I had the new PHB for about 48 hours now, its the worst art of any book I have purchased (started buying and playing D&D in 1991). I have yet to dig into the book. I was going to buy the new PHB regardless of what I thought about it, my 1st impression is hard pass, I am never using this material, and this could be the last book I do buy from wizards of the cost.
My biggest problem isn't that there is too much physical diversity. Im most upset by what seems like the lack of tonal diversity. Newer D&D editions just get lighter and more colorful, everyone is confidently smirking. Which isnt bad, you do need breaks and happier moments to balance things out, but where are the old enigmatic things? Ruins, dead civs, old evils, forces cryptic and beyond the material plane. There use to be almost a horror when depicting your adversaries. Cultists in dark caves with obscure unknown symbols carved in to flesh and stone. Like that image of Kyuss (the large cloaked figure in the burning town) invokes dread. Old ancient horror. Hell come to your hold, to devour and despoil. The guard are utterly overwhelmed by his size and the whole scene is a nightmare. The only time you will know how brilliantly you shined as a hero, is when your measure is tested by the darkest realms.
DIEversity in DnD is exactly like "diversity" and "multiculturalism" everywhere else it's toted. It's a big fat lie. Merely a cudgel to attack everything wholesome, normal, and white. Their art is stupid because all they want to play is gay sims, not DnD. It's bland because they are bitter mental midgets. It's ugly because it is entirely wrapped up not on bringing different people to a war game, but entirely on hating whites.
I'd love to see a feat based on ranged muffins... Or how about a spell? "Petrify muffin" (Wiz 2): turns muffins into +1 sling bullets for 1 round/level; +2 if baked by a gay dwarf...
Has anyone noticed the amount of smiling faces in all the art pieces? It's like their trying to show their having a good time and we should be having a good time as well.
I have a friend who worked at Hasborg until the last culling, she said that there is mass panic at WoTc among the staff but Marketing and Upper management has this snide "Of course it's going to be a massive success" attitude...I can't wait until the cold pimp slap of reality sets in. Personally I am crazy excited about Castles & Crusades Reforged...it will be the closest thing to what D&D would have become had WoTC not pissed all over the IP.
Maybe it will be a success, but DC20 has become my modern D20 design of choice. There are so many good indie games now, and not all of the creators hate me. 😃
Shoutout for Shadowdark! We switched to it from 5e and have had nothing but good times. Very approachable for both 5e ans OSR gamers and compatible with all types. Best of all the creator and contributors dont have you for your sexuality or skin color. All are welcome for town carousing as it should be.
I just ordered the HC/Digital combo, but I'm waiting till August for the HC (backorder). From what I've absorbed so far, it's very mechanically streamlined and the art and page layouts are nice too. There's even a quality section on Deities, which would be helpful to those without a pre-chosen campaign setting. Shadowdark packs a lot in one book, and does it well. Great stand-alone, and jumping off point for home brewing. Two thumbs up on Shadowdark imho.
The fat elf squatting is the seeing eye dog (furrries) for the blind player of color right next to her, it? They? The PoC with their seeing eye cane +3
The art of the new 6th edition is unnerving as it feels like it sits in the uncanny valley of realism, still very likely to be all AI or based on modified AI.
I have moved from D&D 5e to Runequest. I still play AD&D from time to time but Runequest is now my main TTRPG. The new artwork that WotC has planned for the new edition is horrendous.
I don’t think they are using AI in all their art (the covers definitely are AI). But I do think they are using an AI prompt to send out to their artists. “Make a diverse D&D adventuring party”, get a response, hit copy/paste and send out the Email to their artists. Someone said they all look like corporate team building photos; which when compared side by side. Yeah they totally do. That wyvern piece, that’s a banger though.
I remember back in the early 80s when I discovered some science and decided that all the Drow in my games hence were to have transparent skin. My players were more horrified than I expected. Truly amazing fun. Alas I still played them like humans. Being one myself.
@@philh8259 Who won? Wotc isn't making Dungeons & Dragons, they just slapped the label on. That why we left and the OSR was born. According to my teenage nephew and his gaming group and thier GenX Dad DM, they are sick of wotc and more people by the day are seeing it for the pandering corporate trash that it is. Their group isn't going to play the new edition, they are going back to either real D&D (TSR Built), Shadowdark and Dragonslayer. It's kind of like trying to convince margarine-eaters that a way better product is out there and has been all along. They don't have to eat turkey-fattener, just give butter a chance. People are figuring out the connection between corporate ownership, DEI intrusion into thier hobby by Fund Managemnent Corporations with a DEI agenda. I avoid purchasing corporate products, I prefer to buy second hand with cash, and avoid any tribute making its way to Blackrock aka "The Evil Co." Those too enthralled by corporate D&D to jump ship to the OSR, I liken to Chrysler brand loyalists that still bought Chrysler brand even when the company was bought-out and they're built in a crappy Italian car factory. Fiat is producing a way junkier product, but they've always got the loyalty of the Chrysler-enthralled buyers. The Chrysler logo makes the product "A" okay.
@@LanceCriminal1337the go five seconds of your life without mentioning you’re a marine challenge: utterly failed. Why don’t marine idiots always have to mention that you’re a marine? My dad was a marine and that was his entire personality. Now he’s a retired grumpy dork with zero hobbies because he never bothered to get an interest in anything other than bragging about being a marine. Also, provide evidence that women fail in infantry. I fucking dare you.
I feel sorry for boys growing up today and not having Elmore, Clyde etc. Cultural rot. I still think AI was used in these pieces. They look off. Or it’s just bad art.
I have a young son, it’s my duty to raise him and show old stuff that he can read, watch, and play with. All of today’s media is anti men, and anti boy. I won’t allow it
I agree... the art looks entirely off. Like a lot of new music today... it does feel soul less, flat or tepid but I do not think it is based on some infiltrating agenda. I think it is a much worse thing that we have yet to comprehend. AI is an aside but perhaps a definite aspect... like looking at video game uncanny valley realism... they are all corpses.
