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SL-1200 Record Player FOR LESS! TECHNICS SL-1500C Turntable Review
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Andrew Robinson well I have purchased one of these and very happy with it, I have changed the stylus to a 2M Blue and it's definitely an improvement, question is Andrew have you tried it withe the Funk Achromat? Also I see Funk have a new item the Houdini and wondered what you thoughts are on this.
OK so I just purchase the Funk Mat, and what a difference I did not think for one moment that it would make such a dramatic change for the better.
Today is 6/3/2022 - I've been saving money and suddenly I saved more than I thought..... SO! *I reviewed your Audio-Technica LP140 (again), The 1200GR, and The 1500C.... Price wise $500, $1,200, and $1,700
Great and insightful review as usual. Getting a turntable these days, having a dilemma between technics sl 1500c and dual cs 618q, how would you compare it, what would be your choice (got an impression you would give an advantage to Ortofon 2M blue cartridge?)
I love that you include your emotional connection to some gear you have had in the past (like the 1200) which influences the criteria you develop when considering new gear. How well that new gear can ellicit the feelings the old one did is a valid criterion in my opinion. Music is an emotional phenomenon, after all, and we do become emotionally drawn to the earliest gear that first elevated the sound to new heights beyond what was coming out of radios, and nowadays phones, etc. For some, it became the trigger for becoming an audiophile in search of audio perfection however we define it. But we never forget that early gear and how it made us feel. Of course specs matter, but many reviewers downplay or exclude their emotional attraction to gear (maybe in an effort to seem hyper-rational an maybe more unbiased?). You decribe the features and qualities of the gear that made you feel that way which to me is more powerful than a dry recitation on specs (which of course are important but not the sole reason some of us decide on a certain piece of gear). A great review!
P.S. My first "real" turntable was my 1978 Technics SL-1800, bought new when I was eighteen, which gratefully I still have and use daily. Ironically, because of long work hours, few expenses, and heavy research that first system was my best. Because of a life not staying in one place for long, I often did not have an audio system. But that turntable always rode to my new address in the passenger seat of the car, carefully wrapped in a blanket, never being moved by anyone but me. When I finally settled down and put a system together in my mid-fifties, my SL-1800 became the crown jewel of my system which I'd describe as "budget audiophile" due to a low income resulting from chronic health issues. Now sporting an Audio-Technica VMN40ML cartridge, and never having required a repair, I am still in love with that turntable and would be severely bummed if anything happened to it.
You aren't alone on this one. I sold mine for a few bucks in college and regretted it ever since - until I snagged this. Won't be selling this bad boy. Great video!
Thank you for the review. I bought the SL-1500C a few years ago and am very satisfied. I did upgrade the cartridge from the 2M Red to the 2M Blue and it made a huge difference in the sound. I am now using the 2M Bronze and love it as well, but the difference between it and the 2M Blue is not as significant as the upgrade from the Red to the Blue. I do look forward to all your postings. Keep up the great work.
are you still using the built in pre?
What's the sound difference between red and blue? 😊
"INfamous" Sl-1200? Really? Also, as far as I know it was never originally built as a DJ turntable, it was adopted as one. 1200s still out-measure many modern "audiophile" decks due to the damping in the chassis, platter etc and the outstanding speed stability and torque. Very few decks that aren't going for ridiculous money are built to the standard these were.
Managed to acquire an SL-1210mk2 (the black one) a while back for a very good price which had suffered a decade or 2 of DJ abuse. Works like a swiss watch.
Opened it up to restore the ground wire (a common DJ mod is to ground via the phono leads for convenience - but if Technics made it with a separate ground wire, they did it for a good reason) and was amazed at how it's put together inside and all the mass and anti-resonance efforts. No wonder they decided to stop manufacture when the tooling wore out - they must have cost a bomb to make, which is now reflected in the price of the new lines.
BTW - love those orange covers on the JBLs :)
Been a technics fan since 1976!! Thanks for the great review and personal comments! The price alone for this would enrage the audio technica people!! They prefer to disassemble and try to improve the lack of quality parts and engineering while I prefer to doing a needle drop and enjoying my technics!!
Im still burnin my Technics sl 3300 i bought in 78. My first and only table i have ever owned.
Although that model would not have been my first choice even back then it does say a lot about Technics build quality. (Among others I do own a SL-1210 Mk5 and a SL-7 to this day and they, too, have both been running for decades without ANY issues whatsoever.) You really can't go much wrong with a half-decently cared for Technics TT.
Just like to say thanks for this video. I had been looking at the 1500 for a while and your review helped me decide to purchase one.
What a great table. My model came from Turntable Lab with the 2M Blue upgrade.
I immediately got the lack of warmth but exchange the stock rubber mat with a rubber/cork composite mat that added warmth and did not sacrifice the energy.
I’m looking forward to getting to know it even more…
Thanks again,
Scott
this is so well explained that I felt that I learned something not just about this turntable, but I learned a little bit more about hifi at the same time. One of the best reviews I have watched from anyone!
Found this in 2023 while looking for a new turntable and having the 1500C on my list of choices. Your thorough and passionate review convinced me to double-plus my budget and buy this turntable. I hope in the interim since you made this video you were finally able to obtain one for yourself!
AR - watching this now because I just bought this unit. Fun to watch your older stuff, you’ve gotten so much more comfortable and camera savvy 😂. Love your stuff
I've had one of these for nearly a year now, and would echo everything you say. I fitted upgraded leads, and a blue Ortofon stylus which made quite a difference. All in all, a very good and easy to use turntable.
Probably the best tech review I've ever watched/heard! Your detailed way of analysis and creative descriptors is honestly unique. I just subscribed today and really look forward to exploring the rest of your content & future videos :-)
I appreciate it. Thank you for watching!
