I did a 9200 km ride in 11 days on a 2019 F750GS from Montreal, QC to San Diego, CA, down the peninsula and across back to Cancun, Mexico - The bike performed beautifully and was an absolute plesure to ride 800-900 kms daily - I'm in love with the GS line and the 750 definitely lives up to the name
hey Alex, I am from Ottawa, ON. Can you kindly share your travel plan to Sand Diego? Planning to go this end of may 2023. I ride a Suzuki 1050 vstrom btw
I got the Puig Touring Windshield at 530 mm height and I got a clip on windshield extender (extra 180mm) from Amazon because I'm 6'2' and with that I have perfect protection@@bike01red
750 is meant to be a step up from the 310 as a second bike option. It's almost double the power and loaded with most of the features you want in a learning bike while not being overpowered. The 850 is a potential forever bike, the more off-road oriented offering whereas the 1250 is the touring option. They want you to progress from the 310 to the 750 to the 850 or 1250.
@@christianjohnsen105 That's a sound plan in my opinion. I started riding years ago on a 1100GSXR and moved on to heavy-weight cruisers. I haven't personally ridden a 750, but I have ridden an 850 and own a 1250GSA and while someone CAN learn on either of them there are better first bike options in my opinion. A rider needs to build up their skill set to realize the potential of the bigger bikes, I personally think that's why so many people struggle with them and then label the machines as not for serious off-road because they don't have the skills unique to ridding big and heavy motorcycles offroad. I'm not opposed to the idea of the 750 as a starter bike, many machines in the second bike category also make fine first bikes for people with more discipline and confidence. Good luck getting your hands on an 850, the local dealer hasn't had one on the showroom floor all summer. Haven't had an 1250 either, they are special ordering them and it took almost 6 months to get mine delivered. Maybe you're lucky and live in an area where the bikes are more popular and the dealers get more of a priority. 👍
I ride 310GS, more off road focus than this one, with light weight and high clearance. I am considered this one for long distance touring instead. Not a step up, but to fill the gap instead. Not progression as you suggest, 850 and 1250 are way too tall for me.
@@mattingray5651 That's part of of the skills comment I made above. I'm a short rider, 5'6 with a 30 inseam. I had to learn a lot of extra skills to deal with the extra seat height. The same basic skills most dirt bike people have to learn due to the ground clearance / seat height issues with dedicated machines. My advice is to not rule out taller machines, look into expanding your skill set to include techniques that will help overcome that extra height. Once you have that skill set it opens up every model of motorcycle on the market no matter how tall you are. Besides, who doesn't want to look cool. Short people skills on a motorcycle always look cool. 😎
I just bought a 2021 40th anniversary edition of this bike with 1,300 miles on it. I'm very disappointed with it. Primarily the motor's nature, it's like riding a single cylinder bike (thumper). The Bridgestone tires are also letting it down. Coming from a f700gs I put nearly 80k on this is less of a machine in my humble opinion. Going to local BMW dealer today to see if it's sick if not, this bike may find a new home tout de suite.
You’re also getting a dry sump engine, which, in addition to just being cool, helps keep the seat low and clearance high, with respect to a pure street bike. While compression is relatively high, my manual shows min 87 AKI fuel. That’s always been an attractive feature of the lowliest twin GS. The low suspension version was the big draw for me in getting back into a larger ADV (last one was the first gen-F650GS Twin). Had a Ural for a few years; never needed more clearance than that and it was the best ADV machine I’ve had. Have had the WeeStrom and greatly prefer the ergonomics and longer service interval on the midsize BMWs. Everything about the 750GS is just better than every comparable detail on other street-biased midsize ADVs, in my opinion. Didn’t want to spend this much again, but it’s worth it to me; and the low seat is only rivaled by the Street Scrambler, which is not nearly the bike (though it looks and sounds great). The 750GS is the best all-around package I could find for the money and height. Thanks for the objective review. It’s actually a really nice riding bike, but I’m biased because I’ve liked this platform since they launched it. This is my third one. And-Madstad makes a screen for it!
Thank you for the fair review of the 750. I have seen so many videos calling this a “beginner “ adventure bike, but it’s very capable of any adventure you want to do with it. I traded in my 1200GS on a new 2022 750 several months ago and could not be happier.
@@HardBoiledGregADV Good question 🤔 As I live in the UK there’s not many places to ride trails off road, so I opted for the 750. No doubt, the 850 in my opinion looks awesome with the spoked wheels and that 21inch wheel would make a lot of sense off road 👍 I used to also have an F800 and for me personally on the road, I prefer the 19 inch front wheel 👍
Interesting that you moved down to the 750 from a 1200. Could I ask what were your thoughts on that decision as I’ve been thinking about trading up to a 1250 GS from my 750. Why ? …. Bigger, more comfortable, HP, torque, shaft drive, and other features etc. do I need all that plus invest another $10k :) ??
I’ve had mine 3 years. The seat height is low, but the pegs are right where you want to put your legs, which is awkward and annoying, and tends to make it feel a little taller than it really is. On the move it feels very light, but pushing it around it does feel rather top heavy compared to a boxer-engined bike. Regarding the brakes, as they come they’re underwhelming 2 piston sliding callipers, but when I serviced and cleaned them after 3K miles the feel at the lever became much firmer. Fuel economy is excellent - I’m typically getting between 220 and 250 miles out of what is relatively speaking a small tank (half the size of an R1200GSA). Clutch feel and engagement can be a bit sticky and sometimes very low rev performance can be a bit shaky and prone to stalling. Standard seat is not very comfortable (and comfort seat is no better) but aftermarket seats address this. The adjustable screen mount from the 850GS/A is much more useful, if expensive to add. It takes the same Vario luggage as an R1200GS/R1250GS. The TFT is excellent, and all the controls are in exactly the right place (other manufacturers take note - don’t put cruise control on the right instrument cluster!) Electronics-wise the 750 only lacks Enduro/Enduro Pro modes, it has everything else from the 850. SatNav bracket is dangerous and annoying on the handlebars, buy the mount that puts above the TFT (you need a taller screen anyway as the stock screen is useless). It may seem like I’m complaining a lot but actually it’s the bike I’ve bonded with the most. No drama, solidly reliable, powerful enough, capable of long rides or local commutes, and for a BMW, relatively inexpensive, and a lot cheaper than the 850GS if you’re not going off-road. Good review!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience! I'm considering the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally pro and the BMW F850 GS/A but I only recently realized that the F750 GS and F850GS is basically the same bike
Commuting, touring, running errands, carrying passengers, riding on any kind of surface from street to dirt is just the thing! I am really glad to see more bikes of that kind.
@@CoreyBrass ah, yes, I know =) There're couple of others, too, such as G650GS, even though discontinued. But I am all for competition here! The more, the better. PS: It's a shame that BMW gave up on 650 Rotax engines =(
@@takeshikusao4674 The best Rotax 650s were in the xCountry, xChallenge, and xMoto. Those were all light bikes 156kg, and made 54hp. The older 2002+ F650 Dakar were good too. The Sertao never made any sense to me given its 47hp and shorter suspension travel.
@@defylifeadventure well, judging Dakar vs Sertao by specs, I see 48hp vs 50hp and 210 susp travel in both cases. To me, this does not seem too much difference. Even 48 vs 54 is only ~11%.
I tell you something that annoys the crap out of me is that when you go for a smaller engine, manufacturers instantly assume you are on a budget. I own a v strom 650 that im looking to upgrade not because i want a bigger engine, i find the 650 great on new zealand roads, I'm looking for something with more tech, i enjoy the fuel economy of my v strom, it has a big tank and goes a long way on that tank, i don't want a gas guzzler but I'm finding I'm needing to go to an 800cc or above to get the tech i want. Currently looking at a CF Moto 800mt because for the same price as a v strom 650 you get a bunch more tech with a proven KTM 790 motor. My point is that i don't want more power, i want more tech. Manufacturers could throw another $1000 at the bike and give me cruise control and ride modes and a nice TFT screen and i wouldn't blink
I think for me it would a top pick in this category. I like that you get cruise control and heated grips and a 3 warranty. In my experience BMW service is superior too. I've owned the V Strom 650, which was very reliable and fun, but I like the extra power on this bike. Once again top notch review!
And to all the guys criticizing the chinese engine, pls check where your iPhones come from first:-D and then check where most of the parts of your cars are made and then come back here to write some sensible comments.
Loncin make many engines, we use their single cylinder Honda copies in small forestry machines and we find they start and run rather well …..but…..they do have a limited life despite our stringent maintenance regime and sensitive engineering management. Where they fail is the use of poor quality, read cost saving, materials . They do not seem to have yet mastered or copied the Japanese manufacturers who pay particular attention, as best as they can, to ensure reliability. Trinorbsa scoffed the Japanese way back in time when they imported their little runabouts and then went on to win the TT with one….not literally! The Chinese are on the same track but much slower…..thankfully. There are issues with this 850, whether that is with BMW or Loncin is debatable but they are evident. Whilst we can replace a small engine in our forestry machines for between £350 - £500 the 850 I’m guessing will be £k’s but again it will be the profit margin for BMW that determines the cost and I’m not against profit. I am looking at two ‘bikes to purchase at the moment, the 850gs Adventure and the Tenere T7 World Raid. Both bikes advertise as being suitable for long distance work whether it be tarmac or desert, one has many bells and whistles, the other being basic other than legal requirements. The BMW gives you more for your money…..much more….the Yamaha silent assurance. Having ridden almost every GS model starting with the R100 GS PD to the current models you could say I’m a devotee but when they changed from Rotax to Loncin my confidence wavered. Will BMW look after the customer outside warranty? I had two gearboxes replaced in an R1100 RS three in a 1150 GS. On each occasion one gearbox was replaced outside warranty. Time will tell.
It may be criticisms, but it all based on inferior quality the badge, which has stuck with Chinese goods so these days when you say it’s Chinese, no matter how good it is people tend to think it’s inferior for which they are to blame so you cannot blame us for criticisms. Incidentally, not all their electronics and machines are inferior enough bad quality, but as I said, the badge has stuck with them. With regards to Apple and all those big brands please don’t forget that they are manufactured in China but they are supervised and wholly controlled by the parent company so they are not labeled as Chinese goods !
