Absolutely! The same introverted function can show up in a multitude of different ways depending on the person. Nice job Ti breaking down and Te covering the big picture between the two functions. :) Bravo 👏
I’m a Ti user but I like to consult a manual/ recipe book before I attempt something, or at the very least after I attempt something and screw it up. Afterwards I’ll usually come up with my own process and stick to it though..
I think that a lot of the misconceptions of the MBTI come from people who expect the types to be what really defines a person and serves as a rosetta stone to the human condition. But the reality is that people have various layers and that each of those layers is more complex than the theories we apply to them. If we look at people online who seek to refine the theory, you see them going into completely different directions. On the issue of Te-Ti, I seem to be rather untypical for my type. I'm an INFP and according to my function stack, I should have Te as an aspirational function and Ti as a demon function. However, if I am being honest, I would say that this function is close to rivaling my hero function Fi. It's quite exhausting because I notice the logical discrepancies in my own value system, but am unwilling to compromise it - so I spend a lot of effort trying to resolve paradoxes that matter to nobody but me. Another typical example is that I struggle to organize my things - because I see no value in the task until the amount of chaos exceeds my capacity to grasp where everything is. This exceeds mere laziness because having organized things doesn't give me a feeling of satisfaction. What gives me satisfaction is writing pseudo-academic texts (the lack of references would not fly in an academic setting) and deleting them when I'm done because writing them helped me figure out there the flaw I noticed actually is. Actually understanding the differences of the T-Functions is a necessary step there because I noticed that some definitions and examples were obviously undercomplex and because I couldn't quite figure out where to put the line myself. With this video, the pieces fit the puzzle quite a bit better.
Good vid. I like how the Ti user started to say “guilty” when referring to an ENTJ, but that wasn’t quite the right word. Great Ti example, by accident, which made it even better!
Explains the differences between my ENTP husband and myself perfectly. He doesn’t even LOOK at recipes. Me checking eight different sites for the same recipe and combining them all to find the perfect way to cook said thing 👀 And don’t even get me started on the half-ass fixing of things 🤣 nailed it girls!
Wow, I was struggling with Fi vs Fe but Ti vs Te is so clear to me. I think my feeling function is too close to me and I was convinced I was a Fe dominant for so long but no I have Fi. I think the stereotype that Fi is “selfish”really held me back because I didn’t want to be “selfish” and my job is all about helping people so how could I have Fi? Well it’s how I use my Fi and my motivation that matters. Thank you!
I absolutely love these 'contained laughs' the girl on the right is doing (sorry, not know your names...yet). Even my dom Ti finds them very pleasing, because it makes perfect sense why they are there! Flawless :)
This is such a great depiction of my INFJ boyfriend and me, the INFP. His way of thinking sometimes drives me crazy and I’m constantly organizing his little messes and noticing how often he forgets things because he’s so IN HIS MIND. And of course, that has its benefits as well. I can be so IN MY FEELS as an Fi type. I value his way of operating and vice versa. But it was so funny watching you describe the differences because it’s very on point. 👌🏻
as an intj I noticed watching others who are unlike me interact is MUCH easier snd fulfilling than being directly obligated or requested to participate, esp with non intj. E.G. I don't think I'd be much fun or use actively engaging either of you in conversation but watching you two bounce ideas trains of thought and laughs off each other has made me smile immensely
ISTP here. I find myself latching onto new ideas easily, though only after I've evaluated them myself. But I don't really care what others think about the idea. I care what I think. I might be a "first adopter" or a long-term avoider, of something new, depending on my own evaluation. I also re-evaluate things and make new decisions (e.g. I quit using Facebook in February and it was one of the best decisions I've ever made). New perspectives, OTOH, are more of a problem. I've thought my perspectives through, rather thoroughly. What else is there to do while I'm driving, unless conditions are really challenging? However, if those perspectives are created by others and fed to me, I can let go of them much more easily (e.g. religion, which I got rid of, a decision even better than ditching Facebook. Nobody would come up with that crap on his/her own, except when trying to exploit people whose sense of self has been damaged, for ill-gotten profit.) Are Te users there opposite? Is there more of a "majority must be right" tendency? It seems that way to me. I lose respect for someone immediately when the justification for using a dumb process is "we've done it this way for 100 years."
I absolutely adore you two young ladies, now stop apologizing for your point of view. We are watching because first the dynamic is on spot anime/anima and I have heard some pretty interesting stuff from you two. 👌💪😁. Your ISTP follower
50 years later.. Lying in bed...knowing her end is coming soon, she said to her children "Well children..you know it right? Anyone can be anything" and then dies
Thank you for providing examples between Te and Ti. It clear things up. Personally, I'm precise with grammar, not because I want to sound logically sound (although it can be), but because I want to look professional so they can listen to me, Te, and get clear instructions for them to execute.
Amanda is so much like my ENFP wife. It is eerie. The eyes, the loud earrings, the large smile, how she watches herself in the camera, her views... etc. Typology is so interesting in how we can see the similarities so strongly within types. Afterthought: oh god, I hope this didn’t sound creepy. It did, didn’t it? Haha was meant as a character discussion, not something else!
Looking forward to the T functions in the various positions. As a pre-emptive question, since I was wondering this during the video, is my understanding correct that the function carried by the Parent archetype is easier to use for others than it is for oneself?
