i agree, and was thinking the same thing. Plymouth would be a really good t9; but to me nothing about it screams t10 - good at something in particular. Perhaps she's a 9.5 but a very solid tier 9, but not exactly a powerful t10, let alone a t10 at all.
I don't know what you could do to Plymouth; in the right circumstances it pumps out huge dmg. HE would make it way OP. Mino superheal or 10km radar, maybe a bit more alpha, perhaps a bit more rudder shift to make it easier to kite but otherwise there's not a lot you can do to it without completely unbalancing it.
Before it's buff, I felt Edinburgh was the vastly superior of the two ships; Belfast '43's reload was so slow that the Short Burst Smokes weren't overly useful except for hiding while radaring. Now, Belfast '43 feels like a viable alternative to Edinburgh; Edin has the sustain with it's heal, Belfast has the DOT dmg capability. This is what the ship it should've been from the start and a ship that synergises much better with its consumables. As as cruiser main and a RN CL enjoyer, Belfast's buffs made me very happy. I hold out hopes for Tiger '59 to get HE and Hydro.
The ship is much more interesting now. It has more survivability than Mainz - which I love - because of the smokes, and the radar is just crazy. Mainz's HE pens 38mm and is much faster so effective damage will still be higher but it's very close now. And I do really like the UK light cruisers.
yeah, power creep is definitely here, WG seemed to give the Pan-Am bbs every tool in the box - had a frustrating experience in a DM yesterday where myself, a Roma, and a Incomp, struggled to deal with it, due to the maneuverability, armour, and speed. trying to fight 15km secondaries fighting a DM (another toolbox, basically every 2 salvos had that combat instruction) with 15.8km range? 50 shatters on 110 hits, basically no fires. then there's the new Dutch line, which is a light cruiser which feels like it has no citadel, I've found it a really difficult ship to punish. I'd be interested to hear more on your experience on how WG does new ship testing and what (if anything) changes they make on ships that you (and other CCs) feel are broken.
Belfast was my #1 cruiser for ranked tier 8 even before these buffs. An absolute assassin to destroyers. I would frequently get early kills on them. Edit: i will admit if a lot of carriers or subs are in que I often would que in something else instead.
As a person who mains CVs most of the time, I 100% agree when i say they (and subs) are broken. It's partially the reason I wished that the new USN CV Line was an Escort/Light CV Line tooled to target subs and be more supportive than offensive. (In other words, they are slow, easy to kill, and have little to no armor and Hangar space, but are made to be more a counter to subs and supportive to teammates, but hey, i can dream lol)
Through sheer luck, I had Belfast 43 drop from a super container just before Christmas. The first matches were bad, and the ship was horrible, but now, after the buff, it is a different beast, and I love it. However, you have to keep in mind that it is still a flimsy cruiser that relies heavily on others to spot for you, and its strongest points are the utility it brings, IMO. it's not OP and it has a very high skill ceiling. it's not for everyone so keep that in mind.
Yeah, I've had this ship for a while now and always thought it was under whelming but I played it a few days ago and it's a beast now, destroyer killing machine.
I like that you mention the problems with CVs and Subs, but has to be pushed harder. If not people like you, then who can get through to them. The game lies in a state of ruin so long as those elements persist in their current state.
It’s not that dramatic, geez wows players are so silly about this, it’s not a political stand you’re making, it’s a small annoyance in a ship game. Cvs and subs are mostly annoying at worse, do they need to be changed sure, but I’m certain no one will actually be happy until they’re removed from the game or made entirely impotent.
@@lianxia1111 Also alot of people who complain about cv's play lines that have awful AA and make 0 investment into it too. Like if you don't invest in countering something AT ALL then you shouldn't expect to do amazing against it
@@lianxia1111 I've supported the game for a long time because it was good and I wanted to see it better. So I've invested both time and money to see it persist and get better. How my original statement was "dramatic" escapes me. If you want to climb down from you indignant pedestal of sanctimony for a moment to explain how it is a game with zero counter play to certain players is a good thing or fun, please do so. Otherwise consider making your own game where a small subset of players is allowed to dominate the rest of the player base (by design) and see if you get any "dramatic" feedback.
