Oh my god, it’s almost as if Kawhi’s role on the team is to be the number 1 scoring option with secondary playmaking duties. How shocking that a player in a team sport would have a defined role
Kawhi the only one who shouldn’t have been in that convo lol. He literally took the raptors and won a chip everyone on that squad was playing at a high level when he was there and they had a decent year after he left. Which is a tail tail sign he made them better
Elevate doesn’t mean to pass the ball , he’s talking about being someone Like lebron James . Making your teammates better . Like a Stephen curry , dwade,
Are we not gonna talk about how bro said we have 3 great players in the nba kawhi Davis and Harden where kd curry giannis lebron jokic embiid to this guy
@@JaredTSM this is late but if I’m not mistaken the raptors were easily one of the best teams in the East for years and made it to the ECF multiple times before kawhi got there , people act like kawhi completely turned that team around like they weren’t already a great team
@@zaire2346 I mean they were also known as playoff choker before he was there too. The raptors were literally treated like how the Jazz are now very good regular season team can get you wins but won’t do shit in the playoffs which still holds true because the year he left they lost in the second round. They weren’t winning before and aren’t winning after him. Now I will say he wasn’t carrying them cause Kyle, Fred,OG,Green, Ibaka,Gasol, and Siakam were all very solid that year but the raptors needed someone to get them over the hump which was Kawhi
@@bme4449 hes a great player he makes team better by being on them sure but who does he elevate? Like say CP3 elevate every big man he plays with he sets up his shooters, same thing with harden an his bigs , draymond an steph elevate eachothers abilties. Im not disrespecting kawhi but telle who he elevates an how ?
@@DonnSinatra You don't have to be a playmaker specifically to elevate your teammates. Setting up shooters isn't elevating your teammates it just gives them wide open shots. Elevating your teammates is suggesting how others can get better and perform better. And even with your logic, kawhi provides a ton of space for his teammates to operate and he's a good passer.
@@sharpkidthugga7980 no he thought durant was just gonna be an average role player you don't get picked number 2 overall because people think will just be another wing guy
@@ViSiAwDay 2015 warriors got lucky cavs were injured 2016- cavs got lucky draymon got suspended 2017- warriors got lucky kawhi got injured 2018- warriors got lucky CP3 was injured 2019- raps got lucky with injuries 2020- lakers got lucky Miami was injured and were in a bubble 2021- bucks got lucky nets were injured In conclusion, you can make an excuse for every teams championship, doesn’t make the chip less valid
Elevating other could literally mean you shoot and get your team tons of points which makes the guys who were decent at threes work hard to be able to make their threes when you need them too and then make the guys who are decent at rebounding become great at rebounding to get you more shots and thus making the team better
I think elevating others is not about what happens only on the court I mean for sure what happens on the court is certainly important but it's about the mindset that you have. I'm sure that in the locker room or even in the timeouts in Toronto he was not vocal he was not the leader of the team but Kyle Lowry was the leader. So in my opinion kyle was the 1 and kwahi was 2 he was for sure 1 on the court in term of who takes the last shot but overall he wasn't the 1
I somewhat agree with Colin. He's speaking on a team needing a leader that every teammate can rally behind. Duncan, and then Lowry was the "leaders" of Kawhis rings. Although Leonard was clearly the best player by far in both situations, he really has never been that "captain". As a rockets fan I still love harden, but I feel like his "lazy" stigma has put off teammates. And with AD, that dude just has to stay healthy. Hard to lead your team when you're out half the games.
@Quentin Coberley no no one thinks kawhi and tim duncan are the same mentally kawhi literally isn’t a leader he just leads with his play but he’s not someone that you want to go to war for someone that makes you feel like you can beat anyone he’s not that guy
Putting kawhi in the same sentence as harden and Ad is completely disrespectful. The warriors broke the code and ruined this guys legacy. He’s the 2nd best in the generation behind lebron imo
bro this is a team sport you shouldnt have one guy rebounding playmaking and scorring as great as lebron is his playstyle is the reason he came up short cause it is unnecessarily tuff to do that especially in the best league thats why i admire guys like steph kd kawhi kobe jordan they have a designated role in the offense they can average 10 assists per game but their role is to move the ball and score kerrs offense nick nurses offense phil jacksons offense they all had 3-4 guys averaging 6 assists meaning it is not a westbrook drive and kick assist everytime or a james harden ball hoging bail-out passes i see the same shit on luka and obviously lebron theses guys they get the rebound dribble up to court isolate if they can score they score when they cant they pass and most of the passes arent that hard for a midschooler let alone nba talent. and the second guys i name their scoring is limited the best of that bunch james harden he lacks midrange has no finishing move on the basket rather than left hand layups and occasional dunks (no right hand, literally never seen him hit layups like a steph or kyrie) he isnt as efficient as the first group of guys i named but when i watch the kobe mj kd steph kawhi these guys not only score with the ball they score without the ball and they do it efficiently yes the styles differ mj was a mid range or finish type steph is more of a three or drive type kd is more like do it all . But for them i can remember seing them hit floaters hit midrange j's threepoint shots great use of off hand shots they had a huge arsenal of moves so they score 30 with 5 assists with high efficiency low usage where as westbrook harden would miss shots in a row only to pass next posetion to get an additional asssist with high usage they end up with 30pts 10ass on low efficiency and high usages.
