NEW Ultra Large Inverter Generator !! Genmax 17000 Watt beast and more EFI units!
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- Genmax came out with several more generators this year that are EFI and tri fuel. All generators shown are inverter generators except the 12500 portable units. And sorry for the chopped video, there was just so much!! Wanted to show key points on the units. Stay tuned! #inverter #genmax #generator #homebackup
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I bought the Genmax 10500 about a month ago. I did general testing, first oil change, and setup a connection in my shed. Very happy with it so far. I added a soft start to my air conditioner and this genmax will now run the whole house.
Nice, thanks for the feedback back
Wow, they've really stepped up their game. Having both an Inverter and Trifuel with a pull start is the optimal solution, especially for SHTF and outright grid down situations.
I live in Houston,Tx. and going thru the power outages here now. A while back I set up a 3800watt inverter genny converted to trI-fuel. NG has saved our bacon. Its nice Genmax is producing EFI and trifuel units. I am seriously considering these units. We need trifuel open frame units that are quiet as possible.
That beige enclosed generator got my attention. Hope they price them right and make bigger ones too
Good job Genmax. Good job Johnny. Keep the NG units coming!
If they're going to target automatic backup for home battery, they should include 48V DC battery charging built in. Don't need AC output, especially AC inverter output. That would be a gamechanger.
Ohhh just wait lol….🤫😉
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I have another video coming out Sunday of more stuff from champion , duromax and more!
Neat stuff! These products are getting better every year. I will be upgrading in the near future. Thanks to your reviews, I’ll make an informed and educated decision. Thanks Johnny!
Thanks Jeff. Another video coming Sunday with more products ! I had over 1.5 hrs of video footage. It was just to much so i trimmed everything way down and just hit some key points on some of the products.
Looks great!
Genmax came out with several more generators this year that are EFI and tri fuel. All generators shown are inverter generators except the 12500 portable units. And sorry for the chopped video, there was just so much!! Wanted to show key points on the units. Stay tuned! #inverter #genmax #generator #homebackup
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Genmax7250: amzn.to/3VCpfvC
Genmax4600 EFI: amzn.to/3VIFTdn
Genmax 3500: amzn.to/3VIG0FP
Cheaper options
Pulsar 10500: amzn.to/3PIrUjQ
Pulsar 7250: amzn.to/3IW86Wb
Pulsar 4000DF: amzn.to/3J2qI6U
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Man gen max just killing it with all this new stuff i’m pretty sure the big one would run my entire house all at once that would be pretty nice but for now I’ll just have to keep using what I have for back up. Thanks for the updates on these products. Keep them coming.
The question is if it makes sence to be able tu run the whole house at once. Most of the time you gonna be using maybe 1 or 2 kw so arount 10% of the rated capacity of this gen which will kill the fuel efficiency, hence you will need to store a lot more fuel compared to a smaller maybe 5kw generator, where you stil can use everytjing, just not at once.
@@towuma it would be nice to have 240 V for the summertime so I could run my heat pump for my upstairs bedroom but as it goes right now I have 6000 W continuous and 7000 W surge at 120 V, so with three windows shakers and the microwave and cooking on the grill. I can make it by fairly easy plus I have two refrigerators and freezers.
I agree!!
Yes lots of new items for sure.
eh, you can only use 12000w on a 50amp plug anyway
Tks JW
It's interesting to see what they're working on. I'm still hoping to see the ATS actually come out since it was part of why I paid $3,000 for the 10500 last year.
They are having trouble with USA NEC and UL listings. It’s very pricey
Thanks, Johnny. We still don't have the GenMax 4600 fuel injection generator!
I think they just got back in stock. Are you ordering one?
@johnnysweekends I called factory pure that was advertised in the unit and they say they don't have any of those
Genmax amazon website is on sale for limited time….amzn.to/49byWVa
Have you already reviewed the GM4000XiD, around 6:17 in the video? First tankless and modular generator and stackable 240v!?
Yea it can be series or parallel connection and use your own tanks.
Kinda a interesting set up
We need more larger Tri fuel inverters.
Oh they are coming!
I agree, the Honda EU7000 was king. I would love to see larger inverters and more competition means lower prices, hopefully.
How big ? 10kw on natural gas? At that point you can just buy a standby generator for almost the same price
@paxrom1 its not the same price at all. After you include a permit, an electrician to hook it up and then get it certified by utilities then also have gas hooked up and trenched as the unit needs to be 20ft from main dwelling. Then gas company needs to approve hook up. Most generac gens that are hooked up are $12-$20k. Pending size of the unit. And it stays with the home and could take a month before it full turned on.
I can wheel this out and fire it up right away. And can take with to the next home if I dont plan to stay.