Partly agree with you. Yes, the bad reputation of chinese products is there. Also, don't you think BMW supervises the production and quality check process? I believe the chinese produce according to the BMW specifications, just like the iPhone. And finally, criticism is ok as along as it is justified and people have some proof. Majority of criticism comes from people who have never owned the bike. Shouldn't they just shut up? The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I've owned the bike 4 years. Just traded in for the new 1300gs. But I won't say a. bad about 750gs. @@SalimKhan-gb3sr
I have to admit I am a bmw, and honda fan, bmw is the bike all the manufacturers chase in the adventure line, no one comes close. they all try to give more power because they cant figure the rest out. honda is just honda, your getting a bike that just runs forever, and gives you just enough to keep the prices down. but, tons of aftermarket parts to make it great. little do people know that after buying all the upgrades, your spending the same money anyway. but, just fun to customize. people scoff at bmw because its bmw, they dont even know what they are talking about. bmw builds bikes to ride long distance, in all kinds of harsh weather. they do it pretty damn reliably too. you can load a bmw up with as much weight as you can handle, like a pick up truck. try that with any other adventure bike and see how it handles. try riding 2 up and cases full of luggage on anything else. not that you want to off road, but it gives you that option. another good review. me personally would not buy a gs750 for adventure, its just missing to much. I also wouldn't buy anything else in this class that doesn't offer more off road capabilities. I rather have a 300 or 350 just because I wouldn't be driving long distance on the smaller bike, so I rather be more off road capable. looking forward to see the little bmw review. I did get my 2022 Honda crf300 a few weeks ago, love that little bike, comfortable enough to ride all day. locally of course.
Problem with the Triumph is heat on you legs. All bikes must have cruse control. The 650 v-strom cruse is a no but the 1000 has it. NC750 from Honda is under powered by 20+ HP. This segment needs better quality motorcycles to chose from.
Man, every bike u talked have down and up. Nc750 is the most eficient bike ever, 30km per liter is possible. Also there is plenty of torque but the bike is not good for any off. 650 vstrom there is 2 models both are good bikes but they dont have much tech like nc. This bmw and the tiger are the most tech. Bmw have some quality issues on his 850 i dont know if affects this line, tiger is have the buzzy above 130kmH on sport mode because how the engine is configured right now.
Agreed. The mid- ADV market is nothing but compromises based on other platforms and underperformers. No serious efforts. This bike is overpriced by $4K in my opinion.
I definitely feel that Ian clearly provides the most in-depth and comprehensive motor cycle reviews. I don’t think anyone does it better than him. I have personally learnt a great deal about the different adventure bikes available from watching his excellent reviews. Thanks Ian from the land down under.😊
Great review, thanks! I bought one of these online from a BMW dealer (UK) 2 years ago during Covid having never sat on one. I'd been away from bikes for 8 years and this is my first ADV style bike (last bike before that was a Ducati 696) so I didn't want to get anything too big or powerful and I'd also never ridden a bike off road before. I paid £7200 for the bike with every extra (except the TFT dash) & 400 miles on it with a 2 year warranty (a total bargain IMO). I've found it to be a great bike and probably all the bike you'd ever need unless you want to do any serious off road (Most ADV bikes never see a dirt track anyway and I bought a CRF300L to smash up on the trails instead). I refuse to buy a car and I live in the UK countryside so this is my car, so I do the weekly shopping on it, errands, multi week tours overseas with the wife on the back. The suspension is great for bad country roads where I live(I've test ridden other road bikes recently and the suspension was far too firm for these roads). My wife is very comfortable on the back (she's got 34 inch legs) especially with a top box, my sister went for a nap on the back when we went touring. Power/speed/accel are fine, there's enough for easy overtakes and it easily hit 110mph on the motorway. I added a touratech windscreen and deflector to push the wind over my ADV helmet, works well. The main things I don't like are the seat height (I'm 6'2+) so it hurts my knees a bit after a full days riding (easy fix by getting a higher seat I guess). If I wanted to stand on the pegs I'd need bar risers for my height + wide footpegs. It's heavier than I feel it should be, feels a bit unwieldily to push about and no chance in my gravel driveway. Feels very heavy 2 up with luggage (i'm 75KG and wife is certainly a lot less than that). It's fallen in the garage and it's very heavy to lift (a 1250 GS is easier to lift as they don't fall flat). If anything it's almost too perfect and lacking a bit of soul, you'd get home with a smile on your face, but it certainly beats driving a car! I've put 12,500 miles on it and only had a minor issue in the first few weeks when it went into limp mode when i started it at home and I needed to call BMW. BMW could not have been better - a van collected my bike 2 hours later, a rental car was delivered to my home and my bike was returned 2 days later. I was updated almost hourly about progress. The service from BMW was so could I'll always own a BMW going forward. I've test ridden a few other bikes looking for the next bike but nothing really beats it as an all rounder or can justify the large expense of the upgrade. I tried a BMW F900XR (gave me smiles but surprisingly not really much more powerful than the 750GS despite the 30+ more hp and the suspension is too stiff for my bad local roads, less practical too), the RNineT Urban GS (lovely bike, loads of character but definitely not a do it all bike, more of a roadster) and the Moto Guzzi V85TT (interesting... but didn't get on with it and it'll end up broken down somewhere)
Thanks man for detailed review. I really like this moto. I am from France and was bit hasitating as it going little bit out of the budget. But it’s beauty I will go for it. And it’s really cool to see you bargaining skills haha
Thank you for the review, I got one a month ago, Im quite new to the ADV category but I'm pretty happy with the F750GS so far. I tried the F850GS but I'm only 170cm tall and I didn't feel any confident on that bike, maybe in the future when I'm more skilled, but with the 750 is a different story.
Good video. I really like my 750GS. It performed much better than I thought. I took it to CABDR because I was a bit afraid to take the 1250GS. As a short rider, 30” inseam, 750 was perfect. I outfitted with crash bars, bash plate, windshield, new gps, etc. and I could not have asked for more. I was also surprised I was able to keep up with 1200s & 1250s on the pavement. I ride my 750 more than my 1250 because it’s just easier to ride.
I'm in the same boat as you. I have a 30" inseam and would like the r1250gs because it's the "best." But I'm afraid I won't be as confident off road with it. I wonder if I'm putting too much value on having the "best" bike when I should value experience more. If I'm more comfortable on the 750 and I can save $12k to spend on adventures, then why not do that?
@@leodoingthings1706 It may be slower, but I really don't notice it. Also, I don't think you need to go any faster, so I don't think it make any difference for most people. I was able to keep up with even the craziest 1200 GS riders on the road. And you don't need to go that fast on the trails anyway.
Adventure motorcycling isn't about pretending to be a Dakar rally racer though. It's (or was originally) about distance touring across a variety of terrains. Think riding across South America for example, or down through Africa. This bike (with a few mods as all bikes would need) is capable of that.
@@holeephuk haha, I hear you on that. I almost lost the front wheel hitting a pot hole on at night on my old GPZ500 in Romania. Plenty of potholes on normal city city streets around the world big enough to swallow a wheel.
That’s soo cool about the coffee cup icon! For a second, I thought BMW had partnered with Starbucks. Alerting the rider that a Starbucks was in the vicinity when the coffee cup icon appears. 😂😭😊🌟🔥
That Tuareg 660 looks nice, but you'd lose the 3 year warranty and large dealer network. That would make me reluctant to take a long adventure trip on the Toureg.
@@Liberty4Ever well Yes, but for the price difference you can easily get the extended aprilia warranty (280$/440$ for one/two additional years) and still have enough to spare to get for example the heated grips and quickshifter. Regarding the dealer network you are probably right for most parts of the world... but here in central Europe I see just as many Aprilia as BMW dealers and I don't really plan to take a world trip ;) Reliability is of course a different topic... the BMW is certainly better in that regard. And then there is still the problem with the seat height. All that being said: I am quite biased, because I actually ordered a Tureg 1 week ago ;)
I never heard anything about fuel economy. Did I miss it? Anyway, in this day and age, fuel economy is very important and I'd like to hear that in your reviews. Thanks!
Looks like a good fit for a travel bike to put some highway miles on, I'm pretty much sold on it. With it having cruise control and decent riding utility, pretty much sold. Throw on a larger windshield, skid plates, bags and it would appear to have good value. Good in depth review :O
Great video, as usual. I own a 2019 F750GS and it's the first motorcycle I've ever owned. Some might say that it's not a good beginner bike, but I see it differently. There are street bikes with smaller engines that have a lot more power or that are geared more for speed. This GS has been perfect for learning. I also rode it in RAIN mode for the first couple of months to get used to the power delivery. Some things I will note are: the OEM seat is uncomfortable after an hour...get a Sargent or a Wunderlich. The windshield is worthless for touring, so you'll need something bigger. The quick shifter is excellent from 4th to 6th gear, but rough from 1st to 3rd. Downshifts with rev-matching is perfect in all gears. The specs for gas on my 2019 call for 87 octane, not 91, but that may be Euro 5 changes on newer models. I'm 5'11" as well, and I had to add Rok Risers to sit up comfortably. I also find the footpegs to be about an inch too high for my 32 inch inseam. Overall, I have no regrets for buying the 750 as my first bike and it does everything I need it to do so far. If I were to upgrade in the future, I would go straight to the R1250GS rather than the 850 as I don't believe the 850 would offer me much more than I already have, like the bigger engine and the telelever front suspension.
I bought f700gs in 2014 as first bike, brand new. Had same gripes as you. Seat after hour and half was unocomfortable, stock windshield was pretty bad. Front kinda dived under hard braking and stock exhaust sounded like prius. But overall it was really good bike, did everything right except when riding really fast, you could feel it wasnt really meant to do that.
I also had the F750GS (2021) as my first bike. Has done everything you described for first couple month. I swapped the windshield with Touratech and with shield adjuster for better wind deflection, I could comfortably ride highway with my visor up if I wanted to. Along with panier cases, bottom plate/engine guard, ditch the oem tyres for 70/30, moved GPS holder to above TFT screen and other upgrades. It has taken me to places and great commuter bike to dodge morning/afternoon traffic, the oem seat is definitely uncomfortable after an hour. As for the fuel spec, 2021 manual calls for 87, but I tend to pump 89. I can see myself holding onto this 750gs for another 4 years, I'm 5'9, so its a good fit for me.
Been a subscriber a long time and really love your videos but this one didn't do it for me. You alluded to a bit of the bikes history for just a moment which got me excited, but it was only surface deep. It would have been really nice to know how this compared to the previous generation f700gs, because there's a lot of controversy about that. In a lot of ways this bike is a let down for f700gs owners since we seem to have gone backwards in some areas. For example it weighs so much more, needs high octane gas despite not making that much more power, vibrates more at lower speeds, and the plastics seem much thinner than they used to be. It's the mid-size GS that is driving more than a few GS owners away from bmw, but that wasn't really mentioned here. It would have been nice to get your thoughts on that.
I had a f700gs but wouldn’t go for the new f750gs. The older bike was German made with a reliable rotax engine whereas the newer model is Chinese made with a Chinese engine. Nothing wrong with that but I’d have more faith in the German version.
I purchased this bike a few months ago and have been loving it. The f750gs only needs "regular" fuel in Canada anyways. The manual says 91 RON, which corresponds to 87 AKI. AKI, or (Ron+Mon)/2 is the number we see the at the pumps in Canada.
