Songwriting With Superior Drummer 3!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Lets take a deep dive into my own process and use Toontrack Superior Drummer 3 to help write a tune!
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Close your eyes and imagine Dane Cook is teaching you how to program drums.
Shavnore Holy shit.
😂🤣
Wtf
Ezproducer is next just an AI that yells at you and tells you to take it from the top 1000 times
Lol!!!
That's the Bob Rock expansion
No more Logic, bold move!! Studio One looks pretty great though, I should check it out.
I was looking to move from Garage Band to Logic. Is Logic no good?
@@V8LC100 Logic is great, I used garageband for 5 or 6 years before switching to Logic, and Logic is perfect for me.
I will try out the free cakewalk by bandlab. Shoud be enough for the most
Just tap it in. Give it a little tappy. Tap tap taparoo.
Ryan Crawford I said exactly that when he started doing the taps lol
WHAT, ARE YOU TO GOOD FOR YOUR HOME!?
Just tryin to ease the tension baby
I find that opening a midi track and write on it directly would be quicker and more effective, but probably all those midi presets would be good if you feel like writing the other way around, meaning finding an inspiring drum loop and playing/jamming on top of it.
Yeesh, all these comments, "Doesn't sound as good as a real drummer."
No shit. Not only have we not developed an AI that plays drums better than humans yet, but fluff didn't spend 12 hours fiddling with hit velocities and nudging timing around by +/-2ms because IT'S A DEMO. Not the point, you doorknobs. Thanks for the walkthrough fluff, informative as always
Agreed and "doorknobs" is my new politically correct insult word. LOL
Glad someone said this!
I'm so agree with you !!!!!!!!
i depends on the ezx and setting but i think the man is a metal player: hard to find a natural sound-raw in metal
Them doorknobs sure like a good twist
Oh man, this is gold! Please do more of songwriting videos, and include process of riff writing
@HamleTrex what you can do is hear it in your head and use your phone to record you making the sound, or "singing" the sound so you don't forget. Then as the above person stated, work it out on the neck until you've got it. Record that and then you're good to go.
@Ryan Bruce. I find it's much easier to edit the loops within the plugin rather than copying them to the DAW track. This makes it much easier to edit (IMO). Another tip is to drag the loop you are considering right onto the Tap 2 Find icon. That will give you countless similar options. That's how I did our EPs. Enter shameless plug for EP here...please check out our videos. :)
Ok nice plug. Just checked out your music and I fell in love when I heard “I stole the sun”. I’ve started following you on Spotify. Great work!
@@skatepark02 Thank you!
Ryan this was sent to Ola but you should see it too:
Hey Ola, I just wanna say all you guys from the Anderton's boys (All of them) and Glen Fricker, Stevie T, Sarah Longfield, Rob Scallon, Henning, Ryan Bruce, and Jared Dines, Thank you for all your hard work. You guys are my Inspiration.
This is from both of us
@@jmcbride9087 that boy sucks lol
So informative as always, it changed my thinking on the songwritting with SD3, and i like the way you describe the process then to "rewrite" the guitar track to stick more on drums, like you can do with "real people" in a jam session. Thank you
I will show you guys how to write a song using your drums in only three simple steps.
1. Start with prerecorded guitar rifts.
2. Line them up.
2. Follow along with your drums.
:D
Riff 1 reminds me of a Marilyn Manson song from the album holy wood
Ha I just commented the same thing - Target Audience
Now I have to go listen to this song and refresh my memory lol
woah just listened to target audience....almost exact
That is what i immediately heard playing in my head when he showed the first riff.
Made me think of Jiken - Hideki Taniuchi.
