I've LOVED the Rails to Trails rides I've done. 7 day Michigander is where I blew out my R knee, thus, need a Class 1 electric bike now. So glad they are available.
I’ve been watching your channel ever since we bought our Sprinter van 4+ years ago. We were in Anza riding our bikes about 6 weeks ago. I would have loved running into you. 😃 You inspired me to buy a Rad Mini St a year ago and I love it. My hubby missed out, by the time he was ready to get his bike they discontinued the Mini. He ended hp getting the Lectric xp. We bought the 1Up bike rack last July with a cargo add on and I think it is the best rack on the market. We also got the ramp but stopped using it. It sometimes was more of a pain than just lifting our bikes up together. Your new bikes look pretty awesome.
We have folding e-bikes from Tern. They’re 48 pounds and store inside our van. They’re a bit pricey, so it’s much less stressful than having them outside.
thanks for the video........enjoyed the info in "lay person lingo'". Glad to see that you and your husband are physically active and enjoying tne outdoors. I too have a Class 1 e-mtb (full-suspension) which I purchased when I was 70. Now, 4 years .......and 18,400 kms (I am Canadian) later I am still going strong.........and with the SAME BIKE! Your Levos are great bikes and hopefully you get the same enjoyment and longevity. Ride on!
First,love you hair and old❤ photos! No kidding you guys have a lot of experience ! What a great educational video. Thank you. I can not wait to see your new van .
I have a class two e bike it does 23 mi an hour and I love the throttle to get me across Roads very limited with class 1 e-bike😮 nice thing about throttles if your chain breaks or messes up you can always throttle home you can't do that with a mid motor bike and that's another reason to get a hub drive motor mid motors are very hard on chains
For sure a throttle is nice. But we think they are going to start clamping down on Class 2/3 ebikes. They have become so popular that issues are starting to pop up on trails. At least out here where we live. Lots of user groups are coming out against all ebikes and I'm guessing the compromise will be to limit trails to Class 1 only. We actually may sell our RAD ebikes and get a small mid drive like the Reise-Muller Tinker. But it will be a belt and not a chain.
@@FromShetoMe that sounds good and I don't care for the fast bikes on the trail they're too dangerous for little kids to ride around I usually do 15 on the trail and sometimes slower
We have had the 1Up bike rack for a little over a year and love it. In our opinion it is the best! We have the Rad bikes and even though they are heavy, for us they are great.
i have had numerous specialized mountain bikes, they are an older top notch company ! so their name alone on your bike helps disguise the fact your on an ebike ! i wear baggy mt bike shorts that have 3 pockets ! most of my numerous jerseys have pockets, i dont like shorts that have the pad attached, i have numerous pads to rotate with my shorts. here in helena we have a large and popular trails system, very popular with dog walkers, hikers, runners, and mt bikers. they nipped e bikes out in a hurry, speed and such a wide variety of users were the main reason ! your presentation covered a lot of ground and was excellent ! tell john, i dislocated my shoulder on april 1st and ended up in emergency room in scottsdale..[ got back on the steel horse in a week but rode slow, carefully and easy trails !
Your pocket comment made me laugh. I’m so envious of men’s pants and their deep pockets. If I had another life I would develop clothing for women with ample pockets.
We have the 1 up with over 3000 miles, Lectric lite and mtb 30 pounds. I ride with my honey and dog. Love your videos. We are snow birds,growing young!! Also buying a new bike, analysis paralysis !
Really enjoyed your eBike info video. Very well done. We too wish our Lectric eBikes were not so heavy as its gets harder for two 66 year old ladies to lift up. Although we love our eBikes riding on trails and pavement I see us getting something lighter in the future. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing! I really like your new bikes. If you are in the East again, the Great Allegheny Passage is a phenominal ride and is ebike friendly.
Hi Debbie, We met briefly at the Pleasure Way rally in St John, NB. I mention that I'd duplicated your RIP/tire upgrades and was very happy with the results. You asked if I'd replaced the refrigerator too and I said I hadn't and didn't have a problem with it. You gave me "the look" and I took it seriously - now replaced with the same as yours and again, thanks. New question: I see you've replaced your spare tire carrier. Can you tell me what brand/model you now have? Thanks.
I hope you only replaced your fridge if you were having an issue with it. We upgraded our brakes and tires when we got back from that trip. But the spare tire holder is the same one we’ve had for years. John recommends that you get a holder with a ladder attached so that you can attach other things to it. Owl van makes one, Agile Off-road makes one and Luminess makes one.
I was pleasantly surprised to see your new bikes. I’m an avid mountain biker, about three years ago I bought a bike similar to your Specialized (another brand) and I love it. I Still bring my none electrified bike with me but only use it when forced by regulations. As you mentioned this class of mid-drive, large wheels e-bikes equipped with good drive train and brakes are very capable mountain bikes, (but as you found, no bike is really any good in deep send). In the last ten years I’ve transported my bikes for thousands of miles using the 1up hitch rack and it is rock solid, but like you I’m looking forward to carry the bikes inside the van I’m currently converting.
Since you are building a van, let me share with you something we discovered on Saturday at an Adventure Van Expo. Their product lets you store bikes closer together than any mounts we have seen. freedomcoast.net
Thanks for another informative video. I didn’t know the differences between the bike classes. Now I do! Just saw your van on George’s video. It’s going to be fabulous! Best of luck with the build.