Guys thank you so much for this. It was explained so well. And made me understand certain things about the way i think and well being a Ti user, i related to a lot of the things mentioned here. Even the negative stuff heehee. Not negative per se.. but you get it. So thank you for helping us understand this stuff ❤️ and I just realised this video is 41 mins but while listening, it didn't feel that long at all. I was so into what you guys were talking about :) ok almost 42 mins. Anyway I'm going to shut up now. Thank you though. I cannot say that enough.
The video was very interesting: I loved the reference to ENTJs asking for "internal reflection". ;-) I am an ENTJ, but I use very "Ti" (Te - 100%; Ni - 98%; Ti- 93%). It really is as if my "Ti" has replaced my sensitive and emotional functions ... strange ... due to a hard life, perhaps? I can say that after this "internal reflection", I use a lot of both ("Te" and "Ti"): I usually say phrases like "this is the best way to do it, but please do it as you see fit: each person must find their own method ". ;-)
Really good and interesting video! 12:00 - Sorry Amanda... you're saying you are looking at the big picture, but that isn't an excuse for a bad argument.... No matter of what "scale" the content is you are debating about, your thesis stands on a fundamental of reasoning and if your reasons are wrong, you fail to proof your thesis. That doesn't mean that your thesis is necessarily wrong but you can't expect anyone to accept theses based on false reasoning.... Also this has nothing to do with Ti vs Te, because every Ti user can argue about a big picture. Lots of great philosophers the world has seen so far are typed as INTP -> Ti dominant. Philosophy is by definition the most "big picture" topic you can imagine of and what your (Amanda) argument is totally missing, is the ability to integrate the details into the big picture in order to make sense. By all this, don't forget that you can get a true statement out of a false conclusion with false premises! Sorry if I come across to harsh but you said that you don't take it personally :)
Not following instructions for a recipe probably has more to do with Si which is the lowest function for the 'INFJ' on the right and is not related to thinking. Ti wants objectiveness and detachment so I think she is confusing Ti with Ni when talking about having a personal attachment to ideas. 'Open mindedness' has more to do with Ne, since all ideas should be represented not just the popular ones. While Te by itself is more likely to just accept commonly accepted ideas for efficiency and disregard alternate theories.
This is hard. So hard. But I'm pretty sure I must have Te (inferior). Inefficiency really bugs me, especially when I know a better way. For instance, I don't like cooking because it feels random and slow. To me a new recipe is like starting from scratch. Because they all use different ingredients you don't (and can't) always have at hand, as well as different procedures. Baking on the other hand is fine because they all use the same basic ingredients - which everyone will have lying around - and principles. Once you know one recipe you know them all. (Yes, Ti, I made an absolute statement. You don't have to tell me about the nuances, my Fi know them just as well as you do.) I couldn't come up with a system of my own to save my life, but I work very well within an already existing one or can implement one I've seen before. Thanks for the videos, they really get me thinking. I always keep coming back to me being an INFP despite my mind constantly asking, "but what if...?" You're making it so much easier to really understand what the functions are and do.
I might be wrong, but in my experience what Te is after is a solution that works for the largest number of people and that's it. In my company, management loves scalability, and I learned to hate it, after being forced to do illogical things for years only because they're scalable. That's pretty much their only reason to be. I'm a Ti user, and this annoys me to no end. It's like Te thinks that if something works for 99% of the people, everyone will be happy because things work. Eh, WRONG! In reality, you can screw half of those 99% of people one way or another, and they (I ) won't be happy only because I'm doing something that works. For me, something has to work and at the same time, make sense and not hurt anyone in any way (because Fe), otherwise it's worthless. I don't care if it's a solution that works and it's scalable, to me it's just garbage and I don't care about your data.
A friend and I: Me: these are the facts and this is the external evidence. We don't own the evidence, it just is, but we can sure see the results of people's actions! Friend: What so and so did to you and a few others was inexcusable, I already told you that, but I'm trying to understand what they were thinking before and after they did this. I just see things differently, so I'm still glad their online presence is growing. Me: what? So, you're trying to find out info that it's not possible to even find out unless you literally became that person? Because that's the only way you're ever going to "know what was exactly in their mind before and after". What about the results of all this you can actually measure, and the damage it's caused? Friend: I know you're side, I just see things differently. Me: I'm lost. I give up. My Fi just can't tolerate the unethical crap and it makes no sense objectively to my Te to do so.
The Accuracy (Ti) 'accusation" that Effectiveness (Te) "crowd-sources its ideas," and Accuracy (Ti) viewing that as a negative, also circles back to Accuracy (Ti) wanting to "own" the idea. If the idea itself is a collaborative effort, Accuracy wouldn't be able to think of it as "my idea."
can anyone relate to this ? : I like do things my own way, aand some I think Te users are always trying to correct me even tell me how I should hold a pan, and that is sometimes so frustrating, can you please leave me be ?
If you showed them "data" or statistics as you claim, then that's Ti, not Te. The Te person is correct in situational problem solving. Data doesn't mean anything in a real situation. As for why you color code your closet or cupboard, I have no clue. Chalk it up to Fe.
Te users can me quicker and more efficient but they also may end up in trap, stuck trying to find the most efficient way , and Ti users just by doing may in the end has better results, It happened to me with my ex, He was looking , trying to fix me, but he could do much less things then I do, it all depends.