Should do a tutorial on how to send the drums from superior drummer to their individual tracks in the DAW...happened to catch that during your vid ;)
load the instrument as multi-out instead of stereo, send each drum to a different out within Superior and then.. i only know how to do it in Logic but on the SD mixer channel press the little + at the bottom until you get them all
That was good. I just saw you on a vid about studio one! Then I saw the key words “SD3 “. And it’s you again. Funny. Anyway, I subscribed because as a musician you’re doing what I want to do basically. Btw, those were great metal beats. I’m really new to all this. Im 70. I played pro from 67-84. I finally got burned out. And worse. When I was 50 I went back to school and that was the first time I ever touched a computer! You’re young and have used one all your life. Working with my ez2 these last two months has made it much easier for me to understand you when talking about SD3. It’s so much better. Can’t wait. I was in a lot of rock bands back in the day and my album from 1971 is on Spotify and TH-cam ( no vid) . Just type in “Peace & Quiet “. I’m Greg Williams the Drummer. I was 21! WOW. Long time ago. I still play in my house almost everyday and am going to buy Jobeky edrums and cymbals. That with the SD3 is killer! Listen to Luke Olsen or josh Cameron. They do TH-cam covers with Jobeky kits. You seem like a person I could talk to easily so I subscribed and I’ll be watching for more SD3 stuff. About the daw. I don’t know how important that will be for me. I’ll have to wait and see. I guess basically to record live, right? Having the Presonus interface will give me pristine samples from the Roland TD-30 to my computer.Then mix. I think it might be easier inside SD3. I watch Mike Luke too. He’s got as many ezx and SDX as you...a lot! Thanks. Later.
I love Tap2Find as a feature. Although lately I've found it faster to just tap in a simple rhythm with a MIDI controller for this type of workshopping. I do have to say that the SD3 sample library sounds pretty damned good. I've hovered my mouse over the "add to cart" on SD3 for a while now...this might put me over the edge.
This is the hardest possible way to do this. Get yourself a small MIDI drum pad and set it up to drive Superior Drummer or whatever plugin you're fond of. Tap the rhythm out on it with your fingers to a click track. You don't have to be a real drummer. You don't have to play the whole thing at once because you can overdub. You don't even have to play it totally in time because you can quantize later. A few passes through the riff and you're done. You can edit in fills manually later. Searching through hundreds of preset grooves or entering every hit by hand is a tedious waste of time.
so you dont normally audition the loop while guitar riff plays Fluff? ...did you know you dont have to drag each loop into S1 to see if it works, because SD3 and S1 loops will sync up auto? ...just loop guitar part and hit play in both S1 and SD3 same time, much quicker workflow that way
Was thinking the same. Always sync Cubase and Superior 3, no dragging and time consuming extra work.
This method has helped so much! Your concept of recording the separate parts and then getting the drum parts for each section done before piecing it all together was what I needed to give me a way to get things moving quicker. I usually take forever to get things down and then I lose the drive to complete it because of all the time spent. Thank you for very clearly laying out your process.
'Sonic Lego', there's a name for a band if ever I heard one, hahaha! Thanks for the demo, mate, it was informative and enjoyable :) .
Fluff, this is AWESOME. Thank you. There's a ton out there around mixing as a producer who plays guitar, but not a ton out there around a guitarist that produces. This is great and will help with my production flow and layouts. Thank you!
Hey Fluff, can you suggest any free programs to make drums with? 'cuz I'm on a low budget...
Stijn MT-Power Drum Kit 2. Totally free
I agree with this guy. Until recently I was using MT-Power Drum kit as well, sounds pretty decent, no libraries etc like Superior Drummer, but if you have the patience to program everything one block at a time, you can def get a decent sounding drum section in your song for literally $0.
Geremy Andrew Fino Thank You! I'll check it out!
DrumMic‘a from Sennheiser is also for free including library
Ggd lite and kontact free player!
What I'm not able to figure out is how to match bpms of the drum track with the riffs. Especially where it changes.
How about a second video that goes over specifically drum fills within a song?
Thanks for sharing some of your process - super inspiring. Really cool to see what's available for home recording!
Can't help but notice Mr. Meeseeks on your shirt. 😂😂
Informative vid👊🏾.
Main hook remind anyone else of Target Audience by Marilyn Manson? (That's me listening to Holywood today...)
For God’s sake.
Every Drum VST is missing the point. I WANT to plot my own beats manually-I just need decent samples that’ll actually play in my DAW!!!
All you had to do was choose 1/2 time on the tempo setting in SD3. That's the reason why the drum pattern was so busy and you had to reduce the number of cymbal hits. Your tune here is definitely a 1/2 tempo tune.
Omg you can even do this on ez drummer 1 ! Lol
In terms of workflow, is there any substantial difference between SD3 and EZD 3? I'm planning on buying one of them, but SD3 is quite expensive.
