Ludwig Centennial Zep-Sized Shell Pack Gear Demos Drum Shop Tulsa EP64
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- Check out this Ludwig Centennial Zap-Sized Shell Pack in Red Sparkle Lacquer. I don't know the real color name (as I prove that in the video), but Mark Meeker does a slammin job demoing this monster of a kit.
Maple Shells in Red Sparkle Lacquer
26in X 14in Kick Drum
14in X 10in Rack Tom
16in X 16in Floor Tom
18in X 16in Floor Tom
This is a fun kit to play and drives like a 64 Impala on 30in Wheels. Big, comfy and bottom end for days.
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These drums are made from 100% North American Maple. Don't bash the quality just because they're made in China. A lot of excellent products are made there.
The wood is top notch, no pun intended, and each manufacturer provides specific detailed instructions on how their products should be constructed.
THESE ARE TOP GRADE, TOP QUALITY DRUMS, AT A MID LEVEL PRICE POINT.
Roger, you're not a very good salesman, your product presentation, lacks luster.
As a customer I wouldn't shop at your store just based on your IDGAF attitude, and down talking
the very product you're promoting in your video.
@that1guy - you are 100% correct…MANY…actually seemingly millions of great products come out of China, Taiwan, The Philippines and many other Asiatic Countries. So many products it boggles my mind. I even challenge you to walk through your home and find USA Made Products. Even legendary Pearl Masters Series and other very expensive drums are Taiwanese Made (including the new Sakae Products).
I’ve never been silent about my lack of appreciation for or understanding of the passion for Ludwig Drums. But that’s the cool thing about so many drum products available worldwide. I don’t have to understand, appreciate or even like certain products. That’s the beauty of Freedom of Choice.
Lots of shells are made with North American Maple. That doesn’t mean they are well built drums. There are drum companies that use “maple filler material” that is NOT hardwood to create plies of drums because it saves them money at the lower price point kits. That doesn’t mean their bad, it simply means it’s a cost saving measure that puts a “bullet point material” in front of the players eyes that may be a “buy button” for that individual.
Yes you are correct about vendors working with companies to build their drums. You’d be surprised how many “big name” kits are made by 1 of 3 different overseas drum companies. But that’s true in ALL industries. Here’s an example…for many years (and may still continue to be true), Aiwa made (or still makes) lots of Sony’s Stereo Equipment. Another example is a large manufacturing company in Taiwan who makes almost every major drum vendors hardware. They build the molds, tools and die’s, manufacture it, brand it and package it under specific guidelines/brand names. Why, because 2,000+ TON Cold Forging Machines are VERY expensive and it would take decades for a drum company to make their money back selling hardware. Coincidentally, the same manufacturer who makes the previously hardware ALSO makes a large percentage of “affordable” and “mid priced” kits for the major drum brands.
All of the aforementioned being said, The Drum Shop firmly believes EVERYONE deserves a drum kit (or drum product) that makes the person happy regardless of the price. I believe EVERY player deserves the best products their money can buy. Which is why I always cherry pick drum products for their best value for a drummers hard earned dollar. I don’t carry, will never carry and would never carry EVERY product a vendor offers because I feel some vendors do things better at certain price points than others.
I sincerely appreciate your opinion and am grateful you commented. It’s wonderful to see honesty in the land of “glad handing.” As a consumer you can shop wherever you like and show your support where you like. Again, the beauty of Freedom of Choice. The Drum Shop has ALWAYS been as honest and truthful about all of the products it has carried and will not change that perspective. I would rather lose a sale on an inferior product than allow our customers to make a purchase that may not benefit them because it has better margin for me. That’s not how I’ve ever operated.
I would be happy to share LOTS of music instrument industry “dirty little secrets” with you…if you’d like to know. Sadly they may change your perspective on how you look at certain brands/products. But it’s NOT my intent to change your mind. My intent is to illustrate, educate and be truthful about the products offered at The Drum Shop. You don’t have to agree with me and you don’t have to change your mind. You should exercise your Freedom of Choice however it makes you happy.
