Is Israel A Failed State?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Live-streamed on October 7, 2024
Ilan Pappe, professor of history at the University of Exeter and Director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies, author of Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic, discusses the state of affairs in the Middle East a year after October 7th, 2023
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Professor Ilan Pappé then joins, diving right into the rapid escalation and exacerbation of Israeli society and the Israeli state’s genocidal desires, first tackling the clear signs of the citizenry’s right-wing turn and the Netanyahu Administration’s messianic nature in the wake of the 2022 elections, before unpacking his thoughts on how the rapid radicalization during Israel’s brutal ethnic cleansing of Gaza (now expanded into a regional conflict) has exposed extensive cracks in the state of Israel. After briefly touching on the role of Israeli’s backlash to Netanyahu’s fascistic judiciary reforms - and the particular dearth of any connection between the violence imposed on Palestinians and the fascism coming home to roost - in demonstrating the precarious state of the country, Professor Pappé steps back to explore this evolution as a natural progression of right-wing colonial ideology in direct conflict with the world it’s invading, bolstered by Israel’s proactive violence in stamping out any conditions for change. Ilan then walks Sam and Emma through the evolution of the super-alliance that backs the Zionist state, exploring the movement’s roots in an Evangelical Christian movement that sought to capitalize on anti-Semitic sentiment and the growing aims of the British Empire, putting together an overwhelmingly powerful coalition before the Jewish community even came to the fore, also looking at the incredible evolution of the Zionist lobby in the United States and how Israel’s ability to stamp out conditions for change extends well beyond its border. After expanding on the ever-growing international backlash to Israel’s genocidal apartheid regime, Pappé dives deep into the need to recenter Palestinian actors in this fight, and what must be done to achieve decolonization in the region as quickly and with as little violence as possible.
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Failed from the start. No apartheid state will succeed, unless they have help, which Israel unfortunately has plenty of in their drive for an apartheid ethnostate.
Israel is a failed experiment
it didn't have to be an ethnostate. That's what they chose.
´Unfortunately´?? WHO enables them to commit Genocide? OMG you US people
@@mikeelissen3012 First of all you don't know if this person is American. 2nd of all, NOT US people, the US government. Both political parties continue to support Israel, even while most of the people who otherwise support Democrats want the genocide to end. Don't put the blame on the average US citizen, blame the American and Israeli governments and the corporations who profit from this.
@@Iridescence93we have to stop treating this like a movie as if they had a bad story arch and became Darth Vader. Ben Gurion knew what lsrael was and even said he understood why the Arabs hated them. Because they stole the land. Two state solution was never a real consideration from the beginning. The fact that they allowed the Irgun terr0rist group to form the Likud party and hold offices is proof of that.
Pariah state
Babylonian cult.
Zionism was very morally questionable from the start. But instead of being reflective on its past, Israel has unfortunately chosen to double down on jingoism and chauvinism.
There never was an acceptable version of Zionism. It was born out of terrorism and slaughter
@@delta5297
Same as America. Both failed states. They need a push to stop their terrorist activity. 🇵🇸🇱🇧🔥
Absolutely. That's why they will be limited to being a colonialist entity, that will vanish be it now or later. They convince themselves this is not true, ignoring History, and going more and more brutal.
Beginning of the end.
11:35 Pappé made a good point about South Africa in that sense : because of international pressure, South Africa did reflect on what it was as a society and country and what it wanted to be in the future. And, in the end, it has changed.
Now, if only the International community (western powers, mostly) would push Israel to go through the same process of realization and reimagination, maybe peace could be achieved someday.
It was always going to involve stealing land from the inhabitants of the Levant in the 1940s!
“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
― George Carlin
I’m sure Jews who win Nobel prizes and invent tech startups and are over represented in the highest echelons of intellectual position are dumb
And George Carlin was an overrated comedian
more like morally depraved and brainwashed but good point still
True RIp George Carlin
this is anti semitic
Carlin and Hicks would get soo mad about this world, and would make soo much fun of it
“The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe
Between 1947 and 1949, over 400 Palestinian villages were deliberately destroyed, civilians were massacred and around a million men, women, and children were expelled from their homes at gunpoint.
@@CreamedCorn2002 why are you pretending to be curious all of a sudden?
@@CreamedCorn2002 “The Occupation of Water” amnesty international
Soon after Israel occupied the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, in June 1967, the Israeli military authorities consolidated complete power over all water resources. The Israeli state-owned water company Mekorot has systematically sunk wells and tapped springs in the occupied West Bank to supply its population, including those living in illegal settlements with water for domestic, agricultural and industrial purposes. While Mekorot sells some water to Palestinian water utilities.
