2019-2020 ATSSB All-State Tenor Trombone Etude #2 - Allegro Mosso by Gatti

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  • @jorgeflores2742
    @jorgeflores2742 5 ปีที่แล้ว +844

    "What do we want them to play for the audition?" "I don't know, something like Darude-Sandstorm"

  • @ryanmoran6668
    @ryanmoran6668 5 ปีที่แล้ว +510

    His sound is almost as perfect as his hair

    • @jerrynotgerry7095
      @jerrynotgerry7095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      bro i didn't think he sounded THAT bad 💀

  • @MeatBunFul
    @MeatBunFul 5 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    The amount of air control here is just astounding. I felt like fainting watching this

  • @joelortega8291
    @joelortega8291 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Amazing! Had no idea this etude was for trombones, only heard this one from euphoniums

    • @WaynePickle
      @WaynePickle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The etude is in both selected studies for trombone and selected studies for euphonium, I highly recommend buying it because there are some fun etudes in there

  • @Joey-ef8dh
    @Joey-ef8dh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    Why was this in my recommended? I'm in a completely different region and play clarinet. The piece and his playing is still amazing

  • @AJ-ly8si
    @AJ-ly8si 5 ปีที่แล้ว +197

    Single tounging has left the chat

    • @Potter5416
      @Potter5416 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Aaron Johnson I played trombone in school single tongue got me through school mainly cause I never needed double.

    • @experiencepoints5490
      @experiencepoints5490 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Potter5416 i can single tongue some of this piece but after awhile my tounge just gives up

    • @NicoShaRylee
      @NicoShaRylee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Funny bro

    • @trevorroverttrevorrovert
      @trevorroverttrevorrovert 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I made the all state band playing this etude in ‘15 and I single tongued and played it slow. I can’t double tongue worth crap

    • @trevorroverttrevorrovert
      @trevorroverttrevorrovert 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There’s a video by Ryan Nicolello playing this etude and that’s about how I played it. But by all mean if you’re able to double tongue this etude, like the gentleman in this video, go for it! This video was great btw to the creator

  • @jonathanbriggs7057
    @jonathanbriggs7057 5 ปีที่แล้ว +405

    Glad to see no matter how professional you go. Trombones act like trombones of all ages (mentally 6 years old)

    • @snipejaysnipejay4703
      @snipejaysnipejay4703 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You’re mentally 6 years old

    • @dobbesh2993
      @dobbesh2993 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Like your mom

    • @nomeenom774
      @nomeenom774 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Um actuallu some of us act older
      Like 7 years old

    • @vibingpug9857
      @vibingpug9857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I act like a 6 and a half year old. Try again.

    • @nomeenom774
      @nomeenom774 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Your all wrong we act like 6.2 year olds

  • @Gueroizquierda
    @Gueroizquierda 5 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    Watched this one right after watching the same piece on trumpet, and John's tongue is FAST!

    • @abhiramkasu859
      @abhiramkasu859 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      no actually your tongue is actually unable to go that fast, so you have a physical limit and you can do nothing about it. Instead, they actually do something called double tonguing or triple tonguing where they can play double the speed the can humanly play with their tongue by actually using their throats. Instead of tu tu tu tu, it is tu ku tu ku because the ku doesn't have to use the tongue and instead uses the throat. So they play alternately to get double the speed. It is ridiculously hard though. I have been trying for a year and not that close. So keep trying.

    • @goldendragon7853
      @goldendragon7853 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Abhiram Kasu you use your tongue to double and triple tongue buddy

    • @Gueroizquierda
      @Gueroizquierda 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@abhiramkasu859 I know what double-tongueing is lol. What I mean is that he is moving super fast even when you consider that he's triple-tongueing

    • @abhiramkasu859
      @abhiramkasu859 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Gueroizquierda oh ok, I didnt know

    • @saragonzales7553
      @saragonzales7553 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@abhiramkasu859 I use my tongue when I double tongue....it's just more the back of your tongue than the front.

