Thanks very very much for your hard work on this Granberg video. Its gold for anyone with square ground. I have a Simington 451C but don't need it every sharpen. The granberg is the tool for an every day touch up. Good luck to you, there's a beer in Wanaka New Zealand if you ever make it down this way.
Impressive precision analysis and improvements on the Granberg filing jig. I have been using the round file on semi-chisel chain and this presentation was a little over my head but I this gives me something to shoot for - in addition to considering implementing the improvements recommended to the Granberg jig. Thanks for your work in creating and posting this.
You have by far created the best video for using a file jig. I was fascinated by your explanation of the square file cutter. I used the round filed semi chisel tooth with the 10 degree top angle. Had no clue the square tooth goes 20-25% faster. Your modifications are damn smart. Boy howdy you must cut like lightning .
Thank you for sharing your ideas to improve this jig...I've been looking for square ground filing videos for a long time by now, yours is one of the best, especially cause you found a nice cheap set up, it seems really reliable and consistent
Excellent video, thanks for all the detailed information and thank you so much for taking the time to make all the detailed printable files to share with all of us, it is greatly appreciated. thanks again and keep up the great work. Dale
Wow! Very impressive and meticulous work you’ve put in to making that Granberg jig perform even better! Very nice! When I was first learning to round file, my supervisor made me use a Granberg to learn the muscle memory of holding steady angles the full stroke of the file. I hated it, but I’m glad he made me do it because I feel I’m a pretty darn consistent round filer because of it. Seeing how you’ve set your jig up for square filing gives me hope I can learn that muscle memory for hand square filing angles too. Nice job!
I have the original Granberg file 'n joint that did square file chisel chain, It was sold in the 70's to the early 80's and dropped. I know this because I called them in the 80's to buy another. I finally figured out after scabbing mine together all these yrs that the base units are still the same, so I bought another base unit. The file holders on the jig used to have inserts that rotated with the file and had tiny hash marks on them so you could match the right and left hand cutter angles. These inserts were milled perfectly for the Oberg files. My model had a sticker that was placed over the #106B....I think it was maybe an 'A'. Occasionally, you'd see my unit go through eBay for $50-$100. I haven't seen one now for yrs. I have the original yellow direction sheet with all the recommended angles. I've been looking for it for yrs....so far not found. I always use .404, square ground skip-tooth chisel. I usually run Oregon 68CJ Pro chain.
Interesting modifications. I wrap masking tape around the chisel bit file to clamp at the correct angle. Simple and effective, but also reversible for hand filing. The Granberg jig makes it easy to get consistent results with a file.
I have a saying I spoke often as a machinst- If it's man made it can be made better. You proved that. It's sad that the company has been making this same product for ~50 years and you improved its accuracy with two dollars worth of hardware. Next I would like to see bushings inside the top section where the guild rail moves. Thanks for the video.
Hi George, Extremely good video! You've really worked out the details of getting the most precision out of the Granberg 106b. I will have to watch this again, many times, to take it all in. It would be great if I could get a DVD of this video to use in my laptop out in the shed, as I don't get wifi out there. Any possibility of that? I'm sure that I'll be in touch with you again, as in the past, with more questions about these new modifications and the various parts of the video that I don't fully comprehend. Also, thank you for the heads about this! Regards, Owen
excellent video and write up! really appreciate all the information. I have one problem though, when my teeth get around 25% left my file comes in contact with the backstop piece that holds the tooth from moving backwards, is there anyway to avoid this?
My chain are Stihl full chisel but I’ve always thought the file angle was to be “0”, perpendicular to the bar. However if I understood your illustration you mentioned filing at 10 degree to the bar. Why the difference? Thanks.
Thanks. I'm considering buying one of these on Amazon (since I can't find my grinder in my shop!).. I'm not sure how to tell what kind of chain I have- X, gullet, etc? Can I tell by looking at it? Is there a number I can see like in degrees?
a skip tooth chain skips teeth, ie occasionally (1 in 3?) a tooth doesn't have a cutter on it. A chisel tooth chain has straight, nonrounded cutter blades.
