The fixed landing gear was for the prototype only, to accelerate in-flight testing of the wing. The production version would have had retractable landing gear.
Imagine the psychological effects alone if the Nazis got half of their crazy aircraft concepts off the ground. Alot of them still look otherworldy today, even this comparatively-normal looking plane here.
The thing I don't understand is... Why didn't they deploy the UFO tech they had? I saw it on The History Channel, so it must be true and yet they kept it under wraps. Unless they did deploy it, secretly won the war and have been puppeteering the planet from their breakaway civilisation ever since. That was on The History Channel too.
there's a reason why though, most of these don't really confer any advantage. their jet powered wing bombers would have been dangerously unstable, these forward swept wings would be very difficult to make
I definitely wonder about the shit they knew They spent money on the occult trying to use it for war so I wonder if it actually worked and gave them a little bit of insight on aviation
The ME262 existed and was a huge resource drain. While scary they are a bit like the tiger the chance of finding one was rare and even rarer was finding one crewed and working. Germay couldn't keep its normal forces supplied enough let alone supply all the wonder weapons sold by scientists that wher snake oil to keep themselves safe.
I was working for Grumman Aerospace back in the 80s and we built the X29 with a forward swept wing. It was a big deal, but nothing ever developed from it.
@@miguelcastaneda7257 Grumman, like most manufacturers " borrow" ideas from the competition. But the old Germans that put US on the Moon in 69 were retired or deceased by the mid 80s
The little rockets boosters under the wings and the right front engine are dropped after takeoff... they have a parachute to be slowed down and are reused after.
I love the 16 too. but i find the forward sweep wings and the butterfly tail really strange. My favorite illustration is the one with the normal sweep wings
It’s almost a miracle that they were able to find four Jumo 004 engines for this prototype. Not many of those engines were produced and of course, there wasn’t that many to go around
The cherry on the cake too was that they needed complete replacement only about a couple days into the engine's lifetime, due to shortage of chromium and other materials.
Funnily enought, if took less time to build early jet engine than exetremly advanced piston engine. From what i read around 800 Jumo 004 were produced, in fact more that enought for all 262 airframes. tho it took more rare metal to build jet engines.
@@P1x3lMagic Yeah, but that was for a couple test engines. But 24 hours was their average limit, barely any could make it to 72 or more hours. This was due to using lead alloy instead of chromium in the engine (for most, then again they used all kinds of metals to try to prolong the engine's life), which melted as the engine ran. Shortages of resources is what made this engine last very shortly.
Some versions of this design are in World of Warplanes. WarThunder, on the other hand, copy-pasta a hundred different versions of the Abrams tank, F-4 Phantom, etc. and is okay with that. No balls.
also, the V3 wasn't supposed to be the blueprint for the production model - the V6 was. V3 was simply supposed to be the testbed for the triple BMW 003 engine clusters and the new Ju 288-esque hull. The V3 wasn't even supposed to carry any armament yet.
Reminds me of AMC Motorcar Company the mix if leftover parts and the invention of what's needed to build the projects. 4 Jet Engines of 2 separate designs forward Mount and swept Back Wings,Forward Gunner Platform.This Jet Bomber is some piece of work.I wouldn't have liked being the first test crew and pilots of this aircraft let alone Battle!What a futuristic design.Thanks.
As always, a very watchable video with a good, pleasantly spoken narrator. One tiny moot point is when the He 177's wimgs were described as 'inverted!' Of course they are not mounted upside down which would negate lift. They are Forward Swept Wings. Wing sweep was a new and at that time during WWII were a purely Germanic concept wether they were swept back as per the Me 262, or forward swept as we see here on the prototype Ju 287V1. There were designs and metal cut at wars end, for a FSW He 162D powered by a more powerful turbine than the BMW 003 Trophy. Most likely it would have been powered by a Jumo 004G-2/3 or the Heinkel-Hirth 011. Fortunately the war ended and these slavery produced weapons were never utilised. That doesnt stop us from pondering over 'What If?' scenarios, and for a few of us mere mortals, building Radio Controlled models to see how or even if they flew. (My next project is a 120" span Arado E-555 ' Amerika Bomber' powered by a bank of EDF's. Should be interesting getting it trimmed to fly level. This is where Multiplex Radio Tx/Rx's come into their own with their very exacting programmability amd control mixing abilities.
what you described as V2 was actually the V3, the V2 was almost identical to the V1 (He 177 hull) with the exception that the tailplane assembly was slightly different and it had jumo 004 in the wings and the bmw turbojets in the front hull
@@gabelnewborn Prototype WW2 German aircraft were designated by the aircraft designation (JU287 in this case) and the letter V and a sequential number, so the first prototype would be JU287V1, the second JU287V2 and so on, it has nothing to do with the vengeance weapons.
