@@akshatshah6806 We almost got something like that, except it wasn't Terry.....it was Damian Wayne. It was also set 10 years after knight and would be reminiscent of Batman Beyond.
I think this game makes 10000x more sense if you consider that WB were apparently working on a TMNT game for a while, with rocksteady distancing themselves from it. This game would make more sense in its concept if it was developed from the skeleton of that scrapped TMNT game, given the four characters etc
.... I hadn't heard about this before, and now I dearly wish I lived in the timeline where we got that game. Sure, it might have been as mid as this is to play, but honestly? A turtle game on this level of graphical fidelity and without the nagging comparison to Batman games of old as you play... probably wouldn't have ended up WELL, but I can see people enjoying it more due to it being a rare big budget TMNT game.
@@NicknameJytown It's a figure of speech. It means that The Avengers were so horrible to say that something is better than that particular game is to say nothing. It'd be more of a challenge to find something worse.
This is not the legacy Batman wanted to leave behind. It goes to show how Arkham Knight was a near perfect videogame, even 8 years later it still looks and plays so much better than these mediocre next gen titles.
@@jediuser8654does it make you uncomfortable knowing that gamers like the Completionists say that the Batmobile wasn’t a bad addition to the game
So let me get this straight: Nightwing is Leonardo, Batgirl is Donatello, Red Hood is Raphael and Robin is Michelangelo? The colors even (almost) match up! Edit: and Alfred is Master Splinter
The game could be easily ported to ps4 not even mentioning ps4 pro The only impressive looking thing in the game is the curves of nightwings ......💀 Without context you can tell someone gotham knights came in 2015 and arkham knight came in 2020
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the game. I loved the character dynamics with our heroes, but the villains were ass, and the the game wasn't much fun to play. Unsurprisingly, I deleted this from my PS5 right after finishing it. Also, congrats on 200K subs J!
Same, and I found the controls extremely awkward and crap, I thought maybe it was because I wasn’t used to them and decided to give it a chance, but then I realised it wasn’t me not being used to the controls, the game was just bad
you have PERFECTLY described the issue with the combat.. all they need to do is litterally just add a counter, and speed up the animations. it would fix the combat.
@@fatmanjstyle5306 Well, those elemental energy was coming from their gadgets and equipment, not their actual physical bodies and fighting styles. I was talking about “realistic” in terms of how they move around.
As meh as this game is it has my favourite Batman line ever. Where he sacrifices himself the second time ending with "you're not going to use this Lazarus pit..... because I won't let you". He was so badass saying that. And with the redub that someone did using ai for Conroy's voice, dare I say I cried a little. Especially now that he's gone.
I'm sure they aren't the first team to fit these archetypes, but J's description of the archetypes the Knights fall under makes them sound like knockoffs of the ninja turtles, only with an eager younge member rather than comedic relief.
Even the colours nearly match. Night wing the leader (blue as leonardo) and Jason as the brutish one (red as Ralp). Barabara doesn’t really fit with Don since they’re all extremely intelligent, but close enough (and purple like him.
If you look at the Digital Foundry review for the PC version, you'll find that the performance woes are because of piss-poor CPU utilization. It explains why the last gen versions were cancelled and the next gen versions were capped at 30. Something must've went horribly wrong during the development of this game, most likely executive interference pushing the game for a certain release date before they could iron out all the issues.
I think the other thing to mention here, is that the stats themselves are never explained. The GOW system actually tells you what damage/ defense will increase with each build. This is just numbers for the sake of numbers.
My issue with people who review this game is the immediate comparison to the Arkham series, even after everyone always admits that this isn't by any means related or trying to be. If you play it on its own it's not as bad. When you compare it to a series you already love, that it's not trying to be, it will disappoint almost Everytime
Great vid. My problem with the game, not wanting to be seen as being part of the Arkham universe was the fact that they literally took the story beat from the end of Arkham Knight with batman “dieing” after calling in the knight protocol or whatever it was called. Think that really blurred the lines for some folk
Yeah I cannot stand that "well we're doing something new" and all that's new is a horrible leveling and stat system that doesn't work with the game. Besides that it IS an Arkham game.
Tbh I enjoyed this game. I understand the flaws with it but to me it's really cool to get to play as these characters as a video game and DC fan, and as a comic book fan, seeing all three robins and batgirl interact is just really cool as we don't see that as often as I'd like. It may not be as good as arkham but it's still a fun as hell game, and it especially just feels like a game that loves the comics it's based on. It really feels like they focused on keeping the game just fun, even if it's not polished.
i agree. i enjoyed my time with it and playing co-op definitely made it more fun. i still feel like people were too hard on it because they wanted it to be another Arkham
EXACTLY people keep trying to compare them, it pisses me off because I enjoy Gotham Knights a ton! Both great games, but in my opinion, people are ‘meat riding’ the Arkham Games, I get they were ahead of their time, but seriously? Why can’t people just enjoy a game without complaining and comparing.
2 more things that plucked my nerves. 1. Homie was using NONLETHAL rubber bullets that could shoot THROUGH enemies to hit other enemies. ..... sure. 2. When everyone isn't in costume and are wearing their street clothes, they're always seen wearing their costume colors and ONLY those colors. Like what is this? Fuckin power rangers? We know who they are, you dont have to make them dress like that when not in costume. It looks dumb.
I never played this game, because frankly the gameplay videos looked boring and the aesthetic sort of screamed "Arkham meets AAA crap." Guess I was right. Not looking forward to Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, either. It says something when a game gets delayed for a year because Kevin Conroy's final vocal performance as Batman was gated behind a live service model.
And that's we're getting Arkham on Switch; WB knows Suicide Squad is doomed, so they're giving Nintendo fans a chance to play some truly great games...even if they goofed by not re-releasing Arkham Origins as a standalone.
One thing that Gotham Knights really reminded me of is what I desire from game difficulty. In so many games the only difference I see with changing the difficulty is the enemies do more damage if they hit you. Maybe this is just me being bad at games but for me, Gotham Knights is challenging combat wise regardless of weather you play on easy or hard. And I like that. The enemies don't feel less agressive on easy compared to on hard difficulty. What I would like to see from game difficulty settings is something where maybe the enemies can't KO you in one or 2 hits but they maybe are more agressive and multiple enemies try to attack you at the same time. Maybe on an easier difficulty they come at you one at a time but are still just as agressive as they might be on hard? Idk. To me if Imma die in one to two hits in a game that just makes me not wanna play on the hardest difficulty.