Nice demonstration. I am considering getting this program and you have answered a number of my questions. Thank you. JD
Great video! What's your current Drum VST? I'm looking to purchase and would love your input. Love your work fluff!
Metal Machine EZX Expansion???
Trying to figure out where you get all these best presets....
Do they have anything like this for Latin music, where they have programmed rhythms and grooves for like cumbia, salsa merengue ??
can I download SD3 into an external hard drive and drag into my DAW (Ableton 10)? this software is massive and I'm already almost full with Native Instruments libraries. thank you.
could have spent 5 minutes just programming the beat to the accents on the guitar, this is way too drawn out and unfortunately a waste of time for most producers
appreciate the vid tho, your guitar tones are great
This video is priceless. It gave me a great introduction to what SD3 can do and now that I've bought it I'm, rewatching this so that I can see exactly what you did and use parts of that for my own workflow. I thank the gods for heavy metal.
Love to all
I use to make songs with GarageBand but drummers were killing me. (Taking so long I lost the idea)
When I get Superior Drummer 3 what do I need to get to have songs created on my free time.
Do I get the Studio One here? I will make a guitar riff like yours and add bass the same way and vocals. It’s for small time music and videos I do.
Simplicity is a must
Why are the audio files muted when I drag them from SD3 into Studio One? Do I need to set up a specific path to Studio One in SD3 because from what it looked like he just dragged the audio file from SD3 into S1 and it immediately played without a problem. I've been trying to find an answer to this, please help.
The program looks awesome don't get me wrong but let me put the price of this thing in perspective, Its 400 dollars, which is more than what I bought my first car for, more than what I paid for studio one professional, more than my professional izotope mastering suite and also 4 times what I payed for the first addictive drums suite. But hey if you're rollin' in dough, knock yourself out.
I want that!!! That will help me get all these riffs in my head on record.
I know this is an older video, but your guitar part sounds like it has a push, and superior drummer kick isn't really doing it like a real drummer would if he or she heard it, and went to play along...and then you might say "hey, don't do the push with me; just play on the beat..."...but regardless, it is fully manipulatable...probably need to buy it...
Is it me or is Fluff starting to sound more and more like Kermit each time?
DEADLINE it’s you!
@@minisurfbanana I thought so...
He sounds a bit like Letterman.
Can you write your own beats from scratch, not having to use the pre-recorded loops? Can you write a death metal song with crazy drumming if you wanted?
Doesn't it make more sense to leave the midi IN the instance of SD3 so that you can have the song structure to play with in case of changes? Once you drag into the track timeline and remove it from SD3, you likely run into issues for future manipulation?
Hey Fluff what version of studio one are you using ? Are you using Windows or Mac? You have sold me on wanting too use Superior drums after using Addictive drums and Studio drummer 👍
Very helpful video now that I bought SD 3... Thanks
To be honest , i never used grove section ! i compose everything from scratch ! how i get inspired , i listen a lot to bands . and i watch drums covers ! as guitarist this how i get inspired and grow my knowledge about how to write drums .
thank u for the tips
Good video, Ryan
I agree, using the loops to set up a bed for the song is really useful. I do, also, use the midi field to write and edit kicks, cymbals, etc. to better lock into the guitars, as well as vocals.
I think the only thing you left out were fills. But, fills are subjective, so again, great video!
Something is just weird to me about balding Middle aged dad's who make videos for kids on TH-cam.
Anyone know what pack the Punkish 185 BPM at 10:48 in the video is from?
Does anybody know what snare was used in this video? (Or stack) It sounds great!
You sound like John Malkovich. I'm pretty sure you're his brother.
I have be doing this exact same for years with addictive drummer. I always wished I knew an easier way, I guess there isn't. Sometimes I would just line up a whole bunch of bars and write the riff to that.