Yes I really like Andrew , sometimes I don’t agree with him but he is really a refreshing voice , probably because he has learnt from his past experiences-
I don't always agree with Andrew, but I like his style and he seems honest and not as swayed by commercial influences.
I love my Technics SL-1300. Bought it used for $40. It's often overlooked because everybody wants a 1200 deck. The 1300 is also built like a tank!
Brian Matthews Agreed! I have a 1300 (full auto) and 1400 (semi-auto) that I bought very cheaply and they are amazing beasts! Arm return at the end of a record is a real feature, and you’re not giving up an iota of sound or build quality to get it with these.
Closed my eyes and briefly thought you were reviewing a vintage Merlot from the vineyards of a distant town in France.....
Was thinking EXACTLY the same.
I'm a more of a Shiraz and SL1200MK2 guy
I know, he sounds often like a wine connisuier lol
@@swdgeldenhuys just a tint of dryness .. just a hint ..
1200G all the way. I grew up around the 1200 too. My aunt had one in the 80's. I remember the smell of the rubber platter mat, the strobe, the dots on the edge that danced as the platter rotated, and that S arm coasting up and down on the record never missing a tune. Once that arm dropped and the small pops could be heard as the stylus found it's groove, it was partly time and Cerveza time. That Marantz reciever and it's glow with VU meters, that Panasonic/Technics 8 Track with it's meter, and last those wood Marantz speakers and the smell of the foam grilles and paper cone. I had to be 2 or so. Just a Hi-fi toddler. 🍼 Now I'm floating the idea of completing the circle and getting my own magical 🦄.
Great review Andrew. You did an excellent job of articulating the product characteristics and "place in the market" for this turn table. I've been hunting a SL-1200 Mark 3, or later, for years.
This just threw a wrench into my choice for next turn table.
Great review guy! ... I might add that the 'drawbacks' you mention (less bass, rolled off highs) are mainly due to the low level 2M Red cart and the built-in preamp, as well as the headshell, it's wires and the stock RCA interconnects. These items can make or break the sound of a turntable... I have the 1200GR with the Schiit Mani preamp, Nagaoka MP-200 cart, Lintz headshell wires, a Jelco heasdhell, and quality low capacitance RCA interconnects and it sounds like a different turntable. Simply brilliant! It doesn't have to cost a lot to maximize the sound of the Technics family of turntables. Their potential goes way beyond what's provided in the box.
I thought the thick RCA cables that comes with the Technics SL-1200GR are great? I have a 1210GR, Schiit Mani, Nagaoka MP-110 and i think they sound great. I will upgrade the cart to MP-200 sometime in the future.
@@Livewire91 they are okay
@@sargeantsalt9081 Ok, i was thinking of buying Cordial RCA cables between the turntable and premap. All the rest of my cables are from Cordial. Is there a difference really between stock Technics rca cable and cordial? Thoughts?
Another great review Andrew! I've always love the sound as well as the look and feel of Technics turntables. I used a couple Technics professional turntables in the 1980's - 90s when I worked in radio. Always wished I could take them home with me:)
Enjoy the music!
I have a SL-1200G for 2 years now and recently I have heard the 1500C in real life.
I can tell you: the 1200G sounds even more analytical, the attack of cymbals you described are even more present on the 1200G.
But in the end, the cartridge determines how it sounds for the biggest part and the 2M Red has a bit sharp treble on recommended load (220pF).
How I always describe the Technics sound is like: It sounds like pro-audio lab equipment, analytical, clean and accurate.
Something that isn't a typical product attribute audiophiles look for, so it surprises me that these (and the 1200G/GR) turntables are considered "audiophile products".
But you're comparing a $4000 turntable to a $1200 table, so I expect the SL-1200G to be a least a little better! I really wonder how the SL-1500 compares to the SL-1200GR, sound wise, with the same cartridge.
@@wd3574 Yes that would be interesting, especially with the internal preamp of the 1500C turned off, so that both the 1500C and 1200GR use the same external phono preamp.
Great review ! As a young audiophile (circa 1980's), I always admired many of Technics tables, particularly when comparing it against the likes of Rega, Ariston, stc, -that were better (most of the time), yet the Technics SLB-200 (belt) series era offerings always sounded musical, enjoyable in a very economical, easy-to-use package that also provided many years of trouble-free operation.
It therefore surprises me not that today's SL-1500C (reviewed here) is as impressive as many respected reviewer's today claim, as some of Technics older/more expensive as the legendary SL-1200 -and higher-end offerings (SL-10?) were capable of excellent SQ.
I think it time to 'dust-off' some of the the retained 150 albums from 2003/4. I never thought the day would come when I'd consider spinning them ever again. And yet, this SL-1500C shall find a home here.
I'm confident the experience shall serve as a time-machine -catapulting listener's into a largely by-gone era. AND, if it proves to better CD/Streaming SQ (as it clearly bettered CD-sound back in 1990), that would be remarkable indeed. I'll take mine in (classic) silver !
pj
Did you purchase the Technics SL 1500c? If so how do you like it?
This new deck is a very good compromise. It will please many. My personal experience though was one of mixed feelings rather than disappointment. It certainly didn't sound better than my old SL-1210 mkII. So I investigated the new SL-1200G.
It really is a serious audiophile Turntable and way better than my SL-1210 mkII in terms of build (which is stunning) dynamics & control, as well as resolution which is stupid good for a vinyl setup.
Records I thought I knew inside out became more revealing - oh and a solid image and wide, deep sound stage. Using a simple Schiit Mani phono preamp (cheap but amazing sound quality) and Nagaoka MP300
For an old fashioned technology, it was coming close to my high end digital system costing considerably more.