He was the big reason for those chips. He made it tough for LeBron and his impact on the raptors help. U take klaw out and right now the raptors is not good that is saying something
Do people not understand that not having the ball in your hand all the time is another form of elevating others and allowing for teammates to “do their thing”. I’m mean simply look at Kawhi’s usage rate compared to his production on the court. It’s insane. Compared to other players who have the same usage rate as him it’s not even close. Last season he ranked 22nd in the league in terms of usage rate usage rate. His own teammate Paul George had a higher usage rate than him. Not having the ball in your hands as much as you should is elevating your teammates because it allows for others to get more involved in the game. To make it even better when Kawhi does get the ball he’s efficient in terms of scoring so this narrative makes no sense to me
Yall clearly misinterpreted what he meant by elevating others he meant that kawhi isnt a leader and doesnt have leadership qualities on toronto lowry was the leader and with the spurs is duncan
I think Kawhi didn’t elevate his teammates during that championship run Kyle Lowry was the one saying “we need to play better” and was encouraging, he was the heart of that championship
@@D34N-34 you can talk all you want but you actually need to perform in games to win & not just run your mouth. It was Kawhi dropping bucket after bucket on the entire 76ers team that won them that series & the championship. I bet if it was Derozan instead of Kawhi, the Raptors were getting swept against the Sixers. Lowry's leadership wouldn't do shit then.
No he is right about elavating others lol the raptors were already making the playoffs so imagine swapping deroazen with kawai and then kd and klay got injured so they had another advantage
Elevating as in in he plays his role perfect I totally agree but he definitely didn’t just make the raptors 2019. I’ve been a fan for years and we were a consistent one seed but ran into LeBron. He’s not just carrying people to chips now lmao
Lol he won a championship? Are you kidding me? Why don't you tell the people how he won it? If that was LeBron James, everyone would be laughing at that championship.
Nah bruh. I consider myself an Avid nba fan(just gotta trust my word). But I gotta agree with Collin on this one. Yeah Dude won a championship, but Kyle Lowry “elevated” others. Lowry was the leader. Kawhi was the talent AND the first option on that team. But not their leader.
Playmaking isn’t elevating others. The way you go hard, your emotion, the way you practice, the way you encourage people when things are going bad. There’s even more ways that you can elevate others.. you should have learned that from backyard basketball ..
The medias agenda to make lebrons playmaking so special is fckin hilarious. Lebron cant even elevate his team. He makes his teammates better? Oh yeah? they're in the fucking dump right now. And guess what everytime he wins a championship he's got a stacked team. Durant, Kawhi, Steph couldve won championship with lebrons championship winning teams.
He's just wrong. Kawhi is a good and willing passer and playmaker he doesn't force anything. Same goes for James harden. And AD is a big man why tf would you want your big to make plays for the others
True but I do agree to a degree harden isn’t a leader that elevates his team Kawhi is he lead the raptors who were already a good team to a great team and won a chip that’s elevation harden on the other hand doesn’t make the team better the rockets is a perfect example players like Kobe mike and lebron have the ability to make the teams championship teams just look at mikes documentary he made his team champions that’s a difference harden or KD couldn’t do that they aren’t leaders just great players individually they do bad one night the whole team suffers
Nobody said anything about playmaking being what Cowherd is talking about. However, the term “elevate his teammates” is way too broad of a term to use as a legitimate argument, especially because there’s not really any physical evidence to quantify a player making their teammates better other than assists, and the offensive and defensive rating when said player is on the floor compared to when they aren’t. And even then, that’s not even a surfer way to quantify it. And as for how Kawhii, he’s the first scoring option and the guy you call on to make stops, so as to elevating teammates, that’s not his role. And he only won a championship on teams that were already fine without him. He joined the spurs dynasty and won with Ginobli, Duncan, and Parker. After that, he didn’t win anymore chips after he was the leader of that spurs team. In Toronto, he didn’t necessarily elevate his teammates. They went crazy on their own. I’m not saying he doesn’t elevate his teammates. I’m just saying it’s too broad of a term to quantify effectively
This is the thinking Twitter uses to say that LeBron doesn’t make his teammates better. They think it’s just raw stats while ignoring roles & the efficiency of the offense as a whole. Kawhi makes weaker defenders better. No, he is not an elite playmaker, but that’s never really been his game to begin with. It’s why he doesn’t play PG, lol.
Three great players who are top talents but can't lead a team. Exactly the thing he was talking about. You think he is saying these guys are better than Giannis and KD and cant be number ones?
Pretty much every single Raptor credits Kawhi to being a major reason they won, they all said he brought that confidence and that presence where they all believed it was possible behind Kawhi, I HATE the narrative that Kawhi doesn’t elevate teammates when the only reason my team won a championship was behind the leadership of Kyle Lowry and the confidence of Kawhi Lenard pushing his teammates
Kawhi really doesn’t elevate others. He plays good defense and is phenomenal one v one. He won 2 championships too. One was legit, the other cause KD got hurt.
Bro like Zach Lavine and Demar derozen aren’t spanking these teams with elite level players? The bulls are the best example of players elevating their teammates.
