Dave, I used water hose parts (2 way splitter, barbed fittings, etc) and it worked well, BUT I thought I could get away without the gauge! Boy was I wrong. BOTH my tires came off the bead WITH RV ANTIFREEZE LEAKING OUT. Dude, that was stressful! I thought I was going to lose a bunch on the ground! I put a ratchet strap on quickly, and aired it up, got it back on by some miracle, and was able to finish without much loss. BUT the gauge would have helped me keep an eye on the pressure, and keep SOME pressure in the tire, like 5 psi or so, and that would have helped keep the tire on the rim. Funny, when I did let all the air out initially, and it stayed on the rim, but once I started filling it with fluid and it got some weight in it, the tire then sagged and popped off the rim. I think if I had kept *some* pressure in it, like 5psi or so MINIMUM, then, it might have stayed on. Shoulda listened the first time to my buddy Dave 🙂
for sure my son " who is a certified kubota tech" has had tires come off the bead and half off the rim. lost all the fluid! i learned from his mistake. the device they use dont have a gauge so once the tire pressure was down below 5psi bam! off the rim it came. 5psi would likely be good most likely. I tried to keep mine up as high as I could to insure my bead stayed intact. its a learning curve for sure. glad you were fast with the rachet strap! lol
Thanks Dave! It took longer to put the manifold together than it did to put the fluid in the tires. I used my 25 gallon spray rig and it worked great. My favorite part is the return line back to the spray tank so that when you let the air out any fluid flows back to the tank (no waist and no mess). I also noticed that when the fluid gets above the valve stem I could hear the sound of the fluid flowing change in the tire and knew that it was full.
yes in deed that return line saved on waste and enabled me to simply over fill the tire and then drain off to the point of 75% full. with both valve stems at 12 oclock I ended up with exactly the same amount in each tire. I love this manifold and the gauge it seemed to shed a little light on what was actually happening. thanks for watching!
Another great video from you. I love your manifold, I will be building one tomorrow. I have watched every video you have made and always checking back with you for a new one. Thanks so much Dave for all the hard work you put in to helping people like myself. Jeff
No weeds will grow in your tires. I have looked at a lot of ways to fill a tractor tire with windshield washer fluid and yours is the best so far. Thank you, as I will be using this system.
it don't happen often but every now and then I come up with a good idea that actually works. lol thanks for watching and the list of materials used is in the comment section. for reference only there are no affiliate links so buy the stuff where ever best suits your location.
I just did the same thing using a slightly smaller sprayer. I thought I was being original with my concept, but only later found your video outlining the same process. Also, I just subscribed. Thanks, Jason
Dave, you sure saved me time by suggesting using the tractor weed sprayer. I didn’t even think of that! Like you I have one from Northern Tool. Thank you very much!
for sure this thing works great for loading tires. I could not have been happier with the results. that manifold was spot on and really made this go so smooth. so many people have built this manifold since I published this and it really does make me feel great knowing so many people benefited from this design and method! really appreciate you stopping by.
I really like your setup,I think your way is much better than what I’ve seen so far. The use of the sprayer makes lots of sense.Thanks for sharing your technique.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺☮️
We added antifreeze to the water on our large tractors. I made a tool for doing it out of an air tank off of a semi truck. I made a stand out of an old car wheel and welded three angle irons straight up on it so the tank would slide down in and secured it with a couple of big hose clamps. On the bottom end of the tank I cut a hole and welded in a 1/2" merchant pipe coupler and put an elbow and shut off valve. On the top of the tank I cut a hole and welded in a short 2" pipe nipple. It had a cap with a piece of round stock welded across it so it could be taken off by hand. I also cut another hole and welded in a 1/4" merchant pipe coupler and added an air schrader valve to add air pressure. Close the valve at the bottom, take off the big cap at the top, pour in the antifreeze, put the big cap back on, pressure up the tank some, open the valve at the bottom and blow the antifreeze into the tire. Worked great and made a time consuming chore real quick and super easy. No pumps.. On the out side of the valve at the bottom i adapted it to garden hose thread. I cut down a good quality garden hose to about 10 ft long so it would be easier to handle. The tire valve stem has to be in the up position on the tire. It would blow in 4 gallons at a time. We only had to put about 50 pounds of air on the tank to blow it in and that was more than enough.
yes I have seen that done before with a 55 gallon drum sitting on the ground. works great still need an air compressor to replace the pump. but most people with a tractor already have an air compressor. I liked how my design could be ran right off the tractor battery. even out in the field it if had to be. the real neat part of this video is the manifold. it really comes in handy for dumping back pressure and the gauge is nice to see how much pressure you have going in the tire while filling them. it was a fun video to make and I'm so glad I finally filled my tires. made a huge difference. thanks for the great comment and for stopping by my channel.
Thanks Dave! I will be doing this tonight if I can get 48 gallons. I just bought a JD 3032E and I definitely need the ballast weight and more traction! AWESOME manifold, hope you don't mind but I will be building the same one!
heck no I don't mind at all that's why I put trhe video up to help folks build what they need and get the job done on a low budget. makes me feel good seeing so many folks use my techniques and tricks for things like this as well as setting up and using implements. thanks for dropping by my channel.
Now that's a great thing you made there. I have calcium in my tires and it's rotting the rims. I could use my sprayer and make a set up like yours and put the anti-freeze in. Thanks for posting this!!!
glad to help there is a list of all the materials in the description. most all of it came from lowes so you can just write down what it is and drive over and pick the stuff up. it was worth buying a sprayer to fill the tires although I already had the sprayer. love2boat92 made one and shows it being used on his channel. he used a 55 gallon drum and a small pump with the same manifold I built. the windshield washer fluid was cheaper than antifreeze so I went with that.
Nice video. I have a sprayer and am going to do that. Also windshield washer fluid is a lot better for the ground than antifreeze by far. I wouldn't want that getting in the ground water, or garden.
it worked out quite well. the bottles of washer fluid were getting so old and weathered from sitting outside I was worried they would crack and leak soon. so I figured I best go ahead and get this job done. glad its over and enjoyed making the video.
Great video Dave. With a little modification on using some fittings I have, I plan on using my tank sprayer to fill my 13.6-28 tires. I knew I could use my tank sprayer to fill them, this video answered a lot of questions.
glad to help Fred. lots of people have used this method since posting this video and all seem to be very happy with the results. one thing for sure if you use PVC like I did be sure and use RAIN OR SHINE pvc glue like I used because the other may not hold up to the pressure. takes a little longer for the rain or shine glue to set up but not that long maybe 15 or 20 minutes tops in the worse conditions.
That is a good looking dog you have Dave. Nice set up really a good idea the best way to add ballast to the tires I have seen. I was going to add liquid to mine then I read the BH book and it said not to add ballast to the rear tires. As always very good information. Later
Good video Dave. I planned to use a different pump until I watched your video. I definitely will use my tank sprayer rig. Thanks! Neal (Returning to Basics)
You must live in Alaska because once you reach the freezing point of the fluid, it starts slushing up. I'm thinking people in warmer states might be able mix 50/50 water widow washer fluid. I was told when it does start to freeze, it starts with slush and would have to drop a lot more. Also it's worth mentioning that I found out 2 important things about fluid in tires, antifreeze will work BUT is hard on the rim metal. Beet juice for tires is best but expensive. And second, not all fluids have same freeze rating. If you use anti freeze fluid, check for corrosiveness on metal and freeze range. Slushy tires are one thing, rock solid is another.
yup the RV fluid turns to a jelly type consistency. I'm not a fan of that stuff. I'm in Virginia so we get all four seasons in less than 24 hours somedays. lol
seems a lot of people have had success with this design and technique to fill tires. it was definitely worth doing and very enjoyable to make and do a video about. glad you found the video.
