Both foam and inflatables have their pros and cons. Here are some additional thoughts and considerations... *FOAM* Pros: - Can also be used as a very convenient and comfy sitting mat during breaks or while cooking to insulate your butt from the cold/damp/snow//dirt/heat. Foam pads can also be ideal for people who do yoga out on the trail as well. - Because a foam pad is bulky (also see cons), by forcing you to strap it to the outside of your pack, it does have a minor side benefit of freeing up interior space for additional food and water if need be. Additionally, in some cases this may even allow you to buy a slightly smaller/lighter pack by not having to accommodate the extra space where an inflatable pad would normally go. This isn't the case with every situation, but with some ultralight hikers this could be the difference in being able to choose a slightly smaller, lighter pack. - Can be ideal for some back sleepers who may find a foam pad to be sufficiently comfortable and supportive for that sleeping position. - Foam pads offer a much quieter sleeping experience compared to most inflatable pads (see cons for inflatable pads), which can be an added benefit for not only yourself, but also if you're sleeping in close proximity of other people. - Can be used as a wind break around your stove for better and more efficient cooking (especially folding designs). - Foam pads are virtually indestructible, as there is nothing to leak or fail like with an inflatable pad. Things like rips and punctures do not affect the integrity or insulating qualities of a foam pad, and even if this does happen, it rarely ever needs any repair (unless the damage is large and repairs are easy). - Very easy to clean. Cons: - Foam pads are bulky. However, this is minor downside is dependent on if strapping it to the outside of your pack is really a big deal to you or not. But again, by doing this, it also has the side benefit of freeing up more interior pack space. - Foam pads have a lower R-value rating compared to inflatable pads and are generally not well-suited for colder wintertime temperatures (see pros for inflatable pads). - Generally, foam pads aren't as comfortable as inflatable pads, but this is purely subjective. There are lots of extremely happy foam pad users, but the only way to know is to try one under varying conditions to see if it's right for you. - May not be as well-suited for side sleepers, as the thinner thickness and compression of foam pads could cause more of a pressure point on your hip and shoulders (especially depending on the ground below you). This isn't the case with all side sleepers of course, but definitely something to take into consideration. *INFLATABLE* Pros: - Generally more comfortable than foam pads, particularly for side sleepers. But again, this is subjective. - The extra thickness and cushioning of inflatable pads are generally better suited for people who have back or hip discomfort, or who have other sleeping-related issues. - Inflatables are better suited for colder wintertime temperatures where you can select one with a much higher R-value than you're able to get with a foam pad. Inflatable pads with an R-value of 4 and higher are simply much better suited for winter conditions where you'll see temperatures of 20F and much colder. - Inflatable pads can even be used as a fun and relaxing floating raft for swimming while out on the trail or in town. But this is only a consideration if this is meaningful to you. Cons: - Inflatable pads tend to be be noisier due to the fabric and/or type of insulation inside. This isn't an issue for everyone, but it can be annoying for some people, and can even lead to a restless night's sleep for you and others near you. Foam pads tend to be much quieter than most inflatable pads, but the noise factor ultimately comes down to your overall threshold for noise levels while trying to fall asleep, and while sleeping. With noise levels produced around other people taken as a consideration. - Due to the fabric material, many inflatable pads tend to slide around, which can be annoying if you're the type of sleeper that tosses and turns as you sleep. Particularly for some side sleepers (like myself). This can cause parts of your body to not be on top of your pad, and therefore not be properly insulated, which can lead to annoyance and discomfort, or even a chilly awakening. Foam pads tend to grip and stay put much better. But not all inflatables will slide around as much. - By nature of their design, inflatable pads are more prone to failure due to slow leaks, punctures, ruptures, or even getting a hole in it from something like a cooking or camp fire mishap. Properly repairing them is not a guarantee, and depending on the model, they can be very expensive to replace while out on the trail as well. - Inflatable pads can take up additional interior space in your pack. This is dependent on your pack's design and overall layout, as some are able to store your rolled up inflatable pad on the outside, but not all packs and storage situations allow for that. So, in the event you need to carry your inflatable pad inside your pack, the space it takes up will have to be accounted for. Whereas, again, foam pads are strapped to the outside, which frees up interior space. Anyway, just some thoughts I had about the pros and cons of each. Cheers and happy trails!
Great info and perspectives ... thanks for posting! These days I've been doing a combo: foam on the bottom and inflatable on top, but it's winter so sub-zero F ... take care
@@metaspencer Yep, for sure. Even an inflatable pad can benefit from an additional foam layer, depending on the model of pad and overall conditions. Especially in sub-zero temps. I've generally been an inflatable kind of guy (I'm a side sleeper), but I've been wanting to give the Therm-A-Rest Z-Lite SOL foam pad another try before my upcoming thru-hike of the AT in next year. Ultimately though, there's no "right" or "wrong" choice either way. As long as it works for the individual, that's all that matters. 👍 Cheers.
I prefer the foam for all the same reasons but an additional one is when i sleep on a harder flat surface (like on a foam pad on the ground) I have far less back issues.
I love the comfort of the air mattresses but the noise they make and the possibility of a catastrophic failure (when you're days away from town) is why I've always chosen the closed cell pads.
I'm 53, and my longest time out on the trail has only been 7 days, 6 nights out. My pad is heavy, not sure, but when I bought it I was in great shape, and the extra weight verses the good night sleep was well worth the trade to me. Its 2 inches thick of foam, that will squish down to about 3/4 inch while rolling it up. It has 3 layers, 1 thin layer of compressed foam material, a thin sheet of mylar space blanket to reflect your body heat back. then the closed cell foam. It has a cover over it all so after each trip out, you can take the cover off and wash it at home in the laundry so the foam stays clean. I've had this pad now for about 25 years, and its still almost like new. I don't use it much anymore since the wife and I now have a small camper, but it still makes it out on a couple overnight hikes. I do know that when I did buy it, it was over $150.00. I bought it for comfort not light weight. My wanted a thermarest, and we bought him what he wanted. It held up good, he was happy with it, and I tried it a couple nights, but it just didn't give me the nights rest I wanted on the trail. In a year or 2 I'm hoping to do a 10 day float trip, so I'll be digging out my gear for it. Stay safe and enjoy what mother earth has to offer.
I never did any hardcore backpacking, just stuff with the Boy Scouts. Trying to keep up with the kids, I needed to get the best nights rest I could get. If I were to do a 2 or 3 week trip now, I would have to look at the lightest gear I could get. I've now got 2 bad knees, a bad hip, and 3 disks in my lower back that give me fits. That's why I got the camper, base camp, and 10-15 mile overnights from there. Have fun and enjoy nature.