We are newer RV’rs, ages 64 and 71, and bought Rad minis 2 yrs ago. We love them in spite of their weight. We have a good system of teamwork for racking them on our Hollywood rack. But my concern is the growing tendency to ban class 2 bikes from trails. We can’t go any faster than class 1’s. As senior recreational bikers, these bikes really allow us to take on longer, more challenging trails that we might not otherwise attempt. We rely on our throttles as little as possible to maximize the exercise benefits, but sometimes we need a little help. We can do a 40 mile ride, but not if we throttle too much., so we pedal as much as possible. We are always courteous to others on the trails, not running anyone off their path. In June we leave on a 3 month road trip out west and north and we plan to use our Rads everywhere, hoping we’re not stopped. I just don’t understand why the class 2’s get lumped in with the faster class 3’s on these bans. I would hope that the biking community would look to support class 2 e-bikes on trails, which will undoubtedly keep more people like us out on the trails, and more trail users will generate support for more trails. We donate to Rails-to-Trails AND we pay taxes. Arrrgh! I’m so frustrated about this. There just seems to be no justification for banning class 2 e-bikes.
I agree completely and have been frustrated with it. In most places it is an answer looking for a problem. But there are a few who have ruined it for the rest of us; kind of like areas where we used to disperse camp but the trash and human waste got so bad they had to be shut down.
@@FromShetoMe I just read that Minnesota state law specifically allows Class 1,2 and 3 e-bikes on state trails (yay!) but rider must be at least 15 years old. That’s a step in the right direction. They also require an audible signal be used when passing others on the trail. We always do that!
Also frustrated with the banning of all or certain ebikes. How about just having a speed limit on trails. I have also been nearly mowed down by pedal only mountain bikers while hiking on mixed used trails. I think safety is the overall goal here.
Good info, thanks. One bonus regarding mid drive is the rear gear cassette is retained, unlike a rear hub drive. The motor gets to use the cassette making first gear a very good hill climber.
Great video. Thanks for all the videos you do. You have inspired a few trips we have taken. A tip for the 1up rack (or others). A wall mounted 2” receiver tube is available. It keeps the rack out of the way without getting damaged or tripped over. Mounted chest-high, it’s easy to grab and transfer to your vehicle. My wife and I are close to your age and good body mechanics are important 😂. Check out the Route of the Hiawatha and while your there, Trail of the Coeur d’Alene.
Just watched Humble Road and got a quick peak of your new van. George has really got his future work cut out for he and his team. Great video today on bikes. I like what you have figured out for yourselves. I have a 2 bike system. I have the new Hollywood Destination E, 2 bike rack, that I use for a non electric bike and the Doheny fat tire folding ebike. The rack comes with a ramp so I can "one person" them up on the rack. I also have the rack on a swing-away. It tested well last year and so it's a keeper for me. I'm anxious to see the cover you are designing for the bikes, looks like a great idea. Thanks for the link for the padded brief. I have a padded seat cover that I added to my seat, so much better. Hope John is feeling tip top by now, falls are just a part of biking, they happen. Okay, take care now, enjoy the ride.
Lots of great information! Thanks for doing the research on this. Times are definitely changing for these ebikes. I have a class 2 ebike and have been limited to where we could ride them on our travels. Great video!
Hey John, I was thinking about you the other day. I don't remember exactly which town you live in but had a question if you wouldn't mind emailing me: energymaven@gmail.com
That was real great Debbie, thanks. I sold my Smartmotion ebike as I found it was still to big for me so now on the lookout for smaller frame but 24” wheels. This is in Australia. So hard to sort thru them, until you have done many km.
I think you’d like this accessory from 1-Up that makes getting even the lighter bikes easier to just roll up onto the rack. You might find the Levos are so much easier it’s not needed, but it’s great when I’m by myself. I am an aging hard core mountain biker (68) who now uses an Orbea Rise for “recovery “ rides. I’m glad for the alternative to keep up with the kids too.
I was thinking of a cover like you mentioned for travel so taillights are visible. If I'm expecting rain I use Gaffer tape to cover the electronic display. You made. great choice on bikes I have the Turbo Levo and love it.
I have had a 1Up bike rack for my mountain bike for many years and it's worth every penny, extremely well engineered and built. I do a lot of overland exploring and even on the most rugged roads the 1Up has never failed. If I ever convert to an electric bike (I'm 71) then the 1Up bike rack will continue to be used. Overall your video is very helpful should I ever make the transition.
I am neurotic about our Class 1 e bikes. Like you said, I never let the out of our sight and we also have 4 locks for ours. Gord watches the lock picking lawyer too. I believe that you are only allowed Class 1 bikes in Canada, or at least in Ontario.
Bike trail recommendations we have ridden on: Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes and The Olympic Discovery Trail. They are both long and scenic. I noticed your new bike tires are 2” instead of 3”. Do you anticipate problems with sandy trails? Love your content!💕
Thanks for the recommendations. Our bikes did surprisingly well on the sandy trails in Anza Borrego. Our 4” rads didn’t perform much better on similar roads.
Not sure if you have ever heard of Shredly, but they make fantastic women's mountain bike shorts. They pair them with nice padded undershorts/chamois. They come in all kinds of patterns and colors, and they have several pockets. Regular front pockets, and one side pocket for your cell phone. It looks like they now have a stretch waistband version, but I only have the snap front style. Great videos! I have a regular Turbo Levo and love it! I was thinking about the SL, but just wanted more range. But the SL seems like such a perfect fit for you both!
I used to cycle all the time. We did distance cycling. I suggest you get a woman’s seat, which is more padded and wider in the back. The seat is contoured for the female physique. I don’t have a lot of padding on my rear end, and it sure made a difference for me.
We have Specialized that we carry on our PW van. One problem we bumped into was the rear lights. With the cover on the bikes, the lights were not visible. Went online and found a lighting strip to adhere to the bike rack that makes the braking and lane change signals visible to other drivers. We drove about 900 miles before we figured out we had a problem.
