Can we all just appreciate how this man consistently is able to have spirited driving sessions with really quick cars, while clearly talking about specs, and having perfect monologue throughout?????? LIKE.....HOW.... i need shut my mouth when I'm merging with fast traffic
When it comes to Porsche, any Porsche, I prefer the GTS. I love the almost subtle yet almost showy bits of sports looks in them. We love you Rory. Keep up this awesome work, buddy.
With the low number of allocations and huge markups on showroom GT3s, this is the next best thing, especially with a manual transmission and the lightweight package
I think and always did think that even from his top gear days, that his reviews are pretty dam excellent and he's consistently got a great balance of knowledge, driving and entertainment, well done sir!
Great review and full of energy as always from this presenter. This is the best 911 in my opinion with respect to pricing, options and availability. It ticks almost all boxes for the enthusiast. Forget about the gt variants and turbo variants, this is the best bang for buck 911 out there. No true car owner will ever be disappointed with this. He is absolutely right when he says not to go too far with the options. Porsche has specced this car pretty much bang on (Coupe rear wheel drive) before you even start going into options, and it should be kept as minimalistic as possible to truly appreciate it.
I'd think of the GTS as a Carrera S with Turbo S DNA. So if I want more power and better handling but without going AWD, the GTS sounds like a better buy.
Being restrained with the configuration, I got $143k. Rory did a really good job reviewing this car, but I think “affordable” is an interesting choice of words on his part.
I made a video with the previous gen 991.2 GTS which was the first time I had ever driven a 911 and to this day I still believe the GTS with a manual is the perfect balance of performance, engagement, and budget between a gt3, turbo/turbo s, and carrera.
Great review Rory! Top marks for sharing your thoughts whilst driving with skills few master! Top job around. It is also most probably the best iteration of the 911 992.1 yet.
Rory you are killing it Auto trader. Your reviews are funny spec specific real world driving and an honest opinion on whether to buy one. Keep it going brother. You’re going to take over TH-cam.
Yeah, good point. 100000k isn’t cheap for anyone. But even when you have a GTS specced to GT3 price the GT3 will be basically unobtainable to any ‘normal’ customer that wants to buy it. GT3 prices can go from £200000 to even 300000 second hand in some cases, so I guess in that way, the GTS looks a bit better value
This looks like an awesome alternative to the GT3. The GT3 is phenomenal but in reality it's probably a bit compromised at road going speeds. This GTS, with the torque, is probably more fun to drive and more comfortable for daily driving. Now I just need to win lotto so I can order one!!
An honest detailed explanation of a very complicated series of car with all the spec list. Thanks for the insight Rory 👍🏻 Just have to grow that money tree! 🌳 💰 🤑
£140k (GT3 Touring) is unaffordable for almost everyone - £111k (this 911 GTS) is unaffordable for almost everyone - most of us cannot 'actually buy'. Great review though.
@@AutoTraderTV OH! I totally didn't get that's what was meant by that title. As in... a Budget GT3 that's actually available. Understood. You're welcome to send me the money for either though!
Great review. I’m sold on the GTS. Right balance and mix of everything I’m looking for, for what will probably be my last ICE car purchase. Would have been great to hear more about how the manual gearbox felt though. The ongoing dilemma of Manual vs PDK. Heart says Manual, head says PDK.
I own both manual and auto transmission cars. Nothing beats the manual, if you want to really drive your car. The auto is better when you're doing mundane driving in traffic.
@@zix_zix_zix thanks - that’s helpful to know. It’s definitely a weekend car only so I’m also thinking Manual. I hear it’s also lighter than PDK - bonus!
Seriously? I know Porsche does this so you always assume the numbers are better than how they appear. I’ve got a 2gts coupe on order so I don’t know if you mean the 4 wheel drive or something but that’s way more than I thought
@@verycoolman1506 No it’s the 2.8 by numerous independent outlets on the RWD GTS. I’m on my 4th 911 and it’s been true from my 997, 991 and 992 models. My 992S can do 0 to 60 in 3.1 on a nice day flat out. I have been doing Porsche driving schools for over 7 years. Most people who buy a Porsche never exploit the true potential of the car but for those of us who do those tenths of a second matter. This kind of performance was limited to super cars 10 years ago. Porsche has produced a daily driver that is as fast to 60 as a 400k car was a decade ago.
