How MLB’s Batting Champion Is One of Its Least Valuable Everyday Players

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  • @ktcrzzz2381
    @ktcrzzz2381 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +632

    Fun fact: Kyle Schwarber had a higher OBP than Luis Arraez in 2024, while also having 34 more homers.

    • @KaliPacKobain
      @KaliPacKobain 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

      Kyle Schwarber . Dude is like a trucker who on his off days hits homers 😂😂😂😂

    • @Wolf-wc1js
      @Wolf-wc1js 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

      Schwarber is the perfect example of a 3 true outcome player. He’ll either 1. Strike out 2. Draw a walk 3. Hit a dinger

    • @dre32pitt
      @dre32pitt 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Schwaber is Matt Stairs on steroids (not literally)

    • @somerandomguy5977
      @somerandomguy5977 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Luis Arreaz was hurt like half the season. Most players wouldn't've even been able to be productive with a messed up thumb. The fact that you think Schwarber clogging the basepaths is good then you're high on numbers with absolutely zero common sense or logic.

    • @goughpsmythe4979
      @goughpsmythe4979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

      ​@@somerandomguy5977That's hilarious when Arraez clogs the basepaths just as much as Schwarber does. Arraez only hits singles, doesn't steal bases, and runs the bases terribly.

  • @DAR0BA
    @DAR0BA 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +316

    When you bat 350 and are a 72 overall on mlb the show

    • @cmk921
      @cmk921 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      @@DAR0BA because he has no power, no speed, no arm and no glove 😂

    • @DAR0BA
      @DAR0BA 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ yea he has to have like autism or something and hitting singles is the super power they gave him

    • @Cllaayy
      @Cllaayy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You think 99 contact is gonna make him 80+ovr

    • @jennyanydots2389
      @jennyanydots2389 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The Show... totes legit rankings. Totes brugh

    • @alxndr727
      @alxndr727 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Dude was legit born to keep Ohtani from getting the triple crown. Doubt Ohtani ever gets close again considering he'll be pitching and hitting now. He lost because Arraez sat the last game LMAO

  • @franklindcottrell
    @franklindcottrell 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +112

    "Ichiro only hit singles" he also was a gold glove center/right fielder, stole lots of bases and walked a lot.

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Exactly. I like Arraez, but among current MLB players, he’s basically Giancarlo Stanton without the hitting power and marginally better defensive abilities.

    • @TheCybercoco
      @TheCybercoco 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Ichiro could've slugged if he wanted to. Could've easily been a 20+ HR guy. He chose the approach that he felt best helped his team. He was a table setter, and one of the best hitters to ever play the sport.
      This channel is completely wrong about strikeouts. Baseball analysts always bring up strikeout rates of batters when they strike out a lot. It's only tolerated to an extent when the batter is still producing runs when they do hit (which tend to be power hitters). Otherwise, striking out is the worst thing a batter can do. It's always better to put the ball into play, because you never know what can happen. Ichiro proved that.

    • @nohbuddy1
      @nohbuddy1 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Ichiro also accumulated a 32.9 oWAR in his first 7 MLB seasons. Arraez has accumulated 16

    • @nickbovi
      @nickbovi 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Not to take anything away from Ichiro, but he didn't walk alot, in his 12 full seasons in Seattle he averaged about 43 walks per year. Still a great player no doubt, but he didn't walk much.

    • @thmazing
      @thmazing 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nickbovi Not sure he NEEDED to walk. His lifetime OBP was still .355.

  • @jimbo-john_1.21_1.5
    @jimbo-john_1.21_1.5 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +272

    Basically, the new stats just quantify what we’ve all known all along: You have to be more than a one tool player to be the best.

    • @avaandowenmallen9965
      @avaandowenmallen9965 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      I understand but I still like old school numbers like batting average lol😂

    • @enshk79
      @enshk79 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      We've known that since sports were invented. Thank you for the insight.

    • @STONESGAM
      @STONESGAM 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I am old school and like the old school stats that were on the back of baseball cards. Lol. Some of these advanced metrics take a little bit of the fun out of the game especially with the pitch count and some teams not even letting pitchers go far into a game when they have no hitters going which is crazy to me.
      There is something to be said of the Wade Boggs, Ichiro's and Tony Gwynns of the game at the top of the order almost guaranteed to reach base once or twice a game to set the table for the power guys.

    • @parkercrossland410
      @parkercrossland410 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Being a batting champ is inherently valuable when the batting average is like .340. Hitting .310 is a lot less impactful.

    • @ghjong001
      @ghjong001 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Here's the funny thing about Tony Gwynn - while he has a reputation as a singles hitter because he didn't hit a lot of HRs, his career OPS+ is 132. It went above 150 three times (including a career-high 169 in the strike-shortened 1994 season). He didn't just hit singles - he drew walks, drove the ball hard for a lot of doubles, legged out triples, and stole bases (at about a 70% rate). He also had a good defensive reputation (though I don't really trust defensive stats from that era), so... I think, at worst, he'd be considered a 3.5 tool player.

  • @Publiclighthouse
    @Publiclighthouse 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +222

    So, it sounds like some of the problem lies with the organization who deploys Arraez in the lineup - he could be of more use to his team if he was hitting lower in the lineup. Also Arraez rarely steals bases as he has never reached double digits in any of his seasons. Perhaps if he worked in his conditioning speed, he could be more useful. The defense however, that’s completely in him to do extra work.

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Too many problems

    • @nickgavis0305
      @nickgavis0305 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      He’s not magically gonna be able to get that much faster no matter how much work he puts in

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Guys don't get faster after 27, they either stay the same or get slower.

    • @lb12thriverwarrior
      @lb12thriverwarrior 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Your right if he batted 7-9 and gave a extra base runner when league average says you get very little production out of those spots sounds better

    • @mxcokoko
      @mxcokoko 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      If I was a manager, Arraez would either be batting 5th/6th (to get guys on base home in a 1/2 out situation) or as a secondary leadoff man in the 9 slot. But his speed isn't going anywhere, and his defense likely isn't going to rise that much. He's a one trick pony.

  • @joeturner9692
    @joeturner9692 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +531

    It's called "empty batting average". Lots of singles, no power and no walks. Plus he plays the least important defensive position (poorly).

    • @decker528
      @decker528 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      He's not gonna walk as much when he actually makes contact on a regular basis. A lot of guys walk more because they don't put the ball in play and a singles hitter is still more fun to watch than some guy drawing walks

    • @sir.muffiniii7011
      @sir.muffiniii7011 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +79

      @@decker528Guerrero Jr hit like .320 last year and was in the 80th percentile in walk rate

    • @acason4
      @acason4 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      100%
      The prime example: Tony Gwynn.

    • @joeturner9692
      @joeturner9692 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

      ​@@decker528the goal of hitting is not just to make contact. It's to get on base.

    • @goughpsmythe4979
      @goughpsmythe4979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@decker528No, his bad walk rates are due to his ABHORRENT chase rate. He swings at a lot of bad pitches simply to go after hits. This leads to some singles, sure, but it also results in MANY outs in play that could have been avoided simply by learning to take a walk. If he even doubled his walk rate (which would still be below average), his value would skyrocket.

  • @stoddard1953
    @stoddard1953 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +100

    The issue with Arraez is he only hits singles - which are not valuable because they don't get a runner in scoring position unless there's already a man on base. Arraez isn't in that position too often because he's the lead-off man.

    • @joshuascott3428
      @joshuascott3428 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Rod Carew and ichiro also only hit singles it still were valuable look at there war

    • @oIRONITEo
      @oIRONITEo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      ​@@joshuascott3428Ichiro could run and steal bases. Arraez is like Big Papi out there on the base path

    • @joshuascott3428
      @joshuascott3428 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @ yes he could stretch singles by stealing

    • @Bathorypriest
      @Bathorypriest 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Neither does a walk

    • @yepdontcarebud
      @yepdontcarebud 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      ​@Bathorypriest and a single can score a runner from 2nd... can't remember a walk ever driving in a runner from 2nd...
      To say singles aren't valuable is just patented 2020's stupidity, and the reason the game has become so unwatchable.

  • @Cindoreye
    @Cindoreye 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +97

    I feel the next statistical revolution will come when player valuations are weighted. Right now, every at-bat is the same whether it be against a guy with an ERA of 8 in a regular season game or against a sub 2 ERA closer who strikes out 12 per 9 innings in the world series.
    I'd like to see what a hitter's numbers are against pitchers in the 80th percentile and above or 90th percentile and above. Maybe Arráez has can consistently barrel up weaker pitching to bolster his average. Maybe most of Judge's homeruns are against poorer pitchers in low leverage situations. I'm not saying either of these are true, but simply using them as examples.
    While a player rarely has enough of at-bats against one elite pitcher, the total number of at-bats against all elite pitchers adds up. For example, Tony Gwynn faced 18 Hall of Fame pitchers for a total of 541 plate appearances. That’s essentially a full season’s worth of plate appearances exclusively against Hall of Famers. Gwynn batted .331 in those at-bats. His career average was .338 against everyone.
    I'd like to see those types of numbers for many of the players in today's game.