@@johnnysweekends actually that's not entirely correct, the "hook up" is about the same for both if you're not going with a ATS. Also manufacturer requirement just state 1.5 - 5 ft away from building and structures so not sure if your 20 ft is a local ordinance, NFPA 37 § 4.1. 4 also only requires 5ft. Also you could disconnect the unit and remove it. Labor and hook up is not refundable let's say. but that's true with both type. Anyways I just wanted to stir the pot...
Nice...... would be a nice to have a gas /fuel propane. Burn rate per Hypothetical. 50% load on each of those generators.
Waiting for a gen max propane only portable generator. A slightly larger version of an Alp for RV solar backup. There has to be a huge market for this.
I agree I think it would be nice to have a 1500-2000 watt out put for propane and DC only…😲
@@johnnysweekends Definitely. There is a propane open frame out there I bought. But a portable lower power version that can back up a solar system would be ideal. Preferably with remote start and shut off.
Do you have a link for the Natural Gas Demand safety cut off valve you like?
Not exactly sure what you are wanting ? Ball valve ? From NG side?
When will the Gemmax 1700 be released, and at what price? Genmax’s website isn’t working at the moment so can’t find any info. Thanks!
I heard mid summer so like July sometime. No idea on price but it’s a big powerful unit so I assume at least $4000 ish..🤷🏼♂️
Interested in the GM9500itbx for home backup power. Any idea on the cost and release date?
No idea on cost yet but I think 2 months or so for this units is about when it will be ready.
@@johnnysweekends Thank you!
Same. The 9500itbx with largish propane tank and auto transfer setup to handle the building. And a 4600IAEDC for portable applications. Especially if they also release batteries (large and small) that automatically handle loads at night while sleeping. 😮
Johnny, did you come across the ATS I keep hearing is coming?
They are having trouble with UL certification…. Tons of money to do it. And time.
What’s the weight on the 17000? Did they have a price estimate or release time frame?
Weight is about 308lbs empty. I think about a month or so for the new 17000. No price yet. But being only the gas version it shouldn’t be to bad
Would you happen to know when the 17000 will be releasing?
I heard July , I think late July…🤔
I have not found any of them for sale anywhere? Thanks
It’s because it’s brand new and hasn’t hit the market yet. I mention some details on when and what we will see
When is that GM17000IE supposed to come out and will it put out enough power to charge an EV without paralleling it to another?
I think 2 months or less we should see it!
I’ll be doing some testing on that soon !! 😀👍🏼
Yes, it will run EV Charger the largest portable EV chargers are 40A 240V 14-50 plug. This generator is capable of 60A 240V
Do the Genmax come in 50Hz units?
Maybe the European ones and 240v but idk about 59hz
I can’t find the 17000 watt for sale anywhere online. ???
Not for sale till mid late summer
@@johnnysweekendsOh ok. Right after hurricane season ends. Perfect.
@janedawson1398 I know right lol
Do you have an estimated release date?
I think they said around mid summer so about July ?
I'd like to see a fuel injected 7,000 watt invert generator
That would be a nice size. 👍🏼
If these are largely all new EFI generators, does that mean they will be CARB compliant? This is a problem when you are in California, your generator selection is small because most generators are not CARB compliant. I would think EFI would make it a lot easier to get a CARB compliant certification.
What I think would be very handy, and this is touched on elsewhere in the comments, are 24V only for smaller generators and 48V only for larger generators with a wired in automatic start function and tunable max voltage for battery charging. The idea is say you have a 24V battery system for a small inverter or a 48V off grid power system, when the batteries get low, the generator can be automatically started and then the generator will run and charge up the batteries. DC-DC conversions can be very efficient and cheap hardware wise when done right. Especially if control can be setup with an off-grid solar inverter, say through RS-485 and Genmax works with the off-grid inverter manufacturers on a standardized generator control protocol, this could be a great way to add generator backup to an off-grid system.
This is for example there is no battery in the generator because say it is getting 48V from a battery bank running all of your stuff and normally listens for commands off of an RS-485 port while otherwise in standby mode. When the batteries get low, say on a cloudy day, the inverter commands the generator to start. Then as the generator is running, the inverter could decide say there is not that much demand right now, charge the batteries at a low rate and so the generator runs at a low, quiet pace, or say it is hot, muggy, and overcast, so the AC is cranking away, throttle up to a high power. As these off-grid inverters know exactly how much power is being used and how much power they need as well as exactly how much power they are getting off of solar panels and even have battery charge profiles for the time of day and can get specs off of everything on the RS-485 communication bus in order to make decisions on how exactly to do everything, they can precisely control the DC generator.