Unless I missed it, you also left out the other big negative for the inflatable ones. To get one like the inflatable therma rest or the big Agnes ones you're going to spend 150 to 250 dollars. Even the therma rest foam pads are like 40 bucks. And the less notable brands are even less. For gear on a budget that's a big deal.
Funny how people place a price on sleep. Seriously? Quality, comfortable rest has a price limit? Not like we're talking about thousands of prohibitive dollars.
I bring two light sleeping bags with reflective inners, put one inside the other, and sandwich a self inflating sleep mat between the two which I lay on. That way I don't roll off the mat whilst sleeping. Under this, on the ground is a separate plastic tarp slightly larger than the sleeping bag to keep it all dry, with a reflective silvered top side I attached myself. I sleep in lightweight thermal long johns, thermal socks and thermal hat pulled down over my eyes and upper face. It all works very well.
That sounds like a great system. I've done a similar thing when snow camping and was very warm in the extreme cold. Good thinking and thanks for the info
@@metaspencer I am just getting into it. I am considering using a thermarest pad with a cheapo amazon air pad. Possibly use an emergency blanket somewhere in the mix as I am worried about R value with winter coming. I'm just not trying to spend a ton of money, especially on a noisey air pad. I am hoping the pad alone on the bottom ups the R value.
Any foam I’ve ever used got hard when it was really cold. The pad didn’t stay as cold as the outside but it was almost like a rock sleeping on. I guess it’s better that it was flat foam and not literal pebbles in my back. But I’ll take a super thick inflatable even if I have to pay double for it. And wrap it in a wool blanket.
I use a self inflating foam it’s less weight than a normal foam ,smaller in rolled size and just needs the brass valve opening to let it inflate or while rolling it up. If it was to get a leak the mat is still usable but I’ve never had a puncture , you can also add a few more puffs of air which makes it really comfortable if like me you are a bigger person.
A) The self-inflating pads are not lighter than the closed cell foam ones, they actually weigh about the same as a 3/4 length foam and a full size inflatible put together. Over twice the weight of a closed cell foam pad by itself. B) If they get a leak, they are absolutely worthless. I started with a self inflating pad, and it eventually got a leak while I was hiking. Flat as a pancake, no better than an inflatable pad with a leak. I'm not saying it is wrong for you to prefer a self-inflating pad. The one I had was more comfortable with a higher R-value than my inflatable pad. I'm just trying to correct some statements you made that are just not correct, lest somebody else read them and believe them.
I am in my 70's and most of my backpacking trips are over a week or less. That said, I prefer the inflatables for the comfort and the insulation they give in cold climates. I sleep on my side which is another plus for the inflatable. I enjoy taking my time during my hikes where I can take in the beauty of the area surrounding me. But each must do their own hike and kudos for those doing 30 miles days. I do carry a very small battery air pump (Therm-a-rest NeoAir) which does most of the work of inflating the pad. The battery will last the entire week and more. Total weight with batteries is about 2.2 oz and fits into the palm of your hand. The weight is especially worth it in high altitudes where I'm out of breath from the thin air. For me the nights are about comfort. I have to say I do have one complaint - although the noise doesn't brother me the inflatable is very loud when I move around. If with a group I try to set up my tent a bit away as to not disturb those lite sleepers. However, most of my backpacking is solo dispersed camping.
I hadn't heard about those battery powered pumps! Very cool that you've found a way to get the pad blown up ... I know that it can be hard. Waking people up in a tent is always tough ... great to hear from you! And keep on doing it! :)
the foam pad is good if youre a back sleeper, the extra folds can also be a pillow, and it can be used as a seat you can fold it in half and have your upper body on double the cushioning
The cold air between you could be solved by throwing a layer down under you sleeping bag. Just a thought. I have back issues so I need the extra padding. But after time they do lose their air in colder temp. Air compression of cold air through the night is enough to decrease the air over night even with outa leak. Just give it a little puff before you hit the sack will help.
Other thoughts: If you're a canoer you're less likely to lose the foam pad while the uninflated air pad may sink on you if overturnes. I've had pretty good luck with RidgeRest. They roll up so no seams like the accordion style you were using in the video.
I have used the Big Agnes air core, the seam split within a week. Thermarest z pad, too bulky and not comfortable. REI self inflating pad, not comfortable and too heavy and bulky. Exped Ultra lite, not warm and felt like a plastic bag that was gonna blow. For the past 5 years i have used the Exped Synmat 7 basic. It is comfortable, warm, durable, packs up small and only takes about 12 breaths to inflate.
I'm new into backpacking and actually trying to find out what equipment to buy. the price and confidence of foam pads is a huge win, but I'm still insecure about the R-value. I'd like to camp on colder places and while foam gives R values around 2, there are many inflatable ones around 5 and more.
If you're new I'd suggest starting with the simplest option and seeing if you like the experience of backpacking ... as time goes on get better gear if you keep doing it
This past year I did a few long trips on my motorcycle and camped along the way. I went with an inflatable Klymit Static V Recon pad because it was so small and lightweight when packed: 8"x3" and 18.6 oz. They're also fairly quick to inflate and not too bad on the comfort factor either. The R-value is 1.3 so probably not that great in colder temps; I was using mine in the summer. Just food for thought
I've been using a Klymit Static V (not the Recon, though) and loved the weight, the comfort, and the price - less than half the cost of any of the big name brands.
Nice review, thanks. I would say that the new quilted or waffle style inflatables are even more comfortable. Plus some of them even have a respectable amount of insulation to cut down on the chilling effect. I have an insulated Big Agnes similar to the ones shown and it is good. I recently got a Sea to Summit insulated pad and it is a HUGE improvement over and already comfortable Big Agnes. Next level comfort. However, your comments are still right on.
I have really good luck combining both. Using the foam pad with the reflective side up helps to bounce back heat and also helps quiet down the wrinkly noise and keep the air mattress in place.
@@pierreblaise9433 if you are ok with the acceptable comfort of a good foam pad (like I am), I'd say you should go for the peace of mind it offers, particularly in remote areas. If you are car camping, get the most comfortable inflatable. But if you are going to spend several nights in wilder areas, foam pads all the way. You don't have to worry about punctures, you can just rely on it, inside and outside the tent, on rough ground, near a camp fire, etc. You don't want to do that with a fragile inflatable.