Great idea. I would have placed the valve stem at the 1:00 position to prevent the fluid from escaping when checking the air pressure at the 12:00 position. I'll be adding my ballast the same way
12 oclock is the highest point 1 oclock you will loose more fluid. the object of using 12 oclock is to get the tires filled to 75% at 1 oclock the tires will be filled less than 75% hope that makes sense.
I was going to do this to my Kioti CK2610 this weekend till I saw my (RED) bank statement. I will try in the next couple of weeks as I need the extra weight when working on a small pond build.
That's great Dave I bought a small 110v pump and put it in a 5 gallon bucket it worked good but not as fast as your pump. I got down to the last gallon to put in and the tire came off the bead from the weight and I lost almost all my washer fluid.
oh man that sucks! I was so worried I would come off the bead as well. this is why I used the backhoe riggers to lift it up good. I started to use a jack but I knew if it fell off the jack I would surely break the bead then. it all went pretty well.
Hi Dave, I was wondering why not just jack tire up enough that the bottom is round ? Maybe even ease it back down a little. Then it shouldn't come off the bead, should it ?
he Vic I'm not real sure. according to my son who worked for Kubota tire beads do come loose when doing this occasionally. its no real solution other than leave enough air in the tire to keep that from happening. my original theory was to leave 30 psi of air in the tire and use the high pressure pump to pump in another 15 pounds since it will pump to 70 psi I figured it would certainly add another 15 psi of fluid to a 30 psi tire. needless to say I got confident and daring and just went for it. I likely still had about 5psi in the tire even though it read zero. both tires were just off the ground. a flat spot would have worked better as I was parked on a slight hill.
Good morning Dave, I have been pondering what to do since last year, ever since I started working down by the creek bank. I finally just decided what ever I did, would be the wrong choice and went with wheel weights, which doesn't put the weight as low as the fluid, but won't damage the brand new rims, I had to buy to put on commercial tread tires. I have 280 lbs per wheel and room enough for one more weight on the bolts. Sure feels like a different tractor, than the old L3300 with Turf tires. Especially when digging out Asian Autumn Olive crap, with the loader. Now wish loader bucket was couple feet shorter and wouldn't dig up such a wide hole :-( 15 years ago I could have cut my way down there. But then 15 years ago, didn't have many of those damn things ( I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you ) !!!XX%$#^
Vic so true the government seems to want to save us all. lol I don't think the windshield washer fluid will hurt the rims or tires even long term. if I did I would not have used it. seems the washer fluid is widely used by dealerships as an option.
If the law comes around they’ll think you are setting up to run some shine with all those empty jugs laying around. Lol. Great video Dave. Be safe my friend.
for real I had to lay them out and run them all over with the tractor to flatten them out. they would not all fit in the recycle bin like they were. lol
daveknowshow I thought maybe you were gonna make a huge windmill out of them gallon jugs by cutting them in a way to take air and spin, and maybe power batteries for electricity savings.cool manifold set up! Looked fun to build!
This is what I will be doing. Thats a slick setup. Wow that's cheap. We have 2 autozones near me. Don't know if rural King will match your price. Thanks for the tip. I will need about 100 gallons. Might buy 12 extra though. Lol.
Nice project. I know pumping is way faster, but if I connected an inverted jug above the fill valve in a closed system, wouldn't the fluid run down into the tire and the air gurgle back into the jug? I want to do this to my lawn tractor for ballast for a snow blower. I think we are only talking 6 gallons in each tire. I realize the jug could not hold any pressure. I may add an inner tube so the bead doesn't become a problem.
I liked this video, need to do my tractor. I installed a loader and don't have no rear traction. My tires look to be about the same size as yours, so, 29 to 30 gallons per tire should do it. Thanks for the tip, I also subscribed as well.
thanks for subscribing and leaving a comment. I hope you find many other useful tractor related how to videos on my channel. also you may look over the links on these tire fill charts to get a better estimate on how many gallons you need. www.rimguardsolutions.com/beet-juice-is-better/tire-fill-chart/
Dave, I'd love to hear some pros and cons you may have discovered from the added ballast. I have refrained from adding tire fluid to keep my tractor light when mowing. Parts of my farm don't drain well and can be rather soft.
yes Vic I agree. after filling the tires I moved some stuff on pallets on a hillside that before had my tractor up on three wheels. after adding the ballast I was able to better lift those pallets and move them around. plus the added traction is what I was really after. my traction was so bad I could barely use the box blade uphill in two wheel drive. I hope this added ballast will help with that issue. I like to use two wheel drive most of the time. four wheel drive is harder on the machine and the tires unless you are on slick surfaces like mud or snow and maybe wet grass. hope you are both doing well thought about you as I was planning an upcoming video project I hope you will like. not sure when I will get it done. I have the stuff here to do it well most of it. to many projects not enough time.
thank you for stopping by and leaving a comment! it means a lot to me when these videos help folks. its what I love to do help folks. just how I was raised.
it was a fun project all this stuff pvc fitting gauges and stuff has been sitting in the corner since last year. I have a couple projects like that I hope to get finished before the end of summer. glad you enjoyed it.
I tried that on the other side and the fluid seem to take the path of least resistance which meant in did not go in the tire but instead back in the tank.
Dave, I watched this video before but I had to see it again. I just didn't remember the whole thing but I do now. That is a neat contraption and it surely worked like a champ. Now, did you over-engineer it? I don't think so. It did what you needed it to do. Now had it blown up while you were pumping fluid, that would have only been a 'technical difficulty" not a fail (ha). Great video. I enjoyed a full-watch and learned something more. Thanks and enjoy your week. Man, it's hotter than a hot tin roof down here. I'm ready for fall weather. Later
I haven't filled my tires yet but I'm looking into removing my tires, let out all the air, popping the bead on valve side of Tim. Using some type of weight holding the tire down, I should be able to fill the tire quickly. Now, knowing my luck, I'll pop the bead on wrong side of the tire. That mistake would make it extremely hard to re air the tire. Never did this on a tractor yet, should work. EDITED: For anyone that read my "Pop the bead" comment. Don't do it. I've renamed so many tires attempting to reseal beads using chains and cargo straps to re-bead that cost too much peace of mind. Just don't do it.
I would avoid breaking the bead. they can be a bear to get back sealed good and not leak. this method works great. there are other methods similar to this that may be less costly in regards to having a pump. honestly you can buy just the pump for a sprayer like mine and put it in a 5 gallon bucket.
@@daveknowshow Great to know this. I've popped the bead on many different tires and the bigger the harder to get the seal fixed again. I've changed my mind about breaking the seal. If anyone has never done this, Dave is right. Best not to do this. Most new tractor owners like myself, will get mad because they tried it. Thanks Dave.
Did it twice, went well, just add 3 4x4 under the tire edges climb in the middle of the wheel and inflate. And be care full cuz it WILL inflate very fast!! (low air volume)
Overkill is underrated. I like the way you think. This was the perfect setup in my opinion. You made sure to not over pressurize the tire while not splashing windshied washer everywhere. You have a very precise way to confirm liquid level. And it was quite fast too! Ingenious. I had to replay 3 times the price per gallon. I could not believe it! I've never done any search about windshield washer versus rubber. Is this safe for rubber in the long term? Thanks for sharing with us this nice idea!
from what I have been told windshield washer fluid is safe for use with rubber and is a highly used choice in ballast by many tractor dealerships. the additives that keep it from freezing are along the same lines as antifreeze which is also used in tractor tires but cost a bit more per gallon. according to autozone management the price on this washer fluid does fluctuate from time to time based on inventory. I got this price at the end of the cold season in virginia. which is when they are less likely to sell negative 20 degree washer fluid. there is still a discount on quantities of 12 but may very based on where and when you purchase it. the store I got mine at only had 5 gallons but they contacted all the local stores and had all their inventory sent to my store and I picked up 72 gallons although I only needed 58 gallons and could have just bought 60 gallons. I did not want to risk spilling some and needing more. he said I could return what I did not use although I have already been putting it my car. the more my eyes age the more my windshield needs cleaning. " I like to blame my poor eye sight on a dirty windshield". ha ha
Thanks for the information. Very useful. I plan on adding balast on the small Bolens. It will be windshield washer for sure. The Case already has balast, which is most likely calcium. On a side note, I am a freak of clean winshield. I apply Aquapel on the windshield twice a year and it helps a lot keeping the winshield clean.
