Great interview. The psychologising of Western Buddhism - yes - it's so in its head.. I see the same happening with shamanism, it's been turned into a nice, safe, alternative form of secular psychotherapy, it's taken the spirits out of it. Shamanism (and tantra) is red in tooth and claw :) I must invite Dr Joffe to write for Sacred Hoop Magazine, the magazine about shamanism I've edited since 1993.
🙏😍✨In “DUNE”, the Bene Gesserit Witches can develop the power of “Truth-Sense”, and I feel like I’m channeling that ability now - And it’s telling me : Dr Ben Joffe is absolutely 💯 sincere, and… EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS 100% TRUE!!!!💥🤯💥 Mind : Blown. Bless You Both for this WONDEROUS Interview!!! ✨🕉️❤️🔥✨✨✨✨✨
Regarding practicing regularly but not really enough, Namkhai Norbu used to often say essentially, "we're not really Dzogchen practitoners, you dont need to go there, those people are really full on, they are not normal, they are always practicing even when they are sleeping and thats what it takes, you can be normal and be a good Dzogchen practioner, Vajrayanaists can easily miss the point of practice to realize and be in your real nature. I was just listening to an interview with Palga Rinpoche done by on eof his students a very popular TH-camr in India, Palga Rinpoche says, "Yeah you have to do your formal yidam practice 12 hours per day, we essentially brain wash ourselves to become the yidam deity." When you think you are really pretty decent because you do 3-4 hours for 12 years its really kind of devastating actually and throw in the fact the guru really doesnt remember who you are and then you dont see him for three years because of lockdown, you really have to ask yourself what you are doing with your life, but there's not going back so you just hope something someday will happen before you die.
Wow, great. To me, Ben Joffe represents the best of the scholar / practitioner, bringing a great depth of rigorous understanding together with a path of practice and discovery. Much gratitude to Guru V and Ben J for making for this episode.
I was very fortunate to have the chance to study Tibetan Buddhism w some teachers for a few years and sometimes I feel like I missed the point when I hear people who talk about it thru books a lot? But then I listen to Ben again and I recognize that strain of transmission once again. We are very fortunate to have him, mind and heart together.
I am a student of Loppon Jigme Namgyal Thutop Rinpoche....his Father, Yeshe Dorje was the Abbot of Repkong...his Mother a Throma practitioner. He is Buddha. Nagar can be "human"...Gods...yes but these are just intelligent E.T.'s (Reptilians) we do, as you alluded to....live in a densely populated place full of sentience.
Yeah, I agree, one of the best interviews on this channel. I have easily had the freakiest experiences on a Vajrayana retreat in the mountains and it seemed to be all emanating from the presiding lama who's father was a secret lama and exorcist, It started with hearing lots of demons and ghost stories sitting around after dinner, then I would go back to my tent at night and encounter a whole range of very palpable beings and visions. I never experinced anything like it and it went on nightly for several nights never to return after the retreat. So It doesnt matter if you dont believe in that kind of thing or not, get involved with the right lama in the right time and place and it will happen. If you want to keep your scientific-materialist world view then maybe pursue the science of mind Western Buddhists, I forget the guy's name, I remember Dzognsar Khyentse went through a phase where he seemed to feel obliged to deride the guy during the course of a talk.
Wow! This is such a great conversation. Ben, there are many people who this conversation is helpful for. It’s a refuge in a way. Even if some might not receive conscious benefit, some do.. For those who derive benefit it is very helpful for counteracting the alienating feeling of having these experiences which you mentioned. So, thank you both for sharing.
Thank you Guru Steve for continuing to interview such people. Much respect and gratitude for adding the 'chapters' or whatever those are called that I can click on the time stamps and see what is in the video. Been watching you since Daniel Ingram, have him on again sometime! You rock!
