Absolutely. Concerns have been raised about the treatment of Hindus and several international bodies have raised an alarm. As noted in the podcast, the condition of minorities seems to be an issue globally.
I wanna tell you a math . Agr United India hota toh Punjabi , Bengali and South Indian agr aksath lobby karte toh Neheru PMO nahi ho sakta tha. UK ko Punjab regiment and M15 k liye land chahiye tha USSR k khilaf khara hone k liye, unhone Muslim card khel diya. Neheru ne bhi unki godi k liye ish math may "ha" var diya. jisko akal nahi tha woh andolon may chala gaya. aj USSR nahi hai, Pakistan ki value bhi nahi hai. United Socialist Secular India is the only solution . Pakistan ko girna koi nahi rok sakta hain 10-20 sal k vitor.
If Nehru was the reason for india growth now then how come india become top 5 Fragile economy under top economist Manmohan in 10 yrs from top 13 economy under vajpai
In Pakistani constitution, it is legally sanctioned to do segregation of minorities, making them second- class citizens, prohibiting them from holding any high office of prominence. In India, there's no such type of any second grade citizenship.
You're very right and some minorities in India have held high offices as noted within this podcast. It is hoped that Pakistan does more for it's minorities as they are currently in dismal conditions 🙏
I am from India and saw your video for the first time..... but I would appreciate very well presented and very good content....Keep up the good work.. Hinduism is a way of life and though there are differences between North and Southern part of India but we all are united because of our resilience, diversity and above all Hinduism
Talk about resilience - 1,009 years of oppression and here we are. Hats off to our ancestors who could survive all that and hand us a country that’s ours to build stronger or destroy.
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch our video and share your kind words! It means a lot to us, especially coming from someone watching for the first time. We're so glad you found the content engaging and well-presented-your encouragement truly motivates us to keep working hard. India's diversity and unity are indeed remarkable, and Hinduism, as a way of life, beautifully reflects the strength of resilience and inclusivity that binds people together. The differences between North and South only add to the rich tapestry of culture, making India unique and inspiring. Thank you once again for your thoughtful comment, and we hope you continue to join us for more conversations. Best wishes and gratitude! 🙏
@@MukhbirNama Nehru's policies brought India to the position of bankruptcy in 90's where Pakistan is today. It is the policies of PV Narshimarao which is behind India's meteoric economic rise.
@@soumyadas6958 The first tractor was made under his tenure, collaboration with Citizen company of Japan and created first wrist watch company hmt. Send Father of white revolution Dr. Varghese Kurien foreign for higher studies on Government funding, creation of IITs, IIMs, Isro. I need couple hours to make you understand.
@24:51 Joginder Nath Mandal was subjected to the use and throw policy by Muslims. He was used to influence the Hindu Dalits of Sylhet district (now in Bangladesh) to vote in favor of joining Pakistan and later Joginder Nath Mandal was sidelined and insulted...so much so that he returned to India and died in Kolkata.
To retire in India also seemed to be Jinnah's dream as he wished to go to Bombay after finishing his tenure as governor-general. Few leaders appear to want to stay in Pakistan.
@@MukhbirNama Joginder Nath Mandal didn't come to India to retire. He came back after being sidelined and insulted. He died in Kolkata licking his wounds. You are free to Google up his story.
28:45 The caste system is strong abhi tak....if that was true then I a Kshatriya will not be best buddies with my BFF who is a Dalit....and I have no shame in admitting that he has a better degree than me, better job than me and better salary than me.....the remnants of Caste System remain but there are political forces (Congress not BJP) that keep those remnants alive....
@@MukhbirNamaCaste is still important in many states. But, saying that there's a huge huge descrimination due to caste is false statement. Yes, still, marriages happens within own caste. But, think yourself logically. If I am buying a house in New Delhi. Will they ask my caste before selling? Never! We are living in 20 storey building, where people belonging to different caste buy houses and live. In my office, I have to work with my colleagues. Will I ask their caste? Will I refuse to eat with him? It's not even possible to do so.🙄 It's a very simple logic. As the people becoming richers, middle class is growing. Now, children from every caste are going to school together, struggling for job together, sharing rooms, doing job together.👍 Caste still exists, but, descrimination on the name of caste only exists in some villages or backward areas.👍
By the way, caste system is definitely bad. No Hindu objects. But sectarianism in Islam is evil. People literally ki11 each other over sectarianism. No tolerance there at all.
Some untouchables live in our village but now we don't treat them like untouchables. Now we go to work with them and share food with each other. And this has been happening not just now but a long time ago when people have become educated.
You're quite right. The issues around sectarian violence in Pakistan as well as the treatment given to those considered heretics and blasphemers is a huge concern.
@@MukhbirNama remember that caste was a part of Hindu theology - when our reformers realized it was holding us back we threw it away. Islam will have to throw away the concept of endless war against the Kafir in the same way.
You're very right and I am sure that work is being done in that direction today. Perhaps in a few years and hopefully within our lifetimes, as Dr. Taimur pointed out in the podcast, we'll see some improvements.
@@MukhbirNamaMukhbir Saheb 😂It's Okay That Religion Should Be Toned Down. But, Are You Really Looking Ahead To Give Your Country To A Communist?😂 If I Am Given A Choice Between Taimur Lal & Saad Rizvi. I Will Happily Chose Saad Rizvi Become India's Prime Minister Over Taimur.😂 Communists Are 🐍 👍
Separation of church and state is so important. As a Hindu I have zero interest in someone’s religion and I don’t want them to have any interest in mine. Hindus get pushed towards fanaticism as a response to fanatics who want to convert us. Leave us alone and you won’t have to worry about Hindutva. Just mind your business and don’t mix your religion with politics and allow us to practice ours in peace.
If Pakistan has to wait for BJP government to go to develop friendship then Pakistan has to wait for long time. Both BJP governments (Bajpai and Modi) try to make friendship with Pakistan but Pakistan did not respond in kind. The difference between Congress and BJP governments is that BJP is not following Gandhi’s policy of turning other cheek when somebody hit on one cheek. Instead every terrorist activity whose roots are traced in Pakistan BJP government is tightening screws on Pakistan. If Pakistan wants relationship with India, their establishment has to change policy of “death by thousand cut”. New India with not allow terror and talk go hand in hand.
@10:14 North Indian villians are South India's Heroes & vica versa !? This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Intellectual bankruptcy is all that can be said.
Mukharbirnamaji your guest is nonsense ( Murkha ) . You people try to encash views by discussing Bharat . Aap banayena VDO Paxtan issues ke upar , nobody will watch.
@MukhbirNama Hinduism does not satisfy the western definition of Religion. We don't have a single prophet or a single book to which we turn for guidance. There are basic similarities but also some deviations. For example, in Bengal, the Hindus offer fish to deities which is something unthinkable for those in Gujarat. Yet, Durga Pooja is a major event in both these states. What your Guest suggested is totally wrong. Facts are too enormous to share. One needs to explore for oneself.
While Caste was one of the reasons for some people converting to Islam, there were other reasons that had more effect such as the implementation of jizya and the way it was collected from Hindus. They not only made people poorer but also humiliated them badly. Salman Rashid had talked about it in one of his interviews. It’s good to read about the reasons before making misleading statements.
You're very right. Salman Sahab talked about it and described how this practice was conducted and was in place till it was abolished. Thank you for sharing 🙏
Afghanistan, KPK & Most Of Pakistani Areas Were Dominated By Buddhist.👍 They Converted To Islam Because Of Caste?🙄 Maybe Some Hndus Did. But, Majority Of Those Areas Were Buddhist.
49:55 There are a few Pakistani students in India as Delhi hosts the SAARC's South Asia University, last I heard there was a BBC (not BJP) report that Pakistan was not paying its share of the University's costs....
10:16 North Indian heroes are villains of South India..🤣🤣🤣 That's not true. 10:00 Hinduism is culturally diverse as we are extremely culturally diverse set. There is no one book, no one God, you can be atheist, you can be agnostic, you can be anything in this religion. It is less of religion but more of culture and way of life. 15:03 Cabinet Mission plan in 1946, Congress rejected 1st plan on grouping India as Hindu majority and Muslim majority areas, rather wanted whole of India with strong centre. 2nd plan Congress rejected partition of India and accepted to be in Constituent assembly where it send Zakir Hussain Ji as one of its nominated member but the League objected saying only it(M.L.) represented Indian Muslims and no other party. The Muslim League did not take part in it. Here one party is arguing of secular India and other is arguing of Non- secular Pakistan. People still support non-secular party over secular party then it means they don't want secularism. Extending same logic ,most Hindus supported Secular party whereas most Muslims supported Non- secular party and somehow onus is upon us to be secular and prove it... WOW... sometimes I want to laugh so hard on these logics ...😂😂😂 18:20 India has treated its minorities so well that they rose to the highest offices of India be it of any field because we didn't keep any prejudices in our head. Give me examples of your country. Though I agree recently there are more minority issues in India. Condition of Muslims is very bad in our country, but you have to fight for your space in India as the pie is so small. It is true for everybody in India that you have to fight fierce competition in order to rise up in India. 22:06 There is lot of struggle to get out of poverty in India. Education is one thing which will take a family out of bad economic conditions.
Thank you for sharing such a well-articulated perspective with timestamps! You’ve touched upon several important points that deserve careful consideration. I believe that Hinduism’s cultural diversity and its inclusive approach-allowing space for atheism, agnosticism, and various philosophical beliefs-indeed make it a unique system which I deeply admire. I see it as more of a way of life than a structured religion which reflects its flexibility and adaptability and that itself makes it easy for it to play a significant role in shaping India's cultural fabric. Regarding the Cabinet Mission Plan and the events leading to partition, your analysis highlights the complexities of that era. The Congress and Muslim League had starkly different visions, and these ideological differences set the stage for partition. The narrative of secularism versus communalism continues to provoke debate even today. The idea that Hindus supported secularism while Muslims leaned toward non-secularism is, as you pointed out, an oversimplification, but it does reflect how communal identities were politicized during that time. The same elements were discussed in our podcast with Mr. Imtiaz Alam and I hope you get to share your thoughts on that too. I will freely admit that India has indeed made strides in providing opportunities for minorities, as evidenced by individuals from diverse backgrounds rising to prominent positions. However, the challenges you mention-like the condition of Muslims and the fierce competition in India-are real and require collective efforts to address. The struggle for upward mobility, particularly through education, is a universal aspiration, and it’s heartening to see people in India striving for progress despite the challenges. Your point about poverty and education is crucial. Education is undeniably one of the most powerful tools for breaking the cycle of poverty and creating equitable opportunities. While the path is difficult, the focus on education is an investment in a better future which is something Pakistan desperately needs to do. I believe that conversations like these remind us that while historical narratives may differ, the aspiration for equality and opportunity is universal. I thank you for adding depth to this discussion 🙏
@@MukhbirNamaLeftists says "India was secular and minorities were treated well under congress". Next minutes they will start quoting "Commission reports" which clearly says that Minority status didn't improve under 60 years of congress rule.😂 Khul kr kyo nhi bolte ki Congress ne sirf m0lvi aur elite m0mins ko favor kiya. Normal ground ka level ka sirf vote k liye use kiya. Unki life improve nhi hui.😢 Today, under BJP era, calculate the percentage of m0min enrolling in higher education, getting technical jobs. It's increased many folds. But, Modi don't appease m0lvis & elite m0mins. So, negative perception is built.🙄 Why? Why should be appease m0lvi?🙄Is there any descrimination with a m0min getting admission in school or applying for a job?🙄 Who can uplift a m0min who makes 5-6 babies and couldn't afford a good education.🙄 I'm earning 7-8 lakhs per months. Still, I am concerned if I can give education to my 1 child. While m0mins are making 5-6 children with no tension about their education & job.🙄
I am shocked once again with the quailty of information, intellect and Bias...All the best friends in Pakistan. If you are wearing a dark thick glass yoou will be not able to see the truth.
@@MukhbirNama Shouldn't you be more worried about TLP than BJP? Considering TLP is your home problem and not BJP? Don't you have a bigger responsibility towards the people of Pakistan than the people of India?
@@MukhbirNamaThat's How Perception Is Build.😂 BJP Isn't Liberal Like Congress. That's The Problem.😂 Earlier, Pakistan Was Able To Manipulate Congress Leaders Easily.😂 But, BJP Is Rigid. You Can't Fool Them With Emotional Talks.😂 _Ek Hi Khitta. Ek Hi Log._ 😂 O Bhai, Punjabi Kaum Ek Alag Kaum Hai. Ye Kisi Se Sath Nhi Reh Skte.😂 Sindhi Fir Bhi Thik Hain. Puniabi Kaum Ek Alag Hi Hai.😂 Inko Superiority Complex Hai.😂
@@AsmaKhanum555 You're absolutely right! It is perhaps the biggest concern of all as noted by many guests on our podcast. Thank you so much for bringing it up 🙏
1. Guest and host are so polite. 2. No one denies of nehru contribution, but all 28 states cm and all past pm also important. 3. If u don't like modi, that cant reduce his contribution towards india. 4. He is ruling from 2014 to 2029, not a easy job, bjp got 1 seat in 1980 and now 300+ out of 545 not a easy. 5.why opposite party not coming up because, Congress is loving muslims and hat Hindus, so 80 % Hindus dumping rahul Ghandhi. 6. We never hate muslims, they r part of india but our culture is also important. 7. Muslims,parsi,jain, Christians, bhuddist,jews, are in india and they r in good position, apj kalam is just excample. 8. south and north is same, 9. All Indians look for education, hospital,jobs, infra etc not only in religions, if not how can India growing in fast speed. 10. What about waque land, common law, thriple thalak, etc
Thank you for your detailed comment and for appreciating the tone of our discussion. It’s always great to see such engagement and a willingness to share perspectives. I am able to respond to a few of the points you’ve raised as politeness and mutual respect are the foundation of meaningful conversations, even when discussing complex and emotionally taxing topics. I fully agree that no single individual can shape a nation alone. Nehru’s contributions were foundational, but every state leader, prime minister, and even local representatives have played a role in shaping India’s journey. As Iqbal said, "Har fard hay millat kay muqadar ka sitara". On Modi Ji's leadership I can say that leading a diverse and vast country like India for so many years successfully is indeed a significant achievement, and his impact on India's trajectory-whether in economic or social reforms, infrastructure, or geopolitics-has been notable. Coming to my own view of Congress and opposition challenges, I can say that political dynamics often reflect shifting public sentiments, and it's true that electoral strategies play a significant role. However, framing it solely as "loving Muslims and hating Hindus" oversimplifies the complex interplay of caste, region, and socio-economic concerns that influence voting patterns. I have always felt that India’s pluralism is its strength. Icons like Kalam are excellent examples of how diverse communities contribute to the nation but ensuring that every group feels secure and valued is an ongoing effort. This is where the North and South unity idea becomes vital, and your point highlights the importance of shared goals-education, healthcare, jobs, and infrastructure-for the country's growth. At the same time, issues like waqf lands, triple talaq, etc. are important subjects for many in India that spark significant debate about rights, laws, and reforms in a modern, diverse democracy. While opinions may differ, finding solutions that balance justice and inclusivity are critical. I'm certain India will find those solutions and will do so perhaps much faster than Pakistan. I really appreciate all your points which reflect the complexities and aspirations of modern India. Thank you for sharing them and contributing to a constructive discussion 🙏
@MukhbirNama 1.I am from south andhrapradesh our CM mr Chandrababu who first started IT in hyderabad, mist of the indians voted who do the development,roads,hospital,digital, private sector etc, selling only relegion will not yeild any results, 2. Waque land. After the army and railway, waque has the third most land holder india, in tamilnandu entire village under waque, a 3000 year old temple in tamilnadu also In waque land how possible, 3. If u see the indian muslim staying areas are in poor stage, because of an education, law and order issue, settle with small jobs, whereas the majority of indians going for higher jobs and getting good income, where poor indian muslims settle with small jobs, ifter prey for radical ideas. 4. I am from Hyderabad, 90 % of hyderabad developed but old city near charminar where muslim stays is undeveloed, encroachment etc, they protect for stopping roads and flyovers and metro. 5. Congress. Not matching with indians mindset, now no where near to Power
@@MukhbirNamaYou probably need to do more critical analysis of Congress policies.👍 I have been congress supporter from decades because I come from Dalit community.👍 They have completely shifted from Secularism to communal politics for sake of m0min votes.😢 Supporting m0mins for vote is also okay. But, Supporting m0lvis? Why? Supporting r@dic@ls? Why? Liberal police laws for m0mins? Why? Denying existence of Hndu g0ds? Why? There should be some balance. They have completely lost it.😢
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am afraid I do not have any positive or negative views of Congress but respect it as Nehru's party. As per your reports it seems the nature of the party has changed.