In terms of enjoyment, well, I'm buying vinyl again Adding to my collection, but I'm discovering my old 80's & 90's vinyl is actually sounding better with only the odd exception.
Vinyl is still very cool 😎
Chris Bishop the 1200G is what I’ve got. It’s a state of the art beast.Mine has an Audio Technica Art9 MC cart married to it. ❤️❤️❤️
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The Art9 is an awesome cart ... 🎵🎶
The G at least has the mk2s robust b c rubber base.
Honestly though all the technics tables sold today can be used as audiophile tables. Even the 1200mk7 can be used as an audiophile table. All these turntables produce audiophile sound!
if its a 1200 its t4 biznis. put a good cart and stylus on it and you wont get a better sounding table... for the $ anyways.
Thank you for this Eric. I was looking at that model and was curious if it would be great for an audiophile/simple vinyl lover such as myself. I see a lot of reviews from DJ’s (of course) - and wanted to know if they are suitable for an audiophile
Technics SL1200 MK2 turntable, Ortofon 2M Bronze, acrylic mat, Rega MM MK3 phono stage, 150 Watt Philips PA 1200B Amp, Klipsch Forte originals... Sounds amazing, I'm very happy...
The mk7 can be upgraded with a KabUsa glass platter and thin technics rubber mat, isanoe feet, a better power cord, and high quality phono interconnect low on capacitance. Throw on a shure m97xe cartridge with the stabilizer brush and you are all set. Mine sits on a butcher block acoustics walnut platform for even more resistance to vibration. To me, the mk7 is a bargain and a high quality turntable. No loose tonearm bearings, the tonearm is silky smooth. The cueing lever is also high quality as the stylus drops to record surface nice and slow and gentle, as it should. It plays 78's as well. For $999 it's great. I'm also no DJ, I'm an audiophile with with way too many turntables. My main turntable is an Avid ingenium belt drive. I bought the mk7 because it was reasonably priced compared to the 1200 gr and g...and honestly, it's the only game in town for a relatively cheap direct drive, not a vast amount of options out there. From what I've researched, the 1200 gr is slightly heavier, shares the same tonearm, and has a bit more torque. Honestly, the difference in price is not justified when it comes down to only how it sounds. I'm sure the mk7 and the gr sound very similar. You get the better tonearm and less plastic in the 4k G model...too much money for me, unless i sell off some tables.
Probably been mentioned already but with so many variables in the chain, the weakest link here seems to be the cartridge...The 2M red is a fine cartridge but I can’t imagine anyone spending $1200 on this table but hobbling it with that cart. I would’ve loved it if this review provided a little more perspective by swapping out the Ortofon with a few other cartridges, like the Nagaoka MP-200, to get a clearer picture of what this table is capable of or what it’s real characteristics are.
Yes the Red is limited - grainy highs and not that much detail is what I found. However, it's pleasant enough with a nice big 3-D soundstage. And it was not broken in, perhaps the crispy highs would be tamed a bit after some more run. Not as bad as I thought based on some unflattering things I'd read about the Red, but then I put on my Ortofon Blue cart and it was next level. Also, the Sumiko Moonstone is a terrific performer on this deck. I'm going to look at the KAB damper and tonearm wrapping as mods that maybe can coax a little more performance performance out of the 1500c.
Yes, I agree. I think most of what Andrew describes he hears is due more to the cartridge, stylus type and/or alignment, than to the turntable itself.
I put a Ortofon Black on it and it's Awesome , working with my Marantz 2275..I also have a 1200mk2, so not new to this, so glad they put that Auto Lifter Function on it
I've been reading reviews on CARTS the last couple of weeks.
The 3 that I have found most interesting are: Otofone 2m-Black, DENON 103, and Nagaoka MP-200. The Denon requires another pre-amp since it's a MC Cart, but I hear it's one of the BEST Ever made. The Nagaoka MP-200 has a Boren Cantilever (sp) that sounds $100s of Dollars less that most others with the same metals used. The 2m-Black maybe better than the 1st 2 Carts, but is it really, or is that is a POPULAR Brand with a Good Reputation costing a few Hundred more than it really is worth?
..... anyway, I stuck my 2 cents in because you were the 1st person who has mentioned Nagaoka!
Cartridges sound different ……. not necessarily better!
I love this guy he's pretty darn good at his job of discernment on stereo Systems
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The 1200 was never designed to be a DJ table, DJs merely adopted it. It was an audiophile table when it came out, but through the 90s and 2000s DJs were the only thing keeping turntable sales alive, which is why Technics didnt do any major redesigns.
Great fact I didn’t know. I can’t tell you the countless videos of DJ’s referring to the 1200 as the DJ’s table.
How is a 1200 mk2 not a DJ turntable it has pitch control on it?
@@nomadwcd8877 Pitch control is useful for many people not just DJ's. If you're a singer/musician you might adjust the pitch to make it spot on for A440 tuning. You can then hear the music at the correct pitch which is very important for ear training, transcribing solos, and many other use cases. Many years ago, I had a Dual turntable + Ortofon cartridge combo, and it had pitch control. This was not a DJ turntable at all, and this feature, found on some turntables, was around way before DJ's started doing their thing with the Technics 1200's. The DJ's clever as they are, just used the 1200's to their fullest advantage, and the rest is history as they say!
As usual partly right. The mk1 was a home turntable for serious listening. DJs picked up on it. On the back of this the mk2 was made more DJ friendly and quickly became the ubiquitous 'DJ Turntable' spawning many wannabees over the decades. Technics other TTs after the 80s were pretty much meh so the 1200 series were really their top of the line home turntable too. In the 90s snobbery came and 'audiophiles' pretty much decided DD was for amateurs. Technics have pretty much smashed that theory with the new generation of Turntables and I'm pleased to say that I own two of the range.
