One thing I want to mention that some people may not like about these tubs with above floor rough-ins; the tub looks like a deep soaker, but is a standard 15” deep tub inside. The space for the rough-in drain raises the bottom of tub, so you are sitting or standing much higher than you typically would in a normal tub. something to be aware of
Good point, especially for senior citizens. Please add a future video for retrofitting grab bars for entering and exiting a bathtub, since falls lead to bad outcomes.
Bro, I absolutely love your videos!!! You’re one of the best in the business. I love how you thorough you are as you explain what you’re doing. You’re a true artist!
Good install! I have just a couple of thoughts. First, being out of level 1/4 over 4 feet is too much in my books. It just makes a perfect tile job so much more difficult. In this case, at least the slope assists the draining of the tub. If the floor sloped the other way draining would slow. Second, I always deburr all pipe carefully, even factory cuts. It takes extra time but sharp edges and burrs catch long hair and can cause flow problems over time. My wife has long hair so I speak from experience. Anyways, good job! You earned your pay.
I’m a service plumber and if I worked in the same state as this guy and his silicone I think I would move. Holy cow! He does get the job done though and it looks nice.
@@shantor100 Plumber's putty will last 10 years and they say it will not harden. I just removed a 50 year old tub drain and the putty is hard and brittle. Silicone will last 20 years and will harden and is difficult to remove. But who is going to use the same fixture after 20 years anyway!
@@joecenturion ME! My tub is 40 years old maybe? I've been in the house for 36 years...guess what I am replacing it this weekend LOL Plumbers putty or Silicone? Which should I use? Delta acrylic tub, my delta shower with plumbers putty starts to drip every 3 or 4 months and I have to tighten the drain a bit to stop it. Any idea why?
When you installed a backer board in this case, did you use 7/16" OSB board piece on existing stud to place board inside of tub edge? OR just set a backer board by slightly level inward with 1-1/4 washer installed?
Only thing is, a 1/4 in out of level might not matter to most plumbers, but it matters to us that have to either install the tile or tub surround...1/4 in. Is alot
I installed one of these tubs in my own house. I like to use a Kohler cast-iron tub, but working alone I had to use the Americast. I hate it, I have always hated it, and I always will. The darn thing oil canned on me the first time I used it, and every time I used it. I had to go downstairs, open the ceiling, grill the above floor and fill the space with great stuff.
@@jjphresh7058 in the old days, oil cans had a slightly domed bottom. When pressed, the bottom flexed, making a sound when the dome popped the other way. The tub did a similar thing when I stepped on it. It flexed, I suppose because the metal is too thin. At the time I weighed around 225 or so.
@@bmcc12 Oh ok, I understand now. I read on another review that there was constant “pop” sound when exiting the tub. I imagine that’s what this was. Thanks again!
Nice. Few things: The Fernco rubber ocupling you ended up using is not good for concealed pipe locations. You should have used No-Hub shielded coupling that actually fits over 1 1/2" Copper pipe (the one you showed us in the beginning of the clip ). Second that PVC riser cannot change size below the weir of the trap. You should have gone higher with that riser connecting trap and tub overflow drain., Lastly, I am perplexed by the use of silicone ! Otherwise, thumb up !
Thanks for the video, I'm installing similar enamel tub but I don't have access from the other side of the wall (well I could but trying to avoid it) and there are also copper fittings in place, so can't put the tub sidewise to then turn it 90*. Any advice? I guess I'll need to remove more drywall around and just slide it in place horizontally, right? It really is a tight fit.
Thank you for the video. I found out this past weekend during my remodel that the plumbing vent for my tub is actually partially within the 30"x60" space for the tub. They ran the vent in a corner where the old tub contour allowed for them to fit the vent pipe in and down to the drain, then they ran the vent up the stud wall cavity. Is this normal? Now I need to find a new tub that has the same profile to allow the vent to stay where it is. Thank you
Yeah, sometimes vents are placed there. Not really sure why some do that. But most of the time they are tucked in corner or front where a regular tub would clear it. If not, you may want to reroute the vent. Sorry for delayed response, did you make out okay on it?
Hi, is it possible to bend the flange of the tub in order to make it fit? I have a porcelain coated tub and the space is about 1/8-1/4 inch narrower than what I need it to be. I know that the flange of the tub might make a difference
I’m not sure it’s a good idea to apply silicone to rubber seals as the rubber seal is compressible and functions via contact area and pressure where cured silicone is incompressible relying on adhesion and elasticity of the cured product to seal. Also if you ever need to service the drain/overflow it’s going to make thing difficult.