I would find it hard to pass by the V-Strom for this bike. I'm not a Suzuki guy, but neither am I a BMW guy. Still, apart from a bit less highway power, I have to imagine the V-Strom would be a better-to-live-with bike for a longer time. It so happens I have an old beater V-Strom that I added to the garage more or less as a lark, but I've hung onto it for two years now and it has some good qualities. I have no experience with this GS, so maybe I'm talking through my hat, but we did have an F800ST for a while and I believe it to be a direct ancestor of this BMW. We were not impressed by the F, apart from some nice mid-range power. The build quality and component quality seemed pretty ordinary, at best. The electrics left me cold, but then, I often make a lot of my judgements about bikes by their electrical systems. That, from a guy who rode a BSA twin for a number of years and owned a Velocette. (The BSA was pretty good for the day, the Velo was nerve-racking.) That V-Strom engine is a heckuva thing and I keep wondering if one isn't going to be my final motorcycle as my riding days end. And despite the cheapo suspension- we had a Versys 650LT that had vastly superior quality suspenders- and the traditionally lousy Suzuki sidestand, it's really a good bike. It doesn't have enough power to suit me on busy, fast Interstates, but apart from that, it's a friendly, cheap to own, reliable machine. I often liken it to a good Golden Retriever, sloppy, clunky, and endearingly cooperative. And, having owned three BMWs, I'm not nearly as enamored of the vagaries of owning one long-term. Just the view from here.
BMW should get rid of either the 750 or the 850. Make one or the other in two versions (900 cc Boxer Motor); one for Touring and another one for on/off roading. There is really no reason for both of these Models to exist at the same time. The windshield is a joke if you are doing more touring. No wonder after market companies are making a killing..
I'll never buy a touring bike without cruise control in 2022. Someone in Triumph really fucked up with that decision to restrict cruise control to 900GT and above. On that middleweight adventure note, I'm really looking forward to trying the Aprilia 660 Tuareg.
Great review as always. I haven't figured it out just yet, but you have a different way of reviewing bikes that most people on YT....really refreshing!!
The ‘different way’, imho, is pure skill. By far the best reviewer, and I only watch adventure bike reviews, on the entire net. Really clever, perfect descriptions, real world testing and he’s obviously a really nice pleasant guy.
This was an excellent review and much appreciated. I have a 2022 F 850 GS and my wife is considering a 750 GS. It seems like no other manufacture can compete with this price point while including cruise control, electronic suspension, quick shifter, heated grips, and more. Amazing package deal.
I've had this bike Triple Black for about 4 months now and I'm very pleased. In my opinion it's the best looking of all the midsized adv. Bikes . The power is plenty for me, it's very quick. The engine is silky smooth. My one complaint would be the rear brake lever is very low. But I'm getting used to that, but bmw really should address that. Overall I definitely would recommend purchasing this motorcycle. Thanks for the great review as usual!
Great motorcycle with great potential. If they make the F750GS and F850GS the best they know (better front suspension, maybe a slightly stronger engine and a few more little things), BMW is afraid of jeopardizing sales of the R1250GS, where I guess they have higher earnings.
And they end up losing sales to ktm honda and triumph. I feel triumph are playing the same game bmw do with the tiger sport 850 ! It's actually a 900 not an 850 and they detuned it for a lot less power just like this f750gs . The 850 sport should have been at least 110-115hp. Like the tracer 900 is. ( both 900cc triples)
I have had the F750 GS for a year now. great bike for an all rounder and touring. the only thing I would change is the front suspension as it is a bit too soft and dives on hard braking. I was thinking of putting Touratech progressive suspension to remedy that. also a bit of engine heat is noticeable in the summer. other than that its awesome
I thought about TT's springs as well. There is a better (more costly) option though and that's race tech with emulators. Not cheap but it'll give you more proper dirt worthiness. I may end up going this route along with spoked rims next year cuz I am not willing to give up my F700GS as I love the dang thing!
I have a height of 5.6 considering this version/F850GS(is allot more expensive with all the bells and whistles ) or a Tiger 900GT(the pro is that it has a lower weight by 20-30kg). This is my first adventure bike, i made allot of miles on naked's till now. Any recommendations/personal preference input would come in handy. Riding will be done on European interstates with occasional dirt roads. Thank You. P.S. Great review like always.
I have had the 750GS for two years and just over 7500 mile (12000km) I'm very pleased with the bike. I only have two issues with it, the frons suspension is a little to soft for me and dives on hard braking and then the cast wheel. I know at least two person who got their front wheel damaged on their bikes. Gravel roads in low or moderate speed is no problem for the 750GS but if you hit a bump or a pot hole in higher speed you may get some problem with the rims, it is probably a good idea to not air down when riding on gravel roads. Except from that it’s just smaller issues that easy to fix like windshield and size of the side stand plate and things like that. I have 29" in seem and I could almost flat foot the bike in standard height. I could probably manage to handle a higher bike with the correct technique. If cast wheel and softer suspension in the front doesn’t bother you, give the 750GS a try and test ride it. If the cast wheel and the suspension is an issue for you and you can handle taller bike, you should maybe look at a different bike.
@@danco6010 I’m glad if I can help someone to decide what bike to by. Off course I’m a little biased because I have the 750GS myself. But it’s important that everyone choose a bike that suits their needs. It doesn’t matter if it’s a BMW, KTM, Yamaha or a HD, In the end everything boils down to what bike that gives the biggest smile in your helmet😊.
This one has been on my radar for a while. Thanks for the great detailed review. Might be swapping out the bonneville soon. I've been torn between this and the Tiger 900. I've only got a 27" inseam, so finding one with a decent seat height and not giving up the ESA for low suspension version are all considerations I'm juggling.
I'm a short guy and went from a 2014 Honda Interceptor to the 2021 F750GS, extra low suspension and extra low seat...I did sacrifice the ESA...but as a guy working at one of the BMW dealerships I visited said...you didn't have the ESA before, so you won't miss it...touche🙂 And I do really enjoy this bike! (See you at Mountain View Motorcycle Campground😉🙂)
@@scottjayson72 If I rode solo I'd probably skip the esa but since we ride mostly 2up and loaded it's really convenient for flipping back and forth when I do ride solo. Definitely hope to see you up there this fall!
Just like your review of the F850GS: YOU SHOULD HAVE RIDDEN IT ON DYNAMIC MODE! it's FAR from underpowered and shares the same torque curve as the F850GS up until 7500 rpm which is well within the typical real world usage for people riding these bikes, so you get 95% of the torque with a little less top-end, which is a fair tradeoff...
I can't see buying a 390 after riding 650-1100 cc bikes. The 890 non R version even has a lower seat than the 390. The price and weight I guess attracts some casual non serious beginners or part timers. I'm just more of an "all in or forget it" type I guess. The Honda CB500X and KTM390 Adventure are bikes that you are just on the cusp of almost there but not quite..
Thanks for the detailed review. I would agree with most of your highlights. I own one and have put 14K miles on it. It is an excellent road bike with dirt road capabilities. I am 5' 6' and ride the regular suspension and a low seat. The low seat is not the best in comfort but makes up for it in adding confidence in handling the bike as I am lower to the ground. Most will complaint about the cost, yes it is expensive to acquire and maintain, but the fit and finish are top quality. I only had one issue with it so far and it was a minor gasket leak that was covered under warranty. I enjoy riding this bike each time I go out. Another competitor that was not mentioned is the Moto Guzzi V85TT that is actually well equipped for about the same price. One of the most appealing features of this bike is that it can accommodate a wide range of riders height. There aren't too many bikes out there that can make that claim. The engine has been out for a few years now and they should have worked out any issues. If you maintain it properly if should be as reliable as most other BMW motos.
Hi I ordered a 2022 and it will be ready for collection in August I hope 🤞🏻 that mine doesn’t arrive with a gasket leak Your bike should not have had this problem
You’d want to have some overhead though. I rode the previous gen F700GS. It was smooth at 65 mph, but as soon as you went higher vibrations set in (to pegs and handlebar). So while the bike could easily each 75 mph, it does not mean it’s a comfortable travel speed for hours. The 1200cc bikes still have their firm foot for comfortable touring.
Could you do a review of the SWM SuperDual X? Seems like a very capable, affordable newcomer based on a tried Husqvarna engine, a great alternative to the KLR 650 and DR650.
The first GS BMW ever made also was a 800cc, The R80GS. I had the R80/7 around 1989, that 800 cc engine was very pleasant in use. In 1995 I bought a bumble bee R100GS P/D. I still miss that bike.
Hey Ian! I know that you did this review some time ago but I just saw a 2022 GS 750 for sale at what I think is a good price. It has several upgrades including a Wunderlich saddle and Akrapovic exhaust. It only has 1800 miles on it with no damage. Do you think that this is a good buy, as I do? I'm not a hardcore offroad rider as I'm 74 years old....but we have a lot of dirt roads around where I live.
Nice review, thanks for that, Ian! Whether you ride the 750GS, the 850GS, the 900R, or the 900XR, you must be charmed of the BMW F-engine! It runs so smooth, powerful, economical and then, in combination with the superior BMW electronics I love this range! Also the first not-BMW sound and an unlike BMW smooth gearbox are strong pro's.
I saw your review on the 850GS and you said you wouldn't hesitate to ride it cross country. If I would upgrade the windshield on this 750 would you feel the same way? I'm looking at the 750 due to my short 30in inseam and the price.
still have mine 1yr 4 months now, when I had 3K miles I had already added 2 quarts + OIL...This engine eats oil, yes runs great , still should not need THAT much oil for such short miles.
Thanks for the review Ian. This is actually one of the bikes I was setting my sights on for next year so this review was incredibly helpful. For the minimal increase in price the F850GS offers loads more in terms of capability so I might just bite the bullet and go for that. One other difference between the 750 and the 850 and why the power is lower, the 750 has a smaller throttle body and intake. That matched with the detune delivers less power making it slightly more approachable for less experienced riders (not beginners). All in all, it was a great review and I appreciate the time and effort it takes to do this. Thank you and I look forward to the next one. ✌️
hi. now i have my first bike, a mt07 yamaha. i wuold buy my next bike and using it around my city (milan, italy) and short trips. i use all on the asphalt i thinks. the new f800gs 2024 is a good choice? or is bettere a bike than a tracer 9 gt yamaha?
Thank you for a thorough and objective review as always, really appreciate it. I got one of these last year, and enjoy it immensely. My riding is mostly on paved roads and occasionally on a dirt road, the bike is perfect for this and I am very satisfied with my purchase.😀
Another great review Ian, thanks so much. I did 120,000km's on my F800GS and then another 99,000km's on my F800GSA before changing to the Africa Twin. I only ever needed to change the stator on the first GS, otherwise never missed a beat. BMW's parallel twins are fantastic machines and for anyone who is starting out in the Adventure game these mid-capacity bikes from BMW are top-class. Now we need Honda to bring out something around the 750cc mark and that will be exciting! Great review!
