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There are some people, you look in their face and have a strong intuitive feeling, if they're good or bad people.....In looking at Crawford's photos, even though she's quite classically attractive, in many of her photos she looks hard, angry and even hateful..............I've no problem believing her daughter's accusations................
For example; look at the photo of mother and daughter at 17:05......Look at the daughter; looking away almost fearfully, as if she's expecting to get slapped any second.......And Joan, cold, looking as though she finds the act of tying a ribbon in her daughter's hair immensely distastful..............In what should be a happy, loving moment, there is no connection except one of fear on the little girl's part.............
She looks hard because she had to fight for everything nothing was given to her. As for her daughter, she believed that Crawford should make her a star. It didn't work like that. You do it on your own.
Beside's Gable, Errol Flynn, Cary Grant & Rudolph Valentino have all been slandered as 'gay'. The most likely reason is jealousy of people who would break out in a cold sweat if the same accusation was pointed at themselves... ...probably with good reason.
I remember as a lil girl my mom being labeled a communist by a neighbor. Her son was a pediphile and mom tried to warn neighbors. This woman spread that rumor that mom was a communist to take the heat off her son. We had to move especially after our home burned down.
Why do people repeat rumors and opinions as fact? They must crave excitement because their own lives are boring and without any accomplishment of their own.
I’m inclined to believe her, too. I think the only reason her siblings have never backed her up is: 1) it’s no one’s business, and they probably didn’t want to be in the public eye; 2) Christina was the first and the oldest, I’m sure Joan, like all parents, mellowed out with each generation.
@@sybildisobedience9969 Christina is a scammer her celebrity is based upon crying abuse and being a perpetual victim. Like it or not, she grew up privileged in posh boarding schools and wealthy zip codes. She wasn't living in the hellish foster care system. She wasn't homeless nor was she turned over to the sex industry which, is the fate of children, who are trafficked. She's used that story to get money, fame and public office. What's she done in life w/o Joan Crawford's name? Once she dies, her children will tell the truth.
Who is alive to know about Gable's sex life? Who's old enough to know the old men who he slept with? These stories about Clark Gable are just that rumors & sexual fantasies created about him from today's culture. Smh.
Because people like you and us watch it. You could’ve scrolled by. But didn’t. And that my dear is why they’re ‘spewing’. Fortunately or unfortunately spewing will always draw viewers.
I wasn’t familiar with half of those old rumors, although my bff and one-time aspiring actor/filmmaker says we talked about it extensively when we were young. Either way, I have mad respect for all of them, and it definitely elevates my opinions about Ava & Marilyn both. While Hoover and McCarthy were trying to persecute every resident and citizen in America for being communists and/or socialists, two very influential figures in America (Vanderbilt & Marilyn Monroe) were liberals who believed in equal rights and possibly equal access to education and healthcare..??
I often wonder what these golden age stars think of today's modern world we live. I bet they are pleased to be remembered and that their theatrical work has stood the test of time❤
@@MoniquevanLeeuwen I would like to think our heavenly father is kind forgiving and very much aware of modern earth preaching love tolerance and understanding of any form of ardent discrimination and hate.... Wouldn't you. We all sin in some shape or form however our place is not to ever judge.
@@MoniquevanLeeuwen the Bible if you did not know was not written by our heavenly father. I refuse to hate or judge anyone. As when judgement day arrives I will not be questioned on the sins of others only my own. Go in peace and an open heart 💙🙏
I haven’t watched this yet but I already know you’re going to talk about Loretta Young and Clark Gables illigitimate daughter Judy. Like it’s just now being found out!
It was communist to believe in racial equality, justice, civil rights and learning what another thought process was about, and having a dislike for hoover. She was to free thinking and independent
Believing in a repressive, totalitarian, human rights violating ideology that is responsible for more deaths and murders than any other in history might not be illegal, but it’s despicable.