This game had so much potential and it makes me incredibly sad that it didn't live up to it. I love everything about the premise and was so excited for it. The combat was so bland and tedious. I didn't hate the story but it wasn't incredible. I just wish they could get another crack at it but sadly I don't think it'll happen. Hopefully we don't have to wait so many years for the next batman game.
This game seems like it had a very troubled production. I remember WB Montréal teasing this back in 2015-16 with a photo of the devs wearing Court of Owls masks at a Christmas party. Factor in that this was suppose to be an Arkham prequel and the final game's plot feels like an Arkham Knight sequel with some rewrites to make it its own universe, leads me to think they rebooted development a few times. The latter which might explain the more lackluster visuals since they made it its own universe, they couldn't reuse Arkham Knights' Gotham, and had to rebuild it from scratch. I hope for better luck on their next game, but considering WB's change in direction for DC projects and the recent news of major studio heads leaving, might lead me to think they had to restart development.
Having finished the game with 1 character (not going to do it with all 4) it was clear this was going to be a live service game and got "re-tooled" at some point to a single player game but still with all the live service elements in place.
While the gameplay was definitely mid, the one thing I firmly believe Gotham Knights got right was the character interactions: this is the best written these characters have been since the animated TV show (and the Red Hood movie in Jason Todd's case)
And that's the problem. Gamers like you give a pass for lackluster gameplay and mechanics because of a decent story... I appreciate a good story within a game too.. but that should NEVER be the priority over GAMEPLAY. Go watch a TV series or movie for that shit.. I just want my video game to be fun before everything else
This game made me so angry. You're right. It's not a terrible game. It's just incredibly mediocre, which is what made me so upset. I'm also a Batman fanboy. Despite the harsh skepticism up to release, I really tried to stay optimistic, even when I saw the mixed reviews. I couldn't finish it, even though I put like 20 hours into it. I think if the game was downright terrible, I would have been less upset by it, but WBM only cared enough to make this game serviceable.
@@t_tmad5293same man I had 40 min left I took more time doing settings to try and do best graphics I could get I got bored after the first mission Its jus not good but for some reason I wanna finish it anyway idk lol
Listening to this, it sounds like Gotham Knights is DC's version of what Marvel's Avengers (2020). An aggressively mediocre game that could have been more than what the final product was.
I picked this up in the WB 100 year anniversary bundle. I'm about 20 hours in. If I had paid full price for this game, I'd be very upset. Having paid $15 for this, plus every Arkham game (except Blackgate), both Injustice games, 2 Mortal Kombat games, both Shadow of Mordor games, Mad Max...this game was 100% worth the money.
I’m kinda in the second act of Gotham Knights and it isn’t that horrible by any means. It does have issues like repetitive side missions, very less villains (which is shocking), clunky traversal at times (speaking of traversal, Robin's is my least favourite) which is mainly an issue in the time trial stuff and a bland story which was unfortunately built on a great premise, but otherwise it’s fine. The combat and suits are decent, the main four characters are good and their dynamics are good.
@tio_john facts! The only time I have any sort of fun in Gotham Knights is when my friends are on. Damn near impossible to have an entertaining solo session.. I boot up Arkham Knight and I'll lose track of time beating up random thugs and gliding through gotham and before I realize it an hour flew by. Damn shame how mid GK is...
I always thought this game was apart of the Arkham series so learning that it wasn't here just confuses and fascinates me more about how this game came to be
it s not about the graphics. The combat is so slow,when u are playing on pc is verry frustrating when u press the mouse and u see how your character reacts. The vehicle is slow,looks like is going verry fast but nope,it s so slow.
It sucked because it was made like a looter shooter but with fighting. Look at Division 1 & 2, great games and worlds but world is empty. You travel from place to place where a mission is and encounter a hand full of enemies in between. Thats what Gotham Knights is. Empty world with few enemies you knock out in a few seconds then travel to another place. Just not what people wanted.
I hate to say I told you so, but I knew abandoning the Arkham style combat was a huge mistake. They didn't have to make it an Arkham game, but they should have kept the counter based combat that games like Arkham, shadow of mordor and mad max used. Ultimately I wish they had made their suicide squad game and rocksteady made something else since it looks like Rocksteadys suicide squad is going to be a huge disappointment. This game was basically a photo mode expansion for Bat-family fans. I've seen a lot of really cool screenshots from this game and that's about where the positive end.
The biggest sin was that all of them already had movesets from the previous arkham games and all they had to do was polish that and release a game and they wouldve made a ton of money
One of the things that bother me the most about the game is how little villains there are in the game .. Only really have Talia,The Court of owls,Clayface,Mr.Freeze and Harley Quinn. How you gonna have all 4 knights and have very little villains??? Perfect time to put Deathstroke,Black Mask,Professor Pyg,Killer Croc ect like what tf? Maybe add goofy villains too like condiment king and Crazy Quilt.
cant say i had high hopes for this game because arkham origins sucked hard and this just shows that wb montreal dont know how to make a good game lol the closest they did was that batgirl dlc for arkham knight which was just dlc ... and the writing in gotham knights is freakin atrocious like one of those cringely gang members telling a fire alarm to shut up and to 'die die die die!!!!' lmao who wrote that ?
Its ironic how crappy this game is because WB Montréal made arkham origins which is infinitely better than gotham knights. And now the servers for the online of arkham origins just got shut down, so their trying to forget that game in favor of this cesspool. What a shame😔
The Arkham games set a gold standard and made a good formula that worked. Why would you deviate from it? If it ain't broke don't fix it. If you like it fine, but don't cope that its bad.
Played this recently, honestly don't think I'll finish it. They took away almost everything that made the Arkham games so much fun and the new things they try aren't even that great. Easily the worst Batman game.
Me too and anyone who don't like or want one don't have to play it it's simple 🤷♂️ I really want some DLC and some Batman DLC leading up to the fight in the Bat cave also.