@@HardBoiledGregADV Two reasons - although I'm not brand loyal a mate of mine owned an Africa Twin - one ride and I was hooked - colours, ergonomics, and after 11 years of BMW it was time to try something else. Secondly, when my 800GSA was stolen in Jan 2020 Honda South Africa had massive discounts on the 1000cc 2019 AT's - financially it was a no-brainer. I went for the 2019 ATAS DCT. All my mates said I went from a good rider to a very good rider offroad on the DCT....
As a long term owner of a F650GS and an F800GS (combined about 100,000 miles I guess), I only had a couple of gripes: 1) the stator will crap out repeatedly at about 25,000 mile intervals 2) the steering head bearings on the 800 went out 4 freakin times. Had to fight with BMW the last 2 times, but they covered it. Super weird. Other than that, they were super reliable and comfortable (once ergos were sorted - that seat - ugh.)
I have this bike.I have a request I want b.MW to make the buttons and the controls glow in the dark or light up.I need to be able to see the buttons in the middle of the night
Hands down the best and most objective (seemingly) review of any MC I have ever seen. Top work! In fact this review has helped me make the final purchasing decision. Thank you!
In India the Vstrom 650xt makes more sense interms of cost , service and reliability. The initial cost to own with taxes the difference between both is around $6000 . Then Suzuki has better network of service centres in India than BMW and has cheaper parts and service cost . I would love to get a F850gs but then currently I am inclined to Vstrom 650xt for overall cost and parts availability and reliability.
I really like your videos and how you are thinking about motorcycles. Most of moto reviewers have a way of describing subjectively a motorcycle. A pro rider feels differently a motorcycle than a normal rider. I own a BMW F900R and thinking to switch in future to an ADV bike. I would prefer to remain with BMW brand. I tried different motorcycles from this category and as a 5.7 short rider I can say that the KTM doesn't feel good between my legs. I would go for the F750 GS only that a lot of reviewers and sellers tagged this bike as a girl bike :)) but it isn't . Today you need a real bike, a 1250 gs :))
The F900R is a nice bike! The F750GS would be a step down on power for you. I'm 5'7" and the low suspension version of the R1250GS was really easy to ride at 32.1 seat height. See if you can find BMW Demo Day and take one for a spin. I'm going for the F750GS for now because of price.
Hi, you made some good reviews for different bmw models, please tell me how the gearboxes are compared to Japanese motorcycles? Is it true they are clunky, unrefined, unprecise? For me this detail means a lot, I like having a good, slick gearbox that I can enjoy. If this detail is missing, no matter how much I like the rest of the motorcycle, I can not accept a rough, agricultural gearbox. Thank you
I have the same concern. Not really BMW specific but I test rode a KTM 390 Adv. When I went back to my 1999 Kawasaki ZX9R, I discovered that damn, an old Japanese engineered clutch is so much smoother and refined compared to a new KTM. Didn't expect major advancements but couldn't imagine going backwards in time.
Ya VERY GOOD Point. I` Heard the Triumph 850Sport Has Good Transmission, aka Zach Courts Test@ Daily Rider, But Buzzy Eng. Above 6000rpm, i` Wish it had 40-tooth Rear Sprocket. Seems Like Every Bike Has FLaws.....
As the owner of the BMW F750Gs I can tell you, that the first gear has the typical clank, I guess it is because the engine is 854cc, but the rest of the gears are decent, although it is true that the Japanese ones are a little bit more softer.
I was looking forward to this! Now it's only the 850GS left. Thanks Ian. I can't decide between the three (750, 850, 850GSA) and the more I wait the more I think about competition. My guts tell me I should go for the 850GS, since the GSA is rather heavy for off-road, but, I'm afraid the extra touring capabilities (weather protection, mileage) of the GSA make it more suitable for my needs. What's your take? How worse is the 850GSA compared to the simple one in off-road ? Thanks!
Most people add after market equipment and get an 850GS that's as heavy as the 850GSA. I tour light but I want a very large tank, so I want a GSA with the racks removed. There isn't an aftermarket fuel upgrade for the GS, other than external fuel bottles.
im a new rider, been ridin a tw200 for about 6 months now. for the new rider its super tough to figure out whats-whats. i really appreciate your vids.. subbed..
Hi Ian, thanks for the great video again, always wondered why 750 & 850 exists. If I'm an owner of a CB500X, in comparison, would the 750 be a step up (certainl it is in HP) or only a more premium version of that type without major wins?
I rode both, albeit briefly, the last two weeks. I found the 500x good, likeable but a bit bland - or well-rounded coming from the opposite direction 😊 and in a sense similar to my V-Strom. The BMW is also there, suspension is truly impressive, so good it made the powertrain feel a bit crude despite the drive modes. And the electronic package is definitely premium as mentioned by @boatandski. Answering your question, I did not feel the step up was that significant. Suspension is great but if your current bike is setup right for you it will be equal. (If you have an occasional pillion and ride highway you will love the suspension and CC). But I had way more fun on the Honda Transalp 750 flicking through roundabouts. You should try that one too if you want to upgrade.
And here we go again,, Being a Vstrom PO I'd definitely recommend that machine,, w/ spoked wheels 👍💯. A simple suspension upgrade and your golden. Need more zoom,, just wring its neck. And smile😬. Number 2 would be the Triumph. The triple engine is epic. Ride safe everyone 🙏.
Love your video's, your review definitely played a part in my decision to get one of these bikes, I'm 5'7, live in the UK, off road is not much of an option anyway but for filtering, windy country roads, motorways & nipping to the shops in comfort it's the perfect all round bike, well for me that's for sure, absolutely love it.
Hello from Norway! Have to admit I was a little surprised when you did not mention the NC Honda 750X? From what I have seen of tests of the Honda, it is a bike for most challenges, or am I wrong here! Anyway, would you go for a Honda or BMW, if you were to compare them
Not a fan of BMW they rip you off really badly and stupidly in services, maintenance is really pricy bike itself is pricy and in reliability wise Yamaha is alot better and cheaper
I own a 2019 750 GS that looks exactly like the bike in your review and it has the premium package. I find it to be an outstanding all around bike with enough power and I think the brakes are great. One thing a lot of reviewers don't mention is the incredible balance this bike has, especially at slow speeds. Most times, I come to a stop sign and don't need to put my foot down. I get 60 mpg and I ride the Malibu mountains every weekend. I really like the way the F 900 XR handles, but the 750 is just so damned smooth on the road, I'm afraid I would regret it if I moved up.
Cant see how the 900xr is any venefit over the 750gs. My 2019 is still the bw tft. Wish it was color but power difference is not noticeable , unless your racing
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Could you please do a detailed review or talk more about Tuareg 660
I did a 9200 km ride in 11 days on a 2019 F750GS from Montreal, QC to San Diego, CA, down the peninsula and across back to Cancun, Mexico - The bike performed beautifully and was an absolute plesure to ride 800-900 kms daily - I'm in love with the GS line and the 750 definitely lives up to the name
hey Alex, I am from Ottawa, ON. Can you kindly share your travel plan to Sand Diego? Planning to go this end of may 2023. I ride a Suzuki 1050 vstrom btw
Impressive
Nice trip. ❤Baja
I am considering the F750GS to downsize...what windscreen do you have for touring ??
I got the Puig Touring Windshield at 530 mm height and I got a clip on windshield extender (extra 180mm) from Amazon because I'm 6'2' and with that I have perfect protection@@bike01red
750 is meant to be a step up from the 310 as a second bike option. It's almost double the power and loaded with most of the features you want in a learning bike while not being overpowered. The 850 is a potential forever bike, the more off-road oriented offering whereas the 1250 is the touring option. They want you to progress from the 310 to the 750 to the 850 or 1250.
i started with the 750 nad probably going to uppgrade to the 850 (or whatever new thing they make instead) for my next adv so i would say its working
@@christianjohnsen105 That's a sound plan in my opinion.
I started riding years ago on a 1100GSXR and moved on to heavy-weight cruisers. I haven't personally ridden a 750, but I have ridden an 850 and own a 1250GSA and while someone CAN learn on either of them there are better first bike options in my opinion. A rider needs to build up their skill set to realize the potential of the bigger bikes, I personally think that's why so many people struggle with them and then label the machines as not for serious off-road because they don't have the skills unique to ridding big and heavy motorcycles offroad. I'm not opposed to the idea of the 750 as a starter bike, many machines in the second bike category also make fine first bikes for people with more discipline and confidence.
Good luck getting your hands on an 850, the local dealer hasn't had one on the showroom floor all summer. Haven't had an 1250 either, they are special ordering them and it took almost 6 months to get mine delivered. Maybe you're lucky and live in an area where the bikes are more popular and the dealers get more of a priority. 👍
@@PetrolJunkie availability isnt that big of a problem here, local dealer has a couple 850's and 1250's ready as of right now, both demo and unused
I ride 310GS, more off road focus than this one, with light weight and high clearance. I am considered this one for long distance touring instead. Not a step up, but to fill the gap instead. Not progression as you suggest, 850 and 1250 are way too tall for me.
@@mattingray5651 That's part of of the skills comment I made above. I'm a short rider, 5'6 with a 30 inseam. I had to learn a lot of extra skills to deal with the extra seat height. The same basic skills most dirt bike people have to learn due to the ground clearance / seat height issues with dedicated machines.
My advice is to not rule out taller machines, look into expanding your skill set to include techniques that will help overcome that extra height. Once you have that skill set it opens up every model of motorcycle on the market no matter how tall you are.
Besides, who doesn't want to look cool. Short people skills on a motorcycle always look cool. 😎
I had a 800GS. MARVELOUS BMW MOTORCYCLE. A 1200GS was the best but is stands for BRING MY WALLET. At least $300 every time in the shop
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Can you please do a review of Yamaha Super Tenere
I just bought a 2021 40th anniversary edition of this bike with 1,300 miles on it. I'm very disappointed with it. Primarily the motor's nature, it's like riding a single cylinder bike (thumper). The Bridgestone tires are also letting it down. Coming from a f700gs I put nearly 80k on this is less of a machine in my humble opinion. Going to local BMW dealer today to see if it's sick if not, this bike may find a new home tout de suite.