George, You should do this professionally. After sitting through so many bad instructional videos, I bet you could instruct just about anything. If you could instruct people how to drive in the left passing lane, I bet people would donate to any charity you want to help.
OK, I've had a File 'n Joint since the 70's that was specifically designed to do square ground chisel chain. It's a shame you didn't have that as a template because some of your modifications are reinventing the wheel. The original sharpener had these little insert bushings that had degree marks on them and the bushings fit inside the hand jig....rotating to give you the degree you wanted. Unfortunately, my sharpener was cobbled together for a couple of decades after wearing out, because I didn't realize that the base unit itself is still made the same as mine. What differed was the actual hand jig that held the file. That part of mine is still cobbled together. On one of the saw forums a retired machinist went one step better and milled out the hand jig part for the file with rotating bushings....wonderful job....won't replicate for anybody. I do have close-up pics of that. Other than a grinder, there is still nobody that makes a nice hand jig for .404, square ground chisel. If I can get some similar aluminum bushing you are talking about for my hand jig, I can again give it some new life. What I'm using now is a brass bushing that's been cut in half and shoved in on both sides of the file. It works OK, but setting up they tend to fall out and they're not exactly identical...being cut with a Dremel. That bump stop is a waste of time for getting your cutters the same length. I see in your vid that your cutter lengths are variable, so it's not working for you either. I just count the strokes and apply the same pressure every time.
One of the best on youtube. Thank you for sharing.
Even though it’s five years later, your information and insight was put to good use the last couple of days,
Thanks.
Thanks very very much for your hard work on this Granberg video. Its gold for anyone with square ground. I have a Simington 451C but don't need it every sharpen. The granberg is the tool for an every day touch up. Good luck to you, there's a beer in Wanaka New Zealand if you ever make it down this way.
Impressive precision analysis and improvements on the Granberg filing jig. I have been using the round file on semi-chisel chain and this presentation was a little over my head but I this gives me something to shoot for - in addition to considering implementing the improvements recommended to the Granberg jig. Thanks for your work in creating and posting this.
You have by far created the best video for using a file jig. I was fascinated by your explanation of the square file cutter. I used the round filed semi chisel tooth with the 10 degree top angle. Had no clue the square tooth goes 20-25% faster.
Your modifications are damn smart.
Boy howdy you must cut like lightning .
Very professional video. I'm a woodturner, a sharp saw is one of the most important tools in the shop. Thank you for your video.
Thanks for all the hard work you put into making this very informative video George!
Thank you for sharing your ideas to improve this jig...I've been looking for square ground filing videos for a long time by now, yours is one of the best, especially cause you found a nice cheap set up, it seems really reliable and consistent
this is an incredibly good video. you so thoroughly answer questions i never even knew i had about chainsaw filing and cutter geometry.
thanks!!!
Excellent video, thanks for all the detailed information and thank you so much for taking the time to make all the detailed printable files to share with all of us, it is greatly appreciated. thanks again and keep up the great work.
Dale
Wow! Very impressive and meticulous work you’ve put in to making that Granberg jig perform even better! Very nice!
When I was first learning to round file, my supervisor made me use a Granberg to learn the muscle memory of holding steady angles the full stroke of the file. I hated it, but I’m glad he made me do it because I feel I’m a pretty darn consistent round filer because of it. Seeing how you’ve set your jig up for square filing gives me hope I can learn that muscle memory for hand square filing angles too. Nice job!
Your a genius and a true craftsman George. Great job!
I have the original Granberg file 'n joint that did square file chisel chain, It was sold in the 70's to the early 80's and dropped. I know this because I called them in the 80's to buy another. I finally figured out after scabbing mine together all these yrs that the base units are still the same, so I bought another base unit. The file holders on the jig used to have inserts that rotated with the file and had tiny hash marks on them so you could match the right and left hand cutter angles. These inserts were milled perfectly for the Oberg files. My model had a sticker that was placed over the #106B....I think it was maybe an 'A'. Occasionally, you'd see my unit go through eBay for $50-$100. I haven't seen one now for yrs. I have the original yellow direction sheet with all the recommended angles. I've been looking for it for yrs....so far not found. I always use .404, square ground skip-tooth chisel. I usually run Oregon 68CJ Pro chain.
what model is the granberg that did square file chisel chain?