@@lianxia1111it’s the spotting impact. CVs zoom all over the map spotting everything by intent, or by chance. A stealth ship invests a few minutes moving into a good position and a cv spots them while flying to attack another ship, how does that make any sense in a surface ship game? As a d d main I’ve been focused by CVs in ranked so that you are bullied out of the game and chased back behind YOUR CV until I was killed. Zero damage, zero spotting and a totally unfun and frustrating experience. And in return for all this air power CVs get short duration fires, until recently the only ones with no detonation, auto ASW and zero risk to their ship.
The artillery bugs are my biggest problem with the game .. that and the guessing sub location based on pings lol … but ya subs and cv counter play is 0
I remember I got the Belfast 43 the day it came out because I had wanted the OG Belfast for the longest time, I was very sad when I realized that it was outright garbage. So needless to say that I haven´t played it much for years. I just might start giving it a second chance now.
i dont know about this whole "aim assist screws stuff" thing ... alot people say it but i sit here see u shoot and go "that is to high, thats to low" and yeah they go high and low ... i truly feel its people coping with the fact they are not used to the shells in certain ships like if your used to some bb and then play the belfast you missshoot becuase they behave different but if you play 100 games in it you wont miss these shots
Auckland is the worst in the Commonwealth line. The smoke fire detection is insanely high compared to its competition. It's over 8km by memory, Rochester has heavier guns and is under 7km.
@@SofaKingA it's alright, if dd's don't push you, but if a player knows they only need to within 8kms to nulify your smoke, you need to play out the back, which other ships are better suited.
On the topic of the aim assist messing up shots, you would have to consider how bad it would be to play a cruiser if battleships could just delete you on cooldown every time. If you want battleships capable of handling focus fire for a while (any BB with hands that doesnt get one shot by torps can get multiple heals off before any cruiser can dream of killing them) then you have to expect cruisers to be able to juke shells by abusing aim assist
I think PQ is talking about how the aiming system itself is turning into a clusterfuck. You can be aiming perfectly and score hits constantly, and then all of a sudden, shots start landing short or long for no apparent reason at all.
Except slow down and turn out has nothing to do with aim assist, slowing down reduces engine power against the drag of the water, turning slows you down even further, its like saying if someone was leading a shot at someone who was running and then after the shot is taken they decided to stand still, naturally you will miss because you lead the target assuming they were still moving forward at a fast rate. The island and lock on bugs do seem to be a genuine problem tho
@@balverine07 i agree, its not something that needs to be changed. Its funny because if you overmatch someone you can just aim for the deck and 5 digit them anyway. but the island and lock on bugs really need to be fixed for sure lol
Its funny you mention you feel the aim assist feels worse these days....I definitely agree with you. It seems really odd more frequently these days....
Big damage into lower tiers isn't much of a claim everything does that. Against own tier it does well. Higher tier struggles big time same as Mainz and most stuff.
The play styles are really different, so it's hard to compare straight across. Cleveland is strong. I feel that Belfast '43 has a higher skill floor but also a higher skill ceiling. So if you have no preferred play style, then you can get better results at first with Cleveland. But, if you have no preferred play style, I believe that Cossack is stronger than either.
I haven't played my Belfast 43 in years but it used to melt BBs with IFHE. The reload was painful though. I think I'll take her out again after this buff.
Well said on CVs and subs👍. Unfortunately WG comrades, jerkovs and tossovs don’t want to listen! They’re too thick to see the damage CVs and subs do to the commercial viability of WOWs.
Subs have ruined the gameplay the BBs ment to be tanking now sit in the back letting the low hp low armor ships do the tanking it's miserable to play now
Also look at the ships that get the new sub surveillance... almost all are mid/back line ships. Almost like WG is deliberately giving subs preferential treatment.
It was already ruined by the commander skill rework. Before that, it was ruined when they added Asashio. And before that, when they removed open water stealth firing. There have always been players angry that the game was just ruined by some change. And yet, I and thousands of other players continue to enjoy playing.