Thanks. We need to take a look at our situation. We’ve already moved our license plate. Don’t want to be stopped by an officer who doesn’t like Californians.
Looking into Hiplok d1000 & litelok x3 for better security against angle grinders. Obviously, they can still cut through them but takes a really long time. I love my 1up but unfortunately, it sucks for my bikes with fenders & back racks. For those, i use the ebike Hwood destination rack.
Great video and explanations for what is a very technical and overwhelming subject for most people! We think sources of information like yours are super valuable, as the American bike companies have been focused on sport cycling (racing and high performance) while the e-bike market in the US has been primarily centered around the age 50-70 age demographic that are not interested in racing their bike. (With more than 1 million e-bikes sold in the US last year, the American bike companies are starting to wake up.) My wife and I have also had too many bikes over the years, and have owned 8 e-bikes beginning with the early Class 2 in 2008. We now have tens of thousands of miles on e-bikes. Four of our six current e-bikes are high end, European Class 1 mid-drive with Bosch or Shimano power with torque sensors. Two of the six are the newer Class 2/Class 3 - but also come with torque sensors (however, we remove the throttle and limit the speed by software to convert to Class 1). These torque sensor versions of "value-priced e-bikes" (ie Bafang powered - by brands such as Aventon) ride dramatically different to the cadence sensor value-priced Class 2 e-bikes (ie Bafang powered but with cadence sensors - eg Rad, Lectric, etc.). Torque sensors kick in the e-assist right away from a stop and tailor the e-assist to how hard you are pedaling. Being value-priced, these bikes are still very heavy. Cadence sensor bikes pretty much must have a throttle, as the cadence sensor will always have a lag kicking in - for safety. The cadence sensor bike does not adjust e-assist to how hard you pedal. In our experience, the torque vs cadence sensor makes the most difference in riding experience. Obviously, as you found, the more expensive bikes are also much lighter and have better components - such as brakes.
@@FromShetoMe Check out the Crane "E-nee" bell - nice tone. Similar to, but louder than the expensive Spurcycles bell. However, not as loud as the bell John got.
Very informative! My wife and I bought Midland walkie talkies with headsets we wear on bike rides because we found it difficult to communicate while riding. It helps us a lot! Have you ever tried that? You and say "armadillo on the right, over"
One really nice feature of my Class 3/2 Lectric 1.0 is the “Walk Mode” which will slowly propel the bike up steep inclines or stairs. This should be standard even on Class 3 ebikes. The only negative to my 2019 (bleeding edge) Electric 1.0 is its weight of 60 lbs. It is so heavy that unassisted pedaling is an issue. But fast-forward 3 years and many of the new ebikes are 38-45 lbs - perfect.
When I wrote “standard even on Class 3 ebikes”, I think I meant to say Class 1. At any rate, my Lectric “Walk Mode” has allowed me to go up steep inclines and especially steps.
HEY WHATS UP YOUR VIDEO IS VERY INSPIRATIONAL IN EXPLAINING THE EBIKES. I HAD MY MIND ON THE BAKCOU SCOUT BUT BECAUSE OF THE CLASS I LIKE TO LOOK INTO THE SPECIALIZED LEVO .IM TOO REACHING THOSE 60S BUT EARLY RIGHT NOW. SO IM INSPIRED BY YOUR INFO THANKS .
What plant identity app do you use? We were born & raised in California but have moved to the desert & there are so many plants we can’t identify 🇺🇸❤️🌵
Suggestion - Our State Park Ranger Policeman son tells us that the cheap electronic alarms work quite well in their campgrounds. He has gotten reports from people hearing the alarm, looking out their window only to see someone running away. I am really curious to see how you can configure your new van to hold your bikes and still have enough room inside. We love our Ontour 2.2 for the 79” bed that fits my 6’5” frame and a bathroom I fit in. I would love to fit our bikes inside but not enough to give up those two things. I am with your son kick stands for your new bike. My wife keeps wanting one and I keep telling her we didn’t spend thousands of dollars to take a little weight off only to add it back on. We do have kick stands on our ebikes which are already way too heavy.
Totally agree on 1UP rack. I assume your tire issues have been solved with new bikes tubless tires/rims? Here's the belll I use that does not clutter bar, has a good tone and probabaly weighs 2/3 less than John's. Also, why have you not worn a helmet in some of your recent videos (concerned for your safety😶)?
Very helpful, thanks! I researched e-bikes for a year and really wanted the 4” tires for dirt roads, but the models that had them were all too heavy. Like you, anything lighter than the Rads was a top priority. (We’re your same age and also longtime cyclists.). My husband insisted on hydraulic brakes for safety. My other priorities- low step and foldable for carrying inside our van, even though both features add a little weight. I do like having a throttle for starting out. I compromised with 2.5” tires, and now I really don’t like riding on gravel/dirt roads. Disappointing. I got a Magnum and my husband chose a Tern. Compared to my old featherweight road bike, at around 50-55 lbs, they both still weigh a ton and are difficult to load in and out of the van. (For me at least.) Do you miss having 4” tires? PS-Accessories: I like a front basket and I upgraded to a softer seat. Sorta helps.
I think your comments will be helpful to others. We are surprised at how well our smaller tires work on gravel/sand. They do have aggressive treads so maybe that’s the difference.
I may have missed it but what is your plan for the replacement van you referred to in your E-bike video. BTW, your segment on new e-bikes and what to look for, was very well done. I am 84 and still riding both a hybrid mountain bike and the Rad (heavy on the e-bike!).
That’s awesome. Hope we’re still agile at 84. Humble Road will be building our new van. Bike storage under a raised fixed bed. Check out his TH-cam channel. He’s good.
