This scene was really good. Regardless of how you feel about Charles. And Phillip’s conversation with William. This episode of the Crown did a good job portraying grief. And this conversation described the anger stage of grief phenomenonally well.
And probably accurate in spirt to how William and Philip where to each other. The grandparent had a very close relationship with their grandchildren preticularly after their mother died. William was said to be preticularly close to Philip and Harry to Elizabeth. I was close to my grandparents growing up and I could see me and my grandfather having a similar conversation if we were in a similar situation.
This was one of the most moving scenes in the entire series. Prince Philip appearing in William´s dorm room and then having this man-to-man talk and then driving William to see his father and his father just holds him as Prince Philip looks on. That is real masculinity!
Prince Philip's bit at the very end was a great throwback to the season 2 episode flashback of the funeral of his favorite sister Cecile. That quote is almost verbatim what Lord Mountbatten told the teenaged Philip after Prince Andrew blamed him for his sister's death during the wake.
The way Philip says he wishes for Charles' forgiveness in "too few" occasions, I thought he meant the "two" incidents where he called Charles weak and resented his relationship with Louis Mountbatten. Either way, this show did a good job closing this chapter.
I have no idea if that chat ever took place, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. But whether or not it did, I adored it, and like to imagine that it did, or at least a version of it. It was like the best kind of therapy through lived experience of an elder to a younger. Just brilliant insight, brilliant delivery, brilliant expression of wisdom, brilliant writing. If Phillip was even remotely as insightful and wise as his Crown doppelgänger, then he was truly a great man.
There was a lot of soap opera and make believe in the last few seasons, but one thing I can never fault this show for was the acting. This scene is superbly performed.
You know I feel how complicated and conflicting it can be to choose between your parents and family life. Deep down I really do feel the sadness behind unresolved guilt and grief. Things you can never take back. Being a child of divorced parents is really a neverending heartbreak 💔🙏🏻 yes you live life but inside you always feel divided and unworthy of living up to everyones high expectations of you. Always putting you in a unfair standard. Not being able to process how you really feel about everything going on in your life and being hurt and angry and sad at the same time. I love how Williams granddad understood his deep feelings. And helping him understand that it's okay to feel these difficult feelings without feeling ashamed of himself about it. Having feelings of unresolved family losses and losing a loved one and being naturally hurt by them too. It's a very heartfelt comforting moment of self reflection 🪞. When one of your own recognises the deep silent pain you feel inside 💠 it's a very deep scene. I could feel the sadness behind such personal real problems. That never gets solved in real life. One of life's heartbreaking truths.
I wholeheartedly believe that William could've been much more like his mother had they not paraded him around with her coffin. No child should be made a spectacle at their mother's funeral
But had "they" not paraded him around, as you call it, "they" would have been called even worse names by her mindless fans and the groupies of the press. Controlling, unfeeling, etc.
I don't think he has that extroverted personality that she had. He seems quiet and softly spoken and also very dutiful. I've never seen him seek the spotlight like his brother does or his mother did.
Probably. But I think Harry wanted a relationship like William & Catherine have and he thought he could jump at the chance with Meghan. What Harry failed to understand was that William and Catherine knew each other for a long time beforehand- thus deepening their relationship.
Someone should do a montage on philip at Gordonstoun video …with Philips quarrell and Mountbattens advice to Philip in the funeral about fathers and mistakes
There may very well come a day when Prince George and Prince Louis look at Prince William with murder their eyes too. Who knows. Maybe Princess Charlotte will join them too. William may not be Charles or Philip, but Philip isn't wrong to ask of this of William: to try and remember that he was once where they are standing.
Yes they were always too generous to Prince Philip’s personality in this programme. Though Matt Smiths portrayal was the most realistic one as he was the most vile out of the three actors!
If this is true, I had the very similar experience because my mother and father died when I was 12 years old, myself never being able to be angry more so at my mother for abandoning me. Of course, I never felt I could direct my anger towards her to her because she could not control her dying. So where do you put all of that hurt and grief? But nonetheless, I was abandoned. In my case, I never directed it towards anybody else but into myself. I never knew until someone pointed it out to me. Can you imaging a child of 12 having to deal with this. I never overcame it, and it has left me alone and by myself my entire life. Never to partner with anyone for any length of time. Overtime mostly resigned to being alone and coping with that. Sad because most people describe me as caring kind good person.
