7:01 The one time Natalie is rationally upset. If I were a doctor and another wanted my patient for spare parts, I'd have the doctor asking to do it themselves.
The Chicago Official channel has this story uploaded but cuts the part where Connor asked Natalie to mention organ donation, so people were ripping into her as per usual.
Knowing the for profit nature of the system behind the choices makes me question the idea of being labeled a Donor. Cant help but wonder if thats part of why my mother didnt make 50. But hey, be happy someone can see better now with parts of her eyes.. and what ever else T.H.E.Y. did with her other parts.
@@keensweepmy father in law recently had a double lung transplant and is now able to live without an oxygen tank following behind him. His lips turned blue just from walking to the porch. We had to use a wheelchair just to get him places on vacation. He was miserable. Now he can BREATHE again and doesn’t even need an oxygen mask. He would’ve died in less than a year otherwise.
If you were a doctor you’d only be asking if the patient were brain dead. That’s the only way to be a donor. You wouldn’t get offended at the question because this is not in any way how any of that works. If the baby weren’t completely brain dead they wouldn’t even ask about her organs.
I'm saying this with no medical background at all, but asking parents prematurely if they are open to organ donation is in my opinion, the biggest smack in the face you can give.
I work in the medical field and i can say that that was accurate. They always ask at that time. Its heartbreaking and awful but all parents do say yes because they never want to see another family hurt like they are
We usually notify life sharing when they meet certain criteria: change in code status, neurological signs of not recovering and code with return of spontaneous circulation. Nursing or doctors don't talk about it with the family (organ donation) only about diagnosis and treatment also potential outcomes for each thing.
That was so difficult for Nat. But because she's also a mother she knew what is felt like holding a child's hand. 😢 She went through with it and she bravely asked the other family if they wanna donate Alicia's organs.
1. They could have a general procédure asking all patient's parents for organ donation consent as a regular intake procedure. Medical record would be held at hospital, or better, in national state register, and can be used in future. 2. Seems highly unlikely and dangerous to give heart from a sick infant to another baby without having a single clue of a diagnosis, no?
I honestly don’t think a blanket rule to ask every person on admission if it’s alright to donate their organs (or their child’s) is a good idea at all! You’re going to have people panicking prematurely that they aren’t going to make it (or their child won’t) and the doctors haven’t even admitted them or run any tests yet! Why would they want to cause mass premature panic like that?
Pediatric organ donation is such a sensitive topic but this show is brave to bring it up. It’s an unfortunate circumstance and painful to Imagine losing your baby before they’ve had a chance to live their life. But if their organs can save the life of another-how do you ask a grieving parent if their child’s organs can be harvested? It’s difficult enough with an adult, for a baby it’s just….terrible. Im an organ donor and pregnant with my first, it’s a difficult to think what would happen if I was in this case even as an organ donor
i don't know, maybe it's just because i've seen so many stories of the lives who've been saved by organ donation but if i was losing my child, i would look at organ donation as a way for part of them to continue living on. i would not want their death to be in vain or to result in another child dying alongside them. i hope when i die the doctors harvest everything they can from my body and if i'm ever so unfortunate as to have to bury my children, i'll ensure the same goes for them.
@@dietotakuthere is a movie based on a college student that went into a coma and became an organ donor - and the recipient of his lungs built "Gabriel's House of care " in Jacksonville FL in honor of his donor.
It’s a question that should be talked about during the many prenatal appointments. Just for parents to have the thought - THEIR child may have an instant soon after birth where they are the ones that need the donation. I’m not sure where but there is a state? Country? Where the exception is to NOT donate. And they have to sign a card etc.
Yes. Rhodes and the other baby's parents basically being vultures waiting and wanting her to die was gross. Rhodes jumped the gun on asking about organ donation because of his personal attachment to the baby boy makes him ethically compromised and Natalie never should have listened to him. He was trying to circumvent the normal organ donation procedure where an unbiased third party would have been the ones to talk about donating only after the baby was officially pronounced brain dead.
His not a jerk he was just askong for blood test to be done, both babies looked like they were going to die, it is always worse when it is babies, no parent wants too loose their baby. But if results showed she was going to die ans had no chance then I am sure any parent wouldn't want another parent loosing their baby as well.