Great video🙌🏾 Sad Indeed. I definitely remember being very hyped for this game. I loved the Arkham series so much. Unfortunately I doubt I’ll ever play this game.
As someone who has played this game twice and watched the comment section as each new trailer came out I can say the game was better than expected. Sure the combat is not exactly the same as arkham as warner bros tried something diffrent that does take awhile to ease into. However the best thing about the game is that there are no live service elements such as battle passes, junk dlc. Another good thing is that they stayed awayf from the leveling grind from avengers and made it to where it is a game with a coop option instead of makeing it a coop game. As for rocksteadys new suicide squad game which everyone praised in the gotham knights comment section that game looks like a dumpster fire.
Gotham Knights had so much potential to be amazing but man oh man the execution was so disappointing not to mentioned focusing on live service elements for this game development really didn't help anyone in the long run which includes me in this category because i was one of the few people who was excited about this game included having a bat family game fighting the court of owls would be really awesome and tons of fun but unfortnately the execution was so disappointing at least in my opinion.
The spot with the gauntlet of rooms where you stopped doing side quests is where I just full stopped playing the game. That area was fully obnoxious and the rest of the game wasn't good enough for me to forgive it.
I remember seeing some leaked concept art and other game file/coding images that showed they planned to have both Damien Wayne be in the game as well as have Batman be playable at some point, the Batmobile being a vehicle option, and other villains such as Solomon Grundy. As for if the was meant to be future dlc besides the Starro one or part of the base game, I don’t know.
It's not an arkham game, you are literally critiquing it on not being a game you liked. That's not a fair critique, it'd be like me saying I liked Spider-Man for PS4 and I did not appreciate how Gotham Knights deviated from that. They were not trying to make an arkham game, so maybe just critique its flaws as they are instead of comparing them to another game so directly.
"Overdesigned" I didnt know what I hated about the characters looks until you said that. But that's EXACTLY what it is. Just stuff on stuff "for the look". Nice eyes man.🤔👍
In a world where Spiderman 2 has come out? I don't think so. If anything people will simply gravitate more to the old arkham games especially arkham knight.
@@Pilot_Warden what’s foreign to me is that only someone with the brain of a fuxking potato would be able to play the game once let alone 3 damn times 🤦🏽♂️. You need fucking help dude 😭.
The stat system mentioned here reminds me of Dying Light 2 which i played for the first time this summer. I hate it in DL2 for all the same reasons mentioned here. It’s overwhelming, exhausting and not fun for me. I wish it wasnt a part of the game at all. I dont think its a game mechanic thats often done well.
It really looks like this was meant to be a Live Service Game, and due to how badly those have been doing they changed it, but the Systems where already there. This also looks to be the same issue that S. Squad is dealing with. Problem is Live Service Games put Monetization over Fun.
True, that kind of sucks cause the combat isn't as smooth as the Arkham games, and it was trying to be like the ninja turtles in a way, but Batgirl got cake though
The fact that there's four different playable characters, and they ALL have to be leveled-up and improved separately using grindable resources, is just dumb - that's a massive waste of time. They could've knocked it down to three by removing Batgirl from the roster, and only having three characters; once they did that, then they could also allow the player to improve the three using the same resources - like how in more classical RPGs every party member gets the same Exp. and can use mostly the same equipment (aside from weaponry), the devs here could've allowed the player to upgrade Red Hood, Nightwing and Robin without needing to grind them out individually.
There are timed strikes, and you can chain together ceitical hits, its exactly qhat you were talking about in arkham. You rime the steikes they are faster and critical
I replayed this game a few months ago and I can still say that I thoroughly enjoyed it the only downside about his game I think is that he should have more story DLC with some of his more famous villains, and definitely more costumes. Maybe explain the city a little bit more.
I tried giving Gotham Knights some chances but everytime I played, it was a mess. Either I was bored out of my mind or frustrated with the constant leveling up to where your characters are maxed out by 40 yet gear and enemies go above 60. You want a terrible Gotham Knights experience? Play Heroic Assault by yourself, you’ll immediately delete the game when you get to Level 22
The biggest issue with this game is it was clearly meant to be a live service game, but after the backlash, they backtracked from that, but the damage was already done, so the game just ended up being a pseudo-looter game.
I had to quit this game, It got pretty boring real quick with the copy and paste crimes, it didn't help that the voice acting for the thugs was atrocious, having traversals locked behind a grind fest, I can't help to think what could have been if they focused to make a great gaming experience instead of just rushing it with mobile-game like UI and other RPG mechanics.
All they had to do was flesh out the characters from arkam knight, copy , paste, and polish. That's it, improve the parkour so the traversal would make people understand the character are still human but very skilled parkourist ESPECIALLY Dick grayson. add in new grapple mechanics, allow players to switch between swinging, directly being pulled, hanging, or being lowered down or up. Make gliding for robin very fast but not far or easy to control because his cape is much smaller while also allowing him more freedom of movement, make batgirls gliding just like knights, but she goes slightly farther and glides slightly higher because she is so light letting you also glide close to the ground for longer. Give Redhood the motorcycle and NO SUPERPOWERS AT ALL, because that defeats the purpose of the batman ethos entirely. Redhood could also steal cars or maybe helicopters since his morals are more dark. Also he is VERY distant from the rest of the family even though its still all love because he still kills criminals because Nonlethal armor piercing bullets is complete bullshit. make Damien mourning his father almost a emotionaless endevour for him because he doesnt know how to handle it and seeing death since he was a kid has numbed him too it while also making it obvious that he misses Batman by maybe making him go looking for batman in a cutscene or speak as if he is still here. Alfred should be feeling like he has to stay strong for the rest of the family but also feel like he failed his ward batman. Lastly it should be a 4 player co op game. with or without 4 players, you should be albe to choose how many of you go to a mission. Its crazy how you make a game with the Batfamily but they never actually work together i mean what the fuck. This game had so much MORE POTENTIAL than arkam knight but it was doomed from the start due to the developers and publisher not understanding they already had a great formula with knight that just required polish. Not to mention it looks better aswell.