The gray pods mounted under the engines of the JU-287 were essentially RATO pods (Rocket assisted take off) which would have been jettisoned after take-off. They would have no business being on the craft while it's doing its bomb run.
the US and Russia in the 80s did make research and prototypes with forward swept wings . it makes for very good maneuverability but required very strong materials for the wings and a lot of computer assisted controls for stability. we used carbon fiber for the wings and 3 computer flight control backups and the Soviets actually beat us with the su47, they got the model being supersonic
I built several hand and catapult-launched models...canards with forward sweep and washout on the main wings. They were among the most stable planes I ever built. The idea behind the forward sweep is that air crossing the wing tends to migrate toward the root, helping to reduce root stall tendency. When I added washout to the tips, those wings became un-stall-able from anything remotely resembling a normal flight attitude. Being a properly designed, forward CG, canard on top of that, the nose would always drop while the main wing was still fully flying. As a result, I could use an airfoil for the canard that would carry a good amount of load...getting better performance from the plane as a whole, than your standard, mushy in the front, canard. It's all in where you put the CG and angle of incidence that makes a plane stable or unstable...unstable and computer-controlled makes a plane wildly maneuverable, and that's what you want in a fighter or aerobat...check out an Extra 300 sometime!
Once more, another awesome looking video. Truly outstanding how you can produce these at such a steady pace. As for that plane here, I am just wondernig....what are those weirdly shaped things dangling from the outer jet-engines? Are these huge metal chestnuts supposed to be external fuel tanks?
Rocket boosters used for takeoffs only. After expending their fuel they'd be dropped and the parachute packs on their front would deploy to lower the slowly to the ground. They could thus be reused. They would NOT be left on the aircraft as it flew along after takeoff.
It was an interesting idea, but as even Junkers found out in their limited testing, wing flex with a forward-swept wing proved to be difficult problem to overcome.
Just a minor thing, that box on legs in front of the fin/rudder held a camera to record the flight characteristics of the prototype. There wouldn't have been any need for that to be fitted on any other subsequent craft.
LUFTWAFFE 1944: "It's an emergency, we need quick-to-produce aircraft which can be thrown into action with barely trained pilots next week". GERMAN INDUSTRY: "Let's design aircraft which will take years to develop, might be unflyable and which require 2km-long runways which aren't full of craters".
I love forward swept wing designs, and I like this one as well but oh my word it would look so much better if the landing gears were retractable The amount of drag those things must have kills me, probably limits its full potential
Can't believe you mentioned the forgotten first forward-swept wing aircraft, Belyaev DB-LK. Thank you!!! Since the soviets had much more avant-garde design aircraft, one of them is unique flying submarine aircraft. May cover about Ushakov LPL?
I think the only reason we focus on the weird Nazi designs is because they lost. What if the XP-79 had entered service? Well, not much would have changed.
Great to see new stuff I've not seen/read before, really enjoy the channel.ecen if you're from a long line of criminals as all our antipodean family, bloody poms lol.
Imagine the confusion from the allied forces after seeing this..they'll be like.. "it's over..the war is lost, the nazis invented a plane that can go back thru time" 😅
The first American jet bombers came online in 47 if the war kept going long enough to see the Nazi wunderwaffen they would of gotten a taste of ours, like atom bombs lol
There was talk that to stop the wings snapping off in turns they were going to put the engines on the wing tips to pull the wing down and stop the ends twisting upwards.
Back then in the days when speeds were a lot lower than today many airframes had swept wings, mainly to adjust the centre of gravity (look at the Tiger Moth). I think that the CG issue would have been the main advantage here given that the bomb load could be at the CG without the structural problem of having the wing spar in the same place. This is very briefly mentioned in the video.
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@@alexander1485 well, as someone who goes off paperwork and takes everything with a grain of salt, I'd give this channel an A. In today's world, if you can't do your own research, your opinion, to me, doesn't matter.
They built a large number different jet aircraft during the war... well one was built prior. Some was crayzer than the other. They made pretty much every type of aircraft jet version. Dive bomber, medium bomber (Arado Ar 234), heavy bomber (this one), heavy fighter (Me 262), multi-role fighter (He 162 and Me 328), interceptor (He 176 and Me 163 and Me 263 and Ba 349), guided missile "cruise missile" (Fi 103R and the Fi 103), Ballistic missile (Agrigate 1, 2, 3, 4 ,4B, 5 Flying wing bomber (Ho 229) test aircraft (He 178 and He 176) Anti air missile (Ruhrstahl X-4) Anti ship missile (Hs 293) Everyone in those was flown during or prior to the war. Some was built in high volume like the Fi 103 build in almost 6000 examples. If you wounder why i count a antiship missile, well it ha a wingspan of 3 meters and a length of 3½ meter and weight of a ton, was also powered. It was also man flown (via remote). And Fi 103R was onboard man flown. It is called a suicide bomber on wikipedia.. the thing is, that might not be true. It was at least never used in that way. There was 5 versions of it made, only one version was a bomber. The other was training aircraft (like jet trainers) or experimental aircraft. There was 300 Fi 103R produced, so its quite a numerous aircraft by jet standard. The non R version is a radio guided version with no pilot, pretty much a cruise missile.