@@MukhbirNamaYeah 😂 Situation would have been worse if Pakistan were not divided.😂 For example, fertility rate of Pakistan is more the double that of India.😂 While tax payers are very low.😂 If we were together, there would have been a big issue.😂Indians are paying taxes and Pakistani are just making babies.😂
You're right that he is credited with the idea of the two nation theory. As Dr. Taimur noted, it is important to contextualize him before making a judgement about him 🙏
Wt the hell he is talking about hero of north india and south india r different 😂 in which fool paradise he is living. He dnt knw how hindus r united through jyotrilings from Himalaya to kanyakumari.
@@MukhbirNamahero of south like shivaji literally against aurangzeb rule. Adi Shankaracharya from south compiled hindu belief system. Guest is on drugs😂
Nahi Janab. Kaafi mehangi parti hay Lahore mein magar suna hay Peshawar mein sasti hay ;) I believe Dr. Taimur was pointing towards a retreat for secular ideals in India rather than a complete shut down.
@@MukhbirNama Dont want to use Janab , OW you will says that we Indians stereotype muslims by saying Janab..hehehehhehe, bhai either I am not listening the podcast or you are ignoring the facts...but I respect you coz I can see that you have gud intentions and means positive, but bhai aap galat logon se mil rahey ho...Nusrat Saheb always performed with masters. Farrrukh sahab was great harmonium player woith great sense of music composition, Dildar Hussain was one of the best TablaNawaz and so on..He never selected random guys to perform with. The talent house he was, he could easily worked with guys who were not masters of their crafts and made life easy..he chose to challenge himself so that he can produce always the best ...company matters
Punjabi + islamic nature hai brother. Blame everything on others. dont talk abt ur own problems to improve. Hindus have totally opposite nature. I m happy we criticise ourselves a lot
@@MukhbirNamaYes, retreat is true.😂 But, Hadsa yun hi ekdum se nhi hota.😂Wakt karta hai parvaris barso.😂 Ek wakt tha jab Secularism of defend krta tha.😂 Ab nhi.😂 Why I don't support anymore?😂 For that, please define Secularism. After definition, think, if India really followed Secularism for last 75 years?😂 I don't think, India was ever a secular country. If it was, it still is.👍 Hnduo ka Maha Kumbh festival ka chairman Musalman ban jata hai. Lekin kisi bhi Muslm ke ek simple a masjid ka chairman Hndu nhi ban skta.😂 Ye kaun sa secularism tha bhai?😂 Ek tarfa Secularism ki jaurat nhi hai.👍 Thank you so much.👍 India pr sanction lga do. Faansi de do. Ulta latka do. Lekin ab hum log one-sided Secularism accept nhi krenge.👍 It should be either from both end, or tata bye bye.👍
@@amitsai want ,shud joined hands but kya kerain surjee. Halaat dono countries ko dur krhe hain. Hamari lifes ma ye dono countrys insan ke bache bnjai. Jaiese pre partition . One ca go frm quetta without visa to. Calcutta n viceversa. Hope oneday it would hapen.
Thank you for letting us know but him being Ahmedi or anything else is really immaterial. We deeply respect his contributions and work done for the people of the sub-continent. For millions, he remains a hero and a force for good that brought the Muslims of India to the school room kicking and screaming. I really wish we had a few more reformers like him who could teach the value and importance of modern education 🙏
No he wasnt ahmedi. But yes Syed ahmed and Founder of ahmedi sect and later its follower have been best Main stooge of British to control Pakistan. Even aga khan was british stooge. Thats why Hindi-Urdu divide , Hindu-Muslim as separate RACE started By syed ahmed. Also Ahemdi were in forefront of partition and its benefit they r still enjoying by having grip on Most of Power positions in Pakistan. they also got HQ in UK and helped by Global deep state in many ways. Jinnah was a nationalist but post 1920 he must have realise the whole Game plan and setup and finally joined muslim league and ent to england. W/o any charismatic leader in muslims Brits Groomed Jinnah and sent him back to india 1935 and helped him in his rise. Iqbal was Ahmedi for sure. he was also groomed by Global deep state. I m not sure but I think gandhi was also agent of DS. This is similar to a section of people in hindus they called liberals . Nehru was also part of it. Nehrus brother or Cousin BK nehru infact married George Soros Cousin or sister in 1930 itself. Post 1990s the communists lost their Guardian in USSR. And anyway indian communists have been mainly puppet of UK communists more than USSR. Rajne Plame dutt type people have been real Puppet masters. Today communists & liberals of both pak and india r under full control of GLobal DS. some of them may hve realised it but most of them are groomed when they went for education in IVY leagues or Oxbridge. ex is martya sen types. Look at Md Yunus how he was installed Undemocratically in Bangladesh to control that nation. As Yuval Noah hariri said Its easy of Hack Human mind. Unless people in Indo pak realise who is their real enemy and india has realised it today and thats why rising, Pak will remain in mess.
@@MukhbirNamaExchange of Student is good.👍 But, only some Students.😂 We need to monitor their activities.😂 We don't want Tablighi Jammat within our IITs.😂 Kisi IIT ke kaafir ko kalma padha kr jannat secure krne me lag jayenge.😂 Padho likho, invention kro. Research kro.😂 Dawah gang mat suru kro.😂
A very good interview and discussion. Sure, as an Indian I will find issues with certain things like glossing over the brutality of forced conversions, ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits, etc. But, this is an evolutionary process. The fact that some intellectuals are sticking their neck out to educate their public is commendable in any country anywhere. Fanaticism is to be exposed everywhere by people from within and enlightened thinking is to be celebrated by everyone witnessing it. Kudos!
It is heartening to see such constructive engagement, even when there are differences in perspective. You’ve highlighted an important point for Pakistan as these conversations are indeed part of an ongoing evolutionary process, and the willingness to engage in honest dialogue is a crucial step toward mutual understanding. The issues you’ve mentioned, such as forced conversions and the tragic plight of Kashmiri Pandits, are deeply significant and deserve attention and empathy. Addressing these topics thoughtfully and honestly is essential for fostering healing and reconciliation, both within societies and across borders. I do plan to question the appropriate guest about these issues and have a discussion on how Pakistan can help put a stop to it. We deeply appreciate your recognition of the effort to encourage intellectual discourse and expose fanaticism wherever it exists. Thank you for your generous words-kudos to you as well for contributing to this shared journey of enlightenment and understanding! 🙏
Thank you for sharing such a profound thought. You're absolutely right-language, culture, and civilization are deeply rooted in regions and the shared experiences of the people who inhabit them, rather than being tied to any specific religion. These elements transcend boundaries of faith and are shaped by geography, history, and human connections over time. This perspective is essential to fostering unity and understanding. When we view culture and civilization through the lens of regions and shared heritage, it helps bridge divides and highlights what unites us rather than what separates us. Thank you for adding such a meaningful perspective to the conversation 🙏
Nehru's half baked Socialism actually brought India close to pauperism. Sri P V Narasimha Rao as PM, opened the economic scene and put India on the right path.
True to his name Mr Taimur looks like a Sadist... When he said 'Bangladesh' in case of minorities treatment... Pakistanis are Pakistanis... However literate they are 😂😂😂
Even without partition in 1947, Punjab and Sindh had evolved somewhat separately on their divergent paths since the Greek invasion. Personally I find Punjabis completely different culturally from people in the Hindi belt. In many videos from Pakistan there seem to be like talking, walking zombies.
Every Hindu in india from peon to prime minster is having at least one close muslim friend. This is the secularism of india. Is that possible in pakistan?
Not impossible but very unlikely. Pakistan has lost a lot of its minority populations and while one does and can have friends from minorities it is a rarity.
I enjoy watching your videos because you speak the truth and point out our weaknesses, which allows us to improve. You are correct that India is progressing rapidly due to its education system.
Thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words :) It’s truly heartening to know that our efforts to present honest perspectives resonate with you. Acknowledging strengths while reflecting on areas for improvement is indeed a vital step toward growth, and we’re glad these discussions contribute to that process. I firmly believe that India’s progress, particularly through its education system, is a remarkable example of how investing in knowledge and innovation can drive a nation forward. Your support motivates us to continue fostering meaningful dialogue and addressing issues constructively. Thank you again for your thoughtful comment 🙏
Good to see two Persian Mughlai Turkic Afghan Arab brothers speaking so much sense. Guest is misinformed Nehru was responsible for institutional set up but economic growth post 91 is entirely due to Rao and Singh.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment! I am not entirely sure if that is our genetic makeup but I will take your word for it and hopefully continue to speak sense despite my genetic influences ;) It's great to hear that you found value in the conversation and I would like to clarify that while Nehru indeed played a crucial role in laying the institutional foundations of modern India, the economic liberalization introduced under PV Narasimha Rao’s leadership and Dr. Manmohan Singh’s reforms were simply transformative for India’s post 1991 growth. Each era contributed uniquely to India’s development and I believe that Nehru’s vision helped establish the groundwork, and later leaders built on that foundation to open up the economy and accelerate growth. Hope you will agree with that idea 🙏
@11:00 the reason why Pakistanis relate to Bollywood films is that Bollywood was for the most part of its existence, dominated by Punjabis and they used to inject their culture with which the majority of Pakistan's population, the Punjabis related. Try watching Bhojpuri movies, also a part of North India, see if you can relate.
You're very right. However, this points to the diversity of the sub-continent as noted in the podcast as to how language and culture seem to rapidly change as we go along any direction in the sub-continent.
@MukhbirNama I agree, so Punjab in India is where the similarities end. And Indian Punjab is no more than 4% of its population. I would like to advise that Pakistanis need to explore similarities with Afghanistan and Iran and avoid getting influenced by non-Muslims. After all, the accountability before Almighty on the day of judgement is paramount. BTW many of the subcontinents' "similarities" originated outside of it.
@@arpitsrivastava7470 and you clearly don't know the Brahminical project of Vedas and Upanishads was mostly punjab and Sindh based. Hinduism reached the Up and bihar atleast 2000 years later and there is a continuity. The similarity is even Genetic in nature for example you a Srivastava is much more closely related to a Punjabi Khatri than to a Majhi in UP.
@@solo.108 are you mad? we have to fight together against BJP RSS and Hindutva politics. if we support the wrong move, they we will go to the infinite loop. all the dictetors of this world wants us to push on that loop.
@@parthapratimganguly2400 see I would like hate speech laws to go away and I would like to criticize every single faith but today it's not possible...I don't mind if u have different opinion than mine..I want complete free speech to criticize all faiths, thoughts, philosophies, policies, govts and even nation's people...Today we don't have that anyone can be jailed for anything
@@MukhbirNamaYou shouldn't be afraid of that.😂You should be afraid of communists.😂 Why? Please list down muslim countries which were communist. Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon.😂 What was the end result?😂 They all became fanatic.😂 Now, think next... In which states of India most of the r@dic@l muslms outfits flourish? Bengal, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Assam.🙄 Historically they were ruled by left government. Think next... Which government in UK protected the gr00ming g@mg? And, still downplaying it?😢 It's very simple that that the left government appease r@dic@l outfits for votes.😢
@@MukhbirNama no need to import intellect , just ask them to send some reasonable history n philosophy books ... and have a pain to READ them ... for a couple of years ...
@ jinnah (istiyak ahmad ) maine dhaka doobte dekha pakistan from military to mosque fighting till the end military inc. and last and not the least /// REPORT -- mujib ur rehman report on 1971 n many many more .. u just start with them ... all pakistani writers
My wishes matter less but more importantly when Pakistani muslims improve their day to day working , thinking & particularly their ruling junta & politicians
Crediting Nehruvian Socialism for India's present prosperity is juvenile. In fact it shows utter lack of knowledge of Indian Economy and socio- economic realities.
Only one solution of India- Pakistan bangladesh , is population exchange and kashmir issue, Of all three countries. Ek nae ek din yae hona hai. Aaj kar loe 50 Saal baad ya hogaee. 1. Total population exchange 2. Kashmir issue is related with population transfer. Nahi toe Shanti nahi ayyaa sakti . Population transfer kae bad e.u type hoe saktaee hai.
@@MukhbirNama agar tino desh chahyee toe Shanti sayee transfer hoe saktaee hai. Agar east Pakistan mayee mujid nayee hindu population koe khadayee, toe Assam , manipur, tripura, Bengal sayee bhi population transfer hogee, likh loee. Gandhi ji nahi hai aab is continent mayee.
I'm glad that you've invited such an intellectual person. I would suggest you to invite Raza Rumi, Pervaiz Hoodboy, Muhammad Waseem, ali usman qasmi, among others. There is a dire need to project a progressive and enlightened parallel point of view to counter the ultra right wing groups in this country.
Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful comment. It’s truly encouraging to see support for hosting intellectual discussions on critical topics. We completely agree that voices like Raza Rumi and Pervez Hoodbhoy etc. offer valuable, progressive perspectives that can foster a deeper understanding and counterbalance extreme narratives. You'll be glad to know that a podcast with Raza Rumi Sahab is under production and will be posted soon :) Your suggestions aligns perfectly with our vision to promote thoughtful dialogue and shed light on diverse viewpoints. We will certainly consider reaching out to the other distinguished individuals to bring more enriching and balanced discussions to our platform. Thank you for your encouragement and for contributing to the conversation with such positivity🙏
When you are so worried about Muslims in India, why don't you talk about Hindus in Pakistan? There are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. In contrast, the Hindu population has drastically reduced in Pakistan.
Thank you for raising this point. Discussions about minority rights and representation are important on both sides of the border, as they reflect the values of fairness and inclusivity that every society should strive for. You are very right and It's true that the Hindu population in Pakistan has declined over the decades, and concerns about the rights and welfare of minorities in Pakistan are valid and deserve attention. Shias, Ahmedis and other minorities in Pakistan have had dismal treatment for years in Pakistan. On the other hand, the condition of Muslims in India is also an important topic. The well-being and inclusion of minorities-whether Hindus in Pakistan or Muslims in India-are interconnected issues. They remind us that human rights and dignity should transcend borders. I hope you can realize that for us, highlighting one issue doesn’t mean neglecting another. It’s possible, and indeed necessary, to address both. By doing so, we can build a more compassionate and understanding dialogue rather than framing these as competing concerns. I hope we can use these discussions to advocate for the rights and dignity of all people, regardless of where they live. After all, our shared humanity calls for mutual respect and a commitment to justice for everyone 🙏
If Pakistan has to wait for BJP government to go to develop friendship then Pakistan has to wait for long time. Both BJP governments (Bajpai and Modi) try to make friendship with Pakistan but Pakistan did not respond in kind. The difference between Congress and BJP governments is that BJP is not following Gandhi’s policy of turning other cheek when somebody hit on one cheek. Instead every terrorist activity whose roots are traced in Pakistan BJP government is tightening screws on Pakistan. If Pakistan wants relationship with India, their establishment has to change policy of “death by thousand cut”. New India with not allow terror and talk go hand in hand.
I'm sure you'll agree that the relationship between India and Pakistan has been shaped by many historical and political complexities. Efforts at fostering friendship, whether under BJP or Congress, have faced significant challenges on both sides. Your point about the need for mutual respect and meaningful dialogue is well-taken-lasting peace requires genuine efforts and goodwill from both nations. I feel that the notion that terror and talks cannot go hand in hand is a very fair stance, as security and trust are fundamental for any dialogue to succeed. At the same time, it's important to continue exploring ways to address shared challenges and find common ground on a personal level. People on both sides of the border often wish for peace and cooperation, and it is their voices that can help guide leadership toward a more constructive relationship. Thank you for contributing to this important conversation with clarity and thoughtfulness 🙏
Caste system exists in almost every society in the world. Amongst Muslims as Ashrafs, Arzals, Ajlaf as categorization. Amongst Europeans as clergy, nobility, bourgeoisie and peasants. In India caste based or religion based discrimination does not exist.
Thank you for letting us know. There are reports by institutes like the Aziz Premji Foundation which show that caste and religion based discrimination are still experienced by Indians and Muslims in India. We hope that both India and Pakistan can improve the situation for their minorities 🙏
@MukhbirNama EU like union with free movement and settlement of population groups in any part thereof will be a Disaster. Already this Idea's initiator, the EU, is decidedly moving away from it...thanks to immigrants from some countries known for spreading "Peace". There are popular movements against EU in France and Germany.., Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too have similar sentiments. Pakistan should seek a union with like minded nations of the Ummah like Afghanistan and Iran and then proceed from there.
@@MukhbirNamathose people who want union have no place in India and will be voted out. Although no one has even dared to say after the violent terrorist attacks we have faced. After 26/11 this is only a pipe dream very far from realism.