@@FromShetoMe I have followed Humble Road for quite a while; outstanding. Wish he would get more active on his channel. The attention to detail is great.
We are looking to upgrade from Lectric primarily because they don't have suspension for rougher roads. But our knees can't get us up hills anymore without the throttle. Is there any accomodation for disabled riders to use Class 2 on Class 1 trails. Other than excluding less able riders, I don't see the point of differentiating between Class 1 and 2.
Hi Debbie, great info on the bikes. I am interested in what type or brand of bike helmets you use. I have had a difficult time trying to find something suitable that looks good too. Thanks, Debbie
I'm probably not a good source on helmets as I have so many, none of which I am in love with. John says just make sure you get one with the mips system. He and our son like Smith and Specialized. The one I usually wear is a Bell because it is the lightest of our helmets and I seem to be really sensitive to weight on my head (probably due to a concussion I got when I was a teenager). I find all helmets to be ill fitting and need to go on a shopping trip to try on a bunch of helmets. As far as looking good, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I find all of them to be pretty ugly. But if they do the job, and fit, we'll keep wearing them. Let me know if you hit the jackpot.
What about riding down to the candy store to pick up Double Bubbles for 2 cents? Would you be willing to meet at Rungu to do a video of a handicapped ride? I’ll give you my two cents.
Class 2 E-bike all the way even for commuting. You can use it "exactly" like a class one e-bike however have the complete flexibility of using it or not, can be very handy getting across a intersection quicker etc. Secondly many E-bikes can be changed to go faster than 20mph, mine was as simple as changing it in the options like a alarm clock, others need a bit of a hack.
I agree having a throttle is really nice, but more and more trails are limiting e-bikes to Class 1. So it just depends on how and where you plan to use your bikes.
Very interesting! The extra battery is really clever. I agree with bike short padding. Also, do not wear underwear under the special bike short/brief. Very good info in this video!
I just asked John and our son (who happens to be here) whether they thought that was possible and their opinion was no. We have the older model which is 30nm.
I just purchased a ebike I don't have it yet but I am not sure if you meant class 2 only has a throttle but where I got mine it's described as class 2 and has both preddle assist and throttle?
No comments about the bikes Debbie. I visited Rolef today and would like to touch base with you. I cannot find ways to reach you directly i.e. email address. Can you assist?
You didn't mention that you had to move the location of the license plate; the rack was blocking the view and police will ticket you for not seeing the license plate clearly.
FSTM,,,,HELLO DEBBIE ,AND JOHN,,SO WHICH,COST YOU MORE? Rad or the new ones,f you ever saw the commercials,for SEVERAL brands,while viewing YT VIDEOS,,ONE POPULAR FOR SENIORS,WITH BASKETS ARE TRICICLES,,, For sure JOHN REALLYMLOVES THE NEW BIKEas NOW he fitls well,,I saw that sigh,NO CLASS2,OR 3. BIKES,,it was only a matter of time, Till next time,stay well,,,,,,,,,,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I've LOVED the Rails to Trails rides I've done. 7 day Michigander is where I blew out my R knee, thus, need a Class 1 electric bike now. So glad they are available.
I’ve been watching your channel ever since we bought our Sprinter van 4+ years ago. We were in Anza riding our bikes about 6 weeks ago. I would have loved running into you. 😃 You inspired me to buy a Rad Mini St a year ago and I love it. My hubby missed out, by the time he was ready to get his bike they discontinued the Mini. He ended hp getting the Lectric xp.
We bought the 1Up bike rack last July with a cargo add on and I think it is the best rack on the market. We also got the ramp but stopped using it. It sometimes was more of a pain than just lifting our bikes up together. Your new bikes look pretty awesome.
We have folding e-bikes from Tern. They’re 48 pounds and store inside our van. They’re a bit pricey, so it’s much less stressful than having them outside.
You surprised Susie & I at the end of the video! Thanks for including us ❤
You bet. Thanks for watching to the end!
thanks for the video........enjoyed the info in "lay person lingo'". Glad to see that you and your husband are physically active and enjoying tne outdoors. I too have a Class 1 e-mtb (full-suspension) which I purchased when I was 70. Now, 4 years .......and 18,400 kms (I am Canadian) later I am still going strong.........and with the SAME BIKE! Your Levos are great bikes and hopefully you get the same enjoyment and longevity. Ride on!
You guys up north are tough cookies. I don’t handle cold weather well.
First,love you hair and old❤ photos!
No kidding you guys have a lot of experience !
What a great educational video.
Thank you.
I can not wait to see your new van .
I have a class two e bike it does 23 mi an hour and I love the throttle to get me across Roads very limited with class 1 e-bike😮 nice thing about throttles if your chain breaks or messes up you can always throttle home you can't do that with a mid motor bike and that's another reason to get a hub drive motor mid motors are very hard on chains
For sure a throttle is nice. But we think they are going to start clamping down on Class 2/3 ebikes. They have become so popular that issues are starting to pop up on trails. At least out here where we live. Lots of user groups are coming out against all ebikes and I'm guessing the compromise will be to limit trails to Class 1 only. We actually may sell our RAD ebikes and get a small mid drive like the Reise-Muller Tinker. But it will be a belt and not a chain.
@@FromShetoMe that sounds good and I don't care for the fast bikes on the trail they're too dangerous for little kids to ride around I usually do 15 on the trail and sometimes slower
Congrats on the new Levo SL. I have had my Levo Comp Carbon for 2 years now and it is amazing. Just got back from riding in Moab this afternoon.
Looking forward to riding in Moab. Maybe next fall.
We have had the 1Up bike rack for a little over a year and love it. In our opinion it is the best! We have the Rad bikes and even though they are heavy, for us they are great.