  • @mcproductions2585
    @mcproductions2585 5 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    as a trombone player this is impressive, but also makes him sound like hes starting a motorcycle

  • @sotokudoge5527
    @sotokudoge5527 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I swear every time I play through this from beginning to end it feels like there's steam when my lips come off that mouthpiece

  • @SuperJox
    @SuperJox 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don’t think I’ve heard this played any better by anyone else. Still inspiring

  • @ahmedal-zamzami9683
    @ahmedal-zamzami9683 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    How do I even play this on trombone bro what

  • @rayu2423
    @rayu2423 5 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    My tongue felt tired just listening to this

  • @ImJaeStar
    @ImJaeStar ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this is next years all region musis and im already practicing this

    • @crunchypeanutbutter6969
      @crunchypeanutbutter6969 ปีที่แล้ว

      How does it sound so far for you?

    • @ImJaeStar
      @ImJaeStar ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crunchypeanutbutter6969 I can play all of it but not as fast as him yet I’m almost there though

    • @crunchypeanutbutter6969
      @crunchypeanutbutter6969 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ImJaeStar Ah okok, thank you!

    • @crunchypeanutbutter6969
      @crunchypeanutbutter6969 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ImJaeStarsorry i have to ask, do you have any tips on how to tongue fast like him? like did you see any videos that helped?

    • @ImJaeStar
      @ImJaeStar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@crunchypeanutbutter6969 I practiced different ways to tongue it and I found that “da ga da” worked the best and sounded the best so just find the best tonguing method for you and practice it alot

  • @michaeldavis7026
    @michaeldavis7026 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Glad to see all trombones are the same as me and my section😂

  • @andrewbrinkley9200
    @andrewbrinkley9200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just got this etude as a euphonium.
    I am terrified.

  • @cornbread_2
    @cornbread_2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m cooked 😭 gotta play this as a freshman.

  • @thereserubi3679
    @thereserubi3679 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The key signature just gave me whiplash

  • @noahurquidi2928
    @noahurquidi2928 5 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    Glad I’m in tmea 😅 this looks freaking hard

    • @Clarinet69
      @Clarinet69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      ATSSB has no competition. You'd be first chair in ATSSB.

    • @cainbailey3434
      @cainbailey3434 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Han Solo That’s a bold statement and discredits a lot of hard working musicians. It’s significantly easier than TMEA but it’s still easily one of the most competitive All-State circuits in the country. Texas is all around crazy

    • @Clarinet69
      @Clarinet69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@cainbailey3434 I'm just playing around. But I was in a 5A TMEA school then moved to a 3A ATSSB school my senior and made 2nd chair overall in the all state band. It was an amazing experience and led me to major in music. I had only advanced to Area in TMEA. I'm a clarinet player.

    • @georgesmith2664
      @georgesmith2664 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Han Solo music majors unite! All state led me to be a music major too it really is an amazing experience

    • @abbysuarez0426
      @abbysuarez0426 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Clarinet69 were you second chair 3a this last year? Then you'd be from region 21 if I'm not mistaken

  • @jimmybobbertjoseph4370
    @jimmybobbertjoseph4370 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The speed and sound quality is amazing with this mic. Nice.

  • @WinginWolf
    @WinginWolf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is most certainly probably one of the hardest etudes for TMEA... I mean, all state auditions in general for Texas (this is ATTSB).

  • @greenlight8819
    @greenlight8819 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I haven’t touched my horn in years but I love this.

  • @matthiassanchez3211
    @matthiassanchez3211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    He is in all forms a robot

  • @mrbigg151
    @mrbigg151 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You make it seem simple. I'm a woodwind but that's impressive!