9:22 how do you explain the difference in the treatment of minorities in Punjab vs. Sindh? Sindh is famously more tolerant than Punjab - Sindh also maintains Hindu majority in some areas. Why so different from Punjab?
That is a very interesting question and I believe it deserves a full answer. The difference in the treatment of minorities in Punjab and Sindh can be attributed to historical, cultural, and social factors that have shaped these regions over centuries. Sindh, for instance, has a long history as a "melting pot" of diverse cultures, religions, and traditions. The influence of Sufism, which emphasizes tolerance, inclusivity, and harmony, is deeply embedded in Sindhi society. Sufi saints like Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai and Lal Shahbaz Qalandar have played a significant role in fostering a pluralistic ethos. This spiritual legacy has encouraged coexistence, allowing Hindu communities in Sindh to maintain their religious practices, particularly in Hindu-majority areas like Umerkot and Tharparkar. In contrast, Punjab experienced a massive upheaval during the Partition of 1947, marked by violence and large-scale migrations. This traumatic event led to the near-total displacement of Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistani Punjab and Muslims from Indian Punjab, disrupting the region's historical coexistence. The resulting demographic homogeneity, combined with the post-Partition emphasis on Islamic identity, contributed to a societal shift where minorities became less visible and, at times, more marginalized. Another key factor is the cultural and religious landscape. Sindh’s society has traditionally been more inclusive, with Hindus playing a significant role in its economy, politics, and social life. In contrast, Punjab has seen the rise of religious conservatism and political Islam in recent decades, which has, in some cases, diminished the tolerance for minorities that once existed in its pre-Partition pluralistic character. Sufism, which remains prominent in Sindh, emphasizes spiritual inclusivity and a connection with all humanity, irrespective of religious identity. Punjab, however, has been more influenced by urbanization and national-level political movements, making it more susceptible to sectarianism and state-driven religious nationalism. Sindh’s more rural and traditional social structures have, in many ways, helped sustain its culture of tolerance and coexistence. In summary, the treatment of minorities in Sindh and Punjab reflects the impact of historical experiences, cultural legacies, and regional dynamics. While Sindh’s Sufi-inspired culture has fostered inclusivity, Punjab’s post-Partition homogenization and exposure to religious conservatism have led to different societal attitudes. Understanding these nuances is essential for fostering interfaith harmony and ensuring the safety and value of minorities across Pakistan. Thank you for raising such an insightful question 🙏
If india was not partioned than muslim population is almost 25to30% ,10%tribal ,5%sikh+christianand other ,within hindus 20%dalit In electoral democracy hindu rightwing never rise And we were a great nation
You're very right about that and similar ideas were expressed by Adeel in our podcast with him about Modi Ji not rising in a united India with a secular constitution. That's an exercise in revisionist history I would love to hear your views on. I do hope you get to see that too 🙏
@MukhbirNama offcourse and the radicalism in Pakistan and Bangladesh should be undercheck by the composite culture of ajmer Sharif nijamuddin dargah and many more icon And it has an spillover effect on Afghanistan because of khaiber pakhtun (frontier ghandhi impact)
Very wrong statement that the north indian hinduism is opposite of south Indian hinduism. They have the same concepts and mythology, but I'm some cases nomenclature is different. Thus kartikeya son of lord Shiva is called murugun in south India. A religious town in Tamilnadu is tenkashi which means Southern kashi. Kashi is Banaras located in North India. In fact, most Pakistani Muslims tend to be ignoramuses about Hinduism as a religion, culture and civilization which is very ancient, multi-faceted and extremely complex.
By using Indo-Islamic you have placed yourself second class to Indian OR Islamic. That's your confusion that will remain until some clear headed people come on the scene. Maybe one day you will actually be able to swallow that you are 100% Indian culture with a Islamic religion. The Indian culture gives you something and the Islamic religion took away some and gave you some. For you to decide what you lost and what you gained. As an intellctual and privileged, Dr Taimur, please dont say 'Imaan!!!'
Aray bhai, khuda hafiz Pakistan ko mat kahien, humein bolein! Intellectuals ka kaam hi hai sochne ka, aur sochnay walay kabhi kabhi itna soch lete hain ke samajh hi khud confuse ho jati hai 😂 Lekin tension na lien, Pakistan intellectuals ke saath bhi chal raha hai aur kabhi kabhi unke bina bhi. Aap bas dua karien sab kay liye 🙏
@@MukhbirNama I am grateful from your balanced response and I know some good and unbiased Pakistani,well educated and well informed,but I really appreciate your patience 🤔how you kept on asking the real question ❓ I follow you with some great voices from Pakistan with respect like you,Shehjad and Syed Muzammil shah ,you people are doing a great job by influencing the positivity which exists on both side,God bless you, best wishes, keep it up
Thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words. It truly means a lot to hear such thoughtful feedback. We deeply value viewers like you who engage with respect and an open mind, fostering meaningful dialogue between communities across borders. It’s heartening to know that our efforts to promote positivity and understanding resonate with people like you. Shehzad, Syed Muzammil Shah, and many others are indeed voices of reason, and I feel privileged and honored to be listed by you as a part of this effort to bridge divides and focus on shared humanity. Your support motivates us to continue these conversations with patience and sincerity. God bless you too, and thank you for being a part of this journey. Best wishes to you as well 🙏
I'm afraid my own knowledge about it comes from commonly respected online resources such as Wikipedia and others. Could you please tell us your views on it?
Dnt knw why Pakistani r in delusion with Nehru. Nehru destroyed India. This economic might is rising with systematically change in policies. First demonetisation then gold collection in 2015 then dealing with Pakistan through arabs china through russia and usa through Israel. U may b ex faculty but u dnt knw abc of geopolitics and cash flow.
I hope you can agree that opinions about historical leaders like Nehru vary widely, depending on the lens through which we view history. Nehru's legacy, while debated (even within this podcast between the guest and the host) includes significant contributions to India's early development, particularly in science, education, and democratic institutions. However, like any leader, his policies had their challenges and limitations. Your points about India's recent economic and geopolitical strategies are well taken. The policies you mentioned, such as demonetization and gold collection, have sparked debates about their impact on India's economy. Similarly, India's evolving relationships with global powers reflect a dynamic approach to geopolitics which Pakistan should emulate. My discussion with Taimur was aimed at exploring these complex issues from a broader historical and cultural lens. While we may not cover everything, the goal is to spark dialogue and learn from diverse perspectives like yours. I really appreciate your feedback and encourage you to share more insights to enrich these discussions 🙏
Wt type of book is this that every Muslim is misinterpreting it 😂 khadija was jew thats why she was educated and btw khadija and his brother warqa bin naufel created mauhmad.
I can assure you that for hundreds of years hundreds of Muslims scholars, theologians and writers have spent millions of liters of ink trying to interpret and reinterpret it. Must be a really good book :) You should see what Saahil and others have to say about it.
Before 1947, Nehru was bad guy "Hindu intehapasand" "Hindu Raj". After 1947, "Ye Nehru aur Gandhi ka india nhi raha" (as if u hv stakes anymore/Hv ur cake and eat it too). This is like changing ur playing style from grass to Astroturf or 50 overs to T20 bcoz the field or rules of game has changed with the objective of defeating the "other" (kaffir) being constant.
That's an interesting analogy, and I can see where you're coming from. The shift in how Nehru and Gandhi are perceived-both in pre- and post-1947 contexts-definitely reflects the evolving political narratives on both sides of the border. It’s natural for historical figures to be reinterpreted based on current realities, but it often says more about the present than the past. As Dr. Taimur put it in this very podcast, it is important to contextualize history. I love your cricket analogy :) While it's true that geopolitics can sometimes resemble a game, it’s worth remembering that these "rules" often come at the cost of human lives and shared histories. I hope you'll agree that the core challenge remains fostering mutual understanding rather than defining our goals solely in opposition to one another. Conversations like this-where differing views are shared-are part of that process. Thanks for contributing to the dialogue 🙏
what People dont realise it was the policies of Nehru, that gave rise to hindutva in it's present form. Congress's policies created a vacuum that was filled by BJP - just blanketing Hindutva good or bad is rather simplistic at best and myopic at worst. Also, the progress of India is not so much due to Nehru (socialism) but PV Narshima Rao's policy.
It is true that Nehru’s policies, while laying the foundation for India’s industrial and institutional development, also had unintended consequences. His vision of secularism and socialism, though well-meaning, was perceived by some as alienating specific communities, creating a fertile ground for the rise of Hindutva in its modern form. The critique that Congress's policies left a vacuum eventually filled by the BJP reflects how political landscapes evolve based on perceived failures or gaps in governance. It’s a reminder that no single ideology or policy framework is immune to criticism or reinterpretation over time. As for economic progress, you’re right to highlight the pivotal role of PV Narasimha Rao and his finance minister, Dr. Manmohan Singh, in introducing liberalization policies in 1991. These reforms marked a dramatic shift from Nehruvian socialism to a more market-driven economy, catalyzing India’s growth. However, it’s important to acknowledge that Nehru’s emphasis on education, scientific institutions, and industrial infrastructure created a foundation that later reforms could build upon. Both phases of leadership contributed to India’s trajectory, albeit in different ways and contexts. Your nuanced view underscores the need to move beyond simplistic binaries of "good" or "bad" and instead understand historical developments in their complexities. As was outlined in the podcast there are few good or bad guys there :) Thank you for enriching the discussion with this thoughtful analysis. 🙏
Civilization has nothing to do with religion . In fact, religion itself is part of that civilization where religion is born. Religion is a very small segment of any society. Civilization is regional and religions are creations of individuals who were part of that civilization but new religion in that society never created any new civilization. In fact , everything religion teaches and preaches were part of that society already .
Staring from Nehru to modi all Indian Prime have played their role in National building.Yes journey was started from Nehru and it is continuing and continuing.
You're absolutely right and have highlighted an important point i.e. nation-building is a continuous journey that spans generations and leaderships. From Nehru's foundational contributions in shaping India’s institutions and infrastructure to Modi Ji’s current efforts in areas like technology, infrastructure, and international relations, every leader has played a unique role based on the challenges and opportunities of their time. I believe that India’s progress is a testament to the collective efforts of its people and leaders, each adding a chapter to the nation’s story. It’s inspiring to see how India has evolved, maintaining its democratic values while navigating diverse cultural, economic, and political landscapes. This ongoing journey of nation-building reminds us that progress isn’t the result of one individual or one era-it’s the outcome of sustained effort, collaboration, and a shared vision for the future. Thank you for sharing this positive and thoughtful perspective 🙏
@@MukhbirNamaNehru is criticised because Congress has glorified him a lot for votes.😂 Otherwise, every sane person would agree that Nehru did a good job at that critical moment.👍 But, Congress has portrayed him like some G0d.😂
I really don't understand why Pakistani Intellectual class is not good at studying correct history and religion of the sub-continent? When Taimur said that the "North se South of India Jaane ke baad Hinduism alag hi present hota hai...like it becomes opposite to what Hinduism in north is.". So, I don't know what he saw in south of India, but what I can say is, he never actually read anything about Hinduism other than what the whole pakistan has read. Please I correct your knowledge of History and Hinduism. There's no difference between North and South Indian Hinduism, only customs and culture changes when we move from north to south.
Thank you for clarifying that. Are there no differences in terms of mythology or theology there? Perhaps Dr.Rahman was considering how certain characters or deities are viewed across cultures 🙏
This ‘Churan’ is mainly for the domestic populace of Paxstan but a lot of Indian’s are watching to know how bad India is portrayed there. Indian’s have to be mindful of the dangers of Goebbelsian influence of such podcasts, where a certain narrative is peddled deliberately and repeatedly. They think it’s the truth, but its ‘their’ perception of truth really, their truth. A sophisticated lie/half-truth repeated a thousand times starts to manifest like truth, influencing viewers’ thinking subconsciously. Not many podcasters I hear, dares to discuss the real issues faced by Paxstan today - Islam and the reform of Islam. If at all Paxstan has to reimagine/reinvent itself, then they must address this thousand headed monster, which is extremist scriptural Islam. Even that proverbial ostrich knows it now but not their intelligentsia for obvious reasons😅 JNU among India’s world class universities?? I’m rolling with laughter. This is evidence that you guys want to push a certain agenda. Think about all the controversies surrounding JNU. Now, ofcourse, the government has cleaned up JNU, the alumni which comes out are capable to build India and not to break it. Communist student leaders were given out of turn admissions and some of them study there for 12 years😅 Organizing anti-Modi agitations, most of which were spectacularly violent, is what they do. Let’s feign for a moment that India has no IITs, IIMs, BITS Pilani’s, eminent private universities, IISC, AIIMS etc etc With malice towards none, good wishes.
With love and without malice! Thank you for sharing your perspective and please allow me to address a few points you’ve raised. First, regarding perceptions of truth, you’re absolutely right that narratives can sometimes be shaped by repetition and selective framing. This is why platforms like ours aim to encourage critical thinking and promote nuanced discussions. The goal isn’t to peddle a narrative but to engage with complex issues honestly and transparently, even if it challenges certain perspectives. As for Pakistan’s challenges, including religious extremism, it’s undeniable that these are critical issues requiring introspection and reform. Quite honestly Pakistan is desperatly seeking those reforms and should get on with improving things for the minorities there. At the same time, for a society like Pakistan discussions around religion and societal reform are delicate, especially in the polarized Pakistan that exists today. However, I still believe that they remain essential for progress and addressing such "thousand-headed monsters," as you put it, is a shared challenge across many nations, not just Pakistan. On JNU and Indian education, it’s encouraging to see a passionate defense of India’s educational institutions. JNU, like any institution, has its controversies and triumphs. While it has been a hub for political activism and debate, its contributions to academia and public discourse cannot be entirely dismissed. India’s rich tapestry of world-class institutions, such as IITs, IIMs, and AIIMS, stands as a testament to its commitment to education and innovation. As you can well imagine, I would be hard pressed to find something coming to that level in Pakistan. I welcome your engagement and value constructive criticism since the aim is not to sow division or promote malice but to create a space for dialogue that bridges divides and fosters mutual understanding. Thank you for your good wishes and for contributing to the discussion with thoughtfulness and candor 🙏 BTW. If you like Chooran I would recommend taking a look at the podcast we did with Adeel. He really tells a good story about the Chooran :)
@@MukhbirNamaAdeel is gem of Pakistan. 💎 Please protect him at any cost.😂 As long as people like Adeel & Raza exists.😂 We Indian youth need not to worry about competition in international market from Pakistani youth.😂
Can’t disagree more It’s not caste based politics that’s brought glory to Modi It’s rejoicing the past, embracing historical mistakes with grace, showing future path with some great policies on women empowerment, direct benefit to under privileged, focus on made in India, digital economy, entrepreneurship that’s bringing laurels to Indian economy Issue with Muslims is that they don’t believe in sharing anything …you have to earn respect and not command it Diversity comes naturally to Indians Nehru was a selfish person, it’s his policies that drove India to bankruptcy in early 90s. Last 10 years have been game changer because of Modi’s India first policy
Thank you for sharing your thoughts so passionately. It's clear that you hold a strong belief in the progress India has made in recent years, and there’s no doubt that initiatives like women empowerment, direct benefit transfers, promoting entrepreneurship, and a focus on digital and "Make in India" initiatives have had a significant impact. Such policies do reflect efforts to strengthen the Indian economy and create opportunities for all. Regarding diversity, it’s heartening to see pride in India’s multicultural identity-it truly is one of the country’s greatest strengths. While opinions about historical leaders like Nehru may vary, it’s important to acknowledge the challenges of post-independence India and the foundational work that helped shape the nation, even as policies and priorities evolved over time. Thank you for contributing to the discussion with such clarity and conviction! 🙏
@ grateful for your revert. One can always agree to disagree We wish our neighbours who should never have been partitioned from us all happiness and prosperity
24:58 zara bataiye what happened to this Mandal? Lol the utter misunderstanding of India today and this weird urge to attempt to monkey balance the record of the two nations is a disease that undermines so many so-called Liberal Pakistanis. However hats off to the interviewer for clearly trying to steer the ship.