We’ll be keeping the rads. Great around the hood and when the grandkids visit.
I have those same padded cycling briefs and LOVE them!
Good to hear. I am always a bit worried when I recommend things.
i have had numerous specialized mountain bikes, they are an older top notch company ! so their name alone on your bike helps disguise the fact your on an ebike ! i wear baggy mt bike shorts that have 3 pockets ! most of my numerous jerseys have pockets, i dont like shorts that have the pad attached, i have numerous pads to rotate with my shorts. here in helena we have a large and popular trails system, very popular with dog walkers, hikers, runners, and mt bikers. they nipped e bikes out in a hurry, speed and such a wide variety of users were the main reason ! your presentation covered a lot of ground and was excellent ! tell john, i dislocated my shoulder on april 1st and ended up in emergency room in scottsdale..[ got back on the steel horse in a week but rode slow, carefully and easy trails !
Your pocket comment made me laugh. I’m so envious of men’s pants and their deep pockets. If I had another life I would develop clothing for women with ample pockets.
@@FromShetoMe do it,,,your a seamstress.....
We have the 1 up with over 3000 miles, Lectric lite and mtb 30 pounds. I ride with my honey and dog. Love your videos. We are snow birds,growing young!! Also buying a new bike, analysis paralysis !
John was stuck for years but the wait was worth it because discounts are back after Covid.
Really enjoyed your eBike info video. Very well done. We too wish our Lectric eBikes were not so heavy as its gets harder for two 66 year old ladies to lift up. Although we love our eBikes riding on trails and pavement I see us getting something lighter in the future. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing! I really like your new bikes. If you are in the East again, the Great Allegheny Passage is a phenominal ride and is ebike friendly.
Thanks. We will likely be east this summer and if time permits, will check it out.
Thanks. Very informative. Always good content from you guys!
Hi Debbie, We met briefly at the Pleasure Way rally in St John, NB. I mention that I'd duplicated your RIP/tire upgrades and was very happy with the results. You asked if I'd replaced the refrigerator too and I said I hadn't and didn't have a problem with it. You gave me "the look" and I took it seriously - now replaced with the same as yours and again, thanks. New question: I see you've replaced your spare tire carrier. Can you tell me what brand/model you now have? Thanks.
I hope you only replaced your fridge if you were having an issue with it. We upgraded our brakes and tires when we got back from that trip. But the spare tire holder is the same one we’ve had for years. John recommends that you get a holder with a ladder attached so that you can attach other things to it. Owl van makes one, Agile Off-road makes one and Luminess makes one.
They are all excellent quality.
I bought a temperature monitor and was surprised with the results. So I did have a problem. Thanks for the info. Hope to see you on the road again.
@@davidandrews4174 Excellent. I find that most people are unaware of the temperature in their fridge.
Thank you for taking the time to give us such detailed information.
Can’t wait to see your new van!
I was pleasantly surprised to see your new bikes. I’m an avid mountain biker, about three years ago I bought a bike similar to your Specialized (another brand) and I love it. I Still bring my none electrified bike with me but only use it when forced by regulations. As you mentioned this class of mid-drive, large wheels e-bikes equipped with good drive train and brakes are very capable mountain bikes, (but as you found, no bike is really any good in deep send). In the last ten years I’ve transported my bikes for thousands of miles using the 1up hitch rack and it is rock solid, but like you I’m looking forward to carry the bikes inside the van I’m currently converting.
Since you are building a van, let me share with you something we discovered on Saturday at an Adventure Van Expo. Their product lets you store bikes closer together than any mounts we have seen. freedomcoast.net
@@FromShetoMe Great tip, thanks
Great information. Thank you.
Thanks for another informative video. I didn’t know the differences between the bike classes. Now I do! Just saw your van on George’s video. It’s going to be fabulous! Best of luck with the build.
It’s gonna be a tough year of waiting but we are excited.
We are newer RV’rs, ages 64 and 71, and bought Rad minis 2 yrs ago. We love them in spite of their weight. We have a good system of teamwork for racking them on our Hollywood rack. But my concern is the growing tendency to ban class 2 bikes from trails. We can’t go any faster than class 1’s. As senior recreational bikers, these bikes really allow us to take on longer, more challenging trails that we might not otherwise attempt. We rely on our throttles as little as possible to maximize the exercise benefits, but sometimes we need a little help. We can do a 40 mile ride, but not if we throttle too much., so we pedal as much as possible. We are always courteous to others on the trails, not running anyone off their path. In June we leave on a 3 month road trip out west and north and we plan to use our Rads everywhere, hoping we’re not stopped. I just don’t understand why the class 2’s get lumped in with the faster class 3’s on these bans. I would hope that the biking community would look to support class 2 e-bikes on trails, which will undoubtedly keep more people like us out on the trails, and more trail users will generate support for more trails. We donate to Rails-to-Trails AND we pay taxes. Arrrgh! I’m so frustrated about this. There just seems to be no justification for banning class 2 e-bikes.
I agree completely and have been frustrated with it. In most places it is an answer looking for a problem. But there are a few who have ruined it for the rest of us; kind of like areas where we used to disperse camp but the trash and human waste got so bad they had to be shut down.
@@FromShetoMe I just read that Minnesota state law specifically allows Class 1,2 and 3 e-bikes on state trails (yay!) but rider must be at least 15 years old. That’s a step in the right direction. They also require an audible signal be used when passing others on the trail. We always do that!
Also frustrated with the banning of all or certain ebikes. How about just having a speed limit on trails. I have also been nearly mowed down by pedal only mountain bikers while hiking on mixed used trails. I think safety is the overall goal here.