Ok, look, I understand everyone’s point of view here, but think about it for a second: Connor’s NOT Alicia’s doctor. He asked Natalie because she is. Also, you’re all here calling him a monster and a coward… what would’ve you’d done if that was your child? Yes, the desperation is palpable, but he knows the kid, a BABY, won’t make it to his next birthday. He just wants what’s better for his patient, just as Natalie wants what’s best for hers. Are you all telling me that you’d act different if that were you? (Not throwing hate, just a bit of reflexion)
I love how understanding manning is with the mother here, wish she was just as understanding to the mother with the baby who had a intercranal hemorrhage from the very beginning 🥺 she did come around after but she should have withheld judgement from beginning as being a mother herself to an infant
This is the only hospital where the doctors not only work in the PICU, ITU, ER as well as all the other wards. Now I know specialist work all over the hospital but here they seem to work primarily in ER but everywhere else when they feel like!?
This is not how heart transplants work. That other baby is not might not even match the other kid and life sharing usually talks to the family about organ donation. The other docter should not have even approached the female doctor.
I’m sorry but if I was a doctor and Alicia was my patient I would NEVER insinuate to that baby girl’s parents that she’s gone at the behest of another doctor. That’s completely unethical and flat out wrong, and it’s frankly none of his business
if only the US health care system was actually like this.. they are so quick to order tests on this show but when i tore my meniscus, it took 2 months before they would even do an mri💀💀couldn’t walk first time I went in and dr had the audacity to tell me to “just take some aleve”
US healthcare is like this, if you're suffering from a life-threatening condition, which a torn meniscus is not. I also had a torn meniscus and I also had to wait a few months. But, when my son was sick, he was diagnosed with AML within hours of him being admitted to the hospital, and they ran over 30 tests on him in the 1st 48 hours. He began treatment within 24 hours of being diagnosed. I know a torn meniscus can be irritating and painful, but this episode dealt with things far more serious.
If you are in te ICU in a critical condition like these babies were, it 100% is like this. I've recently had to experience this. I have a heart baby who is 8 months old and who was critically ill at birth. The speed of the tests and meds was amazing. Teams of doctors and nurses in and right outside of my son's room discussing every detail of his care and getting critical scans and watching the live results and changing his care while we all were in the room. You don't want to ever be that sick, trust me. But it's there for those who need it.
(Spoiler) at some point the dying baby’s parents kept looking at the poisoned baby’s room, because it turns out the baby girl’s heart is a direct match to the dying baby boy. The baby boy’s parents might be desperate to hope the other family’s baby girl passing to get the heart. So yeah it can go either scenario: one dies, one live.
@@wtichery yes they did/do and you do too, apparently. And I wasn't correcting I was literally answering a question. What was asked was the connection between the two. And the way it's asked is actually how I answered. You, on the other hand, seem to not know how to read. If you'd read his and then mine you'd understand. But you didn't, apparently.
I was appalled by this episode. I can't imagine one patient's doctor - a patient needing a transplant - discussing the medical condition of a potential donor. Were I the parents of the girl - the potential donor, I'd have alerted the hospital administration and the authorities to these doctors' request. I would also state at the outset, there will be no test and my daughter WILL NOT be a donor, to remove any and all motivation to "hurry things along". As a parent, my duty is to my daughter, and my daughter only. My concerns would be: 1) The conflict of interest. Who is Dr. Manning's patient: my daughter, or the boy across the hall? Will she do everything in her power to treat my child? How would I know? How could I be sure? I think I'd ask for another doctor. 2) The potential for collusion. I don't know these doctors. Are they married? Lovers? Financial partners? Again, I'd ask for another doctor for my daughter, and a legal "stay away" order for both doctors AND the parents of the boy across the hall. I'd also want security posted to protect my daughter. The temptations to speed things along are too great. 3) The possible pressure to not treat the potential donor so that an organ comes available. Donations are anonymous and independently coordinated (by Gift of Hope) for a reason - to ensure no malfeasance. Of course, it's just a TV program, and the writers need to be creative to provide riveting drama. But this episode departed from reality by a wide margin. Or at least, I hope so. Or we're entering the universe portrayed in Coma (1978).
Because of how long she was deprived of oxygen for. It's something like 4 minutes in an adult. In a baby it's gotta be much less. The male doctor said it was 2 minutes and Manning said that the pupils were fixed and dilated. Just from watching various medical shows I know that that's a Very Bad Sign.