I appreciate you and wish you the best on your drumming journey wherever it takes you.
Swing for the stars!!
RN
I've owned a centennial kit for a year and really enjoy it. Classic maple sound for 500$ less. Heads make a big difference. They love low punchy tuning. For the money there exellent.
They are really nice drums for the money. But at the same time...most of the gear coming out at that price point is really nice.
Thanks for your comment...we really appreciate it.
Im looking for more bass drum in my next album thinking of getting this kit maybe the 26 bass drum will come through better. Im kicking the shit out of my 22 maybe it needs to be mixed differently but im definitely trying to get more bass drum in my recordings. Listen to stankenstein heros odyssey pt 1-3. Those are the song that should have louder kick imo.
“…more kick drum” is always a challenge. Many times however it isn’t the drum that is the problem.
Head choice, tuning, damping, mic placement, drum kit placement within the recording space, beater type and even how your pedal is adjusted affect the sound of the kick drum.
You can truly fall down the rabbit hole in accomplishing a great kit sound for a recording. But going “back to the basics” can make a HIGE difference in how your kit sounds on a record.
Add an ambient mic in the corner of the room to capture the entire kit…or use a large diaphragm end fire condenser mic pointed at the kick drum about 3ft away may allow for a more full kick drum sound. Or experiment with a “sub kick” microphone that picks up the lower frequencies of your kick drum.
Just some food for thought before investing in a new kick drum.
Hope this helps a little.
RN
I got green sparkle, toms are coated Emperor or coated C.S. dots. Felt strips, and shredded newspapers in the bass drum.
Add a 14"x 8" Supralite snare drum. I love this Ludwig Zep-set.
@@stevenwilson9865 very cool set up. Shredded newspaper is a solid play in that kick drum. Go Bonzo!!
Dummy cut a hole in a 26"Ludwig resonant head. That is sacrilegious ! Never do that. That's why they ship a solid reso head.
Well..:in his defense…he did what he felt was correct with the sound he was trying to achieve. It’s just a resonant head and not the wings of baby angels. They are available every day from @Ludwig and are about $50:00.
You realize you're missing a floor tom....right?
Yes. When we shoot videos we don’t always use ALL of the pieces to the kit. The idea of the video is get a representation of the kit. And because we DO NOT add extra mic’s or audio gear using ONLY an iPhone, we feel this is the easiest way to get a decent sound on the kit.
Thanks for checking out the video and appreciate the comment.
Have a great day.
RN
for me, it's only problem is the badge...the centennial badge that is, i would've loved if they used the old ludwig badge instead.
Fair enough...but the kit is aimed at a price point. The name/badge are designed to NOT pollute the badge/branding people know and love associated with Ludwig Quality.
@@Drumshoptulsa I meant more as in I'm more of an old fashioned sort of drummer, it attracts me towards drums if they're more towards their older counterparts. It in no way makes me dislike the kit, I might add. It's more of a nit pick.
Alex Slaven ahhhh...yes, I TOTALLY understand that. Yeah I agree...at times I wish vendors would be consistent but alas, the folks in the marketing department think differently.
I agree not too big of a fan of the badges
no 2nd floor tom in the demo? and in B/W it's hard to know if it's even the same kit. i call shenanigans
Not really sure what you mean by calling “shenanigans.” Would you be so kind as to be more specific? We strive to provide accurate videos...all shot with the same iPhone and no editing of audio or video to be as transparent as possible. If you have something concrete to base your “call” on, I would be more than happy to answer your questions...or to help clear all doubt from your mind.
Please check out our other videos if you doubt the authenticity of this or other posted videos. We’d love to have your input to help make our videos better for our viewers.
Humbly Signed,
Roger N.
Owner of The Drum Shop
As I appreciate your concern for the equity in my videos….the customer who purchased the kit, based on the video I posted, is quite happy with the drums.