@j_taylor didn't say I didn't enjoy playing I said it was ruined by subs l enjoy playing and there are plenty of other DDs worse the the asashio and it was mainly CV mains that hated the commander rework and as for the stealth firing well that just wouldn't happen in open water in real life so it needed to go
my honest opinion for how to fix the aim assist: remove it. Give full accuracy all the time and make the default camera a little more birds eye like spotter plane.
i hope after that buff they massively buff Plymouth too
Yes please that ship needs it massively.
i agree, and was thinking the same thing.
Plymouth would be a really good t9; but to me nothing about it screams t10 - good at something in particular.
Perhaps she's a 9.5 but a very solid tier 9, but not exactly a powerful t10, let alone a t10 at all.
if tou say that to the wows legends comunity they probably murder you lol
I don't know what you could do to Plymouth; in the right circumstances it pumps out huge dmg. HE would make it way OP.
Mino superheal or 10km radar, maybe a bit more alpha, perhaps a bit more rudder shift to make it easier to kite but otherwise there's not a lot you can do to it without completely unbalancing it.
Definitely needs the superheal.
And probably not possible but improved turret angles
Before it's buff, I felt Edinburgh was the vastly superior of the two ships; Belfast '43's reload was so slow that the Short Burst Smokes weren't overly useful except for hiding while radaring. Now, Belfast '43 feels like a viable alternative to Edinburgh; Edin has the sustain with it's heal, Belfast has the DOT dmg capability. This is what the ship it should've been from the start and a ship that synergises much better with its consumables.
As as cruiser main and a RN CL enjoyer, Belfast's buffs made me very happy. I hold out hopes for Tiger '59 to get HE and Hydro.
Looks like I was pretty lucky to get this ship from Santa's containers
The ship is much more interesting now. It has more survivability than Mainz - which I love - because of the smokes, and the radar is just crazy.
Mainz's HE pens 38mm and is much faster so effective damage will still be higher but it's very close now. And I do really like the UK light cruisers.
yeah, power creep is definitely here, WG seemed to give the Pan-Am bbs every tool in the box - had a frustrating experience in a DM yesterday where myself, a Roma, and a Incomp, struggled to deal with it, due to the maneuverability, armour, and speed. trying to fight 15km secondaries fighting a DM (another toolbox, basically every 2 salvos had that combat instruction) with 15.8km range? 50 shatters on 110 hits, basically no fires. then there's the new Dutch line, which is a light cruiser which feels like it has no citadel, I've found it a really difficult ship to punish. I'd be interested to hear more on your experience on how WG does new ship testing and what (if anything) changes they make on ships that you (and other CCs) feel are broken.
Belfast 43 is my favourite ship, it's battle impact was already super strong, it is really going to a be pain pushing into one now.
Belfast was my #1 cruiser for ranked tier 8 even before these buffs. An absolute assassin to destroyers. I would frequently get early kills on them.
Edit: i will admit if a lot of carriers or subs are in que I often would que in something else instead.
As a person who mains CVs most of the time, I 100% agree when i say they (and subs) are broken. It's partially the reason I wished that the new USN CV Line was an Escort/Light CV Line tooled to target subs and be more supportive than offensive.
(In other words, they are slow, easy to kill, and have little to no armor and Hangar space, but are made to be more a counter to subs and supportive to teammates, but hey, i can dream lol)
I won the Belfast 43 years ago in a crate but haven't played it much. Will have to give it another go.
That was quite a while ago.
"Now" she was a great ship for Tier 8 ranked before ;)
Through sheer luck, I had Belfast 43 drop from a super container just before Christmas. The first matches were bad, and the ship was horrible, but now, after the buff, it is a different beast, and I love it. However, you have to keep in mind that it is still a flimsy cruiser that relies heavily on others to spot for you, and its strongest points are the utility it brings, IMO. it's not OP and it has a very high skill ceiling. it's not for everyone so keep that in mind.
Yeah, I've had this ship for a while now and always thought it was under whelming but I played it a few days ago and it's a beast now, destroyer killing machine.