My eyes have always been effected by glare since I had pneumonia in the first grade. A dirty windshield really causes a lot of glare it seems. Truck may be really dirty, but windshield will probably be clean :-).......to old to keep truck clean any more :-(
Vic I know the feeling my car is filthy outside from tree sap but my windshield must be clean. the glare kills me as well. my poor eyes are really suffering lately. I hope to see an eye doctor soon. not very excited about seeing yet another doctor. lol
its a sprayer 16 gallon is what I think I said in the video and I also specify how many gallons per minute the pump is and how much psi it puts out. I bought this sprayer from Northern tool. long ago and I dont remember the specs. it may be this one. www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200726347_200726347
@@daveknowshow yeah I admittedly fast forward it a little so I must of missed that while typing my response. I researched it. Thanks for the response sir 🙂.
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Why not just leave both valves fully open until fluid starts coming out of the bleed side. Looks like it would go faster if you weren’t pumping against any back pressure.
the reason why is because the fluid will take the path of least resistance and simply go back to tank rather than into the tire. we have to maintain some tire pressure or the tire itself will come loose off the rim losing the seal at the bead. hope that makes sense.
I let mine run until it didn't show on the tirre gauge and never even bothered to jack the tractor up. The sidewalls didn't even bulge hardly. Must be some stiff tires.
thats good to know. my son said they always use a jack to take the weight off when filling because if the bead does break on those big tires it can be a pain to seat the bead back plus it makes a mess if the bead breaks while filing the tire. your right though these side walls are tough!
Hey Dave, excellent setup and thank you so much for showing this. I need to get some more traction especially for the winter and am thinking of doing this. However I have a backhoe that I run on my l2501 and I think I read not to run it with loaded tires. Just curious but have you run yours with the tires loaded? I wouldn't have the BH on through the winter but come spring/summer I'd be switching out. Guessing that might mean I need to drain the tires. Not sure. Thanks again and take care!
you re 100% correct that is exactly what the manual says. this is why it took me so long to decide to do this. I cant tell you if I was wrong or right for adding the ballast. my intention when I built this manifold was so in the event that I needed to leave the hoe on for a long period of time I could use the manifold to drain the washer fluid out. I plan to install a air valve in one line. this way I could shut off one valve pump air in to about 35 or 40 psi and then close that volve and open the other to allow the washer fluid to push out into a 55 gallon drum. I have never done this yet and as you seen I did install the backhoe and use it with the tires loaded. the question is will this hurt the tractor and how will it hurt the tractor. so this is the rumors I hear from Kubota. the reason they do NOT want the rear tires loaded when the backhoe is installed is because it will create TO MUCH traction and the tractor will not be able to spin the tires and therefore it could damage the differential or transmission if you tried pushing or pulling a load on hard surfaces with the backhoe on and the tires loaded. the motor is strong enough that it may not stall before it actually broke something. so when the hoe is on I take special care to not try and push to much load with the front end loader. I don't push the pile from the bottom if its wet heavy or has been sitting for a long while. I think if I was leaving the hoe on for a long period of time I may remove the washer fluid. this is also one of the reasons I went with washer fluid rather than rim guard. rim guard is heavier so that would create even more strain on the tractor. I will say this you can really tell the difference when the backhoe is on and the rear tires are loaded compared to when the backhoe is on and the rear tires are not loaded. I know I would never get all the washer fluid out but I could get nearly all of it out just by placing the valve at 6 oclock rather than 12 oclock. hope that make sense. if you have any additional questions or need clarification on any of this please ask and I will do the best I can to explain it further. I may install that valve on the manifold and do a video on that. maybe even show draining the rear tires and see how fast I can get them empty. thanks for the question.
@@daveknowshow Thank you,sir, for the insights. I wasn't thinking about how I could possibly have too much traction but now that you explain it I see where the bh with loaded tires could combine for so much weight that something would have to give out if the tires couldn't spin. I'm a tractor novice but that makes sense to me. The bh adds a lot of weight in and of itself. I think the bh77 I run is somewhere around 900lbs. Anyway, I'm getting ready to store the bh and I think I'll give your method a go in loading the rears for the winter and decide whether to leave it or drain it next spring. I've got a box blade that I use quite a bit and wouldn't mind having the traction with loaded tires. It may come down to being extra careful when using the bh. Thanks again, Dave, for getting back to me so quickly. Please keep up the good work. It's much appreciated!
@@awac4577 always glad to help my friend. that is my plan to simply be more cautious when the backhoe is installed. typically the hoe is on and off as needed. generally I either have the box blade or a road blade installed more than the backhoe even in the summer.
Pretty cool! I always wondered how much fluid they put in. I am guessing that will not rust the rims? I am thinking you built it the way was needed bleeding off to keep filling. I just recently learned of that beet juice product weighs more.
no it dont hurt the rims and yes beet juice is heavier however not enough to warrant the cost difference in my mind or my wallet. lol ha ha. this works very well for me because if I need to I can remove the washer fluid into a drum and it dont smell. the rim guard is nasty stuff to work with. plus I can install the washer fluid myself with the parts I built. if I need a gallon more just run to any store. not so with rim guard. typically you have to pay them to come out and install it for you. I started to use rim guard myself they offered to sell it to me at a local dealer in a 55 gallon drum. the washer fluid just seemed faster cleaner and less expensive for my use.
no sir its no more corrosive than antifreeze which is what a lot of dealerships use. its also way less corrosive than calcium chloride that use to be exclusively used years ago and still is used a lot today. many people have used washer fluid and reported no problems in the tractor forums online.
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Hey Dave, do you have a list of parts to make that knozzle go from the pump to the tire to the air drain? I think I'm going to do what you did to fill the tires I have. Have to get a sprayer though.
yeah I already had the sprayer so it worked out great for me. a sprayer comes in handy and the pump in there pumps up right much pressure. I will try and get a parts list together and post it.
No tube they say this washer fluid does not hurt anything. easy on rubber and metal so I just pumped it in like it is. main thing I worry about is leaking around the bead if pressure drops low. so far it has not been an issue. still working out great. very stable now on the hills compared to before. it is a rougher ride.
241.86 pounds per tire. 8.34 pounds per gallon for the cost compared to beet juice I had to go with washer fluid. much cheaper and weight was not that much more.