The Nazi’s invested in tactical bombers to support its ground forces and didn’t think it was in their interest to finance and allocate their meagre resources in big expensive strategic bombers. It was never about not having the ability to build them. In fact Germany had a couple bombers in WW1 as big as the B17.
So I have a few things to say. First of all, I'm looking forward playing War Thunder with you again. Second, I might add, that the 287 V1 was never meant to be used beyond testing the forward swept wings. All production models would have retractable landing gear.
war thunder is the methamphetamine of video games. addictive and absolutely terrible for you but you cant help but play it for the dopamine of shooting down an enemy bomber
Thank you for the video. One nit-pik(if no one else spotted it): You show the 287 flying with the "JATO" pods attached. These were dropped when air borne.
nice video, but it bothers me that the auxiliary rockets are attached during the flight. they were used to get more speed at the start with heavy payload.
other people think that the germans technology are advance. but in my opinion their technology are actually very BACKWARD. pun intended. satire. pls dont rage.
I'm curious where you got your numbers for this plane. Wikipedia lists the top speed of the Ju287 as 347 mph (ten mph slower than the B-29, and significantly slower than many fighters than in service).
Germany turning the tide. Its like playing company of heroes, but you get +100 mp, +15 fuel and +10 ammo per minute. Your opponent gets +1250 mp, +275 fuel and +750 ammo per minute. Oh and your pop cap is 24, the opponent is 125x3
One reason and a good one for having a fixed undercarriage on a prototype is for safety, because a faulty retractable undercarriage on a test aircraft is the last thing a pilot needs to worry about.
Some great designs. I would love a deep dive on that Salamander, it looked very interesting. Of course we'll keep mum on how many German (war criminals) ended up designing things for the allies and soviets after the war, it's well known.
a device for something calles"RATO" or "Rocket assisted take-off2 basically if the plane is to heavy to lift off you use these things to give it the push to make it fly. they drop off after the fuel of the rocktes run out and then a parashute opens at the front so you have a chance to retreat them and maybe even reuse them but im not shure about that.
War Thunder: just.... no. DCS World: yes. IL2: yes. One thing.. this plane would not have kept it's rato pods on the engines.. they would have dropped and used their parachutes (stowed in the bump on the front of them)
One thing, you guys should have used the B-17, not the B-29 in comparison to German Bomber bomb load capacity since that was the USAAF work horse in the European Theater. One a few B-29s made it there and only late in the war.
why are the RATO pods not jetisoned after take off and it is missing one of them? or if there was a time constraint or some other issue it is no biggie, just a small nitpick, great video none the less!
The RATO pods are jettisoned when their fuel is expended. The bundle at the front of them is a parachute and they are recovered, refuelled and used again
With the way that early turbojets guzzled fuel, they designed a bomber that couldn't reach the target and return. The B-17, 24, 25, 26 and 29 all look like better investments.
Hello Found & Explained. My name is Freja (Also known as FrejaSEOfficial before I had to change all my details due to having fallen for a fraud) I have been a watcher since before the flying nuclear-powered aircraft carrier concept video. I have also loved aviation since my childhood. I'm Swedish and as many people know we've made many interesting crafts. I also play war thunder and I'd love to squad up at some point.
Errrrrr. I don't think it flew backwards. However, the wings were seen to fly backwards. The reverse sweep of the wings was an error by a runken draughtsman that did get caught until the prototype was nearly complete. Thanks for creating and uploading this video!
Ju-287s with 3cm-5cm cannons will shred the Bombers and also the escorts except for the F-47N (Pre 1948 P-47N) if deployed to Europe which combines the performance and armour of the F-47M (Pre 1948 designation P-47M) with the endurance of an F-51D or F-51H Mustang. Although the Ju-287 might have a problem if it were to meet the F-80 Shooting Star which has a speed of 560 mph. Therefore Ju-287 needs an escort if it were to be up against an allied airbase defended by F-80 Shooting Star or RAF/RAAF Gloster Meteror's
Sir please make video on Indian LCH. The LCH is the only attack helicopter in the world that can land and take off at an altitude of 5,000 metres (16,400 ft), which makes it ideal to operate in the high altitude areas of the Siachen glacier. please sir 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Very good film from "What if" genre. But there is on common wrong assumption at the start all so called "Luftwaffe 46". In late 44 German industry was oan its last legs - with no resources and ruined industry. There were common problems with simple alloys and other materials as rubber etc. Additional in industry and military management ruled chaos and clash of powers and authorities. And Adolf messed to. For e.g. Britts had better, more reliable jet engines and better fuselage in Comet, but they rather builded numbers of Spits and Mosquitos then unproven fighter (despite Whittles jet propulsion system was at the time few times better than any german jet engine, we use to this day engines similar in principles to Whittles idea, jumo enginest were dead end - dead species now). Krauts implemented Shwalbes and Comets to unprepared pilots and ground staff, without proper technical background, trained stuff, spare parts etc. They virtually put in the frontline unproven prototype, with life span of engines counted in minutes.... There were no possible way even to manufactured enough number of needed fighters to stop constant bombardment, no mention about trained fighter pilots. This was major problem even in 44. In 45 it only could delay the end.
