Just a friendly pointer - everyone who’s using negative curve shaper, start at -15. Many CPUs aren’t stable at -20 or lower, especially if you’re not using really high end motherboards with industry leading power delivery like he is. Also worth while to mention that 6400mts RAM and 2200mhz infinity fabric settings won’t work for everyone, not all of y’all will run at one to one ratio. Also, buildzoid has some good presets for RAM timings that DO work, use those with correct RAM if you can’t get settings in this video to work. Happy OC-ing (Thankfully most of these settings are just set and forget and will work dynamically based on what the CPU can handle)
Yep, I lost a lot of time tonight by starting at -40 and slowly easing by 5. Didn’t land on stable until -15. That’s for sure the negative curve sweet spot for my system.
question: should i get a 6000mhz cl 28 kit, try to overclock it to 6200mhz and if possible tighten the timings even further or should i get a 6400mhz cl30 kit and drop the frequency to 6200mhz?
I have watched this video multiple times now, and i think it is one of the best guides to dealing with your 9800X3D. It helped me sooooooo much in understanding the new architecture and options in the BIOS, cause I was hibernating for the last 5 years in the PC Community. This really brings me up to speed
Not really. He is most likely not stable for daily use, and in the end, all core OC still provides the best FPS and 1% lows for gaming. So no need to do all this if you're just a gamer. It is still super cool to see him try the new stuff though.
Very informative, thank you! I am a bit saddened by the fmax limit in PBO being just 200MHz. Would be nicer if you could just tell the darn thing to try to get to 5.7 without having to have the ultra mega gigaboard with an external clock gen.
What enforces the limit? In theory, even if a motherboard manufacturer pushed their luck, could they allow you to go beyond? I guess the CPU itself is generating the curve, so no?
It seems you always get the beyond insane gold sample of each CPU. I have owned 3x Ryzen 7xxx CPU's and now own a 9800X3D, I have never been able to run -40 CO and/or 2200 FCLK on any of them, you seem to be able to do that evey singel sample you overclock.
Yeah. Got my 9800x3d and can only do 2167fclock, at 2200 I get audio issues however it boots up and does not crash. At +200mhz and -40 I get crashes, seems stable if I lower to +125mhz. Do you think i should stay with +200 and reduce undervolt, could that work?
@@teddyoflove5897 All of you cores will definitely not be able to do +200mhz with -40 co undervolt, not happening. What you need to do is finding the "bad-cores"cores and assign them lower CO. Bad cores = -15 while the best cores can do -35 for example.
Surely depends what you're trying to accomplish. I old skool clocked my 5900x and got great benchmark runs... Left it like that for 2 years.... I recently played around with the curve and although it benchmarks worse....it gets better gaming fps, so going to follow this for the 9800x3d I installed today 😮
I bought a 7700 made in China on Aliexpress, to test the veracity of the fact that they have a lot of undervolt margin. I also have a 7800x3d (stable up to -20 on prime95) and a 7700x (stable at -27 on testmem5, prime95 small etc). Well this 7700 unlocked at 142w and pbo offset +200 and curve optimizer -60 I can't make it crash in any stress test. I'm at 1.24v At 5550mhz all core in floating point with -60 curves. Incredible Chinese production. I hope in a 9800x3d made in China. For those who want to try it, there is no guarantee that something made in China will arrive even if you get it from Ali
Hello Man, Amazing work you did! one question. can we use the numbers you give at the end of your tutorial are those safe or do we have to go gradually every step and test the stability being that not all 9800x3Ds are equal? I know is a noob question but overclocking could be such a time consuming process and I would love to shorten the process by following the wonderful work you did!
I wouldn't recommend copying the settings directly, but you can use the guide's process and see what works for your system. I'd do the strategies one be one (since they get more complex every step)
I had alot of success yesterday after building. my Curve was per core based I got lucky because I was having trouble going above -15 all core. One simple comment on reddit made me gable a try and -40 on some cores and half the other cores -15 stable. Then got lucky too with a stable 2200 IF after last noight stress testing OCT Vram CPU+ram combo test with OCCT. Watching alot of videos discovered why I did have issues is cause I wasnt feeding certain parts more voltage. I was going off auto.
-40 Curve Optimizer was unstable for me and gave me massive freeze frames in Elden Ring. Now running -35. Great video! love all the info combined with the straight to the point instructions on how to set everything up.
Why not include any multiplier overclocking since 9800x3d is the first unlocked x3d chip? Derbauer tried and managed to get 5.4 ghz all core easily, I hoped you would mix it with curve optimizer to a greater height but I don't see any mention of it in the video. Open multiplier is the best news because async clock mode and an expensive motherboard that support async clock mode is not needed this time to overclock 9800x3d, is it not?
its amd workaround to get better fps without knowledge of overclocking and proven, once again, working well on their ryzens intel usually just raising mhz and sell it
Can you please do an undervolt of Arrow Lake CPUs, particularly the 285k or 245k, and run them at stock undervolted, undervolted with minor downclock to get max efficiency and undervolt + overclock + tuning and other optimizations?
Great video! what are your thoughts on the EXPO Tweaked profile? would that be like a an easy way of getting most of the performance without too much manual tweaking?
It's a good feature. I've had mixed results in terms of stability and performance gains, but it's something I will always try. If it works, it will give better performance :)
@SkatterBencher tested expo 1, 2 and tweaked earlier in aida64 and the tweaked profile offers some pretty good improvements in read & write speed as well as latency, also runs very stable on my system
idk if you have a Aorus x870e elite wifi 7 by chance but id love to see a step by step to do this setup . its kinda the same theres some things like the ai stuff doesnt show up on my mobo with the newest bios
Hi I'm doing the last strategy but i cant make it stable unless i set the max and high curve shaper from 15 to 25 but when i do that i loose performance. Any other way i can stabilize?