Love old Hollywood scandals I love these stars and watch their movies more than anything today. I will always remember what Rock Hudson said toward the end of his life. America is not ready for the stars whom i know personally are homosexual. He was right I was beyond shocked by Raymond Burr!! but it changed nothing
about Crwford, it's been confirmed by many sources that Christina simplòy invented everything, and falsed all the horrible things she told about her mommie, whow as very strict woman, but never abusing her own children. it's been confirmed by people who met or worked with Christina that was a very problematic and terrible human being, and hated her mother because she was a start and wanted to be as well.
Often when a child reflects the same personalities as their abuser they become the person who receives more severe punishment. Abuser are good at covering up and often fool ppl that they are not.
@@lbjordan5082 Crawford's son Christopher couldn't stand his mother either. He and Christina were of one mind as far as their mom was concerned, Also Helen Hayes who lived down the street from Crawford refused to let her son James MacArthur go to the Crawford's house and play with Christopher and Christina because of what James told her about what went on there when Crawford was there.
Children can have very different experiences with their parents. Just because the twin girls did not recall any abuse at the hands of their mother, does not mean that Christina and Christopher were not abused. Only a handful of people knew all that went on in the Crawford household; Christopher is one of them, and he has been curiously silent on the matter. Christina does not strike me as a vindictive or attention-seeking person, but as someone who just wanted to set the record straight, and she waited until after her mother’s death to release her book. Bette Davis’ daughter, OTOH, deeply hurt her mother by publicly her own expose while Bette was still alive. Even now, many people do not want to believe that Joan Crawford was capable of the heinous acts detailed in “Mommie Dearest”, so imagine what it would have been like growing up under the control of a physically and emotionally abusive-albeit glamorous-movie star who was idolized by millions. Just to scratch the surface: Crawford circumvented the legal adoption process, suggestive of an exaggerated sense of entitlement that is characteristic of Narcissistic and Histrionic Personality Disorder. People with such Cluster B personality disorders are absolutely capable of very malicious and covert forms of child abuse.
christoper never said anything, and he was really a troubled boy ( escaped from house, having bad companies and have been several times in jail), and all people ( friends and people who knew them) all said the same thing, Joan was a very strict woman and mother, but not abusive at all, while her daughter was a very difficoult one to take care @@jmj5388
Lana Turner's daughter said that Lana knew about Joan, along with a lot of other actors who either weren't about to risk their careers, or didn't want to be the bad guy that hurt Joan. When the book came out, once in a while I'd see actors on TV saying they knew she was an abuser because a lot of actors were asked what they knew at the time (a nervous June Allyson, a more assured Natalie Schafer, I remember, some lesser knowns). My guess is that some of the actresses were able to "adopt" babies (June Allyson, Eve Arden, etc) because of Joan's connections. Years later, a crooked adoption ring was exposed, having kidnapped the babies of impoverished, mostly southern women, who were often tricked into signing documents they didn't understand. Allegedly, mostly rich women, including celebrities, found babies through this adoption ring, including Joan's twin daughters. Christina and Christopher's adoptions are a little more complicated, but they might have been adopted through questionable people, too. Joan reportedly adopted a girl before Christina, but the biological mother got her back. To this day, adopted children are still searching for the biological parents they were stolen from. Very few have been successful because the records were tampered with.
Frank Sinatra rejecting Marilyn Monroe's invitation to "come and comfort her" after the end of her relationship with Miller was wise. He knew she was extremely damaged.
I dont think Marylin was kind, but I do think she was naiv and not very decent.......never the less her fans made her an Idol, I wonder why, she was not a victim, she was vane and wanted to be seen and hunted, Elizabeth Tailor was the same man eating vamp. Marylin obvius did not reject female affairs, so mourning and missing and crying is a waste of time, she has bin gone for 60 years and that should ring a bell for fans with an important lack of knowledge..... There are so few in the big picture, you can pick out as really famous and decent, but most of them got married, divorced, pregnant, and divorced again, and no matter their beauty and fame, they only remmbrers for their almost evil attitude and way of life, but they did leave tears and sorrows where ever they went, because of their bad behavior.enjoying the sweet passions of life. Hollywood did not change it is still the most ugly dunhill of fallen lives....