I use Nemo Tensor Insulated. Very comfortable, and no noise at all. A bit of a challenge to get it in my country. Though I have been dealing with leaks frequently (I make sure I don't have anything with sharp edges in the tent) and its is a pain in a^^ and makes me consider getting a foam one instead, since once inflatable is leaking you can get cold and is uncomfortable to wake up in the middle of the night to blow it up or look for a leak and field fix it
I like my z-lite. I have the red Big Agnes as well. It’s not insulated so great for summer camping or adding on top of a cot. For backpacking I don’t mind the bulk of the z-lite. The R value is meh, but not the end of the world. Made it below freezing with proper clothing and bag. I am typically a side sleeper and the z-lite has its moments, just depends on the terrain underneath. I also folded the head side couple layers to prop my head up and can do the same at the bottom if I wanted a half-length version with added padding. I wouldn’t mind an air pad that is insulated because they are much warmer and very comfy, but for the money I will stick to my z-lite.
Good to see ya back buddy!!! :) What i use (now) is a combination of both of them. So i use a thin foam mat witch is foldable to protect the air pad from getting damadged while i´m sleepin on it. When i startet to backpack i was good by using a regular selfinflating foampad wich was about 3,5 cm thick. Now i´m really used to the comfort of a thick air pad, witch gives me a good sleep to recover. Both of them weighs nearly the exact same as my old one it self. What i did with my airpad was: i used seamgrip and sprikled/doted both sides of the fully inflatet air pad with the seamgrip so it was´nt that "slippy" anymore. Make sure that you do one side after another, to make sure that each side could fully dry out :) Keep on keeping on and all the best from Berlin/Germany
I think the combination method you mention is the way to go and would be very good on frozen ground or snow. The fact that these pads have gotten lighter, as you mention, is remarkable and great.
I´m wondering too that no one did it, but it works very good :) If you need pictures i could send you some of my "pimped" sleeping pads. You surley know those homesocks witch are "prepaired" with "rubberdots" to make sure that you do´nt slip when you´re walking around. It´s the exact same "method".
I too use the combination of a foam and inflatable. My inflatable is a sea-2-summit with the stuff sack also functioning as a pump sag, so inflation is no big chore. My foam pad also serves as a seat and longe around camp without having to fear punctures or sparks from a campfire.
The foam pads make your hiking pack stand straight up rather than fall over. They are lighter. They are faster to deploy. They are cheaper. I am fully on Team Foam - even if air pads seem to be the most popular thing going these days. Great video my friend.
I hate nothing more in life than deflating and rolling up my inflatable pad on a freezing day or waking up to a half inflated pad and sore hips so for me it's foam 100%
The night can be quite long when your uncomfortable.for me at least, I rather use the inflatable .sleep is to precious,a good nights rest makes a world of difference the next day.
Totally agree. Sleep is when our bodies recover from the days exertions. If you’re going to take a weight penalty, it should be in your sleeping gear...
For just camping I use a thick foam pad, just as comfy as an air pad but better... For camping when hiking I use 1 of my many small foam pads, works fine, never been a fan of air pads...
I cut some sections off my foam pad and I put it in my pack against my back witch helps as a frame for my pack and feels nice against my back and it’s not just sitting on top getting in the way.
Nice review! I tried a couple of the inflatable mattresses but they were way too noisy for me. They were like sleeping on a drum. Every time I moved all I could hear was echo and crinkling plastics. I think someone would do well with a camping pad review that includes this concern.
I want to use foam but I'm a side sleeper. I Don't think I could be bothered to dig dirt out for my hips and I probably wouldn't be able to line it up anyways. I'm really trying to work out a foam system that will work for me.
Awesome video, good info! Got a intex twin air mat. Don’t really mind the weight, However, it takes up too much space. Good to see this one packs down small!
I have a heavy self inflating, but my dog can walk on it without putting a hole in it. I think I'll have to get a foam for backpacking because he sleeps in the tent.
my first camping trip was in a snow storm and all i had for padding was blankets...miserable experience...got me a air pad and never looked back. in cold weather ground insulation is of the utmost importance...i refuse to use a foam pad unless it is nice and warm outside
I currently own two air sleeping pads, the Sea to summit comfort plus (insulated) and the Exped synmat hyperlite. I have never, ever, fallen asleep on any air mattress or those two sleeping pads. I tried combining two thermarest foam pads and even though those combined were more uncomfortable, I fell asleep. In my experience, when I lay down on an air sleeping pad, my lower back starts to hurt. That doesn't happen when I'm laying on a foam pad. So, for some reason, my back doesn't like an air sleeping pad. I do have back issues and I'm wondering if that has to do with something. Anyway, it really feels like a waste of money buying those air sleeping pads. Lol, I could've bought a great backpacking hammock for that money.
it's interesting to hear your experience ... I guess we all sleep differently and you've gotta go with what works for you! happy camping out there and good to hear from you
Inflatables get cold at night in cold areas. Obviously it's filled with air and at night when cold, air gets cold. So you are led on cold air. Fine for summer though.
How about one of those ultra-lightweight cots? At about 1,200 grams they're a bit heavier than a mat, but they have the advantage that you're not in direct contact with the ground, which I imagine must be good for heat-presevation purposes in very cold weather. A Chinese knock-off of the Helinox costs about £60 ($80) on Aliexpress.
No, I haven't, but I''ve just ordered one from China and will definitely try it in the winter. They're not that big when they're packed -- not as small as an air pad, but significantly smaller than a foam pad -- and a 600-gram penalty over the Thermarest doesn't seem excessive.
Inflatables come in much higher r-values than foam - it's the only choice for me winter camping, unless I'm car camping and I could layer multiple foam mattresses.
In my experience inflatables are stiff, and if you are on uneven ground you will slide off the mattess. Also super annoying to blow up on multiday hikes. Last time I used my inflatable it even punctured. Foam from here on out
So, I am right side sleeper & I use a foldable cot and I just went camping with our BSA troop and it was cold & miserable. Cold air went through the underside of the cot making me cold even though having blanklets over me. Would you think a double layer of eggcrate foam on the cot, would this also insulate me against the cold? As you mentioned inflatable ones are cold. Any suggestions? That night was miserable.
If you like a cot then try this. Get a hammock underquilt or a plastic poncho and attach either to the underside of your cot. Take a couple small rags, pop open one or two of those 8 hour hand warmers, wrap them in the rags and sandwich them in the space between underquilt/poncho and the underside of your cot. This will heat the space underneath you for a long time.