That’s only 2,500 people per village, guy. Now if you were to throw out a number like 6 million then I’d say you were yankin my crank
2500 Jewish civil8ans were killed. 45 000 Jews were ethnically cleansed.Also 900 000 Jews were etnically cleansed from Arab countries and their homes, lands, bussineses were stolen
@@Davidpath9127 Water is a human NECESSITY, and should not be treated as a commodity!
I call it a rogue state
It’s state sponsored terrorism. A fascist regime
Israel is fake state was illegal .in Palestine land over 77 years ago not Oct 7 it was liars claiming by Israel
Yeah pretty much. I think that that title is reserved for countries that America dislikes unfortunately.
Facts a rogue pariah terrorist state
A mad cow on steroids. Wait till there’s lots of US boo ties on the ground.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS
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Yes. It’s the worst state. It’s an embarrassment to humanity.
Yes it's a state with so much of scientist even that service you are using now.and ALBERT EINSTEIN
@@lancewalters4667 Albert Einstein believed in "Socialist Labor Zionism" - todays Zionists are "Revisionist Zionists" AKA - Einstein explicitly didn't agree with them, and he would be disgusted with modern day Israels descent.
Also, Einstein was German... he was born ~60 years before Israel existed.
Agreed. 👍
@@lancewalters4667LOL Albert Einstein wanted nothing to do with it. " Many scientists" who know how to kill children and women by the masses? It's given nothing but murder and terrorism and will be known as a Nazi like state. JEWs have a history of scientists, but you need to conflate with Zionism and being Israeli for your argument to work
@@lancewalters4667 uhh. israel didn't give us Einstein or the internet. The main builders of the internet, only one of them is even Jewish.
No Isreal is a terrorist state but it failed in humanity.
Absolutely true!
True words 😢
@Genocide2024, the definition of a freedom fighter and a terrorist is that a freedom fighter opposes and protests against government policy without killing any innocent people. A terrorist is one who may resist government policy but kills innocent people to achieve their aim in peace time.
UN definition of a genocide is "a crime committed *with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."*
Israel warned and dropped leaflets to Palestinians to leave the danger zones , There is no intent to kill Palestinians. The same could not be said for Iran and its proxies. There is no warning to Israelis to leave a certain zone.
@lovegrace
what justification you will give for the World Kitchen Central attack ?
how you’ll justify the bombing of hospitals and killing the patients there?
@@lovegrace5466 42k dead in gaza and you're still clinging to dictionaries?
Greeting from Germany Thank you for PEACE work .Free PALESTINE.
Germany punishes people if they talk about peace for Palestine how did you write here,
The real question probably is: Is it a state at all? Do we allow occupiers to have a state and what does that say about us, if we do?
Yes, it has been since 1947, and yes, ignoring all the "occupied" states in the world you couldn't stop Israel if you tried.
@@jameshaig6858 Ignoring all the "OQpied" lol you can't be taken seriously.
According to recent history the answer is No! That's why Ukraine is now winning it's War of Russian invasion! Why Israel has gotten away with this is an anathema.
Rogue state or Pariah State 🤓
What Israel is doing is a genocide, but I think Israel is a state. A state based on genocide, racism, and exploitation? Yes, but a state nonetheless. Other governments acknowledge Israel's existence and that's pretty much all a state is, right?
But I don't think it should be a state as it is. I think whatever the state of Israel is based on: aparteid and genocide, should be stopped and replaced by a better government.
lsraeI has gone from the state the world had sympathy for, to the most hated state in the world in just a year.
And they still think they deserve sympathy!
Their reality was just exposed, they did not deserve sympathy to begin with
It is written...the irony is, its not what the Israelites wish... but the powers that be make sure one way or another for these prophecies to come true ... or maybe it's just God's word and there is no escape from the inevitable... I guess we will all wait and c.
I’m one of those. I used to have sympathy for Israel due to the Holocaust (which I have read a lot about, mostly Martin Gilbert’s books) - but watching the last year opened my eyes fully. I always knew there was a brutal streak in Israeli society - but it’s so much worse than I could have ever imagined. They are literally a well of sorrow and evil.
@@maxjones7540 They did what they did with their own bloody hands, don’t blame it on god.
They fail in the human race.
They are not human.
Demons
humanity??? in the Middle East that 100 years Arabs want to kill Jews as a religious imperative
As a Lebanese-Christian, I have been a fan of Dr Pappé’s work for about a decade now. He has a special place in my heart, a true Historian. A real one.
I’m very sorry for what you’re going through at the moment.
Me too @@juliewake4585
Dear Dr Pappe is a robust voice of truth. The Palestinian cause owes a debt to his writing.
Absolutely and frankly, it's a rogue state.
At this point, it is a rogue state!
Listening to That Madman is like listening to that other orange madman.
They both make my teeth itch.