Did u put mortar down??? Saw the bucket. How did u access the final connection of the drain. That’s the hardest part of this and I’m still scratching my head..,
Really informative video! I saw the bucket there but wasn’t sure if you set a mortar bed or not. I’m doing one now that doesn’t have a perfectly level subfloor. The tub says it doesn’t need one but I don’t want any creaking. I heard some guys use spray foam instead of mortar. What do you suggest?
Definitely mortar. Spray foam doesn’t do much and isn’t Structral (I’m sure they’ll come out with one that is some day…) this specific tub is above roughin, so the base of tub was like 8” recessed at bottom, but standard tubs you can easily set in mortar. I was actually going to set this in mortar but didn’t realize it was that much height, 😆 I wouldn’t necessarily recommend an above rough in, unless you really need it 👍
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher hey so I just ordered this same tub actually with the above floor drain. With that being said, do I not need to pour mortar before putting the tub down?
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher lol I figured would have been nearly impossible with that much heigh haha. So now I have 4 options. Which would be your preference. All Princeton tubs: - above floor rough in tub - above floor rough in tub with integral drain/ built in drain - in floor rough in tub - in floor rough in tub with integral drain/ built in drain Everything is out of stock I ordered all 4, not sure which to use hahaha.. will cancel the other 3. lol
I too noticed the mortar bucket and thought you set the tub in a bed of it. Should a wood platform be built for stability and support of the bottom. Seems necessary to do it best. I think your videos are very informative. Thank you
I need replace my current one piece bath tub however the current bath tub opening measures 58 3/4". Of all the bath tubs I came across measure 60". Any recommendations?
Isn't 1 floor joist compromised, where it was notched to accommodate the old plumbing? The maximum amount that can be removed safely is 1/3 the depth of the joist; otherwise, the joist should be sistered with new lumber.
It is for sure. I typically run into no access situations in basements a lot. It takes a bit more accuracy, but you need to set the trap at the right location before setting tub into place. This requires dry fitting the tub a bunch of times to get it right. I demonstrate this in this video - th-cam.com/video/fLKRSQJLb2E/w-d-xo.html And if you wouldn’t mind, after watching that video on the other channel, please leave a comment to Jeff telling him to pay me. He thinks he owns all those videos I’m in and has stopped paying me. Thanks
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher Will do. That's horrible he hasn't paid you. I figured you went out on your own. I love your videos. It just takes a while to build a following. I know nothing about how youtube works but try having some click bait titles.
I am going with a princeton over rough with integral drain because of your excellent videos. Newbie question: you are using a clear is 100 % "sealant" vs. a silicone "caulk" correct?
Yes, 100% silicon. One thing to note on those integral Princeton tubs, the trap typically needs to be directly below it. So make sure you don’t have a joist in the way! If you haven’t already my course will help out with everything else 👍 bathroomremodeling.teachable.com/p/tub-shower-bathroom-remodel-in-7-days-or-less
Why not use an integrated overflow, and get rid of all the possible points of failure with those slip joints? I second El Mono's comment regarding the 100% silicone. But looks like work sure goes quick. But is it penny wise, pound foolish?
I feel cheated. You didn’t show us the most important hardest part. Placing the tub drain in the trap that you can’t see underneath. What if you miss it?
They say a quarter of a inch maters I say wrong if you have a brain if its lower at the drain it's better because it is all water in a tub so you will always have a great drain and taking a shower you won't have water in the tub
You had me until you used the Fernco, They are illegal above ground. Should have used the Mission Coupling you showed a little earlier. Most of your videos are excellent, but do it right.
This little th-cam.com/users/postUgkxVoi3B4CB6Oygq1-vo4OTL1M_M5JkrXif tub works perfect in our 6 x 6 shower and is easy to get in and out. Also easy to drain.
As soon as I seen him using OSB under a bathtub instead of actual plywood, I was done. And somebody’s going to be replacing this floor in another five years
Osb is no longer particle board crap. It actually withstands much more abuse than standard ply. I used to feel the same way as you until I built my whole house with it and have done dozens of bathrooms
you sweat alot, I bet even when its not that hot. You should change your diet and try lowering your blood pressure. Your body is trying to tell you somehting! I have the same issue. diet change can help. -Cheers
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One thing I want to mention that some people may not like about these tubs with above floor rough-ins; the tub looks like a deep soaker, but is a standard 15” deep tub inside. The space for the rough-in drain raises the bottom of tub, so you are sitting or standing much higher than you typically would in a normal tub. something to be aware of
Good point, especially for senior citizens. Please add a future video for retrofitting grab bars for entering and exiting a bathtub, since falls lead to bad outcomes.