Unfortunately it’s a very real and possible conclusion. The human brain can only survive for a few minutes without oxygen, which is when the brain starts to die. When a newborn baby doesn’t have oxygen, it can take as little as two minutes for brain death. So it is very possible the baby could have had partial brain death, and completing a test like that is warranted to rule out the possibility
Darn it I haven't watched these shows in years and I mean years. Now im watching them and crying like a baby. Mostly the ones with babies and young children. 😢
I personally have aortic stenosis.I was at Riley’s Children’s Hospital so long.The doctors told my parents that I might need a new heart valve.But, thankfully I didn’t get one.
It is premature to actually speak about donation, even though really parents really need that talk before they have children. What happens if the worst came to pass and they have to decide for their child situation like this as long as the medical professionals do everything they can to save your child, because if she was on the other foot, you would be one asking potential parents the same thing she said she had a few more test she had to do to make sure that the child would not recover and the other doctor was really premature. Asking this doctor to ask for it. There is a reason there is a separate committee that usually will walk around. Use a doctors will allow this committee to come around, just to speak about it for a few minutes to the potential parents or whoever if that was a possibility before they turn off the machines that way they have their they can have a few hours to think upon it instead of just been rushing them at the last minute even though I like I said earlier should’ve been mentioned. This should been mentioned before you even had children. It should be action mentioned around the time you get married because those things that can actually break up when you both had two opposing sides to the issue, and it’s not a question you asked your family it’s for you to the mom and dad because that session is only your decision. It’s nobody else’s.
A baby with no muscle and tendon reflexes means the heart is not usable since it is just a complex muscle. Trying to find a non-trauma induced infant death makes them stupid.
The heart muscle isn’t connected to the nervous system iirc. It can beat on its own with oxygen and nutrients (glucose, water, etc). It really is an amazing muscle.
@@molly.dog8brooke792completely false. The heart muscle is 💯 connected to the nervous system (like every other muscle in the body) through the vagus nerves.
This is why grieving mothers like this should be checked out by psych before they are discharged. And of course Dr Manning didnt help the situation in the episode when she gave them false hope and recesscitated him when he clearly wasnt meant to survive!
This is all false. If the baby qualified for organ donation the doctors can test, but the matching process is done by a third party. The doctors dont get imput on who gets an organ, its done by a list of match criteria, need and area put together.
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Male doctor should have been the one asking girl's parents for the test. Emphasizing the results weren't back yet for her condition and it was purely as a last resort to know options and they could decide what to do next if it comes back with no brain activity..
If its any comfort this is not how organ donation goes. If a patient is in need of an organ they go on a list and if someone can donate they test them and look on the list for a good match. Its done by a third party so the personal feelings of the doctor dont bias them. Often its not even the same hospitals
It's a teaching moment...The doctor is helping with the interns' training. Probably he got the parents' permission before doing that. This is common in research/teaching hospitals.
Does it ever occur to these people that these patients might be *SUPERHEROS* and these types of "conditions" might actually be their bodies mutating and evolving and we just go flying in chopping and changing stuff? What did they say "plastic something" that could easily have been the next plastic man or something!?...😅
Thats not true at all. Most people dont qualify for organ donation of most organs because once you die, so do the organs. They have minutes to get to them so it requires a very specific set of circumstances to qualify. Doctors and hospitals get sued enough without intentionally offing people, it would absolutely not be a money maker if they did that.
That’s not how it works afaik. In most places at least, the doctors don’t even know if you’re an organ donor until they check after you die. Even if they do come across that information, their first priority is to save you- they don’t normally have time to choose who lives or dies. Become an organ donor, please. It could save someone’s life if you pass away.
Hot take: it should be legal for doctors to run tests like this without parental/patient/family consent. If the sample they need has already been taken, and thus contact with the patient isn’t even required, there is no impact to the patient by running the test. It should be legal to find out whether they are a match BEFORE even bothering the parents about directed donation. That way if they aren’t a match, the conversation doesn’t need to happen. Of course if a new sample is required, even something as simple as a skin swab, consent should be obtained.
Disagree. Thats a breach of consent, especially if patient is an infant or minor. Running a blood match test insinuates that the doctors could further pressure the parents of the potential donor to donate when that is not their call to make. A parent should be asked first because no blood test match means they wont live in the gulty conscience. Imagine a doctor coming up to you while your baby is dying and saying, hey just letting you know we just ran a blood test wothout permission and your kid is a match. If you want to be a good citizen, give your kid up for another you dont know.