I realised that too, the heavy Te raining blows on my ears was pretty annoying. No Te or Ti is better than the other, it depends on what you use since you will usually have a not so pleasant reaction to the axes opposite from yourself. How do we know when someone is right when we all have our own ideas of what’s right. But a side note, I never ever imagined these two having kids they look so young wtf.
“It’s good enough.” Very Ti. It’s not the common thought you hear, but when you consider motivation, it makes a lot of sense. It’s not TRYING to be efficient. It’s trying to make something work based on what makes sense to you.
Yeah-yeah, I'm listenin'. I just wanted to say you two are just glowing in this video, getting prettier every time. I love when Amanda busts on Jessie (4:35) and Jessie mutters to herself, so cute. Please make a video with the two of you each having a big glass of wine.
This project is not about them, it's about the MBTI. I like the fact, that they are not just reading a script and also just talk what is in their head. I really love this quality content and i think that not-informative wine-drinking videos doesn't belong here
If you want to type me.. I'm free :) Enfp or entp Somebody wrote a sentence last night, I automatically picked the word could out of the sentence and thought why would u write, it could be nice instead of it would be nice..I had to goggle the meanings . Is that Ti ? Yet I'm big picture.and will think I see this , and not explain ..I will go to a utube or many videos to understand what I'm learning..from counselling theories, to cooking, I follow recipes, I researched the best dog for our family,deffo colour co ordinated but I will wear the same shoes one black the other brown so it matches my black outfit with a twist of shoes colouring.but I guess Ne can make other possibilities which can seem as Ti ? I see both te and ti.. But happy to be typed to know for sure..
This makes more sense--Amanda is ENFP. I've known at least 3 ENFPs who mistyped as ENTJs. It's almost like they misread Te so badly and or Te is so domineering that even in the third slot it feels that intense. Te and Ti can clash quite a bit. My girlfriend is an ENFP, and we get into tizzies all the time during debates, and it's not because Ti finds the flaws in immaterial details--it's because Ti can effectively argue logically. Te can be quite dangerous and lazy, frankly. Te just wants to regurgitate things people think are true. In fact, 78% of the military is Te dom or aux personality types. Literally, Te is the definition of conformity. And yes, I understand there is value in people being able to follow protocol in certain contexts. Te users basically just adopt whatever was the best Ti application of something. It's like it likes being told what to do. Not very innovative, and it needs Ti to actually do the work to find the right answers to things
@Basic Betty "Anybody else here find Te users feeling like they need to control Ti users totally inappropriate?" I've noticed this A LOT in my life. It is awful, especially as a child/teenager. Still creates dissonance today, and yes there can be some Te "arrogance", where "they"/it" want to shut down Ti, if so to say. " No Ti, it is too complex ( or takes too much time ), just do it my way, or the way that someone told me is the best", and not going deeper than that, can occur. It is just "what works", what is convenient and (seemingly) efficient, but (almost) never "the best" option. Usually doesn't seem to want to optimize or strengthen things, just to make it work, which has its place, but if Te could take a moment for a decent Ti-usage.. Big win, in relationships of all kinds. Bottom line, I 'hate' having Te trying to control or limit the Ti, in my experience.
@Basic Betty "Anybody else here find Te users feeling like they need to control Ti users totally inappropriate? " I haaaated it my whole life, didn't know about mbti all my life of course, but from what I know now, it was/and still is usually Te-users that will wish to "shut my Ti down". I don't remember the content in an Si-way right now of this video, I'm just taking essentials away from most things I watch, not details. They fade after a rather short time, but for the "point" made, I totally relate to it. Te gets so uncomfortable when "questioned" by Ti, but Te ( in many people ) surely want to shut down Ti, and ignore it and some more not-so-fun stuff. Of course, this isn't aaalways the case with aaall people and dynamics, but I have totally seen a pattern that is undeniable, both with ENFP, ESFP and INFPs. It is like that cannot stand "Ti" lol.
Hey there, I appreciate your comments. : ) I can't help but notice that there seems to be lots of hate on Extraverted Thinking in this particular thread. Our channel is meant to promote a healthy understanding of cognitive functions. It's important to note that no cognitive function in Carl Jung's work is defined as pure conformity. Extraverted Thinking is more action-oriented and outward focused. This does not translate into automatically accepting all external thoughts (it's why Te is on an axis with Fi). In addition, our perceiving functions play a role in what we accept. Additionally, both extraverted judging functions aim to control the environment (Extraverted Feeling does this as well). To the introverted opposite, this can come across as domineering. The point is that Fe seems controlling to the Fi user as Te can appear to the Ti user. It's important to understand that this is because of someone's own shadow projection onto another person. The mission of TCH is to promote this understanding so that we can navigate our own complexes and become more healthy, whole human beings. :) Much love, --J
Type Cast Heroes thanks for the thoughts, but Te is very much about conformity. Correlations between cognitive functions and psychopathy scales prove this to be. Te users are less likely to break social conventions, but have very low empathy. So if you’re coming to use Fi as a balancer, it just is not the case relative to all other types. This is why NTJs run corporate America and get away with crap. Low empathy to take from others (selfish Fi) while flying under the radar by doing it within the bounds of socially acceptable norms (which by the way they dictate and manipulate via Te)
I was arguing with a Ti user and he always pointed out irrelevant points that didn't effect the final argument. Maybe I'm just a smarter Ti user and that doesn't mean I'm a Te user just because the guy was anal retentive.