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You’re also getting a dry sump engine, which, in addition to just being cool, helps keep the seat low and clearance high, with respect to a pure street bike. While compression is relatively high, my manual shows min 87 AKI fuel. That’s always been an attractive feature of the lowliest twin GS. The low suspension version was the big draw for me in getting back into a larger ADV (last one was the first gen-F650GS Twin). Had a Ural for a few years; never needed more clearance than that and it was the best ADV machine I’ve had. Have had the WeeStrom and greatly prefer the ergonomics and longer service interval on the midsize BMWs. Everything about the 750GS is just better than every comparable detail on other street-biased midsize ADVs, in my opinion. Didn’t want to spend this much again, but it’s worth it to me; and the low seat is only rivaled by the Street Scrambler, which is not nearly the bike (though it looks and sounds great). The 750GS is the best all-around package I could find for the money and height. Thanks for the objective review. It’s actually a really nice riding bike, but I’m biased because I’ve liked this platform since they launched it. This is my third one. And-Madstad makes a screen for it!
Thank you for the fair review of the 750. I have seen so many videos calling this a “beginner “ adventure bike, but it’s very capable of any adventure you want to do with it.
I traded in my 1200GS on a new 2022 750 several months ago and could not be happier.
I did exactly the same thing 3yrs ago and haven’t looked back 😎 it is simply an awesome bike ✊
@@Steve-xh1co would you opt for the F850 GS Adventure over the 750 if you had to do it again for the extra off-road capability?
@@HardBoiledGregADV Good question 🤔
As I live in the UK there’s not many places to ride trails off road, so I opted for the 750.
No doubt, the 850 in my opinion looks awesome with the spoked wheels and that 21inch wheel would make a lot of sense off road 👍
I used to also have an F800 and for me personally on the road, I prefer the 19 inch front wheel 👍
Interesting that you moved down to the 750 from a 1200. Could I ask what were your thoughts on that decision as I’ve been thinking about trading up to a 1250 GS from my 750. Why ? …. Bigger, more comfortable, HP, torque, shaft drive, and other features etc. do I need all that plus invest another $10k :) ??
I’ve had mine 3 years. The seat height is low, but the pegs are right where you want to put your legs, which is awkward and annoying, and tends to make it feel a little taller than it really is. On the move it feels very light, but pushing it around it does feel rather top heavy compared to a boxer-engined bike. Regarding the brakes, as they come they’re underwhelming 2 piston sliding callipers, but when I serviced and cleaned them after 3K miles the feel at the lever became much firmer. Fuel economy is excellent - I’m typically getting between 220 and 250 miles out of what is relatively speaking a small tank (half the size of an R1200GSA). Clutch feel and engagement can be a bit sticky and sometimes very low rev performance can be a bit shaky and prone to stalling. Standard seat is not very comfortable (and comfort seat is no better) but aftermarket seats address this. The adjustable screen mount from the 850GS/A is much more useful, if expensive to add. It takes the same Vario luggage as an R1200GS/R1250GS. The TFT is excellent, and all the controls are in exactly the right place (other manufacturers take note - don’t put cruise control on the right instrument cluster!) Electronics-wise the 750 only lacks Enduro/Enduro Pro modes, it has everything else from the 850. SatNav bracket is dangerous and annoying on the handlebars, buy the mount that puts above the TFT (you need a taller screen anyway as the stock screen is useless). It may seem like I’m complaining a lot but actually it’s the bike I’ve bonded with the most. No drama, solidly reliable, powerful enough, capable of long rides or local commutes, and for a BMW, relatively inexpensive, and a lot cheaper than the 850GS if you’re not going off-road. Good review!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience!
I'm considering the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally pro and the BMW F850 GS/A but I only recently realized that the F750 GS and F850GS is basically the same bike
I’m 69 years old, and my BMW R 1200 GSA is getting to big and heavy for my old body go handle. I might trade for this. Thanks for this review.
Thing to sell the 750gs being top heavy. Harder yo control at 71 yrs. But the 500x maneuvers easier at over half the price
Please sale your 1200 to me
Commuting, touring, running errands, carrying passengers, riding on any kind of surface from street to dirt is just the thing! I am really glad to see more bikes of that kind.
That unicorn already exists...it's called the KLR 650. 😆
@@CoreyBrass ah, yes, I know =) There're couple of others, too, such as G650GS, even though discontinued. But I am all for competition here! The more, the better.
PS: It's a shame that BMW gave up on 650 Rotax engines =(
@@takeshikusao4674 The best Rotax 650s were in the xCountry, xChallenge, and xMoto. Those were all light bikes 156kg, and made 54hp. The older 2002+ F650 Dakar were good too. The Sertao never made any sense to me given its 47hp and shorter suspension travel.
@@defylifeadventure well, judging Dakar vs Sertao by specs, I see 48hp vs 50hp and 210 susp travel in both cases. To me, this does not seem too much difference. Even 48 vs 54 is only ~11%.
@@CoreyBrass I have the 2022 KLR, but set it up for more off-road riding. This would be a nice asphalt/interstate bike.
I tell you something that annoys the crap out of me is that when you go for a smaller engine, manufacturers instantly assume you are on a budget.
I own a v strom 650 that im looking to upgrade not because i want a bigger engine, i find the 650 great on new zealand roads, I'm looking for something with more tech, i enjoy the fuel economy of my v strom, it has a big tank and goes a long way on that tank, i don't want a gas guzzler but I'm finding I'm needing to go to an 800cc or above to get the tech i want.
Currently looking at a CF Moto 800mt because for the same price as a v strom 650 you get a bunch more tech with a proven KTM 790 motor.
My point is that i don't want more power, i want more tech.
Manufacturers could throw another $1000 at the bike and give me cruise control and ride modes and a nice TFT screen and i wouldn't blink
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I think for me it would a top pick in this category. I like that you get cruise control and heated grips and a 3 warranty. In my experience BMW service is superior too. I've owned the V Strom 650, which was very reliable and fun, but I like the extra power on this bike. Once again top notch review!
thanks and agreed
And to all the guys criticizing the chinese engine, pls check where your iPhones come from first:-D and then check where most of the parts of your cars are made and then come back here to write some sensible comments.
Loncin make many engines, we use their single cylinder Honda copies in small forestry machines and we find they start and run rather well …..but…..they do have a limited life despite our stringent maintenance regime and sensitive engineering management. Where they fail is the use of poor quality, read cost saving, materials . They do not seem to have yet mastered or copied the Japanese manufacturers who pay particular attention, as best as they can, to ensure reliability.
Trinorbsa scoffed the Japanese way back in time when they imported their little runabouts and then went on to win the TT with one….not literally! The Chinese are on the same track but much slower…..thankfully.
There are issues with this 850, whether that is with BMW or Loncin is debatable but they are evident. Whilst we can replace a small engine in our forestry machines for between £350 - £500 the 850 I’m guessing will be £k’s but again it will be the profit margin for BMW that determines the cost and I’m not against profit.
I am looking at two ‘bikes to purchase at the moment, the 850gs Adventure and the Tenere T7 World Raid. Both bikes advertise as being suitable for long distance work whether it be tarmac or desert, one has many bells and whistles, the other being basic other than legal requirements.
The BMW gives you more for your money…..much more….the Yamaha silent assurance.
Having ridden almost every GS model starting with the R100 GS PD to the current models you could say I’m a devotee but when they changed from Rotax to Loncin my confidence wavered.
Will BMW look after the customer outside warranty? I had two gearboxes replaced in an R1100 RS three in a 1150 GS. On each occasion one gearbox was replaced outside warranty.
Time will tell.
That’s why my iPhone is acting up crazy lately.
shit happens :-D @@dont3222
It may be criticisms, but it all based on inferior quality the badge, which has stuck with Chinese goods so these days when you say it’s Chinese, no matter how good it is people tend to think it’s inferior for which they are to blame so you cannot blame us for criticisms.
Incidentally, not all their electronics and machines are inferior enough bad quality, but as I said, the badge has stuck with them.
With regards to Apple and all those big brands please don’t forget that they are manufactured in China but they are supervised and wholly controlled by the parent company so they are not labeled as Chinese goods !
Partly agree with you. Yes, the bad reputation of chinese products is there. Also, don't you think BMW supervises the production and quality check process? I believe the chinese produce according to the BMW specifications, just like the iPhone. And finally, criticism is ok as along as it is justified and people have some proof. Majority of criticism comes from people who have never owned the bike. Shouldn't they just shut up? The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I've owned the bike 4 years. Just traded in for the new 1300gs. But I won't say a. bad about 750gs. @@SalimKhan-gb3sr
I have to admit I am a bmw, and honda fan, bmw is the bike all the manufacturers chase in the adventure line, no one comes close. they all try to give more power because they cant figure the rest out. honda is just honda, your getting a bike that just runs forever, and gives you just enough to keep the prices down. but, tons of aftermarket parts to make it great. little do people know that after buying all the upgrades, your spending the same money anyway. but, just fun to customize. people scoff at bmw because its bmw, they dont even know what they are talking about. bmw builds bikes to ride long distance, in all kinds of harsh weather. they do it pretty damn reliably too. you can load a bmw up with as much weight as you can handle, like a pick up truck. try that with any other adventure bike and see how it handles. try riding 2 up and cases full of luggage on anything else. not that you want to off road, but it gives you that option. another good review. me personally would not buy a gs750 for adventure, its just missing to much. I also wouldn't buy anything else in this class that doesn't offer more off road capabilities. I rather have a 300 or 350 just because I wouldn't be driving long distance on the smaller bike, so I rather be more off road capable. looking forward to see the little bmw review. I did get my 2022 Honda crf300 a few weeks ago, love that little bike, comfortable enough to ride all day. locally of course.
Problem with the Triumph is heat on you legs.
All bikes must have cruse control.
The 650 v-strom cruse is a no but the 1000 has it.
NC750 from Honda is under powered by 20+ HP.
This segment needs better quality motorcycles to chose from.
Man, every bike u talked have down and up.
Nc750 is the most eficient bike ever, 30km per liter is possible. Also there is plenty of torque but the bike is not good for any off.
650 vstrom there is 2 models both are good bikes but they dont have much tech like nc.
This bmw and the tiger are the most tech. Bmw have some quality issues on his 850 i dont know if affects this line, tiger is have the buzzy above 130kmH on sport mode because how the engine is configured right now.
Agreed. The mid- ADV market is nothing but compromises based on other platforms and underperformers. No serious efforts.
This bike is overpriced by $4K in my opinion.
87 Octane gasoline is what the F750GS requires, per the owners manual, not 91 Octane.
I definitely feel that Ian clearly provides the most in-depth and comprehensive motor cycle reviews. I don’t think anyone does it better than him. I have personally learnt a great deal about the different adventure bikes available from watching his excellent reviews. Thanks Ian from the land down under.😊
Great review, thanks!
I bought one of these online from a BMW dealer (UK) 2 years ago during Covid having never sat on one. I'd been away from bikes for 8 years and this is my first ADV style bike (last bike before that was a Ducati 696) so I didn't want to get anything too big or powerful and I'd also never ridden a bike off road before. I paid £7200 for the bike with every extra (except the TFT dash) & 400 miles on it with a 2 year warranty (a total bargain IMO).