I enjoyed the presentation and it pretty much summed up how I feel about this turntable. I'm not a fan of the 2M Red so installed something I prefer from scratch but overall I just love this 1500C. I picked the silver colourway.
The SL 1500c is beautiful, but I have to correct you on two things.
#1 the sl 1200 was not intended to be a DJ turntable, it was made for professional broadcast use, but later adapted to the nightclub scene.
#2 Technics already made a consumer version of the 1200, which was the SL 1300 and 1300 MK2. Look them up.👍
David Michaels Thank YOU sooo much for letting people know! I hate hearing people refer to the SL-1200 as a “DJ Turntable” it was for professional/audiophile use initially. It was the quality, plus the fact they’re built like TANKS that made it the standard for Night Clubs, Production, Tours, Competition
You are mainly describing the sound of the Ortofon Red, my first modern cartridge. I have since moved to a Benz Micro Gold MC and much more musical. I have a SL1200
You are right. I have this combination and it’s great but that cartridge is the weak link. I realized this after switching it out for a Denon 301 mk2. Record noise is in the background now and every LP I play is highly listenable.
The bouquet of Red’ .. ha ha .. 😂🤣😂 I’ll have a 12’ with a gold concord on the side please
The way I would describe the bass response of this turntable and cartridge, having one myself, is tight... you can hear the individual strokes of a kettle drum on a symphony recording, or the tightness in the note structures in bass cords on a bass guitar in any Jazz, Blues of Rock performance, which I find pleasing, because it doesn't overdrive the rest of the soundstage.
It's worth noting that even the lower end SL-series direct drive turntables are extremely robust. I got into vinyl a month ago by picking up a used SL-D33 which came out in 1979-1981-ish off of craigslist untested and with one belt to fix the automatic tonearm mechanism and a replacement stylus, this thing is working amazingly. I'm extremely happy with how it performs and how it still runs after all this time.
I installed a 2M Black on my SL-1500C and it improves the sound drastically!!!!!!
Perfect match with the In-Built Pre-Amp.
Do you think you could go even higher with the cartridge, as I am very keen to get the turntable myself ?.
I am curios if the 2m Black ever hits the records with its belly when records are dished or wobbling. How was your experience in this regard? Thanks!
@@r423sdex What's better??
The SL-1200 was not a DJ table. It was designed to be a mid priced audiophile turntable by Technics/Panasonic at first, but DJ’s adopted it very quickly because of how robust and roadworthy it was. Not to mention it’s pitch control made it easy for DJ’s to beat match tempos. It has reached cult worthy status with both audiophiles and DJ’s, but companies like KAB reminded people of its audiophile roots by offering audiophile upgrades/mods and it continues to be used by both parties to this day.
Thank you for another great vid, Andrew. Keep up the great work. 🎶🔊🙂
Thank you for watching. Appreciate the background.
You are partially correct.
I have one. Andrew is totally on point with the sound. My complaints on this table are that it's a little microphone-ish, though not terrible. It's probably the cost saving materials used in the body construction. But it's not bad, especially with the very nice internal preamp. The cue lever is garbage, and I wish they hadn't cut costs there, but this table is really nice overall.
Another confirmation to keep my vintage technics direct drive turntable
They do seem to be built to last. Thanks for watching!
beautiful.
i own a 1200 from 1993. Its great, but i never intended to use it as a dj.
id like 1500, and i think it will be my next tt.
I'm glad that the 2 Sl1210mk2 i bought for djing 18 years ago are still around in prestige condition. i always knew once they stopped making them that if they come back it won't be the same.
Well the let down is the Cartridge being the Red. You should change it to Nagaoka MP150 or the MP200. It alleviate it to a much higher ground.
I have the SL1200MK5 and graduated from the Rega Planar 3 with S arm , Planar 3 with RB 300 and the last being the RP3. I am getting tired with Elys cartridge and no way of changing just the needle. One have to change the whole Rega cart if the needle got blunt. I switch the Grado but Rega arms does not have VTA height adjuster. You have to find special washer to raised the arm. I got rid of the RP3 and bought the SL1200. What a turntable! VTA can be adjusted to what ever carts you installed. You can buy all sorts of carts and have it mount unto the headshell. Just change headshell, reset the VTA and balanced the arm and you set to go. So EASY. Best is press stop and the player stopped immediately and you can changed LPs or flip sides immediately. I remember with the Rega, the usual practice is to grab the LP sides while spinning, flip it or change the LPs. One day I slipped and crash the heavier than usual audiphile LP. Crashed it rolled onto the floor. My heart stop for a while. Hope won't get scratched!. The SL1200 direct drive is a blessing, no such stunt should ever be done on such precioud Los.
I might consider the SL1500c just for the fact, they omit the DJ stuff like Pitch control which I don't use. I like the auto off function but I hope they retain the pop out light incase in the dark listening room you need the light to guide your needle to the start track. That is the only downside of the SL1500c. I like the built in phono stage as o hate small boxes of phono stage and the use of wall watts to power up. It cluttered the system set up!.
This answered so many of my questions- thank you!
Good review! However, the SL-1200 wasn ‘t designed as a dj-tool. The fact that is was built “as a tank” was the reason the dj used it. The SL-1200 series was so good that it was able to survive the mistreatments it was never developed for coping with.That’s the reason why beat up units still play like new. Greetings from Hekelingen, The Netherlands. Proud owner of two original SL-1200’s, now 12 years old.
If it weren’t for the price, I’d go for it. I’ve always had a weak spot for anything Technics; I’ve owned several P-Mounts and one S-tonearm model. I’d say that this occupies the same spot the original 1200 held when it first came out.
When it comes to usability and quality,the SL-1600MK2 adds a solid portion comfort to that.