I've got a 992.1 GTS. I have tracked it. Before it I had a 991.1 C2S with sports PASM, sports chrono, sports exhaust. I miss the 991.1. They are both good cars. I have driven 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 and GT3 RS's on track. The 992 GTS handles like a C2S with sports PASM, not a GT3 / GT3 RS. It is like a 2WD turbo. The downside of the car is it is too fast for the road and it ain't a GT3 on the track. In isolation, if I hadn't driven a GT3 or a GT3 RS, I would place the 992.1 GTS and my old 991.1 C2S equally as the best sports cars you can buy.
I don't think of this as a "mini" anything. For me, this is the ultimate porsche, "daily". Awd, coupe, MANUAL, rear-steer, carbon brakes. You can't buy that anywhere else. I WANT a manual. I also live in New York, and as I type this, it is 25° and snowing out. Not so bad that I need to take out a truck or suv, but 2" of snow and more on the way is definitely enough to not want to take out something rwd. Awd, is a boon. I don't look at this as a mini gt3, for the reason that the gt3 (and of course by extension the gt3rs and the gt2) as track cars for the road. Up to 7/10's the gts is better all the way around. Where it falls off is where the gt3 comes into its own, and being rwd is what I crave for the track. As for the 911 turbo s, I look at that as the everyday supercar. Or a supercar with teutonic sensibilities. Meaning, it has to do it all. Up to and including as a daily. So, to call it ansupercar is a misnomer. Again, to me, a supercar is one of those rare things that by it's very definition is for one type of thing and one type of thing only: 8/10's and above, or on a track, or short blasts on a suitable road, and as a mental health therapy session, etc, etc. The 911 turbo s does averything. So, calling it a supercar damns it with faint praise. But alas, it has no manual option, and is so powerful you can't use enough of its potential to get enough out of it on a public road to be able to fully enjoy it. And at 9/10's and above it has too much mass to keep up with the gt3, gt3rs, and gt2, on the track. Which leads me full circle: The car in Stuttgart's lineup that does it all as a daily driver, again for me, is the gts.
Hi There, I was looking to buy a 911 Turbo S, 2017. But, Porsche dealers are not in the market to make any buyer any deal, they want the buyer to beg for buying, i said; F**k Off!. I took my money and bought a 2018 Audi R8 plus, for a lot less cash, more warranty, and lower milage, ontop, i was able to bargain, it made me feel better, not the other way around. I dont see myself buying a Porsche ever now. A lot of prestige for the extremely wealthy. Too bad.
@@popeyepanther4519 yeah... porsche, has been playing the game like Ferrari does even before covid, and the chip shortage. That is an absolute glaring weakness, and it shouldn't be that way at all. The fact that you can get an r8 and not be treated that way but not a porsche where you are makes no sense.
@@TuvingtonD I've heard that the ceramics have gotten much better in the last few years. I think that the bedding in process plays a crucial role in how they perform over the lifetime of the brakes, though That's not to say that the steelies wouldn't be better in the extreme cold. Judt overall I believe the ceramics would be the better overall pick. They are certainly better for resale (though that's not a concern I have when buying anything. Also,, I've read that the ceramics in most drivers hands actually last the life of the vehicle for the average time of ownership.i also didn't know that the steel brakes cost 2500 for a full replacement brake job. So, if the ceramics last 3-4 times as long on average and I don't plan on tracking it more than twice a year, then the amortized cost for the ceramics would be a wash. As far as the pddc, I think that ordering it along with the rear wheel steering is the way to go.
@@fuddrucker74 Thanks! One more question. What do you think of deleting the helper spring setup in favor of regular PASM and a softer more livable ride?
So I ordered one three months ago. I’d like to know what you meant about what spec. I’ve gone PDK keeping it lowered. I’ve added a bunch of other options but there are not more mechanical options…
I have a 991.2 GTS and its amazing!! I have had it tuned and dyno'd to 505 and it was worth every penny. I would love to try to get a 992 GTS but currently due to covid there isn't any allocation at my local porsche dealer so we gotta be on a long wait list.
As a road car, this thing might actually be superior to the 992 GT3 (excluding the double wishbone front end of course). I think a 991.2 is the ultimate though.