What makes you think that Harry listened? Everyone told him, from his father, brother, grandparents and friends to take it slow with Meghan but he would not listen to them and rushed ahead and married her quickly. So who is truly at fault? Also, this is pure fiction with a small element of reality. So please don’t be fooled by this show as it was supposed to have that it is fiction at the beginning of each episode.
In Spare, Harry describes his discovery and infatuation with Meghan as love at first sight -- online, no less. He threw his family under the bus for her.
@@l.a.3479what? Telling your grandson to forgive his father for hurting his mother? William wasn't dumb to not know his father emotionally hurt his mother
@@kimberleymorris8052 that's the thing. That would have been traumatic for him because his father caused his mother into that. Prince Phillip expecting William to forgive Charles is absurd.
this is really good scene and if this really happen its incredible, but i also think this is also the issue here as william had been given answers , support , understanding and wisdom over this whole matter for him to better cope with this where as on the other side to harry they have never even bothered to listen to him or hear him our or understand him , thy always rejected his feeelings as unworth and that they had dealed it wiht william they some how thought that they have also done with harry who really had never been taken in the picture, that same is the reason whuy william is so close to charles now and is able to deal with anger where harry anger is still there, he never was alloerd to express or to be listended, in whole crown series when ever this sort of personal scene is happening always william is ony there harry is hardly shown and when shown he is made to be quite, this is not fair , thay only wanted to appease the childresn by appeaseing the william and throw hands in the air and let harry figure out himself , which is really shitty and its allcomming back now,
You’re right about Harry. For YEARS I’ve noticed this disparity between how these boys were treated. I so wish Diana hadn’t passed away in that ghastly car crash. She could’ve reared her sons herself and it would’ve made a world of difference in how they would be today. 💔
I agree. If you look back, more attention was always bestowed on the heir while the rest had to figure it out on their own. First, Margaret. Then Anne, Andrew and Edward. And now Harry.
No, he’s not, and saying something this stupid and insensitive makes me wonder if you have ever had to process grief. I know we live in a society where people say idiotic things to get a reaction out of others, but good lord, sometimes people like you should really just keep quiet.
So he convinces his grieving grandson that he’s actually mad at his dead mother for leaving them instead of letting his son deal with the fallout of his own actions and handle things himself. Hated this scene so much.
Try again. If not for Diana being caught cheating which lead to Charles separating from her then they would have still been married. As for her still being alive, well, if she did not get into a car with someone who had been drinking all night and had worn her seat belt then she would have survived just like the bodyguard did.
@@michauxbôts It isn’t always but I was trying, and obviously failed, to point out there are two sides. But I am so fed up of all of the Diana worshippers who can’t and won’t see anything wrong with her. I outgrew that a long time ago.
Uhhh....it actually was Charles indirectly who caused Diana's death. If he had never been a sleaze ball and didn't force Diana to Marry him when he clearly wanted to marry Camilla, she never would've been unhappy, divorced him, and been with that guy in the Taxi that night. If they had a loving relationship, she would've been safe at home. Nobody knows what could've been. But I think we all can agree that while Charles didn't shoot her or crash her car, he is the reason why she was not safely home.
there are way too many gaps in between that Carles had nothing to do with. He didn't force Diana to marry him. That was the royals who arranged it and she consented to it. She slept around herself. They were so different that of course they divorced. Then, who she hung out with, as a grown woman, was her choice- especially when she stole the guy from another woman- there were a million other men se could have chosen. That she courted the media so they because more hungry for her, was her choice. That she returned to Paris instead of staying home with her kids was her choice. That she got in a car without a seatbelt was her choice.
No. No one in the royal family can be blamed for her death. She made a poor choice to ride in a speeding car, without a seat belt, with an impaired driver.
Not true. Diana certainly had her share of the responsibility for her own demise. She refused royal protection, got into a car with a drunk driver, and didn't fasten her seat belt.
When I watched this, I'm reminded when my mother suddenly died of cancer when I was 21, my other siblings were 17, 15 and 14. Some of us siblings in grief lashed out at my poor, greiving father at the time, unfairly, just like William. So when you say rich people's problems, I disagree. This scene was a bit of therapy for me too, eventhough the event was some 30 years ago.
