CMI from what I have observed have always stood on the authenticity of the Word of God and do good work. We must keep in mind that Biblical history is accurate. Therefore wherever and whenever secular history conflicts, it is secular history that is inaccurate and unreliable not the Bible. Any interpretation historically, scientifically or otherwise that does not line up with scripture should be regarded as false. Without our Saviour’s light this world’s authorities are simply blind leaders of the blind.
Yep. I suspect maybe TH-cam meddles with the likes and viewer count though, or something, to hold back their exposure. Same with Creation Magazine Live.
Excellent discussion! Thank you. This is yet another must watch/ listen again. And to click on the links for more information. Sheesh, you all are above and beyond. Now to fold and put away laundered clothes, in deep thought :) Blessings from Los Alamos, NM.
Is there a simple diagram anywhere, for those of us who think visually, of the Creationist view of Egyptian history? A diagram including best 'guess according to current creationist knowledge' of the main biblical dates, events and people, and the main pharaohs and Egyptian events.... from eg post Flood to Cleopatra. Thank you for your wonderful work, CMI.
Answers in Genesis has a good article on Shishak/Shoshenq, and they give some very good reasons why Shishak is not Shoshenq, including the fact that the names only sound similar when transliterated, but not in their original languages. They were mistakenly identified as the same person and a lot of other Egyptian chronology was based on that mistake, which is why it is hard to align some Bible chronology with Egyptian chronology. I recommend reading the article.
And I recommend reading the numerous articles we have on the subject as mentioned in the podcast! Such as creation.com/shoshenq-jerusalem and the indepth creation.com/strengthening-the-shishak-shoshenq-synchrony.
Interesting that Akhenaten's name comes up here. After learning of Akhenaten and his change form the regular Egyptian Pantheistic religion to Monotheistic (though not naming the God of Israel) worship of the Aten with the sun as his symbol and he following attempts to erase his name and image from Egyptian history after his death, has led me to think that he may have been the Pharaoh who suffered at the hands of God all the plagues of the Bible. No reason seems apparent for his change of heart. However, I am always shouted down By knowledgeables that Akhenaten was outside the accepted timeframe. Keep digging.
Akhenaten could not have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus for several reasons. In addition to being in the wrong time period (Long after the Pharaoh of the Exodus): 1) After 40 years in Midian, God told Moses to, "Go back to Egypt, for all the men who are seeking your life are dead." (Exodus 4:19; Acts 7:23). In the whole of the New Kingdom period (18-20th dynasty), there are only two pharaohs who reigned for more than 40 years. They are Thutmoses III and Rameses II. Rameses II (19th dynasty, around 1200 BC) lived 160 years later than the Exodus. The Exodus occurred in around 1446 BC, so this rules out Rameses II. Thus, Thutmoses III would have been the Pharoah before the Pharoah of the Exodus (Amenhotep II). Akhenaten only reigned for 17 years. 2) The final plague before the Exodus involved the death of the firstborn in Egypt. Thus, if the Pharoah was a first-born, he would have died in the plague. We also know that the next in line after him also cannot be a first-born child. This leaves us with Amenhotep II, who wasn't a first-born child, nor was his throne succeeded by his first born (Amenemhat). Rather, it was Thutmoses IV (who was not first-born) who succeeded Amenhotep II. Thus, we propose that Amenhotep II is the most likely candidate as the Pharaoh of the Exodus. We cover this in far more detail in the booklet, Tour Egypt. creation.com/s/10-2-664
Imagine a vast and well developed civilization of prolific and fastidious writers/record keepers (such as we know the Egyptians were) making absolutely no mention of a vast amount of wealth having been stolen from them, their entire army having been wiped out, and last but not least, having all of their firstborn family members killed in one night (regardless of age), and the absolute turmoil and change of family structures and dynasty's that would have caused. Now imagine a vast number of people wandering around in the desert for 40yrs, building all sort of altars, and carrying out all sorts of strange activities, slaughters, and sacrifices. Yet leaving absolutely no trace of themselves whatsoever in an environment absolutely ideal for preserving it. Now think about all the church and bible society funded archaeological expeditions that were sent out into the "holy lands" commencing in the late 1800s with the express purpose and intent of finding the proof/evidence to validate such biblical tales. Yet who found nothing of any consequence, and as a result had so many of their numbers abandon their faith. And now finally. Imagine people generations on who have never properly studied these things (or properly studied the history/evolution of the "book" that makes these fantastic claims) and yet are still naive enough to accept these stories as factual just because various cult members assure them they are. Even though for the most part the cult members doing the assuring will be just as ignorant of these things themselves.
Unfortunately, he most certainly is not. His revisions do damage to the accepted biblical dates. ABR have a good assessment here biblearchaeology.org/research/conquest-of-canaan/3196-david-rohls-revised-egyptian-chronology-a-view-from-palestine. Also, Rohl tries to dismiss the Shishak/Shoshenq connection which is pretty well established, because it destroys his revisions. See this brief article. creation.com/shoshenq-jerusalem.