I don’t disagree actually, say what you want, you can feed the false narrative that he “won the raptors a championship”, nah, the raptors had been in contention for years. Kawhi isn’t a leader and it shows, with the spurs he had Duncan, in Toronto Lowry was the leader, not Kawhi, and now he is struggling heavily. I’m not saying Kawhi hurts his teammates, but I don’t see how he elevates them, I think he is a number 1 option, but he needs a guy that can lead and rally the team because he is incapable, and I think that’s the point cowherd is trying to make
Colin hit the money with this. Playmaking isn’t the way to elevate your team. Chris Paul is a 1 because he elevates any team he’s with. Doesn’t matter what team. He might be the 3rd best scorer (In Avg Points for the season) on the roster, but that’s because he’s elevating everyone else.
These two are missing Colin’s point. If they can’t elevate others or create for others, the teams risks losing when it wavers. It’s a legit criticism of their basketball value compared to other elite players. The other players provide more.
@Quentin Coberley Bruh, he's nowhere near the playmaker or distributor that others are. His career high in assists is what, 5 per game? And he got that how many years into his career? No, he's a great two way player, but his most successful teams always have other players feeding him as part of the offense. By comparison, a player like LBJ literally IS the offense because he can pass and score and move without the ball at an elite level. Kawhi has never thrived in a situation like that.
@Quentin Coberley First, Kyle Lowry was a multi-year All-Star before Kawhi arrived, and they were a perennial playoff team. And if not for injuries and LeBron leaving the East, that Toronto team does not win a championship. Second, Russell Westbrook is a bad example here, as his teammates consistently are better. Paul George and Carmelo Anthony and others all experienced solid statistical seasons with Westbrook at the point guard. Westbrook's struggles are that he cannot shoot and his triple-doubles are meaningless because his defense is terrible and his rebounds were fed to him. Third, I definitely will agree that LeBron isn't as good a defensive player as Kawhi, but you're talking the difference between Elite (Kawhi) and still very good (LeBron); it's closer than you're giving credit, considering LeBron, at 37, is still averaging over a steal and block per game. Fourth, Kobe and MJ both played on teams that could survive without them on the floor. For MJ, the clear evidence is that he was on a playoff team that still made it without him. It doesn't speak to their "ability to be a teammate" if their teams were still good without them; it speaks to having a solid supporting cast and smart front office. And that's the argument that Colin is making. Elite players win regardless of their supporting casts because their skillset subsidizes weak areas. Kawhi does not do that beyond being an efficient scorer and elite defender. He still NEEDS someone to be the main ball handler. He still NEEDS someone to create shots for him. He still NEEDS someone to guard and/or play center. LBJ does not. You give him or even KD potentially a crap roster and it's not an unfair bet they can win 50 games. Kawhi has never played on a team that he had to carry, and as such, it's a fair criticism that he is a solid #2, or at least, needs a lot of team support for him to be a #1.
@@wowsadowsa nah man injuries are apart of the game. I don’t see people discrediting the warriors in 2016 or 2018 nor do people discredit the Laker or Bucks for the last 2 years injured are part of the game. Second the raptors were known playoff chokers b4 Kawhi they were losing DeMar wasn’t gonna help them in 2019 especially not with the historic run Kawhi had to do just for them to win. Third It not a legit criticism Kawhi shouldn’t have to be a playmaker his job is to literally score and defend.
I'm sorry but like Kawhi lead the raptors to a chip against the greatest dynasty arguably in nba history so 🤷 if he doesn't elevate others I really don't know man
He doesn't make people better. He makes people job easier sometimes but he doesn't make them better. On a well established team he can easily be the missing piece and make you a contender example Toronto. But as of right now on the clippers it showed when he played. It seemed like they were missing a playmaker or someone that can make the game easier for others. That's why you seen majority of the time Paul George is in that role because Kawhi is not that. They even brought in Reggie Jackson and Rondo because there's no one that makes the game easier for others.
Y'all downplay the fact that he was a role player when he won a chip on the Spurs . And the raptors where the number one seed the yr before he came. He basically just replaced DeRozan
He won a championship on a team that was first in its conference the year before he got there, & traded for him for a single star & a few insignificant bench players & or prospects. To act as if Leonard won a chip on a team that wouldn’t have won or competed for one without him if not for LBJ being in the conference is simply stupid. Not to mention, he didn’t have to go thru lbj when he did join the team, meaning it’s very easy to say, the raptors would’ve made the finals even without the trade that year. Not to mention if klay doesn’t get hurt they don’t even beat the KD less warriors. Him not elevating other is literally a fact, that raptors team had a better record with him than with him.
People who say lowry led the raptors didn't watch a single raptors game. It was so obvious that kawhi was the leader everyone who watched them saw that.
Because he only won one championship this guy's telling the absolute truth y'all just need to accept it because if he was playing on the level that he should be he'll have multiple championships not just one.
So then let me ask if you had to pick out of 2 teams with only one superstar. Are you picking the team with the elite passer that gets everyone involved or the team with the guy that has horrible stat teammates and is the only reliable scorer?
@@jerellebowens4367 yes he can. He was the first option on that Houston team that should have beat the stacked warriors team with curry, kd, klay, draymond. They would have won in 6 if cp3 didn’t get injured
@@itz_ethan. 19’ warriors didn’t have Cousins and KD for game 6 and we still mopped the floor with harden💀 stop making excuses, if he could be the first scoring option on a championship team he would’ve done it by now.
Kawhi doesn’t elevate others. He’s the best mid range player, the best defender and top 3 player in the league. But he doesn’t have any traits of a captain. Yes the raptors won the chip. They won without having to go 7 games against Klay and KD. And they were a better team than what we gave them credit for. OG, Vanvleet, Siakam, and Lowry is a hell of a team.