  • @IAmTheGuy1477
    @IAmTheGuy1477 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Had this for an audition last year and man it was tough

  • @trevorroverttrevorrovert
    @trevorroverttrevorrovert 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I somehow made it to state with this etude playing it slower and single tonging it. For the life of me I couldn't double tongue it, but I digress, Whatever sounds best I suppose

  • @bjhslowbrass3463
    @bjhslowbrass3463 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    His tonguing is amazing

  • @corysanders422
    @corysanders422 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was so beautiful😍

  • @shawnamitchell4787
    @shawnamitchell4787 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is beautiful

  • @cameronpeterson1054
    @cameronpeterson1054 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This was my etude as a freshman in high school XD

    • @abelmank
      @abelmank 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This was my etude as a freshman in Elementary School XD

    • @cameronpeterson1054
      @cameronpeterson1054 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@abelmank -_-

    • @cameronpeterson1054
      @cameronpeterson1054 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@abelmank my saxophone freshman etude so it was a lil' different...

    • @abelmank
      @abelmank 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cameron Peterson *preschool

    • @dobiecatcher2373
      @dobiecatcher2373 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      God same, I'm scared for this year's atssb, I made 5th chair of symphony last year but my lucks probably going to end

  • @chericarousel
    @chericarousel หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wish I could tongue as fast as this guy, I’m supposed to do this for all region this year but it’s my first year in high school and I’m not even close to this :(

  • @torarepresentation1817
    @torarepresentation1817 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Yeah, I’m not going next year.

  • @andon998
    @andon998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can’t wait to play all this for my area audition in a month

  • @sayakuyataiwan2519
    @sayakuyataiwan2519 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I didn’t know it was supposed to be that fast! Wow...

  • @sarahfowler4433
    @sarahfowler4433 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why am I here I play violin?
    Oh yeah because it’s fuckin incredible

  • @cantthinkofausername6749
    @cantthinkofausername6749 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    as a freshman euphonium, i can say this with certainty:
    *fuck*

  • @irrelevanttuesday777
    @irrelevanttuesday777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    why was this recomended at 3 AM I don't even watch this kind of thing

  • @thanosmaster-abel559
    @thanosmaster-abel559 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Lmao I’ve always seen this in my region band etude book for tmea (euphonium) And always wondered why would anyone even play it lol

    • @zacharytvining
      @zacharytvining 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Abel Aguirre I used to play through a little bit of it for an articulation exercise

    • @laydenh
      @laydenh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i have to play it for auditions and i wanna get to state :(

    • @thanosmaster-abel559
      @thanosmaster-abel559 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      laydensings what is attsb??

    • @laydenh
      @laydenh 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thanosmaster-abel559 its like the type of region your in i think? im not entirely sure, i just know different sizes of regions usually equal different music. ive always been in atssb

    • @jobroray
      @jobroray 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Abel Aguirre ATSSB is 4A and smaller schools in Texas, TMEA is larger than that.

  • @dylantaruc9573
    @dylantaruc9573 5 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Im a beginner trombone and just learned an eighth note, WTF is thisss 😧

    • @r.i.petika829
      @r.i.petika829 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Drake Tame you’d get used to it

    • @jarvis1777
      @jarvis1777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      R.I.P Etika
      As a saxophonist this would be soo easy to play I’m trying out for honor and they gave me the all state sheet idk why 😂 but it’s all sharps and flats and my pinky gets screwed up and my pointer too 😭

    • @kingofnoobs6098
      @kingofnoobs6098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@jarvis1777 Well yeah... We've got a slide and you've got the buttons.

    • @jarvis1777
      @jarvis1777 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      KingOf Noobs
      lol there not bottoms there keys I think or yeah well that would be weird if we had bottons 😂

    • @kingofnoobs6098
      @kingofnoobs6098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jarvis1777 Keys thank you.

  • @MrBox250
    @MrBox250 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Going from MS ATSSB to High school ATSSB is a big deal 😮 wish me luck 😂

  • @christianreis7091
    @christianreis7091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bravo

  • @MaconDetails
    @MaconDetails 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Light work

  • @petervannini1232
    @petervannini1232 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    2:52 made me physically cringe 😂

    • @kiaraquinn8570
      @kiaraquinn8570 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Peter Vannini in band class our whole section would always look for the culprit whenever we saw this and we would all get so pissed 😂

  • @BobbyJCFHvLichtenstein
    @BobbyJCFHvLichtenstein 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I thought those were quintuplets at first

  • @waterspout_the_searainnight
    @waterspout_the_searainnight ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m up for the challenge!