I would disagree with the new kingdom. All Jewish and Exoduse evidence points to the middle kingdom. Watch Patterns of Evidance. It just might change your mind.
Egyptian dating is a house of cards! It causes discrepancies with known histories of other nations including Assyria, the Hittites, the Greeks and with the Bible
The use of the term 'Pharaoh' would seem to make it pretty clear which nation the Bible is talking about. Not to mention many other place names and geographic details that match.
Imagine a vast and well developed civilization of prolific and fastidious writers/record keepers (such as we know the Egyptians were) making absolutely no mention of a vast amount of wealth having been stolen from them, their entire army having been wiped out, and last but not least, having all of their firstborn family members killed in one night (regardless of age), and the absolute turmoil and change of family structures and dynasty's that would have caused. Now imagine a vast number of people wandering around in the desert for 40yrs, building all sort of altars, and carrying out all sorts of strange activities, slaughters, and sacrifices. Yet leaving absolutely no trace of themselves whatsoever in an environment absolutely ideal for preserving it. Now think about all the church and bible society funded archaeological expeditions that were sent out into the "holy lands" commencing in the late 1800s with the express purpose and intent of finding the proof/evidence to validate such biblical tales. Yet who found nothing of any consequence, and as a result had so many of their numbers abandon their faith. And now finally. Imagine people generations on who have never properly studied these things (or properly studied the history/evolution of the "book" that makes these fantastic claims) and yet are still naïve enough to accept these stories as factual just because various cult members assure them they are. Even though for the most part the cult members doing the assuring will be just as ignorant of these things themselves.
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CMI from what I have observed have always stood on the authenticity of the Word of God and do good work. We must keep in mind that Biblical history is accurate. Therefore wherever and whenever secular history conflicts, it is secular history that is inaccurate and unreliable not the Bible. Any interpretation historically, scientifically or otherwise that does not line up with scripture should be regarded as false. Without our Saviour’s light this world’s authorities are simply blind leaders of the blind.
It's a relief to the soul to hear people discussing history with due respect for both archaeology and Scripture. Blessings in Christ
This channel is so underrated thanks for your content
Yep. I suspect maybe TH-cam meddles with the likes and viewer count though, or something, to hold back their exposure. Same with Creation Magazine Live.
Thank you too!
Excellent discussion! Thank you. This is yet another must watch/ listen again. And to click on the links for more information. Sheesh, you all are above and beyond. Now to fold and put away laundered clothes, in deep thought :) Blessings from Los Alamos, NM.
Great content guys! Looking forward to the tour!
Us too!
The DVD " Patterns of Evidence: Exodus," was pretty intriguing.
It was phenomenal! A real eye opener.
Can't wait for Part 2!
Wasn't that Tim Robbins movie about a pharaoh? "The Shoshenq Redemption." Yes, I think I'm funny.
Is there a simple diagram anywhere, for those of us who think visually, of the Creationist view of Egyptian history? A diagram including best 'guess according to current creationist knowledge' of the main biblical dates, events and people, and the main pharaohs and Egyptian events.... from eg post Flood to Cleopatra. Thank you for your wonderful work, CMI.
Gary! Long time no see! I read and loved your book Alien Intrusion years ago.
Answers in Genesis has a good article on Shishak/Shoshenq, and they give some very good reasons why Shishak is not Shoshenq, including the fact that the names only sound similar when transliterated, but not in their original languages. They were mistakenly identified as the same person and a lot of other Egyptian chronology was based on that mistake, which is why it is hard to align some Bible chronology with Egyptian chronology. I recommend reading the article.
And I recommend reading the numerous articles we have on the subject as mentioned in the podcast! Such as creation.com/shoshenq-jerusalem and the indepth creation.com/strengthening-the-shishak-shoshenq-synchrony.
Could you please give the link to part 2? Thank you!
Do you count the Confederate President and the Union President as ruling concurrently?
That is what we are dealing with in Egyptian records.
Yes, there were periods where this was the case, but it is not the total solution when needing to revise Egyptian chronology.
Salute,salute lots of salutes.
Interesting that Akhenaten's name comes up here. After learning of Akhenaten and his change form the regular Egyptian Pantheistic religion to Monotheistic (though not naming the God of Israel) worship of the Aten with the sun as his symbol and he following attempts to erase his name and image from Egyptian history after his death, has led me to think that he may have been the Pharaoh who suffered at the hands of God all the plagues of the Bible. No reason seems apparent for his change of heart. However, I am always shouted down By knowledgeables that Akhenaten was outside the accepted timeframe. Keep digging.