I like that you mention the problems with CVs and Subs, but has to be pushed harder. If not people like you, then who can get through to them. The game lies in a state of ruin so long as those elements persist in their current state.
It’s not that dramatic, geez wows players are so silly about this, it’s not a political stand you’re making, it’s a small annoyance in a ship game. Cvs and subs are mostly annoying at worse, do they need to be changed sure, but I’m certain no one will actually be happy until they’re removed from the game or made entirely impotent.
@@lianxia1111 Also alot of people who complain about cv's play lines that have awful AA and make 0 investment into it too. Like if you don't invest in countering something AT ALL then you shouldn't expect to do amazing against it
@@lianxia1111 I've supported the game for a long time because it was good and I wanted to see it better. So I've invested both time and money to see it persist and get better. How my original statement was "dramatic" escapes me. If you want to climb down from you indignant pedestal of sanctimony for a moment to explain how it is a game with zero counter play to certain players is a good thing or fun, please do so. Otherwise consider making your own game where a small subset of players is allowed to dominate the rest of the player base (by design) and see if you get any "dramatic" feedback.
Saying the game is "in ruin" IS dramatic. Been playing since 2015 and it not ruined. @@Ristogod
@@lianxia1111it’s the spotting impact. CVs zoom all over the map spotting everything by intent, or by chance.
A stealth ship invests a few minutes moving into a good position and a cv spots them while flying to attack another ship, how does that make any sense in a surface ship game?
As a d d main I’ve been focused by CVs in ranked so that you are bullied out of the game and chased back behind YOUR CV until I was killed. Zero damage, zero spotting and a totally unfun and frustrating experience.
And in return for all this air power CVs get short duration fires, until recently the only ones with no detonation, auto ASW and zero risk to their ship.
My OG Belfast is very sad now...
I got it out of a container for anniversary. Never really played it. Might give it a roll now.
Did any british BBs get any buffs?
The artillery bugs are my biggest problem with the game .. that and the guessing sub location based on pings lol … but ya subs and cv counter play is 0
Am I wrong, or did the original T7 Belfast get the T8 concealment module slot? It's literally a T8 with T7 mm.
i think it was meant to be t8 got got lowered to t7 for some reason and keped its t8 module slot
@@gibbamon no, its a gimmick, just like Z39
One of my Harbor Queens.
Got it for free but always prefered the Mainz.
OG Belfast aficionados smilling from our golden tier VII thrones. :D
I remember I got the Belfast 43 the day it came out because I had wanted the OG Belfast for the longest time, I was very sad when I realized that it was outright garbage. So needless to say that I haven´t played it much for years. I just might start giving it a second chance now.
I got this for free years ago on Twitch and I was actually sad,maybe now I'll play it some
This got me to silver last Ranked... without the buff....
i dont know about this whole "aim assist screws stuff" thing ... alot people say it but i sit here see u shoot and go "that is to high, thats to low" and yeah they go high and low ... i truly feel its people coping with the fact they are not used to the shells in certain ships
like if your used to some bb and then play the belfast you missshoot becuase they behave different but if you play 100 games in it you wont miss these shots
Is Auckland much dif from this ship? Auckland has heal and BF has radar. At this tier I'd rather have a heal.
Auckland is the worst in the Commonwealth line. The smoke fire detection is insanely high compared to its competition. It's over 8km by memory, Rochester has heavier guns and is under 7km.
@snorkman2 I just fxp'd to Auckland and decided to start my grind there. I'm doing really well in her actually.
@@SofaKingA it's alright, if dd's don't push you, but if a player knows they only need to within 8kms to nulify your smoke, you need to play out the back, which other ships are better suited.
@@snorkman2 good to know though 👍👍
To be or not to be, to IHFE or not to IHFE?
On the topic of the aim assist messing up shots, you would have to consider how bad it would be to play a cruiser if battleships could just delete you on cooldown every time. If you want battleships capable of handling focus fire for a while (any BB with hands that doesnt get one shot by torps can get multiple heals off before any cruiser can dream of killing them) then you have to expect cruisers to be able to juke shells by abusing aim assist
I think PQ is talking about how the aiming system itself is turning into a clusterfuck. You can be aiming perfectly and score hits constantly, and then all of a sudden, shots start landing short or long for no apparent reason at all.