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There are some people, you look in their face and have a strong intuitive feeling, if they're good or bad people.....In looking at Crawford's photos, even though she's quite classically attractive, in many of her photos she looks hard, angry and even hateful..............I've no problem believing her daughter's accusations................
For example; look at the photo of mother and daughter at 17:05......Look at the daughter; looking away almost fearfully, as if she's expecting to get slapped any second.......And Joan, cold, looking as though she finds the act of tying a ribbon in her daughter's hair immensely distastful..............In what should be a happy, loving moment, there is no connection except one of fear on the little girl's part.............
She looks hard because she had to fight for everything nothing was given to her. As for her daughter, she believed that Crawford should make her a star. It didn't work like that. You do it on your own.
In this time, people are obsessed with homosexuality and I for one, am fed up with it. Why make sly accusations about people who are long gone?
Beside's Gable, Errol Flynn, Cary Grant & Rudolph Valentino have all been slandered as 'gay'. The most likely reason is jealousy of people who would break out in a cold sweat if the same accusation was pointed at themselves... ...probably with good reason.
I remember as a lil girl my mom being labeled a communist by a neighbor. Her son was a pediphile and mom tried to warn neighbors. This woman spread that rumor that mom was a communist to take the heat off her son. We had to move especially after our home burned down.
Good grief! I'm so sorry for you and your mother. I hope you all got over it without scars. Take care and God bless.
The Red Scare was the Witch Trials of modern times. It was a great way to settle scores and take somebody down a peg, regardless of the truth.
Why do people repeat rumors and opinions as fact? They must crave excitement because their own lives are boring and without any accomplishment of their own.
I, for one, believed Christina Crawford. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. And I would never dismiss someone’s childhood memories.
I’m inclined to believe her, too. I think the only reason her siblings have never backed her up is: 1) it’s no one’s business, and they probably didn’t want to be in the public eye; 2) Christina was the first and the oldest, I’m sure Joan, like all parents, mellowed out with each generation.
@@sybildisobedience9969 Christina is a scammer her celebrity is based upon crying abuse and being a perpetual victim. Like it or not, she grew up privileged in posh boarding schools and wealthy zip codes. She wasn't living in the hellish foster care system. She wasn't homeless nor was she turned over to the sex industry which, is the fate of children, who are trafficked. She's used that story to get money, fame and public office. What's she done in life w/o Joan Crawford's name? Once she dies, her children will tell the truth.
Who is alive to know about Gable's sex life? Who's old enough to know the old men who he slept with? These stories about Clark Gable are just that rumors & sexual fantasies created about him from today's culture. Smh.
Ava Gardner's granddaughter Elizabeth Gardner is a meteorologist at WRAL-TV News 5. She's the first woman meteorologist to work for that station.
I m a straight person , but Ava Gardner was the most beautiful woman .
After all ,no one can stop you from a perfectly objective statement.
Omg I’m 78 these people are long gone..why do you need to make your money spewing this garbage makes me sick…no one to defend them..all gone
Because people like you and us watch it. You could’ve scrolled by. But didn’t. And that my dear is why they’re ‘spewing’. Fortunately or unfortunately spewing will always draw viewers.
Well it will be sad picture to see them in hell after "so perfect" in the movies.
Great video! I love these scandals!
Merry Christmas AOV! Merry Christmas all!
Have a wonderful and happy holiday season.
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Oh please 🤨 this man is DEAD 🥺 LEAVE HIM ALONE. Even if he was gay it's his BUSINESS ❤❤❤❤ LET HIM REST EASY 🌹🌹🥰 HE WAS AND STILL AWESOME 👍👍😃
Rest easy? where?
MM was a sweet sweet soul.
What about the death of Bette Davis 2nd husband Arthur Farnsworth in the 40s..that's very interesting.
Bette died in the eightys, she was in her 90s
Frank Sinatra & Ava Gardner were equally matched sexually but lust never lasts.