For say a poor man's 24V setup, maybe the generator senses for a "low voltage charge" window that is programmable, kicks on if the voltage is in this window for more than a few seconds (so say a hard starting motor doesn't trip it), and then the throttle can be manually adjusted while charging to a set cut-off voltage. The idea being if you unplug the generator or the battery develops a fault, it will not try to charge anything. But if it is plugged in and everything checks out, it will kick on when the batteries get low using the 24V link for power to start the generator, maybe rev up if it senses the batteries are draining faster than they are being charged, but otherwise just cruise along with whatever preset throttle setting you set for it with it being adjustable while the generator is running. So say your load is low, the generator will quietly cruise along and charge things up. But say you put a heavy load on your 24V system, it will detect the voltage dropping and then start revving up until either it gets back to that voltage or it hits max throttle. As demand drops down and voltage sense says voltage is going up, it could throttle down until it hits the cruise throttle setting and then lets the voltage climb again while cruising. Then at some point it detects that the batteries are charged, maybe some time is given to balance the cells while at a constant voltage, and then the generator shuts off. So the generator is a little smart on its own and the attached battery - inverter setup is completely unaware that this generator is there. One extra thing to add is the generator will need a clock and "time of day" operation function. So say you don't want the generator to run in the dead of night or say you are camping at a national park, you need to be able to program the generator to run in certain windows and charge up the batteries so you can coast along on batteries outside of these charge windows.
I think both of these modes of operation for DC only are important. One mode is you already have a smart device, say in your home or RV and it has the smarts to tell your generator exactly what it wants it to do. In this mode there is not much in the way of programming your generator because the smart inverter has all of the smarts to get its specs and then tell it what to do exactly. The other mode of operation is either you have a small stationary setup or a portable setup, the equipment you hook the generator to is not going to be "aware" of any generator, but you can set some parameters on the generator, say through Bluetooth or Wi-Fi to an app on your phone or through a control interface on the generator, and the generator will get the job done. Of course you can have both in the same generator. It is just if you hook in an RS-485 cable, the generator reverts to being remotely controlled by a smart device and without the RS-485 link, the generator switches to using internal programming to make decisions on how it is going to run.
While all of this may sound a bit wordy, in practice if a generator outfit can do this, I think it will be easy enough. One mode is you plug in an RS-485 cable and do the battery hookup and another smart device takes care of the rest. Maybe you even ask the solar inverter installer to configure in your generator for you and so you never even think about how it is done, it just works once they are done. In the other mode either you plug in some simple parameters on the generator for your batteries with the generator even having preset battery profiles, making it easy to get right and it runs in a 'simple' mode. Or you get out your smart phone, fire up an app, and do things like set generator run time windows and in general have full access to everything from the app. If you are doing this in your home, maybe you go over Wi-Fi, but out and about, you do this through Bluetooth.
When you look at all of this, I think this could become very popular. There are all of these people who are either off grid or if they are on grid, they still want a generator backup while leveraging their solar and battery gear to allow the generator to be small and cost effective and will want DC for added efficiency and lower costs because they only need one DC-AC inverter. If you are off grid, you really don't want the generator running too much because they will wear out quickly and use tonnes of fuel, making things very pricey. This would be a way to slash run time even if you don't have solar panels. To charge the batteries, going DC-DC is a lot more efficient than DC to AC inverter to AC charger to DC charging, so direct DC-DC charging will use a lot less fuel. For off grid, this should allow for small generators, an efficient DC-DC conversation, control to make sure things are charged up and ready for a night with the generator off, and in general lower cost because you only have one DC-AC inverter. For a small emergency power backup system, instead of having a generator droning along all day long burning lots of fuel, you can pull out your portable battery-inverter setup, have it run off of batteries until the batteries get low, and then the DC generator kicks on and charges the batteries back up, shutting off again once the batteries are charged. Especially if you have no idea how long power will be out for, maybe you find the generator never needs to kick on because the outage was short enough, but if it goes on for days and days, you efficiently use your fuel as the generator only runs when it needs to. This will also be fewer oil changes and air filter cleanings needed in the middle of a prolonged outage because the generator is only running when it needs to with batteries taking care of the rest of the time. Plus if you do need to do maintenance in the middle of a prolonged outage, you just continue to run off of batteries while doing the maintenance on the generator. For camping, the generator can run on a schedule automatically in time windows the park you are in allows for and the rest of the time you are running off of batteries. You can be free to say do a day long hike and come back to batteries that charged up over the lunch generators allowed time window as the generator automatically kicked on while you were out hiking and charged up the batteries while conforming to park regulations. At this the generator stays throttled back enough while charging batteries to stay within park noise regulations. If the generator detects a high enough state of charge for your batteries, maybe it skips running during charge windows, granted this can be a little tricky as LFP batteries have a fairly flat charge curve across most of its charge band. Maybe the generator can be hooked to a DC amp (current) meter on the load side to make better determinations on the battery charge level. (The idea being the generator already has a built-in volt meter, so if you program in your battery capacity, it can measure what the battery load takes out of the battery and use that to help estimate remaining battery charge even as load causes battery voltage to dip under load.)