Looking back on it (and tbf, it was ragged on back then too), the fact that the batcycle drives so slowly but they added the whooshy lines around the edge of the screen to make it “seem” like you’re going fast, is probably one of the cringiest work arounds I’ve seen in modern gaming. It’s SO god damn bad. 🤦🏻♂️
This game was way more fun than I expected the legit only flaw of the game is not enough content that’s all if we was to get an expansion plus a new character it’ll do it must justice
Man yhe rpg element really killed all my hope for this game. Like its the bat family their name is their stats. The game play should be about skill for a game based on these characters. Also WHY DOES EVERYTHING WANT TO BE DESTINY damn
Honestly I enjoyed Gotham knights, it was good to see the side kicks become more main characters and the way they portrayed the grief of loosing Bruce was nice, cause at the end of the day there a family. And I get people are upset that they revived Bruce to just kill him again but the thing is it’s based of some of the movies and comics where talia did revive Bruce at one point.even with Cain all this stuff is based of the animated movies and comics, And I like how they used the under the red hood story line for Jason. My favourite part of the game though are the small cutscenes between the bat family as they are honestly really well done. And I can’t forget Bruce’s voice recordings! I love how they start at his beginning of being Batman to where he starts to break slightly via the death of Jason and paralysis of Barbara, to where he finds out Jason is alive. The last recording is bitter sweet due to what we know happens shortly after. And it makes sense why wb didn’t advertise this as much or put as much effort considering it’s not a Batman game, like it’s a Batman game without Batman. And we all know how Wb always ignores the side characters if where honest, sure we have comics but they don’t happen often
The biggest difference I’ve seen is that the Arkham games make you feel like a superhero. No slightly athletic thug is going to be able to handle a few hits from a relatively trained fighter, not to mention a barely human creature known as Batman. In the in the Gotham game you aren’t playing the almost superhuman Batman but the characters are still the best in the world. These are people trained since they were kids to to wipe the floor with the best militant operatives in existence yet somehow a random thug can take a dozen or so hits from these combatants that use batons, bullets, and gauntlets made of super strong alloys/polymers specifically designed to enhance their combat effectiveness?
I forgive this game solely dor the fact that my boy tim drake got some spotlight. God knows they are not doing him justice in the comics. (Also I really like the batfam dynamics and dialog)
As Terry Mcginnis once said, "Hey, we can't all be Batman."
They should of made a game based on him ☹️
@@Efrencit017a batman beyond game set in the Arkhamverse would've been the ideal choice
@@akshatshah6806 We almost got something like that, except it wasn't Terry.....it was Damian Wayne. It was also set 10 years after knight and would be reminiscent of Batman Beyond.
@@gazem_3211 that sounds like it good be interesting too, albeit not as promising as a batman beyond Arkham game
Ironically they did make him a clone/illegitimate son of Batman so he was batman
I think this game makes 10000x more sense if you consider that WB were apparently working on a TMNT game for a while, with rocksteady distancing themselves from it. This game would make more sense in its concept if it was developed from the skeleton of that scrapped TMNT game, given the four characters etc
Should add that the 4 characters even fit the archetypes of the turtles almost one to one...
this. i totally saw the similarities
nightwing = leo
red hood = raph
robin = donnie
batgirl = mikey
@@EclipseHedgehoglol I just commented this before I saw this. Also Alfred = splinter
.... I hadn't heard about this before, and now I dearly wish I lived in the timeline where we got that game. Sure, it might have been as mid as this is to play, but honestly? A turtle game on this level of graphical fidelity and without the nagging comparison to Batman games of old as you play... probably wouldn't have ended up WELL, but I can see people enjoying it more due to it being a rare big budget TMNT game.
It's rather Robin = Mikey, Batgirl was Donnie, because she was their tech guy, and Robin also wanted to prove himself@@EclipseHedgehog
Its really a shame it turned out the way it did , feel like it could've kicked off another superhero game resurgence where Avengers failed to do so.
Well it’s ok to say that it’s better than the avengers game
@@NicknameJytownI mean, the bar is in hell, c'mon
@@spacejasontodd what are you talking about “bar in hell”
@@NicknameJytown It's a figure of speech. It means that The Avengers were so horrible to say that something is better than that particular game is to say nothing. It'd be more of a challenge to find something worse.
@@spacejasontodd well I did enjoy Gotham knights more than avengers and the combat was way better than avengers combat
This is not the legacy Batman wanted to leave behind. It goes to show how Arkham Knight was a near perfect videogame, even 8 years later it still looks and plays so much better than these mediocre next gen titles.
Agreed
"Arkham Knight was a near perfect videogame"
no
Not with all that bland Batmobile tank BS
@@mjc0961It is not that bad.
I would agree were it not for that goddamn BATMOBILE!!!!!
But hey, at least it gets destroyed late in the- oh, come on, A SPARE!!??
@@jediuser8654does it make you uncomfortable knowing that gamers like the Completionists say that the Batmobile wasn’t a bad addition to the game
As Bruce Wayne once said: "I'm proud of you, Dick. "
So let me get this straight: Nightwing is Leonardo, Batgirl is Donatello, Red Hood is Raphael and Robin is Michelangelo? The colors even (almost) match up!
Edit: and Alfred is Master Splinter
Well Batman and Alfred are Splinter.
Lol, was just about to comment this. Blue Leader, Purple Techie, Red Hothead, and Red/Yellow Youngster.
Usually it's the Robin that doesn't fit the picture, be it Tim or Damian, but overall yes!! I've been saying that for years :D
What’s funny is Batman get brought back to life just to die again few minutes later. Story was shit imo.
That's a good accurate comparison! 😆
It’s been a year? Forgot about this immediately.
Same. I didn’t even finish the game.
The game could be easily ported to ps4 not even mentioning ps4 pro
The only impressive looking thing in the game is the curves of nightwings ......💀
Without context you can tell someone gotham knights came in 2015 and arkham knight came in 2020
@@sourlab that’s so crazy too me you could 100 percent do that. I might find someone who doesn’t really game and do that😂
@@sourlab That's not a high bar, considering that Nightwing is famous for his curves. If you can't get those right, you did something wrong.
@@smashmaster521 well still the best thing in the game
What I do like about this game is the fact that you can customize your suit
They could have done better .. it took me weeks of nonstop playing the game to get the Slade colorway.