How would Sir Rory spec his "baby GT3"? I once heard a certain Englishman suggest he would have asymmetrical seats on his GT3: a Clubsport seat for the driver and a sports seat for the passenger side. Interesting.
Porsche should only have 3 “normal” 911s. A GTS as base, GT3 and Turbo S. Have these 3 in any body form. Like a GT3 convertible in manual if you wanted
“So what’s to like one of these? The cabin is has this and has that…and you get sport seats as standard…” 😳 This GTS is not different from any previous ones in the sense Porsche’s recipe has been exactly the same… and please save us from comparing the torque of a turbo engine and the one in a N/A engine 🧐
Mini GT3? Its almost got 90% of what the GT3 has to offer on the track and is arguably quicker on the streets. Definitely not mini and shouldn't be compared.
Can we all just appreciate how this man consistently is able to have spirited driving sessions with really quick cars, while clearly talking about specs, and having perfect monologue throughout?????? LIKE.....HOW.... i need shut my mouth when I'm merging with fast traffic
I agree I agree I agree let’s keep going Rory
It's mind boggling right😅
So True
Don`t be daft. He`s fiddling around a tight, enclosed mini-track and it`s all been heavily edited.. Jeez
@@geirarnesen6531 😯😲 wooooowwwww reallllyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?
Rory is such a great road tester. Essential viewing when he drops a review. 🔥
He test roads..? Now I understand.
When it comes to Porsche, any Porsche, I prefer the GTS. I love the almost subtle yet almost showy bits of sports looks in them. We love you Rory. Keep up this awesome work, buddy.
I actually appreciate it, when you said, "It can used as a daily driver."
Music to my ears.
I love it, and simple and not complicated.
A 911 I still can't afford but nice to dream. Thanks for letting me dream Rory!
Great review, I love all your reviews Rory! Every 911 is perfection in my eyes. I would take any of them; however, the GTS is the sweet spot.
With the low number of allocations and huge markups on showroom GT3s, this is the next best thing, especially with a manual transmission and the lightweight package
I think and always did think that even from his top gear days, that his reviews are pretty dam excellent and he's consistently got a great balance of knowledge, driving and entertainment, well done sir!
I’m loving Rory’s output even more post Top gear. What a dude.
Great review and full of energy as always from this presenter. This is the best 911 in my opinion with respect to pricing, options and availability. It ticks almost all boxes for the enthusiast. Forget about the gt variants and turbo variants, this is the best bang for buck 911 out there. No true car owner will ever be disappointed with this. He is absolutely right when he says not to go too far with the options. Porsche has specced this car pretty much bang on (Coupe rear wheel drive) before you even start going into options, and it should be kept as minimalistic as possible to truly appreciate it.
Amazing review as usual.
I'm real turboS fan but you know what, I'd take this GTS simply. It's cheaper too.
Turbo s doesn't get enough love. I didn't get the appeal. Now I want one before the EV phase takes off
That GTS is such a classic beautiful spec 😍
Manual GTS is the sweet spot I think. I would spend alot on Porsche Exclusive extras and make it really special and then forever keep it!
This is my favourite 911 after the GT3. It's a decent sounding turbo charged H6 Porsche finally after so long.
H6 ?
You mean Flat-6/F6
@@AB-fr2ei same thing
on the track, gt3.... but if i could only have 1... nahh way to hard
but a good aftermarket exhaust on the base and the S gives you this soundtrack. Without sound deadening inside of course.
@@LoganKing4 what does the H even mean ?
I'd think of the GTS as a Carrera S with Turbo S DNA. So if I want more power and better handling but without going AWD, the GTS sounds like a better buy.
But if you want a car which is 99% the fastest car in the road, you must buy a Turbo S because a lot of cars can beat the GTS.
Being restrained with the configuration, I got $143k. Rory did a really good job reviewing this car, but I think “affordable” is an interesting choice of words on his part.
Another great video. Only problem with Rory is he makes you want nearly every car he reviews. 😄😄
God job Rory. One of the best auto presenters in the business. Kudos to Auto Trader on getting Rory.
He’s 100% right. RWD coupe for GT3 type feel, AWD w/ any body style for a turbo type feel
I made a video with the previous gen 991.2 GTS which was the first time I had ever driven a 911 and to this day I still believe the GTS with a manual is the perfect balance of performance, engagement, and budget between a gt3, turbo/turbo s, and carrera.