The Palouse to Cascade rail trail from Idaho border to Tekoa was really fun. It’s a pretty new bridge section to the trail.
That’s got potential as we will likely be up that way this summer.
Good info, thanks. One bonus regarding mid drive is the rear gear cassette is retained, unlike a rear hub drive. The motor gets to use the cassette making first gear a very good hill climber.
Great video. Thanks for all the videos you do. You have inspired a few trips we have taken. A tip for the 1up rack (or others). A wall mounted 2” receiver tube is available. It keeps the rack out of the way without getting damaged or tripped over. Mounted chest-high, it’s easy to grab and transfer to your vehicle. My wife and I are close to your age and good body mechanics are important 😂. Check out the Route of the Hiawatha and while your there, Trail of the Coeur d’Alene.
We've done some of the Coeur d'Alene ride and hope to do more rides up that way this summer when we visit my brother and sister.
Just watched Humble Road and got a quick peak of your new van. George has really got his future work cut out for he and his team. Great video today on bikes. I like what you have figured out for yourselves. I have a 2 bike system. I have the new Hollywood Destination E, 2 bike rack, that I use for a non electric bike and the Doheny fat tire folding ebike. The rack comes with a ramp so I can "one person" them up on the rack. I also have the rack on a swing-away. It tested well last year and so it's a keeper for me. I'm anxious to see the cover you are designing for the bikes, looks like a great idea. Thanks for the link for the padded brief. I have a padded seat cover that I added to my seat, so much better. Hope John is feeling tip top by now, falls are just a part of biking, they happen. Okay, take care now, enjoy the ride.
Thanks for all this information, good stuff.
Excellent presentation
Lots of great information! Thanks for doing the research on this. Times are definitely changing for these ebikes. I have a class 2 ebike and have been limited to where we could ride them on our travels. Great video!
Hey John, I was thinking about you the other day. I don't remember exactly which town you live in but had a question if you wouldn't mind emailing me: energymaven@gmail.com
Nice job Debbie, seeing you struggle with the Rad tire set up was frustrating. The Levo tubeless set up will be worth the change by itself.
For sure. We are riding almost daily and are loving them.
Thank you you are packed with info
Very interesting video. Thanks a lot!
That was real great Debbie, thanks. I sold my Smartmotion ebike as I found it was still to big for me so now on the lookout for smaller frame but 24” wheels. This is in Australia. So hard to sort thru them, until you have done many km.
Wish you had access to all the bikes in California. I can’t keep track of all the brands.
I think you’d like this accessory from 1-Up that makes getting even the lighter bikes easier to just roll up onto the rack. You might find the Levos are so much easier it’s not needed, but it’s great when I’m by myself. I am an aging hard core mountain biker (68) who now uses an Orbea Rise for “recovery “ rides. I’m glad for the alternative to keep up with the kids too.
Yes, I've seen the ramps and we may need it down the road.
Just ordered cycling briefs! Thank you!
Hope they work out for you!
I was thinking of a cover like you mentioned for travel so taillights are visible. If I'm expecting rain I use Gaffer tape to cover the electronic display. You made. great choice on bikes I have the Turbo Levo and love it.
Great idea. We have some and will do that. We’ve had rain every day.
I have had a 1Up bike rack for my mountain bike for many years and it's worth every penny, extremely well engineered and built. I do a lot of overland exploring and even on the most rugged roads the 1Up has never failed. If I ever convert to an electric bike (I'm 71) then the 1Up bike rack will continue to be used. Overall your video is very helpful should I ever make the transition.
Thanks. Good to hear about your experiences with the rack.
I am neurotic about our Class 1 e bikes. Like you said, I never let the out of our sight and we also have 4 locks for ours. Gord watches the lock picking lawyer too. I believe that you are only allowed Class 1 bikes in Canada, or at least in Ontario.
Bike trail recommendations we have ridden on: Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes and The Olympic Discovery Trail. They are both long and scenic.
I noticed your new bike tires are 2” instead of 3”. Do you anticipate problems with sandy trails?
Love your content!💕
Thanks for the recommendations. Our bikes did surprisingly well on the sandy trails in Anza Borrego. Our 4” rads didn’t perform much better on similar roads.
Not sure if you have ever heard of Shredly, but they make fantastic women's mountain bike shorts. They pair them with nice padded undershorts/chamois. They come in all kinds of patterns and colors, and they have several pockets. Regular front pockets, and one side pocket for your cell phone. It looks like they now have a stretch waistband version, but I only have the snap front style. Great videos! I have a regular Turbo Levo and love it! I was thinking about the SL, but just wanted more range. But the SL seems like such a perfect fit for you both!
Thanks for the tip! I had not heard of them.
I used to cycle all the time. We did distance cycling. I suggest you get a woman’s seat, which is more padded and wider in the back. The seat is contoured for the female physique. I don’t have a lot of padding on my rear end, and it sure made a difference for me.
I did replace the seat. Tried five different ones at the shop. They were very patient with me.
We have Specialized that we carry on our PW van. One problem we bumped into was the rear lights. With the cover on the bikes, the lights were not visible. Went online and found a lighting strip to adhere to the bike rack that makes the braking and lane change signals visible to other drivers. We drove about 900 miles before we figured out we had a problem.
Thanks. We need to take a look at our situation. We’ve already moved our license plate. Don’t want to be stopped by an officer who doesn’t like Californians.
Lol. 900 miles and we were never stopped…..From New England (NH).
Looking into Hiplok d1000 & litelok x3 for better security against angle grinders. Obviously, they can still cut through them but takes a really long time.
I love my 1up but unfortunately, it sucks for my bikes with fenders & back racks. For those, i use the ebike Hwood destination rack.