What Phillip never got as a young man, he can finally bestow upon his grandchild.
Indeed he was able to counsel William a little more generously than Charles.
This scene was really good. Regardless of how you feel about Charles. And Phillip’s conversation with William. This episode of the Crown did a good job portraying grief. And this conversation described the anger stage of grief phenomenonally well.
And probably accurate in spirt to how William and Philip where to each other. The grandparent had a very close relationship with their grandchildren preticularly after their mother died. William was said to be preticularly close to Philip and Harry to Elizabeth. I was close to my grandparents growing up and I could see me and my grandfather having a similar conversation if we were in a similar situation.
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This was one of the most moving scenes in the entire series. Prince Philip appearing in William´s dorm room and then having this man-to-man talk and then driving William to see his father and his father just holds him as Prince Philip looks on. That is real masculinity!
I love Jonathan Pryce. I always have. He played this role beautifully.
Nah. He's always got a little grin/smirk all the time. It's irritating.
he is unbelievably talented
@@john.premoseNo. That would be the actor who played him in the first 2 seasons, IMO.
@@l.a.3479 no it would be Jonathan Pryce
Absaloute knockout performance
Prince Philip's bit at the very end was a great throwback to the season 2 episode flashback of the funeral of his favorite sister Cecile. That quote is almost verbatim what Lord Mountbatten told the teenaged Philip after Prince Andrew blamed him for his sister's death during the wake.
Exactly, I love it as a full circle moment in the series.
If the real Prince Phillip was half the grandfather he is portrayed to be in "The Crown," he was a d@mn fine grandfather and family patriarch indeed.
Both boys were only teenagers when they lost their mother. It must have been a time they needed their mother the most.
The power of silence can not be underestimated.
The High Sparrow really knows how to deliver lines. ;)
😂
The way Philip says he wishes for Charles' forgiveness in "too few" occasions, I thought he meant the "two" incidents where he called Charles weak and resented his relationship with Louis Mountbatten. Either way, this show did a good job closing this chapter.
Think it also rectifies his failure to connect with Charles as a father.
And I'm certain he meant many other incidents that weren't shown onscreen but were implied over the course of the series.
I have no idea if that chat ever took place, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. But whether or not it did, I adored it, and like to imagine that it did, or at least a version of it. It was like the best kind of therapy through lived experience of an elder to a younger. Just brilliant insight, brilliant delivery, brilliant expression of wisdom, brilliant writing. If Phillip was even remotely as insightful and wise as his Crown doppelgänger, then he was truly a great man.
There was a lot of soap opera and make believe in the last few seasons, but one thing I can never fault this show for was the acting. This scene is superbly performed.
One of the best scenes of the series.
You know I feel how complicated and conflicting it can be to choose between your parents and family life. Deep down I really do feel the sadness behind unresolved guilt and grief. Things you can never take back. Being a child of divorced parents is really a neverending heartbreak 💔🙏🏻 yes you live life but inside you always feel divided and unworthy of living up to everyones high expectations of you. Always putting you in a unfair standard. Not being able to process how you really feel about everything going on in your life and being hurt and angry and sad at the same time. I love how Williams granddad understood his deep feelings. And helping him understand that it's okay to feel these difficult feelings without feeling ashamed of himself about it. Having feelings of unresolved family losses and losing a loved one and being naturally hurt by them too. It's a very heartfelt comforting moment of self reflection 🪞. When one of your own recognises the deep silent pain you feel inside 💠 it's a very deep scene. I could feel the sadness behind such personal real problems. That never gets solved in real life. One of life's heartbreaking truths.
Prince Philip is right never play chess while being emotional the game of chess should be played dispassionately and thinking 4 or 5 step's ahead
Extraordinary scene.
Phillip is saying to William what Lord Mountbatten said to him at his sister’s funeral
The actor who plays William could be a young Luke Skywalker in Star Wars!
He looks CGI.
I wish … and hope that Prince Philip was capable of doing the same in reality.
I wholeheartedly believe that William could've been much more like his mother had they not paraded him around with her coffin. No child should be made a spectacle at their mother's funeral
But had "they" not paraded him around, as you call it, "they" would have been called even worse names by her mindless fans and the groupies of the press. Controlling, unfeeling, etc.