When using the term "demonology" it is a good idea to explain the etymology of the (Ancient Greek) word demon (δαίμων). Δαίμων was a term used to describe lesser deities (including guardians) or guiding (ancestral) spirits. Socrates famously had a guiding demon that helped him correctly understand phenomena. Basically, the term god (θεότητα) was used to describe anthropomorphic beings, while demon (δαίμων) was used to refer to an undefinable power, or being. The term comes from the verb δαίω, which means to "dispense to" or "to share out". As such it did not necessarily have negative connotations (unless one's share of what was being dispensed: fortune, goods, luck, etc. was somehow lacking). The term ευδαιμονία (for example) refers to happiness, joy or bliss. The term demon (later) took on a negative meaning after the arrival of Judaism, and especially its offshoot Christianity. If something was not directly related to (the one true) God, then it was a demon (and thus nasty).
In English the term "daimon" has come into usage to distinguish what you mention as "an undefinable power, or being" that has a guiding presence (as was Hermes to Socrates) from a potential trouble-maker. But terms such as daimon, demon, angel, devil, deva, god, goddess, spirit and soul are slippery to get hold of in the abstract.
What the Guru Viking said about how in the west Buddhism has been turned into nothing more then psychology and mental gymnastics is so true. In the west they are also turning Buddhism into an atheist friendly form of philosophy. Western Buddhism is far cut off from the Mahayana and Tibet traditions, and beliefs. Modern psychology are using Eastern modalities in the practice of psychology. I would even go as far to say that everything psychology has right about treating and understanding the mind is nothing more than Buddhism just using different terms or words for the explanations, and treatments. Western understanding of Buddhism is dry and soulless. You could say the west has stripped away the spirit of Buddhism. I am okay with this because the Dharma is being spread and taught in a way that resonates with different beings. It used to really bug me but I’ve changed my view.
I literally came across a video of one white guy who boasted that 20 ppl in his sangha has ‘completed the Bhumi work’ since 2020. Buddhism is in trouble. 💀
@@lingy74Said one Buddhist to another: " Regarding the 5 poisons of greed hatred delusion jealousy and pride I've dealt with the first 4! Just one to go!"😊
He has one of the most killer chin & mullet I have ever seen. It's good to look at the Dark Side here and there. As Nietzsche said: when you stare into the Void, the Void stares into you.
this is like going backwards a bit don't you think, if you identify with a particular pattern, believing you are this and not anything else, you will orient your life towards replicating that pattern, but this is diluted because you are more like pure Consciousness (C), temporarily embodying a particular pattern. you shouldn't give your power to that pattern because you are fundamentally something deeper.
Absolutely fantastic. Very interesting, the ideas are out there that Tibet went from many millions population to now just few millions and ever decreasing with the Chinese invasion /conquest but also co- incedental with Buddhist non violence.
Love this! We could all use some teachings of what's going on at every "Now moment" per se, I came across a movement called Talk to the entities where a woman who could see and converse with entities created a way for every day people to help entities cross over by simply reaching out to them and offering them the opportunity to move on. It's quite effective, I practically use this at an ongoing rate due to so many entities influencing us some just not being aware that they can move forward and choose a new path. It also addresses demons, ancestors, A.I. some that are called Tekki entities and of course the unknown ones as well. There are countless forms of spirit beings that exist and this is a perfect way for us to become aware of. Thanks for this knowledge! Keep it comin! Lol ^,^
Demonology is hilarious to me. Why only focus on demons? Ego, compulsion, possession would be the only logical reasons. So cute seeing humans chase power in the dumbest ways. Especially when they think they have something that they clearly don’t.
1:17:28 In those biographies, the yogis especially employed compassion, in addition to wisdom, when dealing with spirits. You mentioned the wisdom of emptiness, but in the thick of things, sometimes people have trouble seeing the emptiness of demons.
... & 1 step beyond, is ALL, it takes, in order to get totally lost. Get out of bed in the middle of the might, become directionally disoriented, & ...
Whats interesting about him? The unhinged meth fueled rants about drugs and molesting kids where he mistranslates and mis contextualizes everything to fit his narrative?
I don't mind people sharing opposing views, but your comment is hostile and doesn't add anything to the discussion or challenge anything. It is just you saying that you think it is bullshit, which is your own problem.