To help understand why I didn’t show the 18in tom in the video is purely selfish. I do all the videography, editing and getting the videos posted to websites. And for the sake of time in my day, I shoot what’s important about a product. And when people have questions about the kit and are interested in purchasing it, I provide them any additional info they request.
However, since this kit is long sold and happily being played, the discussion about why I didn’t show the 18in floor tom and you calling “shenanigans” on the video is moot.
Finally…I’ve argued that the varieties of maple don’t matter once hardware and drumheads are mounted to the shell. Sure…marketing hype/propaganda and other plots to deceive the buying public are abound…my contention that all things being equal…a good sounding drum is a good sounding drum.
However…here’s a link to a drummerworld.com discussion about different types of maple if you’d like to peruse it at your leisure.
www.drummerworld.com/forums/index.php?threads/chinese-maple-vs-canadian-maple-vs-north-american-maple.72422/
Thanks for your comment and I look forward to seeing your next album on the Top 100 Billboard Charts very soon.
RN
@@Drumshoptulsa you already responded to this, like 2 years ago. why bother doing it again? and I never said anything about maple, anywhere, so I don't know what you're on about there.
sounds pretty defensive. but what do I know? my albums aren't top 20 or whatever so don't know what I'm talking about. cuz that's how it works, right? I'm not famous --as far as you know-- so I don't deserve an opinion? fucking Commie.
Wow, didn't know you guys had a TH-cam channel. Been a while since I visited the store, since it's quite a few hours from DFW. I appreciate the honesty when talking about and comparing different drum brands and their lines of drums. There is no escaping the fact that made in anything other than Asia is going to cost a lot more. The other factors like quality of wood/hardware also play a role, though I thinks it's much smaller. Then there's the "is it custom built?" or "assembly line built?"....that too plays a significant role in the final price. Now, the debate of whether drums made outside of Asia are of better quality....that's a very interesting debate. I know a few companies are producing high quality drums in China. In the end it comes down to each company's commitment to quality. So as you say, make sure you compare apples to apples. Good stuff!
Yepper and thanks for checking out the channel. I really appreciate it. Hopefully you have subscribed as I’m going to be adding more content soon.
Yes the debate as to locale of build is hotly contested....but in my opinion, EVERYONE is building very good gear at each price point. There are the “hidden quality” issues that are always suspect...especially if it’s “too good to be true.”
I would love and appreciate your input on other videos on this channel and thanks to the recent pandemic the world is facing, it provides me a great deal of new material to chat about.
Have a great day and thanks so much for your contribution of your comment. It means a great deal to me you took the time to comment.
Have a killer day!!
RN
It doesn't matter what product it is drums knives a camera a table etcetera... when a manufacturer sends a product and the materials to China to be built whether it's Taiwan or China proper, there are very specific instructions on the details of how something is built it doesn't make the drum necessarily a lower quality drum because it was built in Taiwan again they must follow the explicit instructions of the manufacturer regardless of what it is that's being built. These are excellent drums and although they are thicker than a 73 ply Ludwig built these drums to replicate the sound of the seventies. You will have people say that there's a distinct difference, I say there's not.
@in the north woods…you are 100% correct. What I’ve found more interesting over the years/decades…is the sheer volume and variety of product that is made/shipped out of tiny (in comparison to the USA) island countries. Simply blows my mind at times.
I do agree with you and once spec is set by the applicable vendor, there are QC Measures to ensure consistency within the make/model.
Oddly enough…and in my opinion…some of the best made products are coming out of Taiwan and other countries. As a competitive cyclist…many of the worlds most expensive bicycle frames are coming out of Taiwan…so there’s that.
Thanks for your comment and hope you have a great day.
RN
@@Drumshoptulsa
Thank you. You as well.
@@inthenorthwoods1474 You're very welcome. I will do my best.