I've found it to be a great bike and probably all the bike you'd ever need unless you want to do any serious off road (Most ADV bikes never see a dirt track anyway and I bought a CRF300L to smash up on the trails instead). I refuse to buy a car and I live in the UK countryside so this is my car, so I do the weekly shopping on it, errands, multi week tours overseas with the wife on the back. The suspension is great for bad country roads where I live(I've test ridden other road bikes recently and the suspension was far too firm for these roads). My wife is very comfortable on the back (she's got 34 inch legs) especially with a top box, my sister went for a nap on the back when we went touring. Power/speed/accel are fine, there's enough for easy overtakes and it easily hit 110mph on the motorway. I added a touratech windscreen and deflector to push the wind over my ADV helmet, works well.
The main things I don't like are the seat height (I'm 6'2+) so it hurts my knees a bit after a full days riding (easy fix by getting a higher seat I guess). If I wanted to stand on the pegs I'd need bar risers for my height + wide footpegs. It's heavier than I feel it should be, feels a bit unwieldily to push about and no chance in my gravel driveway. Feels very heavy 2 up with luggage (i'm 75KG and wife is certainly a lot less than that). It's fallen in the garage and it's very heavy to lift (a 1250 GS is easier to lift as they don't fall flat). If anything it's almost too perfect and lacking a bit of soul, you'd get home with a smile on your face, but it certainly beats driving a car!
I've put 12,500 miles on it and only had a minor issue in the first few weeks when it went into limp mode when i started it at home and I needed to call BMW. BMW could not have been better - a van collected my bike 2 hours later, a rental car was delivered to my home and my bike was returned 2 days later. I was updated almost hourly about progress. The service from BMW was so could I'll always own a BMW going forward.
I've test ridden a few other bikes looking for the next bike but nothing really beats it as an all rounder or can justify the large expense of the upgrade. I tried a BMW F900XR (gave me smiles but surprisingly not really much more powerful than the 750GS despite the 30+ more hp and the suspension is too stiff for my bad local roads, less practical too), the RNineT Urban GS (lovely bike, loads of character but definitely not a do it all bike, more of a roadster) and the Moto Guzzi V85TT (interesting... but didn't get on with it and it'll end up broken down somewhere)
Thanks man for detailed review. I really like this moto. I am from France and was bit hasitating as it going little bit out of the budget. But it’s beauty I will go for it. And it’s really cool to see you bargaining skills haha
The triple black version of the F750GS is badass, but for the same money there's the Vstrom 1050xt ADV...
£8,540 for the f750gs. Can you really get a v-strom 1050 for that ? I make it £11,899
Get the Suzuki, all day long
@@chrishart8548 $13,240 for BMW, $13,990 for Suzuki w/ luggage here in my state.
@@bottomlinebassin2001 wow bmw is bad value where you are.
Egg. Zackly.
Really expensive vstrom 650.
Thank you for the review, I got one a month ago, Im quite new to the ADV category but I'm pretty happy with the F750GS so far. I tried the F850GS but I'm only 170cm tall and I didn't feel any confident on that bike, maybe in the future when I'm more skilled, but with the 750 is a different story.
Good video. I really like my 750GS. It performed much better than I thought. I took it to CABDR because I was a bit afraid to take the 1250GS.
As a short rider, 30” inseam, 750 was perfect. I outfitted with crash bars, bash plate, windshield, new gps, etc. and I could not have asked for more. I was also surprised I was able to keep up with 1200s & 1250s on the pavement.
I ride my 750 more than my 1250 because it’s just easier to ride.
is it really much slower than 850? is there any tune for 750?
I'm in the same boat as you. I have a 30" inseam and would like the r1250gs because it's the "best." But I'm afraid I won't be as confident off road with it. I wonder if I'm putting too much value on having the "best" bike when I should value experience more. If I'm more comfortable on the 750 and I can save $12k to spend on adventures, then why not do that?
I am considering the F750GS to downsize...what windscreen do you have for touring ??
@@leodoingthings1706 It may be slower, but I really don't notice it. Also, I don't think you need to go any faster, so I don't think it make any difference for most people. I was able to keep up with even the craziest 1200 GS riders on the road. And you don't need to go that fast on the trails anyway.
@@bike01red I am using the Puig windshield. Its the one with the slide finction. It works fine for me.
750 needs premium gas? My brand new 850 in the manual it says 87 octane… and it’s got more power with the same engine? 🤔
It runs on regular.
By far the best F 750 GS review I've come across. Thanks!
BMWs are judgemental lol !
So am I , no Chinese sourced engine for me .
Lol
I rather buy a Japanese bike for reliability!
When I see alloy wheels, this is not adventure bike to me ...just saying..another great video btw👍
Adventure motorcycling isn't about pretending to be a Dakar rally racer though. It's (or was originally) about distance touring across a variety of terrains. Think riding across South America for example, or down through Africa. This bike (with a few mods as all bikes would need) is capable of that.
@@defylifeadventure yes it is ,until you hit pothole properly..
@@holeephuk haha, I hear you on that. I almost lost the front wheel hitting a pot hole on at night on my old GPZ500 in Romania. Plenty of potholes on normal city city streets around the world big enough to swallow a wheel.
That’s soo cool about the coffee cup icon! For a second, I thought BMW had partnered with Starbucks. Alerting the rider that a Starbucks was in the vicinity when the coffee cup icon appears. 😂😭😊🌟🔥
Sorry for the strange comparison... but for THAT price, I'd take the Tuareg 660 and still have 1k bucks to spare for some extras.
That Tuareg 660 looks nice, but you'd lose the 3 year warranty and large dealer network. That would make me reluctant to take a long adventure trip on the Toureg.
@@Liberty4Ever well Yes, but for the price difference you can easily get the extended aprilia warranty (280$/440$ for one/two additional years) and still have enough to spare to get for example the heated grips and quickshifter.
Regarding the dealer network you are probably right for most parts of the world... but here in central Europe I see just as many Aprilia as BMW dealers and I don't really plan to take a world trip ;)
Reliability is of course a different topic... the BMW is certainly better in that regard. And then there is still the problem with the seat height.
All that being said: I am quite biased, because I actually ordered a Tureg 1 week ago ;)
@@chukku2175 - My comments are void in Europe, I was speaking from the North American perspective. Enjoy your Toureg! Best wishes!
I never heard anything about fuel economy. Did I miss it? Anyway, in this day and age, fuel economy is very important and I'd like to hear that in your reviews. Thanks!
the manual says 4.2l/100km, in real life it's about 4,6-4.8l/100km - at least in my case
9l/100km
@@summerforever6736 how come?
@@adinovak2352 was kidding
I own this model, it's my 4th season and the bike performs great. No need to change. I recommend it.
thanks
Some models of the F650GS also had the 800cc engine. I had one. It was really a quirky and troublesome bike.
I have heard good things about the Sertao thumper though...
Typical BMW vehicle....
@@davidc1961utube It was a good bike and engine, just always had electrical bugs, esp in the rain. Never quite got them sorted.
That’s too bad. Gotta work well in al areas, including wet. From the rain forest to the desert.
I just bought a 2021 F750 GS with Premium Package. All I can say is I'm blown away by the build quality. Didn't realize comfort could look this cool.
Looks like a good fit for a travel bike to put some highway miles on, I'm pretty much sold on it. With it having cruise control and decent riding utility, pretty much sold. Throw on a larger windshield, skid plates, bags and it would appear to have good value. Good in depth review :O
Great video, as usual. I own a 2019 F750GS and it's the first motorcycle I've ever owned. Some might say that it's not a good beginner bike, but I see it differently. There are street bikes with smaller engines that have a lot more power or that are geared more for speed. This GS has been perfect for learning. I also rode it in RAIN mode for the first couple of months to get used to the power delivery. Some things I will note are: the OEM seat is uncomfortable after an hour...get a Sargent or a Wunderlich. The windshield is worthless for touring, so you'll need something bigger. The quick shifter is excellent from 4th to 6th gear, but rough from 1st to 3rd. Downshifts with rev-matching is perfect in all gears. The specs for gas on my 2019 call for 87 octane, not 91, but that may be Euro 5 changes on newer models. I'm 5'11" as well, and I had to add Rok Risers to sit up comfortably. I also find the footpegs to be about an inch too high for my 32 inch inseam. Overall, I have no regrets for buying the 750 as my first bike and it does everything I need it to do so far. If I were to upgrade in the future, I would go straight to the R1250GS rather than the 850 as I don't believe the 850 would offer me much more than I already have, like the bigger engine and the telelever front suspension.
I bought f700gs in 2014 as first bike, brand new. Had same gripes as you. Seat after hour and half was unocomfortable, stock windshield was pretty bad. Front kinda dived under hard braking and stock exhaust sounded like prius. But overall it was really good bike, did everything right except when riding really fast, you could feel it wasnt really meant to do that.
I also had the F750GS (2021) as my first bike. Has done everything you described for first couple month. I swapped the windshield with Touratech and with shield adjuster for better wind deflection, I could comfortably ride highway with my visor up if I wanted to. Along with panier cases, bottom plate/engine guard, ditch the oem tyres for 70/30, moved GPS holder to above TFT screen and other upgrades. It has taken me to places and great commuter bike to dodge morning/afternoon traffic, the oem seat is definitely uncomfortable after an hour.
As for the fuel spec, 2021 manual calls for 87, but I tend to pump 89. I can see myself holding onto this 750gs for another 4 years, I'm 5'9, so its a good fit for me.
Been a subscriber a long time and really love your videos but this one didn't do it for me. You alluded to a bit of the bikes history for just a moment which got me excited, but it was only surface deep. It would have been really nice to know how this compared to the previous generation f700gs, because there's a lot of controversy about that. In a lot of ways this bike is a let down for f700gs owners since we seem to have gone backwards in some areas. For example it weighs so much more, needs high octane gas despite not making that much more power, vibrates more at lower speeds, and the plastics seem much thinner than they used to be. It's the mid-size GS that is driving more than a few GS owners away from bmw, but that wasn't really mentioned here. It would have been nice to get your thoughts on that.
Can we add a new category? BDR capable yes or no?
I had a f700gs but wouldn’t go for the new f750gs. The older bike was German made with a reliable rotax engine whereas the newer model is Chinese made with a Chinese engine. Nothing wrong with that but I’d have more faith in the German version.
Yeah, and as this is not a religious yt channel, you're comment based on faith is totally irrelevant here.
@@adinovak2352 I would also not buy a BMW with a chinese crapy engine, I have a Tiger 900 RP and everything greta son far.