Fluff... dude!! You are the best man!! You are an extremely amazing teacher! Seriously bro! (Plugs in history here) And I am amazed at how easy and enjoyable you made this tutorial. All your vids slam, but I am astounded at how wonderfully you convey your message while “teaching”. Please do more of these tutorials man. This is the best TH-cam video I have viewed in a long damn time. As an experienced guitarist, whose proudest (creative lol) achievement is a moderately successful rock band, I am absolutely completely interested in learning composition methods from a master like yourself! You have an amazing way of delivering the goods. I know you have a wide variety of vids, which all kick @$$, but I am making a formal request nearly begging you to start a series just like the vid here. I will gladly pay for something that is, in my opinion, to the point of priceless as it is such a seamless instructional rarity. So basically, please?? Lol!
Great info here mate! I'm doing something similar and have a few good tips now, cheers 🍻
Can Superior Drummer 3 be used with Logic Pro X or is it just a stand alone software.
Is it possible to write drums without an electronic kit with Superiour Drummer 3?
Can you write your own groove on a sheet or smth like that? I want my own stuff on my music
donde puedo descargar librerias las librerias de GROOVES para metal?
Can you add or take away notes in the grid editor? Like if you find a close groove but you need some switched around a bit and a few extras added, can you do that?
so what if i wanted to program a midi drum track that sounded like the drummer sucked ass but like in a realistic kind of way?
"Your DAW does not matter." No, no, it's okay baby, you matter.
Hey fluff what tuning is this riff in? Enjoyed the last ezdrummer video cool watching you lay down some midi.
This video was a great representation of how a workflow can improve your songwriting. All you needed to complete the rhythm section was EZ Bass. Too bad it wasn't available at the time you shot this.
When you recorded the guitars did you have a set tempo in mind? That is the problem I'm running into is finding the right tempo for my guitar riffs. Any suggestions? I have EZ Drummer 2 and would like to do a similar thing to what you did here just for writing demo purposes for my band. Any suggestions is welcomed. Thanks!
Record to a click track...
Massively helpful! Thanks!
THANK YOU! This has been one that always makes me feel daunted when recording, and I was clearly overthinking the steps. Thank you for breaking it down Fluff. Helped a ton!
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for this
Thank you for posting this. Informative 🤟😎
What amp and overdrive gives you that much saturation?!
Thank you for the tips. What DAW are you using?
Nice diffusers! Do you find they make a big difference?
Awesome explanation of the process of fitting stuff together. Thanks Bro'.
I think I underestimate to importance of the drums
Ok what is your guitar preamp? It sounds great!
Awesome vid fluff!!!!! One of the best workthroughs I’ve seen on this thanks!!!!!
Sonic Legos. New band name. I call it!
Can you do this with EZdrummer?
this is almost exactly how I use EZDrummer 2. (Without the talent)
You do realize that aren't writing anything. You are dumping in midi, and the drum grooves don't match your riffs. But congrats on the 278k subscribers.
Oh I understand exactly what you are doing, hence the congrats on the subscribers. Do you.
Thank you very much, its a fantactic tip
3:06 It's a VERY ASIAN on riff 2.
Marco Sotomayor LOL I wasn’t alone
Awesome video. Really helped
Such a well put video. Thanks.
This riff is ALMOST exactly like "target Audience" by Marilyn Manson, just heavy.
I now see that I am not the first to notice this.... nevermind.
Excellent video and simple explanation using the superior program drummer 3. What kind of additional software do I need to install it on my computer the program.
You will need a Digital Audio Workstation software and that’s it .
yeahh.. what i looking for. thanks bro
thanks for the video. I really hope this "song" was for illustration purposes only. It's not good.
You are so sweet thank you
Very Well presented and conveyed....ty
Ryan, what do you think about Addictive Drums? Thanks for the video!
So then, where are "all pickable links in the description" for the guitar track???
Agree - I can't find them.
Great video. Keep up the good work
Sonic legos! New band name I call it!
Seems fairly easy to use. Sounds really good and tight.
Lol you can do this all in ez drummer 2 .
I’d love to have sd3, i have sd2 but refuse to pay full price for 3 and think it’s pretty poor they no longer offer a 2 to 3 upgrade
I was the same way = but I made the change to the big boy = worth ever penny.
Thanks man! Great video.
Why are the guitar tracks mono on the timeline but stereo in the console on the faders. Not guitar bus. Guitar left and right.
Nevermind. My eyes deceived me.
Thank you for this video.
THANK YOU FOR THIS! BUYING NOW!!!
Definitely going to try this now