I mean, it's pretty obvious they took the idea of 'fantasy' and lost the concept of it as an art form and instead took it in the more literal form - like this shit is pure fantasy
The entirety of DnD was always pure fantasy. So I guess you are fine with dragons, but female warriors and orcs wearing what could possibly be construed as slightly Hispanic attire are a bridge too far?
I saw a comparison of new art compared to corporate photos of meetings. They look identical, and then some do t make sense with how weapons are being held and swung
I noticed that as well. One had a short character swinging a maul. Yet simply following the path of the swing, you know it will hit not with the head of the maul but rather the back of the maul!
I need to watch that interview where for the first time in almost 40 years of being around this game i heard someone call a fighter/warrior/whatever called a "fighting man".
I jumped ship from WotC around D&D 4e. Fucked around with Pathfinder, but now? I'm all in on the OSR. I have a Worlds Without Number homebrew setting ready to rock: There is no fruity Rousseau "noble savage" bullshit in Cassea. Everyone's freaked the fuck out because magic's no longer working as well as it used to, they've been invaded by the rogue psychic war-dolls of the techno-fey, and a civil war in one of the largest kingdoms has turned vast swathes of previously fertile land into a cursed moor where the restless dead rise every year to repeat their final battle or possess the native macaques to take up arms against the living. Eusocial coconut crabs! Carnivorous bunnyfolk with IEDs! It's a world in need of fucking heroes, because Wizards of the Coast wants everyone to have a bloody bake sale!
How DARE THEY steal a classic game, turn it into a woketard piece of shit, and then say WE are no longer wanted. All I have to say as a gamer who is as old as him, ROBILAR LIVES! - DETH TO W.O.T.C..
I don't know if "Bad" art is necessarily such a bad thing. Early D&D had kinda shitty art. But I adore those black-and-white notebook doodles from back then. Modern art is corpo slop.
I completely agree that there needs to be more fantasy in fantasy games and stories. However, there are a lot of stories based in true events that would also (with minor alteration) be an entertaining enhancement for these campaigns. Those stories are typically set in war, or rescue, or other life and death struggles, and not in coffee shops and street festivals.
i stopped buying Dungeons and dragons when they switched to 3rd edition. I will not buy modern Dungeons and dragons. Especially since it was never made for me as an old white man who played in the 80s as a child. the irony is we did not care about you gender or skin color of our fellow players. or your sexuality. I play other systems when i roleplay anything other than osr AD&D 2nd. My preferred is palladium system.
I just had another thought. How is WotC going to work one of the premier Dragonlance heroes, Tanis Half-Elven into the "iconic heroes" or whatever they're calling them, with the expulsion of half-races?
As long as there has been Art, there has been terrible Art. As we discussed last week... it's not about what the art is for them... it's about what/how many checkboxes the Artist can hit. and Commies ALWAYS destroy... you have to Get rid of the olds to replace it with your garbage.
Wotc new art and even the art in 5e suck and does not resemble anything from the iconic TSR era. Don't forget they didn't even mention Gygax or Arneson in the 5e core rule books!! I'll stick with my B/X books and Descending armor class!
A big issue is relatability. Gary Gygax stated in the DMG (I’m paraphrasing) that most characters would be human and that no characters should be monsters due to the lack of relatability. Even players who were allowed to play as a monster would eventually lose interest due to this important aspect. Presently, I am trying to work through several different PC options like elves, dwarves, etc. just to present them as vastly different from humans. I think most times players end up playing a human with pointy ears or a drinking problem and that’s the extent of their “elfiness” or “dwarfiness” With what WotC is doing, I don’t think anyone can truly relate, and I believe this is as much a factor in why campaigns peter out after 6 months as anything else. Relatability. WotC has missed the target as badly as trans story time at your local library.
Definitly the reason we had no dwarves, gnomes, elves and halflings in BECMI or in ADnD s PHB. And i see not any difference between a loxodon and and elf or an half orc. We had Orcs and Trolls as PCs for decades, see Palladium, Shadowrun and Earthdawn
The fact all of the races are humans with pointy ears is just a demonstration that Gygax was correct. Most characters ought to be human, so most characters end up just being effectively human.
@@innocentsmith6091 Yes likely that each of those represent a Facette of human behaviour is what makes them interesting. In the great war we all were orcs.
The failure of the recent D&D movie I feel was directly related to the fact that Ed Greenwood wasn’t involved. He should have been a consultant and had a cameo appearance as Elminster. That would have been amazing.
I backed C&C reforged. No more money to WoTC, especially in their electronic format. I have soooo much older edition stuff I never played right, I want to do that too, either 1E or BECMI. As for the new art, it is so pastel and soft, and boring. I need edges. That’s why the old school black and white drawings from Jeff Dee, Sutherland, D.A.T. and others are so attractive, and the vibrant colors of artists like Erol Otis, David Sutherland, Dave Trampier, and Bill Willingham are so central to pulling me into the fantasy worlds of great writers like Gygax and Arneson, Ward and Carr, Kuntz and others. WoTC is just debasing themselves by crapping on the past.
Noooope! I still play 1e & 2e D&D, otherwise its mainly LotFP and Apocalypse Rat (beta 2.0), but I'm trying to get my group to diversify their TTRPG portfolios, and eventually we'll branch into Mörk Borg (sick!!), and Pirate Borg.
Great video, may be i'm bias in this but the 3rd edition art was the very bestfor me. Lokwood in general, Wayne Reynolds every here and there, and Wayne England in artfacts!
Eh, there are some thing I use and convert for use at my table's C&C game. Mostly 3rd party stuff because there are some sourcebooks that are miles ahead of anything WotC has put out in the past few years.