I am just now starting to understand and apply some of these concepts into my practice. I have studied and practiced Mahayana, and Tibetan practices for two decades but had never really done any of the esoteric practices. Unfortunately I live in a small town and have no access to a spiritual master or a temple where I can lean from someone qualified. I was reading the Lankavatara sutra, their is an incantation for protection but I have refrained from reciting it until I understand how to recite the magic spell properly, and really understand the meaning and purpose on the incantation. There is almost no information anywhere on this incantation. I am doing various mantras now with my mala beads and doing small rituals before meditation that I learned from the nectar of Manjushri. Are there any books where I can learn more about how to do ritual and interact in a safe way with my Buddha spiritual family? I am also studying Taoist Magic and the I Ching.
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Great interview. The psychologising of Western Buddhism - yes - it's so in its head.. I see the same happening with shamanism, it's been turned into a nice, safe, alternative form of secular psychotherapy, it's taken the spirits out of it. Shamanism (and tantra) is red in tooth and claw :) I must invite Dr Joffe to write for Sacred Hoop Magazine, the magazine about shamanism I've edited since 1993.
Is it online
🙏😍✨In “DUNE”, the Bene Gesserit Witches can develop the power of “Truth-Sense”, and I feel like I’m channeling that ability now - And it’s telling me :
Dr Ben Joffe is absolutely 💯 sincere, and…
EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS 100% TRUE!!!!💥🤯💥
Mind : Blown.
Bless You Both for this WONDEROUS Interview!!! ✨🕉️❤️🔥✨✨✨✨✨
Regarding practicing regularly but not really enough, Namkhai Norbu used to often say essentially, "we're not really Dzogchen practitoners, you dont need to go there, those people are really full on, they are not normal, they are always practicing even when they are sleeping and thats what it takes, you can be normal and be a good Dzogchen practioner, Vajrayanaists can easily miss the point of practice to realize and be in your real nature. I was just listening to an interview with Palga Rinpoche done by on eof his students a very popular TH-camr in India, Palga Rinpoche says, "Yeah you have to do your formal yidam practice 12 hours per day, we essentially brain wash ourselves to become the yidam deity." When you think you are really pretty decent because you do 3-4 hours for 12 years its really kind of devastating actually and throw in the fact the guru really doesnt remember who you are and then you dont see him for three years because of lockdown, you really have to ask yourself what you are doing with your life, but there's not going back so you just hope something someday will happen before you die.
Wow, great. To me, Ben Joffe represents the best of the scholar / practitioner, bringing a great depth of rigorous understanding together with a path of practice and discovery. Much gratitude to Guru V and Ben J for making for this episode.
I was very fortunate to have the chance to study Tibetan Buddhism w some teachers for a few years and sometimes I feel like I missed the point when I hear people who talk about it thru books a lot? But then I listen to Ben again and I recognize that strain of transmission once again. We are very fortunate to have him, mind and heart together.
I am a student of Loppon Jigme Namgyal Thutop Rinpoche....his Father, Yeshe Dorje was the Abbot of Repkong...his Mother a Throma practitioner. He is Buddha. Nagar can be "human"...Gods...yes but these are just intelligent E.T.'s (Reptilians) we do, as you alluded to....live in a densely populated place full of sentience.
Wow, this is such an excellent and useful teaching among so many mouth farters on the channel. Thank you Dr Joffe and thank you Steve!
Yeah, I agree, one of the best interviews on this channel. I have easily had the freakiest experiences on a Vajrayana retreat in the mountains and it seemed to be all emanating from the presiding lama who's father was a secret lama and exorcist, It started with hearing lots of demons and ghost stories sitting around after dinner, then I would go back to my tent at night and encounter a whole range of very palpable beings and visions. I never experinced anything like it and it went on nightly for several nights never to return after the retreat. So It doesnt matter if you dont believe in that kind of thing or not, get involved with the right lama in the right time and place and it will happen. If you want to keep your scientific-materialist world view then maybe pursue the science of mind Western Buddhists, I forget the guy's name, I remember Dzognsar Khyentse went through a phase where he seemed to feel obliged to deride the guy during the course of a talk.
Wow! This is such a great conversation. Ben, there are many people who this conversation is helpful for. It’s a refuge in a way. Even if some might not receive conscious benefit, some do.. For those who derive benefit it is very helpful for counteracting the alienating feeling of having these experiences which you mentioned. So, thank you both for sharing.
ben bringing the clear-eyed goods. no need for magical thinking or a distinction between "gods" and "demons" once you get past your naivety.