Thanks🙏 to jinnah, indo muslims 🤲☪️ are divided ➗️ into 3 countries, 20cr in bangladesh 🇧🇩 , 20cr in India 🇮🇳 , 25cr in Pakistan 🇵🇰. Total 65 crore 😮 . It would be total chaos if 3 countries gets merged into Akhand Bharat. what will we do with so many peaceful 🤲 peoples. Scary 😱 right. I am grateful to Md ali Jinnah ❤🙏 🙌. Thank you Quaid-e-azam jinu uncle 😂
Indian vote for bekow thing's in election. 1. Jobs 2 infrastructure development 3. Inflation 4. Govt programs 5. Caste but redusing day by day 6 state wise local issues 7. Last is religion
Thank you for clarifying. There are analysts who believe that caste still plays a part in voting patterns but perhaps they give this factor more importance than others 🙏
@@MukhbirNama india had 545 MP seats all caste and religious people stays in it hard to find which cast is high and low, I am hyderabad where muslim leader asaduddin as a mp from last20 years but I am Hindu,
I sincerely apologize for our lacking intellectual abilities :) Not every conversation can be a heavyweight title match. Some are more like a casual sparring session at the local gym 😂 Maybe next time we’ll bring out the big boy gloves ;)
Hi Sir great fan of your work hence subscribed you. Love from Kerala 🇮🇳🇮🇳. Your guest is biased and vicious just like his name suggests.. Taimur was famous for his barbaric acts on our forefathers and sadly he is continuing his legacy by poisoning minds. Please ask him to read Advaita Vedanta that was established by Adi Shankarachaya which united us with north. Pooja practices are same across Bharat. India is not Secular because Constitution guarantees it. It is secular because of Hindu way of living. We have utmost tolerance and empathy towards other creatures and his leftist propaganda wont poison our mind.
Quite a few people will think that to be true and we have seen that perceptions between people in Pakistan and India can sometimes be influenced by historical, political, and media narratives, which may foster biases on both sides. However, it’s also important to recognize that it’s the willingness to engage with diverse perspectives and seek mutual understanding that truly bridges divides. In my experience, many educated Pakistanis are unbiased, appreciative and curious about India and its culture, often expressing admiration for various aspects like cinema, literature, and economic achievements. Similarly, many Indians hold positive views about Pakistan’s culture, music, and hospitality. These shared interests and mutual respect are where real connections can thrive. I believe that conversations like this one are a small but meaningful way to break down prejudices and focus on what unites us rather than what divides us. Perhaps some day you will be able to say that at least two Pakistanis do not have prejudices towards India 🙏 Thank you for contributing to this discussion as such exchanges are essential for building bridges.
Well, not everyone shines like the sun or can be as bright as you :) Some are more like a cozy night lamp: subtle, steady, and quietly doing their job! 😉 But hey, every perspective adds something to the conversation, and that’s what makes it interesting. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts with multiple comments 🙏
34:51 Industerialization, and import substitution. These policies led to inefficiency, a lack of innovation, and a socialist mindset that persisted for decades. Effects of Nehru's economic policies Inefficiency The heavy reliance on the state for industrialization led to inefficiency and a lack of innovation in the private sector. Bureaucratic hurdles Extensive licensing and government controls stifled entrepreneurship and delayed technological advancements. Reduced global trade India's global trade share was significantly reduced from 25% in 1947 to 19% in 1966. Neglect of agriculture Nehru's policies neglected agriculture and labor-intensive industries, which exacerbated poverty. Slow growth The Nehru development model led to low growth and poor performance of international trade. Nehru's economic philosophy Nehru's economic philosophy was based on scientific socialism tempered by humanism. His goal was to eliminate poverty and want through growth and self-sufficiency. IIT were existed allready, there are many references where Nehru created hurdles in Neuclear Research and Space Programme. My question is what concrete evidence you have to protect your claim for Nehru Policies.
I'm sure you'll agree that Nehru's impact on India is continually debated but his economic policies should be understood in the context of a newly independent India. As noted in the podcast, the context is critical :) India was emerging from nearly two centuries of colonial exploitation, leaving it economically weak, socially fragmented, and industrially underdeveloped. Nehru envisioned a modern, self-reliant nation and focused on creating a foundation for long-term growth through state-led industrialization, self-sufficiency, and scientific progress. A key element of Nehru’s vision was industrialization. He prioritized the development of heavy industries like steel, cement, and energy through public sector undertakings (PSUs). Institutions like Steel Authority of India (SAIL) and Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL) are products of this vision, forming the backbone of India’s industrial infrastructure. While import substitution policies may seem outdated now, they were necessary at the time to reduce foreign dependency and protect nascent industries from global competition. These measures laid the groundwork for India’s eventual economic liberalization. Nehru’s contributions to scientific and technological development remain one of his most enduring legacies. He established premier institutions like the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), and Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC). These institutions have played a crucial role in making India a leader in technology and space exploration. His emphasis on cultivating a scientific temper fostered innovation and broke the colonial mold of a raw-material-exporting economy. While some argue that Nehru’s policies led to bureaucratic inefficiencies, the license raj system was implemented to ensure equitable resource distribution and prevent monopolistic practices in a country with limited capital. Although this system later became rigid, it was initially a necessary measure to foster balanced development. Similarly, criticisms of agricultural neglect overlook initiatives like land reforms, community development programs, and multipurpose river valley projects such as Bhakra-Nangal, which laid the foundation for the Green Revolution under Lal Bahadur Shastri. India’s reduced global trade share during Nehru’s tenure was largely a result of structural adjustments in a post-colonial economy transitioning from a raw material exporter to a self-sufficient producer. It’s important to recognize that this shift was inevitable as India worked to build its internal capabilities. Moreover, Nehru actively supported India’s nuclear and space programs, backing Homi Bhabha’s vision and championing ISRO’s establishment. His prioritization of peaceful nuclear energy aligned with India’s non-alignment policy and helped garner international support. While Nehru’s policies were not without flaws, they were a response to the unique challenges of his time. His vision of a self-reliant, modern India laid the foundation for many of the country’s achievements today. The infrastructure, scientific institutions, and democratic framework he built continue to serve as pillars of India’s progress. Nehru’s leadership should be seen as a necessary stepping stone in India’s journey toward modernization. Constructive criticism of his policies is valuable, but I hope you know it is essential to acknowledge the context and challenges of post-independence India. Nehru’s contributions, guided by a commitment to scientific socialism tempered with humanism, remain a cornerstone of India’s development story. I really wish Pakistan had found her own Nehru during her early years.
Valmiki jinhone Ramayan likhi wo khud ekk dalit the. Agar aaj hum hindu log Shree Ram ko jante hai to wo sirf Maharshi Valmiki ke Karan jante hai or wo khud ekk dalit the. Dusri baat vedh me 4 varn the jo karm ke aadhar par the na ki birth ke aadhar par. Mauryan empire ke baad pushymitr shung king aate hai jo ekk kattar Brahmins thi. Us time par two Rishi the ekk ka naam tha Maharshi Patanjali jinhone yoga diya or dusre the Manu jisne Manu Smriti likhi 200 b.c.e ke baadh usme brahaman ne apne aap ko superiors dikhane ke liye cast system ko janm base kar diya or manusmriti ko us time law book bna diya jisko dr. Bim rao ji ne jala diya tha kyunki manusmriti hi cast ka cause bn gayi thi. Manusmriti koi religion book nahi hai balki law book thi us time ke king ki. Hindu main scriptures shruti shastra hai joki vedas and Upanishads hai. Aaj ke din koi varn nahi hai balki different communities hai jisko cast bolte hai like jaat, gujjar, rajput, chamaar etc yeh sub vedic time par name nahi the or na hi kisi hindu scriptures me inka name. Yeh sub cast nahi kabile hai jo apni community me marriage karte hai like jaat jaat community me , rajput gujjar apni apni community me. Aaj india me cast kuch hisho me hai baaki sub ekk sath school padte hai, khate hai pite hai koi problem nahi hai bhai. Chamar word 1400Ad ke baad aaya hai kyunki yeh chamade ke shoes bnate the jisme meat ka istemal hota tha isliye vegetarian hindu inse alag ho gaye north india me kyunki north india mostly vegetarian tha or jo meat khate the unke hath se pani bhi nahi pite the jo vegetarian log the isi karan yeh cast or untouched system bna kyunki wo meat se jute bnate the. Otherwise indian subcontinent me kewal satvahna or sungh hi Brahmins king huye hai baaki sub kshtriya, baniya,sudhra king hue hai like gupta empire baniya tha. Upanishads par Matrix movie bhi bani hai Hollywood ki yeh hindu non-dual religion hai yaha par god ko lekar maar kat nahi rahi bus cast joki after Maurya empire aayi hai uski vajah se problem hui jo ab dhire dhire kam ho rahi hao ❤
Indianisation of Pakistan? Ye kab hua 😮😅 Btw, Pakistanis know little of India to make any analysis worth building a Strategy. And it's good news for us Indians. Pak Army, Defense Forces and Intelligence knowing their Indian counterparts well and having a Defense Strategy shall suffice ✌🏻
You would be surprised! During the days of the news of love jihad in India there was a trend in the Pakistani media about the influence of Indian dramas causing the Indianisation of Pakistan. It is fascinating what keeps getting reported in local press 😂
Bhai ye Taimur Rehman dusara Stalin hai... Ye economic policy tab chal sakti hai jab dictatorship ho... Aur ab social media ke jamane main yeh possible nahi hai ...
I really hope you can understand that NO ONE in the world has a monopoly on telling anyone what "real" Islam is. There are multiple interpretations as outlined in the podcast itself ranging from very liberal and progressive to hard conservative. Even within the same individual, such as Azad and Sir Syed, who changed their mindsets and interpretations of Islam as they grew and evolved 🙏
Allah ka shukr hey ke Pakistan ban gaya. Aaj hum Pakistan majey sey gay(cow) ka gosht kha sakte hain. Musalmanane hind tau ye sapna bhi nahi dekh sakta.
Narendra Modi khud other backward class se aate hai. BJP cast system ko dhire dhire khatm kar rahi hai or hindu ko ekk jut karne me lagi hui hai. Or ab bjp south india tak pahunch gayi hai like Andra pardesh or Karnataka, odisha etc. Bjp abki baar Uttar Pradesh me nahi jit saki lekin south india me jitna suru kar diya hai.
Both sides taught the wrong history so that Muslim be Happy Paksitan taught that Mugal bought development and they are owner of the India India also taught that Mugal stayed back and they were not invader, so forget about Rana Pratap, Sanga all Hindu Kinds India education minister Abdul Kalam Azad, who ensured Madrsa education matches with formal education Islam is the cult for Humanity
I am surprised that Dr Taimur has a good understanding of India still has inadequate info or understanding of many incidents in India. Wish he reads the documents and nit get influenced by news reports. This is not how scholars acquire info.
Sir thanks for your kind reply ,real islam preached by moulawis and appearing everywhere in world does not have any scope for different interpretation why you people not showing coureage to reply and argument in pakistan and zakir naik like well scholars you please search first why and when your forefathers converted because of sufii saints preaching or by force etc and about your dna donot flee from reality people have become now clever
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and I really appreciate your feedback. I believe that despite what the "moulawis" say there is always room for interpretation and even within the podcast there were people mentioned who took a different view. Even today there are individuals within Islam like Ghamdi Sahab who take a more nuanced view of secularism and its application to law. I think that Islam like any other religion has living adherents who will develop their own understanding of it to go with the times. Perhaps some day Zakir Sahab will not have the hold he does and is possible seen as a wrong number? 🙏
@MukhbirNama Thank you for mentioning the atrocities against Hindus in Bangladesh in recent months🙏 Appreciate your honesty. @18:23
Absolutely. Concerns have been raised about the treatment of Hindus and several international bodies have raised an alarm. As noted in the podcast, the condition of minorities seems to be an issue globally.
Donald Trump also raised this issue@@MukhbirNama
Yes. He made a tweet.
I wanna tell you a math . Agr United India hota toh Punjabi , Bengali and South Indian agr aksath lobby karte toh Neheru PMO nahi ho sakta tha. UK ko Punjab regiment and M15 k liye land chahiye tha USSR k khilaf khara hone k liye, unhone Muslim card khel diya. Neheru ne bhi unki godi k liye ish math may "ha" var diya. jisko akal nahi tha woh andolon may chala gaya. aj USSR nahi hai, Pakistan ki value bhi nahi hai. United Socialist Secular India is the only solution . Pakistan ko girna koi nahi rok sakta hain 10-20 sal k vitor.
If Nehru was the reason for india growth now then how come india become top 5 Fragile economy under top economist Manmohan in 10 yrs from top 13 economy under vajpai
In Pakistani constitution, it is legally sanctioned to do segregation of minorities, making them second- class citizens, prohibiting them from holding any high office of prominence.
In India, there's no such type of any second grade citizenship.
You're very right and some minorities in India have held high offices as noted within this podcast. It is hoped that Pakistan does more for it's minorities as they are currently in dismal conditions 🙏
I am from India and saw your video for the first time..... but I would appreciate very well presented and very good content....Keep up the good work.. Hinduism is a way of life and though there are differences between North and Southern part of India but we all are united because of our resilience, diversity and above all Hinduism
Talk about resilience - 1,009 years of oppression and here we are. Hats off to our ancestors who could survive all that and hand us a country that’s ours to build stronger or destroy.
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch our video and share your kind words! It means a lot to us, especially coming from someone watching for the first time. We're so glad you found the content engaging and well-presented-your encouragement truly motivates us to keep working hard.
India's diversity and unity are indeed remarkable, and Hinduism, as a way of life, beautifully reflects the strength of resilience and inclusivity that binds people together. The differences between North and South only add to the rich tapestry of culture, making India unique and inspiring. Thank you once again for your thoughtful comment, and we hope you continue to join us for more conversations. Best wishes and gratitude! 🙏
@@ritika14707 very few ladies have such throughs.
The economic rise of India is not the product of Nehru but the product of PV Narshimarao. 😊😊😊
Thank you for clarifying! Do you believe his achievements outshone Nehru's?
@@MukhbirNamano
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@@MukhbirNama Nehru's policies brought India to the position of bankruptcy in 90's where Pakistan is today. It is the policies of PV Narshimarao which is behind India's meteoric economic rise.
@@soumyadas6958 The first tractor was made under his tenure, collaboration with Citizen company of Japan and created first wrist watch company hmt. Send Father of white revolution Dr. Varghese Kurien foreign for higher studies on Government funding, creation of IITs, IIMs, Isro. I need couple hours to make you understand.
@24:51 Joginder Nath Mandal was subjected to the use and throw policy by Muslims. He was used to influence the Hindu Dalits of Sylhet district (now in Bangladesh) to vote in favor of joining Pakistan and later Joginder Nath Mandal was sidelined and insulted...so much so that he returned to India and died in Kolkata.
Kya baat hai bhai. Great input in knowledge
To retire in India also seemed to be Jinnah's dream as he wished to go to Bombay after finishing his tenure as governor-general. Few leaders appear to want to stay in Pakistan.
@@MukhbirNama Joginder Nath Mandal didn't come to India to retire. He came back after being sidelined and insulted. He died in Kolkata licking his wounds. You are free to Google up his story.
Absolutely right
You're very right. Pakistan has a history of mistreating heroes.
28:45 The caste system is strong abhi tak....if that was true then I a Kshatriya will not be best buddies with my BFF who is a Dalit....and I have no shame in admitting that he has a better degree than me, better job than me and better salary than me.....the remnants of Caste System remain but there are political forces (Congress not BJP) that keep those remnants alive....
Is the caste system a non-issue in India today? Do you really believe India has entered a phase in its development where politics become caste blind?
whereas in Pakistan Caste system-is alive and kicking in terms of Merasi Jutt, gujjar, etc
@@MukhbirNamaCaste is still important in many states.
But, saying that there's a huge huge descrimination due to caste is false statement.
Yes, still, marriages happens within own caste.
But, think yourself logically. If I am buying a house in New Delhi. Will they ask my caste before selling? Never!
We are living in 20 storey building, where people belonging to different caste buy houses and live.
In my office, I have to work with my colleagues. Will I ask their caste? Will I refuse to eat with him?
It's not even possible to do so.🙄
It's a very simple logic. As the people becoming richers, middle class is growing. Now, children from every caste are going to school together, struggling for job together, sharing rooms, doing job together.👍
Caste still exists, but, descrimination on the name of caste only exists in some villages or backward areas.👍
@@logiclogiclogic 😂😂😂 joke
Pakka aap North Indian cow belt ke bhakt ho ....... Wahi hota he caste system
@@nikhildeshmukh6221 English nahi aati kya? Marathi mai explain karu?
By the way, caste system is definitely bad. No Hindu objects. But sectarianism in Islam is evil. People literally ki11 each other over sectarianism. No tolerance there at all.
Some untouchables live in our village but now we don't treat them like untouchables. Now we go to work with them and share food with each other. And this has been happening not just now but a long time ago when people have become educated.
You're quite right. The issues around sectarian violence in Pakistan as well as the treatment given to those considered heretics and blasphemers is a huge concern.