Hello SkatterBencher, Yet another banger video. I have been following you ever since I got my first AMD CPU which was the 5900x and I have a quick question. For me as a gamer I care about the maximum performance for gaming and I asked the same question on the 7800x3d video of yours but I am in need to ask again since this time the OC Strategy in this case #2 seems to cover way more options such as Fmax, Scalar and such which I believe is because you can actually overclock this CPU which was previously not possible in the same way with the 7800x3d. Would you therefor actually recommend (for gaming purposes) to use FMAX and Scalar as shown in the video or was this done to show the ALL core boost performance and should I as a gamer just stick to the 7800x3d setup which was to enable PBO, EXPO and then tune my cores with a negative curve? My full setup is as following: CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D AIO - Lian Li Galahad II Trinity Performance 360 MOBO - ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero RAM - G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6000 - 64GB - CL30 GPU - ASUS ProArt GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER OC I have a total of 10 fans installed in my case for maximum cooling. Thank you so much for your fantastic videos and I hope you can answer my question.
Unlikely, but you can refer to my 7800X3D guide. The process will be quite similar but of course the results will differ th-cam.com/video/90UBUq1mLGY/w-d-xo.html
Can you provide tips on lowering the voltage or temps on your curve shaper profile? I used the guide on your site and it worked amazing. Stable too. I'd like to use it 24/7. Gots to 5.723ghz. tops out at 83c during heavy gaming loads and 95 during OCCT multicore avx stress test.
Question: would it be better to use a DDR5 6000 CL28 kit, overclock it to 6200mhz and try to tighten the timings even further or is it best to get a 6400 CL30 kit and bump it down to 6200 and try and thighten up the timings there?
Yes, I include OCCT AVX and SSE stress test results for all strategies + obviously it passes all the benchmarks. You can read more details on my blog skatterbencher.com/2024/11/06/skatterbencher-82-ryzen-7-9800x3d-overclocked-to-5750-mhz/
As I understand it, there is a VF Curve factory preset in each 9800X3D that goes out of the factory, so they test these chips and basically tell them, how good they think they are. It also seems to me that you were able to get those values out from your CPU. How did you do this? I mean back in the days, with my Celeron 333 Mhz I did manual VF-Curves with pen and paper and really tuned it out myself with that knowledge, but that was decades ago, and it amazes me, that this is coming into normality for everyone to just fine tune it with the curves already known for your particular Processor
Yes, every CPU has some VF parameters fused onto the CPU from the factory. Based on the parameters, the CPU SMU (System Management Unit) then works out in real time what voltage and frequency to operate at. My process for capturing the VF curve is pretty simple: I log the core frequency and VID using HWiNFO while running a light workload. Then I adjust the Fmax in the operating system to get the voltage at various frequencies. Afterwards, it just needs a little Excel processing to make the graphs.
@@SkatterBencher last question if u can help: would this be a good kit F5-8000J3848H16GX2-TZ5RK to test both scenarios? 6200 or 6400:2133 and 8000:2000 or it's not even worth it with the 9800x3d? i have a x870e hero as well
just tried some overclocking over the weekend it seems like the Asus AI OC actually performed the best on my chip tuned to 111 on the AI optimism scale I was able to get 5.4GHz, 20,000 cinebench r23, 71C with the async eclk and PBO I was able to get 5.4GHz, 19,700 cinebench but 82C also my infinity fabric can't go higher than 2100mhz so my chip might not be that strong also on my corsair 6400 cl32 expo kit I wasn't able to get the timings any better. applying the same settings would BSOD with a mem error
@ hmm thabks for the heads up. I just upgraded to win11 with a fresh install. but apparently HBU said some win11 installs crap out even when fresh. I have no need for win11 so I'll try win10 again and see if it improves
I have a 3700X and X570 Gigabyte Elite. RAM is incredibly weird on Ryzen, to put it mildly, especially if you have 4 modules or RAM-chips (2*2*8 GB in my case). It can be stable for weeks and then all of the sudden you get a crash. Over time you notice that your POST-time increases with a few seconds and that the CPU-fan ramps up more and longer (because it is slower at checking the RAM). RAM remains a mystery on Ryzen and whatever is going on, that Infinity Fabric makes it a lot more complicated.
Nice deep dive. I would love to see you include undervolting and use lower tdp, something in between 7800x3d and 9800x3d stock 115-120 watts for example?!
It's a tough ask to get 6G stable all-core (if we're not just doing single Cinebench runs). I think it probably requires 0C at 1.4V or so ... similar to my 9700X skatterbencher.com/2024/09/11/skatterbencher-80-ryzen-7-9700x-extreme-overclocked-to-6325-mhz/
Had to fine tune the +15 to +17 for full stability for the 105.5 ECLK OC. Passes everything. boosting to 5.725. 6400/2200 RAM/FCLK will not be stable for most without tweaking if at at all. 6200 with very tight timings works best for me and outperforms 6400 with the tightest timings I can manage with that. Got FCLK to 2200 but required voltage tweaking 'VDD MISC' and 'SOC' to work. 6200/2066 will be an easier stable target to try first Id recommend. I have a ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI so not quite as good a board but similar, its has the ECLK feature obviously.
Very Insightful, I shall have to take it one step at a time to find the limits of my 9800x3d, (silcon lotto) I do have one questions though, you have 6400 Mhz ram, but you down clock it to 6200 MHz and keep the timing. Why? and shoulsd i up the Mhz of my 6kMhz ram to 6200. What is the long term affects of running such a high OC on a CPU?
EXPO-6400 wasn't fully stable with my CPU (I guess it's the memory controller). Instead of not enabling it at all, I can stick with all the EXPO performance settings and just reduce the memory frequency once notch. It's an easy way to keep the timings while not suffering from instability.
Great content. As always. Thank you! One question. Why can't I clock more than 5.725 GHZ? Even if I set BCLK2 to 108.5 and set the Curve Shaper to all values +10 as in the video, it doesn't clock higher than 5.725. Do we have a volt/clock limit here? I use Direct Die Cooling + liquid metal. Temperatures below 62 degrees under full load. Thanks for your feedback.
Hm, this seems like a great guide. Seems like CO + 200+ Fmax is the way to go on boards without ECLK. Makes me wonder if the Gigabyte X870E Pro Ice i've been looking at has ECLK functionality..