Yes. Im also thinking manual too to be honest. Saves weight too!
I’ve never felt more relaxed watching a car review video. Love the vibes
Rory's Yacht-Master made this video extra special.
Great review Rory! Top marks for sharing your thoughts whilst driving with skills few master! Top job around. It is also most probably the best iteration of the 911 992.1 yet.
Rory, I rarely agree with automobile presenters. So much obfuscation. You hit this nail on the head. Great review as always and props to you, brother!
Nice Yacht-Master Rory 👍
Love the review. Thanks for the consistency of the videos. Cant get enough of the “sport seATS” at 4:30 tho
Nice review of the 911 GTS. I like the presenter’s enthusiasm and level of detail about the 911.
Rory, Henry and Luke are my 3 favourite reviewers….consistently excellent content 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Wow! Finally, a simple explanation of what exactly a GTS is compared to the GT3 and the Turbo S.
Rory you are killing it Auto trader. Your reviews are funny spec specific real world driving and an honest opinion on whether to buy one. Keep it going brother. You’re going to take over TH-cam.
”Budget” 🤣 great video as always
Rory’s the Lewis Hamilton of Car journalists...absolute marvel to watch and listen to.
GTS is gorgeous with the carbon buckets, rear wheel steering, and manual transmission!
The best Presenter on TH-cam - by far. Explains everything simply.
Love the GTS! I think it is a mix between a Carrera, GT3 Touring and Turbo
I wouldn't call a base price of £111,000 'budget' Rory and once speced it's not far off the GT3's asking. Maybe more attainable though.
Yeah, good point. 100000k isn’t cheap for anyone. But even when you have a GTS specced to GT3 price the GT3 will be basically unobtainable to any ‘normal’ customer that wants to buy it.
GT3 prices can go from £200000 to even 300000 second hand in some cases, so I guess in that way, the GTS looks a bit better value
This looks like an awesome alternative to the GT3. The GT3 is phenomenal but in reality it's probably a bit compromised at road going speeds. This GTS, with the torque, is probably more fun to drive and more comfortable for daily driving. Now I just need to win lotto so I can order one!!
You are a very good reviewer thank you!
An honest detailed explanation of a very complicated series of car with all the spec list. Thanks for the insight Rory 👍🏻 Just have to grow that money tree! 🌳 💰 🤑
£140k (GT3 Touring) is unaffordable for almost everyone - £111k (this 911 GTS) is unaffordable for almost everyone - most of us cannot 'actually buy'. Great review though.
Actually buy if you had the money. Even if you have the money you can't easily buy a GT3 or Turbo S.
@@AutoTraderTV OH! I totally didn't get that's what was meant by that title. As in... a Budget GT3 that's actually available. Understood.
You're welcome to send me the money for either though!
@@AutoTraderTV Turbo S you can pick up in Sweden fairly easy now. 992 latest. GT3.....no chance.
Glad someone eventually mentioned the price…kinda crucial!
Really enjoyed this one Autotrader
Great review. I’m sold on the GTS. Right balance and mix of everything I’m looking for, for what will probably be my last ICE car purchase. Would have been great to hear more about how the manual gearbox felt though. The ongoing dilemma of Manual vs PDK. Heart says Manual, head says PDK.
I own both manual and auto transmission cars. Nothing beats the manual, if you want to really drive your car. The auto is better when you're doing mundane driving in traffic.
@@zix_zix_zix thanks - that’s helpful to know. It’s definitely a weekend car only so I’m also thinking Manual. I hear it’s also lighter than PDK - bonus!
Can't be happier you review this car tooooo OMG
I don’t see a reason why I should subscribe to other car channels-great content 👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿
Love your video. I just picked mine up and I completely agree with everything you said.
You're the man Rory
Rory's watch game is wicked!
Brilliant review by the way.
I swear this vid made the gts my dream daily
0 to 60 is 2.8 with PDK. Porsche always sandbags on its cars performance numbers.