Which is imho still the deck with the best price/quality ratio Technics ever sold.
Nice to see someone reviewing this table but I couldn't help but notice the serious amount of dust on the vinyl in your B roll. If you were using this in your testing you'll be losing a ton of detail. Specifically when the stylus is covered in trailing dust. Id suggest you get a cleaner for your vinyl and play it clean. It will sound WAY better.
I'm already aware how awesome the SL-1500C looks and sounds and am ready to pop over to Bay Bloor to get one when I saw your review. I was hoping you would, but you didn't touch on at all about that one other big elephant of a difference it has with the SL-1200: the auto-lifter system (must-have in hifi IMHO, not so in a DJ situation). What I know so far is there is an option to enable/disable it. Other than that I'd like to know, 1. if enabled, after the stylus has reached the record end and it lifts, does it stay in that place (and you have to manually put it back in the cradle) or does it go back to the rest position automatically? 2. After it lifts, does the platter also stop spinning or do you have to hit the start/stop/cue button for it to? Here in Toronto ON, Canada, the SL-1500C is CAD$200 more expensive than a current-production SL-1200 MK7 and every bit of info anywhere helps. Is it worth spending that much more because of the auto-lifter system, for one?? It's surprising how clueless actual sellers are (that I have inquired from so far) about how the wretched auto-lift works. Thank you for the review and thank you for reading this comment.
Sounds like the symbols and drums on "when the Levee breaks" must explode even more possibly on the 1500 presently using audiotechnica 160. Seems decent.
After 40 years of faithful service, I have decided to retire my Sony PS X65 as its become unusable due to faults and is beyond economic repair. I have just ordered a 1500c in black and hopefully it'll perform as well as my Sony. Good video as always Andrew, and agree totally with your "ease of use" comment. If something is a pain to access/ set up, it often ends up unused and is a waste of money.
I have an SL-Q300 that I bought from dads buddy 6 years ago. Still love it!!!
It’s simply one of the best Turntables money can buy and paired with the 700 receiver... man!
I know right!! I'm lusting after both.
When I had a belt-driven Technics turntable, I found have a pitch control was helpful in adjusting the speed because after a while, that 'belt' (glorified rubber band) would start to stretch and cause variations in playing speed. So, between the pitch control and the strobe, I could make minor adjustments to playing speed when necessary.
Great review as usual Andrew. Awesome looking turntable, not a bad price tag also. The SL1200 is still the model for me, because I still have use for the pitch control. I have vinyl from the 1970's, and 1980's that the record companies didn't press at exactly at 33 1/3. For example I have some Foghat records where Dave Peverett's voice sounds way to high at 33 1/3. Pitch control minus helps a lot. For people purchasing new vinyl I am sure they could just go with the 1500c.
I sorry I like the thorenz TD 160 ,Dual 1228.Is totally better
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the review - it was very informative. Quick question - do you think the 1500c would benefit from 2M blue cartridge?
Yes.
Andrew Robinson I will second that, very affordable and quick upgrade all you need is the stylus not the full cartridge.
I can't be sure because I've never owned the 1500c, but I bet it would benefit from an "upgrade" to a $40 AT-95e. I have an Ortofon Super OM body with an OM10 and an OM20 stylus that I think sound better than the 2M Red on the tables I've heard it on and I would choose the AT-95e or the newer version of it the AT-VM95e over both. Just like the 2M series you have a ton of options up to a fine-line with the AT-VM95** series.
@@nelsonbeck1631 I have a SL-1500c and I have replaced the Stylus on the Ortofon Cartridge to a 2M Blue, you do not need to replace the cartridge to do this, the sound is much better as the midrage is fuller and more open. bass is tighter as well. You need to take in to cosideration that the phone stage in the TT is made around the Ortofon Cartridge.
Happy with my sl 1500c, great turntable
I bought a cheap 1200 clone some 20 years ago, getting back to vinyl i was looking to replace the piece of junk. I wanted a quick change headshell and 78rpm. I found the audio technica 120, and i thought i’d go for that as it’d be a huge upgrade. Then i saw the 1500c.. i knew i could not be happy with anything else. It’s perfect! But... I don’t have the funds to buy it!
Just wait for it until the first 1500C's hit the second hand market.
Most audiophiles with money to burn don't like the analytic pro-audio style sound, so expect quite some units on the second hand market within the first year after launch.
I have been looking at this Technics SL-1500C and the similarly priced Dual CS 618Q. Which one would you prefer between those two? Seeing as you've tested them both. Visually, I like the look of both of them for different reasons, sound quality seems close enough. How about the tactile experience between them?
IN my opinion just about all the Technics turntables are legendary, if not all of them. It is my understanding that they are not sold in the United States anymore for whatever reason and there are not that many real quality turntables now, but throughout the 60's 70's 80's and 90's, Technics made some of the most incredible turntables and audio equipment. As a boy many years ago, I received a Panasonic tape recorder for my birthday and I was so amazed how good the sound quality was for only having one speaker. But, Panasonic was always knows for very high quality products. I still have a Panasonic boombox that I bought new in 1994 and it works perfect to this day. Technics made by Panasonic is very high quality equipment. As they say Technics The Science Of Sound.
I got mine 3 months ago. I haven't played vinyl for 30-some years so there was palpable excitmeent when I unpacked and assembled it. I bought a record clening kit and needle scale as part of the package but otherwise this ticked my boxes. I could have sprung for the Alva TTv2 fto get bluetootrh but i'm more of a headphone guy and the SL-1500C goes into my Harmony Design Ear 90 HPA to my HiFiMans/Mezes. Not gonna lie, it sounds good and is a joy to use. However, i'm not sold on the whole "warmer" sound thing. Sure, it occasionally pops and crackles but when listening for long stretches I much rather listen to CDs on my Oppo BDP-83SE NuForce Edition. Anyway, I have rediscovered the joy of singles, and used ones are usually really cheap so its been a wild time just buying up 80s music that I loved back in the day. I love the look of it, I ordered mine in white since it looks less DJ-ey (thats a word right?) and it looks absolutely chill on top of my Kallax. Great review!