    • @carlosm.6348
      @carlosm.6348 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      doesnt that kind of become a circular thing? You'd have to rate pitchers in a similar way and they would be rated based off the caliber of batter they face. That batter is rated off the pitchers they face... I could be wrong though lol. My brain is trying to get the logic in the problem I presented.

    • @MassBoost
      @MassBoost 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Ever heard of wOBA, Weighted On-Base Average? It was mentioned in this video.

    • @ColinGLogan
      @ColinGLogan 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      There's absolutely no way you're getting any signal out of a sample that small for any player over a reasonable period (Gwynn wasn't the same player for the 20 years it took him to rack up enough PAs to make up an okay sample size).
      Ability to hit hall of fame level pitchers better relative to average ones isn't actually valuable anyway. The playoffs have far more average pitchers than hall of famers in them, and racking up the runs against those average guys is the way you win the world series. I do think we should discount ABs against position players, but I'm sure teams already do that in their internal metrics.

    • @ericancion2442
      @ericancion2442 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      ​@carlosm.6348 Yeah, I totally agreed. It would become increasing circular and pointless.

    • @youhyunnam9426
      @youhyunnam9426 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      There was a fangraphs column on how batters fared against elite pitchers in 2023. And surprise, surprise, the best hitters did the best against the best pitchers. The drop in woba was about .050 across the board, and while there were a few exceptions, those were due sample size issues

  • @TinKnight
    @TinKnight 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I grew up just before advanced stats were a common thing, where even OBP was only talked about sparingly (for example, I only had one coach that talked about it, praising my absurdly high OBP compared to a comparatively low BA).
    But, whenever you had a really good contact guy with no pop & no speed, you always put him second in the lineup. Give him a chance to advance the leadoff runner, as well as to patiently await that runner trying to steal.
    Particularly since Arraez doesn't walk & thus doesn't meet the basic criteria of a leadoff hitter (get on base at any cost), & he doesn't strike out, that would give his team a so much better chance to succeed offensively by getting that leadoff better home as often as possible (whether through his contact alone or through the 3 & 4 hitters).

  • @bigjared8946
    @bigjared8946 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +84

    I realized punchless singles hitters who aren't very fast or very good on defense weren't really all that way back in the 80s, before it was cool.

    • @joemarshall4226
      @joemarshall4226 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Wade Boggs was like that, except he led the league in walks and OBP by a wide margin....he also hit a lot of doubles

    • @matherproductions9146
      @matherproductions9146 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      There is a place in the game for people who can plunk single after single… Gwynn, Ichiro, Rickey… but you have to have other skills, whether it be great plate discipline, or great fielding, or great speed. Luis arraez’s only real talent is his contact hitting. That’s why his value is so low.

    • @Garrett1240
      @Garrett1240 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@matherproductions9146 Back then, even just 15 years ago, league wide hits, contact, batting average and on base percentage were so much higher that it made sense to have a leadoff hitter who could only hit singles because everyone behind him would have a much better chance of moving him up the bases or sending him home. Nowadays not really.

    • @garydavis9361
      @garydavis9361 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Many teams thought that intuitively back then. Usually the Judy hitters were middle infielders and catchers, where defense is the priority. Corner infielders and outfielders usually had some pop.

    • @r4v4g3r
      @r4v4g3r 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And then you completely ignored your own conclusion to celebrate Ichiro for 15 years… then went back to your opinion to hate on Arraez. Cool.

  • @Brhoward31
    @Brhoward31 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    That thumb injury is absolutely painful. People act like it's nothing but when you have to hit fastballs it kills

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It really is. Granted I wasn’t facing professional pitching (also was a mid hitter anyway), injuring my catching thumb in middle school killed my hitting abilities until it healed. It also made tossing balls back to me on the mound (I was a pitcher, so hitting was always secondary) a little awkward let alone trying to field a ball from the mound.

  • @Darbobski
    @Darbobski 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +142

    Imagine putting Arraez into the 4 spot. Suddenly getting runners home from 2nd on a single becomes pretty valuable. It'd never happen, but it would make an interesting experiment.

    • @Biggballsdance
      @Biggballsdance 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But guys who strike out 100 plus times a year litter lineups

    • @artm0011
      @artm0011 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      That's what the padres should do. Max muncy with a low BA is the dodgers 4th 5th hitter cause he either hits walks or strikes out. U got 2/3 chance he will be on base

    • @N8R_Quizzie
      @N8R_Quizzie 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      We'll also a lot of GIDP's. Need a guy who gets doubles, triples, or can steal in front of him keep 1st open to either get out or get on while still moving the other runner.

    • @kpmdude9378
      @kpmdude9378 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      This is exactly what I think is being missed with Arraez's skillset. All those singles are less valuable than the walks someone with a higher OBP could generate...unless there's someone on base. I also think there is something to be said about how someone with such a high contact rate can take a pitcher out of their rhythm. A lineup should have some level of variety between plate approaches, or else the pitcher ends up being able to settle into a singular attack for each and every batter.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I wouldn't bat him 4th unless my team really sucked but for a team with a better than average lineup, he's an ideal 5-9 hitter. Maybe even 2 or 3.

  • @GlennJackson-d8e
    @GlennJackson-d8e 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I've been a proponent of Sabermetrics since the sixties. As a kid, I recognized that Eddie Yost was a really good leadoff hitter because he walked so much. I've watched Sabermetrics use become a big deal in MLB with some misgivings. The old saying, "a walk's as good as a hit" is certainly true when the bases are empty, but not when runners are on base. A great on base percentage is always good, but more valuable when the player is a good baserunner than the base cloggers. A strikeout may no longer be embarrassing to a player, but it doesn't advance a runner either. Sabermetrics is a great tool. Tools need to be used wisely and, I think, is misused by those who simply go by the numbers without understanding. You made a good case why a player with only a high batting average is not necessarily a valuable player.

    • @squirrelguy2195
      @squirrelguy2195 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Walking Man! I love looking at his Baseball Reference page.

  • @johnvaughan8239
    @johnvaughan8239 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I am usually a big believer and consumer of advanced stats and usually default to WAR and OPS as baseline stats for determining a player’s value. That being said, I do think it is a bit silly how prominent these stats have become and how unshakable our belief in them has become. Arraez is a perfect example. Some of the surface stats indicate he is a great player but WAR and OPS+ would disagree and everyone has hopped completely on the sabermetrics bandwagon and the perception is that Arraez has very minimal value. And maybe that really is the case. But isn’t it possible that, as good as those stats may be, they don’t PERFECTLY measure a player’s true value? Couldn’t they potentially be missing a key factor or couldn’t the distribution of influence across different stats be slightly off with some things being overvalued and others being undervalued? Or maybe those two stats do a great job at measuring the value of most players but not so great when analyzing a specific type of player? I just think it’s crazy that we have reached a point where we accept WAR and OPS+ as the end all be all and we don’t even consider that maybe the equations need to continue to be tweaked as more data is gathered to really be able to measure all types of players on an equal basis. And maybe they are perfect as they are and guys like Arraez truly aren’t very valuable players. I just think we should be open to the possibility that some of these advanced stats aren’t quite perfect yet and continue to look for ways to improve them rather than just accepting them as gospel.

  • @cheeseburger12
    @cheeseburger12 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    "Nerds" say it doesn't matter if a batter strikes out. However, "Nerds" also prefer strikeout pitchers over pitch to contact pitchers. If strikeouts matter to pitchers, then strikeouts matter to batters. Thats all I'm saying.

    • @TuMalditaMadre
      @TuMalditaMadre 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      No use arguing with SABRmetricians. Your comment makes total sense.

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      “Nerds” saying strikeouts don’t matter is what causes people to say Giancarlo Stanton is one of the most feared hitters during the regular season. Yeah, you have a very real chance of that guy putting a ball into orbit because even his singles often go to the wall, but he stays in the top 5 in strikeouts. He’s almost to the point during the regular season that he’s a guaranteed out, especially in a high leverage AB. It’s honestly comical when he comes to the plate in a high leverage AB and the commentators start glazing him, because he’s gonna shut them up by striking out 😂

    • @cheeseburger12
      @cheeseburger12 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@TuMalditaMadre Thier arguments make sense in isolation....but they can't both be true at the sane time!

    • @mariodegenzgz
      @mariodegenzgz 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@Engine33Truck Giancarlo Stanton has a career .994 OPS in the postseason lol

    • @brentroth5372
      @brentroth5372 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Imagine trying to discount the 'nerds' because you don't understand marginal utility. Comments like these arise out of a lack of mathematical maturity, a complete dismissal of context, or both.
      Strikeouts are okay if you hit for a bunch of power, because on average you can contribute more to run production if you have sufficiently enough power.