@@eddy9260 wishing you all the best with your tiger, but i still don't know why you say 'crapy chinese engine'
I purchased this bike a few months ago and have been loving it. The f750gs only needs "regular" fuel in Canada anyways. The manual says 91 RON, which corresponds to 87 AKI. AKI, or (Ron+Mon)/2 is the number we see the at the pumps in Canada.
Nice one Ian...Great review as always :-) You getting a Ducati X in for a review mate :-)
It's so powerful that when he pulled off the road, he accelerated in neutral!
I will choose the V-Strom 650 over any BMW, ever.
Of course excellent review Ian!
For reals. What good is a 3 year warranty on the BMW if they don't honor it? Never forget the fork stanchion failures and BMW's initial denial.
That's your choice. We can all choose whatever bike we like. If someone makes a bad choice it's on them.
@@chrishart8548 Yes, ofc :)
Hi! I'm a V' Strom owner, but as Chris said people should pick what they like. To ride is all that matters.
@@mihaimihai9254 Very true indeed, it was just my opinion of which one i would choose :)
I would find it hard to pass by the V-Strom for this bike. I'm not a Suzuki guy, but neither am I a BMW guy.
Still, apart from a bit less highway power, I have to imagine the V-Strom would be a better-to-live-with bike for a longer time.
It so happens I have an old beater V-Strom that I added to the garage more or less as a lark, but I've hung onto it for two years now and it has some good qualities.
I have no experience with this GS, so maybe I'm talking through my hat, but we did have an F800ST for a while and I believe it to be a direct ancestor of this BMW.
We were not impressed by the F, apart from some nice mid-range power. The build quality and component quality seemed pretty ordinary, at best. The electrics left me cold, but then, I often make a lot of my judgements about bikes by their electrical systems. That, from a guy who rode a BSA twin for a number of years and owned a Velocette. (The BSA was pretty good for the day, the Velo was nerve-racking.)
That V-Strom engine is a heckuva thing and I keep wondering if one isn't going to be my final motorcycle as my riding days end. And despite the cheapo suspension- we had a Versys 650LT that had vastly superior quality suspenders- and the traditionally lousy Suzuki sidestand, it's really a good bike.
It doesn't have enough power to suit me on busy, fast Interstates, but apart from that, it's a friendly, cheap to own, reliable machine. I often liken it to a good Golden Retriever, sloppy, clunky, and endearingly cooperative.
And, having owned three BMWs, I'm not nearly as enamored of the vagaries of owning one long-term.
Just the view from here.
I generally don’t like videos of 10+ minutes unless is Ian with Big Rock Moto!
Please do the f850gs full equipped version pleeese
BMW should get rid of either the 750 or the 850. Make one or the other in two versions (900 cc Boxer Motor); one for Touring and another one for on/off roading. There is really no reason for both of these Models to exist at the same time. The windshield is a joke if you are doing more touring. No wonder after market companies are making a killing..
I'll never buy a touring bike without cruise control in 2022. Someone in Triumph really fucked up with that decision to restrict cruise control to 900GT and above.
On that middleweight adventure note, I'm really looking forward to trying the Aprilia 660 Tuareg.
Have an Africa Twin
I don’t like how top heavy and hard it is to move around. Really considering this or the KTM 890 or Tuareg 660.
Great review as always. I haven't figured it out just yet, but you have a different way of reviewing bikes that most people on YT....really refreshing!!
The ‘different way’, imho, is pure skill. By far the best reviewer, and I only watch adventure bike reviews, on the entire net. Really clever, perfect descriptions, real world testing and he’s obviously a really nice pleasant guy.
Much love to you from Bulgaria, Ian. I love this bike and I love your videos....and yes, I still love my g310gs.
This was an excellent review and much appreciated. I have a 2022 F 850 GS and my wife is considering a 750 GS. It seems like no other manufacture can compete with this price point while including cruise control, electronic suspension, quick shifter, heated grips, and more. Amazing package deal.
This one or the Honda Transalp?
I've had this bike Triple Black for about 4 months now and I'm very pleased. In my opinion it's the best looking of all the midsized adv. Bikes . The power is plenty for me, it's very quick. The engine is silky smooth. My one complaint would be the rear brake lever is very low. But I'm getting used to that, but bmw really should address that. Overall I definitely would recommend purchasing this motorcycle. Thanks for the great review as usual!
Was thinking about buying this as a first bike. Seems good for everything.
Leave it to bmw to time your coffee break! Hahahahaha
Great motorcycle with great potential. If they make the F750GS and F850GS the best they know (better front suspension, maybe a slightly stronger engine and a few more little things), BMW is afraid of jeopardizing sales of the R1250GS, where I guess they have higher earnings.
And they end up losing sales to ktm honda and triumph. I feel triumph are playing the same game bmw do with the tiger sport 850 ! It's actually a 900 not an 850 and they detuned it for a lot less power just like this f750gs . The 850 sport should have been at least 110-115hp. Like the tracer 900 is. ( both 900cc triples)
I have had the F750 GS for a year now. great bike for an all rounder and touring. the only thing I would change is the front suspension as it is a bit too soft and dives on hard braking. I was thinking of putting Touratech progressive suspension to remedy that. also a bit of engine heat is noticeable in the summer. other than that its awesome
I thought about TT's springs as well. There is a better (more costly) option though and that's race tech with emulators. Not cheap but it'll give you more proper dirt worthiness. I may end up going this route along with spoked rims next year cuz I am not willing to give up my F700GS as I love the dang thing!
@@DartWinger I was thinking of changing to spoked wheels too from VMX Wheels. But the front rim is half an inch wider but I think that should be ok
@@asatti I was too they're half the cost of what I am looking at and really not sure on their quality.
I have a height of 5.6 considering this version/F850GS(is allot more expensive with all the bells and whistles ) or a Tiger 900GT(the pro is that it has a lower weight by 20-30kg). This is my first adventure bike, i made allot of miles on naked's till now. Any recommendations/personal preference input would come in handy. Riding will be done on European interstates with occasional dirt roads. Thank You. P.S. Great review like always.
I have had the 750GS for two years and just over 7500 mile (12000km) I'm very pleased with the bike. I only have two issues with it, the frons suspension is a little to soft for me and dives on hard braking and then the cast wheel. I know at least two person who got their front wheel damaged on their bikes. Gravel roads in low or moderate speed is no problem for the 750GS but if you hit a bump or a pot hole in higher speed you may get some problem with the rims, it is probably a good idea to not air down when riding on gravel roads.
Except from that it’s just smaller issues that easy to fix like windshield and size of the side stand plate and things like that. I have 29" in seem and I could almost flat foot the bike in standard height. I could probably manage to handle a higher bike with the correct technique. If cast wheel and softer suspension in the front doesn’t bother you, give the 750GS a try and test ride it. If the cast wheel and the suspension is an issue for you and you can handle taller bike, you should maybe look at a different bike.
@@JoonesAdventuresMC Thank You
@@danco6010 I’m glad if I can help someone to decide what bike to by. Off course I’m a little biased because I have the 750GS myself. But it’s important that everyone choose a bike that suits their needs. It doesn’t matter if it’s a BMW, KTM, Yamaha or a HD, In the end everything boils down to what bike that gives the biggest smile in your helmet😊.
could use a more comfy seat. !
For sure. Make it like a 500x!
This one has been on my radar for a while. Thanks for the great detailed review. Might be swapping out the bonneville soon. I've been torn between this and the Tiger 900. I've only got a 27" inseam, so finding one with a decent seat height and not giving up the ESA for low suspension version are all considerations I'm juggling.
I'm a short guy and went from a 2014 Honda Interceptor to the 2021 F750GS, extra low suspension and extra low seat...I did sacrifice the ESA...but as a guy working at one of the BMW dealerships I visited said...you didn't have the ESA before, so you won't miss it...touche🙂 And I do really enjoy this bike!
(See you at Mountain View Motorcycle Campground😉🙂)
@@scottjayson72 If I rode solo I'd probably skip the esa but since we ride mostly 2up and loaded it's really convenient for flipping back and forth when I do ride solo. Definitely hope to see you up there this fall!
I have a 2001 F650GS w about 13K miles, still fires right up every time I need her. Good size for about everything. Thanks for the in depth review. 👍🏼
Just like your review of the F850GS: YOU SHOULD HAVE RIDDEN IT ON DYNAMIC MODE! it's FAR from underpowered and shares the same torque curve as the F850GS up until 7500 rpm which is well within the typical real world usage for people riding these bikes, so you get 95% of the torque with a little less top-end, which is a fair tradeoff...
I can't see buying a 390 after riding 650-1100 cc bikes. The 890 non R version even has a lower seat than the 390. The price and weight I guess attracts some casual non serious beginners or part timers. I'm just more of an "all in or forget it" type I guess. The Honda CB500X and KTM390 Adventure are bikes that you are just on the cusp of almost there but not quite..
Thanks for the detailed review. I would agree with most of your highlights. I own one and have put 14K miles on it. It is an excellent road bike with dirt road capabilities. I am 5' 6' and ride the regular suspension and a low seat. The low seat is not the best in comfort but makes up for it in adding confidence in handling the bike as I am lower to the ground. Most will complaint about the cost, yes it is expensive to acquire and maintain, but the fit and finish are top quality. I only had one issue with it so far and it was a minor gasket leak that was covered under warranty. I enjoy riding this bike each time I go out. Another competitor that was not mentioned is the Moto Guzzi V85TT that is actually well equipped for about the same price. One of the most appealing features of this bike is that it can accommodate a wide range of riders height. There aren't too many bikes out there that can make that claim. The engine has been out for a few years now and they should have worked out any issues. If you maintain it properly if should be as reliable as most other BMW motos.
Hi
I ordered a 2022 and it will be ready for collection in August
I hope 🤞🏻 that mine doesn’t arrive with a gasket leak
Your bike should not have had this problem
The f750gs is the best bike i have ever owned, easy to ride, and i just have a lot of confidence in the machine
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80 mph is more like 130 km/h. Perfect speed for the highways in Europe. In some countries this is over the limit, even.
You’d want to have some overhead though. I rode the previous gen F700GS. It was smooth at 65 mph, but as soon as you went higher vibrations set in (to pegs and handlebar). So while the bike could easily each 75 mph, it does not mean it’s a comfortable travel speed for hours. The 1200cc bikes still have their firm foot for comfortable touring.
Could you do a review of the SWM SuperDual X? Seems like a very capable, affordable newcomer based on a tried Husqvarna engine, a great alternative to the KLR 650 and DR650.
The first GS BMW ever made also was a 800cc, The R80GS. I had the R80/7 around 1989, that 800 cc engine was very pleasant in use. In 1995 I bought a bumble bee R100GS P/D. I still miss that bike.