Kawhi played with elite All NBA playmakers in Tony Parker and Kyle Lowry on his championship teams. Why should he have to play a role that a teammate can thrive in
He should with the clipper. The fact is that he can’t. He’s not a great playmaker. Average. And it’s even being the leader of the team, not only playmaking.
Nawh y’all definitely wrong kawhi is great but his play style isn’t conducive to making others better, in Toronto he had an amazing cast around him. He’s not doing what nikola or lebron do it’s different styles
Just passing guys the ball for a open shot doesn’t only classify as making them better where do y’all arrive at these false narratives .. kawhi out of all top 10 players in the league has the lowest usage rate on the same production which means he allows his teammates opportunities to score and play make in the offense because he doesn’t often need the ball to be effective like Lebron and Jokic.. so stop it his off ball play and gravity alone alows his teammate to be better and his defense is miles ahead of jokic and Lebron allowing his teammates opportunities to make plays in defense with his presence so again your not making sense
He won a championship with one of the greatest dynasties ever. The Toronto run was unbelievably lucky. Kawhi ain’t winning no title against the warriors healthy.
I mean most of the warriors rings have been against unhealthy teams. 2015 every starting Pg they played against that run was hurt not to mention Kyrie Love hurt in the finals 2017 they hurt Kawhi for the spurs who was top 3 in MVP voting and beating that same team the game he got hurt by a lot 2018 CP3 gets hurt Shoot the last two rings must’ve been luck since we accounting injuries 2020 Lakers beat an unhealthy Heat team which took them to 6 games 2021 Bucks beat a Injured Nets team with 2/3 stars hurt. Injuries always been apart of the game if we using luck for 2019 I hope you say the same for the others
Oh my god, it’s almost as if Kawhi’s role on the team is to be the number 1 scoring option with secondary playmaking duties. How shocking that a player in a team sport would have a defined role
He don't though
@@versefourtymusic casual
Not going to lie, without Kawhi on the Champion raptors, I think Pascal potential would not been unlocked…..
@@cammartin7009 Siakim ain't hittin on shit lol
They say that because he doesn't have any character 🤷🏿♂️ he's a robot
Elevating others isn't just talking about playmaking it's about being a leader more then anything and nun of those guys fit that category
I think it's funny that people think that playmaker is the only way you help your teamates.
You can’t elevate others when you’re on the bench is what I think is his point .
Kawhi the only one who shouldn’t have been in that convo lol. He literally took the raptors and won a chip everyone on that squad was playing at a high level when he was there and they had a decent year after he left. Which is a tail tail sign he made them better
This dude on this show is crazy and trust me it gets worst when he talks about the NFL.
surpised he could name 3 nba players
Elevate doesn’t mean to pass the ball , he’s talking about being someone
Like lebron James . Making your teammates better . Like a Stephen curry , dwade,
I mean the raptors thing he didnt carry. It was LOWRYS team before Kawhi
Lowrys failed team
He just needed attention 🤗🤣
Lol. Yeah led the Raptors to a Finals W against the Golden State Hospital. 😂😂😂
Are we not gonna talk about how bro said we have 3 great players in the nba kawhi Davis and Harden where kd curry giannis lebron jokic embiid to this guy
This take that kawhi won the raptors a championship is so bs it’s crazy how much credit people give kawhi for that raptors championship
Then who did win it for them?
@@JaredTSM this is late but if I’m not mistaken the raptors were easily one of the best teams in the East for years and made it to the ECF multiple times before kawhi got there , people act like kawhi completely turned that team around like they weren’t already a great team
@@zaire2346 I mean they were also known as playoff choker before he was there too. The raptors were literally treated like how the Jazz are now very good regular season team can get you wins but won’t do shit in the playoffs which still holds true because the year he left they lost in the second round. They weren’t winning before and aren’t winning after him. Now I will say he wasn’t carrying them cause Kyle, Fred,OG,Green, Ibaka,Gasol, and Siakam were all very solid that year but the raptors needed someone to get them over the hump which was Kawhi
I just lost every ounce of respect for Colin
Lost it years ago when he said Klay Thompson is Dwyane Wade with a three point shot.
Giannis curry
He won the finals by himself I think you can rely on him
He had at least two All-NBA players on both teams so I wouldn’t say by himself but he was amazing
Kawhi doesn’t elevate any teammates bruh
Delusional bruh
@@bme4449 hes a great player he makes team better by being on them sure but who does he elevate? Like say CP3 elevate every big man he plays with he sets up his shooters, same thing with harden an his bigs , draymond an steph elevate eachothers abilties. Im not disrespecting kawhi but telle who he elevates an how ?
@@DonnSinatra You don't have to be a playmaker specifically to elevate your teammates. Setting up shooters isn't elevating your teammates it just gives them wide open shots. Elevating your teammates is suggesting how others can get better and perform better. And even with your logic, kawhi provides a ton of space for his teammates to operate and he's a good passer.
@@bme4449 i agree which is why i added draymond who energy alone brings out the best in his teammates , can someone just answer my quest
@@bme4449 what logic? I named players that elevate their teammates , like i said kawhi makes a team better sure but he doesnt make teammates better
This is exactly why I don’t watch espn or any sports talk show really. It’s just people making outlandish statements in order to get clicks smh.