I've had many of those slippery, sliding nights myself ... so know what you mean. All of the foam pads I've used have much more traction on the sleeping bag, but with that said: you're gonna give up some comfort if you go with foam. Have you thought about adding or making a mat cover like this one? www.backcountrygear.com/sleeping-pads-accessories/exped-mat-cover.html I've also seen people attach the pad to their sleeping bag with thin bungees or velcro ... some sleeping bags even have a sleeve for the pad ... good luck!
I know this is out of context, but was wondering how hammocks are comfort wise..I bought a couple, havnt set them up yet, and won't for another month, but don't know anyone who has used them..thanks!
+Puma Bear ... I find they're not great after a few hours, but opinions differ. In cold weather you need to hang your insulation outside the hammock to avoid compression. I hope you like em!
@@metaspencer okay do you have any idea what I can use to sleep on the floor I don’t want a futon I just want to roll it up and sleep on it but I don’t want an air bed. And is the foam better to use as in like having comfort
I went air before, It's not for me. It's faffy, it's risky should it puncture why out on a week or two trip. I actually found air colder. It's like it traps the air within it becoming a big cold mattress. I've been foam for a couple years now. At first I suffered. I sleep on my side took a few camping trips to get use to it.
Had a few inflatables over the years but hate the constant threat of punctures. Ordered a z lite sol today and think it will be a good option for me for summer camping. I’ve slept on thin foam rolls before and slept well. 🏕 here’s hoping … 🤷♀️
Me again, back for a follow up. Over the last two years I’ve used both air mattresses and the Z Lite Sol Thermarest foam job I ordered two years ago. Prefer the foam pad, a mat I personally find deliciously comfortable. I guess you can take the child out of the sixties, but you can’t take the sixties out of the child - love my little Z Lite! 🙂
@@metaspencer I found out the hard way the other night that just my insulated air pad wasn't enough against the cold ground (snow), adding a foam pad would've helped out a lot.
On my most recent trip I tried two combinations: 2 foam pads and foam + air ... both combinations were amazing and very warm. The 2 foam pads were lighter.
I hear alot about comfort but I really have stiffness and feel every bump, toss and turn when camping. Any thoughts or experience with those issues? Thank you.
Both foam and inflatables have their pros and cons. Here are some additional thoughts and considerations...
*FOAM*
Pros:
- Can also be used as a very convenient and comfy sitting mat during breaks or while cooking to insulate your butt from the cold/damp/snow//dirt/heat. Foam pads can also be ideal for people who do yoga out on the trail as well.
- Because a foam pad is bulky (also see cons), by forcing you to strap it to the outside of your pack, it does have a minor side benefit of freeing up interior space for additional food and water if need be. Additionally, in some cases this may even allow you to buy a slightly smaller/lighter pack by not having to accommodate the extra space where an inflatable pad would normally go. This isn't the case with every situation, but with some ultralight hikers this could be the difference in being able to choose a slightly smaller, lighter pack.
- Can be ideal for some back sleepers who may find a foam pad to be sufficiently comfortable and supportive for that sleeping position.
- Foam pads offer a much quieter sleeping experience compared to most inflatable pads (see cons for inflatable pads), which can be an added benefit for not only yourself, but also if you're sleeping in close proximity of other people.
- Can be used as a wind break around your stove for better and more efficient cooking (especially folding designs).
- Foam pads are virtually indestructible, as there is nothing to leak or fail like with an inflatable pad. Things like rips and punctures do not affect the integrity or insulating qualities of a foam pad, and even if this does happen, it rarely ever needs any repair (unless the damage is large and repairs are easy).
- Very easy to clean.
Cons:
- Foam pads are bulky. However, this is minor downside is dependent on if strapping it to the outside of your pack is really a big deal to you or not. But again, by doing this, it also has the side benefit of freeing up more interior pack space.
- Foam pads have a lower R-value rating compared to inflatable pads and are generally not well-suited for colder wintertime temperatures (see pros for inflatable pads).
- Generally, foam pads aren't as comfortable as inflatable pads, but this is purely subjective. There are lots of extremely happy foam pad users, but the only way to know is to try one under varying conditions to see if it's right for you.
- May not be as well-suited for side sleepers, as the thinner thickness and compression of foam pads could cause more of a pressure point on your hip and shoulders (especially depending on the ground below you). This isn't the case with all side sleepers of course, but definitely something to take into consideration.
*INFLATABLE*
Pros:
- Generally more comfortable than foam pads, particularly for side sleepers. But again, this is subjective.
- The extra thickness and cushioning of inflatable pads are generally better suited for people who have back or hip discomfort, or who have other sleeping-related issues.
- Inflatables are better suited for colder wintertime temperatures where you can select one with a much higher R-value than you're able to get with a foam pad. Inflatable pads with an R-value of 4 and higher are simply much better suited for winter conditions where you'll see temperatures of 20F and much colder.
- Inflatable pads can even be used as a fun and relaxing floating raft for swimming while out on the trail or in town. But this is only a consideration if this is meaningful to you.
Cons:
- Inflatable pads tend to be be noisier due to the fabric and/or type of insulation inside. This isn't an issue for everyone, but it can be annoying for some people, and can even lead to a restless night's sleep for you and others near you. Foam pads tend to be much quieter than most inflatable pads, but the noise factor ultimately comes down to your overall threshold for noise levels while trying to fall asleep, and while sleeping. With noise levels produced around other people taken as a consideration.
- Due to the fabric material, many inflatable pads tend to slide around, which can be annoying if you're the type of sleeper that tosses and turns as you sleep. Particularly for some side sleepers (like myself). This can cause parts of your body to not be on top of your pad, and therefore not be properly insulated, which can lead to annoyance and discomfort, or even a chilly awakening. Foam pads tend to grip and stay put much better. But not all inflatables will slide around as much.
- By nature of their design, inflatable pads are more prone to failure due to slow leaks, punctures, ruptures, or even getting a hole in it from something like a cooking or camp fire mishap. Properly repairing them is not a guarantee, and depending on the model, they can be very expensive to replace while out on the trail as well.
- Inflatable pads can take up additional interior space in your pack. This is dependent on your pack's design and overall layout, as some are able to store your rolled up inflatable pad on the outside, but not all packs and storage situations allow for that. So, in the event you need to carry your inflatable pad inside your pack, the space it takes up will have to be accounted for. Whereas, again, foam pads are strapped to the outside, which frees up interior space.
Anyway, just some thoughts I had about the pros and cons of each. Cheers and happy trails!