This is one of my options to upgrade my setup. I love the fact that includes a phone preamp and the auto lift is a plu, the look is great but it looks empty at the same time.
Got a restored 1600mk2, full automatic DD with repeat function. Record size sensor & Quartz lock speed control. Weighs 20 pounds & metal body .
I'm still using my old technics sl d202 from the 70s. Still works fine why waste money upgrading until it breaks.
I'm in love! I had a Pioneer PL-12d when I was a kid. Loved it. But now I have money but still the same attitude. I just want value. I love the he describes his turntable like it was a super wine. Don't know if I will pay this kind of money but I love to hear his case. Thank you.
I love Technics I love 1500c.A vintage turntable made today's build like a tank
and looks amazing next to my MARANTZ 1060...or my Luxman L31....my new Yamaha S 701.what else.A turntable for modern and vintage equipment. Amazing review.I love the way that you connect the past with the future.This is 1500c .Ortofon red....phono amplifier...and 78rpm...removable rca?what else.?
I believe that the design is from 1501 or 1401.well done Technics.
Andrew, love the review. I like you had a 1210 MK2 for my personal record listening, when CD’s where at there peck I sold it for penny’s on the dollar. I have always regretted selling it, but on the bright side I kept my record collection. For the last five years I have been using a Project Debut Carbon with extras, acrylic plater, speed box, Q-up and the MP150 as the cartridge. When Technics restarted producing there world famous turntable’s again I did wish that they would make one without all the DJ bells and whistles, pitch control etc. Andrew, I have my sight set on my own 1500C. What HiFi also has this turntable as one of it’s finalist as turntable of the year, it just has to dethrone the king Rega’s P3.
I don't think there is ever one sole product that is the "best", it's all about what works for you and what you want to use/listen to. Listen to them both and decide for yourself which is right for you.
Interesting review. What I wonder about is how much of a turntables sound is due to the turntable or actually due to the cartridge being used?
It's really a combination of the table, the cartridge used and the phonostage that give a turntable its "sound". I do my best to summarize the 1500C's sound based on how it is delivered to customers out of the box. Of course you can get a new cartridge or phonostage and change the signature, by my opinions are based on how the 1500C sounds bone stock.
The bass of the ortofon is adequate not great and the highs are rolled off. I'd recommend a Nagaoka mp-110 or mp-150 instead.
@@olaniyi570 That is not a given, Every reviewer I've seen says that this combo of Ortofon and Phonostage are very compatible. I have the Nagaoka 110 and The 2M, and they work best with different phonostages..
In general its like: 10% turntable, 10% phono pre-amp and 80% cartridge.
But this 1 to 9 ratio can be different depending on how good or bad the cartridge matches the turntable and how well it goes with the pre-amp.
It all has to do with the combination of tonearm mass, stiffness of the tonearm material and the cartridge compliance.
When it comes to phono pre-amps, it mostly has to do with input capacitance (MM cartridges) or input resistance (MC cartridges).
Since this turntable has a built-in pre-amp without switchable inputs, I would say it makes 20% of the sound.
The sound is very heavily influenced by the deck and arm combo followed by the phono stage. A cart is limited, outside of its own spec of course, by the deck and arm combo. Figures of 80%-90% cart effect is only accurate in relation to how the deck and arm combo affects the carts actual performance. Play a 2M red on a 1500C (phono bypassed) and 1200GR side by side in a dealer demo and hear the difference. Put a 2M Black on an RPM Genie and hear no improvement over a Blue (which sounds so close to the Red, its not worth the price on that set up). Stick a 2M Black on a GR after a Red and hear the difference...
Great review. I presently use my much loved 1981 Technics SL1610Mk 2 Quartz which though very rare is in essence a home version of the SL1210. I recently saw and heard a demo of the new 1500c and was very impressed! Its nice to see Technics back doing what they did so well in the 70's. making quality Hi Fi. p.s. your Technics Amp looks awesome!
Thank you and thank you for watching. Sadly I returned the amp and turntable because my review period had ended. I miss them both terribly already.
I've got a sl-1610 as well...except the original version, not MKII.
It's precise, built like a tank but has the auto features I want.
I put Zu cables and a Nagaoka mp-150 cartridge on it and it puts a smile on my face everytime I use it.
Technics built/builds fine tt's!
Thanks a lot! I'm between Technics sl-1500c and Dual 618q. Both have strong and weak points. What would be your advice given every day listening using active speakers? And what device is more robust and durable in long term?
I have always thought the SL1200 was a mechanical powerhouse but a tiny bit thin-sounding table. I also have felt the Ortofon 2M Red to be a bit rolled off on the top end. I have not demoed the 1500C but I suspect that if you ran the Ortofon 2M Blue or the Nagaoka MP-110, at a minimum, you would have a totally different experience. Either way, the 1500C looks to be a great table for the price. Thanks Andrew.
And the absolute reliability of them... Technics makes a great line of turntables.
@@petrsixta7683 don’t agree. You’re not going to have the models from the 90’s ... early 2000’s anymore
I had an Audio- Technical's table I purchased many years ago, in fact I think it was made in Japan. It had a cheap cartridge and I had it paired with a Marantz 2230 vintage amp and a pair of Vintage Fisher speakers. The detail I heard from that relatively inexpensive system was better than I get from components ten times the cost. I kick myself for ever getting rid of those pieces of equipment. The biggest issue I had with them was cosmetics and difficulty finding someone who could repair vintage Marantz.
watched your exceptional review last week. Bought this turntable yesterday. Totally stoke with my decision to upgrade from my old Rega P1. Thanks for your help Andrew! Can't wait to spin my collection through!