I'm really glad to hear that education improved things for everyone. Really appreciate you sharing your wonderful experience 🙏
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@@MukhbirNama remember that caste was a part of Hindu theology - when our reformers realized it was holding us back we threw it away. Islam will have to throw away the concept of endless war against the Kafir in the same way.
4 questions to ask all Pakistanis
1: Do you want Pakistan to be Secular
2: Why
3: Do you want India to be Secular
4: Why
Why Pakistanis associate IITs with Information Technology only. These Institutes teach all branches of Engineering, IT came much later.
Thank you so much for clarifying. I assure you that we are very impressed globally from the IITs of India 🙏
Jogendra Nath Mandal fled from Pakistan to save his life.
He is quite the tragic figure for Pakistan. I wish he had been treated better by the nation.
Single most critical change needed in Pakistan is de-emphasis on religion. Can Pakistanis do that? I don't think so.
You're very right and I am sure that work is being done in that direction today. Perhaps in a few years and hopefully within our lifetimes, as Dr. Taimur pointed out in the podcast, we'll see some improvements.
@@MukhbirNamaI would very much like to see that. Best wishes for a peaceful and progressive Pakistan as a productive member of our world family.
@@MukhbirNamaMukhbir Saheb 😂It's Okay That Religion Should Be Toned Down.
But, Are You Really Looking Ahead To Give Your Country To A Communist?😂
If I Am Given A Choice Between Taimur Lal & Saad Rizvi. I Will Happily Chose Saad Rizvi Become India's Prime Minister Over Taimur.😂
Communists Are 🐍 👍
Separation of church and state is so important. As a Hindu I have zero interest in someone’s religion and I don’t want them to have any interest in mine. Hindus get pushed towards fanaticism as a response to fanatics who want to convert us. Leave us alone and you won’t have to worry about Hindutva. Just mind your business and don’t mix your religion with politics and allow us to practice ours in peace.
If Pakistan has to wait for BJP government to go to develop friendship then Pakistan has to wait for long time. Both BJP governments (Bajpai and Modi) try to make friendship with Pakistan but Pakistan did not respond in kind. The difference between Congress and BJP governments is that BJP is not following Gandhi’s policy of turning other cheek when somebody hit on one cheek. Instead every terrorist activity whose roots are traced in Pakistan BJP government is tightening screws on Pakistan. If Pakistan wants relationship with India, their establishment has to change policy of “death by thousand cut”. New India with not allow terror and talk go hand in hand.
@10:14 North Indian villians are South India's Heroes & vica versa !?
This guy has no idea what he is talking about.
Intellectual bankruptcy is all that can be said.
I sincerely apologize if any incorrect information has been given out. Please share the real facts if you can 🙏
Mukharbirnamaji your guest is nonsense ( Murkha ) . You people try to encash views by discussing Bharat . Aap banayena VDO Paxtan issues ke upar , nobody will watch.
@MukhbirNama Hinduism does not satisfy the western definition of Religion. We don't have a single prophet or a single book to which we turn for guidance. There are basic similarities but also some deviations. For example, in Bengal, the Hindus offer fish to deities which is something unthinkable for those in Gujarat. Yet, Durga Pooja is a major event in both these states.
What your Guest suggested is totally wrong.
Facts are too enormous to share. One needs to explore for oneself.
@@rahulrasiklalbora4296 You might be right! Perhaps there is more awareness in India as compared to Pakistan 😂
@@MukhbirNamayou have excellent diplomacy skill as u r also replying your trolls very softly
While Caste was one of the reasons for some people converting to Islam, there were other reasons that had more effect such as the implementation of jizya and the way it was collected from Hindus. They not only made people poorer but also humiliated them badly. Salman Rashid had talked about it in one of his interviews. It’s good to read about the reasons before making misleading statements.
You're very right. Salman Sahab talked about it and described how this practice was conducted and was in place till it was abolished. Thank you for sharing 🙏
@@MukhbirNama don't need to listen to Salam sahab, Aurangzeb has written it all in his Fatawa Alamgiri.
Afghanistan, KPK & Most Of Pakistani Areas Were Dominated By Buddhist.👍
They Converted To Islam Because Of Caste?🙄
Maybe Some Hndus Did. But, Majority Of Those Areas Were Buddhist.
When you mention Kashmir, do think abt Balochistan.
Absolutely, the issues we face connect us all.
49:55 There are a few Pakistani students in India as Delhi hosts the SAARC's South Asia University, last I heard there was a BBC (not BJP) report that Pakistan was not paying its share of the University's costs....
Thank you for sharing! I really hope that situation improves as Pakistan's spending on education leaves a lot to be desired.
Even in this university the Afghans are doing far better than the Pakistanis.
yes Pakstan hasnt paid its share from DAY 1
Please talk about Bloch missing person … pok struggling and Sindh problem… Indian Kashmiri much happier than pok Kashmiri
Thank you for pointing it out. I hope you have seen our podcast with Adeel Afzal where we've discussed those issues and many others within Pakistan 🙏
10:16
North Indian heroes are villains of South India..🤣🤣🤣
That's not true.
10:00
Hinduism is culturally diverse as we are extremely culturally diverse set.
There is no one book, no one God, you can be atheist, you can be agnostic, you can be anything in this religion.
It is less of religion but more of culture and way of life.
15:03
Cabinet Mission plan in 1946, Congress rejected 1st plan on grouping India as Hindu majority and Muslim majority areas, rather wanted whole of India with strong centre.
2nd plan Congress rejected partition of India and accepted to be in Constituent assembly where it send Zakir Hussain Ji as one of its nominated member but the League objected saying only it(M.L.) represented Indian Muslims and no other party. The Muslim League did not take part in it.
Here one party is arguing of secular India and other is arguing of Non- secular Pakistan. People still support non-secular party over secular party then it means they don't want secularism. Extending same logic ,most Hindus supported Secular party whereas most Muslims supported Non- secular party and somehow onus is upon us to be secular and prove it... WOW... sometimes I want to laugh so hard on these logics ...😂😂😂
18:20
India has treated its minorities so well that they rose to the highest offices of India be it of any field because we didn't keep any prejudices in our head.
Give me examples of your country.
Though I agree recently there are more minority issues in India.
Condition of Muslims is very bad in our country, but you have to fight for your space in India as the pie is so small. It is true for everybody in India that you have to fight fierce competition in order to rise up in India.
22:06
There is lot of struggle to get out of poverty in India. Education is one thing which will take a family out of bad economic conditions.
Thank you for sharing such a well-articulated perspective with timestamps! You’ve touched upon several important points that deserve careful consideration. I believe that Hinduism’s cultural diversity and its inclusive approach-allowing space for atheism, agnosticism, and various philosophical beliefs-indeed make it a unique system which I deeply admire. I see it as more of a way of life than a structured religion which reflects its flexibility and adaptability and that itself makes it easy for it to play a significant role in shaping India's cultural fabric.
Regarding the Cabinet Mission Plan and the events leading to partition, your analysis highlights the complexities of that era. The Congress and Muslim League had starkly different visions, and these ideological differences set the stage for partition. The narrative of secularism versus communalism continues to provoke debate even today. The idea that Hindus supported secularism while Muslims leaned toward non-secularism is, as you pointed out, an oversimplification, but it does reflect how communal identities were politicized during that time. The same elements were discussed in our podcast with Mr. Imtiaz Alam and I hope you get to share your thoughts on that too.
I will freely admit that India has indeed made strides in providing opportunities for minorities, as evidenced by individuals from diverse backgrounds rising to prominent positions. However, the challenges you mention-like the condition of Muslims and the fierce competition in India-are real and require collective efforts to address. The struggle for upward mobility, particularly through education, is a universal aspiration, and it’s heartening to see people in India striving for progress despite the challenges. Your point about poverty and education is crucial. Education is undeniably one of the most powerful tools for breaking the cycle of poverty and creating equitable opportunities. While the path is difficult, the focus on education is an investment in a better future which is something Pakistan desperately needs to do.
I believe that conversations like these remind us that while historical narratives may differ, the aspiration for equality and opportunity is universal. I thank you for adding depth to this discussion 🙏
@@MukhbirNamaLeftists says "India was secular and minorities were treated well under congress".
Next minutes they will start quoting "Commission reports" which clearly says that Minority status didn't improve under 60 years of congress rule.😂
Khul kr kyo nhi bolte ki Congress ne sirf m0lvi aur elite m0mins ko favor kiya. Normal ground ka level ka sirf vote k liye use kiya. Unki life improve nhi hui.😢
Today, under BJP era, calculate the percentage of m0min enrolling in higher education, getting technical jobs. It's increased many folds.
But, Modi don't appease m0lvis & elite m0mins. So, negative perception is built.🙄
Why? Why should be appease m0lvi?🙄Is there any descrimination with a m0min getting admission in school or applying for a job?🙄
Who can uplift a m0min who makes 5-6 babies and couldn't afford a good education.🙄
I'm earning 7-8 lakhs per months. Still, I am concerned if I can give education to my 1 child. While m0mins are making 5-6 children with no tension about their education & job.🙄
Muslims rose to the rank of Lt. General as Corps Commandders.
I am shocked once again with the quailty of information, intellect and Bias...All the best friends in Pakistan. If you are wearing a dark thick glass yoou will be not able to see the truth.
I am always trying to see the truth. Perhaps one day I shall see it 🙏
@@MukhbirNama your attitude is impressive. None of us are perfect but those who strive to learn and grow are to be commended. Thank you.
18:50 BJP ke naam se hi jalti hai saare Pakistan ki, lol, The Party lives rent free in every Pakistani's head...
You might be quite right! It is something that does worry a lot of Pakistanis.
@@MukhbirNama Shouldn't you be more worried about TLP than BJP? Considering TLP is your home problem and not BJP? Don't you have a bigger responsibility towards the people of Pakistan than the people of India?
@@MukhbirNamaThat's How Perception Is Build.😂 BJP Isn't Liberal Like Congress. That's The Problem.😂
Earlier, Pakistan Was Able To Manipulate Congress Leaders Easily.😂 But, BJP Is Rigid. You Can't Fool Them With Emotional Talks.😂
_Ek Hi Khitta. Ek Hi Log._ 😂
O Bhai, Punjabi Kaum Ek Alag Kaum Hai. Ye Kisi Se Sath Nhi Reh Skte.😂
Sindhi Fir Bhi Thik Hain. Puniabi Kaum Ek Alag Hi Hai.😂 Inko Superiority Complex Hai.😂
@@AsmaKhanum555 You're absolutely right! It is perhaps the biggest concern of all as noted by many guests on our podcast. Thank you so much for bringing it up 🙏
1. Guest and host are so polite.
2. No one denies of nehru contribution, but all 28 states cm and all past pm also important.
3. If u don't like modi, that cant reduce his contribution towards india.
4. He is ruling from 2014 to 2029, not a easy job, bjp got 1 seat in 1980 and now 300+ out of 545 not a easy.
5.why opposite party not coming up because, Congress is loving muslims and hat Hindus, so 80 % Hindus dumping rahul Ghandhi.
6. We never hate muslims, they r part of india but our culture is also important.
7. Muslims,parsi,jain, Christians, bhuddist,jews, are in india and they r in good position, apj kalam is just excample.
8. south and north is same,
9. All Indians look for education, hospital,jobs, infra etc not only in religions, if not how can India growing in fast speed.
10. What about waque land, common law, thriple thalak, etc
Thank you for your detailed comment and for appreciating the tone of our discussion. It’s always great to see such engagement and a willingness to share perspectives. I am able to respond to a few of the points you’ve raised as politeness and mutual respect are the foundation of meaningful conversations, even when discussing complex and emotionally taxing topics. I fully agree that no single individual can shape a nation alone. Nehru’s contributions were foundational, but every state leader, prime minister, and even local representatives have played a role in shaping India’s journey. As Iqbal said, "Har fard hay millat kay muqadar ka sitara". On Modi Ji's leadership I can say that leading a diverse and vast country like India for so many years successfully is indeed a significant achievement, and his impact on India's trajectory-whether in economic or social reforms, infrastructure, or geopolitics-has been notable.
Coming to my own view of Congress and opposition challenges, I can say that political dynamics often reflect shifting public sentiments, and it's true that electoral strategies play a significant role. However, framing it solely as "loving Muslims and hating Hindus" oversimplifies the complex interplay of caste, region, and socio-economic concerns that influence voting patterns. I have always felt that India’s pluralism is its strength. Icons like Kalam are excellent examples of how diverse communities contribute to the nation but ensuring that every group feels secure and valued is an ongoing effort.
This is where the North and South unity idea becomes vital, and your point highlights the importance of shared goals-education, healthcare, jobs, and infrastructure-for the country's growth. At the same time, issues like waqf lands, triple talaq, etc. are important subjects for many in India that spark significant debate about rights, laws, and reforms in a modern, diverse democracy. While opinions may differ, finding solutions that balance justice and inclusivity are critical. I'm certain India will find those solutions and will do so perhaps much faster than Pakistan. I really appreciate all your points which reflect the complexities and aspirations of modern India. Thank you for sharing them and contributing to a constructive discussion 🙏
@MukhbirNama 1.I am from south andhrapradesh our CM mr Chandrababu who first started IT in hyderabad, mist of the indians voted who do the development,roads,hospital,digital, private sector etc, selling only relegion will not yeild any results,
2. Waque land. After the army and railway, waque has the third most land holder india, in tamilnandu entire village under waque, a 3000 year old temple in tamilnadu also In waque land how possible,
3. If u see the indian muslim staying areas are in poor stage, because of an education, law and order issue, settle with small jobs, whereas the majority of indians going for higher jobs and getting good income, where poor indian muslims settle with small jobs, ifter prey for radical ideas.
4. I am from Hyderabad, 90 % of hyderabad developed but old city near charminar where muslim stays is undeveloed, encroachment etc, they protect for stopping roads and flyovers and metro.
5. Congress. Not matching with indians mindset, now no where near to Power
@@SouthindianNarendraChandrababu Is Underrated.👍
He deserves more national level Recognition.👍
@@MukhbirNamaYou probably need to do more critical analysis of Congress policies.👍
I have been congress supporter from decades because I come from Dalit community.👍
They have completely shifted from Secularism to communal politics for sake of m0min votes.😢
Supporting m0mins for vote is also okay. But, Supporting m0lvis? Why?
Supporting r@dic@ls? Why?
Liberal police laws for m0mins? Why?
Denying existence of Hndu g0ds? Why?
There should be some balance. They have completely lost it.😢
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am afraid I do not have any positive or negative views of Congress but respect it as Nehru's party. As per your reports it seems the nature of the party has changed.
THANKS JINNAa for making PAKISTAN
You'll be glad to know that is a sentiment shared by many 😂
@@MukhbirNamaYeah 😂 Situation would have been worse if Pakistan were not divided.😂
For example, fertility rate of Pakistan is more the double that of India.😂 While tax payers are very low.😂
If we were together, there would have been a big issue.😂Indians are paying taxes and Pakistani are just making babies.😂
Ghanta partition. Partition is in theology of islam. Sir sayyad ahmad khan coined partition first.
You're right that he is credited with the idea of the two nation theory. As Dr. Taimur noted, it is important to contextualize him before making a judgement about him 🙏
34:20 But Sassi was a Hindu, and Punnhu was a Baloch Muslim. Their story is not inter-caste or anti-caste, it is inter-religion, or syncretic.
Thank you so much for letting us know! Much appreciated 🙏
Janab, aapke pass skilled labour hai. Pakistani youth India ke freelancers ko takkr dete hai. Ab pta nhi aapke pass companies kyu nhi hai ?
Sahab yehi sawal to mein raton ko uth uth kay soochta hon 😂 Pakistan ki tech industry kehan hay? Lagta hay saari brain drain mein export ho gai :)
Wt the hell he is talking about hero of north india and south india r different 😂 in which fool paradise he is living. He dnt knw how hindus r united through jyotrilings from Himalaya to kanyakumari.
Thank you for clarifying. Is there no difference there or have the stories been exaggerated? Please do let us know.
@@MukhbirNamahero of south like shivaji literally against aurangzeb rule. Adi Shankaracharya from south compiled hindu belief system. Guest is on drugs😂
THANKS JINNA FOR PAKISTAN
That is a sentiment shared by many Indians when they look to their neighbor 🙏
Jinnah did a big favor to India by separating fanatics from his mother land!
You might be quite right about that! Jai Bharat Mata ki 🙏
Indian Ka secular wind up ho gaya...yaar pakistan and conspiracy theory never goes out of fashion. Afeem free hai Pakistan main..
Nahi Janab. Kaafi mehangi parti hay Lahore mein magar suna hay Peshawar mein sasti hay ;) I believe Dr. Taimur was pointing towards a retreat for secular ideals in India rather than a complete shut down.