@@chewbacadrunk1 yes but what separates us from most animals is are quick ability to learn and cope with situations. Also babies lack the key characteristic what makes us human is quick learning skills.
idc about nobody else baby I'm not killing my baby to save no random baby y'all better find somebody else cause the minute you ask me I'm saying no and idgaf idc if that sounds selfish take it how you want
@@myracarol4114 What do you mean she's right?! I'm not saying kill your baby but if the baby dies, don't you want to save another baby's life, also wouldn't you want this person to do the same for your kid?
@@karlamireles8501 read her original comment, she said idc about nobody else baby I'm not KILLING my baby to save no random baby.... And with that said. She is right, you wanted to say.... it means you don't care about your baby but keeping the baby as a trophy, so disturbing.... And my whole thing is how does she not care about her baby if she is not willing to let her child die so the babies organs can be harvested for some other baby, and no she wouldn't be keeping her child as a trophy she would be doing everything she could to keep her child alive, it's not disturbing that she doesn't want to let go of her baby, it's not disturbing that she doesn't want her baby cut open and used as spare parts. Its not disturbing that she would want her baby one piece if the baby were to pass.
Whenever a medical drama has two babies in one episode, you know something horrible is going to happen.
Or when the scene is occurring inside a car. They don’t put money into the budget for a car scene unless the car gonna crash 😂
Rand
@@Meanie74 very fair point lol
7:01 The one time Natalie is rationally upset. If I were a doctor and another wanted my patient for spare parts, I'd have the doctor asking to do it themselves.
The Chicago Official channel has this story uploaded but cuts the part where Connor asked Natalie to mention organ donation, so people were ripping into her as per usual.
Knowing the for profit nature of the system behind the choices makes me question the idea of being labeled a Donor. Cant help but wonder if thats part of why my mother didnt make 50. But hey, be happy someone can see better now with parts of her eyes.. and what ever else T.H.E.Y. did with her other parts.
@@keensweepmy father in law recently had a double lung transplant and is now able to live without an oxygen tank following behind him. His lips turned blue just from walking to the porch. We had to use a wheelchair just to get him places on vacation. He was miserable. Now he can BREATHE again and doesn’t even need an oxygen mask. He would’ve died in less than a year otherwise.
@@keensweepeither she or her next of kin signed off on her being a donor, why are you acting like doctors murdered her and stole her organs.
If you were a doctor you’d only be asking if the patient were brain dead. That’s the only way to be a donor. You wouldn’t get offended at the question because this is not in any way how any of that works. If the baby weren’t completely brain dead they wouldn’t even ask about her organs.
the baby girl ended up recovering, she was exposed to a chemical that made her sick in the park, she was given an anti toxic and recovered
What happened to the other baby tho
@@BordInterns2009 I think he died, I can’t remember much about this episode but I think he passed. Idk for sure tho
the question is, why ruin it for people who haven't seen it?
@@JprTM exactly these people are so annoying
@@JprTMI came to the comments looking for what happened. This was helpful, not harmful.
I'm saying this with no medical background at all, but asking parents prematurely if they are open to organ donation is in my opinion, the biggest smack in the face you can give.
I could only imagine being the parent of a kid and within the day there asking if your open to donating the organs of your few month old kid
I work in the medical field and i can say that that was accurate. They always ask at that time. Its heartbreaking and awful but all parents do say yes because they never want to see another family hurt like they are
It’s unfortunately true. Organs need to be harvested quick in order to preserve them. So the question is asked pretty fresh after death.
@amelonnamedkate1400 true. Which I hate emotionally cause like I said it's hard to cope with the death AND make that decision
We usually notify life sharing when they meet certain criteria: change in code status, neurological signs of not recovering and code with return of spontaneous circulation. Nursing or doctors don't talk about it with the family (organ donation) only about diagnosis and treatment also potential outcomes for each thing.
I hate it when bad things happen to kids. They didn't do anything to deserve something like that.
I would NEVER want to be in any of these situations as a Parent!! 😬🥺
That was so difficult for Nat. But because she's also a mother she knew what is felt like holding a child's hand. 😢 She went through with it and she bravely asked the other family if they wanna donate Alicia's organs.
My guy…it’s just a tv show…
@@oanacristina7544 based on real life events that happen daily
@@oanacristina7544 so? Let people enjoy what they want
1. They could have a general procédure asking all patient's parents for organ donation consent as a regular intake procedure. Medical record would be held at hospital, or better, in national state register, and can be used in future.
2. Seems highly unlikely and dangerous to give heart from a sick infant to another baby without having a single clue of a diagnosis, no?