4:20 imagine if this thing was mass produced, the horror in the eyes of the US pilots in their P-51 when they see for the first time what is essentially an F-86 in 1945, a good 5 years ahed of anything anywhere in the world at the time.
Why not have an inline, superprop aero-engine in the nose to reach takeoff speed, and a pulse jet on each wing for sustained flight? That would give you a fast, very cheap bomber, which would make no demands on the limited supply of Jumo jets. The pulse jet was a cheap, primitive jet engine which powered the V1 drone to a speed of 400 mph, but it needed a take off speed of about 90 mph for the pulse jets to work.
Junkers : let's use an advance wing design to reduce drag.
Also Junkers : fixed landing gear will do just fine.
hahah yeah
desperate times..
that is funny - and also use the most chunky ones you can find
The fixed landing gear was for the prototype only, to accelerate in-flight testing of the wing. The production version would have had retractable landing gear.
It was just a test bed, not a design for production.
Imagine the psychological effects alone if the Nazis got half of their crazy aircraft concepts off the ground. Alot of them still look otherworldy today, even this comparatively-normal looking plane here.
It's the Nazis who would be effected by these Goofy ahh planes
The thing I don't understand is... Why didn't they deploy the UFO tech they had? I saw it on The History Channel, so it must be true and yet they kept it under wraps.
Unless they did deploy it, secretly won the war and have been puppeteering the planet from their breakaway civilisation ever since. That was on The History Channel too.
there's a reason why though, most of these don't really confer any advantage. their jet powered wing bombers would have been dangerously unstable, these forward swept wings would be very difficult to make
I definitely wonder about the shit they knew
They spent money on the occult trying to use it for war so I wonder if it actually worked and gave them a little bit of insight on aviation
The ME262 existed and was a huge resource drain. While scary they are a bit like the tiger the chance of finding one was rare and even rarer was finding one crewed and working. Germay couldn't keep its normal forces supplied enough let alone supply all the wonder weapons sold by scientists that wher snake oil to keep themselves safe.
I was working for Grumman Aerospace back in the 80s and we built the X29 with a forward swept wing. It was a big deal, but nothing ever developed from it.
It also had the advantage of a lot more computing power and development than was available in the 1940's.
I think that’d be cool
Can kind of imagine and wonder if engineers weren't old Germans aka instant US citizens
@@miguelcastaneda7257 Grumman, like most manufacturers " borrow" ideas from the competition.
But the old Germans that put US on the Moon in 69 were retired or deceased by the mid 80s
You can't tell me you don't want a 3D printed version of this.
Either that or Model Kit
Would be a nice, collectible merch!
I do not.
Id rather have a 3d printed f9f panther
It's gotta be one of the ugliest aircraft I've ever seen, rather have a VVA 14
I want the full rig.
You should be up for an award for your channel my friend. Your work is state of the art.
so in your country there is an award for stupidety? explains a lot!
I think this comment is all the reward I need!
The little rockets boosters under the wings and the right front engine are dropped after takeoff... they have a parachute to be slowed down and are reused after.
I was wondering what those things were.
Love the Horten wings personally and the 162. Would love to see a video on the 162.
Same
me too
I love the 16 too. but i find the forward sweep wings and the butterfly tail really strange. My favorite illustration is the one with the normal sweep wings
Or the N9M…
Hey i found new Horten jet fighter meet Horten 10 and the Horten 13
It’s almost a miracle that they were able to find four Jumo 004 engines for this prototype. Not many of those engines were produced and of course, there wasn’t that many to go around
The cherry on the cake too was that they needed complete replacement only about a couple days into the engine's lifetime, due to shortage of chromium and other materials.
Funnily enought, if took less time to build early jet engine than exetremly advanced piston engine. From what i read around 800 Jumo 004 were produced, in fact more that enought for all 262 airframes. tho it took more rare metal to build jet engines.
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As far as I heard, first batches of 004 could work for only 8 hours.
A kind of consumable like oil filters...
@@P1x3lMagic Yeah, but that was for a couple test engines.
But 24 hours was their average limit, barely any could make it to 72 or more hours.
This was due to using lead alloy instead of chromium in the engine (for most, then again they used all kinds of metals to try to prolong the engine's life), which melted as the engine ran.
Shortages of resources is what made this engine last very shortly.
What? Plenty of 004's were made.
Funnily enough, I'm still waiting for the Ju-287 to be added to war thunder. They had it on a list of planned vehicles back in 2014.
OMG me too. I guess we are the few people that still want this as it is a not that popular plane.
That and the 262HG (also on that roadmap) would really round out the German tree.
It's not a bomber, but a configuration research aircraft
I am also waiting haha
Some versions of this design are in World of Warplanes.