Bumble bee $$$$
Hey Ian! I know that you did this review some time ago but I just saw a 2022 GS 750 for sale at what I think is a good price. It has several upgrades including a Wunderlich saddle and Akrapovic exhaust. It only has 1800 miles on it with no damage. Do you think that this is a good buy, as I do? I'm not a hardcore offroad rider as I'm 74 years old....but we have a lot of dirt roads around where I live.
Nice review, thanks for that, Ian! Whether you ride the 750GS, the 850GS, the 900R, or the 900XR, you must be charmed of the BMW F-engine! It runs so smooth, powerful, economical and then, in combination with the superior BMW electronics I love this range! Also the first not-BMW sound and an unlike BMW smooth gearbox are strong pro's.
I saw your review on the 850GS and you said you wouldn't hesitate to ride it cross country. If I would upgrade the windshield on this 750 would you feel the same way? I'm looking at the 750 due to my short 30in inseam and the price.
still have mine 1yr 4 months now, when I had 3K miles I had already added 2 quarts + OIL...This engine eats oil, yes runs great , still should not need THAT much oil for such short miles.
Thanks for the review Ian. This is actually one of the bikes I was setting my sights on for next year so this review was incredibly helpful. For the minimal increase in price the F850GS offers loads more in terms of capability so I might just bite the bullet and go for that.
One other difference between the 750 and the 850 and why the power is lower, the 750 has a smaller throttle body and intake. That matched with the detune delivers less power making it slightly more approachable for less experienced riders (not beginners).
All in all, it was a great review and I appreciate the time and effort it takes to do this. Thank you and I look forward to the next one. ✌️
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hi. now i have my first bike, a mt07 yamaha. i wuold buy my next bike and using it around my city (milan, italy) and short trips. i use all on the asphalt i thinks.
the new f800gs 2024 is a good choice? or is bettere a bike than a tracer 9 gt yamaha?
it would be great to here what you think of used bikes below 10000 for adventure riders
Thank you for a thorough and objective review as always, really appreciate it. I got one of these last year, and enjoy it immensely. My riding is mostly on paved roads and occasionally on a dirt road, the bike is perfect for this and I am very satisfied with my purchase.😀
Great review, but I can't help but hear Kip from Napoleon Dynamite in your voice
Another great review Ian, thanks so much. I did 120,000km's on my F800GS and then another 99,000km's on my F800GSA before changing to the Africa Twin. I only ever needed to change the stator on the first GS, otherwise never missed a beat. BMW's parallel twins are fantastic machines and for anyone who is starting out in the Adventure game these mid-capacity bikes from BMW are top-class. Now we need Honda to bring out something around the 750cc mark and that will be exciting! Great review!
So why did you switch from the BMWs to the Africa Twin?
@@HardBoiledGregADV Two reasons - although I'm not brand loyal a mate of mine owned an Africa Twin - one ride and I was hooked - colours, ergonomics, and after 11 years of BMW it was time to try something else. Secondly, when my 800GSA was stolen in Jan 2020 Honda South Africa had massive discounts on the 1000cc 2019 AT's - financially it was a no-brainer. I went for the 2019 ATAS DCT. All my mates said I went from a good rider to a very good rider offroad on the DCT....
I thought you were going to complain about the windscreen but it was just the opposite. Do you think the small screen is adequate for touring?
You answered all my questions. You provided helpful insight in so many areas that matter to me. Thank you.
As a long term owner of a F650GS and an F800GS (combined about 100,000 miles I guess), I only had a couple of gripes:
1) the stator will crap out repeatedly at about 25,000 mile intervals
2) the steering head bearings on the 800 went out 4 freakin times. Had to fight with BMW the last 2 times, but they covered it. Super weird.
Other than that, they were super reliable and comfortable (once ergos were sorted - that seat - ugh.)
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I have this bike.I have a request I want b.MW to make the buttons and the controls glow in the dark or light up.I need to be able to see the buttons in the middle of the night
Hands down the best and most objective (seemingly) review of any MC I have ever seen. Top work! In fact this review has helped me make the final purchasing decision.
Thank you!
Wow, thanks!
Buddy of mine still rides a DAKAR. Great bike.
In India the Vstrom 650xt makes more sense interms of cost , service and reliability. The initial cost to own with taxes the difference between both is around $6000 . Then Suzuki has better network of service centres in India than BMW and has cheaper parts and service cost .
I would love to get a F850gs but then currently I am inclined to Vstrom 650xt for overall cost and parts availability and reliability.
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maybe someone could explain why they would detune a bike for lower power? Makes no sense to me.
Anyone knows if this engine can be unlocked to full 850 power since it is the same unit? Assuming Germans did it via electronics only
It cannot without major changes, including throttle body change.
Many thanks. Have watched this several times and have just ordered a 2020 model.
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I really like your videos and how you are thinking about motorcycles. Most of moto reviewers have a way of describing subjectively a motorcycle. A pro rider feels differently a motorcycle than a normal rider.
I own a BMW F900R and thinking to switch in future to an ADV bike. I would prefer to remain with BMW brand. I tried different motorcycles from this category and as a 5.7 short rider I can say that the KTM doesn't feel good between my legs. I would go for the F750 GS only that a lot of reviewers and sellers tagged this bike as a girl bike :)) but it isn't . Today you need a real bike, a 1250 gs :))
The F900R is a nice bike! The F750GS would be a step down on power for you. I'm 5'7" and the low suspension version of the R1250GS was really easy to ride at 32.1 seat height. See if you can find BMW Demo Day and take one for a spin. I'm going for the F750GS for now because of price.
Hi, you made some good reviews for different bmw models, please tell me how the gearboxes are compared to Japanese motorcycles? Is it true they are clunky, unrefined, unprecise? For me this detail means a lot, I like having a good, slick gearbox that I can enjoy. If this detail is missing, no matter how much I like the rest of the motorcycle, I can not accept a rough, agricultural gearbox. Thank you
I have the same concern. Not really BMW specific but I test rode a KTM 390 Adv. When I went back to my 1999 Kawasaki ZX9R, I discovered that damn, an old Japanese engineered clutch is so much smoother and refined compared to a new KTM. Didn't expect major advancements but couldn't imagine going backwards in time.
Ya VERY GOOD Point. I` Heard the Triumph 850Sport Has Good Transmission, aka Zach Courts Test@ Daily Rider, But Buzzy Eng. Above 6000rpm, i` Wish it had 40-tooth Rear Sprocket. Seems Like Every Bike Has FLaws.....
I have a 2022 750GS, traded in a Suzuki for it. I will say the gearbox on the BMW is as good or better than the Suzuki.
As the owner of the BMW F750Gs I can tell you, that the first gear has the typical clank, I guess it is because the engine is 854cc, but the rest of the gears are decent, although it is true that the Japanese ones are a little bit more softer.
I was looking forward to this! Now it's only the 850GS left. Thanks Ian. I can't decide between the three (750, 850, 850GSA) and the more I wait the more I think about competition. My guts tell me I should go for the 850GS, since the GSA is rather heavy for off-road, but, I'm afraid the extra touring capabilities (weather protection, mileage) of the GSA make it more suitable for my needs. What's your take? How worse is the 850GSA compared to the simple one in off-road ? Thanks!
Most people add after market equipment and get an 850GS that's as heavy as the 850GSA. I tour light but I want a very large tank, so I want a GSA with the racks removed. There isn't an aftermarket fuel upgrade for the GS, other than external fuel bottles.
If it runs out of steam atg 7000 rpm how is it capable off 117 mph?
im a new rider, been ridin a tw200 for about 6 months now. for the new rider its super tough to figure out whats-whats. i really appreciate your vids.. subbed..
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I’m 6’5 … would this bike be uncomfortable for me ?
Hi Ian, thanks for the great video again, always wondered why 750 & 850 exists. If I'm an owner of a CB500X, in comparison, would the 750 be a step up (certainl it is in HP) or only a more premium version of that type without major wins?
Yes it will be. Better brakes, suspension... Its not all about power 🙂
With the F750GS you gain cruise control, heated grips, keyless start, and that BMW dash! Also, the CB500X has 50 HP compared to 77 HP on the F750GS.
I rode both, albeit briefly, the last two weeks. I found the 500x good, likeable but a bit bland - or well-rounded coming from the opposite direction 😊 and in a sense similar to my V-Strom. The BMW is also there, suspension is truly impressive, so good it made the powertrain feel a bit crude despite the drive modes. And the electronic package is definitely premium as mentioned by @boatandski. Answering your question, I did not feel the step up was that significant. Suspension is great but if your current bike is setup right for you it will be equal. (If you have an occasional pillion and ride highway you will love the suspension and CC). But I had way more fun on the Honda Transalp 750 flicking through roundabouts. You should try that one too if you want to upgrade.
Oh the comments were a year old…. What did you decide on with the CB500x?
And here we go again,,
Being a Vstrom PO I'd definitely recommend that machine,, w/ spoked wheels 👍💯.
A simple suspension upgrade and your golden. Need more zoom,, just wring its neck. And smile😬.
Number 2 would be the Triumph. The triple engine is epic.
Ride safe everyone 🙏.
Love your video's, your review definitely played a part in my decision to get one of these bikes, I'm 5'7, live in the UK, off road is not much of an option anyway but for filtering, windy country roads, motorways & nipping to the shops in comfort it's the perfect all round bike, well for me that's for sure, absolutely love it.
Glad I could help
and the Africa twin is not much more than the 750 GS......just sayin
I got my 2020 for $10.5K
This BMW isn't worth anything close to $13K.
Hello from Norway! Have to admit I was a little surprised when you did not mention the NC Honda 750X? From what I have seen of tests of the Honda, it is a bike for most challenges, or am I wrong here! Anyway, would you go for a Honda or BMW, if you were to compare them
ride honda first, and then test ride f750 especially in the Dynamic mode. I bet you won't come back for honda :-)
Just take Japanese Bike for every day.... 😎😎😎
@@nomadenview if only they changed the design
Not a fan of BMW they rip you off really badly and stupidly in services, maintenance is really pricy bike itself is pricy and in reliability wise Yamaha is alot better and cheaper
Horses for courses but yeah Yahama make lovely machines too.
I own a 2019 750 GS that looks exactly like the bike in your review and it has the premium package. I find it to be an outstanding all around bike with enough power and I think the brakes are great. One thing a lot of reviewers don't mention is the incredible balance this bike has, especially at slow speeds. Most times, I come to a stop sign and don't need to put my foot down. I get 60 mpg and I ride the Malibu mountains every weekend. I really like the way the F 900 XR handles, but the 750 is just so damned smooth on the road, I'm afraid I would regret it if I moved up.
Cant see how the 900xr is any venefit over the 750gs. My 2019 is still the bw tft. Wish it was color but power difference is not noticeable , unless your racing
Would disagree. Very top heavy. Try turning too sharp , - its sideways. Maybe I'm weak, where i can control the 500x easier