Interesting, these generators look identical to the Harbor Freight machines.
Totally different machines
You can't get 60 amps out of a 50 amp outlet Johnny. Plus most folks have a 50 amp inlet running 6 AWG. I understand the math part but your still back feeding 12000 watts non surge.
Hello. Please clarify confirm. At 6:30 you say GENMAX is using engines that are NOT cast iron cylinder bore sleeved. That they are aluminum cylinder bores. Is this true??
Cast iron sleeved bores are a well developed technology that easily gives honed oil retention. Long life. Good adverse conditions wear life.
Aluminum works only with superior thick wear plating. Still it seems only the very best of OEM's like Stihl, Husquvarna, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Shindowa can get this plating right. The Chinese replacement cylinder jugs for these engines are now known to be short life fails.
I pull spark plugs and put a narrow magnet flex shaft pick up down to check for cylinder wall materials BEFORE I will commit to own and operate my generator and 4-stroke power equipments.
So not an "all" Chinese engines as aluminum cylinder bores.
Some. Many do have iron bore sleeves. All of my purchased, and used, made-in-China do have cast iron cylinder bores.
Only in handheld 2-strokes will I use aluminum plated cylinders. And then only from 1st class known manufacturers.
Steve Unruh
Genmax/dinking power uses aluminum bore in the small engines and medium. I dont know about the larger size units when you get to say the 7250 using a 312cc and the larger engine models. I need to confirm if they switch or not.
Most any popular generator engine manufacturer uses aluminum bore. Honda no and Yamaha no on the larger units but i think the small units they switched but not sure.
I would have to double check. But most others yes. But this can change from new model and size and more. Hard to keep up with what. You figure out of the smaller units 2000-3500 hours are probably your expected engine life. Some will get more some will get less, all depends how they are used and treated.
Most people dont put that many hours on them. And if the cost is half or less of buying a couple other brands then you are ahead hours wise and down time if you are repairing others. There will always be premium brands and budget brands in any line of equipment.
I do realize that there are different category of users with different life-use expectations. For the true off-grid living an inverter-generator can be from a 20 hours a day used Mini(needs to be quiet) to only 4 hours a day (can be noisy) as a poor solar-day battery bank supplemental. So they will put on min 240 to 7300 hours a year. And they are doing this real for 2-3-4 years on Harbor Freight 2000's thru 9500. With cast iron bore right down to the H.F. 2000 unit.
I agree brands will place themselves in the market where they choose to be.
I also have a combination of small four stroke air-cooled brands of equipments from 79.7cc to 600cc all with cast iron cylinder bores. Only one a H.F. 9500, for the deep well in fire seasons Grid shut offs. Oil changing frantic me with synthetics I get from a min 800 hours to a still running fine without oil consumption at ~2000+ hours usable life on these. Many are from cold hundreds to thousands of starts and warming up. That adds wear.
Sorry. Obviously GEXMAX does not have an interest in this market users section. A shame the new series connectable would be the thing for deep well users. Propane sip norm. Ramp up for well pumping into a cistern or tank.
I agree for the most part. I recommend buy Chinese clones, buy reasonable, buy three to be your own parts supplier.
Thanks for the response.
Steve unruh@@johnnysweekends
@Wood-For-Power1 are you sure the smaller predator 2000 watt unit is a cast iron or steel sleeve and not just bored aluminum ? Most of the small engines are. The predator uses a rato 80cc Yamaha clone. Which most 80cc are. But I never tore it down. I know aluminum is great for heat dissipation. I will have to dig deeper to see if the main Chinese engine manufacturers all do aluminum or cast/steel sleeves. Makes me wonder what the price difference is.
I bought a genmax gm 9000ied about a year ago from amazon. The generator never worked poperly and their customer service stop responding. It's just dead weight and a BIG dissapointment!. I should of bought a Honda instead.
Wow interesting, thanks for the feedback
How are you supposed to repair these generators? Most small engine shops won’t mess with Chinese items such as this.
They have a new head of service and warranty who is working with more and more shops. Many are starting to work on them for all the basics. Just call a couple local shops and see what they will or wont do. Might be surprised.
Stupid video i thought it was to be about big generator not the whole line