  • @steverman2312
    @steverman2312 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i dont even play trombone and im still impressed

  • @cadebennett7160
    @cadebennett7160 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gonna have to play this.... I'm finna die

  • @gunsmoke8295
    @gunsmoke8295 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s fun to put this video on two times speed.

  • @isaiahrodriguez2178
    @isaiahrodriguez2178 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I decided to do all region band for my senior year and this is what I get😭

  • @EderAge17
    @EderAge17 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Exclelente parabéns!!👏👏👏👏👏

  • @trust5227
    @trust5227 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg I didn't know this was actually the Etude..... Jesus

  • @みい-d1i
    @みい-d1i 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    すごい…
    こういう動画って日本語のコメント探すのに必死になりますよね笑

    • @jacobs8301
      @jacobs8301 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think so too

  • @kyubeyz_7062
    @kyubeyz_7062 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I commend you on your ability to play 16th notes so well consistently and consecutively. I have trouble with that.
    But I play alto sax, in case toungeing strategies are different.

  • @ricmuch
    @ricmuch 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How the fuck does he tongue that fast

  • @thealexxk
    @thealexxk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you do Gmea concert band etudes for trombone. Learnt a lot from this even though I’m from Georgia! Live the vids!!!

  • @coma-trombone6365
    @coma-trombone6365 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow

  • @spitalhelles3380
    @spitalhelles3380 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    took me a while to realize that 5 did not means it's quintoles

  • @shelbycunningham00
    @shelbycunningham00 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know the tempo he was taking this at ?

  • @nathanmendoza2974
    @nathanmendoza2974 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How many years of experience of Trombone do u need to *maybe* can do this...

  • @willwright6633
    @willwright6633 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Isn’t this the trumpet etude?

  • @比嘉理代子
    @比嘉理代子 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    凄すぎ

  • @wpgps
    @wpgps 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    👏👏👏👏👏👏 parabéns muito bom, pena que nao sei inglês ...

  • @quentinm.williams9
    @quentinm.williams9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol this all I hear from the brass players at my school! It sounds fun to play though.

  • @Αλέξανδρος-τ2λ
    @Αλέξανδρος-τ2λ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    hes actually so cute

  • @lucaspiatkowski3059
    @lucaspiatkowski3059 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m in a completely different region (nyssma) and I don’t know why this is in my reccomended

  • @christianmoreno8358
    @christianmoreno8358 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's my region for me....

  • @dylanwhite6663
    @dylanwhite6663 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what type of trombone is this?

    • @janeisnotokay3284
      @janeisnotokay3284 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      a shires with a twin valve configuration.

  • @meltedgingerbreadmusic81
    @meltedgingerbreadmusic81 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good goodness! What on earth is this?!?

  • @michael_likes_piccolo
    @michael_likes_piccolo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this the same etude as the FBA all state 11-12 technical piece??

  • @matthiassanchez3211
    @matthiassanchez3211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well alrighty then

  • @dr4gonrrr
    @dr4gonrrr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's the tempo

  • @Timstama
    @Timstama 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I feel bad for the region band judges

  • @SaxandRelax
    @SaxandRelax 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what state is this for?

    • @Fuegwin
      @Fuegwin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sax and Relax Texas

  • @smittywerbenjagermanjensen7027
    @smittywerbenjagermanjensen7027 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is there anywhere I could find this an octave lower for tuba by any chance?

    • @brandonkertz3338
      @brandonkertz3338 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just take the sheet music for trombone and make write it an octave lower, I recommend using musecore or some other notation website

    • @Gueroizquierda
      @Gueroizquierda 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should be able to find the Tuba one online at ATSSB's website

    • @Hunter69921
      @Hunter69921 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Get the book called Selected Studies it's on page 33!