@phdfxwg Fischercat 12.4 - 24 according to the online chart is 30 gallons per tire www.rimguardsolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/RimGuardBeetJuiceTireFillChart.pdf
if you let out to much air the tire will come off the rim bead and its a pain to get back on nd sealed. leaving a few pounds of air pressure in there keeps the tire sealed on the rim. hope I explained that correctly.
no tubes straight in the tire. I did have a little seeping at one spot on the edge at the bead. I simply pumped her up to 30psi with air and drove it around a bit. the next day I positioned the valve stem at the top 12 o'clock and drained off the air to read 20 psi it has not leaked a drop. I may let another 5 psi out to bring it down to between 15 psi and 18 psi for added traction and a little softer ride. the fluid did make the ride a lot stiffer. thanks for the great question and for commenting. also some people do install tubes when adding fluid mostly its when adding calcium chloride because its so corrosive.
the list was accurate when published. the item numbers and links may have changed over time making them no longer viable. each link was verified when posted. when I have time I will check them and try to correct any that have changed.
never said anything about spraying food. the sprayer is used for round up to spray vegetation on asphalt and gravel driveways, along fence lines and so on.
this is true however they tend to mix all sorts of stuff in those same containers. not to mention all the junk people put in radiators like stop leak and such. I started to do exactly what you said but was made aware of all the contaminants that will likely be in old antifreeze. washer fluid on the other hand was new and a lot less expensive than new antifreeze.
lol yeah I sometimes go a little over board with these thing. I need to learn to keep things simple sometimes. but it was fun to do and believe it or not several people have made these now and they also enjoyed doing it. one guy says he is going into the tire filling business now. lol ha ha thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment!
true but when you need added power to ground in order to pull that rear ground engaging implement you simply cant hardly complain about tire ballast. I think the windshield washer fluid is cleaner and less damaging to rims and tires than other options. as I said it also helped a lot when pulling the plow, road blade or boxblade having the extra weight in the tires to engage the power to the ground.
you do know that you can get this done incredibly cheap by a professional right? for about 2-2.50$ per gallon you can have an actual liquid ballast that is designed for this not just a store bought over the counter product that will literally rust and dry rot your rims? If you are going to do this at least use RV antifreeze not washer fluid I cant believe how many people use washer fluid its amazing. not to mention the cost of building that manifold and the time it took to make it.
not true this was by far less expensive and washer fluid, antifreeze and such is what most tractor dealers use. if you are referring to beet juice its quite a bit more expensive than what I did this for. this is NOT something I went willy nelly into. this is something I have researched for several years before doing this. now if you have it done on a new tractor at the dealer they may build it into the cost just to make the tractor sale. that was not the case for me. additionally they use windshield washer fluid at a lot of dealers. it does not hurt or rust the rims or have any more or less effect on tires than any other product does long term. beet juice is a smelly mess that stains anything it gets on. the manifold was cheap to make but more importantly it was a fun project that was educational. of course some folks can not do things like that they lack the talent but those folks likely should not own a dangerous machine like a tractor anyway.
@@daveknowshow I'm not talking about beet juice. They make actual products for this most commonly as of late has been tl90 it's a non corrosive non reactive formula that doesn't freeze and you can get it for around 2.50$ a gallon installed at alot of industrial tire locations. Washer fluid is made up of mostly water and alcohol which is going to slowly eat away at your tires and rims creating ling term issues. Yes washer fluid is the cheapest. But cheap is not nearly the best way to go.
additionally RV antifreeze may not freeze solid but it does freeze into a thick blob of jell that flops around in the tire during extreme cold temperatures. I would never use that stuff originally I was going with RV antifreeze until I discovered this before putting it in. my son works for Kubota they use antifreeze in tires there. the man down the road from me just bought a john dear from a large dealership here in fact the largest " jamesriver equipment" it has windshield washer fluid in it which was installed and sold to the buyer as wheel ballast. beet juice is available here but its more cost over twice per gallon and then they charge to put it in. I try extremely hard to only upload and create videos with 100% accurate information at the time the video is created. with all that said many folks may not want to mess with doing it themselves and for them they can see in this video what all is involved and feel more comfortable knowing its best they NOT attempt it and instead pay someone else. for the others they can see a very educational video showing the actual pressures as well as the manifold and how I went about it in a fashion that was with in my budget. hope that helps explain thanks for your comment it is much appreciated!
@@whitelightningraceproducti7756 I have never heard of tl90. you would think if something is out that is cheaper and that much better all the tractor places would be using it or at least know about it. I have never read any reports or seen any reports about washer fluid damaging tires or rims. you are the first I have ever heard mention this. calcium chloride yes but washer fluid I have never heard anyone mention damage from long term exposure inside a tractor tire. I could see the manufacturers of a new product trying to make that claim to increase sales. I will check into this tl90. like I said my son worked for Kubota and spent lots of time with tire shops loading tires never in all his years of doing that work has he ever seen washer fluid mess up a rim or tire. people been using it for a great many years and I have yet to read on any forum that washer fluid created an issue with a tire or rim. calcium chloride yes but never once have I read washer fluid did any damage at all.
@@whitelightningraceproducti7756 just did a search on TL90 its beet juice and the same as rim guard. both are beet juice. so I'm very familiar with beet juice.
I could have but after much research and pondering this windshield washer fluid was a much better deal for the money. plus the washer fluid don't smell so bad and I can install it myself. the beet juice AKA rim guard is pricey compared to this washer fluid. and required I pay them to install it which meant paying them to bring a service truck here or paying to have the tractor delivered to them. this option with washer fluid was quick and easy and inexpensive with nearly the same amount of weight. the small difference in weight was sure not worth the cost difference to me. nor is it to many other people including many tractor dealerships who also use washer fluid in their tires.
Dollar tree has it for 1,25 per gallon with free shipping to store
that is an awesome price! thank you so much for sharing this!
Dave, I used water hose parts (2 way splitter, barbed fittings, etc) and it worked well, BUT I thought I could get away without the gauge! Boy was I wrong. BOTH my tires came off the bead WITH RV ANTIFREEZE LEAKING OUT. Dude, that was stressful! I thought I was going to lose a bunch on the ground! I put a ratchet strap on quickly, and aired it up, got it back on by some miracle, and was able to finish without much loss. BUT the gauge would have helped me keep an eye on the pressure, and keep SOME pressure in the tire, like 5 psi or so, and that would have helped keep the tire on the rim. Funny, when I did let all the air out initially, and it stayed on the rim, but once I started filling it with fluid and it got some weight in it, the tire then sagged and popped off the rim. I think if I had kept *some* pressure in it, like 5psi or so MINIMUM, then, it might have stayed on. Shoulda listened the first time to my buddy Dave 🙂
for sure my son " who is a certified kubota tech" has had tires come off the bead and half off the rim. lost all the fluid! i learned from his mistake. the device they use dont have a gauge so once the tire pressure was down below 5psi bam! off the rim it came. 5psi would likely be good most likely. I tried to keep mine up as high as I could to insure my bead stayed intact. its a learning curve for sure. glad you were fast with the rachet strap! lol
Thanks Dave! It took longer to put the manifold together than it did to put the fluid in the tires. I used my 25 gallon spray rig and it worked great. My favorite part is the return line back to the spray tank so that when you let the air out any fluid flows back to the tank (no waist and no mess). I also noticed that when the fluid gets above the valve stem I could hear the sound of the fluid flowing change in the tire and knew that it was full.
yes in deed that return line saved on waste and enabled me to simply over fill the tire and then drain off to the point of 75% full. with both valve stems at 12 oclock I ended up with exactly the same amount in each tire. I love this manifold and the gauge it seemed to shed a little light on what was actually happening. thanks for watching!
Another great video from you. I love your manifold, I will be building one tomorrow. I have watched every video you have made and always checking back with you for a new one. Thanks so much Dave for all the hard work you put in to helping people like myself. Jeff
I'm just thrilled to be able to help some folks out. glad to hear you enjoy the content here.
The manifold and sprayer tank are the perfect setup for filling the tires. Thanks for the tip.
every once in a while I hit a winner! thanks for watching and commenting. hope you have a great weekend
No weeds will grow in your tires. I have looked at a lot of ways to fill a tractor tire with windshield washer fluid and yours is the best so far. Thank you, as I will be using this system.
it don't happen often but every now and then I come up with a good idea that actually works. lol thanks for watching and the list of materials used is in the comment section. for reference only there are no affiliate links so buy the stuff where ever best suits your location.
I built a 35 gallon sprayer with a fimco manifold. Should be able to reroute the hoses and do the same thing. Thanks for the idea. Great video Dave.
thanks Dave, I'm sure you can work that out. this was a worth while venture for sure. tractor is very stable much better traction.