  • @baseballworldwide9439
    @baseballworldwide9439 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The problem is that so many are incapable of looking beyond the numbers to see the intangibles. I say this as a young fan, not some boomer yearning for the good ole days or whatever. Being able to make contact is valuable for reasons beyond just getting on base. For example, in a scenario in the bottom of the 9th with the tying run at 3rd and 2 outs, do you want a slugger who hits .220 at the plate and strikes out a lot? Or do you want a guy like arraez? Is there a stat for that? It’s also good for the game from an entertainment perspective to have guys that put the ball in play a lot compared to striking out multiple times a night. It makes for a more exciting game, and I’d love for someone to challenge this assertion. It’s self-evident. I can keep going if anyone is interested, but I’m assuming nobody is going to read this since the video is a few days old now

    • @BlueBremner
      @BlueBremner 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A singles hitter who can't run or field well would need to have off the charts intangibles to be entertaining to most people

    • @eddief9254
      @eddief9254 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He can play 1st base reasonably, he's a solid player who excels in putting the ball in play. He's great to watch, he makes a team better no doubt.

    • @BlueBremner
      @BlueBremner 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I’ve been watching baseball since the early 90s and even pre-sabremetrics 1st base was known as the place to hide your slow, iron gloved power-hitters . At least Arraez ticks 2 of those boxes

    • @eddief9254
      @eddief9254 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BlueBremner not all 9 hitters have to be HR hitters.

  • @CompletelyNormal
    @CompletelyNormal 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

    It's always interesting to look at the stats and see that someone like Cal Raleigh (with a .220 batting average and 176 strikeouts) was a better hitter than the batting champ.
    Also, on a different note, another fun unexpectedly-bad season to take a look at is 2017 Roughned Odor, who somehow managed to put up negative value by both fWAR and bWAR despite hitting 30 home runs and playing solid second base.

    • @goughpsmythe4979
      @goughpsmythe4979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      2017 Rougned Odor, the greatest player of all time

    • @bricecate
      @bricecate 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      If the mariners had luis ahead of cal in their lineup. We could be having a different conversation. Having a body on base helps hitters get rbis

    • @Loganmg27
      @Loganmg27 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Julio, Robles and Randy in front of Cal was working pretty damn well to end 2024, idk man. I also don’t trust a hitter with Arraez’s profile to perform as well at T-Mobile Park

    • @peterparker-zy9oe
      @peterparker-zy9oe 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      you have to also consider the fact that Raleigh plays in the pitching equivalent of Coors Field

    • @Jrseydevil
      @Jrseydevil 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because WAR and FWAR don’t actually mean anything. Anyone who thinks they’re real or important are as usefull to society as a Hunter Biden laptop.

  • @tubbyidk1474
    @tubbyidk1474 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    quite simple - all singles, no ISO, no Walks, no steals, no defense.

  • @Garrett1240
    @Garrett1240 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    He's by far the best at making contact in the league as evidenced by his only 29 strikeouts in 672 plate appearances. He may have issues but it's a far better problem to have than someone who can't make contact. I think he can learn to not swing and make contact with every pitch and instead work some walks and drive more hits deep.

    • @Riley.a_Music
      @Riley.a_Music 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Exactly he can’t defend or hit for any sort of power. He doesn’t even get on base he isn’t worth the money he’ll get

    • @noahmets
      @noahmets 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      The issue is more his defense. Even with lack of power and walks he’s an above average hitter, but he’s dreadful defensively

    • @scotthersey4380
      @scotthersey4380 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's true ... but this entire video helps explain why contact, in itself, just isn't enough. Arráez is CERTAINLY not a lost cause, but to be valuable he needs to augment his contact rates with decent defense, patience, extra bases, etc.

    • @MassBoost
      @MassBoost 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@noahmets If Arraez even just walked at an league average rate, his OBP would go from .346 to a .370 OBP. His walk rate is just so terrible, that almost 97% of the league walks more than he does. Isaac Paredes only hit .238, while getting on base at the same rate, while being more productive offensively overall.

    • @nacoran
      @nacoran 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      If you are batting with no one on walks are better than singles. They force the pitcher to throw more pitches, which wears them out sooner, and lets your team see what they've got. When someone is on, particularly if they are in scoring position, then putting the ball in play can lead to better outcomes (at least if you stay out of double plays).
      If you can hit for really good contact but don't have power you should be focusing on OBP every time you are up with no one on. The fact that he has good contact means he should actually go deeper in counts. Trade 50 strikeouts for 30 walks in those situations. Hit for contact when runners are on.

  • @choreomaniac
    @choreomaniac 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    6:45 Bartolo Colon striking out so hard he spins out from under his helmet. I loved watching that guy. His home run was one of the highlights of my baseball watching life.

  • @Grillinnap
    @Grillinnap 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +109

    .346 OBP on a .314 AVG is just pitiful

    • @Grillinnap
      @Grillinnap 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @ Usually .300 hitters have an OBP of 60 points higher than their average. That means Arraez’s OBP is extremely reliant on his average.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Yep. For a little context, Chipper Jones had a career .303 avg. His OBP for his career was .401. OBP should always be at least 60 points higher than your average, preferably 90-100 points.

    • @Garrett1240
      @Garrett1240 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@wingracer1614 That's not comparing apples to apples. Jones was an all-around hitter who hit cleanup. A better comparison would be Jeter who had numerous seasons with an OBP above .400 and many more above .380 which is fantastic. Other comparisons should probably be made with Kenny Lofton or Tim Raines, who were both miles better than Arraez, not the least of which because they added value with not only hitting, but on the base paths and with the glove.

    • @greatloverofmusic1
      @greatloverofmusic1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@Garrett1240 Actually there are very few players comparable to Arreaz. He doesn't profile as any one thing well. I mean guys like Gwynn and Carew had other ways they helped the team. I mean a singles hitting DH without baserunning value is, well, odd.

    • @Garrett1240
      @Garrett1240 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@greatloverofmusic1 I just mean guys who had long careers batting lead off and had little, or in jeter’s case, average at best power. You’re right. No one compares great with Arraez.

  • @mrmisterMJ
    @mrmisterMJ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    BA is stepped in tradition and history. There's a certain ring to "batting champ" or "hitting king" or so we were brainwashed until sabermetrics/analytics changed how we value players.
    Tony Gwynn was an 8-time batting champ - and led the NL in OBP once. Joey Votto never won a batting title but led the league in OBP seven times, which is the same # as Ty Cobb and 1 more than Stan Musial. Even though Gywnn has a 44 point advantage in career BA (.338 vs. .294), many would argue that Votto was more valuable at the plate than Gwynn. A part of me still latches on to old-school metrics but I think this is true.

  • @paraminderdhanota9810
    @paraminderdhanota9810 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Seeing a ton of pitches and getting on base is super valuable because it allows teammates dissect the pitchers and drive in runs.

    • @eliotjurgensen1421
      @eliotjurgensen1421 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Dissecting the pitcher is done with film and data before the game, not during.

  • @JazzYachtrocker
    @JazzYachtrocker 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    So essentially he can only hit singles, can’t steal, can’t play D, no xtra basehits, doesn’t walk.
    Carew also won an MVP btw

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Carew’s overrated and wouldn’t be a star in today’s MLB

    • @stevendeckert6373
      @stevendeckert6373 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@TiagoGomez-hb9te He most definitely would be a star-if you use stats like WAR and OPS+ like the video mentioned he should've actually won three MVP's instead of one. His career OPS+ was 131, meaning he was 31 percent better than the league avg. hitter throughout his whole career.

    • @squirrelguy2195
      @squirrelguy2195 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@stevendeckert6373 Carew also posted multiple seasons with an OPS+ of 150 or better including a career best OPS+ of 178 in 1977, a single season campaign that doesn't get brought up as much as it really should.

  • @zhaoluyue1995
    @zhaoluyue1995 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    46 RBI. There is your culprit. A lead off man with no one on base, only being able to hit single, is no threat at all. The worst result is man on first, then you go to the real deal. The question is how to use him.

    • @EM-cz4rd
      @EM-cz4rd 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      No power, not a high OBP, a liability on defense. Either way I'd stick him like 7th. He's a free agent after 2025. We'll find out how teams value his skillset.

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@EM-cz4rd OBA, OBP and OPS/OPS+ have always been more important than BA. 1 BB gain significance. Late Rickey Henderson leads in most unintentional BB. Fellow Bay Area OF Barry Bonds is the career leader in overall BB. 2 As for HBP, Craig Biggio is the leader for the modern era (1901 to today). All of these men except Bonds is in the Hall of Fame and got 3,000+ hits. Right behind Biggio is the late Don Baylor, not in the Hall of Fame, and fell short of 3,000 hits. BA and OBA focus on frequency. SLG focuses on quality of hits. Production average or OPS combine both frequency and quality.

  • @stoneymcneal2458
    @stoneymcneal2458 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    As an old school aficionado of baseball, this break down destroys everything I believed about the value of a player. Fact is, this analysis makes a lot of sense. If Arraez were a better fielder, would it move the needle much in terms of his value?