Fantastic review can't wait to try this CPU, I have one question ..I own Corsair 6000 cl30 I have 7800x3d and Asus x670e-i motherboard, I've seen several of your videos, and I've seen that you use preset RAM profiles in the BIOS, can you tell me if there is a better profile for my RAM that will give some boost? I'm already happy with the performance but if I can get a bit more I would be delighted. Thanks
Does anyone have an issue where the CPU just will not boost to 5450? I set PBO to +200 with -25 curve, it's stable under any load i throw at it, but the core clock simply won't go higher than 5415, even though the level 3 clocks hit 5450 and the "frequency limit - global" is 5450...
Would be awesome if possible to post a guide for Aorus Master X870E undervolt / overclock as the BIOS is VERY different - especially for the memory part.
My 9800X3D cannot even handle the basic PBO OC.. Starting to worry that there's an issue with the CPU, as when I sent PBO on then my storage device disappears. I'm using a 990 Pro NVME on a ROG Strix x870e Gaming board.
If you can run it, 6400/3200 would be better. However, not all CPUs can easily do that so, if it happens to me, I keep all the EXPO settings apart from dropping the memory frequency a bit.
@ good to know. Not all would be able to keep 3100 too. I just got my cpu. Gonna buy memory soon. I'm so excited to try all the stuff you mentioned. Upgrading from a 5600x haha. Can't wait
Does the Extreme Tweaker\DRAM timing control\memory list have any 2x48GB DR presets at all? Seems like a massive oversight if not, when kits like the Corsair Titanium exist.
Up you go... Der8auer doesn´t do such extensive guides. I would be very, very, very happy for such test. SB and Der8auer are both tipping the scales for me to upgrade from 7600 to 9800X3D, delid it and OC using SB guide :) Plz, get that delid done and repeat a few significant tests. That thermal headroom could be very, very interesting in the extreme OC scenarios :)
@@Fr4kTh1s Derbauer is not even testing the max oc on a delided 9800X3D such a waste, 5600Mhz all core is easy and only 65c, I really don't understand why he don't try a max overclock, maybe is 5,7Ghz allcore also possible. I have a delided 7900X and 5,6 on the fastest CCD is also the max.
Thank you so much for the guide! Right now I have two sets of RAM and I am wondering which you think would be better for my build with the 9800X3D and ROG X870E Crosshair. One is Corsair Vengeance (Non-RGB) 6400MT/s CL32 and the other is G.Skill 7200MT/s CL34 from my current Intel build. I’m honestly not sure if the G.Skill RAM would be compatible as it is not on the motherboard’s compatible RAM list. Do you think I would get the best performance from A.) using the Corsair kit and copying the memory timing and clock adjustments you made B.) trying to run the G.Skill kit and see the best speed and timings I can get from simple EXPO or C.) copy the memory timings and clock adjustments you made but using the G.Skill kit. I that believe both RAM kits are using SK Hynix A-Dies but not 100% sure.
Hi, so I just went and do the simple OC so PBO2 + Expo, just one question does go from 120 watt PPT to higher use of power right? I hope it won't make it worse for longer use, but I did gain more fps in a bunch of games I noticed.
The overclocking process for X670E and X870E are identical. That said, I would never recommend copying settings from the internet but rather advise to adjust the settings according to your system's capabilities
Do I need a Motherboard such as the 870x hero? Wouldn't something really basic like a Asrock b650m hdv suffice? The b650m probably doesnt support all these really fancy OC features, do they?
I tried exact same settings using exact same components but can’t get it to run. The minute I change to asynchronous mode it doesn’t like it above 101? Any suggestions??
It's possible to tune 32GB modules but the timings won't be the same. Maybe you can check Buildzoid's channel to see if he has a guide on how to tune 32GB modules
Is it possible that increasing frequency w/ an OC strategy like this can somehow introduce input latency on the system (even though it's now running higher clock speeds?).
Hello, I followed your settings for method 2 but its not stable. PC either completely freezes or BSOD. Do I just reduce the negative curve optimizer (-40 might be too much) or should I do something else?
Yes, 5425 MHz is what I'm seeing here as well. There's something preventing it from shooting to the programmed 5450 MHz but I couldn't figure out what exactly
On the okay cpus 2200 should work on default voltages which are typically under 1.0v. VDDG IOD is the one which has the most effect in FCLK stability. I run 1.27v VDDG IOD on my 8600G for 2550FCLK.
First thanks for the video :) I just got my 9800x3d and I would like a more steady oc that high mhz. In my experience in gaming its better to have a locked cpu clock then a clock that varias. How is that achieved in the best way with this cpu? :)
I’m currently on 7700X and RTX4080 combo, seriously thinking of getting the 9800X3D.. performance uplift of over 30% on the same GPU? That’s crazy stuff
so now the cool thing now is to direct die cool? I saw derba8ers video where he delidded and hadn't guessed to see the direct die cooling kit. I thought it was pretty awesome! I have been looking into the new noctua d15 g2 lbl model, where their coolers are specifically flatter and better for ryzen, would that be the sort of cooler you run with direct die, or are you aiming for a lapped waterblock?
@@dragonmaster391 You need a custom block and bracket for direct die, as this method of cooling does not use the IHS of the CPU. It's certainly not necessary, as the 9800x3d already runs pretty cool. I'm trying it more as a hobbyist than anything else.