  • @erasmoramirezjr.1259
    @erasmoramirezjr.1259 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I could’ve used this when I was auditioning 06-10 😂

  • @구름기차-f1n
    @구름기차-f1n 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hey dude!
    how can you play such like that?
    holy fuck!!
    i think it too much!

  • @alexp.d3689
    @alexp.d3689 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:58 😂😂😂

  • @cl4rk266
    @cl4rk266 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What’s the difference between tmea and this one?

    • @Mediocre_Music
      @Mediocre_Music 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      PJR And 2 and 1A

    • @Mediocre_Music
      @Mediocre_Music 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      PJR I’m pretty sure there’s plenty of really great 1 and 2A schools and musicians that would totally agree with you.

    • @cl4rk266
      @cl4rk266 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mediocre Music are they better or something?

    • @Mediocre_Music
      @Mediocre_Music 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      uL Crimson Well I guess it depends on the person, but 1 and 2A schools have less people, so less talented people to choose from, and less talented people who care. That’s the whole reason I made my joke lol

  • @InfinityMage498
    @InfinityMage498 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:53

  • @JustDirt07
    @JustDirt07 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guys help, this is my chair test music 😢

  • @jessecohen4517
    @jessecohen4517 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    He does have a dual trigger

    • @Octon3
      @Octon3 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's playing on the brand new S.E. Shires Twin Valve

  • @bambino100011
    @bambino100011 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who knew that Rufus Sewell played trombone! 🤣

  • @reubenmolina5661
    @reubenmolina5661 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol veggietales at the end

  • @meltedgingerbreadmusic81
    @meltedgingerbreadmusic81 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:01
    0:05
    0:10
    0:15
    0:20
    0:25
    0:31

  • @らんく外
    @らんく外 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    タンキング神ですか

  • @eduardohuerta3514
    @eduardohuerta3514 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What abt bass tbone

  • @mikeyespinoza99
    @mikeyespinoza99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought I sucked at Trombone but know I really know that I do really really suck

  • @いお-o6x3j
    @いお-o6x3j 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    音の跳躍がすごい、、、どうやってそんな低い音と高い音を行き来できるんだろ、、

  • @Blacklighting
    @Blacklighting 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have never seen a vavle setup like that. Seems kind of dumb in the open position, you're blowing through two valves. Never seen that before I can't imagine why you'd want that on a tenor

    • @SashaRomeroMusicStudent
      @SashaRomeroMusicStudent 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Actually I find the open horn to be the primary selling point of the Shire's twin valve! It's very clear and responsive without sacrificing openness in the trigger range. Each valve is individually more airtight than a normal rotor so it more or less evens out of your standard rotor that has 4 pipes running through it.

  • @Fuegwin
    @Fuegwin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Bruh

  • @davidnguyen9037
    @davidnguyen9037 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is what a solo in jazz feels like

  • @racer2k5x43
    @racer2k5x43 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I played it for the ms lions band audition and did it all one breath

  • @keontellcraw6441
    @keontellcraw6441 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can’t take him serious because his brothers in my band😂. He is just like josh

  • @으닝-g3o
    @으닝-g3o 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    어우 난 포기

  • @collier4844
    @collier4844 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    ever been in a dci band?

    • @shrimpman9545
      @shrimpman9545 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      “dci” “band” you’re gonna piss a lot of people off

    • @SashaRomeroMusic
      @SashaRomeroMusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope, never wanted to. I hate marching.

  • @60darklord
    @60darklord 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    *laughs in woodwind*

  • @stuffofmine4933
    @stuffofmine4933 ปีที่แล้ว

    A band friend or mine says this is easy

  • @dylanrigsby293
    @dylanrigsby293 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can do that...

  • @justinsaehoon
    @justinsaehoon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    K tmea is harder than gmea

    • @janeisnotokay3284
      @janeisnotokay3284 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This isnt tmea, its atssb. The small school t3xas competitionm tmea is large schools

  • @zachc9532
    @zachc9532 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dear god, that key signature is awful. I’m a sax and that translates to 3-4 flats depending on instrument and I can’t imagine having 6 flats