Hey mate, just wondering how you find this one compared to the P1 after a few months, I also have a P1 and am considering upgrading.
@Andrew Robinson , have you used a SL1200GR? I'm trying to decide between the two, and the 1200 is still made in Japan, where the 1500C is made in Malaysia.
Here's my situation, and I'm in need of some advice. I grew up with a Sugden Connoisseur BD2 tt, that my father bought new. I used it for a while, once I moved out. At one point I bought a Pro-Ject Debut II, but I was never quite satisfied with it. I returned to the Connoisseur, and this time I knew how to set it up properly. I boought a new stylus for the Pickering XV-15 cartridge, and to me the table sounded amazing for it's age, and taking into account that it was a bottom dollar unit when new. Lately I've been thinking about moving the Connoisseur into a well deserved retirement (won't ever get rid of it!), and started to look for a somewhat affordable new, direct drive tt.
Long story short, I bought the Audio-Technica AT-LP5X, based on good reviews. To put it bluntly.. It's a POS! I'm returning the plastic piece of crap, and I'm now coming to the realization that I might have to at least double my budget to get something that's better than a fifty year old, entry level tt. Please tell me, is the SL-1500C worth the price? What was most disappointing about the Audio-Technica, was the cheap, plasticy, Chinese feel all over the thing. To say I was defeated is an understatement.
I don't want the USB, or the DJ stuff, or any extra fluff for that matter. Just a table that works, and has that solid, weighty old school feel of a quality unit. Will I find happiness with the SL-1500C?
Great review, as always. I think the 1200MK2 is the *best* bang for your buck, if you are able to find one locally in your area. Classic, reliable and built to last - you simply can't go wrong.
i agree but first try to find a home turntable ,it´s better in sound quality and it does all functions one needs at home no wider ptich, just the speed needed no lights for dark enviroments,all that comes with a professional turntable ,but i think it matters the higher sound quality ,i myself had two SL-1200mkII for 35 years but at home i had from technics a SP-1 and a SL-1000MKII which were far better in sound and in saving the vinyl ,no destroyed records after 10 years of use or one new years eve, about new years eve that´s when i discovered that a record filled with noises if somewater droped on top of it , like a buble all noises went away. I discovered that because one night at 00.05 of the new year i had put to play this in early 80´s ,the longest song i could remenber high and drunk, i put hurricane from bob dylan but after a few minuts i notice the sound was very clean and the record allthough it sounded well it had some noises, that´s when i went for the room where the turntables were and a buble of champaign was on top of the record with it still playing, i thought i had discovered something new like "guys ,if onedrops a litle champaign ona noisy record ,all noises disappear" but i wasn´t thinking my brain was doing other stuff, less record sound more femaleshape around . Try other technics turntables and you´ll be amazed but today all are expensive, locally one can find a 2nd hand turntable for a cheap price and well kept , this before checking new material for big amounts of money
What about if you upgrade the cartridge with a 2m blue or Nagaoka mp110?
I like the way that it doesn't sound too warm,because in my personal music taste when the music sounds too warm it sounds like 'faded or bad recorded music.
read someone's comment in the forums and he mentioned that the 1500c's built in phono sounds better than the schiit mani as well as the entry level project phono preamps. anyone reading this has also made the comparison?
Like you I had a SL-1200MK2 back in my younger days and was sorry that I sold it on Ebay when I had kind of gotten away from vinyl. I was thinking about the REGA Planer 3 but will probably settle for the 1500C in Black. Nice review by the way.
There is so much good about the SL-1500C but I really dislike the bubble on the dust cover and would hate to have to look at it every day. Just a classic square box for me please 😆
For what some call a budget table, I’m sure this is a great performing Direct Drive table
Still using my SL1900 with nagaoka mp110 and hyde platter mat. Sound's superb. Plugged into Tisbury Audio phono amp and speakers set up according to RSP, rational speaker placement. RSP made the greatest improvement overall and the use of concertmeister basio isolation pods are amazing.
Would it be better to buy a SL-1200 mk2 or the 1500C? The 1200s ive seen run around $500-$600, though a lot of them are scratched. Is it too much of a risk to buy a 1200 due to age and parts availability? People say they last forever, but all things eventually turn to dust.
Love the turntable, what do you think about a 1700 Mk2 My turntable was stolen and I am desperately looking to replace it with something that is good and still affordable
Excellent presentation, Andrew is gifted. I’m going to buy one by the way !
Might just be my next table down the line. I'd ditch that 2M Red and throw on a Nagaoka mp 150 or 110.
Or go for an Ortofon Concorde Century: a Hi-Fi cartridge (on par with a 2M Bronze) in a Concorde package.
Completes the vintage DJ looks of every Technics deck 👍
You are making a GREAT CHOICE !
Disclaimer: I currently run a Technics 1200 Mk. 5 with a Nagaoka MP-150 phono cartridge
Yup. Or Mp500 and be blown away beyond ever being able to listen to other mp again😂
david davidson I was thinking the same thing. I have no experience with them in person, but from reading around the Nagaoka cartridges are on my wishlist to try. I currently have a fully automatic linear turntable for ease of use as I can't see. But my ears know what they like, and someday that may change.
@@tristiangallegos4561for what it's worth, I currently use an Mp-110 and I love it.
I'm still rocking a Technics SL-1300Mk2 (with repaired cueing) from 1978. While I'm tempted to explore a 1500C, I'm leery because I can't imagine how it would even come close to the build quality or "feel" of the classic Technics DD tables, much less replace my beloved 1300Mk2.