@@MukhbirNama Dont want to use Janab , OW you will says that we Indians stereotype muslims by saying Janab..hehehehhehe, bhai either I am not listening the podcast or you are ignoring the facts...but I respect you coz I can see that you have gud intentions and means positive, but bhai aap galat logon se mil rahey ho...Nusrat Saheb always performed with masters. Farrrukh sahab was great harmonium player woith great sense of music composition, Dildar Hussain was one of the best TablaNawaz and so on..He never selected random guys to perform with. The talent house he was, he could easily worked with guys who were not masters of their crafts and made life easy..he chose to challenge himself so that he can produce always the best ...company matters
Punjabi + islamic nature hai brother. Blame everything on others. dont talk abt ur own problems to improve. Hindus have totally opposite nature. I m happy we criticise ourselves a lot
@@MukhbirNamaYes, retreat is true.😂 But, Hadsa yun hi ekdum se nhi hota.😂Wakt karta hai parvaris barso.😂
Ek wakt tha jab Secularism of defend krta tha.😂 Ab nhi.😂
Why I don't support anymore?😂
For that, please define Secularism. After definition, think, if India really followed Secularism for last 75 years?😂
I don't think, India was ever a secular country. If it was, it still is.👍
Hnduo ka Maha Kumbh festival ka chairman Musalman ban jata hai. Lekin kisi bhi Muslm ke ek simple a masjid ka chairman Hndu nhi ban skta.😂
Ye kaun sa secularism tha bhai?😂 Ek tarfa Secularism ki jaurat nhi hai.👍 Thank you so much.👍
India pr sanction lga do. Faansi de do. Ulta latka do. Lekin ab hum log one-sided Secularism accept nhi krenge.👍
It should be either from both end, or tata bye bye.👍
@@amitsai want ,shud joined hands but kya kerain surjee. Halaat dono countries ko dur krhe hain. Hamari lifes ma ye dono countrys insan ke bache bnjai. Jaiese pre partition . One ca go frm quetta without visa to. Calcutta n viceversa. Hope oneday it would hapen.
@43:00 for the record, Sir Syed was an Ahmedi
Thank you for letting us know but him being Ahmedi or anything else is really immaterial. We deeply respect his contributions and work done for the people of the sub-continent. For millions, he remains a hero and a force for good that brought the Muslims of India to the school room kicking and screaming. I really wish we had a few more reformers like him who could teach the value and importance of modern education 🙏
Also do not forget the he was the original proponent of Two Nation Theory way back in 1876.
No he wasnt ahmedi. But yes Syed ahmed and Founder of ahmedi sect and later its follower have been best Main stooge of British to control Pakistan. Even aga khan was british stooge. Thats why Hindi-Urdu divide , Hindu-Muslim as separate RACE started By syed ahmed. Also Ahemdi were in forefront of partition and its benefit they r still enjoying by having grip on Most of Power positions in Pakistan. they also got HQ in UK and helped by Global deep state in many ways. Jinnah was a nationalist but post 1920 he must have realise the whole Game plan and setup and finally joined muslim league and ent to england. W/o any charismatic leader in muslims Brits Groomed Jinnah and sent him back to india 1935 and helped him in his rise.
Iqbal was Ahmedi for sure. he was also groomed by Global deep state. I m not sure but I think gandhi was also agent of DS.
This is similar to a section of people in hindus they called liberals . Nehru was also part of it. Nehrus brother or Cousin BK nehru infact married George Soros Cousin or sister in 1930 itself.
Post 1990s the communists lost their Guardian in USSR. And anyway indian communists have been mainly puppet of UK communists more than USSR. Rajne Plame dutt type people have been real Puppet masters.
Today communists & liberals of both pak and india r under full control of GLobal DS. some of them may hve realised it but most of them are groomed when they went for education in IVY leagues or Oxbridge. ex is martya sen types. Look at Md Yunus how he was installed Undemocratically in Bangladesh to control that nation. As Yuval Noah hariri said Its easy of Hack Human mind.
Unless people in Indo pak realise who is their real enemy and india has realised it today and thats why rising, Pak will remain in mess.
Exchange students !?
What you gonna teach our pupils ?
That Sun revolves around Earth...
Hopefully not that. Although I'm sure you'll find people who will insist on the earth being flat as well :)
@@MukhbirNamaExchange of Student is good.👍
But, only some Students.😂
We need to monitor their activities.😂 We don't want Tablighi Jammat within our IITs.😂
Kisi IIT ke kaafir ko kalma padha kr jannat secure krne me lag jayenge.😂
Padho likho, invention kro. Research kro.😂 Dawah gang mat suru kro.😂
A very good interview and discussion. Sure, as an Indian I will find issues with certain things like glossing over the brutality of forced conversions, ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits, etc. But, this is an evolutionary process. The fact that some intellectuals are sticking their neck out to educate their public is commendable in any country anywhere. Fanaticism is to be exposed everywhere by people from within and enlightened thinking is to be celebrated by everyone witnessing it. Kudos!
It is heartening to see such constructive engagement, even when there are differences in perspective. You’ve highlighted an important point for Pakistan as these conversations are indeed part of an ongoing evolutionary process, and the willingness to engage in honest dialogue is a crucial step toward mutual understanding.
The issues you’ve mentioned, such as forced conversions and the tragic plight of Kashmiri Pandits, are deeply significant and deserve attention and empathy. Addressing these topics thoughtfully and honestly is essential for fostering healing and reconciliation, both within societies and across borders. I do plan to question the appropriate guest about these issues and have a discussion on how Pakistan can help put a stop to it. We deeply appreciate your recognition of the effort to encourage intellectual discourse and expose fanaticism wherever it exists. Thank you for your generous words-kudos to you as well for contributing to this shared journey of enlightenment and understanding! 🙏
They think more about India's problems but never but an iota of efforts to improve the lives of Pakistani citizens!
I think you might be quite impressed with the charity work done by Dr. Taimur Rehman. He has been a well respected activist for many years 🙏
Language, culture and civilization is always belonged to regions not religions.
Thank you for sharing such a profound thought. You're absolutely right-language, culture, and civilization are deeply rooted in regions and the shared experiences of the people who inhabit them, rather than being tied to any specific religion. These elements transcend boundaries of faith and are shaped by geography, history, and human connections over time.
This perspective is essential to fostering unity and understanding. When we view culture and civilization through the lens of regions and shared heritage, it helps bridge divides and highlights what unites us rather than what separates us. Thank you for adding such a meaningful perspective to the conversation 🙏
Nehru's half baked Socialism actually brought India close to pauperism.
Sri P V Narasimha Rao as PM, opened the economic scene and put India on the right path.
No way he compared Pakistan with Roman Empire 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He totally did and also said Pakistan can roll along for the next four hundred years :)
True to his name Mr Taimur looks like a Sadist... When he said 'Bangladesh' in case of minorities treatment... Pakistanis are Pakistanis... However literate they are 😂😂😂
Even without partition in 1947, Punjab and Sindh had evolved somewhat separately on their divergent paths since the Greek invasion.
Personally I find Punjabis completely different culturally from people in the Hindi belt.
In many videos from Pakistan there seem to be like talking, walking zombies.
12:49 Duabi just aloowed women driving 😂😂😂😂
Wait till you see what liberties Afghanistan is giving out! 😂
Every Hindu in india from peon to prime minster is having at least one close muslim friend. This is the secularism of india. Is that possible in pakistan?
Not impossible but very unlikely. Pakistan has lost a lot of its minority populations and while one does and can have friends from minorities it is a rarity.
I enjoy watching your videos because you speak the truth and point out our weaknesses, which allows us to improve. You are correct that India is progressing rapidly due to its education system.
Thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words :) It’s truly heartening to know that our efforts to present honest perspectives resonate with you. Acknowledging strengths while reflecting on areas for improvement is indeed a vital step toward growth, and we’re glad these discussions contribute to that process. I firmly believe that India’s progress, particularly through its education system, is a remarkable example of how investing in knowledge and innovation can drive a nation forward. Your support motivates us to continue fostering meaningful dialogue and addressing issues constructively. Thank you again for your thoughtful comment 🙏
Good to see two Persian Mughlai Turkic Afghan Arab brothers speaking so much sense. Guest is misinformed Nehru was responsible for institutional set up but economic growth post 91 is entirely due to Rao and Singh.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment! I am not entirely sure if that is our genetic makeup but I will take your word for it and hopefully continue to speak sense despite my genetic influences ;) It's great to hear that you found value in the conversation and I would like to clarify that while Nehru indeed played a crucial role in laying the institutional foundations of modern India, the economic liberalization introduced under PV Narasimha Rao’s leadership and Dr. Manmohan Singh’s reforms were simply transformative for India’s post 1991 growth. Each era contributed uniquely to India’s development and I believe that Nehru’s vision helped establish the groundwork, and later leaders built on that foundation to open up the economy and accelerate growth. Hope you will agree with that idea 🙏
@11:00 the reason why Pakistanis relate to Bollywood films is that Bollywood was for the most part of its existence, dominated by Punjabis and they used to inject their culture with which the majority of Pakistan's population, the Punjabis related.
Try watching Bhojpuri movies, also a part of North India, see if you can relate.
You're very right. However, this points to the diversity of the sub-continent as noted in the podcast as to how language and culture seem to rapidly change as we go along any direction in the sub-continent.
@MukhbirNama I agree, so Punjab in India is where the similarities end. And Indian Punjab is no more than 4% of its population.
I would like to advise that Pakistanis need to explore similarities with Afghanistan and Iran and avoid getting influenced by non-Muslims.
After all, the accountability before Almighty on the day of judgement is paramount.
BTW many of the subcontinents' "similarities" originated outside of it.
@@arpitsrivastava7470 and you clearly don't know the Brahminical project of Vedas and Upanishads was mostly punjab and Sindh based. Hinduism reached the Up and bihar atleast 2000 years later and there is a continuity. The similarity is even Genetic in nature for example you a Srivastava is much more closely related to a Punjabi Khatri than to a Majhi in UP.
Framing this as an anti Punjabi discourse would not work
@@AyushGupta-rq4qu that was never my intention. I was merely stating the facts as I know them.
As an adivasi I'm thankful that Pak was created..
NOW NO INSANE VOICES CAN BE TOLERATED IN INDIA
I can assure you we seem to have a lot of tolerance for insane voices in Pakistan 😂
@MukhbirNama we know VIGO waits outside
I am atheist & free speech absolutist..
But I know ur state can't even tolerate anything.
@@solo.108 are you mad? we have to fight together against BJP RSS and Hindutva politics. if we support the wrong move, they we will go to the infinite loop. all the dictetors of this world wants us to push on that loop.
@@parthapratimganguly2400 see I would like hate speech laws to go away and I would like to criticize every single faith but today it's not possible...I don't mind if u have different opinion than mine..I want complete free speech to criticize all faiths, thoughts, philosophies, policies, govts and even nation's people...Today we don't have that anyone can be jailed for anything
@@parthapratimganguly2400 i'm sorry bro but i disagree completely with u
No wonder Pakistan is where it is ... when you see these kind of shallow intellectuals celebrated in the country .....
Please forgive us. I am afraid we do not have much intellectual capacity in Pakistan. Hopefully we'll be able to import some from Canada or America :)
@@MukhbirNamaYou shouldn't be afraid of that.😂You should be afraid of communists.😂
Why?
Please list down muslim countries which were communist.
Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon.😂
What was the end result?😂 They all became fanatic.😂
Now, think next...
In which states of India most of the r@dic@l muslms outfits flourish? Bengal, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Assam.🙄 Historically they were ruled by left government.
Think next...
Which government in UK protected the gr00ming g@mg? And, still downplaying it?😢
It's very simple that that the left government appease r@dic@l outfits for votes.😢
@@MukhbirNama no need to import intellect , just ask them to send some reasonable history n philosophy books ... and have a pain to READ them ... for a couple of years ...
Absolutely. Please let me know the books on history and philosophy you've read in the previous year and I'll try to put them on my reading list 🙏
@ jinnah (istiyak ahmad )
maine dhaka doobte dekha
pakistan from military to mosque
fighting till the end
military inc.
and last and not the least /// REPORT -- mujib ur rehman report on 1971
n many many more .. u just start with them ... all pakistani writers
My wishes matter less but more importantly when Pakistani muslims improve their day to day working , thinking & particularly their ruling junta & politicians
Crediting Nehruvian Socialism for India's present prosperity is juvenile. In fact it shows utter lack of knowledge of Indian Economy and socio- economic realities.
Thank you for your views on India's present prosperity. Who would you credit it with?
Only one solution of India- Pakistan bangladesh , is population exchange and kashmir issue, Of all three countries. Ek nae ek din yae hona hai. Aaj kar loe 50 Saal baad ya hogaee. 1. Total population exchange 2. Kashmir issue is related with population transfer. Nahi toe Shanti nahi ayyaa sakti . Population transfer kae bad e.u type hoe saktaee hai.
Would you have to force this population movement? I mean what if people living in certain places do not wish to move?
@@MukhbirNama agar tino desh chahyee toe Shanti sayee transfer hoe saktaee hai. Agar east Pakistan mayee mujid nayee hindu population koe khadayee, toe Assam , manipur, tripura, Bengal sayee bhi population transfer hogee, likh loee. Gandhi ji nahi hai aab is continent mayee.
That really does not sound as simple as it should be. I presume you are not a fan of Gandhi Ji either?
I'm glad that you've invited such an intellectual person. I would suggest you to invite Raza Rumi, Pervaiz Hoodboy, Muhammad Waseem, ali usman qasmi, among others. There is a dire need to project a progressive and enlightened parallel point of view to counter the ultra right wing groups in this country.
Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful comment. It’s truly encouraging to see support for hosting intellectual discussions on critical topics. We completely agree that voices like Raza Rumi and Pervez Hoodbhoy etc. offer valuable, progressive perspectives that can foster a deeper understanding and counterbalance extreme narratives. You'll be glad to know that a podcast with Raza Rumi Sahab is under production and will be posted soon :) Your suggestions aligns perfectly with our vision to promote thoughtful dialogue and shed light on diverse viewpoints. We will certainly consider reaching out to the other distinguished individuals to bring more enriching and balanced discussions to our platform. Thank you for your encouragement and for contributing to the conversation with such positivity🙏
Taimur sir is a rational person
Thank you so much! We really appreciate your feedback ❤️
Yes he is rational But he lack Facts and logic knowledge atleast abt india. Cant say abt pakistan much.
When you are so worried about Muslims in India, why don't you talk about Hindus in Pakistan? There are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. In contrast, the Hindu population has drastically reduced in Pakistan.
Thank you for raising this point. Discussions about minority rights and representation are important on both sides of the border, as they reflect the values of fairness and inclusivity that every society should strive for. You are very right and It's true that the Hindu population in Pakistan has declined over the decades, and concerns about the rights and welfare of minorities in Pakistan are valid and deserve attention. Shias, Ahmedis and other minorities in Pakistan have had dismal treatment for years in Pakistan. On the other hand, the condition of Muslims in India is also an important topic. The well-being and inclusion of minorities-whether Hindus in Pakistan or Muslims in India-are interconnected issues. They remind us that human rights and dignity should transcend borders. I hope you can realize that for us, highlighting one issue doesn’t mean neglecting another. It’s possible, and indeed necessary, to address both. By doing so, we can build a more compassionate and understanding dialogue rather than framing these as competing concerns.
I hope we can use these discussions to advocate for the rights and dignity of all people, regardless of where they live. After all, our shared humanity calls for mutual respect and a commitment to justice for everyone 🙏
Spot on regarding caste n old Stories
Thank you so much for your agreeing with us! Much appreciated 🙏
If Pakistan has to wait for BJP government to go to develop friendship then Pakistan has to wait for long time. Both BJP governments (Bajpai and Modi) try to make friendship with Pakistan but Pakistan did not respond in kind. The difference between Congress and BJP governments is that BJP is not following Gandhi’s policy of turning other cheek when somebody hit on one cheek. Instead every terrorist activity whose roots are traced in Pakistan BJP government is tightening screws on Pakistan. If Pakistan wants relationship with India, their establishment has to change policy of “death by thousand cut”. New India with not allow terror and talk go hand in hand.