Seriously? I know Porsche does this so you always assume the numbers are better than how they appear. I’ve got a 2gts coupe on order so I don’t know if you mean the 4 wheel drive or something but that’s way more than I thought
@@verycoolman1506
No it’s the 2.8 by numerous independent outlets on the RWD GTS. I’m on my 4th 911 and it’s been true from my 997, 991 and 992 models. My 992S can do 0 to 60 in 3.1 on a nice day flat out. I have been doing Porsche driving schools for over 7 years. Most people who buy a Porsche never exploit the true potential of the car but for those of us who do those tenths of a second matter. This kind of performance was limited to super cars 10 years ago. Porsche has produced a daily driver that is as fast to 60 as a 400k car was a decade ago.
I does 2.8-2.9 sec 0-100 always something in-between that
Never captured the imagination,journalists have been claming GTS sweet spot of the 911 for centuries
yeah
I don’t agree. I had a 991.1 c2s and now have a 991.1 c4 GTS. No man’s land I think your off the pace there mate.
the only porsche i will vouch for is the gt3 obviously but i dont mind a gts targa. pinnacle of performance ,power and precision. well done porsche
I feel the GTS will be a better on road package in the UK than the 992 touring
Rory drives all his cars like they're stolen 😈🔥🔥🔥
911....992 gts....even the base versions are Awesome 👌...
Still no ducktail spoiler though...
Chipped 30Hp more and an OEM body kit.
Still the best presenter in the game
I've got a 992.1 GTS. I have tracked it. Before it I had a 991.1 C2S with sports PASM, sports chrono, sports exhaust. I miss the 991.1. They are both good cars. I have driven 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 and GT3 RS's on track. The 992 GTS handles like a C2S with sports PASM, not a GT3 / GT3 RS. It is like a 2WD turbo. The downside of the car is it is too fast for the road and it ain't a GT3 on the track. In isolation, if I hadn't driven a GT3 or a GT3 RS, I would place the 992.1 GTS and my old 991.1 C2S equally as the best sports cars you can buy.
You my friend are the best car reviewer these are facts!
I still love the 991.2 generation more... Lovely 💐
What camera do you guys use?
Love the Yachtmaster
Dude is the best in the game!
Nicely done review!
Great job on presenting this car
I don't think of this as a "mini" anything. For me, this is the ultimate porsche, "daily". Awd, coupe, MANUAL, rear-steer, carbon brakes. You can't buy that anywhere else. I WANT a manual. I also live in New York, and as I type this, it is 25° and snowing out. Not so bad that I need to take out a truck or suv, but 2" of snow and more on the way is definitely enough to not want to take out something rwd. Awd, is a boon. I don't look at this as a mini gt3, for the reason that the gt3 (and of course by extension the gt3rs and the gt2) as track cars for the road. Up to 7/10's the gts is better all the way around. Where it falls off is where the gt3 comes into its own, and being rwd is what I crave for the track. As for the 911 turbo s, I look at that as the everyday supercar. Or a supercar with teutonic sensibilities. Meaning, it has to do it all. Up to and including as a daily. So, to call it ansupercar is a misnomer. Again, to me, a supercar is one of those rare things that by it's very definition is for one type of thing and one type of thing only: 8/10's and above, or on a track, or short blasts on a suitable road, and as a mental health therapy session, etc, etc. The 911 turbo s does averything. So, calling it a supercar damns it with faint praise. But alas, it has no manual option, and is so powerful you can't use enough of its potential to get enough out of it on a public road to be able to fully enjoy it. And at 9/10's and above it has too much mass to keep up with the gt3, gt3rs, and gt2, on the track. Which leads me full circle: The car in Stuttgart's lineup that does it all as a daily driver, again for me, is the gts.
Hi There, I was looking to buy a 911 Turbo S, 2017. But, Porsche dealers are not in the market to make any buyer any deal, they want the buyer to beg for buying, i said; F**k Off!. I took my money and bought a 2018 Audi R8 plus, for a lot less cash, more warranty, and lower milage, ontop, i was able to bargain, it made me feel better, not the other way around. I dont see myself buying a Porsche ever now. A lot of prestige for the extremely wealthy. Too bad.
@@popeyepanther4519 yeah... porsche, has been playing the game like Ferrari does even before covid, and the chip shortage. That is an absolute glaring weakness, and it shouldn't be that way at all. The fact that you can get an r8 and not be treated that way but not a porsche where you are makes no sense.
Ceramics in the cold might not ideal. Would you opt for PDCC as well?