Thank you Guru Steve for continuing to interview such people. Much respect and gratitude for adding the 'chapters' or whatever those are called that I can click on the time stamps and see what is in the video. Been watching you since Daniel Ingram, have him on again sometime! You rock!
When using the term "demonology" it is a good idea to explain the etymology of the (Ancient Greek) word demon (δαίμων). Δαίμων was a term used to describe lesser deities (including guardians) or guiding (ancestral) spirits. Socrates famously had a guiding demon that helped him correctly understand phenomena. Basically, the term god (θεότητα) was used to describe anthropomorphic beings, while demon (δαίμων) was used to refer to an undefinable power, or being. The term comes from the verb δαίω, which means to "dispense to" or "to share out". As such it did not necessarily have negative connotations (unless one's share of what was being dispensed: fortune, goods, luck, etc. was somehow lacking). The term ευδαιμονία (for example) refers to happiness, joy or bliss. The term demon (later) took on a negative meaning after the arrival of Judaism, and especially its offshoot Christianity. If something was not directly related to (the one true) God, then it was a demon (and thus nasty).
In English the term "daimon" has come into usage to distinguish what you mention as "an undefinable power, or being" that has a guiding presence (as was Hermes to Socrates) from a potential trouble-maker. But terms such as daimon, demon, angel, devil, deva, god, goddess, spirit and soul are slippery to get hold of in the abstract.
2:11:09 "Oh, alien abduction! Not today, Satan!" lol
What the Guru Viking said about how in the west Buddhism has been turned into nothing more then psychology and mental gymnastics is so true. In the west they are also turning Buddhism into an atheist friendly form of philosophy. Western Buddhism is far cut off from the Mahayana and Tibet traditions, and beliefs. Modern psychology are using Eastern modalities in the practice of psychology. I would even go as far to say that everything psychology has right about treating and understanding the mind is nothing more than Buddhism just using different terms or words for the explanations, and treatments. Western understanding of Buddhism is dry and soulless. You could say the west has stripped away the spirit of Buddhism. I am okay with this because the Dharma is being spread and taught in a way that resonates with different beings. It used to really bug me but I’ve changed my view.
I literally came across a video of one white guy who boasted that 20 ppl in his sangha has ‘completed the Bhumi work’ since 2020. Buddhism is in trouble. 💀
@@lingy74Said one Buddhist to another: " Regarding the 5 poisons of greed hatred delusion jealousy and pride I've dealt with the first 4! Just one to go!"😊
Right off the bat lol
This is relatable! What a nice man
This was one of the best interviews ever.
Such a fascinating topic...thank you for sharing this video 🙏
! GENIUS INSIGHT...SUBLIME OBSERVATIONS...PROFOUND WISDOM... !
This channel is good 😊 Real Hard work 👍🏻 research
"They are Tibet!!!" Damn...
Wonderful interview, and always a pleasure listening to Ben. Thank you guys!
“It’s the ‘just’ part” Exactly Dr. Ben
Really appreciate this video. Added a lot of context to my experiences and immediately influenced my behaviors and interactions.
Oh Gosh, he would be much more serious in 'going there" if he was abducted by aliens, awake, and out with a friend who was also abducted
Im a Western Path person but this wasnt an obscure introduction, i recognise a lot of this 😊
the sentience is interesting.
non mundane senses
interesting
Wow, hello, Ben 😊
How to get hold of Dr Ben?
This was a crazy good interview! So validating. He is brilliant
Awesome guest! Thank you both!
Good little talk - Thanks for a "Straight Dope" talk ,- 😉👍
He has one of the most killer chin & mullet I have ever seen. It's good to look at the Dark Side here and there. As Nietzsche said: when you stare into the Void, the Void stares into you.
Big trouble in little Tibet
❤❤❤
Amazing and so intriguing to say the least! Lovely video.
Healing just listening to him😊
Yeah - it feel´s like a dude who knows what he talks about ,-
...really appreciated this one. Thanks.
this is like going backwards a bit don't you think, if you identify with a particular pattern, believing you are this and not anything else, you will orient your life towards replicating that pattern, but this is diluted because you are more like pure Consciousness (C), temporarily embodying a particular pattern. you shouldn't give your power to that pattern because you are fundamentally something deeper.