@l1CappYl1 thank you, that is what I was. understanding, but it wasn't clear if the bracket allowed air coolers or if the water block was needed then. It certainly doesn't seem appealing to most users, when a d15g2 cooler with stock lid will do perfectly without risk of leaks or cpu dmg. But of course enthusiasts can't help but look at that potential danger as a welcomed challenge for something so cool. pun intended. as how the other was, I'm probably going to hold off until a 9900x3d releases, as cores are certainly a desired feature. Which will give the chance to catch up on modern cooling innovations
Not very much. The best you can do for gaming is getting ram 6000-6400 and tighten the timings. That has more impact on min and max fps then 200 mhz more on the cores. As with all things am5 and ryzen CPUs, they are pretty much at the limit. Still, why not undervolt your cpu? Less heat, less power and better boosting behavior. Its really easy to do too
Hey! All good here! I have guides up with the 14700K and 14900K already: 14700K th-cam.com/video/1kQ8waHIjAw/w-d-xo.html 14900K th-cam.com/video/Ww_BJhz_w98/w-d-xo.html
@@SkatterBencher Sounds about right, if I remember correctly I only needed 0.95 for 4.9GHz, which matches Zen 4 IPC at 5.6GHz. Oddly, enough this IPC match thing is only a thing for syntethic benchmarks, in gaming and what not I saw a performance regression.But in say cinebench for example zen 5 at 4.9 matches zen 4 at 5.6...
Just a friendly pointer - everyone who’s using negative curve shaper, start at -15. Many CPUs aren’t stable at -20 or lower, especially if you’re not using really high end motherboards with industry leading power delivery like he is. Also worth while to mention that 6400mts RAM and 2200mhz infinity fabric settings won’t work for everyone, not all of y’all will run at one to one ratio. Also, buildzoid has some good presets for RAM timings that DO work, use those with correct RAM if you can’t get settings in this video to work. Happy OC-ing
(Thankfully most of these settings are just set and forget and will work dynamically based on what the CPU can handle)
Where can I find buildzoids presets?
Yep, I lost a lot of time tonight by starting at -40 and slowly easing by 5. Didn’t land on stable until -15. That’s for sure the negative curve sweet spot for my system.
my 7800X3D is fine at -25, regularly seeing 4900 to 5050 during gaming
will see later when my 9800X3D today arrives
question: should i get a 6000mhz cl 28 kit, try to overclock it to 6200mhz and if possible tighten the timings even further or should i get a 6400mhz cl30 kit and drop the frequency to 6200mhz?
@@luisnussbaum5892 the overclock for x3d is useless..
As usual, SkatterBencher is the GOAT of OCing. Amazing video!
Thank you, used your content to work up a 5900X OC 2020~ …. Now coming back to your channel again.
I have watched this video multiple times now, and i think it is one of the best guides to dealing with your 9800X3D. It helped me sooooooo much in understanding the new architecture and options in the BIOS, cause I was hibernating for the last 5 years in the PC Community. This really brings me up to speed
this channel is criminally underrated
Fantastic guide. IN plain English. When I buy one, I'm using your video as the guide.
This is a fantastically clear, concise, and methodical breakdown.
Monster OC, Monster Gaming CPU, SkatterBencher is the OC Beast!
Best OC Guide Channel!
Not a guide, no mention of tests he uses for stability.
I said already - VERY UNDERRATED CHANNEL ☹️
Not really. He is most likely not stable for daily use, and in the end, all core OC still provides the best FPS and 1% lows for gaming.
So no need to do all this if you're just a gamer. It is still super cool to see him try the new stuff though.
Always has been!
@@MrEdioss Did you even watch the video? 14:14
Danke!
Tried your setup. Worked right off the box. Thank you very much !
Very informative, thank you!
I am a bit saddened by the fmax limit in PBO being just 200MHz. Would be nicer if you could just tell the darn thing to try to get to 5.7 without having to have the ultra mega gigaboard with an external clock gen.
Couldn't agree more!
What enforces the limit? In theory, even if a motherboard manufacturer pushed their luck, could they allow you to go beyond? I guess the CPU itself is generating the curve, so no?
Great vid! How would you set it up to crank as much gaming fps as possible?
I honestly feel you are responsible for 10% of sales for the crosshair motherboard and AIO.
What do I set if I have 6000mhz ram?
It seems you always get the beyond insane gold sample of each CPU. I have owned 3x Ryzen 7xxx CPU's and now own a 9800X3D, I have never been able to run -40 CO and/or 2200 FCLK on any of them, you seem to be able to do that evey singel sample you overclock.
Yeah. Got my 9800x3d and can only do 2167fclock, at 2200 I get audio issues however it boots up and does not crash. At +200mhz and -40 I get crashes, seems stable if I lower to +125mhz. Do you think i should stay with +200 and reduce undervolt, could that work?
@@teddyoflove5897 All of you cores will definitely not be able to do +200mhz with -40 co undervolt, not happening. What you need to do is finding the "bad-cores"cores and assign them lower CO. Bad cores = -15 while the best cores can do -35 for example.
I prefer the oldschool way of OC :allcore OC ,fixed voltage . For example 8c/16t @5,5ghz 1,25V . I wish this method was included in this video.
Can you do that with this CPU? 7800x3d doesn't allow it right? Manual overclock i mean
Yes, the 9800X3D allows for manual overclocking
@@goca4451 Yes you can with 9800x3d .
@@SkatterBencher what would the max fps gains when gaming on FPS games(csgo） compared to the stock and stock ram?
Surely depends what you're trying to accomplish. I old skool clocked my 5900x and got great benchmark runs... Left it like that for 2 years.... I recently played around with the curve and although it benchmarks worse....it gets better gaming fps, so going to follow this for the 9800x3d I installed today 😮
I bought a 7700 made in China on Aliexpress, to test the veracity of the fact that they have a lot of undervolt margin. I also have a 7800x3d (stable up to -20 on prime95) and a 7700x (stable at -27 on testmem5, prime95 small etc). Well this 7700 unlocked at 142w and pbo offset +200 and curve optimizer -60 I can't make it crash in any stress test. I'm at 1.24v At 5550mhz all core in floating point with -60 curves. Incredible Chinese production. I hope in a 9800x3d made in China.
For those who want to try it, there is no guarantee that something made in China will arrive even if you get it from Ali
I did strategy 2 before watching this video but with a -20 curve optimizer. I didn't even consider I can get as low as 40.
-50 is the limited ... and then you can still stack it with up to -30 Curve Shaper
@@SkatterBenchermine didn’t do so well after -41. Prime 95 was doing weird stuff anything below.