The fact that you said the fact that shows the fact that you didn’t really need to say the fact that
Better suits in this game than spiderman tbh
@@UFCWWE69Unfortunately that’s true.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the game. I loved the character dynamics with our heroes, but the villains were ass, and the the game wasn't much fun to play. Unsurprisingly, I deleted this from my PS5 right after finishing it.
Also, congrats on 200K subs J!
This was a direct comment xD
You did better than me. I didn't even make it halfway through the game before I uninstalled it.
@@SolidSnake240 I don’t blame you.
Same, and I found the controls extremely awkward and crap, I thought maybe it was because I wasn’t used to them and decided to give it a chance, but then I realised it wasn’t me not being used to the controls, the game was just bad
Lol so I’m not alone!! As soon as I completed the main story I didn’t even give end game a shot, I was/am over it
you have PERFECTLY described the issue with the combat..
all they need to do is litterally just add a counter, and speed up the animations.
it would fix the combat.
To be fair, the slow combat was actually intentional so the Bat Family would feel like realistic vigilantes fighting street crime.
@@jaxxpool9630
We've already strayed away from so far from realism.
That just any attempt to stick to it would actually detract from experience.
@@jaxxpool9630Im pretty sure them releasing elemental energy during their attacks aren’t realistic at all. So it was never realistic to begin with.
@@fatmanjstyle5306 Well, those elemental energy was coming from their gadgets and equipment, not their actual physical bodies and fighting styles. I was talking about “realistic” in terms of how they move around.
@@jaxxpool9630how the hell it's realistic whem you puntch someone that many times? Also it's a batman game so realism should be hanging in arkham.
As meh as this game is it has my favourite Batman line ever. Where he sacrifices himself the second time ending with "you're not going to use this Lazarus pit..... because I won't let you". He was so badass saying that. And with the redub that someone did using ai for Conroy's voice, dare I say I cried a little. Especially now that he's gone.
I'm sure they aren't the first team to fit these archetypes, but J's description of the archetypes the Knights fall under makes them sound like knockoffs of the ninja turtles, only with an eager younge member rather than comedic relief.
Even the colours nearly match. Night wing the leader (blue as leonardo) and Jason as the brutish one (red as Ralp).
Barabara doesn’t really fit with Don since they’re all extremely intelligent, but close enough (and purple like him.
I actually like the game a lot. All I wanted was to play as Robin and Nightwing and I got that.
If you look at the Digital Foundry review for the PC version, you'll find that the performance woes are because of piss-poor CPU utilization. It explains why the last gen versions were cancelled and the next gen versions were capped at 30.
Something must've went horribly wrong during the development of this game, most likely executive interference pushing the game for a certain release date before they could iron out all the issues.
Couldn't get past Mr.Freezes area much cause my pc couldn't handle it lol never rode the bike either cause It loaded stuff to fast
Is it still bad now? On pc?
@@joshuam4993nah it tuns well on pc now
I don’t know how is it possible that game can scream :” I am a mediocre game!!”
I think the other thing to mention here, is that the stats themselves are never explained. The GOW system actually tells you what damage/ defense will increase with each build. This is just numbers for the sake of numbers.
My issue with people who review this game is the immediate comparison to the Arkham series, even after everyone always admits that this isn't by any means related or trying to be. If you play it on its own it's not as bad. When you compare it to a series you already love, that it's not trying to be, it will disappoint almost Everytime
Great vid. My problem with the game, not wanting to be seen as being part of the Arkham universe was the fact that they literally took the story beat from the end of Arkham Knight with batman “dieing” after calling in the knight protocol or whatever it was called. Think that really blurred the lines for some folk
Yeah I cannot stand that "well we're doing something new" and all that's new is a horrible leveling and stat system that doesn't work with the game. Besides that it IS an Arkham game.
Dying*****😂😂😂
the title didnt help either with knight in it
This is definitely a "watch the cutscenes on youtube" game
Wait? It's been a year already? Time flies by. I haven't even touched it, and it's been on sale on 20 different occasions.
For real bro time flies remember me wanting to play it so bad. It’s on sale again for 15$😂 just bought it going give it a try.
how is it, im about to buy it to so i would like your opinion on it?@@boj091
@@boj091 it'd on game pass and ps plus. So now I'm not risking anything.
Tbh I enjoyed this game. I understand the flaws with it but to me it's really cool to get to play as these characters as a video game and DC fan, and as a comic book fan, seeing all three robins and batgirl interact is just really cool as we don't see that as often as I'd like. It may not be as good as arkham but it's still a fun as hell game, and it especially just feels like a game that loves the comics it's based on. It really feels like they focused on keeping the game just fun, even if it's not polished.
i agree. i enjoyed my time with it and playing co-op definitely made it more fun. i still feel like people were too hard on it because they wanted it to be another Arkham
@@theUndeadAngelI actually think the combat make sense mabey a few more moves options is cool but there is a lot of moves u can do
I was starting to think i was alone. I've really enjoyed it.
yeah it this game wasn’t supposed to follow the batman series of games it would probably be ok
EXACTLY people keep trying to compare them, it pisses me off because I enjoy Gotham Knights a ton! Both great games, but in my opinion, people are ‘meat riding’ the Arkham Games, I get they were ahead of their time, but seriously? Why can’t people just enjoy a game without complaining and comparing.
2 more things that plucked my nerves. 1. Homie was using NONLETHAL rubber bullets that could shoot THROUGH enemies to hit other enemies. ..... sure. 2. When everyone isn't in costume and are wearing their street clothes, they're always seen wearing their costume colors and ONLY those colors. Like what is this? Fuckin power rangers? We know who they are, you dont have to make them dress like that when not in costume. It looks dumb.
I never played this game, because frankly the gameplay videos looked boring and the aesthetic sort of screamed "Arkham meets AAA crap." Guess I was right. Not looking forward to Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, either. It says something when a game gets delayed for a year because Kevin Conroy's final vocal performance as Batman was gated behind a live service model.
And that's we're getting Arkham on Switch; WB knows Suicide Squad is doomed, so they're giving Nintendo fans a chance to play some truly great games...even if they goofed by not re-releasing Arkham Origins as a standalone.