Great info and perspectives ... thanks for posting! These days I've been doing a combo: foam on the bottom and inflatable on top, but it's winter so sub-zero F ... take care
@@metaspencer Yep, for sure. Even an inflatable pad can benefit from an additional foam layer, depending on the model of pad and overall conditions. Especially in sub-zero temps. I've generally been an inflatable kind of guy (I'm a side sleeper), but I've been wanting to give the Therm-A-Rest Z-Lite SOL foam pad another try before my upcoming thru-hike of the AT in next year. Ultimately though, there's no "right" or "wrong" choice either way. As long as it works for the individual, that's all that matters. 👍 Cheers.
😏I see what you did there.
A review...within a review.
Love the cushy, but dog paws have kept me away from inflatables. Foam is the way to go if you have a 4-legged tent partner.
+MKRBRKR ... very true! Leaks are not good
Mine torn by cats lol
I just put a cheap sleeping bag liner over my sleeping pad
Great idea
I prefer the foam for all the same reasons but an additional one is when i sleep on a harder flat surface (like on a foam pad on the ground) I have far less back issues.
I love the comfort of the air mattresses but the noise they make and the possibility of a catastrophic failure (when you're days away from town) is why I've always chosen the closed cell pads.
I had to patch one mid-trip a few years back, and it worked out ... but took a lot of time in an icy cold creek to locate the leak
Just bring a patch kit
I'm 53, and my longest time out on the trail has only been 7 days, 6 nights out. My pad is heavy, not sure, but when I bought it I was in great shape, and the extra weight verses the good night sleep was well worth the trade to me. Its 2 inches thick of foam, that will squish down to about 3/4 inch while rolling it up. It has 3 layers, 1 thin layer of compressed foam material, a thin sheet of mylar space blanket to reflect your body heat back. then the closed cell foam. It has a cover over it all so after each trip out, you can take the cover off and wash it at home in the laundry so the foam stays clean. I've had this pad now for about 25 years, and its still almost like new. I don't use it much anymore since the wife and I now have a small camper, but it still makes it out on a couple overnight hikes. I do know that when I did buy it, it was over $150.00. I bought it for comfort not light weight. My wanted a thermarest, and we bought him what he wanted. It held up good, he was happy with it, and I tried it a couple nights, but it just didn't give me the nights rest I wanted on the trail. In a year or 2 I'm hoping to do a 10 day float trip, so I'll be digging out my gear for it. Stay safe and enjoy what mother earth has to offer.
Cool to hear about that thicker foam pad. I haven’t seen one like it and understand how comfy can be king
I never did any hardcore backpacking, just stuff with the Boy Scouts. Trying to keep up with the kids, I needed to get the best nights rest I could get. If I were to do a 2 or 3 week trip now, I would have to look at the lightest gear I could get. I've now got 2 bad knees, a bad hip, and 3 disks in my lower back that give me fits. That's why I got the camper, base camp, and 10-15 mile overnights from there. Have fun and enjoy nature.
Unless I missed it, you also left out the other big negative for the inflatable ones. To get one like the inflatable therma rest or the big Agnes ones you're going to spend 150 to 250 dollars. Even the therma rest foam pads are like 40 bucks. And the less notable brands are even less. For gear on a budget that's a big deal.
Very well said. And it’s money wasted when they leak!
Funny how people place a price on sleep. Seriously? Quality, comfortable rest has a price limit? Not like we're talking about thousands of prohibitive dollars.
I bring two light sleeping bags with reflective inners, put one inside the other, and sandwich a self inflating sleep mat between the two which I lay on. That way I don't roll off the mat whilst sleeping.
Under this, on the ground is a separate plastic tarp slightly larger than the sleeping bag to keep it all dry, with a reflective silvered top side I attached myself.
I sleep in lightweight thermal long johns, thermal socks and thermal hat pulled down over my eyes and upper face.
It all works very well.
That sounds like a great system. I've done a similar thing when snow camping and was very warm in the extreme cold. Good thinking and thanks for the info
A big brain move
I also use a combination of the two. I am 58 and the guaranteed better nights sleep 😴 is worth it. Hike your hike!
Yeah, you said it: the combo is oh so perfect, and not much heavier since foam is so light.
Same here. Foam on the bottom to help protect the air mattress from punctures. Not too heavy to use both.
I'm totally gonna try this method on my next trip ... which is this weekend!
Nice! Where ya going? I've got an weekender planned in a couple weeks in Joshua Tree NP. Enjoy! :-)
@@metaspencer I am just getting into it. I am considering using a thermarest pad with a cheapo amazon air pad. Possibly use an emergency blanket somewhere in the mix as I am worried about R value with winter coming. I'm just not trying to spend a ton of money, especially on a noisey air pad. I am hoping the pad alone on the bottom ups the R value.
Any foam I’ve ever used got hard when it was really cold. The pad didn’t stay as cold as the outside but it was almost like a rock sleeping on. I guess it’s better that it was flat foam and not literal pebbles in my back. But I’ll take a super thick inflatable even if I have to pay double for it. And wrap it in a wool blanket.
Yeah you said it … hard to find comfort out there
I use a self inflating foam it’s less weight than a normal foam ,smaller in rolled size and just needs the brass valve opening to let it inflate or while rolling it up.
If it was to get a leak the mat is still usable but I’ve never had a puncture , you can also add a few more puffs of air which makes it really comfortable if like me you are a bigger person.
I used one like it for years and liked it a lot
A) The self-inflating pads are not lighter than the closed cell foam ones, they actually weigh about the same as a 3/4 length foam and a full size inflatible put together. Over twice the weight of a closed cell foam pad by itself. B) If they get a leak, they are absolutely worthless. I started with a self inflating pad, and it eventually got a leak while I was hiking. Flat as a pancake, no better than an inflatable pad with a leak. I'm not saying it is wrong for you to prefer a self-inflating pad. The one I had was more comfortable with a higher R-value than my inflatable pad. I'm just trying to correct some statements you made that are just not correct, lest somebody else read them and believe them.
I am in my 70's and most of my backpacking trips are over a week or less. That said, I prefer the inflatables for the comfort and the insulation they give in cold climates. I sleep on my side which is another plus for the inflatable. I enjoy taking my time during my hikes where I can take in the beauty of the area surrounding me. But each must do their own hike and kudos for those doing 30 miles days. I do carry a very small battery air pump (Therm-a-rest NeoAir) which does most of the work of inflating the pad. The battery will last the entire week and more. Total weight with batteries is about 2.2 oz and fits into the palm of your hand. The weight is especially worth it in high altitudes where I'm out of breath from the thin air. For me the nights are about comfort.
I have to say I do have one complaint - although the noise doesn't brother me the inflatable is very loud when I move around. If with a group I try to set up my tent a bit away as to not disturb those lite sleepers. However, most of my backpacking is solo dispersed camping.
