0Gumpy0
16 minutes ago
forrnite/minecraft PC?
Need 400 FPS ? What monitor, small ??? 12 bit HDR levels ? 4k ?????
Core 7, 8000 2 DIMMS, one NVMe, RTX40xx fancy card !
NON AMD SYSTEM CAN DO THAT FASTER
Can't wait to see City Skylines II benchmarks on the new threadeippers.
Cool to see a new TR CPU in there that's at least comparable to a normal desktop CPU in price per core. Extra lanes would be nice.
This makes the nerd in me very happy. These high end systems start all sorts of crazy builds going in my brain. Thanks for the info dump!
Nice to see TR back!
The 48 PCIe lanes you mention are gen 5 lanes. They have a LOT of PCIe lanes.
The Pro platform has a total of 144 PCIe lanes with up to 128 being gen 5.
The non-pro platform has a total of 88 PCIe lanes with up to 48 being gen 5.
How many of them can be gen 4 doesn't seem to be spelled out anywhere. It could be 40 on the non-pro platform (48 gen 5 + 40 gen 4 = 88 lanes in total) it could be far less. Either way, it is incorrect to claim that it only has 48 PCIe lanes without specifying that it is 48 gen 5 PCIe lanes.
Especially when AM5 has a maximum of 24 PCIe 5 lanes and Intels platform is a maximum of 20 PCIe lanes.
Do traditional coolers work on these bad boys?
What we really want is that 24 core with as much 3d cache can fit on the cpu. Let’s see what we can do with half a gig to a full gig of cache 😂
That's what epyc is for
Epyc already has this.
So, now it's just a waiting game to see which of my favorite techtubers is the first to do a new Threadripper build video...
While I won't be spending my own money on this, my job will be footing the bill for this Threadripper gen. I do 3D animations and Vray renderings so this will eventually pay for itself. I can't wait to see how fast I can render with this.
I build myself a pc for graduation with my engineering degree and I always dreamed of a thread ripper pc, but I just went with my 7950x3d and 4090. 😂 maybe one day I’ll do it
Thank you Paul, great job as always. I am looking forward to the next Gen AMD desktop CPU's that will do fine for my more modest computing requirements hi.
Nice! Id like to get one someday , so hype 🎉
I had a TR2 which was great but then AMD went bananas with the pricing. I have a 7950x at the moment. Actually thinking of going with Intel for next build which is crazy, but I am kinda mad at AMD for padding profit margins so much
Extreme platforms now have too many cores to properly cool, so the clocks are too slow to be competitive in gaming plus considering I'm not aware of any game that utilizes >8 cores.
Yeah, if you're getting one of these monsters, you're doing it for productivity workloads.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 .. My point is back in the day of LGA 2011. You could have your cake and eat it too, but now that's not so much the case. That's my only point.
Lol getting one of these for gaming,
But I doubt more than maybe a dozen cores would be doing much if anything during the time this cpu is relevant if you are gaming, so maybe it will be fine for gaming unless you are trying to game while you are doing some big productivity task at the same time.
@@adamhero459 .. That's not true. The CPU is still very relevant. The "extreme consumer" platform dried up nearly a decade ago. If I could get a 40 core 6 GHz CPU for under $2,000 I would buy it .. they don't exist.
they cut down the pcie lanes too much if you ask me, the point of hedt is the massive expansion potential in my opinion
I know the 7950X doesn't go for near it's MSRP because it's been out for so long, but MSRP vs MSRP the per-core markup isn't actually that bad on the 7960X. It's $44 vs $63, but the 7960X also has a honking big I/O die with a bazillion SATA links and what not.
It's not entirely fair comparing the pricing to 2017 prices. The current nodes cost a lot more than then, and we're in post shortage pricing still in some markets which affects material costs for just about everything. Throw in the wars in Asia and the Middle East and things cost more to make than ever before.
👍🏾, thanks for the info
Paul, when you calculate price per core you should count in price for whole system. You cant run Vray rendering just on CPU, you need motherboard, ram and other stuff. When you count in all parts the difference is much smaller.
We're not all high End Desktop enthusiasts - I'm a sober End Desktop enthusiast.
Did Joe have to edit in a "five Thousand dollars" or was that a glitch in the matrix?
that was a poorly done last-minute edit by me, lol
24 or 16 Cores, low cas quad channel memory. Now we just need x3d threadripper.
That should be able to run Solitaire with no problems.😆
Thank You!
Bonus Tech News on a Thursday! Must be my unbirthday. :)
It's probably so niche it wasn't selling to the normal user, hence the pre-built only.
Can someone tell me why i dont have that new motion fluid option in my adrenaline program for my Rx 6600? I thought 6000 series will be supported too...
Well, they were correct. I'll have to buy the Pro versions since I need those 8 channels for memory. Not looking forward to what the price tag is going to be.