I just did the same thing using a slightly smaller sprayer. I thought I was being original with my concept, but only later found your video outlining the same process. Also, I just subscribed. Thanks, Jason
welcome to the channel
Dave, you sure saved me time by suggesting using the tractor weed sprayer. I didn’t even think of that! Like you I have one from Northern Tool. Thank you very much!
for sure this thing works great for loading tires. I could not have been happier with the results. that manifold was spot on and really made this go so smooth. so many people have built this manifold since I published this and it really does make me feel great knowing so many people benefited from this design and method! really appreciate you stopping by.
daveknowshow you bet Dave! Thanks again.
Great job. Reminds a little like servicing aircraft struts.
really appreciate the kind words
Awesome video! Nothing like "backyard engineering!" Gonna build one myself!!
this thing was a fun and awesome build. it works great and many people have also had great results.
I really like your setup,I think your way is much better than what I’ve seen so far. The use of the sprayer makes lots of sense.Thanks for sharing your technique.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺☮️
Thanks for the kind words!
We added antifreeze to the water on our large tractors. I made a tool for doing it out of an air tank off of a semi truck. I made a stand out of an old car wheel and welded three angle irons straight up on it so the tank would slide down in and secured it with a couple of big hose clamps. On the bottom end of the tank I cut a hole and welded in a 1/2" merchant pipe coupler and put an elbow and shut off valve. On the top of the tank I cut a hole and welded in a short 2" pipe nipple. It had a cap with a piece of round stock welded across it so it could be taken off by hand. I also cut another hole and welded in a 1/4" merchant pipe coupler and added an air schrader valve to add air pressure. Close the valve at the bottom, take off the big cap at the top, pour in the antifreeze, put the big cap back on, pressure up the tank some, open the valve at the bottom and blow the antifreeze into the tire. Worked great and made a time consuming chore real quick and super easy. No pumps.. On the out side of the valve at the bottom i adapted it to garden hose thread. I cut down a good quality garden hose to about 10 ft long so it would be easier to handle. The tire valve stem has to be in the up position on the tire. It would blow in 4 gallons at a time. We only had to put about 50 pounds of air on the tank to blow it in and that was more than enough.
yes I have seen that done before with a 55 gallon drum sitting on the ground. works great still need an air compressor to replace the pump. but most people with a tractor already have an air compressor. I liked how my design could be ran right off the tractor battery. even out in the field it if had to be. the real neat part of this video is the manifold. it really comes in handy for dumping back pressure and the gauge is nice to see how much pressure you have going in the tire while filling them. it was a fun video to make and I'm so glad I finally filled my tires. made a huge difference. thanks for the great comment and for stopping by my channel.
Thanks Dave! I will be doing this tonight if I can get 48 gallons. I just bought a JD 3032E and I definitely need the ballast weight and more traction! AWESOME manifold, hope you don't mind but I will be building the same one!
heck no I don't mind at all that's why I put trhe video up to help folks build what they need and get the job done on a low budget. makes me feel good seeing so many folks use my techniques and tricks for things like this as well as setting up and using implements. thanks for dropping by my channel.
Now that's a great thing you made there. I have calcium in my tires and it's rotting the rims. I could use my sprayer and make a set up like yours and put the anti-freeze in. Thanks for posting this!!!
glad to help there is a list of all the materials in the description. most all of it came from lowes so you can just write down what it is and drive over and pick the stuff up. it was worth buying a sprayer to fill the tires although I already had the sprayer. love2boat92 made one and shows it being used on his channel. he used a 55 gallon drum and a small pump with the same manifold I built. the windshield washer fluid was cheaper than antifreeze so I went with that.
Nice video. I have a sprayer and am going to do that. Also windshield washer fluid is a lot better for the ground than antifreeze by far. I wouldn't want that getting in the ground water, or garden.
Dave, now that's some incredible savings. Like that setup you made to fill the tires. Preciseness and saving money at the same time. Just love it.
it worked out quite well. the bottles of washer fluid were getting so old and weathered from sitting outside I was worried they would crack and leak soon. so I figured I best go ahead and get this job done. glad its over and enjoyed making the video.
Great video Dave. With a little modification on using some fittings I have, I plan on using my tank sprayer to fill my 13.6-28 tires. I knew I could use my tank sprayer to fill them, this video answered a lot of questions.
glad to help Fred. lots of people have used this method since posting this video and all seem to be very happy with the results. one thing for sure if you use PVC like I did be sure and use RAIN OR SHINE pvc glue like I used because the other may not hold up to the pressure. takes a little longer for the rain or shine glue to set up but not that long maybe 15 or 20 minutes tops in the worse conditions.
Very interesting Dave. “If life was simple it would be dull “ lol Thanks for sharing.
I enjoyed the project I hope it helps a few people.
Great design. Worked well.
it sure does and was cheap to build. I really enjoy stuff like this so it was well worth the time spent.
That is a good looking dog you have Dave. Nice set up really a good idea the best way to add ballast to the tires I have seen. I was going to add liquid to mine then I read the BH book and it said not to add ballast to the rear tires. As always very good information. Later
yes the BH book does say that. this ole dog has been such a blessing to me. real friend.
Good video Dave. I planned to use a different pump until I watched your video. I definitely will use my tank sprayer rig. Thanks! Neal (Returning to Basics)
thanks for stopping by the channel. I'm sure you will be please with the results.
You must live in Alaska because once you reach the freezing point of the fluid, it starts slushing up. I'm thinking people in warmer states might be able mix 50/50 water widow washer fluid. I was told when it does start to freeze, it starts with slush and would have to drop a lot more. Also it's worth mentioning that I found out 2 important things about fluid in tires, antifreeze will work BUT is hard on the rim metal. Beet juice for tires is best but expensive. And second, not all fluids have same freeze rating. If you use anti freeze fluid, check for corrosiveness on metal and freeze range. Slushy tires are one thing, rock solid is another.
yup the RV fluid turns to a jelly type consistency. I'm not a fan of that stuff. I'm in Virginia so we get all four seasons in less than 24 hours somedays. lol
Dave, your video was superbly timed, to my new tractor. Did you know the dealership wants a $1000, to do what you did?
WOW! thats a lot of money! yeah no doubt my way is much easier on the wallet.
What a great video and idea thank you gonna make one for myself soooo easy
seems a lot of people have had success with this design and technique to fill tires. it was definitely worth doing and very enjoyable to make and do a video about. glad you found the video.
Great idea. I would have placed the valve stem at the 1:00 position to prevent the fluid from escaping when checking the air pressure at the 12:00 position. I'll be adding my ballast the same way
12 oclock is the highest point 1 oclock you will loose more fluid. the object of using 12 oclock is to get the tires filled to 75% at 1 oclock the tires will be filled less than 75% hope that makes sense.
I was going to do this to my Kioti CK2610 this weekend till I saw my (RED) bank statement. I will try in the next couple of weeks as I need the extra weight when working on a small pond build.
@@cutweldngrind The extra weight helps in a huge way.
That's great Dave I bought a small 110v pump and put it in a 5 gallon bucket it worked good but not as fast as your pump. I got down to the last gallon to put in and the tire came off the bead from the weight and I lost almost all my washer fluid.
oh man that sucks! I was so worried I would come off the bead as well. this is why I used the backhoe riggers to lift it up good. I started to use a jack but I knew if it fell off the jack I would surely break the bead then. it all went pretty well.
Hi Dave,
I was wondering why not just jack tire up enough that the bottom is round ?
Maybe even ease it back down a little.
Then it shouldn't come off the bead, should it ?
he Vic I'm not real sure. according to my son who worked for Kubota tire beads do come loose when doing this occasionally. its no real solution other than leave enough air in the tire to keep that from happening. my original theory was to leave 30 psi of air in the tire and use the high pressure pump to pump in another 15 pounds since it will pump to 70 psi I figured it would certainly add another 15 psi of fluid to a 30 psi tire. needless to say I got confident and daring and just went for it. I likely still had about 5psi in the tire even though it read zero. both tires were just off the ground. a flat spot would have worked better as I was parked on a slight hill.