One thing that Gotham Knights really reminded me of is what I desire from game difficulty. In so many games the only difference I see with changing the difficulty is the enemies do more damage if they hit you. Maybe this is just me being bad at games but for me, Gotham Knights is challenging combat wise regardless of weather you play on easy or hard. And I like that. The enemies don't feel less agressive on easy compared to on hard difficulty. What I would like to see from game difficulty settings is something where maybe the enemies can't KO you in one or 2 hits but they maybe are more agressive and multiple enemies try to attack you at the same time. Maybe on an easier difficulty they come at you one at a time but are still just as agressive as they might be on hard? Idk. To me if Imma die in one to two hits in a game that just makes me not wanna play on the hardest difficulty.
This game had so much potential and it makes me incredibly sad that it didn't live up to it. I love everything about the premise and was so excited for it. The combat was so bland and tedious. I didn't hate the story but it wasn't incredible. I just wish they could get another crack at it but sadly I don't think it'll happen. Hopefully we don't have to wait so many years for the next batman game.
This game seems like it had a very troubled production.
I remember WB Montréal teasing this back in 2015-16 with a photo of the devs wearing Court of Owls masks at a Christmas party.
Factor in that this was suppose to be an Arkham prequel and the final game's plot feels like an Arkham Knight sequel with some rewrites to make it its own universe, leads me to think they rebooted development a few times. The latter which might explain the more lackluster visuals since they made it its own universe, they couldn't reuse Arkham Knights' Gotham, and had to rebuild it from scratch.
I hope for better luck on their next game, but considering WB's change in direction for DC projects and the recent news of major studio heads leaving, might lead me to think they had to restart development.
I honestly enjoyed the game in itself. I played both Arkham and Gotham knight and I loved both with story and characters play style!
Nobody talks about this game at all to the point that even I didnt even knew this game existed until today
Having finished the game with 1 character (not going to do it with all 4) it was clear this was going to be a live service game and got "re-tooled" at some point to a single player game but still with all the live service elements in place.
While the gameplay was definitely mid, the one thing I firmly believe Gotham Knights got right was the character interactions: this is the best written these characters have been since the animated TV show (and the Red Hood movie in Jason Todd's case)
Not for Nightwing
And that's the problem. Gamers like you give a pass for lackluster gameplay and mechanics because of a decent story...
I appreciate a good story within a game too.. but that should NEVER be the priority over GAMEPLAY.
Go watch a TV series or movie for that shit.. I just want my video game to be fun before everything else
@@pakman0049Bingo
This game made me so angry. You're right. It's not a terrible game. It's just incredibly mediocre, which is what made me so upset. I'm also a Batman fanboy. Despite the harsh skepticism up to release, I really tried to stay optimistic, even when I saw the mixed reviews. I couldn't finish it, even though I put like 20 hours into it. I think if the game was downright terrible, I would have been less upset by it, but WBM only cared enough to make this game serviceable.
I'm on the same boat but I gave up under 2hrs so I could refund it LOL. Terrible traversal and movement completely killed off my interest in the game
@@t_tmad5293same man I had 40 min left I took more time doing settings to try and do best graphics I could get I got bored after the first mission Its jus not good but for some reason I wanna finish it anyway idk lol
@@futuredemon2843 Ended up re-bought the game at 80% off. I couldn't help it because I love Batfamily but it definitely wasn't worth at full price.
Oh man the way you described the 4 characters sounded like a copy of tmnt and Alfred is like master splinter
Listening to this, it sounds like Gotham Knights is DC's version of what Marvel's Avengers (2020). An aggressively mediocre game that could have been more than what the final product was.
I picked this up in the WB 100 year anniversary bundle. I'm about 20 hours in. If I had paid full price for this game, I'd be very upset. Having paid $15 for this, plus every Arkham game (except Blackgate), both Injustice games, 2 Mortal Kombat games, both Shadow of Mordor games, Mad Max...this game was 100% worth the money.
I disagree, no one found the story appealing. After the Arkham games, people wanted more Batman, not hipster versions of his sidekicks
I'll tell you this, THIS is how you adapt the personalities of the Batfamily into a videogame.
I’m kinda in the second act of Gotham Knights and it isn’t that horrible by any means. It does have issues like repetitive side missions, very less villains (which is shocking), clunky traversal at times (speaking of traversal, Robin's is my least favourite) which is mainly an issue in the time trial stuff and a bland story which was unfortunately built on a great premise, but otherwise it’s fine. The combat and suits are decent, the main four characters are good and their dynamics are good.
Comparing it to previous Batman games it's a damm shame.
You must've not played Arkham City or Arkham Knight. Because in comparison to both those games - this game is mediocre AT BEST.
@tio_john facts! The only time I have any sort of fun in Gotham Knights is when my friends are on. Damn near impossible to have an entertaining solo session..
I boot up Arkham Knight and I'll lose track of time beating up random thugs and gliding through gotham and before I realize it an hour flew by.
Damn shame how mid GK is...
The game devs made it for the gullible ones like this one
I always thought this game was apart of the Arkham series so learning that it wasn't here just confuses and fascinates me more about how this game came to be
it s not about the graphics. The combat is so slow,when u are playing on pc is verry frustrating when u press the mouse and u see how your character reacts. The vehicle is slow,looks like is going verry fast but nope,it s so slow.
It sucked because it was made like a looter shooter but with fighting. Look at Division 1 & 2, great games and worlds but world is empty. You travel from place to place where a mission is and encounter a hand full of enemies in between. Thats what Gotham Knights is. Empty world with few enemies you knock out in a few seconds then travel to another place. Just not what people wanted.
I hate to say I told you so, but I knew abandoning the Arkham style combat was a huge mistake. They didn't have to make it an Arkham game, but they should have kept the counter based combat that games like Arkham, shadow of mordor and mad max used. Ultimately I wish they had made their suicide squad game and rocksteady made something else since it looks like Rocksteadys suicide squad is going to be a huge disappointment. This game was basically a photo mode expansion for Bat-family fans. I've seen a lot of really cool screenshots from this game and that's about where the positive end.
The biggest sin was that all of them already had movesets from the previous arkham games and all they had to do was polish that and release a game and they wouldve made a ton of money
dawg I won't cap, the only reason that man bat doesn't call for backup is cuz that's the only one that doesn't
What we need is a Batman Beyond game.