I can here ABBA playing in the background, 'in a rich mans world'
To make the math correct, *The 7980X should be $4,499 !!!*
I've used threadripper in the past and would consider doing so again but i got burned by the platform change from tr 4 to strx4 so may hold off until AMD's long term plans are clear. Besides. My 7900x is doing just fine.
i wonder if jays gonna change his setup, again 😂😂😂
Awesome news!!
Thanks Paul! I was considering building a Threadripper 7000 setup but not at those prices. My Threadripper 2950X is relegated to my bicycle trainer computer now as it is slow compared to the 5950X and 7950X systems I also ahve.
Oh no, and I just bought 14th gen!.... i kid i kid. Only 8th gen folks are upgrading and maybe not even them
Alright Eminem. I know it when i hear it.
I’m still salty tr4 was abandoned.. my current 1950x will be with me till it dies
At that point intel x99 was still better threadripper didn't fully surpass intel for hedt till the threadripper 3000 series
@@superheracross89 when the 1950x dropped I was 3 rd on Linus’s cinebench chart.. 3rd.. sure that didn’t last long but I feel think they could’ve done a lil more with the x399 platform
What are you doing it’s not Sunday but glad 😅
I lost all 'heart & mind' in AMD after what they did to us TRX40 owners!
They literally lied so damn hard in publicly stating a "long term support promise" - many like me bought into that and purchased an expensive system. Fast forward and the ONLY CPU releases for TRX40 was the original three Zen2 models. I, like so many in a similar position, am utterly and completely disgusted by AMD. Talk about stabbing your own userbase in the back !!!
not sure if it's worth for gamers can you please run some benchmarls to compare them with R9 7950x PLEASEEEEEEEEEE! Thank you Paul.
😃Games only use about 8 cores at most, lol.
Paul question since there's always pro models if they made an amateur model would it be easier to use 🤔 😅
The lack of 8 channel memory on the non pro is a bummer
Got burned not getting a promised upgrade path previous gen , and those prices are disgusting
It would be very hard to convince my wife that I need a $5k processor knowing that I also need to spend another $3k to $4k for the parts to make it all work. 🤣 Usually my personal computer builds they last for several years before building a new one. I may end up building it from secondary markets down the line. I am still happy with my Ryzen 9 5950X setup.
keyboard model ?? 🤔
Thanks for the video. I guess I have to put it all into the perspective of history. In the 1980s I paid a similar amount of money for an IBM PC with an single core, 16 bit, 4 mhz processor, 64k of ram, a HD that wouldn't even hold windows today, etc. By comparison this is cheap. 😂
the only real question is why you would go for 4 chan mem when you can go with 8 chan - just to overclock? 8 channel will still rule the roost - the 16 core zen5 will be enough for 99% and will be the way to go in a year esp with 3d cache versions
It boils down to use case. If your application isn’t maxing out 4 channels of memory, spending significantly more money on an 8 channel platform is just wasteful.
It’s kind of the same reason the Pro version goes all the way down to 12 cores. Some use cases require a lot of I/O (whether that’s memory bandwidth or PCIe lanes) and not a ton of compute.
@@benjaminlynch9958 its like the 8k tv. not that many use case and probably won't sell good. its more for advertising.
@@benjaminlynch9958 this content affects less than 1% of the audience so largely is irrelevant - people who have real needs should wit for next gen epyc with zen5 cores over new ripper iterations - ipc could be 20% or more on some workloads - that makes it no brainer as price per core will be similar? wait and see all the parts actually benched before making any decisions - the best advice
Sweet!!! 🤘
how many fps can i get with an rgb thread ripper pro in cs2???
WHERE ARE THE MOTHERBOARDS??
Has the infamous Event ID 56 - ACPI 15 complete system crash in both Windows 10 and 11 been solved already or is the Threadripper 5000 and 7000 series still affected by this extremely annoying bug ?
Aaaaaaand... No one cared.
Seriously, there wasnt much fanfare or excitement for these kinds of chips back when they launched in 2017 due to the price of the chips (and insanely priced motherboards)
and then... higher core desktop cpus started to appear (like 12-16 core cpus) and so AMD killed Threadripper by itself in the foot.
And then EPYC appeared and even went onto the 2nd hand market, killing it even more.
The main reason for TR is the memory bandwith if your workload needs it. If all you need is lots of Cores, its a hard to swallow pill
Interesting and cool, but unaffordable and niche. Nice to see however for anyone who can and does.
God damn, 350 Watts on the 64 core version? That's almost as hot as the 14900k.
yeah but 10x more powerful 😁
nice
As soon as they said yet another new socket, I said fail. No sale.
Does it go in a Threadripper socket? No. An AM5 socket. No.
it's neither this nor that.