Okay, i guess i'm still a bit confused. I'm Ti all day in my Ni mind when it comes to how i understand reality, philosophy, religion, people, and various other ideas. But when it comes to DOING things, i'm looking for the way that works best. If someone shows me a way to do something that's different than my way and i find that it is better than my way, i will drop my way and adopt the new way to DO this thing. Although sometimes i will have a little bit of a reluctant feeling to let go of my way. But logically if their way works better i want to better my way by adopting the better way. I'm in the construction business so i actually experience this a lot. Everyone has a certain way of doing things; some worse then my way and some better. I am willing to learn if you can show me why it works better or if i can see on my own that it works better. I also have various simple systems that make my life easier. A backpack with essentials for the day, having things in a certain place for a certain purpose, doing things in a certain way to maximize efficiency. Also, depending on the circumstance, i can problem solve in the real world relatively quickly if i am not too deep in my Ni. But for a lot of my systems i have down for myself it did take some time to formulate them; slowly realizing better ways to do things. Is it possible as an INFJ to have relatively strong Te? Or is there a different explanation that shows how It's almost all still Ti?
Ti can and does fix things IF THEY CARE ABOUT IT BEING FIXED lol. Jerry rigged doesn’t mean not fixed bruh lol. There is just not a need to do it “the only proper way or tools or whatever “ lol. Things can be fixed with a made up way of fixing it 😂I know this is hard for te to accept but … ya. Ur gonna tell me ISTP and estp don’t actually fix things when or if they want to? … hardcore disagree maam. Ti can cook “right” , can fix “right” we do things right lol I think it’s te who only views the most common standardized or societally a reputed or already know way as THE WAY lol. I think ti wants it done WELL , right, precise with quality at times , where te often sacrifices quality for speed and , can plug in any user and they can use this solution. Can plug in any user , makes for best solutions in CERTAIN SCENARIOS , it is not the best solution in all scenarios idk why te doesn’t seem to get this. Te style solutions are not always and wverywhere the best /most correct /better solutions. Lol why does context not matter so often for te users ehyyyy *cries ti tears 😂 Ti doesn’t accept that data is logic bec it’s not. Lol it’s not stubbornness imo it’s , if people are using or rather misusing the interpretation of facts and data or pretending that their interpretation of use of data could be wrong , lol even if they used data that exists , then why does that mean we are only using logic in a way that is “just our own opinion”. I don’t think Ti is being represented well here. Scientific studies for example , what you can acceptably conclude from a set of facts requires logical steps and interpreting and it’s how science and data is often misunderstood or misrepresented. There are limitations on what cannot and can be concluded lol from said facts. This isn’t stubbornness or arrogance lol it’s a commitment to the integrity of the logic involved. Te is very unconcerned with the logic involved and typically slaps broadly accepted facts or data on them to insist that they’re correct. The facts may be. The conclusions or way those facts are used to present ideas by the te person still may not be. Logic is taught in courses , its principles are objective not subjective. The subjectivity of Ti isn’t in the principles of logic themselves. Bec of English language I think these things often get conflated. The subjectivity … innnn my humble opinion comes with the individuals grasp of the logical principles they have learned , as per their individual brains and bodies and experiences and whatever they may have lived to identify somethings as part of their framework but I’d argue that the subjectivity comes with which parts and pieces and principles of logic they’ve identified , at that subjective moment in time , and whether they’re applying all the relevant principles to a situation or not. Bjt logic is logic lol like it doesn’t matter someone’s personal opinion is , in Ti land lol. And research isn’t necessarily helpful to Ti , te is often just looking around them lol to see who is the most celebrated credential and that is correct whatever that person says. Lol things like that it’s just not a good APPLICATION of logic but te is acting like their collection of the most popular facts , are logic. Ijsssssss
Efficient and effective are not the same thing and what defines the most effective solution may not include as much efficiency as the users always believe lol Ijs it depends on the nature of the problem the context etc
Absolutely! The same introverted function can show up in a multitude of different ways depending on the person. Nice job Ti breaking down and Te covering the big picture between the two functions. :) Bravo 👏
I’m a Ti user but I like to consult a manual/ recipe book before I attempt something, or at the very least after I attempt something and screw it up. Afterwards I’ll usually come up with my own process and stick to it though..
I agree that MBTI should not be used to determine career or relationships.
I think that a lot of the misconceptions of the MBTI come from people who expect the types to be what really defines a person and serves as a rosetta stone to the human condition. But the reality is that people have various layers and that each of those layers is more complex than the theories we apply to them. If we look at people online who seek to refine the theory, you see them going into completely different directions.
On the issue of Te-Ti, I seem to be rather untypical for my type. I'm an INFP and according to my function stack, I should have Te as an aspirational function and Ti as a demon function. However, if I am being honest, I would say that this function is close to rivaling my hero function Fi. It's quite exhausting because I notice the logical discrepancies in my own value system, but am unwilling to compromise it - so I spend a lot of effort trying to resolve paradoxes that matter to nobody but me. Another typical example is that I struggle to organize my things - because I see no value in the task until the amount of chaos exceeds my capacity to grasp where everything is. This exceeds mere laziness because having organized things doesn't give me a feeling of satisfaction. What gives me satisfaction is writing pseudo-academic texts (the lack of references would not fly in an academic setting) and deleting them when I'm done because writing them helped me figure out there the flaw I noticed actually is.
Actually understanding the differences of the T-Functions is a necessary step there because I noticed that some definitions and examples were obviously undercomplex and because I couldn't quite figure out where to put the line myself. With this video, the pieces fit the puzzle quite a bit better.