Thanks for the great videos. Question. I do have access under the tub via crawlspace. Do I need the above floor rough-in tub? Thanks.
@@jjc355 no, only if joists are in the way of drain assembly. 👍
Am not going to do any of this ,just amazed and impressed with the workmanship .😀
From 20:48’ I don’t see how did you install the P trap to the bathtub.
Bro, I absolutely love your videos!!! You’re one of the best in the business. I love how you thorough you are as you explain what you’re doing. You’re a true artist!
I don’t ever use OSB underneath anything that’s wet.. If you can use CDS plywood, it has exterior glue that helps prevent rotting.😊
One of the best videos I’ve seen about tub installation 👍
Good install! I have just a couple of thoughts. First, being out of level 1/4 over 4 feet is too much in my books. It just makes a perfect tile job so much more difficult. In this case, at least the slope assists the draining of the tub. If the floor sloped the other way draining would slow.
Second, I always deburr all pipe carefully, even factory cuts. It takes extra time but sharp edges and burrs catch long hair and can cause flow problems over time. My wife has long hair so I speak from experience.
Anyways, good job! You earned your pay.
Do you ever sister a 2X6 to the cut out on the floor joist since you have it open?
Great instruction - thanks. Question : did you put any mortar bed under tub?
I’m a service plumber and if I worked in the same state as this guy and his silicone I think I would move. Holy cow! He does get the job done though and it looks nice.
😆 yeah I always told myself, once I get asked to replace the stuff I’ve installed, I’m done! 😆 thanks 👍
Plus you may or may not be able to undo that boot with the screw ends facing up
@@shantor100 Plumber's putty will last 10 years and they say it will not harden. I just removed a 50 year old tub drain and the putty is hard and brittle. Silicone will last 20 years and will harden and is difficult to remove. But who is going to use the same fixture after 20 years anyway!
@@joecenturion true
@@joecenturion ME! My tub is 40 years old maybe? I've been in the house for 36 years...guess what I am replacing it this weekend LOL Plumbers putty or Silicone? Which should I use? Delta acrylic tub, my delta shower with plumbers putty starts to drip every 3 or 4 months and I have to tighten the drain a bit to stop it. Any idea why?
I always run a drain snake down through especially if system is very old ( drum trap ) saves a call back ...
Not a bad idea! 👍
When you installed a backer board in this case, did you use 7/16" OSB board piece on existing stud to place board inside of tub edge? OR just set a backer board by slightly level inward with 1-1/4 washer installed?
Only thing is, a 1/4 in out of level might not matter to most plumbers, but it matters to us that have to either install the tile or tub surround...1/4 in. Is alot
Ahh….not really. But I agree perfectly level is best 👍
Tile not so much. surround yes
Read my reply you're wrong
I loved his video
Does the male metal threads from drain not crack females end of the abs/pvc, over time?
I installed one of these tubs in my own house. I like to use a Kohler cast-iron tub, but working alone I had to use the Americast. I hate it, I have always hated it, and I always will. The darn thing oil canned on me the first time I used it, and every time I used it. I had to go downstairs, open the ceiling, grill the above floor and fill the space with great stuff.
What do you mean "oil canned"? Thanks. Was looking into this tub but not sure how it would hold up in the long run.
@@jjphresh7058 in the old days, oil cans had a slightly domed bottom. When pressed, the bottom flexed, making a sound when the dome popped the other way. The tub did a similar thing when I stepped on it. It flexed, I suppose because the metal is too thin. At the time I weighed around 225 or so.
@@bmcc12 Oh ok, I understand now. I read on another review that there was constant “pop” sound when exiting the tub. I imagine that’s what this was. Thanks again!
Nice. Few things: The Fernco rubber ocupling you ended up using is not good for concealed pipe locations. You should have used No-Hub shielded coupling that actually fits over 1 1/2" Copper pipe (the one you showed us in the beginning of the clip ). Second that PVC riser cannot change size below the weir of the trap. You should have gone higher with that riser connecting trap and tub overflow drain., Lastly, I am perplexed by the use of silicone ! Otherwise, thumb up !
All great points 👍 it’s all accessible from below in basement.
Awesome video thanks
Thanks for the video, I'm installing similar enamel tub but I don't have access from the other side of the wall (well I could but trying to avoid it) and there are also copper fittings in place, so can't put the tub sidewise to then turn it 90*. Any advice? I guess I'll need to remove more drywall around and just slide it in place horizontally, right? It really is a tight fit.