Hello Man, Amazing work you did! one question. can we use the numbers you give at the end of your tutorial are those safe or do we have to go gradually every step and test the stability being that not all 9800x3Ds are equal? I know is a noob question but overclocking could be such a time consuming process and I would love to shorten the process by following the wonderful work you did!
I wouldn't recommend copying the settings directly, but you can use the guide's process and see what works for your system. I'd do the strategies one be one (since they get more complex every step)
I had alot of success yesterday after building. my Curve was per core based I got lucky because I was having trouble going above -15 all core. One simple comment on reddit made me gable a try and -40 on some cores and half the other cores -15 stable. Then got lucky too with a stable 2200 IF after last noight stress testing OCT Vram CPU+ram combo test with OCCT. Watching alot of videos discovered why I did have issues is cause I wasnt feeding certain parts more voltage. I was going off auto.
-40 Curve Optimizer was unstable for me and gave me massive freeze frames in Elden Ring. Now running -35. Great video! love all the info combined with the straight to the point instructions on how to set everything up.
I'd like to see more content about how low the CPU power consumption can go without compromising too much stock performance.
Why not include any multiplier overclocking since 9800x3d is the first unlocked x3d chip? Derbauer tried and managed to get 5.4 ghz all core easily, I hoped you would mix it with curve optimizer to a greater height but I don't see any mention of it in the video. Open multiplier is the best news because async clock mode and an expensive motherboard that support async clock mode is not needed this time to overclock 9800x3d, is it not?
its not that, 3d cache somehow limiting overclock bcs its there beside the cpu and could be damaged with high temp/ voltage
its amd workaround to get better fps without knowledge of overclocking and proven, once again, working well on their ryzens
intel usually just raising mhz and sell it
As far as gaming is concerned his method is faster
@@rdmz135 how is it faster? he's not even using the unlocked multipliers...
It's a good point! I did quickly try ~5.5G with a static overclock but it wasn't quite stable. And then I ran out of time to prepare the guide.
Is this OC safe to run on a daily basis?
are you planning to do a skatterbencher episode on 285K/265K/245K?
Yep, have a 285K and 245K test system set up. It's taking a bit more time yet because I'm still ironing out the OC Strategies :)
@@SkatterBencher Lol. Np bro. We know how trash they are.
@@nexxustyLOL yep.
Can you please do an undervolt of Arrow Lake CPUs, particularly the 285k or 245k, and run them at stock undervolted, undervolted with minor downclock to get max efficiency and undervolt + overclock + tuning and other optimizations?
Who cares about Intel ultra slow?
I am working on an OC guide which will include undervolting but not so sure about including "max efficiency"
@@SkatterBencher Sure, undervolt at stock or slightly below stock speeds is also great.
Great video! what are your thoughts on the EXPO Tweaked profile? would that be like a an easy way of getting most of the performance without too much manual tweaking?
It's a good feature. I've had mixed results in terms of stability and performance gains, but it's something I will always try. If it works, it will give better performance :)
@SkatterBencher tested expo 1, 2 and tweaked earlier in aida64 and the tweaked profile offers some pretty good improvements in read & write speed as well as latency, also runs very stable on my system
idk if you have a Aorus x870e elite wifi 7 by chance but id love to see a step by step to do this setup . its kinda the same theres some things like the ai stuff doesnt show up on my mobo with the newest bios
Hi I'm doing the last strategy but i cant make it stable unless i set the max and high curve shaper from 15 to 25 but when i do that i loose performance. Any other way i can stabilize?
Hello SkatterBencher,
Yet another banger video. I have been following you ever since I got my first AMD CPU which was the 5900x and I have a quick question. For me as a gamer I care about the maximum performance for gaming and I asked the same question on the 7800x3d video of yours but I am in need to ask again since this time the OC Strategy in this case #2 seems to cover way more options such as Fmax, Scalar and such which I believe is because you can actually overclock this CPU which was previously not possible in the same way with the 7800x3d.
Would you therefor actually recommend (for gaming purposes) to use FMAX and Scalar as shown in the video or was this done to show the ALL core boost performance and should I as a gamer just stick to the 7800x3d setup which was to enable PBO, EXPO and then tune my cores with a negative curve?
My full setup is as following:
CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
AIO - Lian Li Galahad II Trinity Performance 360
MOBO - ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero
RAM - G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6000 - 64GB - CL30
GPU - ASUS ProArt GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER OC
I have a total of 10 fans installed in my case for maximum cooling.
Thank you so much for your fantastic videos and I hope you can answer my question.
Another question would be if PBO Scalar degrades/damages the CPU.
Will you be doing a video for the 7600X3D? If not, any older one I can refer to?
Unlikely, but you can refer to my 7800X3D guide. The process will be quite similar but of course the results will differ th-cam.com/video/90UBUq1mLGY/w-d-xo.html
Can you provide tips on lowering the voltage or temps on your curve shaper profile? I used the guide on your site and it worked amazing. Stable too. I'd like to use it 24/7. Gots to 5.723ghz. tops out at 83c during heavy gaming loads and 95 during OCCT multicore avx stress test.
Amazing X3D overclock..
Excellent overclocking Guide for true overclockers , so as usual ))
Question: would it be better to use a DDR5 6000 CL28 kit, overclock it to 6200mhz and try to tighten the timings even further or is it best to get a 6400 CL30 kit and bump it down to 6200 and try and thighten up the timings there?
6000 kit will be cheaper, so I'd go for that
its around the same price, i would like to know which option is better!
@@luisnussbaum5892 6000.
I'd love to see you team up with Der Bauer
Were these overclocks tested for errors and overall stability?
Yes, I include OCCT AVX and SSE stress test results for all strategies + obviously it passes all the benchmarks. You can read more details on my blog skatterbencher.com/2024/11/06/skatterbencher-82-ryzen-7-9800x3d-overclocked-to-5750-mhz/
As I understand it, there is a VF Curve factory preset in each 9800X3D that goes out of the factory, so they test these chips and basically tell them, how good they think they are. It also seems to me that you were able to get those values out from your CPU. How did you do this? I mean back in the days, with my Celeron 333 Mhz I did manual VF-Curves with pen and paper and really tuned it out myself with that knowledge, but that was decades ago, and it amazes me, that this is coming into normality for everyone to just fine tune it with the curves already known for your particular Processor
Yes, every CPU has some VF parameters fused onto the CPU from the factory. Based on the parameters, the CPU SMU (System Management Unit) then works out in real time what voltage and frequency to operate at.