Good vid. I like how the Ti user started to say “guilty” when referring to an ENTJ, but that wasn’t quite the right word. Great Ti example, by accident, which made it even better!
Explains the differences between my ENTP husband and myself perfectly. He doesn’t even LOOK at recipes. Me checking eight different sites for the same recipe and combining them all to find the perfect way to cook said thing 👀 And don’t even get me started on the half-ass fixing of things 🤣 nailed it girls!
Wow, I was struggling with Fi vs Fe but Ti vs Te is so clear to me. I think my feeling function is too close to me and I was convinced I was a Fe dominant for so long but no I have Fi. I think the stereotype that Fi is “selfish”really held me back because I didn’t want to be “selfish” and my job is all about helping people so how could I have Fi? Well it’s how I use my Fi and my motivation that matters. Thank you!
I absolutely love these 'contained laughs' the girl on the right is doing (sorry, not know your names...yet).
Even my dom Ti finds them very pleasing, because it makes perfect sense why they are there! Flawless :)
The Fi/Te axis (when in that order) definitely worries less about who does it and how- just that it gets done. Totally agree.
This is such a great depiction of my INFJ boyfriend and me, the INFP. His way of thinking sometimes drives me crazy and I’m constantly organizing his little messes and noticing how often he forgets things because he’s so IN HIS MIND. And of course, that has its benefits as well. I can be so IN MY FEELS as an Fi type. I value his way of operating and vice versa. But it was so funny watching you describe the differences because it’s very on point. 👌🏻
So happy you relate! 😂🖤
Thats so funny. I am an INTJ and I dont use any measurement cups or so for cooking but my INTP always uses! XD
Thank you for explaining this! I can actually understand the functions now
Te for me as INFP is my rogue function
My wife and I started arguing over making mac and cheese. This was a great clarifier between Te & Ti. Thanks ladies.
as an intj I noticed watching others who are unlike me interact is MUCH easier snd fulfilling than being directly obligated or requested to participate, esp with non intj. E.G. I don't think I'd be much fun or use actively engaging either of you in conversation but watching you two bounce ideas trains of thought and laughs off each other has made me smile immensely
Oh if there is a problem with anything technical mechanical physical psychological my brain just goes insane trying to fix the problem!!!!
ISTP here. I find myself latching onto new ideas easily, though only after I've evaluated them myself. But I don't really care what others think about the idea. I care what I think. I might be a "first adopter" or a long-term avoider, of something new, depending on my own evaluation.
I also re-evaluate things and make new decisions (e.g. I quit using Facebook in February and it was one of the best decisions I've ever made).
New perspectives, OTOH, are more of a problem. I've thought my perspectives through, rather thoroughly. What else is there to do while I'm driving, unless conditions are really challenging?
However, if those perspectives are created by others and fed to me, I can let go of them much more easily (e.g. religion, which I got rid of, a decision even better than ditching Facebook. Nobody would come up with that crap on his/her own, except when trying to exploit people whose sense of self has been damaged, for ill-gotten profit.)
Are Te users there opposite? Is there more of a "majority must be right" tendency? It seems that way to me.
I lose respect for someone immediately when the justification for using a dumb process is "we've done it this way for 100 years."
I absolutely adore you two young ladies, now stop apologizing for your point of view. We are watching because first the dynamic is on spot anime/anima and I have heard some pretty interesting stuff from you two. 👌💪😁. Your ISTP follower
50 years later..
Lying in bed...knowing her end is coming soon, she said to her children "Well children..you know it right? Anyone can be anything" and then dies
i mean, what a way to go 🖤
Thank you for providing examples between Te and Ti. It clear things up. Personally, I'm precise with grammar, not because I want to sound logically sound (although it can be), but because I want to look professional so they can listen to me, Te, and get clear instructions for them to execute.
Amanda is so much like my ENFP wife. It is eerie. The eyes, the loud earrings, the large smile, how she watches herself in the camera, her views... etc. Typology is so interesting in how we can see the similarities so strongly within types.
Afterthought: oh god, I hope this didn’t sound creepy. It did, didn’t it? Haha was meant as a character discussion, not something else!
Hahah somehow missed this comment before. Not creepy at all! It's fascinating, isn't it? 😊
--A🖤
Looking forward to the T functions in the various positions. As a pre-emptive question, since I was wondering this during the video, is my understanding correct that the function carried by the Parent archetype is easier to use for others than it is for oneself?
That's exactly correct! We use it to nurture others : ) --J
Guys thank you so much for this. It was explained so well. And made me understand certain things about the way i think and well being a Ti user, i related to a lot of the things mentioned here. Even the negative stuff heehee. Not negative per se.. but you get it. So thank you for helping us understand this stuff ❤️ and I just realised this video is 41 mins but while listening, it didn't feel that long at all. I was so into what you guys were talking about :) ok almost 42 mins. Anyway I'm going to shut up now. Thank you though. I cannot say that enough.
The video was very interesting: I loved the reference to ENTJs asking for "internal reflection". ;-)
I am an ENTJ, but I use very "Ti" (Te - 100%; Ni - 98%; Ti- 93%). It really is as if my "Ti" has replaced my sensitive and emotional functions ... strange ... due to a hard life, perhaps?