WarThunder, on the other hand, copy-pasta a hundred different versions of the Abrams tank, F-4 Phantom, etc. and is okay with that. No balls.
also, the V3 wasn't supposed to be the blueprint for the production model - the V6 was. V3 was simply supposed to be the testbed for the triple BMW 003 engine clusters and the new Ju 288-esque hull. The V3 wasn't even supposed to carry any armament yet.
correction: The V3 wasn't even supposed to have the triple BMW:s, it was supposed to have two engines in front hull and four in the wings
Reminds me of AMC Motorcar Company the mix if leftover parts and the invention of what's needed to build the projects.
4 Jet Engines of 2 separate designs forward Mount and swept Back Wings,Forward Gunner Platform.This Jet Bomber is some piece of work.I wouldn't have liked being the first test crew and pilots of this aircraft let alone Battle!What a futuristic design.Thanks.
That SU-47 is a very impressive jet plane.
As always, a very watchable video with a good, pleasantly spoken narrator.
One tiny moot point is when the He 177's wimgs were described as 'inverted!' Of course they are not mounted upside down which would negate lift. They are Forward Swept Wings. Wing sweep was a new and at that time during WWII were a purely Germanic concept wether they were swept back as per the Me 262, or forward swept as we see here on the prototype Ju 287V1.
There were designs and metal cut at wars end, for a FSW He 162D powered by a more powerful turbine than the BMW 003 Trophy. Most likely it would have been powered by a Jumo 004G-2/3 or the Heinkel-Hirth 011. Fortunately the war ended and these slavery produced weapons were never utilised. That doesnt stop us from pondering over 'What If?' scenarios, and for a few of us mere mortals, building Radio Controlled models to see how or even if they flew. (My next project is a 120" span Arado E-555 ' Amerika Bomber' powered by a bank of EDF's. Should be interesting getting it trimmed to fly level. This is where Multiplex Radio Tx/Rx's come into their own with their very exacting programmability amd control mixing abilities.
7:03 i would love to see a he-162 video! i've just recently found the channel and i've been binging, keep up the great work!!!
Welcome aboard! There is a lot to get through
@@FoundAndExplained thank you! it's all incredible work :)
what you described as V2 was actually the V3, the V2 was almost identical to the V1 (He 177 hull) with the exception that the tailplane assembly was slightly different and it had jumo 004 in the wings and the bmw turbojets in the front hull
Wrong. V1 codename for the self-propelled warhead.
V2 vodename for the rocket.
V3 codename for the never build canon
@@gabelnewborn Prototype WW2 German aircraft were designated by the aircraft designation (JU287 in this case) and the letter V and a sequential number, so the first prototype would be JU287V1, the second JU287V2 and so on, it has nothing to do with the vengeance weapons.
@@sadams12345678 thank you😂
The gray pods mounted under the engines of the JU-287 were essentially RATO pods (Rocket assisted take off) which would have been jettisoned after take-off. They would have no business being on the craft while it's doing its bomb run.
the US and Russia in the 80s did make research and prototypes with forward swept wings . it makes for very good maneuverability but required very strong materials for the wings and a lot of computer assisted controls for stability. we used carbon fiber for the wings and 3 computer flight control backups and the Soviets actually beat us with the su47, they got the model being supersonic
But even that never went past the prototype stage.
I built several hand and catapult-launched models...canards with forward sweep and washout on the main wings. They were among the most stable planes I ever built. The idea behind the forward sweep is that air crossing the wing tends to migrate toward the root, helping to reduce root stall tendency. When I added washout to the tips, those wings became un-stall-able from anything remotely resembling a normal flight attitude. Being a properly designed, forward CG, canard on top of that, the nose would always drop while the main wing was still fully flying. As a result, I could use an airfoil for the canard that would carry a good amount of load...getting better performance from the plane as a whole, than your standard, mushy in the front, canard.
It's all in where you put the CG and angle of incidence that makes a plane stable or unstable...unstable and computer-controlled makes a plane wildly maneuverable, and that's what you want in a fighter or aerobat...check out an Extra 300 sometime!
Once more, another awesome looking video. Truly outstanding how you can produce these at such a steady pace.
As for that plane here, I am just wondernig....what are those weirdly shaped things dangling from the outer jet-engines? Are these huge metal chestnuts supposed to be external fuel tanks?
Rocket boosters. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_HWK_109-500
Rocket boosters used for takeoffs only. After expending their fuel they'd be dropped and the parachute packs on their front would deploy to lower the slowly to the ground. They could thus be reused. They would NOT be left on the aircraft as it flew along after takeoff.
A video on the He162 would be great, especially including the conceptual variants, in a D version with V-tail and forward swept wings
Had the privilege of seeing one in Berlin. Tiny, tiny thing, especially compared to the B-17 I've walked around. Can't imagine flying one.
It was an interesting idea, but as even Junkers found out in their limited testing, wing flex with a forward-swept wing proved to be difficult problem to overcome.
Just a minor thing, that box on legs in front of the fin/rudder held a camera to record the flight characteristics of the prototype. There wouldn't have been any need for that to be fitted on any other subsequent craft.