@AllAhabNoMoby the island and lock on bugs should definitely be fixed but deactivating the aim 'assist' will completely ruin cruiser gameplay lol
@@thepaperbagmask I would prefer it if "aim assist" was an OPTION. Let people who know how to aim turn that crap off.
Except slow down and turn out has nothing to do with aim assist, slowing down reduces engine power against the drag of the water, turning slows you down even further, its like saying if someone was leading a shot at someone who was running and then after the shot is taken they decided to stand still, naturally you will miss because you lead the target assuming they were still moving forward at a fast rate. The island and lock on bugs do seem to be a genuine problem tho
@@balverine07 i agree, its not something that needs to be changed. Its funny because if you overmatch someone you can just aim for the deck and 5 digit them anyway. but the island and lock on bugs really need to be fixed for sure lol
Can someone tell me where i can find that crosshair
Aslain's wows modpack
we got good belfast 43 before gta6
Its funny you mention you feel the aim assist feels worse these days....I definitely agree with you. It seems really odd more frequently these days....
Big damage into lower tiers isn't much of a claim everything does that. Against own tier it does well. Higher tier struggles big time same as Mainz and most stuff.
This or Cleveland? Which one is better?
Depends on play style Cleveland reloads in half the time sets more fires this one has smoke.
Baltimore lol
The play styles are really different, so it's hard to compare straight across.
Cleveland is strong. I feel that Belfast '43 has a higher skill floor but also a higher skill ceiling.
So if you have no preferred play style, then you can get better results at first with Cleveland. But, if you have no preferred play style, I believe that Cossack is stronger than either.
I haven't played my Belfast 43 in years but it used to melt BBs with IFHE. The reload was painful though. I think I'll take her out again after this buff.
It'll feel like a totally different ship; that reload change transforms it.
@@deaks25 I don't doubt it - will have a go later tonight.
How do you obtain a 43 in 2025?
25:05 Buy in the armory with doubloons.
Add HE to Plymouth WG.
Well said on CVs and subs👍.
Unfortunately WG comrades, jerkovs and tossovs don’t want to listen! They’re too thick to see the damage CVs and subs do to the commercial viability of WOWs.
People Really have a hard time saying “repair” instead of “heal”….steel…steel doesn’t heal. lol
The aim assist for turning is cope, accounting for turnout drifting is doable.
Subs have ruined the gameplay the BBs ment to be tanking now sit in the back letting the low hp low armor ships do the tanking it's miserable to play now
Also look at the ships that get the new sub surveillance... almost all are mid/back line ships. Almost like WG is deliberately giving subs preferential treatment.
@brianhum8765 I very much agree
It was already ruined by the commander skill rework. Before that, it was ruined when they added Asashio. And before that, when they removed open water stealth firing.
There have always been players angry that the game was just ruined by some change. And yet, I and thousands of other players continue to enjoy playing.
@j_taylor didn't say I didn't enjoy playing I said it was ruined by subs l enjoy playing and there are plenty of other DDs worse the the asashio and it was mainly CV mains that hated the commander rework and as for the stealth firing well that just wouldn't happen in open water in real life so it needed to go
The person whose comment receives the most likes is gay :3
Yay - First comment, keep up the good work PQ
wg need to remove subs....homing torpedoes are stupid...
my honest opinion for how to fix the aim assist: remove it. Give full accuracy all the time and make the default camera a little more birds eye like spotter plane.
This ship used to be OP and then they buffed it
I wish wargaming would buff mogami in a similar way. But they won't because they suck. They should also get rid of the yodo line,garbage
I think this thing is beter then the tier 10 Jinan
Insane consealment
Beter range
Smoke
4x stealth radars 9 km
3x hydros 5 km
Yeah but it cant unleash 40 invisible nukes into water at once 😉
@@johnnyhealer8744 I am shopping for a new toy right now. I have Jinan, the Heisenberg of cruisers.
I think you know where I am going here. Thank you!