One of the things that bother me the most about the game is how little villains there are in the game .. Only really have Talia,The Court of owls,Clayface,Mr.Freeze and Harley Quinn. How you gonna have all 4 knights and have very little villains??? Perfect time to put Deathstroke,Black Mask,Professor Pyg,Killer Croc ect like what tf? Maybe add goofy villains too like condiment king and Crazy Quilt.
cant say i had high hopes for this game because arkham origins sucked hard and this just shows that wb montreal dont know how to make a good game lol the closest they did was that batgirl dlc for arkham knight which was just dlc ... and the writing in gotham knights is freakin atrocious like one of those cringely gang members telling a fire alarm to shut up and to 'die die die die!!!!' lmao who wrote that ?
It actually wasn't a complete disaster imo. Then physics were pretty off and the voice acting was corny as hell, but it was still pretty fun.
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Its ironic how crappy this game is because WB Montréal made arkham origins which is infinitely better than gotham knights. And now the servers for the online of arkham origins just got shut down, so their trying to forget that game in favor of this cesspool. What a shame😔
The Arkham games set a gold standard and made a good formula that worked. Why would you deviate from it? If it ain't broke don't fix it. If you like it fine, but don't cope that its bad.
Played this recently, honestly don't think I'll finish it. They took away almost everything that made the Arkham games so much fun and the new things they try aren't even that great. Easily the worst Batman game.
@@largebig79 literally set in the Batman universe even if you're not playing as Batman himself. But okay.
I really want a sequel in the future
You're trippin bro😂
@@TETEFIEND nope
Terrible gaming taste you have really
Hahaha you’re ducking crazy this game was shit did you start playing video games yesterday?
Me too and anyone who don't like or want one don't have to play it it's simple 🤷♂️ I really want some DLC and some Batman DLC leading up to the fight in the Bat cave also.
Great video🙌🏾
Sad Indeed. I definitely remember being very hyped for this game. I loved the Arkham series so much. Unfortunately I doubt I’ll ever play this game.
As someone who has played this game twice and watched the comment section as each new trailer came out I can say the game was better than expected. Sure the combat is not exactly the same as arkham as warner bros tried something diffrent that does take awhile to ease into. However the best thing about the game is that there are no live service elements such as battle passes, junk dlc. Another good thing is that they stayed awayf from the leveling grind from avengers and made it to where it is a game with a coop option instead of makeing it a coop game. As for rocksteadys new suicide squad game which everyone praised in the gotham knights comment section that game looks like a dumpster fire.
Gotham Knights had so much potential to be amazing but man oh man the execution was so disappointing not to mentioned focusing on live service elements for this game development really didn't help anyone in the long run which includes me in this category because i was one of the few people who was excited about this game included having a bat family game fighting the court of owls would be really awesome and tons of fun but unfortnately the execution was so disappointing at least in my opinion.
The spot with the gauntlet of rooms where you stopped doing side quests is where I just full stopped playing the game. That area was fully obnoxious and the rest of the game wasn't good enough for me to forgive it.
It's funny how Arkham Knight was a last gen release, and I'm pretty sure it was either 60fps or a high constant 30fps
While Gorham knights struggled
I remember seeing some leaked concept art and other game file/coding images that showed they planned to have both Damien Wayne be in the game as well as have Batman be playable at some point, the Batmobile being a vehicle option, and other villains such as Solomon Grundy. As for if the was meant to be future dlc besides the Starro one or part of the base game, I don’t know.
I loved playing as Robin in Gotham Knights. Think the voice actor for GK Robin would make a great Spider-man. 😊
I never knew this game even released after the announcement trailer. Heard not a peep, smh
I just realized they're literally just the Ninja Turtles
It's not an arkham game, you are literally critiquing it on not being a game you liked. That's not a fair critique, it'd be like me saying I liked Spider-Man for PS4 and I did not appreciate how Gotham Knights deviated from that. They were not trying to make an arkham game, so maybe just critique its flaws as they are instead of comparing them to another game so directly.
That manbat fight looked like it took awhile 😂
Fr me Mecha Freeze was horrible. I kept dying.
"Overdesigned"
I didnt know what I hated about the characters looks until you said that. But that's EXACTLY what it is. Just stuff on stuff "for the look". Nice eyes man.🤔👍
I love the Arkham series so much (Asylum is still the best). I didn't even give this one a try.
10:08 that fade away sequence says it all haha
Cause its cheap. Feels like another cheap semi-online game that rushing to a fading dream.
we just need a Gotham City Imposters 2 at this point
7:16 Looking forward to people saying this game is underrated when the Suicide Squad game drops lmao
Honestly…I wouldn’t be surprised if that does happen, I was definitely not impressed when the last footage of it came out.
@@JsReviews Oh yeah it looks so boring
In a world where Spiderman 2 has come out? I don't think so.
If anything people will simply gravitate more to the old arkham games especially arkham knight.
@@baki484 I was half joking lul
I beat it 3 times…
The third time was an accident. To be real I enjoyed the game
I uninstalled the game after the first mission wtf has to be wrong with your head that you replay the game 3 times get help….
@@kevg1060 does the idea of someone liking a game that you didn’t even play that foreign to you?
@@Pilot_Warden what’s foreign to me is that only someone with the brain of a fuxking potato would be able to play the game once let alone 3 damn times 🤦🏽♂️. You need fucking help dude 😭.
@@Pilot_Warden like what even is you sad shitty lonely life that you play this 3/10 game 3 TIMES 😭.
I’ll pass on this and just keep playing the masterpiece Arkham games, esp Arkham Knight.
The stat system mentioned here reminds me of Dying Light 2 which i played for the first time this summer. I hate it in DL2 for all the same reasons mentioned here. It’s overwhelming, exhausting and not fun for me. I wish it wasnt a part of the game at all. I dont think its a game mechanic thats often done well.
It really looks like this was meant to be a Live Service Game, and due to how badly those have been doing they changed it, but the Systems where already there. This also looks to be the same issue that S. Squad is dealing with. Problem is Live Service Games put Monetization over Fun.
True, that kind of sucks cause the combat isn't as smooth as the Arkham games, and it was trying to be like the ninja turtles in a way, but Batgirl got cake though
Should have really really been a TMNT game.
At least there’s no riddler trophies
Congrats on 200K J!