Good morning Dave,
I have been pondering what to do since last year, ever since I started working down by the creek bank. I finally just decided what ever I did, would be the wrong choice and went with wheel weights, which doesn't put the weight as low as the fluid, but won't damage the brand new rims, I had to buy to put on commercial tread tires.
I have 280 lbs per wheel and room enough for one more weight on the bolts. Sure feels like a different tractor, than the old L3300 with Turf tires. Especially when digging out Asian Autumn Olive crap, with the loader.
Now wish loader bucket was couple feet shorter and wouldn't dig up such a wide hole :-( 15 years ago I could have cut my way down there. But then 15 years ago, didn't have many of those damn things ( I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you ) !!!XX%$#^
Vic so true the government seems to want to save us all. lol I don't think the windshield washer fluid will hurt the rims or tires even long term. if I did I would not have used it. seems the washer fluid is widely used by dealerships as an option.
What a beauty! Beautiful coat on her!
she is a sweetie to. been a great friend to me.
Is she a hound or a pointer?
walker hound
Great tip again Dave. Best part is I have most everything I need already. Thanks for always keeping things simple.
I sure enjoyed the project. hope it helps some folks. I hope to make a video soon about what I like and dislike about having the tires loaded.
I'll be looking forward to what you think.
If the law comes around they’ll think you are setting up to run some shine with all those empty jugs laying around. Lol. Great video Dave. Be safe my friend.
for real I had to lay them out and run them all over with the tractor to flatten them out. they would not all fit in the recycle bin like they were. lol
daveknowshow
I thought maybe you were gonna make a huge windmill out of them gallon jugs by cutting them in a way to take air and spin, and maybe power batteries for electricity savings.cool manifold set up! Looked fun to build!
yes sir a windmill would have been a good idea with all those bottles. to late now.
This is what I will be doing. Thats a slick setup. Wow that's cheap. We have 2 autozones near me. Don't know if rural King will match your price. Thanks for the tip. I will need about 100 gallons. Might buy 12 extra though. Lol.
thanks brother I was pleasantly pleased with the results.
parts list in description
@@daveknowshow Thank you so much Dave!! That sure helps out.
no problem sorry for the delay I had to find the ticket with all the stock numbers.
Thanks for sharing. It would be a shame after I've put ballast and didnt use the 12v sprayer I already have, saves time.
yes it does make things so much easier.
Nice project. I know pumping is way faster, but if I connected an inverted jug above the fill valve in a closed system, wouldn't the fluid run down into the tire and the air gurgle back into the jug? I want to do this to my lawn tractor for ballast for a snow blower. I think we are only talking 6 gallons in each tire. I realize the jug could not hold any pressure. I may add an inner tube so the bead doesn't become a problem.
Try it and see?
I liked this video, need to do my tractor. I installed a loader and don't have no rear traction. My tires look to be about the same size as yours, so, 29 to 30 gallons per tire should do it. Thanks for the tip, I also subscribed as well.
thanks for subscribing and leaving a comment. I hope you find many other useful tractor related how to videos on my channel. also you may look over the links on these tire fill charts to get a better estimate on how many gallons you need.
www.rimguardsolutions.com/beet-juice-is-better/tire-fill-chart/
I put the wheel on a flat surface , break the bead one side and just pour it in, real quick.
interesting
Dave, I'd love to hear some pros and cons you may have discovered from the added ballast. I have refrained from adding tire fluid to keep my tractor light when mowing. Parts of my farm don't drain well and can be rather soft.
I want to use it a bit first and then I will do a follow up on how I feel about it and what issues it created.
I just ordered two tubes yesterday getting ready to do mine .
the extra weight made a huge difference in traction and stability.
I know I can sure tell the difference on a incline side ways. Sure makes me feel better, with the extra stability .
yes Vic I agree. after filling the tires I moved some stuff on pallets on a hillside that before had my tractor up on three wheels. after adding the ballast I was able to better lift those pallets and move them around. plus the added traction is what I was really after. my traction was so bad I could barely use the box blade uphill in two wheel drive. I hope this added ballast will help with that issue. I like to use two wheel drive most of the time. four wheel drive is harder on the machine and the tires unless you are on slick surfaces like mud or snow and maybe wet grass. hope you are both doing well thought about you as I was planning an upcoming video project I hope you will like. not sure when I will get it done. I have the stuff here to do it well most of it. to many projects not enough time.
Awesome, thank you Sir!
thank you for stopping by and leaving a comment! it means a lot to me when these videos help folks. its what I love to do help folks. just how I was raised.
I’d like to know where you get the adapter that attaches to the valve stem… great videos…😊
Any tractor supply store has them.
That is so cool! So what if it's over built, it made for a great video. You can see everything that's happing and it was fast. Thanks Dave
it was a fun project all this stuff pvc fitting gauges and stuff has been sitting in the corner since last year. I have a couple projects like that I hope to get finished before the end of summer. glad you enjoyed it.
I'm looking forward to the next project.
Believe it would pump even faster, letting a little air bypass while filling
I tried that on the other side and the fluid seem to take the path of least resistance which meant in did not go in the tire but instead back in the tank.
Any tips/tricks on how to add wheel spacers or flip a wheel that has over 300lbs of ballast fluid added?
this why we all need two tractors. lol
Dave, I watched this video before but I had to see it again. I just didn't remember the whole thing but I do now. That is a neat contraption and it surely worked like a champ. Now, did you over-engineer it? I don't think so. It did what you needed it to do. Now had it blown up while you were pumping fluid, that would have only been a 'technical difficulty" not a fail (ha). Great video. I enjoyed a full-watch and learned something more. Thanks and enjoy your week. Man, it's hotter than a hot tin roof down here. I'm ready for fall weather. Later
been sticky humid here as well we getting ready for storms tonight so maybe we will cool off a bit. thanks for dropping by.
I haven't filled my tires yet but I'm looking into removing my tires, let out all the air, popping the bead on valve side of Tim. Using some type of weight holding the tire down, I should be able to fill the tire quickly. Now, knowing my luck, I'll pop the bead on wrong side of the tire. That mistake would make it extremely hard to re air the tire. Never did this on a tractor yet, should work. EDITED: For anyone that read my "Pop the bead" comment. Don't do it. I've renamed so many tires attempting to reseal beads using chains and cargo straps to re-bead that cost too much peace of mind. Just don't do it.
I would avoid breaking the bead. they can be a bear to get back sealed good and not leak. this method works great. there are other methods similar to this that may be less costly in regards to having a pump. honestly you can buy just the pump for a sprayer like mine and put it in a 5 gallon bucket.
@@daveknowshow Great to know this. I've popped the bead on many different tires and the bigger the harder to get the seal fixed again. I've changed my mind about breaking the seal. If anyone has never done this, Dave is right. Best not to do this. Most new tractor owners like myself, will get mad because they tried it. Thanks Dave.
Did it twice, went well, just add 3 4x4 under the tire edges climb in the middle of the wheel and inflate. And be care full cuz it WILL inflate very fast!! (low air volume)
Overkill is underrated. I like the way you think. This was the perfect setup in my opinion. You made sure to not over pressurize the tire while not splashing windshied washer everywhere. You have a very precise way to confirm liquid level. And it was quite fast too! Ingenious. I had to replay 3 times the price per gallon. I could not believe it! I've never done any search about windshield washer versus rubber. Is this safe for rubber in the long term? Thanks for sharing with us this nice idea!
from what I have been told windshield washer fluid is safe for use with rubber and is a highly used choice in ballast by many tractor dealerships. the additives that keep it from freezing are along the same lines as antifreeze which is also used in tractor tires but cost a bit more per gallon. according to autozone management the price on this washer fluid does fluctuate from time to time based on inventory. I got this price at the end of the cold season in virginia. which is when they are less likely to sell negative 20 degree washer fluid. there is still a discount on quantities of 12 but may very based on where and when you purchase it. the store I got mine at only had 5 gallons but they contacted all the local stores and had all their inventory sent to my store and I picked up 72 gallons although I only needed 58 gallons and could have just bought 60 gallons. I did not want to risk spilling some and needing more. he said I could return what I did not use although I have already been putting it my car. the more my eyes age the more my windshield needs cleaning. " I like to blame my poor eye sight on a dirty windshield". ha ha
Thanks for the information. Very useful. I plan on adding balast on the small Bolens. It will be windshield washer for sure. The Case already has balast, which is most likely calcium. On a side note, I am a freak of clean winshield. I apply Aquapel on the windshield twice a year and it helps a lot keeping the winshield clean.