My process for capturing the VF curve is pretty simple: I log the core frequency and VID using HWiNFO while running a light workload. Then I adjust the Fmax in the operating system to get the voltage at various frequencies. Afterwards, it just needs a little Excel processing to make the graphs.
@@SkatterBencher Thank you so much for your explanation, very much appreciated😉
Great tutorial, just a quick question on scalar 10x would this have a issue on the cpu in the long run?
In theory, maybe. But the actual impact of scalar is really limited (20-30mV in light loads) so I don't see how it could have any impact on lifespan
@SkatterBencher thank you, and it's a really helpful guide.
the undervolt will also help mitigate some of the damage caused by this
hello. great video. what is your g skill ram kit? the one in the link goes to a 48gb kit.
I have some early production model of this F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5NR.
Thanks for the heads up, I updated the link in the description too
@@SkatterBencher ty mate
@@SkatterBencher last question if u can help: would this be a good kit F5-8000J3848H16GX2-TZ5RK to test both scenarios? 6200 or 6400:2133 and 8000:2000 or it's not even worth it with the 9800x3d? i have a x870e hero as well
just tried some overclocking over the weekend
it seems like the Asus AI OC actually performed the best on my chip
tuned to 111 on the AI optimism scale
I was able to get 5.4GHz, 20,000 cinebench r23, 71C
with the async eclk and PBO I was able to get 5.4GHz, 19,700 cinebench but 82C
also my infinity fabric can't go higher than 2100mhz so my chip might not be that strong
also on my corsair 6400 cl32 expo kit I wasn't able to get the timings any better. applying the same settings would BSOD with a mem error
That score isn’t normal. You should get 23500-24000 around 5.4G.
@ hmm thabks for the heads up.
I just upgraded to win11 with a fresh install. but apparently HBU said some win11 installs crap out even when fresh.
I have no need for win11 so I'll try win10 again and see if it improves
I have a 3700X and X570 Gigabyte Elite. RAM is incredibly weird on Ryzen, to put it mildly, especially if you have 4 modules or RAM-chips (2*2*8 GB in my case). It can be stable for weeks and then all of the sudden you get a crash. Over time you notice that your POST-time increases with a few seconds and that the CPU-fan ramps up more and longer (because it is slower at checking the RAM). RAM remains a mystery on Ryzen and whatever is going on, that Infinity Fabric makes it a lot more complicated.
Wonder how this would do in games?
Any noticeable improvements in gaming workloads?
Just like other Ryzen 9000 CPUs - I see little gains in games from overclocking
What kind of gaming advantages do these oc strategies offer?
Nice deep dive. I would love to see you include undervolting and use lower tdp, something in between 7800x3d and 9800x3d stock 115-120 watts for example?!
In that case, I would simply adjust the PPT limit for any overclocking strategy
if i use a chiller and delid do you think it can go 6g all core?
It's a tough ask to get 6G stable all-core (if we're not just doing single Cinebench runs). I think it probably requires 0C at 1.4V or so ... similar to my 9700X skatterbencher.com/2024/09/11/skatterbencher-80-ryzen-7-9700x-extreme-overclocked-to-6325-mhz/
14:33 if your board don't have eclk mod, use this method
I got the latest bios update and eclk isn’t there along with a lot of other settings ..
If youre unable to use an external clock gen, what settings would you recommend for that part of the video? Thanks!
Strategy #2 or #3, or a manual fixed overclock (which I didn't cover in this video)
Had to fine tune the +15 to +17 for full stability for the 105.5 ECLK OC. Passes everything. boosting to 5.725.
6400/2200 RAM/FCLK will not be stable for most without tweaking if at at all. 6200 with very tight timings works best for me and outperforms 6400 with the tightest timings I can manage with that. Got FCLK to 2200 but required voltage tweaking 'VDD MISC' and 'SOC' to work. 6200/2066 will be an easier stable target to try first Id recommend.
I have a ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI so not quite as good a board but similar, its has the ECLK feature obviously.
Hey Richard would you be able to help me oc mine? Do you have a discord or a way to contact you?
Very Insightful, I shall have to take it one step at a time to find the limits of my 9800x3d, (silcon lotto) I do have one questions though, you have 6400 Mhz ram, but you down clock it to 6200 MHz and keep the timing. Why? and shoulsd i up the Mhz of my 6kMhz ram to 6200. What is the long term affects of running such a high OC on a CPU?
EXPO-6400 wasn't fully stable with my CPU (I guess it's the memory controller). Instead of not enabling it at all, I can stick with all the EXPO performance settings and just reduce the memory frequency once notch. It's an easy way to keep the timings while not suffering from instability.
Great content. As always. Thank you! One question. Why can't I clock more than 5.725 GHZ? Even if I set BCLK2 to 108.5 and set the Curve Shaper to all values +10 as in the video, it doesn't clock higher than 5.725. Do we have a volt/clock limit here? I use Direct Die Cooling + liquid metal. Temperatures below 62 degrees under full load. Thanks for your feedback.
Hm, this seems like a great guide. Seems like CO + 200+ Fmax is the way to go on boards without ECLK. Makes me wonder if the Gigabyte X870E Pro Ice i've been looking at has ECLK functionality..
Getting 90+ degrees running Cinebinch R24 with these settings. I used -15 to be "safe". Still 90 degrees with -20
If you want lower temperatures, there's a Precision Boost option to limit the maximum boost temp.
@@SkatterBencher I went out and bought a brand new Corsair AIO and the temps went down maybe 2 degrees. Max of 89 using Cinebench R24.