    • @greatnessdelton1381
      @greatnessdelton1381 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Probably. He was a 4-5 WAR player in 2022 and 2023.
      0-1 WAR is generally considered bench player/below average everyday player
      2 WAR is considered an everyday player
      3 WAR is an above average-good player
      4-5 WAR is an all-star caliber player, among the best players among your position
      6+ WAR is an MVP-caliber type season
      10+ WAR is a historic season
      That's when he was hitting .340-.350 while playing 2B, though. Moving to 1B/DH is a WAR killer. It's twofold for him because not only are those positions you need power to be valuable, they get penalized because they provide no defensive value. Oh, and then he hit, by his standards, a relatively pedestrian .314.

    • @stoneymcneal2458
      @stoneymcneal2458 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @ Your explanation makes a lot of sense. Given this newer set of baseball metrics is so different than what I learned as a kid, I appreciate explanations like yours. Thanks 👍

    • @noahmets
      @noahmets 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      The video focuses a bit too much on his offense and not enough on his fielding. His fielding being awful is the main reason why his WAR was so slow. Advanced metrics still show him as a slightly above average hitter.

    • @Jrseydevil
      @Jrseydevil 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@greatnessdelton1381no. War doesn’t mean anything. Stop lying to people. A war of 1 means that some nerd tricked you into believing that a stat with multiple ways of calculating it actually matters. My god enough already.

    • @greatnessdelton1381
      @greatnessdelton1381 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Jrseydevil 0/10 attention bid, try again. 👍

  • @trevorstine8647
    @trevorstine8647 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Interesting video. There are some good arguments in here for the value of certain stats over others. Here's the X factor which Xander was partially describing though, which WAR doesn't capture: Improved hitting psychology of the hitters following him. The year before Soto led off many times, because he walks so much. Watching someone walk in front of a batter doesn't do as much as watching the guy in front of you hit a solid line drive over the SS's head. Also, Arraez had many extremely clutch hits for us last season which we desperately lacked the year before with Soto in the lineup. The Padres lost a ton of 1 run games due to a lack of those important hits which were provided by guys like Arraez, Profar, Solano, Peralta and Merrill, all of who saw Arraez coming though with consistent hits. Just my opinion, but I truly noticed a difference watching almos all of the games last year compared to the season with Soto.

  • @qwerty52676
    @qwerty52676 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Basically any player with a surprisingly high war (bobby grich, sal bando, toby harrah, brett gardner, etc) has a very high obp and very good defense. The opposite is also true. Guys like joe carter, ryan howard, bill buckner, dante bichette, etc fit the opposite category and their wars are a lot lower than you would think

  • @Legal_Savant
    @Legal_Savant 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    There were 4 or 5 batters from the Padres that I was more afraid to see hit than Arraez. Tati, Manny, Higgy, Jackson, and Profar. I'm a baseball purest, so I enjoy the contact aspect that he brings to the game and it's refreshing. However, I can guarantee you, most teams aren't worried about him unless there are RISP, so this explanation makes a lot of sense. - He's below average at everything else.

    • @Ff-gl1nb
      @Ff-gl1nb 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Interesting. Do you think the padres are using him incorrectly in the batting lineup? I’m a NY fan and I never understand why we can’t get guy like that. Someone that basically always gets on base.

    • @Legal_Savant
      @Legal_Savant 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @Ff-gl1nb I mean theoretically if you put him at 3rd or 4th, he'll probably drive in 130 runs, so maybe. It would just be weird seeing your cleanup hitter being a non power guy, but the name of the game is to score runs. So it might look different, but if it works nobody would care.

    • @Ff-gl1nb
      @Ff-gl1nb 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Legal_Savant thanks for your perspective. I have been meaning to ask the padre fans in the bleacher report community page. In the New York community page people are always saying to find a way to get him and there are a handful of people who say no because he has no power, trash on defense, etc etc but batting tittles are hard to get in the majors. Tricky player to understand for sure especially since I have never watched him play just seen his stats (BA for example) and I’m assuming he’s really good

    • @Legal_Savant
      @Legal_Savant 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Ff-gl1nb Since he's in our division, he's definitely annoying to face that many times per season. Most of the time he'll just drive up pitch counts. Our announcer use to pitch against Tony Gywnn and he stated that the best way to pitch against Arraez is to just throw it right down the middle and allow him to get himself out. 🤣

    • @Ff-gl1nb
      @Ff-gl1nb 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ 😂😂

  • @cantrell0817
    @cantrell0817 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Before the analytics era, everybody knew BA wasn't everything. Extra base hits, stolen bases and defense mattered.

  • @flipsolo
    @flipsolo 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Even before I heard of SABRmetrics, I've always suspect the batting avgs is often overvalued. Its about getting on base.

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This is true

    • @TheCybercoco
      @TheCybercoco 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The problem with people is that they think in absolutes with little nuance at all.

  • @Blubbluh
    @Blubbluh 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    this is another stats argument without watching the game. Watched every padres game last two years. Singles are massively underrated, if you put the ball in play anything can happen.

  • @elchancho8432
    @elchancho8432 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    He would be more valuable if he stole bases
    If he reeked havoc on the base paths now that would be a lot different
    However he doesn’t cause he isn’t fast lol

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Or wasn’t a bad ball hitter and had high OBP and played stellar defense…

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or hit over 350 like he did in 23

    • @ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo
      @ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      If he played decent 3rd or SS he'd be making 400M. But hes not so here we are.

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lack of speed can be overlooked by two things: hitting power and excellent defense. Unfortunately he has neither. While stats overlook the fact that singles do often advance runners and make home runs do more damage, his lack of speed really hurts any inside the park hits made by players after him. Because you know he ain’t doing anything other than advance bases at best, creating double plays or FCs at worst.

    • @bloodwrage
      @bloodwrage 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      wreaked, not reeked, unless you want him to use less deodorant

  • @bigpictureguys8415
    @bigpictureguys8415 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yankee fans love to hate on Gleyber Torres but he’s very comparable to Arraez but he’s a better overall player than Arraez.
    Controls the zone, walks, hits XBH’s

  • @RIP_Greedo
    @RIP_Greedo 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I was never sold on Arraez. He's a 1-tool player. Unmatched bat-to-ball skills but zero slug, zero speed and poor fielding. A 5 tool player is a rare gem and we don't expect many players to be one. But having 3 tools seems like a reasonable ask for a major league player. The second he slows down even a little bit (age comes for us all) he will be out of the majors. Advanced metrics really won't be kind to him if he keeps up this type of performance from the first base position, where his lack of slugging REALLY sticks out.

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      OBA, OBP and OPS/OPS+ have always been more important than BA. 1 BB gain significance. Late Rickey Henderson leads in most unintentional BB. Fellow Bay Area OF Barry Bonds is the career leader in overall BB. 2 As for HBP, Craig Biggio is the leader for the modern era (1901 to today). All of these men except Bonds is in the Hall of Fame and got 3,000+ hits. Right behind Biggio is the late Don Baylor, not in the Hall of Fame, and fell short of 3,000 hits. BA and OBA focus on frequency. SLG focuses on quality of hits. Production average or OPS combine both frequency and quality.

    • @vernpascal1531
      @vernpascal1531 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I don't over analyze it. if you score a 100 runs you've done your job, or drive in a 100 the same. Schwarber had a better year hitting .197 than Arraez hitting. 350. He did both the aforementioned. Arraez, has never come close to scoring a 100 runs.

  • @pukulu
    @pukulu 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's still not generally understood that singles hitters who don't walk much are better placed in the lineup so that they come up to bat with men on base. Singles hitters who don't walk much are simply not that effective as leadoff batters. With nobody on base, a single is no better than a walk. That's obvious but still not generally understood.

  • @sethboyd9877
    @sethboyd9877 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    hitting for .300 + average is still impressive asf

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Especially for today’s game but that’s not enough anymore

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It really is when league batting average is around .250, but it doesn’t quite matter if he can’t really do anything once he gets on base. Hitting a single as leadoff doesn’t do much towards winning if he has no ability to steal, too slow to do anything other than advance bases when players behind him get a hit, and definitely doesn’t if the bottom of the order isn’t fast enough to score from 1st or 2nd on a single.

    • @TheCybercoco
      @TheCybercoco 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Engine33Truck Trick is to use him when runners are on base. His value skyrockets when you do that. Arraez exposes the issues with the Padres. It's poor management.

    • @flowingafterglow629
      @flowingafterglow629 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But the goal is not to impress, it's to win games. And so the question is, how much does it contribute to winning games?

  • @MisterVicky9
    @MisterVicky9 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Feel like you're being incredibly disingenuous here. last year was obviously a down year for arraez. He was a 4 war second baseman in 22 and 23. And if you put those batting runs at dh, you're still getting a 2 war player. He's not a superstar sure. But he's still an average-above average player accounting for defense and base running. 2024 isn't Representative of what Arraez's bat actually is

  • @SkiLLz1986
    @SkiLLz1986 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    It’s more that he’s just a singles hitter and that’s it. Has no speed, not a + defender. He literally has only one tool. Also doesn’t help that he can only play 1st base adequately.