I may need to get some of that aquapel myself. thanks for the tip
My eyes have always been effected by glare since I had pneumonia in the first grade. A dirty windshield really causes a lot of glare it seems. Truck may be really dirty, but windshield will probably be clean :-).......to old to keep truck clean any more :-(
Vic I know the feeling my car is filthy outside from tree sap but my windshield must be clean. the glare kills me as well. my poor eyes are really suffering lately. I hope to see an eye doctor soon. not very excited about seeing yet another doctor. lol
I didn't see a link for the water pump sir? What type or how powerful is that pump if I may ask sir?
its a sprayer 16 gallon is what I think I said in the video and I also specify how many gallons per minute the pump is and how much psi it puts out. I bought this sprayer from Northern tool. long ago and I dont remember the specs. it may be this one.
www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200726347_200726347
@@daveknowshow yeah I admittedly fast forward it a little so I must of missed that while typing my response. I researched it. Thanks for the response sir 🙂.
Brilliant
thank you and thanks for stopping by my channel I'm sure you will find many valuable tractor related tricks tips and techniques on this channel. if you have some spare time grab a cup of coffee and take a look through my archives .
i did same thing, but got mine at roses for a buck per jug, i put new tire on my tractor and just pour fluid in tires then pumped them up.
that works great price to.
Why not just leave both valves fully open until fluid starts coming out of the bleed side. Looks like it would go faster if you weren’t pumping against any back pressure.
the reason why is because the fluid will take the path of least resistance and simply go back to tank rather than into the tire. we have to maintain some tire pressure or the tire itself will come loose off the rim losing the seal at the bead. hope that makes sense.
I let mine run until it didn't show on the tirre gauge and never even bothered to jack the tractor up. The sidewalls didn't even bulge hardly. Must be some stiff tires.
thats good to know. my son said they always use a jack to take the weight off when filling because if the bead does break on those big tires it can be a pain to seat the bead back plus it makes a mess if the bead breaks while filing the tire. your right though these side walls are tough!
Hey Dave, excellent setup and thank you so much for showing this. I need to get some more traction especially for the winter and am thinking of doing this. However I have a backhoe that I run on my l2501 and I think I read not to run it with loaded tires. Just curious but have you run yours with the tires loaded? I wouldn't have the BH on through the winter but come spring/summer I'd be switching out. Guessing that might mean I need to drain the tires. Not sure. Thanks again and take care!
you re 100% correct that is exactly what the manual says. this is why it took me so long to decide to do this. I cant tell you if I was wrong or right for adding the ballast. my intention when I built this manifold was so in the event that I needed to leave the hoe on for a long period of time I could use the manifold to drain the washer fluid out. I plan to install a air valve in one line. this way I could shut off one valve pump air in to about 35 or 40 psi and then close that volve and open the other to allow the washer fluid to push out into a 55 gallon drum. I have never done this yet and as you seen I did install the backhoe and use it with the tires loaded. the question is will this hurt the tractor and how will it hurt the tractor. so this is the rumors I hear from Kubota. the reason they do NOT want the rear tires loaded when the backhoe is installed is because it will create TO MUCH traction and the tractor will not be able to spin the tires and therefore it could damage the differential or transmission if you tried pushing or pulling a load on hard surfaces with the backhoe on and the tires loaded. the motor is strong enough that it may not stall before it actually broke something. so when the hoe is on I take special care to not try and push to much load with the front end loader. I don't push the pile from the bottom if its wet heavy or has been sitting for a long while. I think if I was leaving the hoe on for a long period of time I may remove the washer fluid. this is also one of the reasons I went with washer fluid rather than rim guard. rim guard is heavier so that would create even more strain on the tractor. I will say this you can really tell the difference when the backhoe is on and the rear tires are loaded compared to when the backhoe is on and the rear tires are not loaded. I know I would never get all the washer fluid out but I could get nearly all of it out just by placing the valve at 6 oclock rather than 12 oclock. hope that make sense. if you have any additional questions or need clarification on any of this please ask and I will do the best I can to explain it further. I may install that valve on the manifold and do a video on that. maybe even show draining the rear tires and see how fast I can get them empty. thanks for the question.
@@daveknowshow Thank you,sir, for the insights. I wasn't thinking about how I could possibly have too much traction but now that you explain it I see where the bh with loaded tires could combine for so much weight that something would have to give out if the tires couldn't spin. I'm a tractor novice but that makes sense to me. The bh adds a lot of weight in and of itself. I think the bh77 I run is somewhere around 900lbs. Anyway, I'm getting ready to store the bh and I think I'll give your method a go in loading the rears for the winter and decide whether to leave it or drain it next spring. I've got a box blade that I use quite a bit and wouldn't mind having the traction with loaded tires. It may come down to being extra careful when using the bh. Thanks again, Dave, for getting back to me so quickly. Please keep up the good work. It's much appreciated!
@@awac4577 always glad to help my friend. that is my plan to simply be more cautious when the backhoe is installed. typically the hoe is on and off as needed. generally I either have the box blade or a road blade installed more than the backhoe even in the summer.
Pretty cool! I always wondered how much fluid they put in. I am guessing that will not rust the rims? I am thinking you built it the way was needed bleeding off to keep filling. I just recently learned of that beet juice product weighs more.
no it dont hurt the rims and yes beet juice is heavier however not enough to warrant the cost difference in my mind or my wallet. lol ha ha. this works very well for me because if I need to I can remove the washer fluid into a drum and it dont smell. the rim guard is nasty stuff to work with. plus I can install the washer fluid myself with the parts I built. if I need a gallon more just run to any store. not so with rim guard. typically you have to pay them to come out and install it for you. I started to use rim guard myself they offered to sell it to me at a local dealer in a 55 gallon drum. the washer fluid just seemed faster cleaner and less expensive for my use.
@@daveknowshow Never thought about the beet juice smelling bad...
Looks Great
thanks seems to work very well. fast to.
Where did you find the pressure gauge
northern tool dot come. you can also get them on amazon
Dave, is that w/w fluid corrosive? Even if it is, it can’t be as bad as the stuff the dealer put in my rear tires back in 2001. Thanks for the video
no sir its no more corrosive than antifreeze which is what a lot of dealerships use. its also way less corrosive than calcium chloride that use to be exclusively used years ago and still is used a lot today. many people have used washer fluid and reported no problems in the tractor forums online.
I agree with Dave. It is not corrosive. The old calcium is what eats your rims and kills all vegetation for years if you get a leak.
use RV antifreeze, non corrosive.
you aced it
sure made a huge difference. more stable and plenty pushing traction.
Came to check you out from love2boat.
thank you very much for dropping by. I hope you find some of the techniques and designs I have developed over the years useful. there is lots of good informative videos on this channel where I explain how and why I use implements the way I do. also you will find tooling and devices that I developed to tackle what ever task I had to at the time. feel free to use any of my designs for your own personal use. I truly appreciate you dropping by and if you have any questions just let me know. I will do my best to get you an answer.
Diaphragm pump is the way to go! Good work on the Manifold
yes seems to work very well.