Cowherd has always been tripping with his takes ge said durant would be just another wing player before he was drafted
bruh we never seen anything like a 7 footer who’s ungardable and has guard handles
virtually everybody said that
@@sharpkidthugga7980 no he thought durant was just gonna be an average role player you don't get picked number 2 overall because people think will just be another wing guy
I mean people can be wrong lol when you’re predicting it’s bound to happen
He's pretty tame compared to Stephen A and Shannon sharp
Dude is th first option on offense and defense , he literally makes everybody else's job much easier
I agree with the injury part because he’s really injury prone but i have four words for elevating teammates. Raptors in the finals - 2019
Won a championship not just in a finals
Yeah that team was excellent it wasn’t just kawhi elevating people. The team was stacked. It’s not like lebron in 2018
@@YungG17 sure it was a stacked team but Toronto was never able to get to the promise land until kawhi came
They got lucky with kd and klay getting hurt
@@ViSiAwDay
2015 warriors got lucky cavs were injured
2016- cavs got lucky draymon got suspended
2017- warriors got lucky kawhi got injured
2018- warriors got lucky CP3 was injured
2019- raps got lucky with injuries
2020- lakers got lucky Miami was injured and were in a bubble
2021- bucks got lucky nets were injured
In conclusion, you can make an excuse for every teams championship, doesn’t make the chip less valid
The raptors title is an example of how crucial kawhi was to that team
They were still great the year after but not as good
If Kawhi’s job is to be the 1 option on offence while taking the top defensive assignment and being elite at both, he’s a 1
Elevating other could literally mean you shoot and get your team tons of points which makes the guys who were decent at threes work hard to be able to make their threes when you need them too and then make the guys who are decent at rebounding become great at rebounding to get you more shots and thus making the team better
I think elevating others is not about what happens only on the court I mean for sure what happens on the court is certainly important but it's about the mindset that you have.
I'm sure that in the locker room or even in the timeouts in Toronto he was not vocal he was not the leader of the team but Kyle Lowry was the leader.
So in my opinion kyle was the 1 and kwahi was 2 he was for sure 1 on the court in term of who takes the last shot but overall he wasn't the 1
I somewhat agree with Colin. He's speaking on a team needing a leader that every teammate can rally behind. Duncan, and then Lowry was the "leaders" of Kawhis rings. Although Leonard was clearly the best player by far in both situations, he really has never been that "captain". As a rockets fan I still love harden, but I feel like his "lazy" stigma has put off teammates. And with AD, that dude just has to stay healthy. Hard to lead your team when you're out half the games.
@Quentin Coberley no no one thinks kawhi and tim duncan are the same mentally kawhi literally isn’t a leader he just leads with his play but he’s not someone that you want to go to war for someone that makes you feel like you can beat anyone he’s not that guy
He was the 4th option when he won his first ring, “by far” is a stretch.
@@choiceda5920 he averaged 18 PPG on 61 % from 3Pt and played pretty damn good d on bron without bron using hella screens to get Leonard off him
@@JohnSmith-uw4jp “by far” just isn’t true.
Putting kawhi in the same sentence as harden and Ad is completely disrespectful. The warriors broke the code and ruined this guys legacy. He’s the 2nd best in the generation behind lebron imo
Curry lebron taytum Paul george dremond klay Simmons embid what happened to them
bro this is a team sport you shouldnt have one guy rebounding playmaking and scorring as great as lebron is his playstyle is the reason he came up short cause it is unnecessarily tuff to do that especially in the best league thats why i admire guys like steph kd kawhi kobe jordan they have a designated role in the offense they can average 10 assists per game but their role is to move the ball and score kerrs offense nick nurses offense phil jacksons offense they all had 3-4 guys averaging 6 assists meaning it is not a westbrook drive and kick assist everytime or a james harden ball hoging bail-out passes i see the same shit on luka and obviously lebron theses guys they get the rebound dribble up to court isolate if they can score they score when they cant they pass and most of the passes arent that hard for a midschooler let alone nba talent. and the second guys i name their scoring is limited the best of that bunch james harden he lacks midrange has no finishing move on the basket rather than left hand layups and occasional dunks (no right hand, literally never seen him hit layups like a steph or kyrie) he isnt as efficient as the first group of guys i named but when i watch the kobe mj kd steph kawhi these guys not only score with the ball they score without the ball and they do it efficiently yes the styles differ mj was a mid range or finish type steph is more of a three or drive type kd is more like do it all . But for them i can remember seing them hit floaters hit midrange j's threepoint shots great use of off hand shots they had a huge arsenal of moves so they score 30 with 5 assists with high efficiency low usage where as westbrook harden would miss shots in a row only to pass next posetion to get an additional asssist with high usage they end up with 30pts 10ass on low efficiency and high usages.
Bruh if my English teacher asks for an essay I know what comment I'm going to
@@spl4shh860 I was joking
@@spl4shh860 not really but ok
Then tell me the 2019 Season by Kawhi Mr?
“ he literally won a championship.” With Parker ginobli and Duncan 😂
And the raptors
He was the big reason for those chips. He made it tough for LeBron and his impact on the raptors help. U take klaw out and right now the raptors is not good that is saying something
@@nature-kv3xe agree with that one bro.