I can say that after this "internal reflection", I use a lot of both ("Te" and "Ti"): I usually say phrases like "this is the best way to do it, but please do it as you see fit: each person must find their own method ". ;-)
I can definitely relate to "not liking business"
Non Te-user? :D
I blend both with the introverted and extroverted personality I the Chameleon
red hair is an infj
blonde is an enfp
Really good and interesting video!
12:00 - Sorry Amanda... you're saying you are looking at the big picture, but that isn't an excuse for a bad argument....
No matter of what "scale" the content is you are debating about, your thesis stands on a fundamental of reasoning and if your reasons are wrong, you fail to proof your thesis. That doesn't mean that your thesis is necessarily wrong but you can't expect anyone to accept theses based on false reasoning....
Also this has nothing to do with Ti vs Te, because every Ti user can argue about a big picture. Lots of great philosophers the world has seen so far are typed as INTP -> Ti dominant. Philosophy is by definition the most "big picture" topic you can imagine of and what your (Amanda) argument is totally missing, is the ability to integrate the details into the big picture in order to make sense.
By all this, don't forget that you can get a true statement out of a false conclusion with false premises!
Sorry if I come across to harsh but you said that you don't take it personally :)
The irony here
"every Ti user can argue about a big picture"
and every Te user can pick up your flaws if he is a grammar nazi
Not following instructions for a recipe probably has more to do with Si which is the lowest function for the 'INFJ' on the right and is not related to thinking. Ti wants objectiveness and detachment so I think she is confusing Ti with Ni when talking about having a personal attachment to ideas. 'Open mindedness' has more to do with Ne, since all ideas should be represented not just the popular ones. While Te by itself is more likely to just accept commonly accepted ideas for efficiency and disregard alternate theories.
This is hard.
So hard.
But I'm pretty sure I must have Te (inferior). Inefficiency really bugs me, especially when I know a better way.
For instance, I don't like cooking because it feels random and slow. To me a new recipe is like starting from scratch. Because they all use different ingredients you don't (and can't) always have at hand, as well as different procedures.
Baking on the other hand is fine because they all use the same basic ingredients - which everyone will have lying around - and principles. Once you know one recipe you know them all. (Yes, Ti, I made an absolute statement. You don't have to tell me about the nuances, my Fi know them just as well as you do.)
I couldn't come up with a system of my own to save my life, but I work very well within an already existing one or can implement one I've seen before.
Thanks for the videos, they really get me thinking. I always keep coming back to me being an INFP despite my mind constantly asking, "but what if...?"
You're making it so much easier to really understand what the functions are and do.
This helped me so much. Thank you so much
What hell ladies no video about the ENTP THE INVENTOR THE LIFE CHANGING PERSONALITY!!!!!!!
We have a full playlist for you guys here :) th-cam.com/play/PLbauC13FulZBWZzGkikdGud4YTKrvCSvD.html
Type Cast Heroes sweet
what about when Te is the inferior function? because I think I'm an INFP but I'm so messy
that is funny, because I heard infp are more messy then INFJ ha ha the more I watch the more contradictions I see
I might be wrong, but in my experience what Te is after is a solution that works for the largest number of people and that's it. In my company, management loves scalability, and I learned to hate it, after being forced to do illogical things for years only because they're scalable. That's pretty much their only reason to be. I'm a Ti user, and this annoys me to no end. It's like Te thinks that if something works for 99% of the people, everyone will be happy because things work. Eh, WRONG! In reality, you can screw half of those 99% of people one way or another, and they (I ) won't be happy only because I'm doing something that works. For me, something has to work and at the same time, make sense and not hurt anyone in any way (because Fe), otherwise it's worthless. I don't care if it's a solution that works and it's scalable, to me it's just garbage and I don't care about your data.
Nice explanation from polr opposites
Thanks for the video! Pretty sure I'm a Te user now.
A friend and I:
Me: these are the facts and this is the external evidence. We don't own the evidence, it just is, but we can sure see the results of people's actions!
Friend: What so and so did to you and a few others was inexcusable, I already told you that, but I'm trying to understand what they were thinking before and after they did this. I just see things differently, so I'm still glad their online presence is growing.
Me: what? So, you're trying to find out info that it's not possible to even find out unless you literally became that person? Because that's the only way you're ever going to "know what was exactly in their mind before and after". What about the results of all this you can actually measure, and the damage it's caused?
Friend: I know you're side, I just see things differently.
Me: I'm lost. I give up. My Fi just can't tolerate the unethical crap and it makes no sense objectively to my Te to do so.
well now I want to know what "crowd sourced thinking" was a euphemism for...
An old Demotivator poster I had in my office:
MEETINGS
Because none of us is as dumb as all of us.
Your ending song is such an NF song!
Oh wow, this just led me to more confusion. Do people ever feel 100% in their type? Seriously.
This is not saying you didn’t explain well, you did very very well. It’s more trying to determine what I actually use. Heading over to Fi-Fe
The Accuracy (Ti) 'accusation" that Effectiveness (Te) "crowd-sources its ideas," and Accuracy (Ti) viewing that as a negative, also circles back to Accuracy (Ti) wanting to "own" the idea.
If the idea itself is a collaborative effort, Accuracy wouldn't be able to think of it as "my idea."
Motivation chef enfj please people aith food make sense?
if you want to interview me let me know I put myself up for the task...
INFJ.
can anyone relate to this ? : I like do things my own way, aand some I think Te users are always trying to correct me even tell me how I should hold a pan, and that is sometimes so frustrating, can you please leave me be ?