Do you have to remove the black resin around the lip of the Americast tub so that the steel tub flange sets against the wall studs and backer board?
can the tub still be removed with tub wrench if you use silicone over plumbers putty?
did he go from ABS to PVC? is that ok?
Thank you for the video. I found out this past weekend during my remodel that the plumbing vent for my tub is actually partially within the 30"x60" space for the tub. They ran the vent in a corner where the old tub contour allowed for them to fit the vent pipe in and down to the drain, then they ran the vent up the stud wall cavity. Is this normal? Now I need to find a new tub that has the same profile to allow the vent to stay where it is. Thank you
Yeah, sometimes vents are placed there. Not really sure why some do that. But most of the time they are tucked in corner or front where a regular tub would clear it. If not, you may want to reroute the vent. Sorry for delayed response, did you make out okay on it?
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher I decided to go with a shower pan and I built up a false floor of about 4" to clear the vent. I hope it all works out.
mortar under the tub?
thank you for the knowledge you share! really useful👍
What was the gray stuff in the orange bucket? Was that just a weight to hold down the plywood?
It was the mortor mix he didn't show that is placed under the tub .
@@Charles-f7d2x What? Seems like an important part of an install?
Really helpful tips on installing a bathtub! Thanks, Steve!
Hi, is it possible to bend the flange of the tub in order to make it fit? I have a porcelain coated tub and the space is about 1/8-1/4 inch narrower than what I need it to be. I know that the flange of the tub might make a difference
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I’m not sure it’s a good idea to apply silicone to rubber seals as the rubber seal is compressible and functions via contact area and pressure where cured silicone is incompressible relying on adhesion and elasticity of the cured product to seal. Also if you ever need to service the drain/overflow it’s going to make thing difficult.
Did u put mortar down??? Saw the bucket. How did u access the final connection of the drain. That’s the hardest part of this and I’m still scratching my head..,
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I'm sure he connected the overflow to the trap
Perhaps a dumb question but was this bathtub in an upstairs bathroom?
how do you know when a home has asbestos or lead? im always scared to mess with older homes because of it.
I think there are test kits, but assume it’s in everything if built before 1970
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher do you test it to find out for sure?
@@culau3 no try to ignore how much I’ve already inhaled 😆
I’m not sure fiberglass is much different. Asbestos just got all the lawyers behind it
Real world. Are you going from 1 1/2 pvc to 1 1/2 abs under that rubber coupling with the nuts facing up?
Yes 👍
Really informative video! I saw the bucket there but wasn’t sure if you set a mortar bed or not. I’m doing one now that doesn’t have a perfectly level subfloor. The tub says it doesn’t need one but I don’t want any creaking. I heard some guys use spray foam instead of mortar. What do you suggest?
Definitely mortar. Spray foam doesn’t do much and isn’t Structral (I’m sure they’ll come out with one that is some day…) this specific tub is above roughin, so the base of tub was like 8” recessed at bottom, but standard tubs you can easily set in mortar. I was actually going to set this in mortar but didn’t realize it was that much height, 😆 I wouldn’t necessarily recommend an above rough in, unless you really need it 👍
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher hey so I just ordered this same tub actually with the above floor drain. With that being said, do I not need to pour mortar before putting the tub down?
@@ItsWaleedsWorld no, it’s sturdy enough without it. Plus the bottom of tub will be like 4” off of floor. Would take a lot of mortar to fill it, 😆
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher
lol I figured would have been nearly impossible with that much heigh haha. So now I have 4 options. Which would be your preference. All Princeton tubs:
- above floor rough in tub
- above floor rough in tub with integral drain/ built in drain
- in floor rough in tub
- in floor rough in tub with integral drain/ built in drain
Everything is out of stock I ordered all 4, not sure which to use hahaha.. will cancel the other 3. lol
I too noticed the mortar bucket and thought you set the tub in a bed of it. Should a wood platform be built for stability and support of the bottom. Seems necessary to do it best. I think your videos are very informative. Thank you
I need replace my current one piece bath tub however the current bath tub opening measures 58 3/4". Of all the bath tubs I came across measure 60". Any recommendations?
Are you measuring from rough framing or from current finished wall?
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher I measure the current bath tub in place now.
It will fit. I removed drywall around the bath wall and it measures 60” from rough framing.
Very good job.!!
Silicone??
Learned so much! Thank you sir
Old house with DWV copper and brass venting. Looks like the plumbing system is worth more than the rest of the house
Isn't 1 floor joist compromised, where it was notched to accommodate the old plumbing? The maximum amount that can be removed safely is 1/3 the depth of the joist; otherwise, the joist should be sistered with new lumber.