I honestly don’t think a blanket rule to ask every person on admission if it’s alright to donate their organs (or their child’s) is a good idea at all!
You’re going to have people panicking prematurely that they aren’t going to make it (or their child won’t) and the doctors haven’t even admitted them or run any tests yet!
Why would they want to cause mass premature panic like that?
Pediatric organ donation is such a sensitive topic but this show is brave to bring it up. It’s an unfortunate circumstance and painful to
Imagine losing your baby before they’ve had a chance to live their life. But if their organs can save the life of another-how do you ask a grieving parent if their child’s organs can be harvested? It’s difficult enough with an adult, for a baby it’s just….terrible. Im an organ donor and pregnant with my first, it’s a difficult to think what would happen if I was in this case even as an organ donor
i don't know, maybe it's just because i've seen so many stories of the lives who've been saved by organ donation but if i was losing my child, i would look at organ donation as a way for part of them to continue living on. i would not want their death to be in vain or to result in another child dying alongside them. i hope when i die the doctors harvest everything they can from my body and if i'm ever so unfortunate as to have to bury my children, i'll ensure the same goes for them.
@@dietotaku only if they want to without you influencing them on it.
@@dietotakuthere is a movie based on a college student that went into a coma and became an organ donor - and the recipient of his lungs built "Gabriel's House of care " in Jacksonville FL in honor of his donor.
It’s a question that should be talked about during the many prenatal appointments. Just for parents to have the thought - THEIR child may have an instant soon after birth where they are the ones that need the donation. I’m not sure where but there is a state? Country? Where the exception is to NOT donate. And they have to sign a card etc.
Also brain death is not real death, it was made up solely for live organ harvesting without full general anesthesia! :)
Alicia ended up being okay: she got botulism while playing in the park with her brothers.
An ethics committee would have a field day with that conversation
Yes. Rhodes and the other baby's parents basically being vultures waiting and wanting her to die was gross. Rhodes jumped the gun on asking about organ donation because of his personal attachment to the baby boy makes him ethically compromised and Natalie never should have listened to him. He was trying to circumvent the normal organ donation procedure where an unbiased third party would have been the ones to talk about donating only after the baby was officially pronounced brain dead.
This would terrify any Parent..
Honestly, I would have told Rhodes if he was so desperate to hurt those parents to be the monster himself. Coward.
Fr, what a jerk to put that on her and make her look apathetic.
His not a jerk he was just askong for blood test to be done, both babies looked like they were going to die, it is always worse when it is babies, no parent wants too loose their baby. But if results showed she was going to die ans had no chance then I am sure any parent wouldn't want another parent loosing their baby as well.
Yeah I can agree with that
Me too
Ok, look, I understand everyone’s point of view here, but think about it for a second: Connor’s NOT Alicia’s doctor. He asked Natalie because she is. Also, you’re all here calling him a monster and a coward… what would’ve you’d done if that was your child? Yes, the desperation is palpable, but he knows the kid, a BABY, won’t make it to his next birthday. He just wants what’s better for his patient, just as Natalie wants what’s best for hers. Are you all telling me that you’d act different if that were you?
(Not throwing hate, just a bit of reflexion)
I love how understanding manning is with the mother here, wish she was just as understanding to the mother with the baby who had a intercranal hemorrhage from the very beginning 🥺 she did come around after but she should have withheld judgement from beginning as being a mother herself to an infant
If i were her id agree to testing the baby's blood but id have him deliver the news and make the case himself
Rhodes was way out of line with his request!
This is the only hospital where the doctors not only work in the PICU, ITU, ER as well as all the other wards. Now I know specialist work all over the hospital but here they seem to work primarily in ER but everywhere else when they feel like!?
Seriously 🙄.
It's a good damn TV show bro 😂
This is not how heart transplants work. That other baby is not might not even match the other kid and life sharing usually talks to the family about organ donation. The other docter should not have even approached the female doctor.
Oh my word. I am laying in bed with my baby during a contact nap, and this left me in tears 😢 I can't imagine...
I’m sorry but if I was a doctor and Alicia was my patient I would NEVER insinuate to that baby girl’s parents that she’s gone at the behest of another doctor. That’s completely unethical and flat out wrong, and it’s frankly none of his business
I had a child born with hypoplastic left heart in 1990. She lived 3 days. She died in my arms……
I am so sorry for your loss.
Oh no. I am so very, very sorry.