    • @Garrett1240
      @Garrett1240 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      He's actually an exceptionally poor fielder and is incapable of swiping bags.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      All of that is true but would be perfectly fine if he hit .350. .314 doesn't cut it unless you bring something else to the table.

    • @squirrelguy2195
      @squirrelguy2195 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Sounds like Bill Buckner, though Bucky did have some gap power.

    • @EM-cz4rd
      @EM-cz4rd 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's so bad defensively that he should be a DH. But you can't have a DH with no power. He's really in an interesting spot. He's a free agent after this coming season. We'll learn how teams actually value him.

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I like Arraez, but as a position player he’s basically Giancarlo Stanton without the hitting power. Someone whose defensive abilities are at best mediocre, at worst a liability.

  • @jeanpayano1506
    @jeanpayano1506 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Because Arraez should be a cleanup Hitter think about it, his skillset is the fact he can make contact and get hits, the difference between a walk and a hit is that with a walk you wont move a guy from 2nd to home while with a single you will, so. Instead of putting Araez at the top of the lineup put him at clean up and you will see his numbers elevate

  • @synrsmok
    @synrsmok 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Come on man, 2024 was the worst year of his career and you only show those numbers until the end. 4.9 bWAR in 2023 and 4.2 in 2022.

  • @Bigginz85
    @Bigginz85 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If a hitter like him actually had speed to steal, you can get him to second to start every game. That’s where the money is with the new rules and bases. Ohtani did it a lot.

  • @SoSickRick
    @SoSickRick 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    1:04 so these guys are why most fans hate modern baseball?

  • @puplife9651
    @puplife9651 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you content creator for your work on breaking down the metrics a little. I never asked anyone about understanding how the “newer” system worked. I took a break on baseball and sports in general since the turn of the century. I enjoy being involved with fantasy baseball and reading statistics, however they were still the old style of statistics that I looked for. On my paper route in the 80’s all I did was read the box scores as I delivered the paper in my neighborhood.

  • @myplane150
    @myplane150 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    If .314 is enough to get you a batting championship, the game is broken (IMO). I honestly would take doubles and triples over home runs every day of the week but, yes, I am old school. I really don't care for the shift to power...☺
    A guy like Arraez needs a second tool really bad. The best for a singles hitter is speed and stolen bases. Turn that single into a double and you are a huge contributor. Ex; Ichiro and Gwynn are Hall of Famers because of this (and other reasons for sure).

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It happens. One of Gwynn's batting titles he only hit .313. Chipper Jones won an MVP without leading the league in anything. Years later he won a batting title, had statistically an even better year than his MVP season, he finished 12th in MVP voting. Baseball is funny like that.

    • @greatnessdelton1381
      @greatnessdelton1381 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@wingracer1614The issue is that .300 hitters are becoming a dying breed, and unless something drastic happens, will eventually be gone.
      29 players hit over .300 in 2012.
      23 players hit over .300 in 2017.
      17 players hit over .300 in 2019.
      14 in 2021.
      12 in 2022.
      11 in 2023.
      NINE in 2024.

    • @peterparker-zy9oe
      @peterparker-zy9oe 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@greatnessdelton1381 It's a combination of more guys hitting for power and league wide drop in offense due to better pitching and bullpen management than ever before

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatnessdelton1381 It sucks that contact hitters are *dying* in MLB and pitching is also made way too OP with the mound and obvious illegal substances MLB’s allowing for pitchers to use. I don’t want MLB to end up like the NBA to where both sides of Offense and Defense are way too extreme…

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@greatnessdelton1381 I’m so sad. I miss Extreme Contact Beasts so badly. MLB’s too extreme in both offense and defense…

  • @brianontiveros-kersch2412
    @brianontiveros-kersch2412 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You named players on the Padres "stacked offense" and chose CRONENWORTH over TATIS?

  • @gabrielv.2647
    @gabrielv.2647 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Its a damn shame someone hitting in the high 300's 315-320-325 and up is considered ehhh okay, or least valuable, a high batting avg, usually means a high OBP, But the guy hitting 220 with 35 homers and 100 plus rbis, with a ton of double plays and a 200 strike out season, is valued more, not for me but thats sums ups todays game sadly

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is a shame. Because having such a high average doesn’t mean crap if you can’t do more than just stand there once you get on base. All these stats do overlook the fact that hitting a single more often than not does mean runners advance, it also does mean any hit made after can be an RBI. But it’s hard to turn any hit inside the park into an RBI if you’re slower than Giancarlo Stanton 😂

    • @flowingafterglow629
      @flowingafterglow629 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "usually means a high OBP"
      Except when it doesn't.
      And your guy hitting 220 with 35 homers and 200 strike outs (by the way, how is he hitting into so many double plays if he strikes out that much), how often does he get on base?
      We can know how many walks a guy gets, so we don't have to assume. If your guy hitting 320 doesn't walk and has an OBP of 350, and your guy hitting 220 also walks a ton, and has an OBP of 375, um, yeah, why wouldn't that be more valuable?
      What's the value of a high batting average? Well, it correlates well with the ability to get on base. But we have a way to measure how well someone gets on base, so why not just use that?
      So again, what's the value of batting average?

    • @gabrielv.2647
      @gabrielv.2647 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @flowingafterglow629 what are you talking about? Have you ever heard of pete Alonso? Stanton? Muncy? Schwarber? As I'm sure there is a ton more but off the top off my head all those 4 guys are low avg hitters, low 200-250, they hit a ton of homers, and strike out alot, how do you walk alot when your hitting 220??? The higher avg usually means a better eye at the plate, great discipline, or else you wouldn't be hitting in the low 200's.
      As for the guy hitting 300 and up, who cares if he doesn't walk a ton? He is hitting 300 or better which means he still has a great eye at the plate and discipline with a high OBP because the better the avg the higher chance you have of getting on base, or else you wouldn't be getting a ton of hits hitting 320-330.

    • @gabrielv.2647
      @gabrielv.2647 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @flowingafterglow629 The value of batting avg is if I have a guy in scoring position hypothetically speaking and my hitter who is hitting 300 or better, I have a stronger chance of scoring that run and driving him in, a single, a double, I'm up 1-0 and so. Is why I'm a big fan and love a lead off hitter, hitting in the high 270-300 or better because he will get on base, now of I have guy deeper in the lineup with a great batting avg and can drive in runs and hit homers, like a Freddie Freeman or Aron Judge then my chances of scoring a ton of runs go up. That's what a high batting avg gets you, I get it though there is power hitters and just spray hitters who use the whole field, that's what is wrong with this game at the moment, a ton of homers, low batting avg, ton of strike outs. That's what this game has become sadly, another point the shifting rule, they didn't have to do that, if they weren't teaching hitters to pull the ball and only use one side of the field, but instead of the whole field you wouldn't need to shift to begin with, another example, we all have our preference but that's just me

    • @flowingafterglow629
      @flowingafterglow629 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gabrielv.2647 "Is why I'm a big fan and love a lead off hitter, hitting in the high 270-300 or better because he will get on base,"
      If you want to know how well the guy gets on base, look at his OBP. Because while BA might correlate with OBP, what you care about is OBP.

  • @davidcole1475
    @davidcole1475 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Singles are valuable for a lead off hitter if they can steal second, putting them in scoring position. If they are bad runners than of course extra base hits are going to be far more productive.

  • @RSanchez111
    @RSanchez111 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    It's the consequence of moneyball min-maxing

  • @dennissvitak5475
    @dennissvitak5475 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Arraez has a four percent walk rate. One walk every 25 plate appearances. Not good.

  • @jasonic-ks2tm
    @jasonic-ks2tm 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Although very impressive, kinda boils down 2 the fact he's just a singles hitter without much other value.

    • @tylerp9414
      @tylerp9414 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If he played good defense he would be so much better tho

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Singles hitters have a lot of value, when they hit .350. .314, not so much. Kinda like Schwarber is only a HR hitter. When he hits 40 of them, he's valuable. If he only hits 28, that would still be way more than average but not worth much when he brings nothing else to the table.

  • @matthicksxx
    @matthicksxx 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That may be, but I still really like Arráez. Like you said at the end, he seems like a good guy, one who would be good to have around the clubhouse

  • @FTLnovaKid
    @FTLnovaKid 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Luis is an incredible one tool player and very fun to watch. And I love him (Twins fan) and always will. But I get into way too many arguments/debates with people that don’t understand he’s not that valuable. Why they don’t realize there is a reason he can’t find a forever team is beyond me.

    • @EM-cz4rd
      @EM-cz4rd 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In his defense, he's been traded. Not his choice. However, after the 2025 season he's a free agent. Then we'll know exactly what teams are willing to pay for his skillset.

    • @TheCybercoco
      @TheCybercoco 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Only because he's not used correctly. If he were used correctly, you'd see him as more of a valuable player. He should be set up to hit runners in, not so much to be a runner himself.