If you showed them "data" or statistics as you claim, then that's Ti, not Te. The Te person is correct in situational problem solving. Data doesn't mean anything in a real situation.
As for why you color code your closet or cupboard, I have no clue. Chalk it up to Fe.
INFJ magical eyes and ENFP BOTH GORGEOUS ENERGY BEINGS
19:06 nooooo never -intp
But my ENFP bf will pull out a cooking thermometer and 8 recipe books. To make a sandwich 🫠🤕🤢🥴
Te users can me quicker and more efficient but they also may end up in trap, stuck trying to find the most efficient way , and Ti users just by doing may in the end has better results, It happened to me with my ex, He was looking , trying to fix me, but he could do much less things then I do, it all depends.
Istp here married to an enfp (awesome chaos) 😂 anyway I tell her she is the vision I am the decision 👌💪
I am a weird mixture of te and ti though I will usually go for my te.
One is only using one of them consciously.
That’s funny I am huge writer on Quora over 520k views, thats funny I do the dot thing just like you lol.. ... ....
Interesting!
I genuinely lost interest when this video turned into Amanda just subtly describing all they ways her Te was better than Jess’s Ti.
I realised that too, the heavy Te raining blows on my ears was pretty annoying.
No Te or Ti is better than the other, it depends on what you use since you will usually have a not so pleasant reaction to the axes opposite from yourself. How do we know when someone is right when we all have our own ideas of what’s right. But a side note, I never ever imagined these two having kids they look so young wtf.
I saw the opposite
@@LilacMist No, Te is better. Just objectively. Deal with it.
“It’s good enough.” Very Ti. It’s not the common thought you hear, but when you consider motivation, it makes a lot of sense. It’s not TRYING to be efficient. It’s trying to make something work based on what makes sense to you.
Yeah-yeah, I'm listenin'.
I just wanted to say you two are just glowing in this video, getting prettier every time.
I love when Amanda busts on Jessie (4:35) and Jessie mutters to herself, so cute.
Please make a video with the two of you each having a big glass of wine.
This project is not about them, it's about the MBTI. I like the fact, that they are not just reading a script and also just talk what is in their head. I really love this quality content and i think that not-informative wine-drinking videos doesn't belong here
If you want to type me..
I'm free :)
Enfp or entp
Somebody wrote a sentence last night, I automatically picked the word could out of the sentence and thought why would u write, it could be nice instead of it would be nice..I had to goggle the meanings .
Is that Ti ?
Yet I'm big picture.and will think I see this , and not explain ..I will go to a utube or many videos to understand what I'm learning..from counselling theories, to cooking, I follow recipes, I researched the best dog for our family,deffo colour co ordinated but I will wear the same shoes one black the other brown so it matches my black outfit with a twist of shoes colouring.but I guess Ne can make other possibilities which can seem as Ti ? I see both te and ti..
But happy to be typed to know for sure..
I dont think its about picking words apart but disregarding the complete idea because of few anomalies
@@candycc7969 ohhh ok thanks
This makes more sense--Amanda is ENFP. I've known at least 3 ENFPs who mistyped as ENTJs. It's almost like they misread Te so badly and or Te is so domineering that even in the third slot it feels that intense. Te and Ti can clash quite a bit. My girlfriend is an ENFP, and we get into tizzies all the time during debates, and it's not because Ti finds the flaws in immaterial details--it's because Ti can effectively argue logically. Te can be quite dangerous and lazy, frankly. Te just wants to regurgitate things people think are true. In fact, 78% of the military is Te dom or aux personality types. Literally, Te is the definition of conformity. And yes, I understand there is value in people being able to follow protocol in certain contexts. Te users basically just adopt whatever was the best Ti application of something. It's like it likes being told what to do. Not very innovative, and it needs Ti to actually do the work to find the right answers to things
YES
@Basic Betty "Anybody else here find Te users feeling like they need to control Ti users totally inappropriate?"
I've noticed this A LOT in my life. It is awful, especially as a child/teenager. Still creates dissonance today, and yes there can be some Te "arrogance", where "they"/it" want to shut down Ti, if so to say.
" No Ti, it is too complex ( or takes too much time ), just do it my way, or the way that someone told me is the best", and not going deeper than that, can occur. It is just "what works", what is convenient and (seemingly) efficient, but (almost) never "the best" option. Usually doesn't seem to want to optimize or strengthen things, just to make it work, which has its place, but if Te could take a moment for a decent Ti-usage.. Big win, in relationships of all kinds.
Bottom line, I 'hate' having Te trying to control or limit the Ti, in my experience.
@Basic Betty "Anybody else here find Te users feeling like they need to control Ti users totally inappropriate?
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I haaaated it my whole life, didn't know about mbti all my life of course, but from what I know now, it was/and still is usually Te-users that will wish to "shut my Ti down".
I don't remember the content in an Si-way right now of this video, I'm just taking essentials away from most things I watch, not details. They fade after a rather short time, but for the "point" made, I totally relate to it.
Te gets so uncomfortable when "questioned" by Ti, but Te ( in many people ) surely want to shut down Ti, and ignore it and some more not-so-fun stuff.
Of course, this isn't aaalways the case with aaall people and dynamics, but I have totally seen a pattern that is undeniable, both with ENFP, ESFP and INFPs.
It is like that cannot stand "Ti" lol.