I'm a fairly new TTRPG player (3 years ish at this point) who grew up on Tolkien, Pre-Disney Star Wars (eventually the Disney stuff too) and Bungie Era Halo. I'm at least willing to "try" the new books (free book pdfs are so easy to come across these days frankly) and I kept up with the playtests for the 24/25 books. I'd say a fair bit of the art I've seen is fine, some bits are questionable and there's a couple pieces I'm just like "Okay what even is this?" I actually got the 50th Anniversary Arts and Arcana book and have been steadily thumbing through it and it's really nice to see some of that older art and history behind the game. Some of the 2e, 3e and 4e designs for monsters feel leagues better than 5e.
I have in the last 5+ years backed no less than 14 crowdfunding projects that were TTRPG's. From independent to small group creators. I got plenty to keep me busy when my current campaigns end next year. Not going to invest in 5.5. but perhaps it's lifespan will be shorter than 4.0...maybe we can hope for 6.0...? 😂
Fun Fact: the first RPG session with a woman, which was a Braunstien game and the second session played, almost had the player booted for not knowing what they were doing. This was back when the rules didn't exist. Basically, she didn't know enough about the setting (which you could learn of by picking up any history book) and made a lot of mistakes because she didn't know about the politics of the era.
Almost booted? That’s not how I recall it from Secrets of Blackmoor. I recall her lack of knowledge lead her to forge an unexpected alliance and shuffle up the game. Seems as intended. Maybe not in the moment but def by today’s standards.
It’s fantasy. There’s always been fat characters in fantasy who are more agile than fat people in real life. It. Is. Fantasy. Real life people can’t cast cone of coldness either.
In my experience most gamers over indulge in chili dogs, devil dogs, corn dogs and all manner of food dogs and they are not represented in the art at all. Overweight white guy heroes are missing. Where are they in the art?
Regarding Tasha (the 'witch' on the left in the first art shown), Mr Welch had 2 entries on his list of 'Things Mr Welch Is No Longer Allowed To Do In A RPG' 2604. I will remember that the Queen of Demons [Tasha] is now a reformed fairy queen and not attack her on sight before she can start the introductory exposition. 2605. When the reformed Queen of Demons asks us if there's any questions after the introductory exposition, I will not ask her about any of the millions of deaths she's responsible for. :)
5:15 "Try not to make it, like, a white blonde guy. Like, please, like, we...we love em', but, there's like five-hundred million of them." "Try not to make it, like, a brown guy. Like, please, like, we...we love em', but, there's five-hundred million of them." One corporate philosophy is racist and the other is not (at least, this way of thinking holds true for Wizards of the Coast and their employees).
The thing I don't understand is this... The audience they are trying to cater to, they don't like to spend money. That audience over and over says they want all this messaging in their games, comics, movies, t.v., sci-fi, fantasy, horror, etc... BUT they very very rarely support these companies financially when they cave to them. And it makes sense a lot of these more left-leaning people are anti-capitalist. Why would a group like that support you financially? It's also been proven over and over that just sticking to your guns and avoiding politics (Not even going right politically just trying to avoid politics if you can.) That people just throw money at those people, like hand over fist.
Aside from the political nonsense, the painting with the Mexican orcs is one of the worst things I've ever seen lol. And yes, warriors need to look heroic! not like people we see at the office on Monday morning
Straight up have just stopped giving WotC or Paizo any of my money. I've been looking into Hackmaster 5e and Harnmaster (I like Castles and Crusades as well, but it's a bit simplistic for me being a 3.5e veteran)
they never go broke. they get unlmiited funding by the tribe that owns all the banks. White western Cultural destruction is all they are interested in.
Brian Snoddy and Ben Thompson are making some amazing old school adventures for D&D. They look and play like the modules of the past. They both have nothing but disdain for the way Hasbro has taken the game. I think they have 5 adventures released as of this writing.
DC20 (Kickstarter ends in a few hours, I think) is my modern D&D going forward. I have different indie games for different genres and flavors, and I’m designing my own stuff. I’m only one customer, but WotC has lost me.
I haven't bought anything WotC since the OGL debacle. I won't be buying anything WotC in the future unless some serious changes are made on their behalf.
"Oh boy, we can fight some Drow!" They welcome you with open arms, and love tourism in the Underdark. "Goodness me, a horde of Goblins rampaging through town!" Actually it's their harvest festival. They've got treats for everyone! "Uhh... Can I get a weapon from the blacksmith?" He's too busy making wheelchairs. "Hey DM, do I see any straight White humans?" NO! Get out of my mother's basement right now!
Technically nothing, but the style makes it look like it belongs on a young adult novel. It's not D&D art. What IS D&D art? I defer to Ed Meese when talking about pron, "I know it when I see it".
@@DiversityDragons D&D art is not just one thing. I'm a big fan of Frazetta and Elmore's legendary works but there is space for the new art to exist too, it doesn't have to be either or. Why is art that includes other types of people/body types/ color a problem for you? I'm genuinely curious because I just dont get it.
@@DiversityDragons The amount of time you spent in this video complaining about women, I think it's you who may have your key stuck in the closet door.
European men made the world to a better place with their inventions, science, medicine and etc. This men gave every form of higher entertainment to all people, like movies, stories, theater, comics, complex polyphone music and etc.
@@thodan467 Yeah i will tell that to the Caucasian men who wrote the Gilgamesh Epos. And yes i will also tell it to the Indo-European men that came from Eastern Europe to Iran that we call the Aryans and later to India (around 1500 BC) and wrote the Mahabaharata in Sanskrit, which is an Indo-European language and mostly related to Balto-Slavic languages.