RN
Quality? Fit and finish? Bearing edges? Where is the 18"? I have Classic Maples 13, 16 and 24 and love them, but I am curious as to the sound and overall quality. Something tells at me at the low price there had to be compromises somewhere. Actually all I really want is an 18" floor tom to go with my 16". Thanks for at least talking about them though. I am having a hard time finding any in depth reviews of these babies.
Hello Mr. Ranger. For an affordable kit, these shells were overall really nice as stated in the video. Being a Taiwan Built Kit, I am always impressed with the consistency of build quality. We have Dixon Drums on our floor which is a subsidiary of a one of the largest drum builders on the planet which makes drums for a variety of major companies that you know and love. The bearing edges on the Ludwig Shells were good quality and at 45 degrees offered a wide tuning range (which for some people makes for a more "finicky" tuning) which I prefer.
In answer to your questions - most likely out of order. The 18in Floor Tom wasn't used in the video as I was being lazy and didn't see the need to add it in the video. Plus the client who provided the kit had heads on the kit that would have needed to be replaced before shooting the video which I wasn't super stoked about doing on a consignment kit.
The Classic Maple Shells you have (which are USA Made) I believe are really nice as well. There are always compromises when the price drops on gear and technology. However...I firmly believe EVERY VENDOR is making great gear at all price points as long as you take it for what it is. Meaning...don't compare a Pearl Export (with Poplar Shells) to a Ludwig USA Custom - as that would NOT be a fair comparison. However, if you take the kits available at each of the respective and competitive prices points ($350, $700, $1,000, $1,500 and so on) I think you will find pretty comparable gear throughout each price point from "most" vendors. Sure, some will have a feature that may resonate with you but overall - the available gear is really good right now.
As far as "compromises," many companies choose to use 1.6mm Triple Flange Hoops versus 2.3mm Triple Flange Hoops which is a cost savings. The lug casings may be made of "pot metal" versus quality material. They may use a different level of PVC Wrap or shorter tension rods across the kit. Some companies even use saw dust and glue to make a "ply" of their drum shell and isn't something many people would pay attention to. Doing so is a major cost saving over thousands of kits and doesn't intrinsically affect the overall shell tone, but is a compromise many companies use.
I also look at gear from the stand point of, "...would I gig with this piece of gear?" As far as gear we feature in our store (that isn't consignment or used), I don't sell anything I wouldn't play live with. Every stand, drumhead, cymbal, drum shell, pedal, throne and drum shell, I would honorably play live. An example I give in our latest podcast episode (Too Stupid to Know I Can't), I use the example of Kick Ports. I have taken the time to install the kick port as directed on the same drum, in a fixed position on our drum floor, with a microphone and an osciliscope and couldn't see a "stand out" value of improvement in using it.
In example of my philosophy...I am gigging with a set of shells from Sakae Drums called, "Road Anew." They were part of a complete 5pc shell pack with hardware that MAP'd for $1,099.99. I've been playing these shells all year...they sound killer, look great and take a beating. The audience nor the band know any difference that it's an affordable Taiwan Built Kit. As a long-winded way of answering your questions, if you are a Ludwig Fan, then this would be a great kit or component drum (18in floor tom) to gig with and not worry too much about.
I hope this helps and I thank you so much for your comments and questions.
Roger N.
Oh...here are some specs on the kit for your review as well:
General Info
100% North American maple shells
Vibraband Suspension Rims
Virgin bass drum
Special edition "Centennial" badge commemorating Ludwig's 100th anniversary
Shells
Shell Material: Maple
Construction: 6-Ply
Bearing Edge: 45°
Reinforcement Ring: NONE
Drum Hardware
Material: Steel
Mounts: Suspended
Hoops: Triple-flange
Lugs: Patented
Other
Heads: Branded
Finish Type: Lacquer
Country of Origin: Taiwan
@@Drumshoptulsa What response! Thank you. I'm still on the fence about buying them.
@@dirtydave2691 You're welcome and I totally understand. Hope you're not angry any longer. ;-)
You guys got a very appropriate room sound.