  • @philb.1502
    @philb.1502 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Raez is a high average singles hitter who doesn't walk and has no power. He has no speed either. His on base % isn't great. His value is that he's a great contact hitter who rarely strikes out.

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which is valuable, don’t get me wrong, but the value is diminished by his lack of base running abilities. Yes, if done right, that consistent single advances a runner to second. It forces the fielding team to play defense, and can be a good RBI generator. But it really needs to be assisted by the ability to steal bases or advance from first to third (or score) on any hit made after you.

  • @kristenangier9673
    @kristenangier9673 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    He needs to be a 2 hole hitter. Tony Gwynn was a same style hitter and was primarily used 2nd in the batting order his entire career.

    • @Garrett1240
      @Garrett1240 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Gwynn could hit more extra base hits.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Garrett1240 Not by much. Arraez had 32 doubles last year. The most Tony ever hit was 49 but most years he was right in that 29-35 range that Arraez is in. The difference is, Tony got on base more.

    • @Garrett1240
      @Garrett1240 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@wingracer1614 Tony could also hit more triples and homers by a little. A lot of those seasons by Tony he was playing in fewer games so you have to take into account what number of extra base hits he'd have were he to have 672 plate appearances or 150 games like Arraez did this year.

    • @GZuraman
      @GZuraman 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It depends on the whole line up he's going to be in. He could be first in the NYY, second or third in many other teams, but useful anywhere.

    • @cococock2418
      @cococock2418 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Kyle Schwarber bats leadoff and look at his numbers. You are literally coping. Saying "he rarely has runners on base" is also a delusional take because it only looks at the first inning of a game. What about the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th time he comes up? Don't you think if it was a simple as "let's drop this guy to 4th and all of a sudden he'd go from 1.0 war to 8.0 war", they would do that?

  • @MCastleberry1980
    @MCastleberry1980 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I get it, but I think Musgrove has a point abot how guys like Arraez grind out at bats, that approach does help the team because they're seeing more pitches early on. I honestly think the obsession with "3 true outcomes" is a bit of a problem. Any time you put the ball in play, there's a chance for something to happen.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Except that isn't true. Arraez was bottom 15 last year in pitches seen per plate appearance. Guys that walk and strike out a lot see way more pitches.

    • @nateeckman9633
      @nateeckman9633 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wingracer1614that’s why a guy like Steven Kwan on my Guardians is way more valuable. He sees way more pitches, hits around the same average with more pop, and plays gold glove left field .

  • @TheHappyWhale
    @TheHappyWhale 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Arraez is the definition of a one tool player. Not necessarily a bad thing because excelling at one tool is usually good enough to be a major leaguer, but that is why I would never consider him to be particularly valuable despite his high average.

  • @douggoldwater1734
    @douggoldwater1734 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That’s the glass half empty way to look at it, the glass half full is that a guy can be slow, relatively unathelfic and not that strong but hone one elite skill and carve out a role as an every day MLB player

  • @yankee2858
    @yankee2858 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Arraez hits singles and does nothing else. He’s a terrible base runner so he clogs up the bases. He can’t play defense so he’s put at 1st or dh, positions you want power from. He doesn’t even walk or work at bats. He doesn’t “play his role” he’s insanely overrated

  • @andrewkim7700
    @andrewkim7700 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The main reason is, it’s easy to hit a ball if you know where it’s going every time. It’s completely different if an elite pitcher is throwing it at you.

  • @KaliPacKobain
    @KaliPacKobain 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    Bro is definitely a singles merchant. But he isn’t a bum. Plus he plays with machado and tatis . Doesn’t need to be a power hitter . The guy knows his role.

    • @franciscoverjan7397
      @franciscoverjan7397 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Cope

    • @artm0011
      @artm0011 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      U didn't hear anything they said did u. He would be more valuable at 3rd or 4th in the line up cause him getting a single does nothing if the power hitters are striking out.

    • @BurntPenguin8371
      @BurntPenguin8371 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      He never walks. His OBP isn’t special, despite his high batting average. Even if you take ALL of Kyle Schwarber’s extra base hits and turn them into singles, you would still be better off having Kyle Schwarber in his spot, since he gets on base more often. The idea that a single is more valuable than a walk (especially in the leadoff spot) is what makes idiots think this guy is a good player.

    • @Daratirek
      @Daratirek 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@BurntPenguin8371 Honestly by the stats he is not valuable but his teammates and fans LOVE this guy. Me included. He is an absolute gem in the club house and every team hes been on has loved him. Theres not stats for that. Plus while this year he was down on virtually everything, he could easily bounce back to previous levels of walks and xbhs. No he'll never hit even 15 homers a year and likely only 10 in rare years but putting the ball into the field of play where anything can happen is better than a walk. I'd bet my boy Arraez has a much better year this year and wins another batting title. He won't ever win a MVP but he's gonna be annoying pitchers for a long freaking time.

    • @5wiftNinja387
      @5wiftNinja387 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@BurntPenguin8371 A single IS more valuable than a walk if there are runners already on base. The problem is that he rarely has runners already on base since he bats leadoff. If he could hit like he does AND walk a lot, or if he stole a ton of bases, then he would be a great leadoff hitter, but as it is he'd probably be more valuable to his team batting in the middle of the lineup to advance runners who are already on and drive in runs from scoring position.

  • @johnreesekl6249
    @johnreesekl6249 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Math doesn't lie. A bunch of singles, no walks, no power, no speed, and bad defense. I mean, unless he's swatting .400+, it's plain to see in this day and age, it's not good enough. But, that he has been on three different teams while "raking" shows enough of what his teams think of him--the brass anyway. I hope him the best, hope he learns to take a couple more walks, and can hack a few more doubles, and he will look better.

  • @Graysonmoller
    @Graysonmoller 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    What no one seems to understand is he changed the padres as a team. He brought a different mentality. They went from one of the most struck out teams in the mlb In 2023 to the least struck out team in 2024. The padres hit less solo home runs and started putting together big innings with better at bats battling at the plate and 2 out clutch hits. His energy is unmatched. Positive guy that plays with his heart.

    • @parkercrossland410
      @parkercrossland410 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      "Clutch" is not controllable and fluctuates from year to year. Better hitters average out as being more clutch across a large enough sample size simply because they are better hitters. I like Arraez. But a team of 9 of him is probably not going to be a good offense.

    • @hornetguy9063
      @hornetguy9063 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@parkercrossland410to be fair, an offense with an OPS+ of 106 is actually going to be pretty good.
      But yeah, stuff like what OP said here is made up nonsense, IMO. I remember back when people said the same stuff about Ryan Howard, who was basically the opposite player, but that he brought “clutch” and “mentality”. Basically unquantifiable words that sound good and will never be refuted by a team having success, because why would they reject positive media attention? It ended up destroying the Phillies when they rushed to give him a massive contract and he proceeded to collapse.
      The numbers just don’t lie. We can see the outcomes of Arraez’s plate appearances and it’s not great. I doubt seeing someone spray grounders in front of him is inspiring manny machado to perform, for example.

    • @EM-cz4rd
      @EM-cz4rd 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They scored 8 more runs in 2024 compared to 2023. So the end result was unchanged.

    • @BlueBremner
      @BlueBremner 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      as a supporter of a rival team I'd much rather see Arraez come up to bat in late innings of a close game than many, many other hitters with power, on base or base running skills

  • @plandrew5423
    @plandrew5423 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    your short form videos are great and these longer analysis videos are excellent as well. you're makin some really good videos man

  • @NoaEvans-r1d
    @NoaEvans-r1d 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    The two comments other then mine are so weird

    • @AlejandroChristlieb
      @AlejandroChristlieb 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They’re bots

    • @NoaEvans-r1d
      @NoaEvans-r1d 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Ik im fine with the usual supportive type bots but these I can’t stand

    • @AlejandroChristlieb
      @AlejandroChristlieb 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@NoaEvans-r1dme neither

  • @zachleary108
    @zachleary108 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    From an offensive only POV, if you're going to be that kind of hitter AND you're in the lead off spot then you have to create havoc on the base paths. Take 2015 Dee Gordon, similar hitting numbers BUT he stole 58 bases and was always a threat to do so. Thus his OPS+ was 116. I'd rather have '15 Gordon than '25 Arraez on my team any day. One tool player is not enough of a threat. Imagine if Arraez averaged 30 SBs a year (he only has 20 all time!!) would we still be having this conversation? Maybe, but I dunno. The one thing I will say in his defense is like the Musgrove quote in this video - wearing down pitchers and getting pitch counts up in todays game matters.

  • @cmk921
    @cmk921 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    He’s the poster child for why batting average is a terrible primary stat to rate hitters by.

  • @XJapanGonnaGiveItToYa-cd4xj
    @XJapanGonnaGiveItToYa-cd4xj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The video for some reason doesn't mention that Luis played hurt last year, or the fact that he was worth almost 5 WAR the two years before.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except the video does mention those things. Quite a bit actually.