@WilfBond55 they already get called that anyways, no excuse. One should always put protecting children over ones own image
I don't think he has that extroverted personality that she had. He seems quiet and softly spoken and also very dutiful. I've never seen him seek the spotlight like his brother does or his mother did.
The queen and philip was way too good to hide their son's wrong doings
I am sure HRH Philip gave advice to Harry about His Wife as well .
Probably. But I think Harry wanted a relationship like William & Catherine have and he thought he could jump at the chance with Meghan. What Harry failed to understand was that William and Catherine knew each other for a long time beforehand- thus deepening their relationship.
Phil told him he should only play the field with showgirls, not marry them
"One doesn't marry an actress, one only steps out with them."
Someone should do a montage on philip at Gordonstoun video …with Philips quarrell and Mountbattens advice to Philip in the funeral about fathers and mistakes
There may very well come a day when Prince George and Prince Louis look at Prince William with murder their eyes too. Who knows. Maybe Princess Charlotte will join them too. William may not be Charles or Philip, but Philip isn't wrong to ask of this of William: to try and remember that he was once where they are standing.
I know of no parents who have not had their child’s anger aimed at them at least once for one reason or another.
@@DC-bp8sx Exactly the point
I suspect that this portrayal is more empathetic than Prince Phillip would have been in real life.
Yes they were always too generous to Prince Philip’s personality in this programme. Though Matt Smiths portrayal was the most realistic one as he was the most vile out of the three actors!
My favorite scene of the whole series
If this is true, I had the very similar experience because my mother and father died when I was 12 years old, myself never being able to be angry more so at my mother for abandoning me. Of course, I never felt I could direct my anger towards her to her because she could not control her dying. So where do you put all of that hurt and grief? But nonetheless, I was abandoned. In my case, I never directed it towards anybody else but into myself. I never knew until someone pointed it out to me. Can you imaging a child of 12 having to deal with this. I never overcame it, and it has left me alone and by myself my entire life. Never to partner with anyone for any length of time. Overtime mostly resigned to being alone and coping with that. Sad because most people describe me as caring kind good person.
Good actor. Hated him in GOT. Loved him here.
High Sparrow!? Lots of beloved GOT actors in this. 😂😂😂
His uncle told Philip the same thing in season one after his sister funeral & his father abused him.
How to use a pair of scissors properly when cutting a ribbon 🤣🤣
Who talked and guided Harry about this?
His father, he took both boys to Africa so they could grief together in privacy.
Remember this is fiction. It is the writers imagination about what took place. Don’t drink Harry’s KoolAid.
What makes you think that Harry listened? Everyone told him, from his father, brother, grandparents and friends to take it slow with Meghan but he would not listen to them and rushed ahead and married her quickly. So who is truly at fault? Also, this is pure fiction with a small element of reality. So please don’t be fooled by this show as it was supposed to have that it is fiction at the beginning of each episode.
In Spare, Harry describes his discovery and infatuation with Meghan as love at first sight -- online, no less. He threw his family under the bus for her.
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Idk what was up with this version of Phillip but he wasn’t my favorite. Tobias Menzies hit it out of the park for me.
The actor who plays William looks a lot like Milo Yiannopoulos.
Uh phillip she told you she'd go and find love somewhere else . Cause you didn't appreciate her
How could Prince Philip say something like such to William?
They were words of wisdom--what are you referring to?!
@@l.a.3479what? Telling your grandson to forgive his father for hurting his mother? William wasn't dumb to not know his father emotionally hurt his mother
William was Diana’s emotional punch bag. She told him too much at such a young age
@@kimberleymorris8052 that's the thing. That would have been traumatic for him because his father caused his mother into that. Prince Phillip expecting William to forgive Charles is absurd.