@@thodan467 Gilgamesh epos was only written in part by the Sumerians (3000-2400 BC), while Akkadians (2400- BC) wrote and complied the rest. Modern genetic analysis shows that the Afro-Asiatic people migrated from the Northern Caucasus region (around 12k BC Europe) to Anatolia. And from there, they spread (8500 BC) with the animal husbandry to the Middle East, Africa and towards India. Or at least their genes for the color of the eyes and skin. Btw. The Middle East and Anatolia was dominated by the R1b Y-DNA Haplogroup that is most common in western europeans, like the Irish. And where do the Aryans count as Caucasians? Everywhere. Even the WW2 Germans thought of them as their predecessors. Not only do they count as Caucasians, but they do even further count as Indo-Europeans that descended from the Yamnaya (3300-2600 BC) and Corded Ware (3000-2350 BC) culture and this is as good as being directly from Europe: 1) The ancestors of the Aryans came from North Eastern Europe (2600 BC) out of the Corded Ware culture over the Ural to Asia and formed the Sintashta culture (2200-1900 BC). From this region they spread to Iran and India as the Aryans. 2) They have the R1a Y-DNA Haplogroup that is related to the Slavic and Scandinavian R1a Y-DNA. 3) The genetic analysis of the males of the Sintashta Culture showed that they are mostly related to the Irish (over 40%) and Scandinavians (over 25 %), while the rest is distributed around Norther-, Central- and Eastern Europe. 4) They speak a language and use symbols that originated from European Corded Ware Culture. I could go on, but i think that i have made my point.
Boycotted WotC years ago now. Final straw was them going after the artists for Magic. Crap AL adventures, crap everything really. Just watching it all burn down.
I had the new PHB for about 48 hours now, its the worst art of any book I have purchased (started buying and playing D&D in 1991). I have yet to dig into the book. I was going to buy the new PHB regardless of what I thought about it, my 1st impression is hard pass, I am never using this material, and this could be the last book I do buy from wizards of the cost.
Why tf would you do that? lmao
The 2024 art reduces all races to cosplaying humans from advertising diversity checklists.
My biggest problem isn't that there is too much physical diversity.
Im most upset by what seems like the lack of tonal diversity.
Newer D&D editions just get lighter and more colorful, everyone is confidently smirking. Which isnt bad, you do need breaks and happier moments to balance things out, but where are the old enigmatic things?
Ruins, dead civs, old evils, forces cryptic and beyond the material plane.
There use to be almost a horror when depicting your adversaries.
Cultists in dark caves with obscure unknown symbols carved in to flesh and stone.
Like that image of Kyuss (the large cloaked figure in the burning town) invokes dread. Old ancient horror.
Hell come to your hold, to devour and despoil. The guard are utterly overwhelmed by his size and the whole scene is a nightmare.
The only time you will know how brilliantly you shined as a hero, is when your measure is tested by the darkest realms.
DIEversity in DnD is exactly like "diversity" and "multiculturalism" everywhere else it's toted. It's a big fat lie. Merely a cudgel to attack everything wholesome, normal, and white. Their art is stupid because all they want to play is gay sims, not DnD. It's bland because they are bitter mental midgets. It's ugly because it is entirely wrapped up not on bringing different people to a war game, but entirely on hating whites.
I can't wait to play a G A Y Dwarven Fighter who specializes in cookie sheets and ranged muffins
I'd love to see a feat based on ranged muffins...
Or how about a spell? "Petrify muffin" (Wiz 2): turns muffins into +1 sling bullets for 1 round/level; +2 if baked by a gay dwarf...
Has anyone noticed the amount of smiling faces in all the art pieces?
It's like their trying to show their having a good time and we should be having a good time as well.
Dungeons & Dragons: Adventures at the Golden Corral
I almost spat out my drink at the picking up henchmen is now easier.
I have a friend who worked at Hasborg until the last culling, she said that there is mass panic at WoTc among the staff but Marketing and Upper management has this snide "Of course it's going to be a massive success" attitude...I can't wait until the cold pimp slap of reality sets in.
Personally I am crazy excited about Castles & Crusades Reforged...it will be the closest thing to what D&D would have become had WoTC not pissed all over the IP.
Maybe it will be a success, but DC20 has become my modern D20 design of choice. There are so many good indie games now, and not all of the creators hate me. 😃
Love me some Castles and Crusades. Just wished that reforged kept more of the 70s/80s style art
I think I actually took psychic damage watching this.
This made me laugh. Thanks. I think I lost a hit point.
Minus 10 to charisma.
That's why I started playing the classic D&D (Rules Encyclopedia, the holy grail of RPGs) again.
That is one of the best books I have ever purchased.
I absolutely LOVE their new direction! They've done more to convince people to try other games than I've been able to in years!
Yes I encourage their choice of direction! It helps many others!😂
Shoutout for Shadowdark! We switched to it from 5e and have had nothing but good times. Very approachable for both 5e ans OSR gamers and compatible with all types.
Best of all the creator and contributors dont have you for your sexuality or skin color. All are welcome for town carousing as it should be.
Yeah I tell everybody if you're going to play something like 5e just play shadow dark.
I just ordered the HC/Digital combo, but I'm waiting till August for the HC (backorder). From what I've absorbed so far, it's very mechanically streamlined and the art and page layouts are nice too. There's even a quality section on Deities, which would be helpful to those without a pre-chosen campaign setting. Shadowdark packs a lot in one book, and does it well. Great stand-alone, and jumping off point for home brewing.
Two thumbs up on Shadowdark imho.
The fat elf squatting is the seeing eye dog (furrries) for the blind player of color right next to her, it? They? The PoC with their seeing eye cane +3
That is what you saw in that image? Interesting read. So maybe with art we see what we bring to it?
Which is why I play Old-School Essentials Advanced Fantasy ❤
I thought she was a stout female dwarf? She's an Elf??!!
The art of the new 6th edition is unnerving as it feels like it sits in the uncanny valley of realism, still very likely to be all AI or based on modified AI.
100%
How is it unnerving?
WOTC will not get one cent from me.
Me either. Not one.