You’re right- lust always has a shelf life that’s the difference between lust and real genuine love - pity more people don’t know the difference
@@overcomerbtboj Did you ever have a lust-life?
I wasn’t familiar with half of those old rumors, although my bff and one-time aspiring actor/filmmaker says we talked about it extensively when we were young. Either way, I have mad respect for all of them, and it definitely elevates my opinions about Ava & Marilyn both. While Hoover and McCarthy were trying to persecute every resident and citizen in America for being communists and/or socialists, two very influential figures in America (Vanderbilt & Marilyn Monroe) were liberals who believed in equal rights and possibly equal access to education and healthcare..??
I’d heard about all the rumours before except for Ava Gardner.
I often wonder what these golden age stars think of today's modern world we live. I bet they are pleased to be remembered and that their theatrical work has stood the test of time❤
Maybe not so when they stand before the Creator and have to answer for their lies and deceit….
@@MoniquevanLeeuwen I would like to think our heavenly father is kind forgiving and very much aware of modern earth preaching love tolerance and understanding of any form of ardent discrimination and hate.... Wouldn't you. We all sin in some shape or form however our place is not to ever judge.
@@trevortrevatrevortreva1520 No, i wouldn’t…. Read your bible first!
@@MoniquevanLeeuwen the Bible if you did not know was not written by our heavenly father. I refuse to hate or judge anyone. As when judgement day arrives I will not be questioned on the sins of others only my own. Go in peace and an open heart 💙🙏
@@trevortrevatrevortreva1520 You’re twisting my words like no other. But oh well…. You do you!
I haven’t watched this yet but I already know you’re going to talk about Loretta Young and Clark Gables illigitimate daughter Judy. Like it’s just now being found out!
Nope. It was about his sexuality.
Clark was also a gigolo.
It was communist to believe in racial equality, justice, civil rights and learning what another thought process was about, and having a dislike for hoover. She was to free thinking and independent
Joan Crawford had a terrible childhood that always haunted her .
Me too. Yet I met my husband in high school and we together for 46 years. No excuse for living immorally.
One would think that Hollywood degeneracy is a new thing but no it's always been here. Great video👍👍👍👏👏👏
I believe every word of Christina regarding Joan Crawford.
The Brit should stick to the Royals and stop bashing the dead. He knows nothing.
In other words Marilyn was a liberal. Fact is believing in communism isn't illegal. Being a liberal isn't illegal, contrary to some wanting it to be.
Believing in a repressive, totalitarian, human rights violating ideology that is responsible for more deaths and murders than any other in history might not be illegal, but it’s despicable.
Marilyn is good with me. A sweet soul who wasn’t down with the conservative politics of the era . ❤
Well stated!@@davidpar2
Well Said ❤
She was an FBI/cia toy and for sure she was under mk ultra.
I think in the end, the writer of this piece is correct. Maybe Gable was bi, but I seriously doubt that he was gay...
Love old Hollywood scandals I love these stars and watch their movies more than anything today. I will always remember what Rock Hudson said toward the end of his life. America is not ready for the stars whom i know personally are homosexual. He was right I was beyond shocked by Raymond Burr!! but it changed nothing
I Love Joan Crawford❤❤❤❤
about Crwford, it's been confirmed by many sources that Christina simplòy invented everything, and falsed all the horrible things she told about her mommie, whow as very strict woman, but never abusing her own children. it's been confirmed by people who met or worked with Christina that was a very problematic and terrible human being, and hated her mother because she was a start and wanted to be as well.
Often when a child reflects the same personalities as their abuser they become the person who receives more severe punishment. Abuser are good at covering up and often fool ppl that they are not.
@@lbjordan5082 Crawford's son Christopher couldn't stand his mother either. He and Christina were of one mind as far as their mom was concerned, Also Helen Hayes who lived down the street from Crawford refused to let her son James MacArthur go to the Crawford's house and play with Christopher and Christina because of what James told her about what went on there when Crawford was there.
Children can have very different experiences with their parents. Just because the twin girls did not recall any abuse at the hands of their mother, does not mean that Christina and Christopher were not abused.