We may buy insurance for the bikes this year.
Great video and explanations for what is a very technical and overwhelming subject for most people! We think sources of information like yours are super valuable, as the American bike companies have been focused on sport cycling (racing and high performance) while the e-bike market in the US has been primarily centered around the age 50-70 age demographic that are not interested in racing their bike. (With more than 1 million e-bikes sold in the US last year, the American bike companies are starting to wake up.)
My wife and I have also had too many bikes over the years, and have owned 8 e-bikes beginning with the early Class 2 in 2008. We now have tens of thousands of miles on e-bikes. Four of our six current e-bikes are high end, European Class 1 mid-drive with Bosch or Shimano power with torque sensors. Two of the six are the newer Class 2/Class 3 - but also come with torque sensors (however, we remove the throttle and limit the speed by software to convert to Class 1).
These torque sensor versions of "value-priced e-bikes" (ie Bafang powered - by brands such as Aventon) ride dramatically different to the cadence sensor value-priced Class 2 e-bikes (ie Bafang powered but with cadence sensors - eg Rad, Lectric, etc.). Torque sensors kick in the e-assist right away from a stop and tailor the e-assist to how hard you are pedaling. Being value-priced, these bikes are still very heavy.
Cadence sensor bikes pretty much must have a throttle, as the cadence sensor will always have a lag kicking in - for safety. The cadence sensor bike does not adjust e-assist to how hard you pedal.
In our experience, the torque vs cadence sensor makes the most difference in riding experience. Obviously, as you found, the more expensive bikes are also much lighter and have better components - such as brakes.
Thanks. You guys teach me so much. Sounds like you can build your own!
@@FromShetoMe Check out the Crane "E-nee" bell - nice tone. Similar to, but louder than the expensive Spurcycles bell. However, not as loud as the bell John got.
We found that using a cargo net on top of our bike cover kept it from flapping in the wind and ruining the cover.
That's a great idea. Thanks.
Very informative!
My wife and I bought Midland walkie talkies with headsets we wear on bike rides because we found it difficult to communicate while riding. It helps us a lot! Have you ever tried that? You and say "armadillo on the right, over"
We have been researching Bluetooth helmets. We have midland walkie talkies but never think to take on our rides.
One really nice feature of my Class 3/2 Lectric 1.0 is the “Walk Mode” which will slowly propel the bike up steep inclines or stairs. This should be standard even on Class 3 ebikes. The only negative to my 2019 (bleeding edge) Electric 1.0 is its weight of 60 lbs. It is so heavy that unassisted pedaling is an issue. But fast-forward 3 years and many of the new ebikes are 38-45 lbs - perfect.
Innovation is coming fast and furious now. It's about time; more people on bikes, more trails, more fun.
When I wrote “standard even on Class 3 ebikes”, I think I meant to say Class 1. At any rate, my Lectric “Walk Mode” has allowed me to go up steep inclines and especially steps.
HEY WHATS UP YOUR VIDEO IS VERY INSPIRATIONAL IN EXPLAINING THE EBIKES. I HAD MY MIND ON THE BAKCOU SCOUT BUT BECAUSE OF THE CLASS I LIKE TO LOOK INTO THE SPECIALIZED LEVO .IM TOO REACHING THOSE 60S BUT EARLY RIGHT NOW. SO IM INSPIRED BY YOUR INFO THANKS .
We sure love them. There is another bike you might want to look at made by Santa Cruz Bicycles and called Heckler SL.
What plant identity app do you use? We were born & raised in California but have moved to the desert & there are so many plants we can’t identify 🇺🇸❤️🌵
Seek.
Suggestion - Our State Park Ranger Policeman son tells us that the cheap electronic alarms work quite well in their campgrounds. He has gotten reports from people hearing the alarm, looking out their window only to see someone running away. I am really curious to see how you can configure your new van to hold your bikes and still have enough room inside. We love our Ontour 2.2 for the 79” bed that fits my 6’5” frame and a bathroom I fit in. I would love to fit our bikes inside but not enough to give up those two things. I am with your son kick stands for your new bike. My wife keeps wanting one and I keep telling her we didn’t spend thousands of dollars to take a little weight off only to add it back on. We do have kick stands on our ebikes which are already way too heavy.
We’ll have a fixed raised bed and remove the front wheels of bikes. Should fit fine underneath.
Totally agree on 1UP rack. I assume your tire issues have been solved with new bikes tubless tires/rims? Here's the belll I use that does not clutter bar, has a good tone and probabaly weighs 2/3 less than John's. Also, why have you not worn a helmet in some of your recent videos (concerned for your safety😶)?
Yes, tubeless. The new helmet I took on that trip was a terrible fit and gave me a headache. I’ve gone back to my old one.
Thanks Deb, really appreciate the info. Excited to see the progress on your new van. Are you- Lightfoot or Big Beautiful Beast?
No. But can’t wait to see the video.
Very helpful, thanks! I researched e-bikes for a year and really wanted the 4” tires for dirt roads, but the models that had them were all too heavy. Like you, anything lighter than the Rads was a top priority. (We’re your same age and also longtime cyclists.). My husband insisted on hydraulic brakes for safety. My other priorities- low step and foldable for carrying inside our van, even though both features add a little weight. I do like having a throttle for starting out. I compromised with 2.5” tires, and now I really don’t like riding on gravel/dirt roads. Disappointing.
I got a Magnum and my husband chose a Tern. Compared to my old featherweight road bike, at around 50-55 lbs, they both still weigh a ton and are difficult to load in and out of the van. (For me at least.)
Do you miss having 4” tires?
PS-Accessories: I like a front basket and I upgraded to a softer seat. Sorta helps.