Hey Dave, do you have a list of parts to make that knozzle go from the pump to the tire to the air drain? I think I'm going to do what you did to fill the tires I have. Have to get a sprayer though.
yeah I already had the sprayer so it worked out great for me. a sprayer comes in handy and the pump in there pumps up right much pressure. I will try and get a parts list together and post it.
@@daveknowshow Thank you!!! Did you have a tube in the tire?
No tube they say this washer fluid does not hurt anything. easy on rubber and metal so I just pumped it in like it is. main thing I worry about is leaking around the bead if pressure drops low. so far it has not been an issue. still working out great. very stable now on the hills compared to before. it is a rougher ride.
Dave, do you have any idea how much weight the 29 gallons of fluid added?
241.86 pounds per tire. 8.34 pounds per gallon for the cost compared to beet juice I had to go with washer fluid. much cheaper and weight was not that much more.
@@daveknowshow beet
@phdfxwg Fischercat 12.4 - 24 according to the online chart is 30 gallons per tire
www.rimguardsolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/RimGuardBeetJuiceTireFillChart.pdf
@phdfxwg Fischercat 30 gallons (www.messicks.com/blog/post/Liquid-Tire-Ballast-Chart.aspx)
WHY LEFT AIR PRESSURE BEFORE PUMPING LIQUID THAT MAKE PUMPING HARDER
if you let out to much air the tire will come off the rim bead and its a pain to get back on nd sealed. leaving a few pounds of air pressure in there keeps the tire sealed on the rim. hope I explained that correctly.
Do your rear tires have an inner tube or does the fluid go straight into the tire?
Thank you
no tubes straight in the tire. I did have a little seeping at one spot on the edge at the bead. I simply pumped her up to 30psi with air and drove it around a bit. the next day I positioned the valve stem at the top 12 o'clock and drained off the air to read 20 psi it has not leaked a drop. I may let another 5 psi out to bring it down to between 15 psi and 18 psi for added traction and a little softer ride. the fluid did make the ride a lot stiffer. thanks for the great question and for commenting. also some people do install tubes when adding fluid mostly its when adding calcium chloride because its so corrosive.
Thank you
I have been thinking of adding fluid to mine but have not done it yet. Let me know if it makes a big difference.
I'm gonna try it a bit and see what all the negatives are and then do a follow up video about what I dislike about it.
great video! Can you post a parts list for your manifold? Thanks
I can try. I actually had a parts list here and for some reason it did not get posted with the video. if I get it up I will comment here for you.
parts list in description
Great video, thanks! I think your list of supplies might be a bit off though.
the list was accurate when published. the item numbers and links may have changed over time making them no longer viable. each link was verified when posted. when I have time I will check them and try to correct any that have changed.
nice vid what size was your tires
15-19.5 industrial tire
thanks
Antifreeze in a sprayer that you use for spraying food?
never said anything about spraying food. the sprayer is used for round up to spray vegetation on asphalt and gravel driveways, along fence lines and so on.
What size tire / 14,9-24 ?
15 x 19.5
used antifreeze is free at radiator or oil change shops. If you pump it out and put into your own container.
this is true however they tend to mix all sorts of stuff in those same containers. not to mention all the junk people put in radiators like stop leak and such. I started to do exactly what you said but was made aware of all the contaminants that will likely be in old antifreeze. washer fluid on the other hand was new and a lot less expensive than new antifreeze.
Neat setup , a little over engineered.
lol yeah I sometimes go a little over board with these thing. I need to learn to keep things simple sometimes. but it was fun to do and believe it or not several people have made these now and they also enjoyed doing it. one guy says he is going into the tire filling business now. lol ha ha thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment!
IMPLEMENT MAKE BEST BALLAST FOR YOUR TRACTOR
true but when you need added power to ground in order to pull that rear ground engaging implement you simply cant hardly complain about tire ballast. I think the windshield washer fluid is cleaner and less damaging to rims and tires than other options. as I said it also helped a lot when pulling the plow, road blade or boxblade having the extra weight in the tires to engage the power to the ground.
you do know that you can get this done incredibly cheap by a professional right? for about 2-2.50$ per gallon you can have an actual liquid ballast that is designed for this not just a store bought over the counter product that will literally rust and dry rot your rims? If you are going to do this at least use RV antifreeze not washer fluid I cant believe how many people use washer fluid its amazing. not to mention the cost of building that manifold and the time it took to make it.
not true this was by far less expensive and washer fluid, antifreeze and such is what most tractor dealers use. if you are referring to beet juice its quite a bit more expensive than what I did this for. this is NOT something I went willy nelly into. this is something I have researched for several years before doing this. now if you have it done on a new tractor at the dealer they may build it into the cost just to make the tractor sale. that was not the case for me. additionally they use windshield washer fluid at a lot of dealers. it does not hurt or rust the rims or have any more or less effect on tires than any other product does long term. beet juice is a smelly mess that stains anything it gets on. the manifold was cheap to make but more importantly it was a fun project that was educational. of course some folks can not do things like that they lack the talent but those folks likely should not own a dangerous machine like a tractor anyway.
@@daveknowshow I'm not talking about beet juice. They make actual products for this most commonly as of late has been tl90 it's a non corrosive non reactive formula that doesn't freeze and you can get it for around 2.50$ a gallon installed at alot of industrial tire locations. Washer fluid is made up of mostly water and alcohol which is going to slowly eat away at your tires and rims creating ling term issues. Yes washer fluid is the cheapest. But cheap is not nearly the best way to go.
additionally RV antifreeze may not freeze solid but it does freeze into a thick blob of jell that flops around in the tire during extreme cold temperatures. I would never use that stuff originally I was going with RV antifreeze until I discovered this before putting it in. my son works for Kubota they use antifreeze in tires there. the man down the road from me just bought a john dear from a large dealership here in fact the largest " jamesriver equipment" it has windshield washer fluid in it which was installed and sold to the buyer as wheel ballast. beet juice is available here but its more cost over twice per gallon and then they charge to put it in. I try extremely hard to only upload and create videos with 100% accurate information at the time the video is created. with all that said many folks may not want to mess with doing it themselves and for them they can see in this video what all is involved and feel more comfortable knowing its best they NOT attempt it and instead pay someone else. for the others they can see a very educational video showing the actual pressures as well as the manifold and how I went about it in a fashion that was with in my budget. hope that helps explain thanks for your comment it is much appreciated!
@@whitelightningraceproducti7756 I have never heard of tl90. you would think if something is out that is cheaper and that much better all the tractor places would be using it or at least know about it. I have never read any reports or seen any reports about washer fluid damaging tires or rims. you are the first I have ever heard mention this. calcium chloride yes but washer fluid I have never heard anyone mention damage from long term exposure inside a tractor tire. I could see the manufacturers of a new product trying to make that claim to increase sales. I will check into this tl90. like I said my son worked for Kubota and spent lots of time with tire shops loading tires never in all his years of doing that work has he ever seen washer fluid mess up a rim or tire. people been using it for a great many years and I have yet to read on any forum that washer fluid created an issue with a tire or rim. calcium chloride yes but never once have I read washer fluid did any damage at all.
@@whitelightningraceproducti7756 just did a search on TL90 its beet juice and the same as rim guard. both are beet juice. so I'm very familiar with beet juice.
USE BEET JUICE
I could have but after much research and pondering this windshield washer fluid was a much better deal for the money. plus the washer fluid don't smell so bad and I can install it myself. the beet juice AKA rim guard is pricey compared to this washer fluid. and required I pay them to install it which meant paying them to bring a service truck here or paying to have the tractor delivered to them. this option with washer fluid was quick and easy and inexpensive with nearly the same amount of weight. the small difference in weight was sure not worth the cost difference to me. nor is it to many other people including many tractor dealerships who also use washer fluid in their tires.
You made it just right.
must have been a good idea seems like a lot of people have used this design with good outcomes. thanks for stopping by the channel