Only a handful of people knew all that went on in the Crawford household; Christopher is one of them, and he has been curiously silent on the matter. Christina does not strike me as a vindictive or attention-seeking person, but as someone who just wanted to set the record straight, and she waited until after her mother’s death to release her book. Bette Davis’ daughter, OTOH, deeply hurt her mother by publicly her own expose while Bette was still alive.
Even now, many people do not want to believe that Joan Crawford was capable of the heinous acts detailed in “Mommie Dearest”, so imagine what it would have been like growing up under the control of a physically and emotionally abusive-albeit glamorous-movie star who was idolized by millions. Just to scratch the surface: Crawford circumvented the legal adoption process, suggestive of an exaggerated sense of entitlement that is characteristic of Narcissistic and Histrionic Personality Disorder. People with such Cluster B personality disorders are absolutely capable of very malicious and covert forms of child abuse.
christoper never said anything, and he was really a troubled boy ( escaped from house, having bad companies and have been several times in jail), and all people ( friends and people who knew them) all said the same thing, Joan was a very strict woman and mother, but not abusive at all, while her daughter was a very difficoult one to take care @@jmj5388
Lana Turner's daughter said that Lana knew about Joan, along with a lot of other actors who either weren't about to risk their careers, or didn't want to be the bad guy that hurt Joan. When the book came out, once in a while I'd see actors on TV saying they knew she was an abuser because a lot of actors were asked what they knew at the time (a nervous June Allyson, a more assured Natalie Schafer, I remember, some lesser knowns). My guess is that some of the actresses were able to "adopt" babies (June Allyson, Eve Arden, etc) because of Joan's connections. Years later, a crooked adoption ring was exposed, having kidnapped the babies of impoverished, mostly southern women, who were often tricked into signing documents they didn't understand. Allegedly, mostly rich women, including celebrities, found babies through this adoption ring, including Joan's twin daughters. Christina and Christopher's adoptions are a little more complicated, but they might have been adopted through questionable people, too. Joan reportedly adopted a girl before Christina, but the biological mother got her back. To this day, adopted children are still searching for the biological parents they were stolen from. Very few have been successful because the records were tampered with.
Frank Sinatra rejecting Marilyn Monroe's invitation to "come and comfort her" after the end of her relationship with Miller was wise. He knew she was extremely damaged.
Maybe he rejected her offer because, he knew he wasn't for hire?
crawford was a witch
Was she though? Christina didn’t get a lot of corroboration from Joan Crawford’s friends, staff, or other adopted children.
But she was a great actress,a diva..Marlon Brandon was bad Man and all Love...
@@ehanneken Her adopted brother Christopher agreed totally with her about Joan.
@@lray1948 Yes, Christina had one supporter.
@@ehannekenUntil years later. Some of the actors started to speak out, saying Joan did abuse the first two children.
Will have no trouble forgetting all of this except for Crawford.
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The old hollywood industry is very similar to the modern day k-pop industry
🚩. And this is what is forced on us as moral.
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Christ reigns forever! From generation to generation, thou art God! N
Christ, my soul snatcher!!! Bless His name!!!
I dont think Marylin was kind, but I do think she was naiv and not very decent.......never the less her fans made her an Idol, I wonder why, she was not a victim, she was vane and wanted to be seen and hunted, Elizabeth Tailor was the same man eating vamp.
Marylin obvius did not reject female affairs, so mourning and missing and crying is a waste of time, she has bin gone for 60 years and that should ring a bell for fans with an important lack of knowledge.....
There are so few in the big picture, you can pick out as really famous and decent, but most of them got married, divorced, pregnant, and divorced again, and no matter their beauty and fame, they only remmbrers for their almost evil attitude and way of life, but they did leave tears and sorrows where ever they went, because of their bad behavior.enjoying the sweet passions of life. Hollywood did not change it is still the most ugly dunhill of fallen lives....
Very good, truthful comment.
Rubbish
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Terrible narration. Flat and slow
Get to the point🙄