Notice some of the designs german engineers came up towards the end of the war were seen in later aircraft developed by the Soviet Union and the U.S.
LUFTWAFFE 1944: "It's an emergency, we need quick-to-produce aircraft which can be thrown into action with barely trained pilots next week".
GERMAN INDUSTRY: "Let's design aircraft which will take years to develop, might be unflyable and which require 2km-long runways which aren't full of craters".
I love forward swept wing designs, and I like this one as well but oh my word it would look so much better if the landing gears were retractable
The amount of drag those things must have kills me, probably limits its full potential
It was just a testbed, so they had no time and resources to develop retractable landing gear.
@@KF99 also the last thing you wanted to happen as a test pilot at those time is to have both an engine AND wheel extraction malfunction
@@MrSheckstr but in some cases (especially if you have to land in the nearest field after engine failure) belly landing could be safer.
This experimental plane was something of a "bitza": some parts were off planes like the 'He 177' and the U.S. "B-24".
Nice job again nick. Always a pleasure. Can you do one on the viggen? I've been looking into it alot here lately its a afterburner fixed to a fuselage
Dark Skies made a video about Viggen just lately IIRC.
@@eesti919 DS is about 30% the quality though
Can't believe you mentioned the forgotten first forward-swept wing aircraft, Belyaev DB-LK. Thank you!!!
Since the soviets had much more avant-garde design aircraft, one of them is unique flying submarine aircraft. May cover about Ushakov LPL?
I think the only reason we focus on the weird Nazi designs is because they lost.
What if the XP-79 had entered service? Well, not much would have changed.
Reverse the wing 'going forward' in sweep, and you have, the Boeing B-47! Which served SAC for eleven years.
Great to see new stuff I've not seen/read before, really enjoy the channel.ecen if you're from a long line of criminals as all our antipodean family, bloody poms lol.
"We don't have enough fuel or pilots to make these effective"
"Yes but I still want them"
Imagine the confusion from the allied forces after seeing this..they'll be like.. "it's over..the war is lost, the nazis invented a plane that can go back thru time"
😅
Don’t give the nazis too much credit now. The allies were very resilient
The first American jet bombers came online in 47 if the war kept going long enough to see the Nazi wunderwaffen they would of gotten a taste of ours, like atom bombs lol
As for advanced the b29 set the template for airliners to the modern day and was operational in huge numbers by '45
The three rocket pods are jettisoned just after take off.
There was talk that to stop the wings snapping off in turns they were going to put the engines on the wing tips to pull the wing down and stop the ends twisting upwards.
Back then in the days when speeds were a lot lower than today many airframes had swept wings, mainly to adjust the centre of gravity (look at the Tiger Moth). I think that the CG issue would have been the main advantage here given that the bomb load could be at the CG without the structural problem of having the wing spar in the same place. This is very briefly mentioned in the video.
Oh shit, 23 minutes ago? I just found this channel and I'm subbing if I haven't already. This channel is...amazing, to say the least
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Ok yea, now I'm subbed. This channel is solid, as far as I can tell so far. Hopefully you, narrator, and the team behind you (I'm assuming there is one) keeps pumping out great videos such as this one. Much props to y'all. And thank you, for keeping me both entertained, and knowledgeable on thing most people don't even think about
they also have an other channel about space.:)
I would say this channel has great contwnt but I am a bit biased because it is Probably my favorite channel
He misspronounces some words due to his aussie accent. Some facts arent straight too. Id give it a B... the channel.
@@alexander1485 well, as someone who goes off paperwork and takes everything with a grain of salt, I'd give this channel an A. In today's world, if you can't do your own research, your opinion, to me, doesn't matter.
@@luc_8710 which channel specifically ?
I didn't expect this to be an actual aircraft, thought it was just a paper concept.
They built a large number different jet aircraft during the war... well one was built prior. Some was crayzer than the other. They made pretty much every type of aircraft jet version. Dive bomber, medium bomber (Arado Ar 234), heavy bomber (this one), heavy fighter (Me 262), multi-role fighter (He 162 and Me 328), interceptor (He 176 and Me 163 and Me 263 and Ba 349), guided missile "cruise missile" (Fi 103R and the Fi 103), Ballistic missile (Agrigate 1, 2, 3, 4 ,4B, 5 Flying wing bomber (Ho 229) test aircraft (He 178 and He 176) Anti air missile (Ruhrstahl X-4) Anti ship missile (Hs 293)
Everyone in those was flown during or prior to the war. Some was built in high volume like the Fi 103 build in almost 6000 examples.
If you wounder why i count a antiship missile, well it ha a wingspan of 3 meters and a length of 3½ meter and weight of a ton, was also powered. It was also man flown (via remote). And Fi 103R was onboard man flown. It is called a suicide bomber on wikipedia.. the thing is, that might not be true. It was at least never used in that way. There was 5 versions of it made, only one version was a bomber. The other was training aircraft (like jet trainers) or experimental aircraft. There was 300 Fi 103R produced, so its quite a numerous aircraft by jet standard.