@@TuvingtonD I've heard that the ceramics have gotten much better in the last few years. I think that the bedding in process plays a crucial role in how they perform over the lifetime of the brakes, though That's not to say that the steelies wouldn't be better in the extreme cold. Judt overall I believe the ceramics would be the better overall pick. They are certainly better for resale (though that's not a concern I have when buying anything. Also,, I've read that the ceramics in most drivers hands actually last the life of the vehicle for the average time of ownership.i also didn't know that the steel brakes cost 2500 for a full replacement brake job. So, if the ceramics last 3-4 times as long on average and I don't plan on tracking it more than twice a year, then the amortized cost for the ceramics would be a wash. As far as the pddc, I think that ordering it along with the rear wheel steering is the way to go.
@@fuddrucker74 Thanks! One more question. What do you think of deleting the helper spring setup in favor of regular PASM and a softer more livable ride?
Man uncle Rory got me into Porsche…
I almost bought a 79 banana yellow 911 28 years ago, found out I was having a baby I had to give up that dream.
There is no 911 that can be criticised as they are all awesome
So I ordered one three months ago. I’d like to know what you meant about what spec. I’ve gone PDK keeping it lowered. I’ve added a bunch of other options but there are not more mechanical options…
Love the two-tone yachtmaster
I have a 991.2 GTS and its amazing!! I have had it tuned and dyno'd to 505 and it was worth every penny. I would love to try to get a 992 GTS but currently due to covid there isn't any allocation at my local porsche dealer so we gotta be on a long wait list.
I’m on the same list bro. Hang tight!
Rory great video again! You are a star! The question… 992 gts or 992 touring?
As a road car, this thing might actually be superior to the 992 GT3 (excluding the double wishbone front end of course). I think a 991.2 is the ultimate though.
I hate that they didn't do the centre exhaust like on the 991.2 just to differentiate the 992 GTS backside.
@@ToxxicMafia that looked like an old beetle style exhaust. this GT2 rs style is cool .
They accidentally left the turbos inside too.
I like that you can spec almost like the Carrera T.
You didn't say anything about the speed sensitive rear spoiler....
I can’t even afford a kia picanto but i love watching your videos .. and as always perfect review ❤️
Nice Porsche 911 GTS.
Oh so it's not a Rolex Porsche then? I'll have 2👍. Good stuff Rory as always
Regards 👍🏴
Need that in my life.
Brilliant review of a fantastic car, do I want one? Of course I do…
I think we should treasure Porsche as there hanging on for manual boxes and cars with sole and passion well in Porsche good luck 🤞🏻
This guy is awesome with his presentation I like him 👍
Thanks Rory, when I win the Euromillions tonight I'll get my order in😉
Really miss the 991 Carrera GTS with quad pipe , that generation exhaust note is loud as fk and it goes pop pop pop
GTS is indeed the sweet spot of 911, but its rather the affordable lite 911 turbo not the budget GT3 IMO. Much better choice than a carrera S tho.
How would Sir Rory spec his "baby GT3"? I once heard a certain Englishman suggest he would have asymmetrical seats on his GT3: a Clubsport seat for the driver and a sports seat for the passenger side. Interesting.
Wonderful video, not an ev in sight, more like this please
Should I get a 2022 gts or a 991.2 GT3? Asking because price is about the same
Porsche should only have 3 “normal” 911s.
A GTS as base, GT3 and Turbo S.
Have these 3 in any body form.
Like a GT3 convertible in manual if you wanted
Somebody decided to oversaturate the reds in this video. 😒
Nice, apart from the black wheels.
What year is this car? 2022?
Can @topgear please dump Harris and get this man back on. Has great car knowledge but can actually present! He is the future…
Better than a previous gen GT3 Touring ? Suppose ultimately can you got hold of one 🤔 enjoyable review 👍
“So what’s to like one of these? The cabin is has this and has that…and you get sport seats as standard…” 😳 This GTS is not different from any previous ones in the sense Porsche’s recipe has been exactly the same… and please save us from comparing the torque of a turbo engine and the one in a N/A engine 🧐
Can anyone tell me why the carrera s has such low ft lbs of torque versus the massive torque of the GTS ?
Can I order the GTS with carrera S suspension ( not harsh on the road)
Mini GT3? Its almost got 90% of what the GT3 has to offer on the track and is arguably quicker on the streets. Definitely not mini and shouldn't be compared.