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it was all of their faults.
this is really good scene and if this really happen its incredible, but i also think this is also the issue here as william had been given answers , support , understanding and wisdom over this whole matter for him to better cope with this where as on the other side to harry they have never even bothered to listen to him or hear him our or understand him , thy always rejected his feeelings as unworth and that they had dealed it wiht william they some how thought that they have also done with harry who really had never been taken in the picture, that same is the reason whuy william is so close to charles now and is able to deal with anger where harry anger is still there, he never was alloerd to express or to be listended, in whole crown series when ever this sort of personal scene is happening always william is ony there harry is hardly shown and when shown he is made to be quite, this is not fair , thay only wanted to appease the childresn by appeaseing the william and throw hands in the air and let harry figure out himself , which is really shitty and its allcomming back now,
You’re right about Harry. For YEARS I’ve noticed this disparity between how these boys were treated. I so wish Diana hadn’t passed away in that ghastly car crash. She could’ve reared her sons herself and it would’ve made a world of difference in how they would be today. 💔
I agree. If you look back, more attention was always bestowed on the heir while the rest had to figure it out on their own. First, Margaret. Then Anne, Andrew and Edward. And now Harry.
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It's everyone's fault who knew he loved Camilla but let Diana marry him anyway.
No, it's his own fault.
Nope. He's just mad at Charles. Don't overthink it, Phil.
No, he’s not, and saying something this stupid and insensitive makes me wonder if you have ever had to process grief. I know we live in a society where people say idiotic things to get a reaction out of others, but good lord, sometimes people like you should really just keep quiet.
Despite Philips fault he was a wonderful grandad he loved his grandkids and they adored him.
So he convinces his grieving grandson that he’s actually mad at his dead mother for leaving them instead of letting his son deal with the fallout of his own actions and handle things himself. Hated this scene so much.
Phillip charles loved someone else so he is at fault
AGREED !
Couldn't they have gotten a better looking guy to play William? And I understand what it is like to be uncomfortable in front of crowds.
This is not an accusation: but for Charles's willful actions, William's mother would still have been alive.
agree!!
Try again. If not for Diana being caught cheating which lead to Charles separating from her then they would have still been married. As for her still being alive, well, if she did not get into a car with someone who had been drinking all night and had worn her seat belt then she would have survived just like the bodyguard did.
@charlenebarker9062 - You're right - one way or another, it's always the woman's fault ...
@@michauxbôts It isn’t always but I was trying, and obviously failed, to point out there are two sides. But I am so fed up of all of the Diana worshippers who can’t and won’t see anything wrong with her. I outgrew that a long time ago.
That's just false, blaming Charles for Diana's death.
Uhhh....it actually was Charles indirectly who caused Diana's death. If he had never been a sleaze ball and didn't force Diana to Marry him when he clearly wanted to marry Camilla, she never would've been unhappy, divorced him, and been with that guy in the Taxi that night. If they had a loving relationship, she would've been safe at home.
Nobody knows what could've been. But I think we all can agree that while Charles didn't shoot her or crash her car, he is the reason why she was not safely home.
there are way too many gaps in between that Carles had nothing to do with. He didn't force Diana to marry him. That was the royals who arranged it and she consented to it. She slept around herself. They were so different that of course they divorced. Then, who she hung out with, as a grown woman, was her choice- especially when she stole the guy from another woman- there were a million other men se could have chosen. That she courted the media so they because more hungry for her, was her choice. That she returned to Paris instead of staying home with her kids was her choice. That she got in a car without a seatbelt was her choice.
How could he have a loving relationship with a mentally ill woman?
facts
@@fahimfaisalmahir567That goes both ways, he was no shining example of a stable personality
No. No one in the royal family can be blamed for her death. She made a poor choice to ride in a speeding car, without a seat belt, with an impaired driver.
Of cource Charles and his family drove Diana into the accident - without shelter
Not true. Diana certainly had her share of the responsibility for her own demise. She refused royal protection, got into a car with a drunk driver, and didn't fasten her seat belt.
Upon Diana’s death, my mother said it all: “If YOU {Charles} had loved her {Diana}, she wouldn’t have been with another man….”
And even if he never could love Diana, if he hadn’t been the shithead he was to her then things could have ended slightly better
AGREED !
@@DVPerry220 AGREED !
Rich people’s problems …
When I watched this, I'm reminded when my mother suddenly died of cancer when I was 21, my other siblings were 17, 15 and 14. Some of us siblings in grief lashed out at my poor, greiving father at the time, unfairly, just like William. So when you say rich people's problems, I disagree. This scene was a bit of therapy for me too, eventhough the event was some 30 years ago.
No its a universal problem facing grief. Rich or Poor.