I'm sure you'll agree that the relationship between India and Pakistan has been shaped by many historical and political complexities. Efforts at fostering friendship, whether under BJP or Congress, have faced significant challenges on both sides. Your point about the need for mutual respect and meaningful dialogue is well-taken-lasting peace requires genuine efforts and goodwill from both nations. I feel that the notion that terror and talks cannot go hand in hand is a very fair stance, as security and trust are fundamental for any dialogue to succeed. At the same time, it's important to continue exploring ways to address shared challenges and find common ground on a personal level. People on both sides of the border often wish for peace and cooperation, and it is their voices that can help guide leadership toward a more constructive relationship. Thank you for contributing to this important conversation with clarity and thoughtfulness 🙏
Caste system exists in almost every society in the world. Amongst Muslims as Ashrafs, Arzals, Ajlaf as categorization. Amongst Europeans as clergy, nobility, bourgeoisie and peasants. In India caste based or religion based discrimination does not exist.
Thank you for letting us know. There are reports by institutes like the Aziz Premji Foundation which show that caste and religion based discrimination are still experienced by Indians and Muslims in India. We hope that both India and Pakistan can improve the situation for their minorities 🙏
No question of Union...
Who wants one?
@KHANG-vr3ic the host brought it up.
Absolutely. There are may who believe that an EU like union for the SAARC might be a good idea.
@MukhbirNama EU like union with free movement and settlement of population groups in any part thereof will be a Disaster. Already this Idea's initiator, the EU, is decidedly moving away from it...thanks to immigrants from some countries known for spreading "Peace". There are popular movements against EU in France and Germany.., Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too have similar sentiments. Pakistan should seek a union with like minded nations of the Ummah like Afghanistan and Iran and then proceed from there.
@@MukhbirNamathose people who want union have no place in India and will be voted out. Although no one has even dared to say after the violent terrorist attacks we have faced. After 26/11 this is only a pipe dream very far from realism.
9:22 how do you explain the difference in the treatment of minorities in Punjab vs. Sindh? Sindh is famously more tolerant than Punjab - Sindh also maintains Hindu majority in some areas. Why so different from Punjab?
That is a very interesting question and I believe it deserves a full answer. The difference in the treatment of minorities in Punjab and Sindh can be attributed to historical, cultural, and social factors that have shaped these regions over centuries. Sindh, for instance, has a long history as a "melting pot" of diverse cultures, religions, and traditions. The influence of Sufism, which emphasizes tolerance, inclusivity, and harmony, is deeply embedded in Sindhi society. Sufi saints like Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai and Lal Shahbaz Qalandar have played a significant role in fostering a pluralistic ethos. This spiritual legacy has encouraged coexistence, allowing Hindu communities in Sindh to maintain their religious practices, particularly in Hindu-majority areas like Umerkot and Tharparkar.
In contrast, Punjab experienced a massive upheaval during the Partition of 1947, marked by violence and large-scale migrations. This traumatic event led to the near-total displacement of Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistani Punjab and Muslims from Indian Punjab, disrupting the region's historical coexistence. The resulting demographic homogeneity, combined with the post-Partition emphasis on Islamic identity, contributed to a societal shift where minorities became less visible and, at times, more marginalized.
Another key factor is the cultural and religious landscape. Sindh’s society has traditionally been more inclusive, with Hindus playing a significant role in its economy, politics, and social life. In contrast, Punjab has seen the rise of religious conservatism and political Islam in recent decades, which has, in some cases, diminished the tolerance for minorities that once existed in its pre-Partition pluralistic character. Sufism, which remains prominent in Sindh, emphasizes spiritual inclusivity and a connection with all humanity, irrespective of religious identity. Punjab, however, has been more influenced by urbanization and national-level political movements, making it more susceptible to sectarianism and state-driven religious nationalism. Sindh’s more rural and traditional social structures have, in many ways, helped sustain its culture of tolerance and coexistence.
In summary, the treatment of minorities in Sindh and Punjab reflects the impact of historical experiences, cultural legacies, and regional dynamics. While Sindh’s Sufi-inspired culture has fostered inclusivity, Punjab’s post-Partition homogenization and exposure to religious conservatism have led to different societal attitudes. Understanding these nuances is essential for fostering interfaith harmony and ensuring the safety and value of minorities across Pakistan. Thank you for raising such an insightful question 🙏
If india was not partioned than muslim population is almost 25to30% ,10%tribal ,5%sikh+christianand other ,within hindus 20%dalit
In electoral democracy hindu rightwing never rise
And we were a great nation
You're very right about that and similar ideas were expressed by Adeel in our podcast with him about Modi Ji not rising in a united India with a secular constitution. That's an exercise in revisionist history I would love to hear your views on. I do hope you get to see that too 🙏
@@MukhbirNama Then also Hindus constitute majority with 65% 😅 and if fertility rate of Hindus is higher than no one can replace Hindus 🎉
@MukhbirNama offcourse and the radicalism in Pakistan and Bangladesh should be undercheck by the composite culture of ajmer Sharif nijamuddin dargah and many more icon
And it has an spillover effect on Afghanistan because of khaiber pakhtun (frontier ghandhi impact)
Very wrong statement that the north indian hinduism is opposite of south Indian hinduism. They have the same concepts and mythology, but I'm some cases nomenclature is different. Thus kartikeya son of lord Shiva is called murugun in south India. A religious town in Tamilnadu is tenkashi which means Southern kashi. Kashi is Banaras located in North India. In fact, most Pakistani Muslims tend to be ignoramuses about Hinduism as a religion, culture and civilization which is very ancient, multi-faceted and extremely complex.
By using Indo-Islamic you have placed yourself second class to Indian OR Islamic. That's your confusion that will remain until some clear headed people come on the scene. Maybe one day you will actually be able to swallow that you are 100% Indian culture with a Islamic religion. The Indian culture gives you something and the Islamic religion took away some and gave you some. For you to decide what you lost and what you gained. As an intellctual and privileged, Dr Taimur, please dont say 'Imaan!!!'
If theese type of intellectual Pakistan have ,then khuda haafij h Pakistan
Aray bhai, khuda hafiz Pakistan ko mat kahien, humein bolein! Intellectuals ka kaam hi hai sochne ka, aur sochnay walay kabhi kabhi itna soch lete hain ke samajh hi khud confuse ho jati hai 😂 Lekin tension na lien, Pakistan intellectuals ke saath bhi chal raha hai aur kabhi kabhi unke bina bhi. Aap bas dua karien sab kay liye 🙏
@@MukhbirNama I am grateful from your balanced response and I know some good and unbiased Pakistani,well educated and well informed,but I really appreciate your patience 🤔how you kept on asking the real question ❓ I follow you with some great voices from Pakistan with respect like you,Shehjad and Syed Muzammil shah ,you people are doing a great job by influencing the positivity which exists on both side,God bless you, best wishes, keep it up
Thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words. It truly means a lot to hear such thoughtful feedback. We deeply value viewers like you who engage with respect and an open mind, fostering meaningful dialogue between communities across borders. It’s heartening to know that our efforts to promote positivity and understanding resonate with people like you. Shehzad, Syed Muzammil Shah, and many others are indeed voices of reason, and I feel privileged and honored to be listed by you as a part of this effort to bridge divides and focus on shared humanity. Your support motivates us to continue these conversations with patience and sincerity. God bless you too, and thank you for being a part of this journey. Best wishes to you as well 🙏
@@MukhbirNama thats what we the viewers can return for your extensive work,the feed back
53:26 All political leadership was created by Army...
All Bhutto, Nawaz, Imran Khan.
Army killed Murtaza Bhutto,killed Akbar Bhugti.
BETTER DAYS FOR PAKISTAN & MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD
Thank you for sharing your hopes and aspirations for Muslims and Pakistan. May these better days come soon 🙏
Ask him what tva suffix in hindutva? Wts meaning of tva suffix? Without knowing etymology he is talking about hindutva.
I'm afraid my own knowledge about it comes from commonly respected online resources such as Wikipedia and others. Could you please tell us your views on it?
Dnt knw why Pakistani r in delusion with Nehru. Nehru destroyed India. This economic might is rising with systematically change in policies. First demonetisation then gold collection in 2015 then dealing with Pakistan through arabs china through russia and usa through Israel. U may b ex faculty but u dnt knw abc of geopolitics and cash flow.
Because of the faulty foreign policy your every neighbour in sub continent except Bhutan is in China's court.
I hope you can agree that opinions about historical leaders like Nehru vary widely, depending on the lens through which we view history. Nehru's legacy, while debated (even within this podcast between the guest and the host) includes significant contributions to India's early development, particularly in science, education, and democratic institutions. However, like any leader, his policies had their challenges and limitations.
Your points about India's recent economic and geopolitical strategies are well taken. The policies you mentioned, such as demonetization and gold collection, have sparked debates about their impact on India's economy. Similarly, India's evolving relationships with global powers reflect a dynamic approach to geopolitics which Pakistan should emulate. My discussion with Taimur was aimed at exploring these complex issues from a broader historical and cultural lens. While we may not cover everything, the goal is to spark dialogue and learn from diverse perspectives like yours. I really appreciate your feedback and encourage you to share more insights to enrich these discussions 🙏
You're very right. There is a complex situation developing in the subcontinent that needs to be looked at carefully.
Wt type of book is this that every Muslim is misinterpreting it 😂 khadija was jew thats why she was educated and btw khadija and his brother warqa bin naufel created mauhmad.
I can assure you that for hundreds of years hundreds of Muslims scholars, theologians and writers have spent millions of liters of ink trying to interpret and reinterpret it. Must be a really good book :) You should see what Saahil and others have to say about it.
Before 1947, Nehru was bad guy "Hindu intehapasand" "Hindu Raj". After 1947, "Ye Nehru aur Gandhi ka india nhi raha" (as if u hv stakes anymore/Hv ur cake and eat it too).
This is like changing ur playing style from grass to Astroturf or 50 overs to T20 bcoz the field or rules of game has changed with the objective of defeating the "other" (kaffir) being constant.
That's an interesting analogy, and I can see where you're coming from. The shift in how Nehru and Gandhi are perceived-both in pre- and post-1947 contexts-definitely reflects the evolving political narratives on both sides of the border. It’s natural for historical figures to be reinterpreted based on current realities, but it often says more about the present than the past. As Dr. Taimur put it in this very podcast, it is important to contextualize history.
I love your cricket analogy :) While it's true that geopolitics can sometimes resemble a game, it’s worth remembering that these "rules" often come at the cost of human lives and shared histories. I hope you'll agree that the core challenge remains fostering mutual understanding rather than defining our goals solely in opposition to one another. Conversations like this-where differing views are shared-are part of that process. Thanks for contributing to the dialogue 🙏
Mukhbirnama channel bahut achha h. but subscribers are very less: why. IsThe channel is new?
Very new :) We hope to continue to win more hearts and minds as well as haters 😂
what People dont realise it was the policies of Nehru, that gave rise to hindutva in it's present form.
Congress's policies created a vacuum that was filled by BJP - just blanketing Hindutva good or bad is rather simplistic at best and myopic at worst.
Also, the progress of India is not so much due to Nehru (socialism) but PV Narshima Rao's policy.
It is true that Nehru’s policies, while laying the foundation for India’s industrial and institutional development, also had unintended consequences. His vision of secularism and socialism, though well-meaning, was perceived by some as alienating specific communities, creating a fertile ground for the rise of Hindutva in its modern form. The critique that Congress's policies left a vacuum eventually filled by the BJP reflects how political landscapes evolve based on perceived failures or gaps in governance. It’s a reminder that no single ideology or policy framework is immune to criticism or reinterpretation over time.
As for economic progress, you’re right to highlight the pivotal role of PV Narasimha Rao and his finance minister, Dr. Manmohan Singh, in introducing liberalization policies in 1991. These reforms marked a dramatic shift from Nehruvian socialism to a more market-driven economy, catalyzing India’s growth. However, it’s important to acknowledge that Nehru’s emphasis on education, scientific institutions, and industrial infrastructure created a foundation that later reforms could build upon. Both phases of leadership contributed to India’s trajectory, albeit in different ways and contexts. Your nuanced view underscores the need to move beyond simplistic binaries of "good" or "bad" and instead understand historical developments in their complexities. As was outlined in the podcast there are few good or bad guys there :) Thank you for enriching the discussion with this thoughtful analysis. 🙏
Genuine analysis of INDIA'
Thank you so much for saying so! We really appreciate your feedback and hope that we were able to present an unbiased factual position 🙏
Islamic civilization? 😂 this man dnt knw the parameters of a civilization and talking about civilization.
I can assure you that such a term exists in academic literature and is discussed at length 🙏
Civilization has nothing to do with religion . In fact, religion itself is part of that civilization where religion is born. Religion is a very small segment of any society. Civilization is regional and religions are creations of individuals who were part of that civilization but new religion in that society never created any new civilization. In fact , everything religion teaches and preaches were part of that society already .
Staring from Nehru to modi all Indian Prime have played their role in National building.Yes journey was started from Nehru and it is continuing and continuing.
You're absolutely right and have highlighted an important point i.e. nation-building is a continuous journey that spans generations and leaderships. From Nehru's foundational contributions in shaping India’s institutions and infrastructure to Modi Ji’s current efforts in areas like technology, infrastructure, and international relations, every leader has played a unique role based on the challenges and opportunities of their time.
I believe that India’s progress is a testament to the collective efforts of its people and leaders, each adding a chapter to the nation’s story. It’s inspiring to see how India has evolved, maintaining its democratic values while navigating diverse cultural, economic, and political landscapes. This ongoing journey of nation-building reminds us that progress isn’t the result of one individual or one era-it’s the outcome of sustained effort, collaboration, and a shared vision for the future. Thank you for sharing this positive and thoughtful perspective 🙏
@@MukhbirNamaNehru is criticised because Congress has glorified him a lot for votes.😂
Otherwise, every sane person would agree that Nehru did a good job at that critical moment.👍
But, Congress has portrayed him like some G0d.😂
I really don't understand why Pakistani Intellectual class is not good at studying correct history and religion of the sub-continent?
When Taimur said that the "North se South of India Jaane ke baad Hinduism alag hi present hota hai...like it becomes opposite to what Hinduism in north is.". So, I don't know what he saw in south of India, but what I can say is, he never actually read anything about Hinduism other than what the whole pakistan has read. Please I correct your knowledge of History and Hinduism. There's no difference between North and South Indian Hinduism, only customs and culture changes when we move from north to south.
Thank you for clarifying that. Are there no differences in terms of mythology or theology there? Perhaps Dr.Rahman was considering how certain characters or deities are viewed across cultures 🙏
Podcast with Shabbar zaidi Sir thanks
Absolutely. He is on the list and one day we'll get to do a podcast with him as well 🙏
This ‘Churan’ is mainly for the domestic populace of Paxstan but a lot of Indian’s are watching to know how bad India is portrayed there. Indian’s have to be mindful of the dangers of Goebbelsian influence of such podcasts, where a certain narrative is peddled deliberately and repeatedly. They think it’s the truth, but its ‘their’ perception of truth really, their truth. A sophisticated lie/half-truth repeated a thousand times starts to manifest like truth, influencing viewers’ thinking subconsciously.
Not many podcasters I hear, dares to discuss the real issues faced by Paxstan today - Islam and the reform of Islam. If at all Paxstan has to reimagine/reinvent itself, then they must address this thousand headed monster, which is extremist scriptural Islam. Even that proverbial ostrich knows it now but not their intelligentsia for obvious reasons😅
JNU among India’s world class universities?? I’m rolling with laughter. This is evidence that you guys want to push a certain agenda. Think about all the controversies surrounding JNU. Now, ofcourse, the government has cleaned up JNU, the alumni which comes out are capable to build India and not to break it. Communist student leaders were given out of turn admissions and some of them study there for 12 years😅 Organizing anti-Modi agitations, most of which were spectacularly violent, is what they do. Let’s feign for a moment that India has no IITs, IIMs, BITS Pilani’s, eminent private universities, IISC, AIIMS etc etc
With malice towards none, good wishes.
With love and without malice! Thank you for sharing your perspective and please allow me to address a few points you’ve raised. First, regarding perceptions of truth, you’re absolutely right that narratives can sometimes be shaped by repetition and selective framing. This is why platforms like ours aim to encourage critical thinking and promote nuanced discussions. The goal isn’t to peddle a narrative but to engage with complex issues honestly and transparently, even if it challenges certain perspectives.
As for Pakistan’s challenges, including religious extremism, it’s undeniable that these are critical issues requiring introspection and reform. Quite honestly Pakistan is desperatly seeking those reforms and should get on with improving things for the minorities there. At the same time, for a society like Pakistan discussions around religion and societal reform are delicate, especially in the polarized Pakistan that exists today. However, I still believe that they remain essential for progress and addressing such "thousand-headed monsters," as you put it, is a shared challenge across many nations, not just Pakistan.