Correct, that was just about 1/3
thanks for your help ....
Is it possible to install an above floor drain tub or a standard type tub without access fry below or behind? Thanks
It is for sure. I typically run into no access situations in basements a lot. It takes a bit more accuracy, but you need to set the trap at the right location before setting tub into place. This requires dry fitting the tub a bunch of times to get it right. I demonstrate this in this video - th-cam.com/video/fLKRSQJLb2E/w-d-xo.html
And if you wouldn’t mind, after watching that video on the other channel, please leave a comment to Jeff telling him to pay me. He thinks he owns all those videos I’m in and has stopped paying me. Thanks
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher Will do. That's horrible he hasn't paid you. I figured you went out on your own. I love your videos. It just takes a while to build a following. I know nothing about how youtube works but try having some click bait titles.
Nice Job My friend
🙏 👍
Why not tear out the rotten subfloor?
whats the point of the ledger board?
To support tub 👍
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher thank you
I am going with a princeton over rough with integral drain because of your excellent videos. Newbie question: you are using a clear is 100 % "sealant" vs. a silicone "caulk" correct?
Yes, 100% silicon. One thing to note on those integral Princeton tubs, the trap typically needs to be directly below it. So make sure you don’t have a joist in the way! If you haven’t already my course will help out with everything else 👍 bathroomremodeling.teachable.com/p/tub-shower-bathroom-remodel-in-7-days-or-less
Plumbers Putty always.
Trip lever is always in place in floor before tub is set.
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I think with a surround unit you have to be perfectly level. I'm with you on tiling but people like those dumb surround units
your good!!!!!
nice video
Using the silicone will make it nearly impossible to replace the tub drain in the future.
Ledger👍🏽
Why not use an integrated overflow, and get rid of all the possible points of failure with those slip joints? I second El Mono's comment regarding the 100% silicone. But looks like work sure goes quick. But is it penny wise, pound foolish?
I feel cheated. You didn’t show us the most important hardest part. Placing the tub drain in the trap that you can’t see underneath. What if you miss it?
Not sure if you watched this fully. The drain assembly for trap was set after the tub was slid in. I’ll find the time stamp
THOSE ferncos are not code here, its supposed to be a mission clamp
Yep 👍 code varies! Don’t blindly take advise from a TH-camr!
best I've seen
The next guy is gonna hate you for using silicone on the tub drain
On most acrylic tubs and shower pans they say to use silicone instead of plumber's putty in the instructions
good job......!
gr8 job ty!!!
Fellas, find yourself a girl that loves you as much as this man loves silicone.
I put my tub in back in '78 with putty and the ring under the tub and it is dry to this day.
Did you really just push that rubber drain fitting onto that dirty drain pipe without even wiping it clean?
Did you really just point out something of little significance?
They say a quarter of a inch maters I say wrong if you have a brain if its lower at the drain it's better because it is all water in a tub so you will always have a great drain and taking a shower you won't have water in the tub
this tub is known of problems, not good for customer, thanks for the video poster
def a yinzer... can hear the accent from here.
You had me until you used the Fernco, They are illegal above ground. Should have used the Mission Coupling you showed a little earlier. Most of your videos are excellent, but do it right.
Hey John glad you know your code, stick to that. It’s not an illegal fitting & works just fine.
42 Years in the trade, read the code@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher
This little th-cam.com/users/postUgkxVoi3B4CB6Oygq1-vo4OTL1M_M5JkrXif tub works perfect in our 6 x 6 shower and is easy to get in and out. Also easy to drain.
silicone - leak free lmfao. See how that holds up in hard water after 2 years. Never seen silicone that sealed forever.
As soon as I seen him using OSB under a bathtub instead of actual plywood, I was done. And somebody’s going to be replacing this floor in another five years
Osb is no longer particle board crap. It actually withstands much more abuse than standard ply. I used to feel the same way as you until I built my whole house with it and have done dozens of bathrooms
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacher ok I guess I’m out of the loop sorry
It's seems like you don't trust your own work because of all the silicone, also you look very tense and nervous when working. But nice work.
What ? He did a fine job. He didn’t look nervous at all. 😂
@@ddoperations2768 It was very hot and he was sweating profusely. I've watched several of his videos and he is very good and thorough.
Fake Plumber, who uses silicone also, Franco coupling lol
you sweat alot, I bet even when its not that hot. You should change your diet and try lowering your blood pressure. Your body is trying to tell you somehting! I have the same issue. diet change can help. -Cheers