Thank you BadChizzle. Honestly we got lucky with the room. The shop had great ceilings which allowed me to NOT need mics and use merely an iPhone to record the kit. If memory serves we even did a video on transparency in how we shoot videos and don’t use ANY audio trickery to make the kit sound “better” close Nic’s like everyone else.
I’m a firm believer that with the right heads, decent mics and board, anyone can make an “affordable” sound amazing.” So I kept it simple…shot with an iPhone, edited in iMovie and published on TH-cam.
Admittedly I stated using a lanyard mic to record audio directly into my iPad (Voice Notes App) so I didn’t sound so “boomy” when speaking. That was a bit hard to learn to do in iMovie…but tortured it out.
Thanks again for your comments and compliment. It is VERY much appreciated.
RN
Funny! That’s what she said! All over the place! Thanks nice person!
“Front Door”
meekoloco just being honest. Thanks for being awesome.
@@Drumshoptulsa do you post to Australia?
pyro duff we have not shipped to Australia yet...but I am sure we can figure it out. Send an email to roger@drumshoptulsa.com and let’s talk about it.
@@Drumshoptulsa awesome thanks heaps i will certainly do that,.cheers
pyro duff outstanding! We look forward to hearing from you.
What heads are you using on that kit ?
Hello Seth. If memory serves, the drummer who owned the kit previously was an @Evans Drumhead user. There were @Evans G2 Clear Batter Heads with G1 Clear Batter Heads as the Reso Side Head. The kick used an @Evans EQ3 Clear head and the stock Ludwig Drumhead that came on the reso side of the kick drum.
The heads were pretty beat up but still sounded pretty good. With Ludwig’s rounded bearing edge I would have suggested @Remo Emperor Clear Drumheads as the bend of the head better matches the bearing edge. But once the Evans Drumheads are a bit worn in they sounded pretty good on this kit.
As a point of reference…I always try to match drumheads and “desired” sound to the drum and bearing edge. I love Evans Drumheads but they aren’t always the right choice for some drums.
I was going to do an in depth drumhead video but hadn’t gotten around to it. Maybe I will get back to that soon and make that a reality.
Hope this helps and have a great day.
RN
Why do you hate using bonham as a reference? Do you hate good drummers?
In all fairness, I think Bonham was a talented drummer and played with passion. However...much like when people make reference to some of the other greats, it becomes too cliche and obvious. I’m a firm believer that EVERY drummer, regardless of skill, has something to offer the drumming community. I’m NOT saying all drummers are created equal as there some mind-blowing drummers doing some imaginative stuff. I simply don’t want people to close their ears and minds to OTHER drummers.
I hope this clears up my comment and thank you much for posting.
RN
Why are the Zep drums so inexpensive compared to the classic maple.Can anyone help me out
Conner Harper ...The “Zep” Kit (if memory serves) is a kit from Ludwig’s Accent line. Many times companies will release a “special edition” kit at a lower price point to generate interest. For example, Pearl Drums built a “Joey Jordison” Kit but it was offered in the Export Series it Drums. Joey does not play Export Level Drums. Classic Maple Kits by Ludwig are some of their best drums made in the US not Taiwan or China like the Accent Series of drums.
Hope this helps answer your question.
RN
I was looking at these to maybe play for a few years. I just wanted to know if I was getting my money’s worth. Thanks
The Drum Shop Tulsa I was just wonder if China or Taiwan drums are still good to play. I mean us drums are more quality but I just really want the big shells
Conner Harper there are 2 “major” manufacturers of Taiwanese and Chinese Drums. These manufacturers have been making drums for ALL of the major brands for decades. The quality, fit and finish of Taiwanese/Chinese Drums are VERY good for their price point. The real key is comparing “apples to apples.” If you put kits of the same price point (regardless of where they’re made or who makes them), the gear will be really nice to own and play.
I always suggest to buy what you wanna play and go from there.
Hope this helps.
RN