Thank you so much for this amazing discussion.
I would like to ask if you have seen any connections with Zoroastrian into Tibetan Buddhism
I think quite different. Zoroastrianism is more closely aligned to Abrahamic religions than Buddhism.
Sublime, Ben talks so well and cleary & deeply.
Absolutely LOVED this conversation!! Thank you Ben
Wonderful! 🙏 I am contemplating the Sponsors placing advertising on Alien Abduction Radio.…
Absolutely fantastic. Very interesting, the ideas are out there that Tibet went from many millions population to now just few millions and ever decreasing with the Chinese invasion /conquest but also co- incedental with Buddhist non violence.
Love this! We could all use some teachings of what's going on at every "Now moment" per se, I came across a movement called Talk to the entities where a woman who could see and converse with entities created a way for every day people to help entities cross over by simply reaching out to them and offering them the opportunity to move on. It's quite effective, I practically use this at an ongoing rate due to so many entities influencing us some just not being aware that they can move forward and choose a new path. It also addresses demons, ancestors, A.I. some that are called Tekki entities and of course the unknown ones as well. There are countless forms of spirit beings that exist and this is a perfect way for us to become aware of. Thanks for this knowledge! Keep it comin! Lol ^,^
Demonology is hilarious to me. Why only focus on demons? Ego, compulsion, possession would be the only logical reasons.
So cute seeing humans chase power in the dumbest ways. Especially when they think they have something that they clearly don’t.
Fascinating! I'm very much looking forward to "Part Two"
1:17:28 In those biographies, the yogis especially employed compassion, in addition to wisdom, when dealing with spirits. You mentioned the wisdom of emptiness, but in the thick of things, sometimes people have trouble seeing the emptiness of demons.
Fascinating!
1:13:20 ben references a book, which one was it?
I believe Ben is referring to the “dam can bstan srung rgya mtsho’i rnam thar” by the 5th Lelung Rinpoche
Does ben have any books? Also is there an email contact for him?
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Fantastic interview. Very relevant to my practice as usual. Love what you do. Please keep up the great work for the vajrayana community.
Tantra is spiritual technology using mantra, yantra, mudras and Ma Kali is the tantric goddess guide embodying her is living in awe.
In the case of Buddhist Tantra of course not.
Absolutely loved this lecture. I appreciate this. Thank you ⚓️🙏🏽🌹🍏
“You’re a wind body, transforming your wind.” 1:52
Aka - an ‘air-bender ‘ 😁
So great! Many thanks.
So good. All My Relations 🌸
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Sold the boat?
... & 1 step beyond, is ALL, it takes, in order to get totally lost. Get out of bed in the middle of the might, become directionally disoriented, & ...
Interesting discussion, Are you familiar with Dr Ammon Hilman! Can be viewed here on TH-cam at Lady Babylon 666
Whats interesting about him? The unhinged meth fueled rants about drugs and molesting kids where he mistranslates and mis contextualizes everything to fit his narrative?
This is some interesting bullshit , this guy really doesn't believe this does he?
Yes he does. He doesn't call it bullshit though.😂
Milarepa didn't call it bullshit either.
I don't mind people sharing opposing views, but your comment is hostile and doesn't add anything to the discussion or challenge anything. It is just you saying that you think it is bullshit, which is your own problem.
You are just mentally and spiritually inept, therefore through ignorance you will not have the capacity to understand or know these things.
I am just now starting to understand and apply some of these concepts into my practice. I have studied and practiced Mahayana, and Tibetan practices for two decades but had never really done any of the esoteric practices. Unfortunately I live in a small town and have no access to a spiritual master or a temple where I can lean from someone qualified. I was reading the Lankavatara sutra, their is an incantation for protection but I have refrained from reciting it until I understand how to recite the magic spell properly, and really understand the meaning and purpose on the incantation. There is almost no information anywhere on this incantation. I am doing various mantras now with my mala beads and doing small rituals before meditation that I learned from the nectar of Manjushri. Are there any books where I can learn more about how to do ritual and interact in a safe way with my Buddha spiritual family? I am also studying Taoist Magic and the I Ching.