    • @XJapanGonnaGiveItToYa-cd4xj
      @XJapanGonnaGiveItToYa-cd4xj 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wingracer1614 Not in the first 10 minutes before I stopped watching

  • @aaron_luke96
    @aaron_luke96 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Hes a player lost in time, 15 years ago he would have been a star player but we don't care much about average anymore. Plus, you add on shitty defense and you get and underwhelming 300 plus hitter.

    • @Daratirek
      @Daratirek 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hes generally a better defender than he had showed this season. He will do the work this off season and bounce back to being useful. Hes still amazing.

    • @goughpsmythe4979
      @goughpsmythe4979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@DaratirekNot really. He has always been a poor defender.

    • @Daratirek
      @Daratirek 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @goughpsmythe4979 he's always been average. Like the vid said he was a neutral defender the last few years. That's much better than a negative one like he was this year. If he's neutral again it will at least not be a detriment having him out there

    • @goughpsmythe4979
      @goughpsmythe4979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@DaratirekTell that to his -14 OAA in 2023, which was even worse than what it was this past year.

  • @burningphoneix
    @burningphoneix 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You forgot to mention Rod Carew played 2B most years when he accumulated those high WARs, a position that historically wasn't the most productive offensively so it contributed to his WAR totals.

  • @mikemcavoy7097
    @mikemcavoy7097 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    What advanced analytics don't take into account is that by making contact you move runners and force the defense to field the ball. Quite frequently, an error by the opposing team is often the difference in the game. Take the Giants of last year for example. They struck out more than any other team. They struck out more than any other team with RISP in all of baseball. This resulted in them being the worst team with RISP and productive outs. A guy like Luis would have yielded the Giants at least 3 or 4 more wins on the season. The advanced metrics still have a few holes IMO. Striking out does matter. Batting CLUTCH does matter.

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What is Clutch?

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ⁠@@TiagoGomez-hb9tebeing able to make something good happen when it matters most.

    • @Engine33Truck
      @Engine33Truck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You sure the Giants were worse with RISP last year than the Yankees? The Giants might’ve been the worst in the NL, but me as a Yankees fan have a hard time believing the Giants were worse with RISP than the Yankees. The Yankees were absolutely atrocious with RISP last year, especially knowing they spent most of the season leading the MLB in creating double plays. Strangely, they weren’t very good at turning double plays either. You’d think they’d be able to turn double plays in their sleep as often as they saw double plays happen to them 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

    • @Garrett1240
      @Garrett1240 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What a ridiculous claim to state that Luis would've netted them 3 or 4 wins. Absurd.

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ Yankees have zero fundamentals, man

  • @myfriendscallmepat
    @myfriendscallmepat 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like this video definitely should’ve talked about his past two seasons more, where his seasons were significantly more impressive

  • @ChristianR-wj7sb
    @ChristianR-wj7sb 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Still love the guy. He’s a great positive influence and role model for the teams he plays for. Though his other stats may be lackluster, he still does his job of putting the ball in play and getting on base.

  • @StevenRussellBASEBALL
    @StevenRussellBASEBALL 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love this topic and this video!

  • @jmu76featuring61
    @jmu76featuring61 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Im a yankees fan but if there is a runner on 3rd w less than 2 outs in a one run game.. i rather have arraez than judge in a playoff game

    • @ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo
      @ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thats kind of the point. The Padres are mismanaging him to appease the egos of the guys battling behind him.

    • @brandonedwards6119
      @brandonedwards6119 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo You put Arraez behing Tati and his numbers will plummet because Arraez provides negative protection. You would be turning A 30-40 hr guy into a 20-30 hr guy.

  • @curryboyftw
    @curryboyftw 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I appreciate your summation at the end. Clear as well as respectful 🤟🏾

  • @Mrtechguru15
    @Mrtechguru15 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    This is beyond stupid. There are plenty of factors which WAR doesn't measure. Don't forget how much pressure hitters like Arraez put on the defense

    • @ToonTwist
      @ToonTwist 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      That’s like saying WAR sucks because it doesn’t quantify team leadership

    • @thayerjohnson5654
      @thayerjohnson5654 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Look up the all time WAR leaders. It's literally the who's who of the greatest hitters of all time.

    • @joejackson9986
      @joejackson9986 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Tell me you don’t understand saber metrics by not telling me you don’t understand them.

    • @Gocavsss
      @Gocavsss 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Unfortunately WAR also measures not hitting for power, being a slow baserunner, not walking, and being a bad fielder. But he's a great locker room guy!

    • @Mrtechguru15
      @Mrtechguru15 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joejackson9986 you’re just completely illiterate on another level get out of the thread scrub

  • @aaronfriday2344
    @aaronfriday2344 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He is the league's best at one aspect of baseball, which makes him valuable to fans who like to watch this form of entertainment.

  • @dmtenor
    @dmtenor 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I remember seeing him bat for the first time. He poked his bat out on an outside pitch for a bloop single and then got stranded on first without the pitcher even looking his way. Very inspiring…

    • @jaredarmstrong385
      @jaredarmstrong385 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You’re right, he should’ve just swung and missed 3 times like every other player in this era.

  • @MichaelNix-i3m
    @MichaelNix-i3m 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You're right, he needs to be batting 3rd! Imagine this:
    You've got someone like Jarren Duran, Bobby Witt, or even Elly batting leadoff. Somebody who can hit for extra bases AND steal bases.
    Somebody like Schwarber or Soto second. Goes deep in the count, gives leadoff a chance to steal, and still gets himself on base.
    So let's say you had De La Cruz lead off with a double, then steal 3rd during Schwarber's at bat in which he eventually drew a walk. Who would you rather have up with 1st & 3rd, nobody out?
    Judge or Arraez?

  • @BurgerKing-jm4qy
    @BurgerKing-jm4qy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    One get lead off hitter who is way better than Luis is Steven Kwan

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Agree. Kwan’s great though he’s a dollar store version of Ichiro

    • @ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo
      @ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Thats why Mookie Betts got the Brinks truck. He hits homeruns and played insane defense as a lead off hitter.

    • @justinebautista1383
      @justinebautista1383 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I mean that's still a very valuable player

    • @NextHW5
      @NextHW5 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BurgerKing-jm4qy love watching Kwan hit - he’s added more power too. Lot of his value comes from running tho.

  • @N8R_Quizzie
    @N8R_Quizzie 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    My mariners had a high avg low BB kind of guy but he killed us with unlimited GIDP's.

  • @Nevertroon
    @Nevertroon 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    It's better for the Padres to be paying Arraez 10 million a year to be the career 118 OPS+ guy that he is than to be paying Soto 55 million a year to walk a lot with a little pop and no defensive value. We've reached the stage where walks are overvalued and singles are undervalued.

    • @Zach_82
      @Zach_82 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Walks and singles are equal the majority of the time

    • @Nevertroon
      @Nevertroon 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @ not when there's people on base, which is not only a significant amount of time it's THE most significant time. This is the problem, people wanna roleplay as stat nerds then make vague and misleading comments like this. Ridiculous.

    • @Graysonmoller
      @Graysonmoller 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Nevertroonyou know ball

    • @Zach_82
      @Zach_82 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Nevertroon the problem is how much does the inability to get extra base hits offset the pure ability to have a high BA. I like arraez because he gets on base but how many times does arreaz need to get a single to drive in one to overtake Juan Soto hitting a three run homer

    • @made4tv495
      @made4tv495 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, if you've watched the Pads since 2019 they've learned that lesson. BBs don't score runners, move 1st to 3rd, instigate Es, etc... It's obvious the team went from taking a buttload of pitches to swinging the bat. 2023 was the epitome of useless Walks, you needed Soto to knock in Soto.

  • @EdSuastegui
    @EdSuastegui 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If you think a batting champ isn't a big contributor, you are over-painting by the numbers. There are things stats just can't measure, like, I don't know, "hey, something is happening other than a strikeout, a walk, or a homerun." And also, if I only had a dime for every time a swing-for-the-fences ("because, DUH, pumping up my OPS will get me a bigger contract") "contributor" strands runners on base instead of shortening up the swing to get an RBI single, I'd have enough money to start my own baseball league.

  • @bingboone9474
    @bingboone9474 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The one thing this always fails to recognize is sometimes a single is way better then a walk, a single allows a runner on 1st to go 1st to 3rd, or a runner on second scores instead of just having a runner on 1st and 2nd with a walk. I think Arraz is either a perfect 2 hitter or 5 or 6 hitter or 9 hole (second lead off) I would put him in the 2 or 9 hole if I was manager depending on lineup etc

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Many of the advanced metrics do value a single more than a walk. Not by all that much though. Why? Because for the most part, they are equivalent. Yes sometimes the single is a lot more valuable than a walk but a walk has almost no downsides, contact does. Contact can also ground into a double play.

    • @peterparker-zy9oe
      @peterparker-zy9oe 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      as the other guy says. Metrics like ops, wrc+ and woba value singles more than walks. They are just not as much better as the old heads think.