What a great video! Thank you for taking the time to explain everything.
The best video on the Tube about the Granburg.
Thx for the link on Amazons review. This is just what I needed.
Yes, George. I agree with Tim Pollock. Great detail and pictures did really help.
Interesting modifications. I wrap masking tape around the chisel bit file to clamp at the correct angle. Simple and effective, but also reversible for hand filing. The Granberg jig makes it easy to get consistent results with a file.
Amazing job, very professional! Thanks for the effort!
Thank you for this golden information, kind Sir!!!!!
top notch video, great job
I have a saying I spoke often as a machinst- If it's man made it can be made better. You proved that. It's sad that the company has been making this same product for ~50 years and you improved its accuracy with two dollars worth of hardware. Next I would like to see bushings inside the top section where the guild rail moves. Thanks for the video.
Most impressive precise video caint wait to get mine in the mail and make the modifications
Good info best I've seen thanks
You and Granburg should collaborate and design a “Pro” model with all your improvements. I will be happy to spend a little more for convenience.
Hi George, Extremely good video! You've really worked out the details of getting the most precision out of the Granberg 106b. I will have to watch this again, many times, to take it all in. It would be great if I could get a DVD of this video to use in my laptop out in the shed, as I don't get wifi out there. Any possibility of that? I'm sure that I'll be in touch with you again, as in the past, with more questions about these new modifications and the various parts of the video that I don't fully comprehend. Also, thank you for the heads about this! Regards, Owen
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excellent video and write up! really appreciate all the information. I have one problem though, when my teeth get around 25% left my file comes in contact with the backstop piece that holds the tooth from moving backwards, is there anyway to avoid this?
My chain are Stihl full chisel but I’ve always thought the file angle was to be “0”, perpendicular to the bar. However if I understood your illustration you mentioned filing at 10 degree to the bar. Why the difference? Thanks.
Thanks. I'm considering buying one of these on Amazon (since I can't find my grinder in my shop!).. I'm not sure how to tell what kind of chain I have- X, gullet, etc? Can I tell by looking at it? Is there a number I can see like in degrees?
Outstanding video.
So what a good degrees filing with a square file
Very informative. Is a skip tooth chain the same as a chisel tooth chain?
a skip tooth chain skips teeth, ie occasionally (1 in 3?) a tooth doesn't have a cutter on it. A chisel tooth chain has straight, nonrounded cutter blades.
George, You should do this professionally. After sitting through so many bad instructional videos, I bet you could instruct just about anything. If you could instruct people how to drive in the left passing lane, I bet people would donate to any charity you want to help.
OK, I've had a File 'n Joint since the 70's that was specifically designed to do square ground chisel chain. It's a shame you didn't have that as a template because some of your modifications are reinventing the wheel. The original sharpener had these little insert bushings that had degree marks on them and the bushings fit inside the hand jig....rotating to give you the degree you wanted. Unfortunately, my sharpener was cobbled together for a couple of decades after wearing out, because I didn't realize that the base unit itself is still made the same as mine. What differed was the actual hand jig that held the file. That part of mine is still cobbled together. On one of the saw forums a retired machinist went one step better and milled out the hand jig part for the file with rotating bushings....wonderful job....won't replicate for anybody. I do have close-up pics of that. Other than a grinder, there is still nobody that makes a nice hand jig for .404, square ground chisel. If I can get some similar aluminum bushing you are talking about for my hand jig, I can again give it some new life. What I'm using now is a brass bushing that's been cut in half and shoved in on both sides of the file. It works OK, but setting up they tend to fall out and they're not exactly identical...being cut with a Dremel. That bump stop is a waste of time for getting your cutters the same length. I see in your vid that your cutter lengths are variable, so it's not working for you either. I just count the strokes and apply the same pressure every time.
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