Akhenaten could not have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus for several reasons. In addition to being in the wrong time period (Long after the Pharaoh of the Exodus):
1) After 40 years in Midian, God told Moses to, "Go back to Egypt, for all the men who are seeking your life are dead." (Exodus 4:19; Acts 7:23). In the whole of the New Kingdom period (18-20th dynasty), there are only two pharaohs who reigned for more than 40 years. They are Thutmoses III and Rameses II. Rameses II (19th dynasty, around 1200 BC) lived 160 years later than the Exodus. The Exodus occurred in around 1446 BC, so this rules out Rameses II. Thus, Thutmoses III would have been the Pharoah before the Pharoah of the Exodus (Amenhotep II). Akhenaten only reigned for 17 years.
2) The final plague before the Exodus involved the death of the firstborn in Egypt. Thus, if the Pharoah was a first-born, he would have died in the plague. We also know that the next in line after him also cannot be a first-born child. This leaves us with Amenhotep II, who wasn't a first-born child, nor was his throne succeeded by his first born (Amenemhat). Rather, it was Thutmoses IV (who was not first-born) who succeeded Amenhotep II.
Thus, we propose that Amenhotep II is the most likely candidate as the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
We cover this in far more detail in the booklet, Tour Egypt. creation.com/s/10-2-664
Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.
Where is the link for part 2?
Search the creation.com channel. It's there.
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Imagine a vast and well developed civilization of prolific and fastidious writers/record keepers (such as we know the Egyptians were) making absolutely no mention of a vast amount of wealth having been stolen from them, their entire army having been wiped out, and last but not least, having all of their firstborn family members killed in one night (regardless of age), and the absolute turmoil and change of family structures and dynasty's that would have caused.
Now imagine a vast number of people wandering around in the desert for 40yrs, building all sort of altars, and carrying out all sorts of strange activities, slaughters, and sacrifices. Yet leaving absolutely no trace of themselves whatsoever in an environment absolutely ideal for preserving it.
Now think about all the church and bible society funded archaeological expeditions that were sent out into the "holy lands" commencing in the late 1800s with the express purpose and intent of finding the proof/evidence to validate such biblical tales. Yet who found nothing of any consequence, and as a result had so many of their numbers abandon their faith.
And now finally.
Imagine people generations on who have never properly studied these things (or properly studied the history/evolution of the "book" that makes these fantastic claims) and yet are still naive enough to accept these stories as factual just because various cult members assure them they are. Even though for the most part the cult members doing the assuring will be just as ignorant of these things themselves.
Because David Rohl is correct!
Unfortunately, he most certainly is not. His revisions do damage to the accepted biblical dates. ABR have a good assessment here biblearchaeology.org/research/conquest-of-canaan/3196-david-rohls-revised-egyptian-chronology-a-view-from-palestine. Also, Rohl tries to dismiss the Shishak/Shoshenq connection which is pretty well established, because it destroys his revisions. See this brief article. creation.com/shoshenq-jerusalem.
Exodus was 1446 bc. Conservative evangelical scholars agree on this date.
Also agrees with ‘Patterns of Evidence’.
I would disagree with the new kingdom. All Jewish and Exoduse evidence points to the middle kingdom. Watch Patterns of Evidance. It just might change your mind.
Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1. They are comprehensive.
Yes, they align perfectly. Because the flood DID NOT occur in “2400 BC”.. it occurred around 3200-3300 BC.
Egyptian dating is a house of cards! It causes discrepancies with known histories of other nations including Assyria, the Hittites, the Greeks and with the Bible
The name "Aegypton" wasn't inserted into the Bible until 1000 after the fact. You're looking for the wrong country!
The use of the term 'Pharaoh' would seem to make it pretty clear which nation the Bible is talking about. Not to mention many other place names and geographic details that match.
Imagine a vast and well developed civilization of prolific and fastidious writers/record keepers (such as we know the Egyptians were) making absolutely no mention of a vast amount of wealth having been stolen from them, their entire army having been wiped out, and last but not least, having all of their firstborn family members killed in one night (regardless of age), and the absolute turmoil and change of family structures and dynasty's that would have caused.
Now imagine a vast number of people wandering around in the desert for 40yrs, building all sort of altars, and carrying out all sorts of strange activities, slaughters, and sacrifices. Yet leaving absolutely no trace of themselves whatsoever in an environment absolutely ideal for preserving it.
Now think about all the church and bible society funded archaeological expeditions that were sent out into the "holy lands" commencing in the late 1800s with the express purpose and intent of finding the proof/evidence to validate such biblical tales. Yet who found nothing of any consequence, and as a result had so many of their numbers abandon their faith.
And now finally.
Imagine people generations on who have never properly studied these things (or properly studied the history/evolution of the "book" that makes these fantastic claims) and yet are still naïve enough to accept these stories as factual just because various cult members assure them they are. Even though for the most part the cult members doing the assuring will be just as ignorant of these things themselves.