  • @shermanngjazz
    @shermanngjazz 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He had a 4.9 WAR in 2023 and a 4.2 WAR in 2022, so hopefully he'll bounce back this year.

  • @rspz9126
    @rspz9126 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    “Advanced” stats are the worst thing to ever happen to this game. They foolishly attempt to quantify the value of a player, something that is impossible due to all the factors that can’t be measured. If you really want to know how valuable someone is then watch the damn games

    • @goughpsmythe4979
      @goughpsmythe4979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "All the factors that can't be measured." Please elaborate on what you mean by that.

    • @superfactorial5717
      @superfactorial5717 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      TL;DR baseball is the sport best suited for advanced stats and sabermetrics. "Advanced stats ruined the sport" and they are just talking about OPS and WAR like come on dude. thats like the most basic surface level "advance" stat
      Literally baseball is like one of the only sport where you can viably measure advance stats because you can easily isolate variables and factors that affect the game, as it is at its core a 1v1 game by the hitter and pitcher (+fielders). Not to mention you can get a good reliable sample size because of the huge number of games played especially compared to other sports. How hard do they swing, at what angle do they hit the ball, how often do they chase, how often do the take, what are their swing decisions based on the count or based on the pitch they see, etc. etc. literally all those you can quantify and actually be a helpful data for the players themselves to study and improve. Same goes for pitchers; how hard they throw how much movement do their pitches do, where do they locate their pitch, the spin rate, the swing decisions of the batter, their lefty/righty splits, their extension from the mound, how well they tunnel their pitches, etc. etc.
      And the best part of it is, most of this data is available FOR FREE. thats what really sets baseball apart from lets say football where advance stats are basically paywalled.

    • @Gocavsss
      @Gocavsss 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's the old head thinking that makes teams lose games.

  • @paulseverance9959
    @paulseverance9959 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How was I not subscribed.... wowza.... hit that button!!!!!!

  • @TimeOfTroubles73
    @TimeOfTroubles73 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Are we going to indict Tony Gwynn next? Rod Carew? Brett Butler? Ichiro? Give me a break. Some players have a role: get on base so that other batter can bring you home. Nothing wrong with that. I’m not a Padres fan, I’m a Dodgers fan, but I won’t let my bias cloud my judgment.

    • @vincentlira1956
      @vincentlira1956 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Your bias is clouding your judgment, players like Gwynn and Ichiro could actually do more than just hit singles.

    • @TimeOfTroubles73
      @TimeOfTroubles73 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@vincentlira1956My point is that his number one job is to get on base. He does that well. Very well. He isn’t trying to carry his team the way more impactful players can. He’s got a niche to fill, which he does well.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@TimeOfTroubles73 Actually no he doesn't. His OBP was kind of crap last year. Kyle Schwarber had a higher OBP. Let that sink in

    • @IBangedUrMom69420
      @IBangedUrMom69420 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wingracer1614It’s not surprising. Most of the better power hitters in the league rock OBPs in the .350 range because they draw a ton of walks. Anyone who knows Schwarber wouldn’t be surprised.

  • @Parlimant_Strifey
    @Parlimant_Strifey 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    playing hurt, is going to affect your game. Just look at Bo Bichette, who got much worse with the back spasms which turned into his calf getting strained all season long. One better understand the original problem, before it morphs into other physical issues over time.

  • @Doc233
    @Doc233 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    This is ridiculous. So now hitting singles is frowned upon??

    • @TwoToneShoes
      @TwoToneShoes 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      At the expense of everything else? Yes. Throwing away easy walks and lowing your chance to actually get on base because you're chasing average is demonstrably bad.
      He's also slow as hell so he has no lead off capability to make up for his complete lack of power. And he's one of the worst defenders in the league. He's just mediocre.

    • @drewucsc
      @drewucsc 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      It's not that singles are bad. It's that singles are almost exactly the same as walks, and Arraez never walks.

    • @goughpsmythe4979
      @goughpsmythe4979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@Doc233 It isn't the hitting singles that is frowned upon. It's the fact that it's the only thing he does even competently well. He refuses to learn to incorporate any other skills to his game to make him a well-rounded and better overall player. He's a one-trick pony.

    • @HawkFX
      @HawkFX 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Yeah I mean.. singles doesn't really get runs just creates the chance for one.

    • @ShrexyGuy
      @ShrexyGuy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@goughpsmythe4979 all you can say is one trick pony. At least you didn't cry about him being someone's this time cause of your own repressed feelings lmao

  • @paulie9483
    @paulie9483 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The flaw in the OBP vs Avg argument is that a walk never moved a runner from first to third or second to score. That is less valuable in the leadoff spot, sure, but put him in an RBI position behind guys that walk and his bWAR will improve. The irony of guys swinging for the fences in the three true outcome era is that baseball is more boring now than it ever was, even with a pitch clock, ghost runners and a proposed golden at bat (the absolute dumbest rules change I've ever heard seriously propsed).

    • @TiagoGomez-hb9te
      @TiagoGomez-hb9te 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s how competitive Sports are now, though. They badly need to deal with OP pitchers

  • @Bigandrewm
    @Bigandrewm 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Perhaps this is a clue that a hitter with only 29 strikeouts being undervalued means that baseball rules are out of wack. Make all those bats put into play matter! Look at ridiculous fielder glove allowances.

  • @VinceWhitacre
    @VinceWhitacre 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ralph Garr and Alex Johnson each led the league in BA in the early 70s. Not exactly everyday names.
    The thing is, and something that was able to hide the general lack of value in empty BA for a long time, *MOST* batting champs had more value than being just singles merchants. Even guys we think of today as singles hitters really weren't: Tony Gwynn hit the ball HARD, frozen ropes all over the outfield, and had a ton of doubles to show for it. He didn't elevate the ball, didn't hit home runs, but he *did* have power - just not HR power. Rod Carew was a good defender at first, could draw a walk, and hit doubles & triples. Hell, even Garr had enough power to slug .500 the year he hit .350. Pete Rose was a doubles machine for most of his career, and again, knew how to work a walk or HBP. Ichiro was a truly great defender (probably had more value in center, but he was more comfortable as a RF) and baserunner... even though, yeah, at bat he was just a singles hitter.
    All of this is to say you don't need a ton of homers and 80+ BBs to be a productive ballplayer... but you need *something* more than Arraez in 2024. As you note, he's had it in the past - but i gotta say that's also when he was playing more 2b and 3b. At first, if you don't have power, you really need to be a lights out defender. Anybody remember Doug Mientkiewicz? Somebody like that. Even he was only valuable for a few years...

  • @Nickofriar
    @Nickofriar 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Arraez was playing with a torn ligament in his thumb for more than half the season... Padres need to move him to 2nd base and with a healthy thumb and perhaps walking a bit more he'll be just fine. So much hate for a guy that hits over .300, has 200 hits a season, and puts the ball in play while rarely striking out. I really don't get the hate

    • @greatnessdelton1381
      @greatnessdelton1381 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Of course the delusional Padres fan doesn't know shit.
      He has no power, he has no speed, he doesn't steal bases, he doesn't score often despite being a leadoff hitter, he doesn't get on base enough(a .346 OBP to a .314 B.A. is pathetic), he doesn't walk ever.
      And he now plays either the easiest defensive position on the field or the one that doesn't see the field at all, so he gives you nothing defensively either.

  • @Wo1fLarsen
    @Wo1fLarsen 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Only 16 walks last year. He's never scored 100 runs. I like contact guys and I think there's still a place for them, but they need more outcomes than singles.

  • @ShrexyGuy
    @ShrexyGuy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Arraez's 1 WAR is so accurate that the Padres were 69-48 with him and 24-21 without him

    • @sandygarcia3567
      @sandygarcia3567 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      looks like you forgot the fact that the padres improve their bullpen after the all-star and also that machado started to get hot after the second half moving from a .620 OPS to a .900+ OPS for that second half...

    • @goughpsmythe4979
      @goughpsmythe4979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      A lot more factors went into that than strictly your one-trick pony.

    • @ShrexyGuy
      @ShrexyGuy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​​@goughpsmythe4979 not a padres fan. Just respect big league hitters who can set a plate for power guys.
      "My one trick pony". Lol.
      Now say something of value or get back to your street corner

  • @civil_leuthie
    @civil_leuthie 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    His oWAR is higher if played 2B more often. He would have hit better if he didn't have a broken thumb all season. 4.9 WAR in 2023 playing second (poorly) and similar baserunning metrics. 4.2 in 2022. 3.4 in 2021. And he's only 27. I expect him to generate a 3.5+ WAR, chase less, and not hit lead-off in 2025

  • @Twicelovetwicelife
    @Twicelovetwicelife 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    love to hear it, im a padre fan and watching him every day was a pain. He just simply is a one tool player at most

  • @tommilliken7740
    @tommilliken7740 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    His defense improved drastically as the season progressed last year, he made some outstanding plays in the playoffs for us, most teams no longer value someone like him because HR's & RBI's dominate today's game, Tony Gwynn would be disgusted with today's game and the way it's played