The only reason for Me not buying this one, Was the 78 feature. Not all 78's pitch at the same speed, They can be slower or faster so You need the Pitch to sort this out. Otherwise I would have gone for this as a second deck to the three SL1210mk2's that does not have the 78 Feature. And the only one that has It all the SL1200G Is out of My price bracket. Soon as one comes down I will snap It up. Great review by the way. Pity You could not keep It. Two of My decks are fitted with Concord Pro2's, And My third deck for Hi-Fi Is fitted with the Nagaoka MP-150 and this goes through the Schit-Mani and It sounds Brilliant. My 2MRed Is on stand by when the Stylus runs out Between Ordering a New one. As they come from China and can take awhile. I also have a Nagaoka MP-110 this has a Louder out put for playing Lower recorded LP's like Jazz and Classical.
Great video thank you. I'm getting back into vinyl after after too many years away and was pretty sure I was leaning toward a Pro-Ject Debut Pro S or maybe a Rega Planar 3 until I came across this video. Of the three which would you recommend?
Hi Just have question for you about this turntable. How is the power button of this table ?? Just got the same table and the power button is missing presses now and then. The power button on this table does not feel very reliable ?? I can somehow understand it has some delay because it is logic controlled (does not respond to very fast presses) but it feels kinda irrational, all the other buttons work and respond like a charm. Someone else was talking about this same thing in reddit. Does it need a somekind of power down and up cycle ???
Great video....im torn between this table and a rega planar 3 with a 2m blue cartridge same price what do you think rega or technics?
Sadly, we can't seem to get Rega to send us a table to review due to distribution limitations. If you're still on the hunt and are looking for a Technics alternative, check out this one from Cambridge (which we just reviewed ), it's amazing - bit.ly/AlvaCA
I’m also wondering which turntable rega or technics both as same price level, which is superior ?
I too am weighing up these decks- opinions anyone?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Cambridge unavailable as of September 2022.
The original SL-1200 ENABLED early DJ's to do what they do..... What other table could survive the assault of scratching and back-queueing without clunking and slowing down?? It became the choice of DJs because of how well it was built, and how great it sounded. Then other manufacturers jumped on board and started making similar tables. While I'm more a wood side panel guy..... I'd prefer a 1200 with the DJ appointments.... the strobe dots, pop-up light, and pitch control. It looks cooler, and I like the queue light.
Prices have dropped and the SL-1210Mk7 is now actually marginally cheaper than the SL-1500C.
I bought the latter only yesterday and in favour of the 12xx, simply because I'm not interested in the DJ features, but wanted to have a new SL nevertheless and well, the Ortofon cartridge was a nice bonus.
I have the SL 1400 from the 80's and I think the new 1500 C is the true descendent of this turntable
It’s a home run! I’m getting one.
My 1500C is coming in today, I can't wait! I'll be using a 2M Bronze in the headshell, so I'll see how it sounds after using the 2M Red.
How is it!!!!????
@@chamber20projects It's everything I could hope for, I love it! I added a Funkfirm Achromat that fits the platter. With my 2M Bronze, I can truly appreciate what my records have to offer.
I'll be staying with Technics for life! I'll be keeping this TT for life or until it breaks and can't be repaired.
Even with the 2M Red, I was shocked good it sounded out the box running through my Schiit Mani Phono Preamp.
It makes my Fluance sound dull and slow by comparison.
@@inko123 How do you compare the built-in phono preamp to Mani? I have 1500c and thinking about getting Mani
@@playlist286arhbffsd I honestly didn't even listen it. I have been using the Schiit Mani for so long that it just didn't interest me. Having heard the built in phono preamp on my yahmaha avr, I cam say the mani was more dynamic, offered better bass and highs.
I just Andrew that the built in preamp is worthy being on the 1500c. I would give it a shot, and then maybe later on try out the Mani, I feel the Mani is the perfect phono Preamp for ortofon cartridges.
Goodluck!
@@inko123 hi im also curious to know if the built in is better than the mani. hmmmm
Reading a lot of quality control issues with the 1500c and mk7, specifically warped platters that are "within" spec. For anyone looking at these tables for just listening purposes, it should be also noted that the 1500c has a slightly heavier platter (4.5lbs VS the mk7's 4lbs).
Any thoughts on the auto stop?
Hi, does the autolift function work when playing 78 rpm shellac records?
Hi Andrew. Thank you for your reviews. I am in a market for a turntable and I am watching all your videos. I would like to ask for your advice. I have a short list of turntables but unfortunately I am not able to test and listen all. I am curios if you would recommend this SL-1500C over Pro-Ject Debut Pro or Pro S (I can have the Pro S at the same price as Pro) and Rega Planar 3. Or should I go for the LP140X and spend the difference on preamps and cartridges?
I am absolutely loving what's coming from Technics these days - their products remain very true to the company's heritage without resting on their laurels one bit. They work tirelessly to improve and deliver on outstand sound at even better values and it really comes together well in their final packages. This SL-1500C paired with the SU-G700 and the Buchardt S400s just seem like the perfect little setup for my needs and ears, and I can't wait to install them in my setup (in the near future)! Thanks a bunch, your videos are on point!
It is a very decent review, yet I would really appreciate it if you shared your experience with this table at higher SPL. I am very much interested if this unit is susceptible to acoustic feedback at high volume or if the sound gets muddy at moderate levels. I guess it should be OK since its sibling has been used by DJs all over the world, but still. On a different note, in my opinion there is no point reviewing the 2M Red cartridge as it indeed sounds obviously harsh. I replaced it with DL-103R many years ago and the same table I have delivered totally different superb sound.
You Mister just made me want to buy one after watching several reviews.