Racists Of The Coast. LOL 😂
Why?
@@hitthegoat Z
Yup
I've listed all my 5e stuff.
I've been collecting vintage dnd modules and books. Been playing other games and what not.
I have moved from D&D 5e to Runequest. I still play AD&D from time to time but Runequest is now my main TTRPG. The new artwork that WotC has planned for the new edition is horrendous.
Runequest has always been my favorite fantasy rpg, welcome!
@@Cliffothebig Thank you :) I love it that it has so much lore.
Runequest was/is the bomb. I play Rolemaster myself. Seeing what they done to D&D brings a tear to mine eyes though.
@@Grim119119 agreed, I refuse to give WOTC a penny more
I don’t think they are using AI in all their art (the covers definitely are AI). But I do think they are using an AI prompt to send out to their artists.
“Make a diverse D&D adventuring party”, get a response, hit copy/paste and send out the Email to their artists. Someone said they all look like corporate team building photos; which when compared side by side. Yeah they totally do. That wyvern piece, that’s a banger though.
Note that the drow (even Lolth herself) are no longer dark skinned but are now purple-white? WotC has whitewashed the drow...
I remember back in the early 80s when I discovered some science and decided that all the Drow in my games hence were to have transparent skin.
My players were more horrified than I expected.
Truly amazing fun. Alas I still played them like humans. Being one myself.
@@philh8259 your players could see their insides?
Ooh drow with semi transparent skin where you can see their bones or maybe the lloth sworn adopt arachnid like features. I dig it.
That sounds awesome.
I think ACKS II will be a sleeping giant of a game and worthy replacement.
Hear Hear! ACKS is built for the long haul.
I hope so.
Cultural vandals (one of Doomcock's favorite phrases) does seem to be an apt label for the current "creative" team at WotC/Hasbro.
Grave Robbing Defilers
Just like every victor in every war.
@@philh8259 Who won? Wotc isn't making Dungeons & Dragons, they just slapped the label on. That why we left and the OSR was born.
According to my teenage nephew and his gaming group and thier GenX Dad DM, they are sick of wotc and more people by the day are seeing it for the pandering corporate trash that it is. Their group isn't going to play the new edition, they are going back to either real D&D (TSR Built), Shadowdark and Dragonslayer.
It's kind of like trying to convince margarine-eaters that a way better product is out there and has been all along. They don't have to eat turkey-fattener, just give butter a chance.
People are figuring out the connection between corporate ownership, DEI intrusion into thier hobby by Fund Managemnent Corporations with a DEI agenda. I avoid purchasing corporate products, I prefer to buy second hand with cash, and avoid any tribute making its way to Blackrock aka "The Evil Co."
Those too enthralled by corporate D&D to jump ship to the OSR, I liken to Chrysler brand loyalists that still bought Chrysler brand even when the company was bought-out and they're built in a crappy Italian car factory. Fiat is producing a way junkier product, but they've always got the loyalty of the Chrysler-enthralled buyers. The Chrysler logo makes the product "A" okay.
@@philh8259These are battles. Final victory in the war is contested. People are waking up and changing ways.
Every bad piece of WoTC art just reminds how great Greg Gillespie is at curating the Dragonslayer RPG art
Yeah that art is chefs kiss. Shadow dark is very good in the main as well.
+1 for Dragonslayer - I bought it for the kickass trailer and the book is absolutely fantastic. Best art I've seen in a book in decades.
Baptism of fire looks good. ACKS imperial imprint is also stellar.
@Coyote1911 Very excited for ACKS II, the kickstarter material looks great!
The more I see, the less I want it.
Why?
@@hitthegoat 5e has a lot of bloat, this looks even worse from what I've read.
I left WotC behind years ago when they dropped 4th edition and 5th edition. You dont need them. They do need you.
Imagine when they hear that in the 1970s there were policeman, fireman, infantryman, artilleryman and all kinds of other xxx-man.
TRIPLE "X" MAN is my favorite! i use to to want to become one of those
I was an infantry marine, all men. They tried putting females in the infantry and it always fails
"Ak-shu-ally, the accepted term now is 'people of [police/fire/infantry]'."
@@LanceCriminal1337the go five seconds of your life without mentioning you’re a marine challenge: utterly failed. Why don’t marine idiots always have to mention that you’re a marine? My dad was a marine and that was his entire personality. Now he’s a retired grumpy dork with zero hobbies because he never bothered to get an interest in anything other than bragging about being a marine.
Also, provide evidence that women fail in infantry. I fucking dare you.
I feel sorry for boys growing up today and not having Elmore, Clyde etc. Cultural rot. I still think AI was used in these pieces. They look off. Or it’s just bad art.
yes, I thought the same about some of those pieces. If Not purely A.I., maybe A.I.-assisted.
I have a young son, it’s my duty to raise him and show old stuff that he can read, watch, and play with. All of today’s media is anti men, and anti boy. I won’t allow it
I agree... the art looks entirely off. Like a lot of new music today... it does feel soul less, flat or tepid but I do not think it is based on some infiltrating agenda.
I think it is a much worse thing that we have yet to comprehend. AI is an aside but perhaps a definite aspect... like looking at video game uncanny valley realism... they are all corpses.
Likely AI and talentless leftists artists
@@LanceCriminal1337Being a proper good Farther, keep it up and have more Sons!
I mean, it's pretty obvious they took the idea of 'fantasy' and lost the concept of it as an art form and instead took it in the more literal form - like this shit is pure fantasy
The entirety of DnD was always pure fantasy. So I guess you are fine with dragons, but female warriors and orcs wearing what could possibly be construed as slightly Hispanic attire are a bridge too far?
@@hitthegoat stop eating paint chips. They aren't like real chips, even if they come in a mexican bag with a sombrero on it.
haven't given them money since 3.5
Roger that! We play a blend of 3.5/PF1.