I think your comments will be helpful to others. We are surprised at how well our smaller tires work on gravel/sand. They do have aggressive treads so maybe that’s the difference.
I'm assuming George will have a bike tray for you? Out of site out of mind is the best theft prevention.
Still thinking about that. But definitely under the bed.
I may have missed it but what is your plan for the replacement van you referred to in your E-bike video. BTW, your segment on new e-bikes and what to look for, was very well done. I am 84 and still riding both a hybrid mountain bike and the Rad (heavy on the e-bike!).
That’s awesome. Hope we’re still agile at 84. Humble Road will be building our new van. Bike storage under a raised fixed bed. Check out his TH-cam channel. He’s good.
@@FromShetoMe I have followed Humble Road for quite a while; outstanding. Wish he would get more active on his channel. The attention to detail is great.
We are looking to upgrade from Lectric primarily because they don't have suspension for rougher roads. But our knees can't get us up hills anymore without the throttle. Is there any accomodation for disabled riders to use Class 2 on Class 1 trails. Other than excluding less able riders, I don't see the point of differentiating between Class 1 and 2.
No there isn’t any accommodation. Maybe some day.
Hi Debbie, great info on the bikes. I am interested in what type or brand of bike helmets you use. I have had a difficult time trying to find something suitable that looks good too. Thanks, Debbie
I'm probably not a good source on helmets as I have so many, none of which I am in love with. John says just make sure you get one with the mips system. He and our son like Smith and Specialized. The one I usually wear is a Bell because it is the lightest of our helmets and I seem to be really sensitive to weight on my head (probably due to a concussion I got when I was a teenager). I find all helmets to be ill fitting and need to go on a shopping trip to try on a bunch of helmets. As far as looking good, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I find all of them to be pretty ugly. But if they do the job, and fit, we'll keep wearing them. Let me know if you hit the jackpot.
Thank you Debbie. I’ll continue my search and let you know.
Good review , what Amp hour are the Levo batteries?🎉
320. The booster battery is 180.
Would you be incorporating that mid-bike cover with something to keep the monitors dry. I've wondered how vulnerable they are to rain.
Our new bikes don’t have a monitor.
@@FromShetoMe Thank you I should have noticed that.
@@forkintherode8236 Not at all; I was surprised it didn't have one but apparently it can be added.
@@FromShetoMe 👍
What about riding down to the candy store to pick up Double Bubbles for 2 cents? Would you be willing to meet at Rungu to do a video of a handicapped ride? I’ll give you my two cents.
Where are they located?
I think you might have posted an answer and then deleted it? Bottom line, if they are local and I'm in town, then absolutely.
Class 2 E-bike all the way even for commuting. You can use it "exactly" like a class one e-bike however have the complete flexibility of using it or not, can be very handy getting across a intersection quicker etc. Secondly many E-bikes can be changed to go faster than 20mph, mine was as simple as changing it in the options like a alarm clock, others need a bit of a hack.
I agree having a throttle is really nice, but more and more trails are limiting e-bikes to Class 1. So it just depends on how and where you plan to use your bikes.
Very interesting! The extra battery is really clever. I agree with bike short padding. Also, do not wear underwear under the special bike short/brief. Very good info in this video!
Had to laugh at that Sue! Underwear are gonna stay on!😂
I hear the New Levo SL is 50 nm of torque, I hope they can update the older models with a firmware update
I just asked John and our son (who happens to be here) whether they thought that was possible and their opinion was no. We have the older model which is 30nm.
@@FromShetoMe they did it with the Bosch system so I’m hoping they can, because 35 nm isn’t doing it for me 😉
@@emtbtrailrider539 Good to know. Thanks.
Oops, you mean mph, not mpg... great video!
Yes. I wonder if spell check changed it and I didn’t notice. Happens to me all the time.
❤will the 1up bike rack works with an Aventon Adventure 2 bike (has fenders) ?
Not the one we have but I don't know their complete line of products.
I just purchased a ebike I don't have it yet but I am not sure if you meant class 2 only has a throttle but where I got mine it's described as class 2 and has both preddle assist and throttle?
Both class 2 and 3 have a throttle.
No comments about the bikes Debbie. I visited Rolef today and would like to touch base with you. I cannot find ways to reach you directly i.e. email address. Can you assist?
Energymaven@gmail.com
You didn't mention that you had to move the location of the license plate; the rack was blocking the view and police will ticket you for not seeing the license plate clearly.
You might change MPG (Miles Per Gallon) to MPH (Miles Per Hour).
LOL. Unfortunately you can’t make changes to an uploaded video.
From she to me are you going to sell your Pleasure Way?
Eventually. But our new van is at least a year away.
Ok on the sale. I saw how busy George had gotten. Now two yrs out he said.
I saw your your new van in George’s latest video 👍
A class 3 is better for me.
FSTM,,,,HELLO DEBBIE ,AND JOHN,,SO WHICH,COST YOU MORE? Rad or the new ones,f you ever saw the commercials,for SEVERAL brands,while viewing YT VIDEOS,,ONE POPULAR FOR SENIORS,WITH BASKETS ARE TRICICLES,,, For sure JOHN REALLYMLOVES THE NEW BIKEas NOW he fitls well,,I saw that sigh,NO CLASS2,OR 3. BIKES,,it was only a matter of time,
Till next time,stay well,,,,,,,,,,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
New ones are by far more expensive.
Not what I'm looking for
We’re loving our class 2 bikes.
@@FromShetoMe Does Pedal Assist sound like a motor as you pedal
@@terellnelson9397 They all make some noise.
How about pedaling the bike….that is what it was made for… we are growing weak as a society
Who is John Galt?