Hey there, I appreciate your comments. : )
I can't help but notice that there seems to be lots of hate on Extraverted Thinking in this particular thread. Our channel is meant to promote a healthy understanding of cognitive functions. It's important to note that no cognitive function in Carl Jung's work is defined as pure conformity. Extraverted Thinking is more action-oriented and outward focused. This does not translate into automatically accepting all external thoughts (it's why Te is on an axis with Fi). In addition, our perceiving functions play a role in what we accept.
Additionally, both extraverted judging functions aim to control the environment (Extraverted Feeling does this as well). To the introverted opposite, this can come across as domineering. The point is that Fe seems controlling to the Fi user as Te can appear to the Ti user. It's important to understand that this is because of someone's own shadow projection onto another person. The mission of TCH is to promote this understanding so that we can navigate our own complexes and become more healthy, whole human beings. :)
Much love,
--J
Type Cast Heroes thanks for the thoughts, but Te is very much about conformity. Correlations between cognitive functions and psychopathy scales prove this to be. Te users are less likely to break social conventions, but have very low empathy. So if you’re coming to use Fi as a balancer, it just is not the case relative to all other types. This is why NTJs run corporate America and get away with crap. Low empathy to take from others (selfish Fi) while flying under the radar by doing it within the bounds of socially acceptable norms (which by the way they dictate and manipulate via Te)
I was arguing with a Ti user and he always pointed out irrelevant points that didn't effect the final argument. Maybe I'm just a smarter Ti user and that doesn't mean I'm a Te user just because the guy was anal retentive.
Okay, i guess i'm still a bit confused. I'm Ti all day in my Ni mind when it comes to how i understand reality, philosophy, religion, people, and various other ideas. But when it comes to DOING things, i'm looking for the way that works best. If someone shows me a way to do something that's different than my way and i find that it is better than my way, i will drop my way and adopt the new way to DO this thing. Although sometimes i will have a little bit of a reluctant feeling to let go of my way. But logically if their way works better i want to better my way by adopting the better way. I'm in the construction business so i actually experience this a lot. Everyone has a certain way of doing things; some worse then my way and some better. I am willing to learn if you can show me why it works better or if i can see on my own that it works better. I also have various simple systems that make my life easier. A backpack with essentials for the day, having things in a certain place for a certain purpose, doing things in a certain way to maximize efficiency. Also, depending on the circumstance, i can problem solve in the real world relatively quickly if i am not too deep in my Ni. But for a lot of my systems i have down for myself it did take some time to formulate them; slowly realizing better ways to do things. Is it possible as an INFJ to have relatively strong Te? Or is there a different explanation that shows how It's almost all still Ti?
Ti can and does fix things IF THEY CARE ABOUT IT BEING FIXED lol. Jerry rigged doesn’t mean not fixed bruh lol. There is just not a need to do it “the only proper way or tools or whatever “ lol. Things can be fixed with a made up way of fixing it 😂I know this is hard for te to accept but … ya. Ur gonna tell me ISTP and estp don’t actually fix things when or if they want to? … hardcore disagree maam. Ti can cook “right” , can fix “right” we do things right lol I think it’s te who only views the most common standardized or societally a reputed or already know way as THE WAY lol. I think ti wants it done WELL , right, precise with quality at times , where te often sacrifices quality for speed and , can plug in any user and they can use this solution. Can plug in any user , makes for best solutions in CERTAIN SCENARIOS , it is not the best solution in all scenarios idk why te doesn’t seem to get this. Te style solutions are not always and wverywhere the best /most correct /better solutions. Lol why does context not matter so often for te users ehyyyy *cries ti tears 😂
Ti doesn’t accept that data is logic bec it’s not. Lol it’s not stubbornness imo it’s , if people are using or rather misusing the interpretation of facts and data or pretending that their interpretation of use of data could be wrong , lol even if they used data that exists , then why does that mean we are only using logic in a way that is “just our own opinion”. I don’t think Ti is being represented well here. Scientific studies for example , what you can acceptably conclude from a set of facts requires logical steps and interpreting and it’s how science and data is often misunderstood or misrepresented. There are limitations on what cannot and can be concluded lol from said facts. This isn’t stubbornness or arrogance lol it’s a commitment to the integrity of the logic involved. Te is very unconcerned with the logic involved and typically slaps broadly accepted facts or data on them to insist that they’re correct. The facts may be. The conclusions or way those facts are used to present ideas by the te person still may not be. Logic is taught in courses , its principles are objective not subjective. The subjectivity of Ti isn’t in the principles of logic themselves. Bec of English language I think these things often get conflated. The subjectivity … innnn my humble opinion comes with the individuals grasp of the logical principles they have learned , as per their individual brains and bodies and experiences and whatever they may have lived to identify somethings as part of their framework but I’d argue that the subjectivity comes with which parts and pieces and principles of logic they’ve identified , at that subjective moment in time , and whether they’re applying all the relevant principles to a situation or not. Bjt logic is logic lol like it doesn’t matter someone’s personal opinion is , in Ti land lol. And research isn’t necessarily helpful to Ti , te is often just looking around them lol to see who is the most celebrated credential and that is correct whatever that person says. Lol things like that it’s just not a good APPLICATION of logic but te is acting like their collection of the most popular facts , are logic. Ijsssssss
Efficient and effective are not the same thing and what defines the most effective solution may not include as much efficiency as the users always believe lol Ijs it depends on the nature of the problem the context etc