I haven't bought a new off the shelf product from them since 1997. Though I happily buy off the secondary market.
I saw a comparison of new art compared to corporate photos of meetings. They look identical, and then some do t make sense with how weapons are being held and swung
I noticed that as well. One had a short character swinging a maul. Yet simply following the path of the swing, you know it will hit not with the head of the maul but rather the back of the maul!
I’ve left modern D&D and am trying more old school stuff. Finally found an AD&D 2e game so pretty excited for that.
I need to watch that interview where for the first time in almost 40 years of being around this game i heard someone call a fighter/warrior/whatever called a "fighting man".
I jumped ship from WotC around D&D 4e. Fucked around with Pathfinder, but now? I'm all in on the OSR. I have a Worlds Without Number homebrew setting ready to rock: There is no fruity Rousseau "noble savage" bullshit in Cassea. Everyone's freaked the fuck out because magic's no longer working as well as it used to, they've been invaded by the rogue psychic war-dolls of the techno-fey, and a civil war in one of the largest kingdoms has turned vast swathes of previously fertile land into a cursed moor where the restless dead rise every year to repeat their final battle or possess the native macaques to take up arms against the living. Eusocial coconut crabs! Carnivorous bunnyfolk with IEDs! It's a world in need of fucking heroes, because Wizards of the Coast wants everyone to have a bloody bake sale!
How DARE THEY steal a classic game, turn it into a woketard piece of shit, and then say WE are no longer wanted. All I have to say as a gamer who is as old as him, ROBILAR LIVES! - DETH TO W.O.T.C..
I was just saying the exact same thing!
I have the core 5e rulebooks and my own imagination which can last me forever.
I don't know if "Bad" art is necessarily such a bad thing. Early D&D had kinda shitty art. But I adore those black-and-white notebook doodles from back then. Modern art is corpo slop.
I completely agree that there needs to be more fantasy in fantasy games and stories. However, there are a lot of stories based in true events that would also (with minor alteration) be an entertaining enhancement for these campaigns. Those stories are typically set in war, or rescue, or other life and death struggles, and not in coffee shops and street festivals.
i stopped buying Dungeons and dragons when they switched to 3rd edition. I will not buy modern Dungeons and dragons. Especially since it was never made for me as an old white man who played in the 80s as a child. the irony is we did not care about you gender or skin color of our fellow players. or your sexuality.
I play other systems when i roleplay anything other than osr AD&D 2nd. My preferred is palladium system.
The new art is, by and large, gutless. It isn't diversity that is bad, it's the blatant insincerity with which they approach it. Utterly gutless.
That has to be the fattest elf in the history of fantasy. They are slim, lithe, and quick. She looks like the donut thief.
Maybe they are a Half-Elf?
Wow!!! You saw an elf chick?? In REAL LIFE??! OMG, please, do tell me where to find them! They seem to be so elusive these days!
I just had another thought. How is WotC going to work one of the premier Dragonlance heroes, Tanis Half-Elven into the "iconic heroes" or whatever they're calling them, with the expulsion of half-races?
It's simple... we eat Venger.
As long as there has been Art, there has been terrible Art.
As we discussed last week... it's not about what the art is for them... it's about what/how many checkboxes the Artist can hit.
and Commies ALWAYS destroy... you have to Get rid of the olds to replace it with your garbage.
Latino, latina, latinx, latinorx
Wotc new art and even the art in 5e suck and does not resemble anything from the iconic TSR era. Don't forget they didn't even mention Gygax or Arneson in the 5e core rule books!! I'll stick with my B/X books and Descending armor class!
A big issue is relatability. Gary Gygax stated in the DMG (I’m paraphrasing) that most characters would be human and that no characters should be monsters due to the lack of relatability. Even players who were allowed to play as a monster would eventually lose interest due to this important aspect. Presently, I am trying to work through several different PC options like elves, dwarves, etc. just to present them as vastly different from humans. I think most times players end up playing a human with pointy ears or a drinking problem and that’s the extent of their “elfiness” or “dwarfiness”
With what WotC is doing, I don’t think anyone can truly relate, and I believe this is as much a factor in why campaigns peter out after 6 months as anything else. Relatability. WotC has missed the target as badly as trans story time at your local library.
Definitly the reason we had no dwarves, gnomes, elves and halflings in BECMI or in ADnD s PHB.
And i see not any difference between a loxodon and and elf or an half orc.
We had Orcs and Trolls as PCs for decades, see Palladium, Shadowrun and Earthdawn
The fact all of the races are humans with pointy ears is just a demonstration that Gygax was correct. Most characters ought to be human, so most characters end up just being effectively human.
One could even say GMs are not up to the task of portraying any non human sentient being due to a lack of relatability.
@@innocentsmith6091 Yes likely that each of those represent a Facette of human behaviour is what makes them interesting.
In the great war we all were orcs.
The failure of the recent D&D movie I feel was directly related to the fact that Ed Greenwood wasn’t involved. He should have been a consultant and had a cameo appearance as Elminster. That would have been amazing.
I backed C&C reforged. No more money to WoTC, especially in their electronic format. I have soooo much older edition stuff I never played right, I want to do that too, either 1E or BECMI. As for the new art, it is so pastel and soft, and boring. I need edges. That’s why the old school black and white drawings from Jeff Dee, Sutherland, D.A.T. and others are so attractive, and the vibrant colors of artists like Erol Otis, David Sutherland, Dave Trampier, and Bill Willingham are so central to pulling me into the fantasy worlds of great writers like Gygax and Arneson, Ward and Carr, Kuntz and others. WoTC is just debasing themselves by crapping on the past.
On the 5e player handbook a female wizard has a 5oclock shadow, it's subtle but they were slowly injecting this crap in there
What do I think of 5E and beyond? I switched to Savage Worlds.