On JNU and Indian education, it’s encouraging to see a passionate defense of India’s educational institutions. JNU, like any institution, has its controversies and triumphs. While it has been a hub for political activism and debate, its contributions to academia and public discourse cannot be entirely dismissed. India’s rich tapestry of world-class institutions, such as IITs, IIMs, and AIIMS, stands as a testament to its commitment to education and innovation. As you can well imagine, I would be hard pressed to find something coming to that level in Pakistan. I welcome your engagement and value constructive criticism since the aim is not to sow division or promote malice but to create a space for dialogue that bridges divides and fosters mutual understanding. Thank you for your good wishes and for contributing to the discussion with thoughtfulness and candor 🙏
BTW. If you like Chooran I would recommend taking a look at the podcast we did with Adeel. He really tells a good story about the Chooran :)
@@MukhbirNamaAdeel is gem of Pakistan. 💎 Please protect him at any cost.😂
As long as people like Adeel & Raza exists.😂 We Indian youth need not to worry about competition in international market from Pakistani youth.😂
You'll be glad to know we plan to do a podcast with Raza Rumi soon as well :)
@@MukhbirNamaAppreciate it 🤝
Host looks like muhsahid hussein son.but guest is very informative educated . Talks on logic
Can’t disagree more
It’s not caste based politics that’s brought glory to Modi
It’s rejoicing the past, embracing historical mistakes with grace, showing future path with some great policies on women empowerment, direct benefit to under privileged, focus on made in India, digital economy, entrepreneurship that’s bringing laurels to Indian economy
Issue with Muslims is that they don’t believe in sharing anything
…you have to earn respect and not command it
Diversity comes naturally to Indians
Nehru was a selfish person, it’s his policies that drove India to bankruptcy in early 90s.
Last 10 years have been game changer because of Modi’s India first policy
Thank you for sharing your thoughts so passionately. It's clear that you hold a strong belief in the progress India has made in recent years, and there’s no doubt that initiatives like women empowerment, direct benefit transfers, promoting entrepreneurship, and a focus on digital and "Make in India" initiatives have had a significant impact. Such policies do reflect efforts to strengthen the Indian economy and create opportunities for all. Regarding diversity, it’s heartening to see pride in India’s multicultural identity-it truly is one of the country’s greatest strengths. While opinions about historical leaders like Nehru may vary, it’s important to acknowledge the challenges of post-independence India and the foundational work that helped shape the nation, even as policies and priorities evolved over time. Thank you for contributing to the discussion with such clarity and conviction! 🙏
@ grateful for your revert. One can always agree to disagree
We wish our neighbours who should never have been partitioned from us all happiness and prosperity
Thank you so much! You are really kind for saying so 🙏
24:58 zara bataiye what happened to this Mandal?
Lol the utter misunderstanding of India today and this weird urge to attempt to monkey balance the record of the two nations is a disease that undermines so many so-called Liberal Pakistanis.
However hats off to the interviewer for clearly trying to steer the ship.
Thanks🙏 to jinnah, indo muslims 🤲☪️ are divided ➗️ into 3 countries, 20cr in bangladesh 🇧🇩 , 20cr in India 🇮🇳 , 25cr in Pakistan 🇵🇰. Total 65 crore 😮 . It would be total chaos if 3 countries gets merged into Akhand Bharat. what will we do with so many peaceful 🤲 peoples. Scary 😱 right. I am grateful to Md ali Jinnah ❤🙏 🙌. Thank you Quaid-e-azam jinu uncle 😂
Indian vote for bekow thing's in election.
1. Jobs
2 infrastructure development
3. Inflation
4. Govt programs
5. Caste but redusing day by day
6 state wise local issues
7. Last is religion
Thank you for clarifying. There are analysts who believe that caste still plays a part in voting patterns but perhaps they give this factor more importance than others 🙏
@@MukhbirNama india had 545 MP seats all caste and religious people stays in it hard to find which cast is high and low, I am hyderabad where muslim leader asaduddin as a mp from last20 years but I am Hindu,
Thank you so much for sharing that! It is heartening to hear that religion has little bearing on elections in India 🙏
Both are lightweight, not substantive discussions.
I sincerely apologize for our lacking intellectual abilities :) Not every conversation can be a heavyweight title match. Some are more like a casual sparring session at the local gym 😂 Maybe next time we’ll bring out the big boy gloves ;)
Hi Sir great fan of your work hence subscribed you. Love from Kerala 🇮🇳🇮🇳. Your guest is biased and vicious just like his name suggests.. Taimur was famous for his barbaric acts on our forefathers and sadly he is continuing his legacy by poisoning minds. Please ask him to read Advaita Vedanta that was established by Adi Shankarachaya which united us with north. Pooja practices are same across Bharat. India is not Secular because Constitution guarantees it. It is secular because of Hindu way of living. We have utmost tolerance and empathy towards other creatures and his leftist propaganda wont poison our mind.
Pakistani no matter how much educated have lots of prejudices towards India
Quite a few people will think that to be true and we have seen that perceptions between people in Pakistan and India can sometimes be influenced by historical, political, and media narratives, which may foster biases on both sides. However, it’s also important to recognize that it’s the willingness to engage with diverse perspectives and seek mutual understanding that truly bridges divides. In my experience, many educated Pakistanis are unbiased, appreciative and curious about India and its culture, often expressing admiration for various aspects like cinema, literature, and economic achievements. Similarly, many Indians hold positive views about Pakistan’s culture, music, and hospitality. These shared interests and mutual respect are where real connections can thrive. I believe that conversations like this one are a small but meaningful way to break down prejudices and focus on what unites us rather than what divides us. Perhaps some day you will be able to say that at least two Pakistanis do not have prejudices towards India 🙏 Thank you for contributing to this discussion as such exchanges are essential for building bridges.
Never think about securlism
Are you sure? I think Pakistan should really consider secularism as a path to walk on.
Why not u give visa free trvel pass to afgnistan. ... India se hi kyu krna h. Kyuki bure waqt me baap hi kaam aata😂 h
Janab baap bhi aur bhai bhi :) Sabhi ko aik doosray kay kaam ana chahiye 🙏
the guest isn't the brightest.
Well, not everyone shines like the sun or can be as bright as you :) Some are more like a cozy night lamp: subtle, steady, and quietly doing their job! 😉 But hey, every perspective adds something to the conversation, and that’s what makes it interesting. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts with multiple comments 🙏
34:51 Industerialization, and import substitution. These policies led to inefficiency, a lack of innovation, and a socialist mindset that persisted for decades.
Effects of Nehru's economic policies
Inefficiency
The heavy reliance on the state for industrialization led to inefficiency and a lack of innovation in the private sector.
Bureaucratic hurdles
Extensive licensing and government controls stifled entrepreneurship and delayed technological advancements.
Reduced global trade
India's global trade share was significantly reduced from 25% in 1947 to 19% in 1966.
Neglect of agriculture
Nehru's policies neglected agriculture and labor-intensive industries, which exacerbated poverty.
Slow growth
The Nehru development model led to low growth and poor performance of international trade.
Nehru's economic philosophy
Nehru's economic philosophy was based on scientific socialism tempered by humanism.
His goal was to eliminate poverty and want through growth and self-sufficiency.
IIT were existed allready, there are many references where Nehru created hurdles in Neuclear Research and Space Programme.
My question is what concrete evidence you have to protect your claim for Nehru Policies.
I'm sure you'll agree that Nehru's impact on India is continually debated but his economic policies should be understood in the context of a newly independent India. As noted in the podcast, the context is critical :) India was emerging from nearly two centuries of colonial exploitation, leaving it economically weak, socially fragmented, and industrially underdeveloped. Nehru envisioned a modern, self-reliant nation and focused on creating a foundation for long-term growth through state-led industrialization, self-sufficiency, and scientific progress. A key element of Nehru’s vision was industrialization. He prioritized the development of heavy industries like steel, cement, and energy through public sector undertakings (PSUs). Institutions like Steel Authority of India (SAIL) and Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL) are products of this vision, forming the backbone of India’s industrial infrastructure. While import substitution policies may seem outdated now, they were necessary at the time to reduce foreign dependency and protect nascent industries from global competition. These measures laid the groundwork for India’s eventual economic liberalization.
Nehru’s contributions to scientific and technological development remain one of his most enduring legacies. He established premier institutions like the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), and Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC). These institutions have played a crucial role in making India a leader in technology and space exploration. His emphasis on cultivating a scientific temper fostered innovation and broke the colonial mold of a raw-material-exporting economy. While some argue that Nehru’s policies led to bureaucratic inefficiencies, the license raj system was implemented to ensure equitable resource distribution and prevent monopolistic practices in a country with limited capital. Although this system later became rigid, it was initially a necessary measure to foster balanced development. Similarly, criticisms of agricultural neglect overlook initiatives like land reforms, community development programs, and multipurpose river valley projects such as Bhakra-Nangal, which laid the foundation for the Green Revolution under Lal Bahadur Shastri.
India’s reduced global trade share during Nehru’s tenure was largely a result of structural adjustments in a post-colonial economy transitioning from a raw material exporter to a self-sufficient producer. It’s important to recognize that this shift was inevitable as India worked to build its internal capabilities. Moreover, Nehru actively supported India’s nuclear and space programs, backing Homi Bhabha’s vision and championing ISRO’s establishment. His prioritization of peaceful nuclear energy aligned with India’s non-alignment policy and helped garner international support. While Nehru’s policies were not without flaws, they were a response to the unique challenges of his time. His vision of a self-reliant, modern India laid the foundation for many of the country’s achievements today. The infrastructure, scientific institutions, and democratic framework he built continue to serve as pillars of India’s progress.
Nehru’s leadership should be seen as a necessary stepping stone in India’s journey toward modernization. Constructive criticism of his policies is valuable, but I hope you know it is essential to acknowledge the context and challenges of post-independence India. Nehru’s contributions, guided by a commitment to scientific socialism tempered with humanism, remain a cornerstone of India’s development story. I really wish Pakistan had found her own Nehru during her early years.
@@MukhbirNamaNot at all. My study and record scrutiny tells a different story. Come to India and pay visit to Indian Archive.
I would love to visit India some day. Perhaps do a podcast with Modi Ji if the universe wants it :)
@MukhbirNama Most welcome, not an impossible task make a request to PM secretariate.
Thanks! I'll get started on it and hope It'll come to fruition soon :)
Why would he get death threats from India?
modi personally threatens him on phone calls
You would be surprised in terms of the diversity of opinion in India and Pakistan :)
Hilarious! I personally would be overjoyed to get a call from Modi Ji 🙏
Valmiki jinhone Ramayan likhi wo khud ekk dalit the. Agar aaj hum hindu log Shree Ram ko jante hai to wo sirf Maharshi Valmiki ke Karan jante hai or wo khud ekk dalit the. Dusri baat vedh me 4 varn the jo karm ke aadhar par the na ki birth ke aadhar par. Mauryan empire ke baad pushymitr shung king aate hai jo ekk kattar Brahmins thi. Us time par two Rishi the ekk ka naam tha Maharshi Patanjali jinhone yoga diya or dusre the Manu jisne Manu Smriti likhi 200 b.c.e ke baadh usme brahaman ne apne aap ko superiors dikhane ke liye cast system ko janm base kar diya or manusmriti ko us time law book bna diya jisko dr. Bim rao ji ne jala diya tha kyunki manusmriti hi cast ka cause bn gayi thi. Manusmriti koi religion book nahi hai balki law book thi us time ke king ki. Hindu main scriptures shruti shastra hai joki vedas and Upanishads hai. Aaj ke din koi varn nahi hai balki different communities hai jisko cast bolte hai like jaat, gujjar, rajput, chamaar etc yeh sub vedic time par name nahi the or na hi kisi hindu scriptures me inka name. Yeh sub cast nahi kabile hai jo apni community me marriage karte hai like jaat jaat community me , rajput gujjar apni apni community me. Aaj india me cast kuch hisho me hai baaki sub ekk sath school padte hai, khate hai pite hai koi problem nahi hai bhai. Chamar word 1400Ad ke baad aaya hai kyunki yeh chamade ke shoes bnate the jisme meat ka istemal hota tha isliye vegetarian hindu inse alag ho gaye north india me kyunki north india mostly vegetarian tha or jo meat khate the unke hath se pani bhi nahi pite the jo vegetarian log the isi karan yeh cast or untouched system bna kyunki wo meat se jute bnate the. Otherwise indian subcontinent me kewal satvahna or sungh hi Brahmins king huye hai baaki sub kshtriya, baniya,sudhra king hue hai like gupta empire baniya tha. Upanishads par Matrix movie bhi bani hai Hollywood ki yeh hindu non-dual religion hai yaha par god ko lekar maar kat nahi rahi bus cast joki after Maurya empire aayi hai uski vajah se problem hui jo ab dhire dhire kam ho rahi hao ❤
Thank you so much for sharing. Much appreciated 🙏
Indianisation of Pakistan?
Ye kab hua 😮😅
Btw, Pakistanis know little of India to make any analysis worth building a Strategy. And it's good news for us Indians.
Pak Army, Defense Forces and Intelligence knowing their Indian counterparts well and having a Defense Strategy shall suffice ✌🏻
You would be surprised! During the days of the news of love jihad in India there was a trend in the Pakistani media about the influence of Indian dramas causing the Indianisation of Pakistan. It is fascinating what keeps getting reported in local press 😂
Bhai ye Taimur Rehman dusara Stalin hai... Ye economic policy tab chal sakti hai jab dictatorship ho... Aur ab social media ke jamane main yeh possible nahi hai ...
Wrong interpretation of islam moulwi tell real islam this man is cunning
I really hope you can understand that NO ONE in the world has a monopoly on telling anyone what "real" Islam is. There are multiple interpretations as outlined in the podcast itself ranging from very liberal and progressive to hard conservative. Even within the same individual, such as Azad and Sir Syed, who changed their mindsets and interpretations of Islam as they grew and evolved 🙏
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Your guest understanding of india not updated.
Thank you for letting me know. I'll try and ensure that we bring some more guests which have updates suitable for your needs 🙏
Allah ka shukr hey ke Pakistan ban gaya. Aaj hum Pakistan majey sey gay(cow) ka gosht kha sakte hain. Musalmanane hind tau ye sapna bhi nahi dekh sakta.
But you pm says China is your iron brother 😂😂😂😂
Absolutely. Pak-China friendship is amazing :)
Bohat khoob❤
Now what is your road map after hearing this?
I'm not entirely sure we can present a road map? Perhaps some ideas as to focusing on education and improving relationships?
Narendra Modi khud other backward class se aate hai. BJP cast system ko dhire dhire khatm kar rahi hai or hindu ko ekk jut karne me lagi hui hai. Or ab bjp south india tak pahunch gayi hai like Andra pardesh or Karnataka, odisha etc. Bjp abki baar Uttar Pradesh me nahi jit saki lekin south india me jitna suru kar diya hai.
Do you believe this will change in the future or will it mean more seats for the BJP?
Are Taimur, show me caste system in Vedas, I will be communist like you. It's my challenge to all Islamist left liberal .
Thank you for letting us know. Is the caste system not a part of Hindu practice or religion?
Both sides taught the wrong history so that Muslim be Happy
Paksitan taught that Mugal bought development and they are owner of the India
India also taught that Mugal stayed back and they were not invader, so forget about Rana Pratap, Sanga all Hindu Kinds
India education minister Abdul Kalam Azad, who ensured Madrsa education matches with formal education
Islam is the cult for Humanity
Thank you for bringing up what is taught in schools in India and Pakistan. I believe Dr. Taimur also highlighted the same point 🙏
I am surprised that Dr Taimur has a good understanding of India still has inadequate info or understanding of many incidents in India. Wish he reads the documents and nit get influenced by news reports. This is not how scholars acquire info.
@@ddmaheshwari7059 u r too naïve
Thank you for appreciating Dr. Taimur. Please let us know if we missed anything or misstated anything and we'll be happy to acknowledge a correction 🙏
11:22 But still Iran is your Brother and Not the Indian 😢😢
Let it be
I wish Pakistan had better relationships with India as its neighbor 🙏
Sir thanks for your kind reply ,real islam preached by moulawis and appearing everywhere in world does not have any scope for different interpretation why you people not showing coureage to reply and argument in pakistan and zakir naik like well scholars you please search first why and when your forefathers converted because of sufii saints preaching or by force etc and about your dna donot flee from reality people have become now clever
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and I really appreciate your feedback. I believe that despite what the "moulawis" say there is always room for interpretation and even within the podcast there were people mentioned who took a different view. Even today there are individuals within Islam like Ghamdi Sahab who take a more nuanced view of secularism and its application to law. I think that Islam like any other religion has living adherents who will develop their own understanding of it to go with the times. Perhaps some day Zakir Sahab will not have the hold he does and is possible seen as a wrong number? 🙏