I hadn't heard about those battery powered pumps! Very cool that you've found a way to get the pad blown up ... I know that it can be hard. Waking people up in a tent is always tough ... great to hear from you! And keep on doing it! :)
the foam pad is good if youre a back sleeper, the extra folds can also be a pillow, and it can be used as a seat
you can fold it in half and have your upper body on double the cushioning
good points -- pretty versatile!
Side sleeper here. As long as I have a nice plump pillow then I’ll be fine on a foam. Sleeping outdoors is my best sleep ever.
Excellent
My biggest problem with inflatables is the noise.. moving on one gives me the heeby jeebies. Sounds like nails on a chalk board.
try lubrication lolol
Depends on the brand, My friend’s mat is noisy too, but mine is not
The cold air between you could be solved by throwing a layer down under you sleeping bag. Just a thought. I have back issues so I need the extra padding. But after time they do lose their air in colder temp. Air compression of cold air through the night is enough to decrease the air over night even with outa leak. Just give it a little puff before you hit the sack will help.
In addition to what you describe, soft ground can be nice :)
Other thoughts: If you're a canoer you're less likely to lose the foam pad while the uninflated air pad may sink on you if overturnes. I've had pretty good luck with RidgeRest. They roll up so no seams like the accordion style you were using in the video.
I have a few older ridgerest pads, too, and have long liked them. Easy to roll up, strap on, or slip into the boat. :)
I have used the Big Agnes air core, the seam split within a week. Thermarest z pad, too bulky and not comfortable. REI self inflating pad, not comfortable and too heavy and bulky. Exped Ultra lite, not warm and felt like a plastic bag that was gonna blow. For the past 5 years i have used the Exped Synmat 7 basic. It is comfortable, warm, durable, packs up small and only takes about 12 breaths to inflate.
Hadn’t heard of that one ... thanks for the tip!
I bring both. I have a cheap light weight air pad and a piece of insulated bubble wrap that is meant to insulate pipes etc.
Cool idea
Good to know that inflatable will be more useful for the Arizona backpacking. I need as little warmth retention as possible.
I'm new into backpacking and actually trying to find out what equipment to buy.
the price and confidence of foam pads is a huge win, but I'm still insecure about the R-value.
I'd like to camp on colder places and while foam gives R values around 2, there are many inflatable ones around 5 and more.
If you're new I'd suggest starting with the simplest option and seeing if you like the experience of backpacking ... as time goes on get better gear if you keep doing it
This past year I did a few long trips on my motorcycle and camped along the way. I went with an inflatable Klymit Static V Recon pad because it was so small and lightweight when packed: 8"x3" and 18.6 oz. They're also fairly quick to inflate and not too bad on the comfort factor either. The R-value is 1.3 so probably not that great in colder temps; I was using mine in the summer. Just food for thought
I haven’t tried one of those ... Those trips sound fun!
I've been using a Klymit Static V (not the Recon, though) and loved the weight, the comfort, and the price - less than half the cost of any of the big name brands.
Great tip! The big brands cost so much more
Nice review, thanks. I would say that the new quilted or waffle style inflatables are even more comfortable. Plus some of them even have a respectable amount of insulation to cut down on the chilling effect. I have an insulated Big Agnes similar to the ones shown and it is good. I recently got a Sea to Summit insulated pad and it is a HUGE improvement over and already comfortable Big Agnes. Next level comfort. However, your comments are still right on.
The other nice thing about those thicker pads is that they tend to get fewer leaks. Good points!
Does anyone ever just combine both together?? Foam goes underneath to keep sticks and rock from puncturing the pad. And you get the comfort on top
Using the two together is great if you have the space and don't mind carrying them both. Super comfortable and warm
I have really good luck combining both. Using the foam pad with the reflective side up helps to bounce back heat and also helps quiet down the wrinkly noise and keep the air mattress in place.
Erik22552 I'll have to try it when I can afford the weight and space ... sounds comfy!
Inflatables leak, foam don't, but inflatable are more comfortable. There, I saved you 5 minutes.
Yup. Well said
Foam take more place but are always ready to use. For me this is the dilema I had when I need to choose
inflatable pack down small foam don't.
inflatable heavy, foam not
@@pierreblaise9433 if you are ok with the acceptable comfort of a good foam pad (like I am), I'd say you should go for the peace of mind it offers, particularly in remote areas. If you are car camping, get the most comfortable inflatable. But if you are going to spend several nights in wilder areas, foam pads all the way. You don't have to worry about punctures, you can just rely on it, inside and outside the tent, on rough ground, near a camp fire, etc. You don't want to do that with a fragile inflatable.
Well said
I use Nemo Tensor Insulated. Very comfortable, and no noise at all. A bit of a challenge to get it in my country. Though I have been dealing with leaks frequently (I make sure I don't have anything with sharp edges in the tent) and its is a pain in a^^ and makes me consider getting a foam one instead, since once inflatable is leaking you can get cold and is uncomfortable to wake up in the middle of the night to blow it up or look for a leak and field fix it
Leaks are tough. That’s why I’ve come to prefer foam
If I'm not backpacking I use a cot. Backpacking means a hammock or Thermarest.
+Tim Lewallen ... very nice!
I like my z-lite. I have the red Big Agnes as well. It’s not insulated so great for summer camping or adding on top of a cot. For backpacking I don’t mind the bulk of the z-lite. The R value is meh, but not the end of the world. Made it below freezing with proper clothing and bag. I am typically a side sleeper and the z-lite has its moments, just depends on the terrain underneath. I also folded the head side couple layers to prop my head up and can do the same at the bottom if I wanted a half-length version with added padding. I wouldn’t mind an air pad that is insulated because they are much warmer and very comfy, but for the money I will stick to my z-lite.
I agree with you!
metaspencer enjoyed the video, btw. 👍
Thanks!
Good to see ya back buddy!!! :)
What i use (now) is a combination of both of them.
So i use a thin foam mat witch is foldable to protect the air pad from getting damadged while i´m sleepin on it.
When i startet to backpack i was good by using a regular selfinflating foampad wich was about 3,5 cm thick.
Now i´m really used to the comfort of a thick air pad, witch gives me a good sleep to recover.
Both of them weighs nearly the exact same as my old one it self.
What i did with my airpad was: i used seamgrip and sprikled/doted both sides of the fully inflatet air pad with the seamgrip so it was´nt that "slippy" anymore. Make sure that you do one side after another, to make sure that each side could fully dry out :)
Keep on keeping on and all the best from Berlin/Germany
I think the combination method you mention is the way to go and would be very good on frozen ground or snow. The fact that these pads have gotten lighter, as you mention, is remarkable and great.
sliding is definitely a challenge ... I haven't heard of using seamgrip to sold the problem, I'll have to try that!