Noooope! I still play 1e & 2e D&D, otherwise its mainly LotFP and Apocalypse Rat (beta 2.0), but I'm trying to get my group to diversify their TTRPG portfolios, and eventually we'll branch into Mörk Borg (sick!!), and Pirate Borg.
Great video, may be i'm bias in this but the 3rd edition art was the very bestfor me. Lokwood in general, Wayne Reynolds every here and there, and Wayne England in artfacts!
Not my favorite, but I definitely liked and respected it!
I regret buying the 5E books I already purchased. Tried to look past the BS but eventually got sick of it.
Bought the books, played 5E ONCE, and promptly donated the books to my FLGS as a tournament prize or whatever. Good riddance!
Eh, there are some thing I use and convert for use at my table's C&C game. Mostly 3rd party stuff because there are some sourcebooks that are miles ahead of anything WotC has put out in the past few years.
Orcs come from Roman mythology it was a curse by Orcus for doing bad things to corpses
I'm a fairly new TTRPG player (3 years ish at this point) who grew up on Tolkien, Pre-Disney Star Wars (eventually the Disney stuff too) and Bungie Era Halo. I'm at least willing to "try" the new books (free book pdfs are so easy to come across these days frankly) and I kept up with the playtests for the 24/25 books. I'd say a fair bit of the art I've seen is fine, some bits are questionable and there's a couple pieces I'm just like "Okay what even is this?" I actually got the 50th Anniversary Arts and Arcana book and have been steadily thumbing through it and it's really nice to see some of that older art and history behind the game. Some of the 2e, 3e and 4e designs for monsters feel leagues better than 5e.
I have in the last 5+ years backed no less than 14 crowdfunding projects that were TTRPG's. From independent to small group creators. I got plenty to keep me busy when my current campaigns end next year.
Not going to invest in 5.5. but perhaps it's lifespan will be shorter than 4.0...maybe we can hope for 6.0...?
😂
$200. WotC bros I'm not feeling so good.
Fun Fact: the first RPG session with a woman, which was a Braunstien game and the second session played, almost had the player booted for not knowing what they were doing. This was back when the rules didn't exist.
Basically, she didn't know enough about the setting (which you could learn of by picking up any history book) and made a lot of mistakes because she didn't know about the politics of the era.
Almost booted? That’s not how I recall it from Secrets of Blackmoor. I recall her lack of knowledge lead her to forge an unexpected alliance and shuffle up the game. Seems as intended. Maybe not in the moment but def by today’s standards.
You could learn very little about DnD out of an history book
Don't they know that people who are that fat aren't
very agile and prone to easily tiring out?
Samo Hung
It’s fantasy. There’s always been fat characters in fantasy who are more agile than fat people in real life. It. Is. Fantasy. Real life people can’t cast cone of coldness either.
yeah. diverse. meaning including EVERYONE. even white men. you leave them out, you're not diverse. you're exclusionary.
Agree with that! Though I do like to look around at all the lovely people.
Wizards of the coast can eat a chili dog.
Sadly they want us to eat real ones
In my experience most gamers over indulge in chili dogs, devil dogs, corn dogs and all manner of food dogs and they are not represented in the art at all. Overweight white guy heroes are missing. Where are they in the art?
Regarding Tasha (the 'witch' on the left in the first art shown), Mr Welch had 2 entries on his list of 'Things Mr Welch Is No Longer Allowed To Do In A RPG'
2604. I will remember that the Queen of Demons [Tasha] is now a reformed fairy queen and not attack her on sight before she can start the introductory exposition.
2605. When the reformed Queen of Demons asks us if there's any questions after the introductory exposition, I will not ask her about any of the millions of deaths she's responsible for.
:)
Hasbros stock has been dropping for the past ten days. About the same time the first images from the new players handbook was released.
Orc Vaqueros sound like they could be cool as fuck but these just look cringe
5:15
"Try not to make it, like, a white blonde guy. Like, please, like, we...we love em', but, there's like five-hundred million of them."
"Try not to make it, like, a brown guy. Like, please, like, we...we love em', but, there's five-hundred million of them."
One corporate philosophy is racist and the other is not (at least, this way of thinking holds true for Wizards of the Coast and their employees).
Too much junk in the trunk.
@JohnnyD69FG Hoarding, I'd say.
The thing I don't understand is this... The audience they are trying to cater to, they don't like to spend money.
That audience over and over says they want all this messaging in their games, comics, movies, t.v., sci-fi, fantasy, horror, etc... BUT they very very rarely support these companies financially when they cave to them.
And it makes sense a lot of these more left-leaning people are anti-capitalist. Why would a group like that support you financially? It's also been proven over and over that just sticking to your guns and avoiding politics (Not even going right politically just trying to avoid politics if you can.) That people just throw money at those people, like hand over fist.
I haven't given WoTC money for a long time :)
Aside from the political nonsense, the painting with the Mexican orcs is one of the worst things I've ever seen lol. And yes, warriors need to look heroic! not like people we see at the office on Monday morning
1:40 - I thought that was a pretty good depiction of a gelatinous cube.
D&D is for everybody? No, it isn't. Neither is any TTRPG. We shouod have gatekept the hobby harder and never let these weirdos into it.
Straight up have just stopped giving WotC or Paizo any of my money. I've been looking into Hackmaster 5e and Harnmaster (I like Castles and Crusades as well, but it's a bit simplistic for me being a 3.5e veteran)
Hasbro is going WOKE.. and later or sooner will go BROKE.
they never go broke. they get unlmiited funding by the tribe that owns all the banks. White western Cultural destruction is all they are interested in.
Brian Snoddy and Ben Thompson are making some amazing old school adventures for D&D. They look and play like the modules of the past. They both have nothing but disdain for the way Hasbro has taken the game. I think they have 5 adventures released as of this writing.
1:45 Wears a 'ring of create insulin, +10cc'
It's not D&D it's Diversity and Dragons! LOL
Except they exclude entire groups of people, notably white males. WOTC are bigots. Nothing diverse about D&D. I'm going with DC20.