Cohwerd was right about that for everyone except kahwi a little bit
Do people not understand that not having the ball in your hand all the time is another form of elevating others and allowing for teammates to “do their thing”. I’m mean simply look at Kawhi’s usage rate compared to his production on the court. It’s insane. Compared to other players who have the same usage rate as him it’s not even close. Last season he ranked 22nd in the league in terms of usage rate usage rate. His own teammate Paul George had a higher usage rate than him. Not having the ball in your hands as much as you should is elevating your teammates because it allows for others to get more involved in the game. To make it even better when Kawhi does get the ball he’s efficient in terms of scoring so this narrative makes no sense to me
Yall clearly misinterpreted what he meant by elevating others he meant that kawhi isnt a leader and doesnt have leadership qualities on toronto lowry was the leader and with the spurs is duncan
I think Kawhi didn’t elevate his teammates during that championship run Kyle Lowry was the one saying “we need to play better” and was encouraging, he was the heart of that championship
He won finals mvp with 2 different teams that’s all that needs to be said about elevating.
DeMar DeRozan? KD?
It was Kyle Lowry who was leading that team, alongside Kawhi
Bingo. Kawhi is a 1 but he can’t be your leader
I love narratives. don't yall?🥱
@@joshdelaney949 prove that statement
Nah, KLow was the heart of the team, Kawhi lead them by walking the walk not talk the walk.
@@D34N-34 you can talk all you want but you actually need to perform in games to win & not just run your mouth. It was Kawhi dropping bucket after bucket on the entire 76ers team that won them that series & the championship. I bet if it was Derozan instead of Kawhi, the Raptors were getting swept against the Sixers. Lowry's leadership wouldn't do shit then.
The standard " you never played basketball argument" is so old dude. Why is he wrong?
No he is right about elavating others lol the raptors were already making the playoffs so imagine swapping deroazen with kawai and then kd and klay got injured so they had another advantage
Kd ,klay,looney,iggy and more
@@KingloTRG exactly
DeMar wouldn’t of even got past the sixers 😂.
@@Nick-sr4fe u obviously didnt get it
@@poloc4652 sure man
Kawhi is not the same level as players like KD Giannis Bron or Curry. Just my opinion tho.
Nah for me he’s right there alongside them when 100% healthy.
He is up there especially if you have Giannis up there.
kawhi, oh that boy, done it all
Elevating as in in he plays his role perfect I totally agree but he definitely didn’t just make the raptors 2019. I’ve been a fan for years and we were a consistent one seed but ran into LeBron. He’s not just carrying people to chips now lmao
Look up the definition of Physically Unavailable you'll see a picture of Anthony Davis
Lol he won a championship? Are you kidding me? Why don't you tell the people how he won it? If that was LeBron James, everyone would be laughing at that championship.
How is he comparing backyard basketball with the NBA. Nigga don't make any sense
Nah bruh. I consider myself an Avid nba fan(just gotta trust my word). But I gotta agree with Collin on this one. Yeah Dude won a championship, but Kyle Lowry “elevated” others. Lowry was the leader. Kawhi was the talent AND the first option on that team. But not their leader.
Kawhi was ONE OF THE LEADERS. Just because he wasn't the number 1 leader doesn't mean he didn't lead. He led through his play.
@Quentin Coberley facts
Kyle Lowry was the leader of the championship squad
Honestly, I agree with Collin. I mean the Kawhi bit was just stupid but Harden and AD I agree with
Kawhi did nothing. He played injured teams. An hasn’t been no where since. Overrated
Playmaking isn’t elevating others. The way you go hard, your emotion, the way you practice, the way you encourage people when things are going bad. There’s even more ways that you can elevate others.. you should have learned that from backyard basketball ..
The medias agenda to make lebrons playmaking so special is fckin hilarious.
Lebron cant even elevate his team. He makes his teammates better? Oh yeah? they're in the fucking dump right now. And guess what everytime he wins a championship he's got a stacked team. Durant, Kawhi, Steph couldve won championship with lebrons championship winning teams.
He's just wrong. Kawhi is a good and willing passer and playmaker he doesn't force anything. Same goes for James harden. And AD is a big man why tf would you want your big to make plays for the others
Simply staying out of the play or being a distraction can elevate your team lol he definitely elevates his team maybe not as much as others but still
True but I do agree to a degree harden isn’t a leader that elevates his team Kawhi is he lead the raptors who were already a good team to a great team and won a chip that’s elevation harden on the other hand doesn’t make the team better the rockets is a perfect example players like Kobe mike and lebron have the ability to make the teams championship teams just look at mikes documentary he made his team champions that’s a difference harden or KD couldn’t do that they aren’t leaders just great players individually they do bad one night the whole team suffers
Nobody said anything about playmaking being what Cowherd is talking about. However, the term “elevate his teammates” is way too broad of a term to use as a legitimate argument, especially because there’s not really any physical evidence to quantify a player making their teammates better other than assists, and the offensive and defensive rating when said player is on the floor compared to when they aren’t. And even then, that’s not even a surfer way to quantify it. And as for how Kawhii, he’s the first scoring option and the guy you call on to make stops, so as to elevating teammates, that’s not his role. And he only won a championship on teams that were already fine without him. He joined the spurs dynasty and won with Ginobli, Duncan, and Parker. After that, he didn’t win anymore chips after he was the leader of that spurs team. In Toronto, he didn’t necessarily elevate his teammates. They went crazy on their own. I’m not saying he doesn’t elevate his teammates. I’m just saying it’s too broad of a term to quantify effectively
This is the thinking Twitter uses to say that LeBron doesn’t make his teammates better. They think it’s just raw stats while ignoring roles & the efficiency of the offense as a whole.