I am so sorry for your lost, my condolences
Robin, you are in my thoughts❤
So sorry
if only the US health care system was actually like this.. they are so quick to order tests on this show but when i tore my meniscus, it took 2 months before they would even do an mri💀💀couldn’t walk first time I went in and dr had the audacity to tell me to “just take some aleve”
US healthcare is like this, if you're suffering from a life-threatening condition, which a torn meniscus is not. I also had a torn meniscus and I also had to wait a few months. But, when my son was sick, he was diagnosed with AML within hours of him being admitted to the hospital, and they ran over 30 tests on him in the 1st 48 hours. He began treatment within 24 hours of being diagnosed. I know a torn meniscus can be irritating and painful, but this episode dealt with things far more serious.
If you are in te ICU in a critical condition like these babies were, it 100% is like this. I've recently had to experience this. I have a heart baby who is 8 months old and who was critically ill at birth. The speed of the tests and meds was amazing. Teams of doctors and nurses in and right outside of my son's room discussing every detail of his care and getting critical scans and watching the live results and changing his care while we all were in the room. You don't want to ever be that sick, trust me. But it's there for those who need it.
I'm a mom too and my son is 4. I wouldn't know what to do if I ever have to send my son to the hospital.
I hear you. I have a 20 month old and I just couldn't imagine. We would be on autopilot for sure.
Demetria McKinney is a great actress ❤❤❤❤
Yes she is
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I miss Dr. Rhodes. I don't like how all the original people are gone
My god I hope is baby is alive.
Alicia is revealed to have botulism, a treatable infection, and we are never given an answer about Tim so come up with your own ending for that case.
So that's it??? That was the connection between the 2 babies??? That when one of them dies, the other one has a chance to live?!?!?😮😮😮
(Spoiler)
at some point the dying baby’s parents kept looking at the poisoned baby’s room, because it turns out the baby girl’s heart is a direct match to the dying baby boy. The baby boy’s parents might be desperate to hope the other family’s baby girl passing to get the heart. So yeah it can go either scenario: one dies, one live.
No. The white baby is the one depending on the demise of the black baby. The black baby needs nothing of the white one.
@@lemonadelemon1960that's what the commenter said, they didn't need correction!
@@wtichery yes they did/do and you do too, apparently. And I wasn't correcting I was literally answering a question. What was asked was the connection between the two. And the way it's asked is actually how I answered. You, on the other hand, seem to not know how to read. If you'd read his and then mine you'd understand. But you didn't, apparently.
@@youniverse2017 No. They both can die. Heart surgery is not a joke.
The iconic kid sentence: Mooooooooooomeeeey ammmmm thurrrrssttttiiii
The doctors have think fast to save a life
I have the same condition as the little baby boy ❤️
I was appalled by this episode. I can't imagine one patient's doctor - a patient needing a transplant - discussing the medical condition of a potential donor. Were I the parents of the girl - the potential donor, I'd have alerted the hospital administration and the authorities to these doctors' request. I would also state at the outset, there will be no test and my daughter WILL NOT be a donor, to remove any and all motivation to "hurry things along". As a parent, my duty is to my daughter, and my daughter only. My concerns would be: 1) The conflict of interest. Who is Dr. Manning's patient: my daughter, or the boy across the hall? Will she do everything in her power to treat my child? How would I know? How could I be sure? I think I'd ask for another doctor. 2) The potential for collusion. I don't know these doctors. Are they married? Lovers? Financial partners? Again, I'd ask for another doctor for my daughter, and a legal "stay away" order for both doctors AND the parents of the boy across the hall. I'd also want security posted to protect my daughter. The temptations to speed things along are too great. 3) The possible pressure to not treat the potential donor so that an organ comes available. Donations are anonymous and independently coordinated (by Gift of Hope) for a reason - to ensure no malfeasance. Of course, it's just a TV program, and the writers need to be creative to provide riveting drama. But this episode departed from reality by a wide margin. Or at least, I hope so. Or we're entering the universe portrayed in Coma (1978).
I pray 🙏 that the baby boy got a new heart 🫀
First thought Spinal Muscular Atrophy
I just don't understand why dr. Manning was just jumping to conclusions automatically thinking that she was brain dead and running all these test
Because of how long she was deprived of oxygen for. It's something like 4 minutes in an adult. In a baby it's gotta be much less. The male doctor said it was 2 minutes and Manning said that the pupils were fixed and dilated. Just from watching various medical shows I know that that's a Very Bad Sign.