2nd Edition ftw!
Didn't give a dime to Woke of the ca$h sins wokeloft and no intention to ever do so again .
Its all about the message now
DC20 (Kickstarter ends in a few hours, I think) is my modern D&D going forward. I have different indie games for different genres and flavors, and I’m designing my own stuff. I’m only one customer, but WotC has lost me.
Crown and skull!!! Nuff said! Making the switch now!
I haven't bought anything WotC since the OGL debacle. I won't be buying anything WotC in the future unless some serious changes are made on their behalf.
This is what D&D would have looked like in the Weimar Republic
who is this angry old man and why is he personally offended by a toy
I'm the guy whose video you're replying to, helping it reach more people!
Thanks, ticket-buyer.
@@DiversityDragons win for me, I promise to comment on every video if you promise to get angrier each upload
if all online engagement was like this we would live in a world of love and peace ✌
@@DiversityDragons Maybe you shouldn't have?
Is that a fat ghostbuster catwoman?!? Im confused.
"Oh boy, we can fight some Drow!" They welcome you with open arms, and love tourism in the Underdark.
"Goodness me, a horde of Goblins rampaging through town!" Actually it's their harvest festival. They've got treats for everyone!
"Uhh... Can I get a weapon from the blacksmith?" He's too busy making wheelchairs.
"Hey DM, do I see any straight White humans?" NO! Get out of my mother's basement right now!
What's wrong exactly with the witch with cauldron painting?
Technically nothing, but the style makes it look like it belongs on a young adult novel. It's not D&D art. What IS D&D art? I defer to Ed Meese when talking about pron, "I know it when I see it".
Nothing is wrong with it, this guy is just a gigantic fucking baby
@@DiversityDragons D&D art is not just one thing. I'm a big fan of Frazetta and Elmore's legendary works but there is space for the new art to exist too, it doesn't have to be either or. Why is art that includes other types of people/body types/ color a problem for you? I'm genuinely curious because I just dont get it.
@@dren5810 No, he's right: the atmosphere of that piece is all wrong.
I miss the art of Ted Lockwood. His work in the 3.5 Forgotten Realms book is *Chef's kiss* primo stuff.
I haven’t purchased anything direct from WoTC in years. They have nothing to offer.
Christopher Perkins: talented DM. Horrible person.
He is a white man, after all.
Much like Mark Hamill around 2016 "something" happened and turned him into a deranged leftest lunatic.
Dwarf Gay Bakers for the Win
What a strange thing to cry about. Could anyone explain how this affects the games you play at your table? Has it turned anyone gay??
No, just you.
@@DiversityDragons grandpa seething. This is why your wife left you.
@DiversityDragons Good one you're such a grown man.
@@DiversityDragonsdude just say you’re a racist. Say you’re a sexist. Own it.
@@DiversityDragons The amount of time you spent in this video complaining about women, I think it's you who may have your key stuck in the closet door.
European men made the world to a better place with their inventions, science, medicine and etc. This men gave every form of higher entertainment to all people, like movies, stories, theater, comics, complex polyphone music and etc.
Tell that those who wrote the Mahabharat, the Gilgamesh Epos,
@@thodan467 Yeah i will tell that to the Caucasian men who wrote the Gilgamesh Epos. And yes i will also tell it to the Indo-European men that came from Eastern Europe to Iran that we call the Aryans and later to India (around 1500 BC) and wrote the Mahabaharata in Sanskrit, which is an Indo-European language and mostly related to Balto-Slavic languages.
The Gilgamesh epos was made by the Sumerians IIEC and the Aryans do count where as Caucasians?
@@thodan467 Gilgamesh epos was only written in part by the Sumerians (3000-2400 BC), while Akkadians (2400- BC) wrote and complied the rest. Modern genetic analysis shows that the Afro-Asiatic people migrated from the Northern Caucasus region (around 12k BC Europe) to Anatolia. And from there, they spread (8500 BC) with the animal husbandry to the Middle East, Africa and towards India. Or at least their genes for the color of the eyes and skin. Btw. The Middle East and Anatolia was dominated by the R1b Y-DNA Haplogroup that is most common in western europeans, like the Irish.
And where do the Aryans count as Caucasians? Everywhere. Even the WW2 Germans thought of them as their predecessors.
Not only do they count as Caucasians, but they do even further count as Indo-Europeans that descended from the Yamnaya (3300-2600 BC) and Corded Ware (3000-2350 BC) culture and this is as good as being directly from Europe:
1) The ancestors of the Aryans came from North Eastern Europe (2600 BC) out of the Corded Ware culture over the Ural to Asia and formed the Sintashta culture (2200-1900 BC). From this region they spread to Iran and India as the Aryans.
2) They have the R1a Y-DNA Haplogroup that is related to the Slavic and Scandinavian R1a Y-DNA.
3) The genetic analysis of the males of the Sintashta Culture showed that they are mostly related to the Irish (over 40%) and Scandinavians (over 25 %), while the rest is distributed around Norther-, Central- and Eastern Europe.
4) They speak a language and use symbols that originated from European Corded Ware Culture.
I could go on, but i think that i have made my point.
Wizards can EABOD
There’s no reason to pick up this optional upgrade that is actually more of a downgrade
WOTC is cringe maxing
Black Aragorn.
Now I don't feel so bad about cancelling my preorder of the dmg and buying a copy of the Dragonbane Quickstart instead!
Great little game!
True the mix has changed gaming has become more diverse.
A little more, sure. But not nearly as much as people think.
Boycotted WotC years ago now. Final straw was them going after the artists for Magic. Crap AL adventures, crap everything really. Just watching it all burn down.
I'm sorry, who didn't see the writing on the wall back around 2018-2019? Tasha's and all the rest of that slop started coming out.