Kawhi makes weaker defenders better. No, he is not an elite playmaker, but that’s never really been his game to begin with. It’s why he doesn’t play PG, lol.
So we just gonna ignore the first statement? 3 great players? Those guys? wtf
Three great players who are top talents but can't lead a team. Exactly the thing he was talking about. You think he is saying these guys are better than Giannis and KD and cant be number ones?
anthony davis over lebron, kd, giannis, and curry????
@@rnac5438 see Luke S’s reply above
@@rnac5438 Anthony Davis over Giannis. Hell yes. And at this point I would have him over LeBron if AD could stay fully healthy.
@@lukes9192 Yes they can. No team would pick them if they believed they couldn't lead a team. Think.
Pretty much every single Raptor credits Kawhi to being a major reason they won, they all said he brought that confidence and that presence where they all believed it was possible behind Kawhi, I HATE the narrative that Kawhi doesn’t elevate teammates when the only reason my team won a championship was behind the leadership of Kyle Lowry and the confidence of Kawhi Lenard pushing his teammates
Colin talks shit for a living. Kawhi got Toronto a championship. Enough said
I will say at least Kawhi's doesn't sack tap people and flop like a fish like some other people *cough* *cough* james harden *cough*
Kawhi really doesn’t elevate others. He plays good defense and is phenomenal one v one. He won 2 championships too. One was legit, the other cause KD got hurt.
Bro like Zach Lavine and Demar derozen aren’t spanking these teams with elite level players? The bulls are the best example of players elevating their teammates.
I don’t disagree actually, say what you want, you can feed the false narrative that he “won the raptors a championship”, nah, the raptors had been in contention for years. Kawhi isn’t a leader and it shows, with the spurs he had Duncan, in Toronto Lowry was the leader, not Kawhi, and now he is struggling heavily. I’m not saying Kawhi hurts his teammates, but I don’t see how he elevates them, I think he is a number 1 option, but he needs a guy that can lead and rally the team because he is incapable, and I think that’s the point cowherd is trying to make
Colin hit the money with this. Playmaking isn’t the way to elevate your team. Chris Paul is a 1 because he elevates any team he’s with. Doesn’t matter what team. He might be the 3rd best scorer (In Avg Points for the season) on the roster, but that’s because he’s elevating everyone else.
These two are missing Colin’s point. If they can’t elevate others or create for others, the teams risks losing when it wavers. It’s a legit criticism of their basketball value compared to other elite players. The other players provide more.
@Quentin Coberley Bruh, he's nowhere near the playmaker or distributor that others are. His career high in assists is what, 5 per game? And he got that how many years into his career? No, he's a great two way player, but his most successful teams always have other players feeding him as part of the offense. By comparison, a player like LBJ literally IS the offense because he can pass and score and move without the ball at an elite level. Kawhi has never thrived in a situation like that.
@Quentin Coberley First, Kyle Lowry was a multi-year All-Star before Kawhi arrived, and they were a perennial playoff team. And if not for injuries and LeBron leaving the East, that Toronto team does not win a championship. Second, Russell Westbrook is a bad example here, as his teammates consistently are better. Paul George and Carmelo Anthony and others all experienced solid statistical seasons with Westbrook at the point guard. Westbrook's struggles are that he cannot shoot and his triple-doubles are meaningless because his defense is terrible and his rebounds were fed to him. Third, I definitely will agree that LeBron isn't as good a defensive player as Kawhi, but you're talking the difference between Elite (Kawhi) and still very good (LeBron); it's closer than you're giving credit, considering LeBron, at 37, is still averaging over a steal and block per game. Fourth, Kobe and MJ both played on teams that could survive without them on the floor. For MJ, the clear evidence is that he was on a playoff team that still made it without him. It doesn't speak to their "ability to be a teammate" if their teams were still good without them; it speaks to having a solid supporting cast and smart front office. And that's the argument that Colin is making. Elite players win regardless of their supporting casts because their skillset subsidizes weak areas. Kawhi does not do that beyond being an efficient scorer and elite defender. He still NEEDS someone to be the main ball handler. He still NEEDS someone to create shots for him. He still NEEDS someone to guard and/or play center. LBJ does not. You give him or even KD potentially a crap roster and it's not an unfair bet they can win 50 games. Kawhi has never played on a team that he had to carry, and as such, it's a fair criticism that he is a solid #2, or at least, needs a lot of team support for him to be a #1.
@@wowsadowsa nah man injuries are apart of the game.
I don’t see people discrediting the warriors in 2016 or 2018 nor do people discredit the Laker or Bucks for the last 2 years injured are part of the game. Second the raptors were known playoff chokers b4 Kawhi they were losing DeMar wasn’t gonna help them in 2019 especially not with the historic run Kawhi had to do just for them to win. Third It not a legit criticism Kawhi shouldn’t have to be a playmaker his job is to literally score and defend.