Unfortunately it’s a very real and possible conclusion. The human brain can only survive for a few minutes without oxygen, which is when the brain starts to die. When a newborn baby doesn’t have oxygen, it can take as little as two minutes for brain death. So it is very possible the baby could have had partial brain death, and completing a test like that is warranted to rule out the possibility
Because she's a terrible doctor.
Darn it I haven't watched these shows in years and I mean years. Now im watching them and crying like a baby. Mostly the ones with babies and young children. 😢
The baby boy went into V FIB they even the CODE BLUE went off
Yes. We saw that.
I personally have aortic stenosis.I was at Riley’s Children’s Hospital so long.The doctors told my parents that I might need a new heart valve.But, thankfully I didn’t get one.
It is premature to actually speak about donation, even though really parents really need that talk before they have children. What happens if the worst came to pass and they have to decide for their child situation like this as long as the medical professionals do everything they can to save your child, because if she was on the other foot, you would be one asking potential parents the same thing she said she had a few more test she had to do to make sure that the child would not recover and the other doctor was really premature. Asking this doctor to ask for it. There is a reason there is a separate committee that usually will walk around. Use a doctors will allow this committee to come around, just to speak about it for a few minutes to the potential parents or whoever if that was a possibility before they turn off the machines that way they have their they can have a few hours to think upon it instead of just been rushing them at the last minute even though I like I said earlier should’ve been mentioned. This should been mentioned before you even had children. It should be action mentioned around the time you get married because those things that can actually break up when you both had two opposing sides to the issue, and it’s not a question you asked your family it’s for you to the mom and dad because that session is only your decision. It’s nobody else’s.
A baby with no muscle and tendon reflexes means the heart is not usable since it is just a complex muscle. Trying to find a non-trauma induced infant death makes them stupid.
It’s a tv show.
The heart muscle isn’t connected to the nervous system iirc. It can beat on its own with oxygen and nutrients (glucose, water, etc). It really is an amazing muscle.
@@molly.dog8brooke792completely false. The heart muscle is 💯 connected to the nervous system (like every other muscle in the body) through the vagus nerves.
@@louiscyphre2267”it’s a tv show”: meaning for I know everything and this never happens in real life
This is why grieving mothers like this should be checked out by psych before they are discharged. And of course Dr Manning didnt help the situation in the episode when she gave them false hope and recesscitated him when he clearly wasnt meant to survive!
I saw an Honor Walk for a baby girl. The parents let her become an organ donor so that poor kid passed as a heroine.
I would just test the blood 1st then ask the parents. They had a case like this on er where both parents met the blood type is AB rare
They can't test the blood without parental consent. That would be illegal.
You can't run tests like that without consent. If you do, and the parents find out, they can sue you.
This is all false. If the baby qualified for organ donation the doctors can test, but the matching process is done by a third party. The doctors dont get imput on who gets an organ, its done by a list of match criteria, need and area put together.
1:42 Dr House be wishing that was his rn
The doctor can become biased and not work as hard to save the child’s life if she thinks that the baby might be brain dead anyway. Gross .
Anyone knows what episode and season is this
I need to know what happens next
My sister Daisy Randy away because she was scared because the baby was sick
I goin n do a pregnancy test....im here crying with clog throat!!!!!!!! Demmmm this is so sad.....
I would neveret them do that to my baby
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Did the baby die
Male doctor should have been the one asking girl's parents for the test. Emphasizing the results weren't back yet for her condition and it was purely as a last resort to know options and they could decide what to do next if it comes back with no brain activity..
1:16 GIRL IS YOUR NAME BRIAN????
You know. you think that 10000000000% grams allowed to babies will make ded
These doctors behave like gangsters. It’s so disgusting.
If its any comfort this is not how organ donation goes. If a patient is in need of an organ they go on a list and if someone can donate they test them and look on the list for a good match. Its done by a third party so the personal feelings of the doctor dont bias them. Often its not even the same hospitals
@@Peridot0000 How about in China? How about when “they” already have all of our DNA to know we are a perfect match?
What episode is this?
S2 EP2 it says in the description
What episode is this
I hate when I go and watch a new video and then the first comment gives the whole thing away LOL😂😂 but at the same time, I read the comment😅😅
Why are they cutting into a baby with a crowd present and no masks???
Its a tv show
It's a teaching moment...The doctor is helping with the interns' training. Probably he got the parents' permission before doing that. This is common in research/teaching hospitals.
Did the little boy survive?
What episode??