Fantastic review can't wait to try this CPU, I have one question ..I own Corsair 6000 cl30 I have 7800x3d and Asus x670e-i motherboard, I've seen several of your videos, and I've seen that you use preset RAM profiles in the BIOS, can you tell me if there is a better profile for my RAM that will give some boost? I'm already happy with the performance but if I can get a bit more I would be delighted. Thanks
Dive into Buildzoid videos, I use his timings in combination with a 7700X and it about 4-6% faster in average.
Does anyone have an issue where the CPU just will not boost to 5450? I set PBO to +200 with -25 curve, it's stable under any load i throw at it, but the core clock simply won't go higher than 5415, even though the level 3 clocks hit 5450 and the "frequency limit - global" is 5450...
I saw something similar here, so seems like normal behavior
Doing PBO2+Curve when I run Cinebench it freezes.
Would lowering the curve to 35 instead of 40 help?
Yes, that can help if too low voltage is the root cause of the instability
Wonderful stuff! How do I set the CPU to run at steady 5250Hz regardless?(trying to remove stutter/microstutter in VR)
Would be awesome if possible to post a guide for Aorus Master X870E undervolt / overclock as the BIOS is VERY different - especially for the memory part.
My 9800X3D cannot even handle the basic PBO OC.. Starting to worry that there's an issue with the CPU, as when I sent PBO on then my storage device disappears. I'm using a 990 Pro NVME on a ROG Strix x870e Gaming board.
My PC doesnt boot when I change eclk :(
Insane job. Subbed. Isn't it the best to make sure uclk runs at 3200? Doesn't setting memory to 6200 limits uclk to only work at 3100?
If you can run it, 6400/3200 would be better. However, not all CPUs can easily do that so, if it happens to me, I keep all the EXPO settings apart from dropping the memory frequency a bit.
@ good to know. Not all would be able to keep 3100 too. I just got my cpu. Gonna buy memory soon. I'm so excited to try all the stuff you mentioned. Upgrading from a 5600x haha. Can't wait
I have the crosshair x870e
So i can change pbo Settings in the Asus Menu or in the amd menu
Wich should i use ?😅
You can use either, they both refer to the same settings in the background
Cheapest am5 eclk motherboard?
Can you do a video without eBCLK, not many boards have that and there are none in smaller form factors.
What about reducing PPT manually to reduce temps?
Does the Extreme Tweaker\DRAM timing control\memory list have any 2x48GB DR presets at all? Seems like a massive oversight if not, when kits like the Corsair Titanium exist.
Same wattage shows 65c max on a direct die cooling, see derbauers video, whish you tried the max overclock of a delided 9800X3D
Up you go... Der8auer doesn´t do such extensive guides. I would be very, very, very happy for such test.
SB and Der8auer are both tipping the scales for me to upgrade from 7600 to 9800X3D, delid it and OC using SB guide :)
Plz, get that delid done and repeat a few significant tests. That thermal headroom could be very, very interesting in the extreme OC scenarios :)
@@Fr4kTh1s Derbauer is not even testing the max oc on a delided 9800X3D such a waste, 5600Mhz all core is easy and only 65c, I really don't understand why he don't try a max overclock, maybe is 5,7Ghz allcore also possible.
I have a delided 7900X and 5,6 on the fastest CCD is also the max.
@@Kirsehirli1453 It's perfectly safe to Delid ?
@@obviouslee1949 No, but you have to be carefull I already destroyed a 7950x while cleaning the CCD's
Thank you so much for the guide! Right now I have two sets of RAM and I am wondering which you think would be better for my build with the 9800X3D and ROG X870E Crosshair. One is Corsair Vengeance (Non-RGB) 6400MT/s CL32 and the other is G.Skill 7200MT/s CL34 from my current Intel build. I’m honestly not sure if the G.Skill RAM would be compatible as it is not on the motherboard’s compatible RAM list. Do you think I would get the best performance from A.) using the Corsair kit and copying the memory timing and clock adjustments you made B.) trying to run the G.Skill kit and see the best speed and timings I can get from simple EXPO or C.) copy the memory timings and clock adjustments you made but using the G.Skill kit. I that believe both RAM kits are using SK Hynix A-Dies but not 100% sure.
@SkatterBencher
Tuning the 6400 kit will probably be more straight-forward than the 7200 kit
@@SkatterBencherthank you so much!
Is the strategy 2 also applicable to tje 7800x3D? I mean boosting it to 5.2GHZ through the X670e AMD Overcloking menu.
7800x3d is 200mhz less
@ yeah but we’re talking about overclocking it here right
@@leoh18it is yeah. I would try with 150 and no 200 tho. He made the same Video for the 7000 series
For 7800X3D you can watch my guide here: th-cam.com/video/90UBUq1mLGY/w-d-xo.html
@ my mb x670e doesn’t have en eclk option , so can I skip this or is it mandatory for the setup ?
Would be cool if you look into Direct Die-cooling on this cpu.
I ended up getting the 650e taichi lite hopefully itll be good
Hi, so I just went and do the simple OC so PBO2 + Expo, just one question does go from 120 watt PPT to higher use of power right? I hope it won't make it worse for longer use, but I did gain more fps in a bunch of games I noticed.
Yes, when enabling PBO you'll use more power. I find that at worst the power is 160W, so it's still very reasonable.
Can I apply these same settings for my 9800X3D on a Crosshair X670E Hero motherboard or are these specific to X870(E)?
The overclocking process for X670E and X870E are identical.
That said, I would never recommend copying settings from the internet but rather advise to adjust the settings according to your system's capabilities
@SkatterBencher thank you for your response
Do I need a Motherboard such as the 870x hero? Wouldn't something really basic like a Asrock b650m hdv suffice?
The b650m probably doesnt support all these really fancy OC features, do they?
All boards, including B650, should support every OC strategy except for the last one with asynchronous eclk.
Yo could you do some gaming benchmarks with this setup?
best he can do is OC the iGPU in 9800x3d
If you ran 8000 memory in gear 2 would it leave more headroom to overclock the CPU?
What if i dont have the asus crosshair? can i do this with the $200 asrock x870 pro rs?