I'm sorry but like Kawhi lead the raptors to a chip against the greatest dynasty arguably in nba history so 🤷 if he doesn't elevate others I really don't know man
He doesn't make people better. He makes people job easier sometimes but he doesn't make them better. On a well established team he can easily be the missing piece and make you a contender example Toronto. But as of right now on the clippers it showed when he played. It seemed like they were missing a playmaker or someone that can make the game easier for others. That's why you seen majority of the time Paul George is in that role because Kawhi is not that. They even brought in Reggie Jackson and Rondo because there's no one that makes the game easier for others.
Y'all downplay the fact that he was a role player when he won a chip on the Spurs . And the raptors where the number one seed the yr before he came. He basically just replaced DeRozan
He won a championship on a team that was first in its conference the year before he got there, & traded for him for a single star & a few insignificant bench players & or prospects. To act as if Leonard won a chip on a team that wouldn’t have won or competed for one without him if not for LBJ being in the conference is simply stupid. Not to mention, he didn’t have to go thru lbj when he did join the team, meaning it’s very easy to say, the raptors would’ve made the finals even without the trade that year. Not to mention if klay doesn’t get hurt they don’t even beat the KD less warriors. Him not elevating other is literally a fact, that raptors team had a better record with him than with him.
It’ not only playmaking but the fact that Kawhi is not a real leader. Even in Toronto he wasn’t the leader of the team.
I'm sure he ment leadership not playmaking 😂
People who say lowry led the raptors didn't watch a single raptors game. It was so obvious that kawhi was the leader everyone who watched them saw that.
Because he only won one championship this guy's telling the absolute truth y'all just need to accept it because if he was playing on the level that he should be he'll have multiple championships not just one.
Bro the guy in the right looks like black Pete davinson
So then let me ask if you had to pick out of 2 teams with only one superstar. Are you picking the team with the elite passer that gets everyone involved or the team with the guy that has horrible stat teammates and is the only reliable scorer?
Colins great with football but is ignorant with basketball
Kawhi won a championship against a depleted team
Collins is right
But I think 🤔 James harden ain't in that
How do i stop seeing these casuals they don't know basketball at all
Bruh kawhi made all of his teammates better in Toronto wtf
For real. People wanna talk without ever doing it
How can you elevate others if your not available?
That guy admits he’s not an nba athlete…the other guy looks huh healthy 😬
Kawhi won a championship when all the other best teams were out of contention.
These dudes takes are horrible 😂 they dont know ball at all
He means boosting others moral by talking or leading a team
Said who Kobe as a ghost hold my Gatorade
In other words some of their stats are a bit empty where as look at kd Bron greek
This lowkey applies to Westbrook tho
AD doesn't make his teammates better lol
James Harden can 100% be a first option on a championship team also
No he can't
@@jerellebowens4367 he can definitely be a first scoring option, no question
@@jerellebowens4367 yes he can. He was the first option on that Houston team that should have beat the stacked warriors team with curry, kd, klay, draymond. They would have won in 6 if cp3 didn’t get injured
@@itz_ethan. doesn’t that make it worst for harden💀
@@itz_ethan. 19’ warriors didn’t have Cousins and KD for game 6 and we still mopped the floor with harden💀 stop making excuses, if he could be the first scoring option on a championship team he would’ve done it by now.
Ridiculous narrative
Kawhi doesn’t elevate others. He’s the best mid range player, the best defender and top 3 player in the league. But he doesn’t have any traits of a captain.
Yes the raptors won the chip. They won without having to go 7 games against Klay and KD. And they were a better team than what we gave them credit for. OG, Vanvleet, Siakam, and Lowry is a hell of a team.
@@Redallstar1 He does elevate others. All superstars do to an extent. Just delusional l.
Ion think kawhi make people better man
Kawhi played with elite All NBA playmakers in Tony Parker and Kyle Lowry on his championship teams. Why should he have to play a role that a teammate can thrive in
He should with the clipper. The fact is that he can’t. He’s not a great playmaker. Average. And it’s even being the leader of the team, not only playmaking.
When did he elevate anyone lmao please stop
Kawhi is a 1 but he’s on the ball with the other two
Don't talk shit on the klaw
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Nawh y’all definitely wrong kawhi is great but his play style isn’t conducive to making others better, in Toronto he had an amazing cast around him. He’s not doing what nikola or lebron do it’s different styles
Just passing guys the ball for a open shot doesn’t only classify as making them better where do y’all arrive at these false narratives .. kawhi out of all top 10 players in the league has the lowest usage rate on the same production which means he allows his teammates opportunities to score and play make in the offense because he doesn’t often need the ball to be effective like Lebron and Jokic.. so stop it his off ball play and gravity alone alows his teammate to be better and his defense is miles ahead of jokic and Lebron allowing his teammates opportunities to make plays in defense with his presence so again your not making sense
Bro hating on KAWHI😂😂
He won a championship with one of the greatest dynasties ever. The Toronto run was unbelievably lucky. Kawhi ain’t winning no title against the warriors healthy.
I mean most of the warriors rings have been against unhealthy teams.
2015 every starting Pg they played against that run was hurt not to mention Kyrie Love hurt in the finals
2017 they hurt Kawhi for the spurs who was top 3 in MVP voting and beating that same team the game he got hurt by a lot
2018 CP3 gets hurt
Shoot the last two rings must’ve been luck since we accounting injuries
2020 Lakers beat an unhealthy Heat team which took them to 6 games
2021 Bucks beat a Injured Nets team with 2/3 stars hurt.
Injuries always been apart of the game if we using luck for 2019 I hope you say the same for the others