The non R version is a radio guided version with no pilot, pretty much a cruise missile.
The Nazi’s invested in tactical bombers to support its ground forces and didn’t think it was in their interest to finance and allocate their meagre resources in big expensive strategic bombers. It was never about not having the ability to build them. In fact Germany had a couple bombers in WW1 as big as the B17.
So I have a few things to say.
First of all, I'm looking forward playing War Thunder with you again.
Second, I might add, that the 287 V1 was never meant to be used beyond testing the forward swept wings. All production models would have retractable landing gear.
war thunder is the methamphetamine of video games. addictive and absolutely terrible for you but you cant help but play it for the dopamine of shooting down an enemy bomber
It's almost fun. LoL 🤣
oh how right you are. cant wait for the update today
Try factorio
@@ok0_0 and if that is to much try Mindustry
The fact you say 'aluminum' and 'aluminum' made me smile. a WT match with you would be awesome!
('Aluminum' came first: the 'i' was added later)
Found and explained is a great channel, I hope you or more continue the channel. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the video. One nit-pik(if no one else spotted it): You show the 287 flying with the "JATO" pods attached. These were dropped when air borne.
Is that the gray pods under each engine?
@@pilotman012 Yes, they used them on several types of aircraft. Hypergolic propellant not solid fuel.
The bag on the front were parachutes for soft landing.
nice video, but it bothers me that the auxiliary rockets are attached during the flight. they were used to get more speed at the start with heavy payload.
other people think that the germans technology are advance. but in my opinion their technology are actually very BACKWARD.
pun intended. satire. pls dont rage.
He 162 and Hs 132 are my favorite planes "if it been produced" (take a look for the second Henschel 132)
I'm curious where you got your numbers for this plane. Wikipedia lists the top speed of the Ju287 as 347 mph (ten mph slower than the B-29, and significantly slower than many fighters than in service).
Germany turning the tide. Its like playing company of heroes, but you get +100 mp, +15 fuel and +10 ammo per minute. Your opponent gets +1250 mp, +275 fuel and +750 ammo per minute. Oh and your pop cap is 24, the opponent is 125x3
One reason and a good one for having a fixed undercarriage on a prototype is for safety, because a faulty retractable undercarriage on a test aircraft is the last thing a pilot needs to worry about.
The only TH-camr who actually plays the sponsor game (maybe because the game is goated)
A huge 👏 for both this amazing YT Channel and these really smart comments writers!!!
A joy for me, both for watching and reading.
Right before the warthunder placement it said that the payload was only 3tons
That 'Hittler' guy, he was really into planes!
Some great designs. I would love a deep dive on that Salamander, it looked very interesting.
Of course we'll keep mum on how many German (war criminals) ended up designing things for the allies and soviets after the war, it's well known.
Maybe I missed it but what were the things attached to the bottom of the engines?
Starthilfe RATO, detachable rocket boosters that would detach and land on their own parachutes after the plane had taken off.
a device for something calles"RATO" or "Rocket assisted take-off2 basically if the plane is to heavy to lift off you use these things to give it the push to make it fly. they drop off after the fuel of the rocktes run out and then a parashute opens at the front so you have a chance to retreat them and maybe even reuse them but im not shure about that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_HWK_109-500
Well this is close to the Luft '46 stuff. I really do think it would be an interesting series.
War Thunder: just.... no. DCS World: yes. IL2: yes. One thing.. this plane would not have kept it's rato pods on the engines.. they would have dropped and used their parachutes (stowed in the bump on the front of them)
One thing, you guys should have used the B-17, not the B-29 in comparison to German Bomber bomb load capacity since that was the USAAF work horse in the European Theater. One a few B-29s made it there and only late in the war.
why are the RATO pods not jetisoned after take off and it is missing one of them? or if there was a time constraint or some other issue it is no biggie, just a small nitpick, great video none the less!
The RATO pods are jettisoned when their fuel is expended. The bundle at the front of them is a parachute and they are recovered, refuelled and used again
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN ah, perhaps they are saving them to go quicker in flight
Definitely please do a video on the HE-162. Thanks for all you do. The videos are great
The bomber that would have flown backwards if it were actually build and deployed.
With the way that early turbojets guzzled fuel, they designed a bomber that couldn't reach the target and return. The B-17, 24, 25, 26 and 29 all look like better investments.
"let me know if you want a video on that as well." YES ITS ALWAYS YES!
Hello Found & Explained. My name is Freja (Also known as FrejaSEOfficial before I had to change all my details due to having fallen for a fraud) I have been a watcher since before the flying nuclear-powered aircraft carrier concept video. I have also loved aviation since my childhood. I'm Swedish and as many people know we've made many interesting crafts. I also play war thunder and I'd love to squad up at some point.
A shame that the one that my SAS commando team stole was shot down by a P-51.
It's from the video game hidden and dangerous deluxe on steam.
Was it really that fast with the non retractable landing gear?