I´m wondering too that no one did it, but it works very good :)
If you need pictures i could send you some of my "pimped" sleeping pads.
You surley know those homesocks witch are "prepaired" with "rubberdots" to make sure that you do´nt slip when you´re walking around. It´s the exact same "method".
I know what you're talking about and am going to try it out. thanks!
I too use the combination of a foam and inflatable. My inflatable is a sea-2-summit with the stuff sack also functioning as a pump sag, so inflation is no big chore. My foam pad also serves as a seat and longe around camp without having to fear punctures or sparks from a campfire.
The foam pads make your hiking pack stand straight up rather than fall over. They are lighter. They are faster to deploy. They are cheaper. I am fully on Team Foam - even if air pads seem to be the most popular thing going these days. Great video my friend.
Team foam! We were out last week using foam ... no leaks! easy to pack! you said it
I hate nothing more in life than deflating and rolling up my inflatable pad on a freezing day or waking up to a half inflated pad and sore hips so for me it's foam 100%
Understood ... foam is just so easy and never leaks! :)
The night can be quite long when your uncomfortable.for me at least, I rather use the inflatable .sleep is to precious,a good nights rest makes a world of difference the next day.
+black mountain side ... well said and I know what you mean
Same
Can't agree anymore
Totally agree. Sleep is when our bodies recover from the days exertions. If you’re going to take a weight penalty, it should be in your sleeping gear...
Weird Science well said my man
Good video, you bring up good points about traveling with the pads that i didn't think about without being preachy from a single point of view.
Thanks for that! yeah, it's definitely a mixed bag ... no perfect solution but it's always great to be out there!
For just camping I use a thick foam pad, just as comfy as an air pad but better... For camping when hiking I use 1 of my many small foam pads, works fine, never been a fan of air pads...
Nice to have options! I agree
I would like to of seen a comparison with the older style Thermarest
Those were good mattresses… heavier but sturdy
I cut some sections off my foam pad and I put it in my pack against my back witch helps as a frame for my pack and feels nice against my back and it’s not just sitting on top getting in the way.
Cool idea. Two birds with one ... pad :)
Also good for when you stop for sitting on
Nice review! I tried a couple of the inflatable mattresses but they were way too noisy for me. They were like sleeping on a drum. Every time I moved all I could hear was echo and crinkling plastics. I think someone would do well with a camping pad review that includes this concern.
It's funny: I know what you mean about the noise but never really thought about it as a concern given my focus on warmth and comfort. Great point!
I want to use foam but I'm a side sleeper. I Don't think I could be bothered to dig dirt out for my hips and I probably wouldn't be able to line it up anyways. I'm really trying to work out a foam system that will work for me.
I do foam and side sleep … not so bad once you are out there a few nights
Awesome video, good info! Got a intex twin air mat. Don’t really mind the weight, However, it takes up too much space. Good to see this one packs down small!
Thanks for checking it out! Used foam and air pads most recently with foam on the outside of the pack
I have a heavy self inflating, but my dog can walk on it without putting a hole in it. I think I'll have to get a foam for backpacking because he sleeps in the tent.
we have a new pup and are thinking about that, too ... foam is always safer with sharp claws around
my first camping trip was in a snow storm and all i had for padding was blankets...miserable experience...got me a air pad and never looked back. in cold weather ground insulation is of the utmost importance...i refuse to use a foam pad unless it is nice and warm outside
Foam on top of air mattress, and the foam goes silver side up to reflect back your body heat. Great video
Sounds comfy!
Reverse that, and you have it right. The fom should go under the air mattress to provide some protection against pokey objects.
I currently own two air sleeping pads, the Sea to summit comfort plus (insulated) and the Exped synmat hyperlite. I have never, ever, fallen asleep on any air mattress or those two sleeping pads. I tried combining two thermarest foam pads and even though those combined were more uncomfortable, I fell asleep. In my experience, when I lay down on an air sleeping pad, my lower back starts to hurt. That doesn't happen when I'm laying on a foam pad. So, for some reason, my back doesn't like an air sleeping pad. I do have back issues and I'm wondering if that has to do with something. Anyway, it really feels like a waste of money buying those air sleeping pads. Lol, I could've bought a great backpacking hammock for that money.
it's interesting to hear your experience ... I guess we all sleep differently and you've gotta go with what works for you! happy camping out there and good to hear from you
Good thorough honest and accurate review.
Thanks for checking it out!
It's pack size doesn't matter, its going to be tied to the outside of the pack. Inflatables can go inside. What about dog claws on the inflatables?
You're right to worry about dog claws, pine needles, crampons and more: inflatables can be punctured, and patching them does not always work.
Thanks for your thoughts, man. 👍
Thanks for checking it out!
Ill stick with the z fold or my old military foam pad have had to many valves fail leak in backcountry hunts
Agreed. That’s a good combo
Inflatables get cold at night in cold areas. Obviously it's filled with air and at night when cold, air gets cold. So you are led on cold air. Fine for summer though.
good point!
How about one of those ultra-lightweight cots? At about 1,200 grams they're a bit heavier than a mat, but they have the advantage that you're not in direct contact with the ground, which I imagine must be good for heat-presevation purposes in very cold weather. A Chinese knock-off of the Helinox costs about £60 ($80) on Aliexpress.
I could see using one if you had plenty of space and didn't have to carry it every day ... have you tested one?
No, I haven't, but I''ve just ordered one from China and will definitely try it in the winter. They're not that big when they're packed -- not as small as an air pad, but significantly smaller than a foam pad -- and a 600-gram penalty over the Thermarest doesn't seem excessive.
Good luck with it!
Inflatables come in much higher r-values than foam - it's the only choice for me winter camping, unless I'm car camping and I could layer multiple foam mattresses.
yeah, warm and comfy ... foam + inflatable is pure luxury
I wonder if you could throw a mylar emergency sheet under the Big Agnes and increase the R value.
It might help, just gotta watch out for condensation... also can be noisy
How about just a roll of upholstery memory foam?
If it's light, go for it! Sounds like a good solution
Great vid and not too long. Good job!
Oh good ... Thanks!
In my experience inflatables are stiff, and if you are on uneven ground you will slide off the mattess. Also super annoying to blow up on multiday hikes. Last time I used my inflatable it even punctured. Foam from here on out
I hear ya: foam is reliable, no time blowing it up, and it works.