Up to the final strategy, yes.
I tried exact same settings using exact same components but can’t get it to run. The minute I change to asynchronous mode it doesn’t like it above 101? Any suggestions??
Are you changing the correct eclk in asynchronous mode? What is the behavior - just not booting up?
where is extreme theaker?
Is it possible to tune memory similarly with 32gb modules? Or are they slower?
It's possible to tune 32GB modules but the timings won't be the same. Maybe you can check Buildzoid's channel to see if he has a guide on how to tune 32GB modules
@ thank you!
Is it possible that increasing frequency w/ an OC strategy like this can somehow introduce input latency on the system (even though it's now running higher clock speeds?).
Best OC channel. What would you recommend for this ryzen DDR5 6000 or 6400?
depends on the cl
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 28 on 6000 and 30 on 6400
I have a 6000 kit that runs 6400 cl 30 and its better ofc. Lower latency. At the same time, if you do 6000 cl28 there is almost no difference
8000mhz is the best so you can match UCLK and FCLK
Whatever works with 1:1 UCLK (6400 might be a little tricky), then just optimize the sub-timings a bit.
When enabling timings for the memory you say select 6200 2x16. If I have 2 x 32 do I select still the 2x16??
Hello, I followed your settings for method 2 but its not stable. PC either completely freezes or BSOD. Do I just reduce the negative curve optimizer (-40 might be too much) or should I do something else?
40 is too much for most, start with 20, if that is stable then move to 25 etc.
my 9800X3D does not want to go above 5.425 it seems
on a tuf gaming x670e
Yes, 5425 MHz is what I'm seeing here as well. There's something preventing it from shooting to the programmed 5450 MHz but I couldn't figure out what exactly
@@SkatterBencherdid you already found this issue? I have the same think Asrock b650m HDV
did you increase die vddg iod and ccd for the fclk 2200 or both on auto (system ramped it up from default?)
Auto-rules increased it to 1.0V. I didn't touch it myself
On the okay cpus 2200 should work on default voltages which are typically under 1.0v. VDDG IOD is the one which has the most effect in FCLK stability. I run 1.27v VDDG IOD on my 8600G for 2550FCLK.
First thanks for the video :)
I just got my 9800x3d and I would like a more steady oc that high mhz. In my experience in gaming its better to have a locked cpu clock then a clock that varias.
How is that achieved in the best way with this cpu? :)
I don't have a guide on this but I believe Der8auer shows it in his video
I’m currently on 7700X and RTX4080 combo, seriously thinking of getting the 9800X3D.. performance uplift of over 30% on the same GPU? That’s crazy stuff
Just went from a 7800x3D to 9800x3d and did achieve more fps and better 1% lows, highly recommend for you too. Playing 1440p 360hz OLED panel
Hi i am getting Asus 650E F Board strix , Hope it can do similar results.
Thanks for this. I'm planning to direct die cool my 9800x3d, and this guide will certainly help me to get the most out of it. 👍
so now the cool thing now is to direct die cool? I saw derba8ers video where he delidded and hadn't guessed to see the direct die cooling kit. I thought it was pretty awesome! I have been looking into the new noctua d15 g2 lbl model, where their coolers are specifically flatter and better for ryzen, would that be the sort of cooler you run with direct die, or are you aiming for a lapped waterblock?
@ waterblock. I run a delidded 5800x3D on an AIO.
But I’m waiting for the 9950X3D. I need those extra cores sometimes.
@@kajschak I have seen it but it doesnt go into OC details like this one. I believe he just overvolts the cpu instead of undervolting like here.
@@dragonmaster391 You need a custom block and bracket for direct die, as this method of cooling does not use the IHS of the CPU. It's certainly not necessary, as the 9800x3d already runs pretty cool. I'm trying it more as a hobbyist than anything else.
@l1CappYl1 thank you, that is what I was. understanding, but it wasn't clear if the bracket allowed air coolers or if the water block was needed then. It certainly doesn't seem appealing to most users, when a d15g2 cooler with stock lid will do perfectly without risk of leaks or cpu dmg. But of course enthusiasts can't help but look at that potential danger as a welcomed challenge for something so cool. pun intended. as how the other was, I'm probably going to hold off until a 9900x3d releases, as cores are certainly a desired feature. Which will give the chance to catch up on modern cooling innovations
What should I do with the settings for 6000 MHz memory?
My question is, is it worth any of these overclocking methods for gaming?
Not very much. The best you can do for gaming is getting ram 6000-6400 and tighten the timings. That has more impact on min and max fps then 200 mhz more on the cores.
As with all things am5 and ryzen CPUs, they are pretty much at the limit. Still, why not undervolt your cpu? Less heat, less power and better boosting behavior. Its really easy to do too
@@TehShiaT11einself Thanks for the advice man, I'm going to undervolt it, less heat is always welcome!
Hey, how's it going? I've got a few questions about the 14700k and 14900k processor undervolt. How to do it right and easy
Hey! All good here! I have guides up with the 14700K and 14900K already:
14700K th-cam.com/video/1kQ8waHIjAw/w-d-xo.html
14900K th-cam.com/video/Ww_BJhz_w98/w-d-xo.html
I am unable to find the ECLK setting on my X870E AORUS PRO, is anyone able to find a workaround for this?
Is it possible to run this locked at 5.2ghz all core and then adjust voltage as low as you can stabily go?
Yes. For 5.2 GHz you probably need around 1.1V.
@@SkatterBencher Sounds about right, if I remember correctly I only needed 0.95 for 4.9GHz, which matches Zen 4 IPC at 5.6GHz. Oddly, enough this IPC match thing is only a thing for syntethic benchmarks, in gaming and what not I saw a performance regression.But in say cinebench for example zen 5 at 4.9 matches zen 4 at 5.6...
at 4:09 theres a mistake, should be 5250 and not 5500Mhz. just fyi
Good catch! Can't update the video but I'll update the blog post!
@SkatterBencher thanks 🙂
I have a 2x32Gb 6000mhz memory how i have to tweak that memory??