0:08 what’s the bigger flying wing? It’s not the Arado AR E 555
Errrrrr. I don't think it flew backwards. However, the wings were seen to fly backwards. The reverse sweep of the wings was an error by a runken draughtsman that did get caught until the prototype was nearly complete. Thanks for creating and uploading this video!
Thanks!
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With the landing gear being as big as it is, you'd think that would affect the aerodynamics needed to outrun Allied fighters.
Maybe a video on the TA-183 Huckebein, it had plans for Air to air missiles.
I would enjoy seeing a Heinkel HE 162. Includ all of the deferent designs. Start to the last one.
My man, the P-400 is just a P-40 with a Zero on its tail!
Just kidding, I respect your choice.
I remember playing Hinden and Dangerous games and mission of capturing this plane from airport.
Great job with the video ;)
What are the two 'tanks' under the wing engines and the starboard front engine?
I'd like to see an He 162 video, doesn't seem to be a lot of info on them around.
Ju-287s with 3cm-5cm cannons will shred the Bombers and also the escorts except for the F-47N (Pre 1948 P-47N) if deployed to Europe which combines the performance and armour of the F-47M (Pre 1948 designation P-47M) with the endurance of an F-51D or F-51H Mustang. Although the Ju-287 might have a problem if it were to meet the F-80 Shooting Star which has a speed of 560 mph. Therefore Ju-287 needs an escort if it were to be up against an allied airbase defended by F-80 Shooting Star or RAF/RAAF Gloster Meteror's
Why did you use the B29 in the comparison? The b17 saw the most action in ETO. The 29 was mostly used in the PTO .
410 mph faster than any allied counterpart.?? The Mosquito had been knocking around for a few years by that time.
What a cool bomber design.
Wait what happened to the prototypes taken by the Soviets? Are they on display somewhere?
I’d love to see more on the ME 162
I would really like a video on the salamander.
Shouldn't it be compared to the B17 and not the B29? Since the B29 arrived late in the war and mainly saw action in the Pacific.
The b-17 is a 1935 design, the B-29 is a 1942 design, the Ju-287 is a 1943 design.
Ain't no way is it comparable to an 8 year old plane by that point.
@I game I do research too be that as it may but the B29 wasn't in the European theater
@@papabeartx That's true but it still is the appropriate allied counterpart for the Ju-287
Going supersonic without retractable landing gear lol
What was mounted under the engines on the first model???
Sir please make video on Indian LCH. The LCH is the only attack helicopter in the world that can land and take off at an altitude of 5,000 metres (16,400 ft), which makes it ideal to operate in the high altitude areas of the Siachen glacier.
please sir 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Great and interesting video about this aircraft, please make a video about the Heinkel He 163.
Can you please make a video on rods from God?
it's a very interesting project of the cold war
Very good film from "What if" genre. But there is on common wrong assumption at the start all so called "Luftwaffe 46". In late 44 German industry was oan its last legs - with no resources and ruined industry. There were common problems with simple alloys and other materials as rubber etc.
Additional in industry and military management ruled chaos and clash of powers and authorities. And Adolf messed to. For e.g. Britts had better, more reliable jet engines and better fuselage in Comet, but they rather builded numbers of Spits and Mosquitos then unproven fighter (despite Whittles jet propulsion system was at the time few times better than any german jet engine, we use to this day engines similar in principles to Whittles idea, jumo enginest were dead end - dead species now). Krauts implemented Shwalbes and Comets to unprepared pilots and ground staff, without proper technical background, trained stuff, spare parts etc.
They virtually put in the frontline unproven prototype, with life span of engines counted in minutes....
There were no possible way even to manufactured enough number of needed fighters to stop constant bombardment, no mention about trained fighter pilots.
This was major problem even in 44. In 45 it only could delay the end.
Good Video but the "He" and "Me" and "You"??? What was Focke Wulf's Butcher Bird called the "Fwuh-190"?.......
Can you make video about schwerer gustav connon gaman
4:20 imagine if this thing was mass produced, the horror in the eyes of the US pilots in their P-51 when they see for the first time what is essentially an F-86 in 1945, a good 5 years ahed of anything anywhere in the world at the time.
Really liked the video please keep them coming
See you there. thanks for covering this obscure bird
ah yes Junkers, the German company who always uses fixed landing gear for all aircraft even though they want speed
Love to see a video of the he162
Like Matthias I want to know what those strange 🤔 looking objects are on three of the proposed engines?
What can you tell us about the Dornier 335 Pfiel aircraft. Is there any still around? If so, where? 😃👍
Why not have an inline, superprop aero-engine in the nose to reach takeoff speed, and a pulse jet on each wing for sustained flight? That would give you a fast, very cheap bomber, which would make no demands on the limited supply of Jumo jets. The pulse jet was a cheap, primitive jet engine which powered the V1 drone to a speed of 400 mph, but it needed a take off speed of about 90 mph for the pulse jets to work.
Finally, someone who can pronounce "Junkers" correctly!!
"Junkers" living up to it's name
As a German. I wouldn't know what would happened, when this would be in service during WW2. But it has a very interesting history.