Have you ever had to put your tent on the snow or wet ground in a rain storm.
? Which pad would work best for such a situation??
Many times. On snow I typically use a foam pad with air pad on top of it. On soaked wet ground just one pad ... but a footprint for the tent is nice
I wouldn't scoff at carrying both. Additive R values and extra cushion 👍
Yeah I've carried both a few times now ... very comfy! and not too much added weight with foam
Air for this guy they have some nice ones out there with a foot pump
Air is definitely the most comfy and warm! foot pump sounds good man
Do you know which foam pad is the most comfortable? Thank you.
I wouldn't say it's all that comfortable, but we've had good luck with this one amzn.to/3zbeXpS
So, I am right side sleeper & I use a foldable cot and I just went camping with our BSA troop and it was cold & miserable. Cold air went through the underside of the cot making me cold even though having blanklets over me. Would you think a double layer of eggcrate foam on the cot, would this also insulate me against the cold? As you mentioned inflatable ones are cold. Any suggestions? That night was miserable.
Cots are tough in cold weather ... dense foam is best on them, but a rugged air mattress also works as you don’t seem to have a weight issue
If you like a cot then try this. Get a hammock underquilt or a plastic poncho and attach either to the underside of your cot. Take a couple small rags, pop open one or two of those 8 hour hand warmers, wrap them in the rags and sandwich them in the space between underquilt/poncho and the underside of your cot. This will heat the space underneath you for a long time.
I bikepacked with foam pad over 10 years and had no isues at all
Excellent. Yeah, a lot of people like foam -- I like how long is lasts and how light it is
Question: I currently have a Big Agnes air mattress and my sleeping bag slides all over the darn thing. With the foam pad, is that an issue?
I've had many of those slippery, sliding nights myself ... so know what you mean. All of the foam pads I've used have much more traction on the sleeping bag, but with that said: you're gonna give up some comfort if you go with foam. Have you thought about adding or making a mat cover like this one? www.backcountrygear.com/sleeping-pads-accessories/exped-mat-cover.html I've also seen people attach the pad to their sleeping bag with thin bungees or velcro ... some sleeping bags even have a sleeve for the pad ... good luck!
@@metaspencer Thanks for the fast response, you are the man!
I know this is out of context, but was wondering how hammocks are comfort wise..I bought a couple, havnt set them up yet, and won't for another month, but don't know anyone who has used them..thanks!
+Puma Bear ... I find they're not great after a few hours, but opinions differ. In cold weather you need to hang your insulation outside the hammock to avoid compression. I hope you like em!
puma bear. for me, they are wonderful. will never use a tent again. as long as there are trees.
Awesome video happy camping ⛺🎣🚶Gonna be getting a foam/rubberized pad
good idea!
Nice! Thank you!
Excellent
Big Agnes pads are much noisier than the foam and much noisier than most other air pads.
Agreed!
David Bigelow I disagree, my BA QCore isn’t noisy at all.Jus sayin
Have you tried the SOL version of the folding one? Any ideas if its warmer? Ive heard that it is warmed than the inflatable as has reflective coating
Haven’t tried it yet ... I’m sure others have
Can you sleep on a sleeping pad just straight without sheets and stuff lol
Yeah but that sounds cold. Most people use a sleeping bag
@@metaspencer okay do you have any idea what I can use to sleep on the floor I don’t want a futon I just want to roll it up and sleep on it but I don’t want an air bed. And is the foam better to use as in like having comfort
Try on of these foam pads. You might like it but very thin
I went air before, It's not for me. It's faffy, it's risky should it puncture why out on a week or two trip. I actually found air colder. It's like it traps the air within it becoming a big cold mattress. I've been foam for a couple years now. At first I suffered. I sleep on my side took a few camping trips to get use to it.
I've been coming back to foam and enjoying it ...plus, not leaks. So I see what you mean!
Or a combination of both
Yep
Had a few inflatables over the years but hate the constant threat of punctures. Ordered a z lite sol today and think it will be a good option for me for summer camping. I’ve slept on thin foam rolls before and slept well. 🏕 here’s hoping … 🤷♀️
That foam pad will never leak and takes just a second to roll out … I love it
Me again, back for a follow up. Over the last two years I’ve used both air mattresses and the Z Lite Sol Thermarest foam job I ordered two years ago.
Prefer the foam pad, a mat I personally find deliciously comfortable. I guess you can take the child out of the sixties, but you can’t take the sixties out of the child - love my little Z Lite! 🙂
@pootlingalong8928 wow! Back after two years! That’s excellent. Yeah ya just can’t beat the simplicity and weight of foam. Happy camping!
Will the foam get wet carring on the outside?
It can get wet out there but isn't absorbent ... I haven't had trouble with it
Which is comfy ?
Air is most comfortable
can you use the pad on top of the inflatable?
I have used the pad under the inflatable many times and it's very comfy. I put the pad under to protect the inflatable
Does it take a long time for the thermarest to dry?
Not much time at all. They have almost no absorbent fabric or material, so dry very easy. And even insulate when wet, given the use of air.
why not both? Get the benefits of both.
Both is sooooo comfy if ya have the space on the pack. Really good
@@metaspencer I found out the hard way the other night that just my insulated air pad wasn't enough against the cold ground (snow), adding a foam pad would've helped out a lot.
@@JCraftvfx yeah, I double layered on my last winter overnight th-cam.com/video/Fn_JtuBIzOw/w-d-xo.html
Wunder if all this holds over ta hammock campin or differs and only hold ta ground dwellin....
ya can squeeze em into the old hammocks
How does both together work?
On my most recent trip I tried two combinations: 2 foam pads and foam + air ... both combinations were amazing and very warm. The 2 foam pads were lighter.
why not tape the inflatables togethrt and make a tent out of it.. should be snug.
Who's got hundreds of dollars to spend on air mattresses that don't eventually LEAK ?
I hear alot about comfort but I really have stiffness and feel every bump, toss and turn when camping. Any thoughts or experience with those issues? Thank you.
I think many of experience sleeping on the ground that way. Good pads and soft ground can help, but it also just takes a lot of time and practice :)
What are their R values ?
I'm not sure they're listed ... you'd have to look them up. Sorry to not be of help!
2 foam....the best
Sounds comfy!
Sheep skin
🙏🏻
Sounds amazing
Don't touch the pad it sounds terrible
haha
Looks like cheap air beds from the seaside at premium prices. A recipe for disaster.
This video was shot during a longer backpacking trip, which I posted about here: th-cam.com/video/IvATCdOi0n0/w-d-xo.html