Season 2, Episode 2
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Is this real or is it an act if not why so abrupt.
Wow
My name is Alesha
What was baby Alicia's diagnosis?
Botulism from the soil in the park. Dr Manning figure it out when she saw grass stains older boys clothes
hello natalie sinead duffy in albhera with my family here i am verry verry verry veery verry verry high fever my fever is 110.7
Brain death doesn't happen in two minutes.
Jeez the baby Isent a Guinea pig
Im happy i wont get children...
Lil baby is cute
I was braced for the parents to start shouting about how she wanted to let their baby die to save a WHITE baby.
Does it ever occur to these people that these patients might be *SUPERHEROS* and these types of "conditions" might actually be their bodies mutating and evolving and we just go flying in chopping and changing stuff? What did they say "plastic something" that could easily have been the next plastic man or something!?...😅
Once you become an organ donor you can be sure you will not survive if you end up in hospital imo. Too much money at stake.
Thats not true at all. Most people dont qualify for organ donation of most organs because once you die, so do the organs. They have minutes to get to them so it requires a very specific set of circumstances to qualify. Doctors and hospitals get sued enough without intentionally offing people, it would absolutely not be a money maker if they did that.
It's funny that the black baby is the one the white doctor looks to for spare parts.
Why does everything have to be about race? If their was no black people on the show you would flip and say that it’s racist?
Because the baby is prolly the only other baby dying in the hospital?
She doesn't give up on her patient but forces Dr.Halstead to give up on his... So selfish!
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Ooh Im early!
This is why I'm not an organ donor... if you're not the favorite, you signed your own death certificate.
That’s not how it works afaik. In most places at least, the doctors don’t even know if you’re an organ donor until they check after you die. Even if they do come across that information, their first priority is to save you- they don’t normally have time to choose who lives or dies. Become an organ donor, please. It could save someone’s life if you pass away.
My husband is alive today because of an organ donor & his mother that loved him enough to say save others.
My dad too, although his was a living donor. Organ donation is SO important.@@amystrohmeyer8670
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Hot take: it should be legal for doctors to run tests like this without parental/patient/family consent. If the sample they need has already been taken, and thus contact with the patient isn’t even required, there is no impact to the patient by running the test. It should be legal to find out whether they are a match BEFORE even bothering the parents about directed donation. That way if they aren’t a match, the conversation doesn’t need to happen. Of course if a new sample is required, even something as simple as a skin swab, consent should be obtained.
Disagree. Thats a breach of consent, especially if patient is an infant or minor. Running a blood match test insinuates that the doctors could further pressure the parents of the potential donor to donate when that is not their call to make. A parent should be asked first because no blood test match means they wont live in the gulty conscience. Imagine a doctor coming up to you while your baby is dying and saying, hey just letting you know we just ran a blood test wothout permission and your kid is a match. If you want to be a good citizen, give your kid up for another you dont know.
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Babies are overrated they’re exactly the same as animals.
Animals are bloody awesome.
@@FunctionalJunkie_ intelligence wise I mean
Well, you do know humans ARE animals. Right?
@@chewbacadrunk1 yes but what separates us from most animals is are quick ability to learn and cope with situations. Also babies lack the key characteristic what makes us human is quick learning skills.
@@Byle1990syou were a baby once….
ok de name is dick wolf de kid
idc about nobody else baby I'm not killing my baby to save no random baby y'all better find somebody else cause the minute you ask me I'm saying no and idgaf idc if that sounds selfish take it how you want
It means you don't care about your baby but keeping the baby as a trophy! So disturbing! 🙅♀️😡😤😡
If your baby has no brain activity, your kid is dead already.
@@karlamireles8501 no she's right.
@@myracarol4114 What do you mean she's right?! I'm not saying kill your baby but if the baby dies, don't you want to save another baby's life, also wouldn't you want this person to do the same for your kid?
@@karlamireles8501 read her original comment, she said idc about nobody else baby I'm not KILLING my baby to save no random baby.... And with that said. She is right, you wanted to say.... it means you don't care about your baby but keeping the baby as a trophy, so disturbing.... And my whole thing is how does she not care about her baby if she is not willing to let her child die so the babies organs can be harvested for some other baby, and no she wouldn't be keeping her child as a trophy she would be doing everything she could to keep her child alive, it's not disturbing that she doesn't want to let go of her baby, it's not disturbing that she doesn't want her baby cut open and used as spare parts. Its not disturbing that she would want her baby one piece if the baby were to pass.
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