The fact that there's four different playable characters, and they ALL have to be leveled-up and improved separately using grindable resources, is just dumb - that's a massive waste of time.
They could've knocked it down to three by removing Batgirl from the roster, and only having three characters; once they did that, then they could also allow the player to improve the three using the same resources - like how in more classical RPGs every party member gets the same Exp. and can use mostly the same equipment (aside from weaponry), the devs here could've allowed the player to upgrade Red Hood, Nightwing and Robin without needing to grind them out individually.
Me and the 314 Worldwide Steam Players that still play this game actually quite enjoy it. :D
I forgot this game came out
There are timed strikes, and you can chain together ceitical hits, its exactly qhat you were talking about in arkham. You rime the steikes they are faster and critical
Nate’s quite literally Jesus of mutants, and I love it lmao.
I replayed this game a few months ago and I can still say that I thoroughly enjoyed it the only downside about his game I think is that he should have more story DLC with some of his more famous villains, and definitely more costumes. Maybe explain the city a little bit more.
I tried giving Gotham Knights some chances but everytime I played, it was a mess. Either I was bored out of my mind or frustrated with the constant leveling up to where your characters are maxed out by 40 yet gear and enemies go above 60.
You want a terrible Gotham Knights experience? Play Heroic Assault by yourself, you’ll immediately delete the game when you get to Level 22
The biggest issue with this game is it was clearly meant to be a live service game, but after the backlash, they backtracked from that, but the damage was already done, so the game just ended up being a pseudo-looter game.
Ooh wow, I’m really early! I’m sure I’ll enjoy the video, even though I haven’t played the game and don’t plan to
I had to quit this game, It got pretty boring real quick with the copy and paste crimes, it didn't help that the voice acting for the thugs was atrocious, having traversals locked behind a grind fest, I can't help to think what could have been if they focused to make a great gaming experience instead of just rushing it with mobile-game like UI and other RPG mechanics.
All they had to do was flesh out the characters from arkam knight, copy , paste, and polish. That's it, improve the parkour so the traversal would make people understand the character are still human but very skilled parkourist ESPECIALLY Dick grayson. add in new grapple mechanics, allow players to switch between swinging, directly being pulled, hanging, or being lowered down or up. Make gliding for robin very fast but not far or easy to control because his cape is much smaller while also allowing him more freedom of movement, make batgirls gliding just like knights, but she goes slightly farther and glides slightly higher because she is so light letting you also glide close to the ground for longer. Give Redhood the motorcycle and NO SUPERPOWERS AT ALL, because that defeats the purpose of the batman ethos entirely. Redhood could also steal cars or maybe helicopters since his morals are more dark. Also he is VERY distant from the rest of the family even though its still all love because he still kills criminals because Nonlethal armor piercing bullets is complete bullshit. make Damien mourning his father almost a emotionaless endevour for him because he doesnt know how to handle it and seeing death since he was a kid has numbed him too it while also making it obvious that he misses Batman by maybe making him go looking for batman in a cutscene or speak as if he is still here. Alfred should be feeling like he has to stay strong for the rest of the family but also feel like he failed his ward batman. Lastly it should be a 4 player co op game. with or without 4 players, you should be albe to choose how many of you go to a mission. Its crazy how you make a game with the Batfamily but they never actually work together i mean what the fuck. This game had so much MORE POTENTIAL than arkam knight but it was doomed from the start due to the developers and publisher not understanding they already had a great formula with knight that just required polish. Not to mention it looks better aswell.
Looking back on it (and tbf, it was ragged on back then too), the fact that the batcycle drives so slowly but they added the whooshy lines around the edge of the screen to make it “seem” like you’re going fast, is probably one of the cringiest work arounds I’ve seen in modern gaming. It’s SO god damn bad. 🤦🏻♂️
This game was way more fun than I expected the legit only flaw of the game is not enough content that’s all if we was to get an expansion plus a new character it’ll do it must justice
Man yhe rpg element really killed all my hope for this game. Like its the bat family their name is their stats. The game play should be about skill for a game based on these characters. Also WHY DOES EVERYTHING WANT TO BE DESTINY damn
And listening further that's another element I don't like about rpg ish games like it doesn't feel like you ever get better you just get better stuff
I can't believe it's already been a year
Good video
Will be waiting for the learning to love version
Honestly I enjoyed Gotham knights, it was good to see the side kicks become more main characters and the way they portrayed the grief of loosing Bruce was nice, cause at the end of the day there a family.
And I get people are upset that they revived Bruce to just kill him again but the thing is it’s based of some of the movies and comics where talia did revive Bruce at one point.even with Cain all this stuff is based of the animated movies and comics,
And I like how they used the under the red hood story line for Jason.
My favourite part of the game though are the small cutscenes between the bat family as they are honestly really well done.
And I can’t forget Bruce’s voice recordings! I love how they start at his beginning of being Batman to where he starts to break slightly via the death of Jason and paralysis of Barbara, to where he finds out Jason is alive. The last recording is bitter sweet due to what we know happens shortly after.
And it makes sense why wb didn’t advertise this as much or put as much effort considering it’s not a Batman game, like it’s a Batman game without Batman. And we all know how Wb always ignores the side characters if where honest, sure we have comics but they don’t happen often
Another Problem with the Plot was that wouldn't Batman dying grab the attention of the rest of the Justice League?
The biggest difference I’ve seen is that the Arkham games make you feel like a superhero. No slightly athletic thug is going to be able to handle a few hits from a relatively trained fighter, not to mention a barely human creature known as Batman. In the in the Gotham game you aren’t playing the almost superhuman Batman but the characters are still the best in the world. These are people trained since they were kids to to wipe the floor with the best militant operatives in existence yet somehow a random thug can take a dozen or so hits from these combatants that use batons, bullets, and gauntlets made of super strong alloys/polymers specifically designed to enhance their combat effectiveness?
I forgive this game solely dor the fact that my boy tim drake got some spotlight.
God knows they are not doing him justice in the comics.
(Also I really like the batfam dynamics and dialog)
Kane is batwomans dad and has closw ties with the owls in some versions of the comics
Props to whoever designed the Batmobile in Arkham knight I was having so much fun I didn’t even know the game had fast travel
I wasn't even aware this was released.