@@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n What do you mean by rogue state? It is a colonial apartheid state. However it was sanctioned by the world powers for their own greed and interest in the region. The major powers do nothing because they benefit.
It's not a failed state. It's a failed colony.
dreams, we are the promised land of the Jewish people with 250 OPPENHEIMER TOYS
Yes and a rogue state tbh
It's a rogue state, not a failed one....YET.
It's a terrorist state!
We can dream.
It will fail without American arms!!!
Their credit score dropped three grades already, it is becoming a failed one quite fast too.
@@iverbrnstad791 and we al know that failed states tend to produce rather war than peace. inside or outside.
you will not learn.
MANIA - MAKE AMERICA NOT ISRAEL AGAIN 🇵🇸 🇺🇸
we learned in world history MANIA- the causes of world war one. militarism, alliances, nationalism, imperialism, assassination (the spark). hmm … maybe these are not a good strategy for US foreign policy.
"Israel" isn't a state, except in the imaginary sense. It is STILL Palestine
I've never seen a bigger version of playing the martyr and the victim in my lifetime than Israel's 75 year long apartheid and settler colonialism project.
The blacks in America
@@theotherview1716 Um, African-Americans have genuine grievances with the U.S.
@@theotherview1716 nah, that goes to the conservative white man
the boys who cried wolf
like you, same mentality, narccissitic, chauvanistic and jingoistic
Both Jews and Blacks have legitimate grievances against the West.
@@theotherview1716 Systemic racism and oppression still exists. Many black folk who are falsely convicted or given unfair sentences are forced to work minimum wage jobs in places like restaurants and such. It's literally new age slavery.
It was never an independent state to begin with.
Chilling how deeply seated into our government Zionism is, thank you for shedding light on the inner workings
Yeah but it shouldn’t mean turning to Islam as a solution either.
Sometimes Sam sets up and asks AMAZING questions we would otherwise struggle to address, let alone begin to answer.
Thank you!
Its not a state, its a US outpost, a colony, a military base.
If you knew nothing about the history of the country I could see you thinking that.
They won a civil war and fought off 6 neighbours, twice, before the US allied them.
Right. It doesn’t even have a Constitution. It’s Camp Humphreys in the middle east basically. And just like most foreign bases, local law can’t try foreign soldiers in their courts. I don’t know any western soldier that’s been tried and sentenced by local courts or the international court for any kind of crimes.
@@jameshaig6858 I know the whole history, James. They were a Western colony before becoming a US colony. It was not a CW, it was OQpation. Try your rewritten history somewhere else.
That began as a British military base during WWII.
@samnabawy2731 They were refugees from western states that forged a country in the face of Arabic violence out of the remains of the Ottoman Empire my dude
Yes, it has failed the test of humanity.
Hamas hides among the civilian population and launches rockets from the civilian population and when Israel fires back at the sources of the fire, civilians are injured because Hamas does not care about the citizens of Gaza. Since 2005, Hamas has been launching rockets directly at the Israeli civilian population. Hamas works for Iran and Hamas started an unnecessary war and Hamas destroyed the Oslo Accords and destroyed Gaza and the leaders of Hamas hate the children of Gaza because they pamper themselves with their families in luxurious hotels in the Gulf. But this is his last war.
They're barely even a state, they're like if the "narcissist's prayer" turned into a person and also that person has a nuclear arsenal somehow 😂
That's a good one. Keeping that.
From the bottom to the top, it's a strong sociopathic mindset, from BN to the public. Entitled, believe they're victims, no accountability, endless lying, etc etc you'll see all these characteristics through that whole state and the leaders and it's protectors
If you interact with and observe enough of the Zionists... you'll quickly see that most of them are not great people.
At one point, they WERE victims, but now they are not!
@@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n We've all got a history of victimhood in our lives, or somewhere back in the genepool. They're not the only ones. There's no excuse to be a nazi. None. Don't make excuses for these schadenfreude loving psychopaths.
“The Punishment of Gaza ” by Israeli journalist Gideon Levy, May 17 2010
The only solution is a single democratic state for everyone living from the river to the sea plus reparations and right to return for all those who had land stolen and displaced.
You are so delusional
the ottoman rule had secular methods to grant all religions including jewish, muslims and christians jurisdiction over their own autonomy. so in fact there was already a precedent that it can be done. It was only after the british colonial project/2 state solution, that things went to shit...
This interview deserves a double like button 👍🏻
Israel became the Jewish Zone of Occupation when the spoils of WW2 were divided up. 😢
“I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State.
These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is
certain death.”
― George Carlin
"For many in Israel, it’s easier to believe a lie than to believe you’ve been lied to”.
It’s a crime against humanity from its inception. Of some interesting note, my father served in the Israeli army in the 1970s and Israel was even then weaponizing sex. My father had an affair while serving and my parents ended up divorced while I was 2 and my brother was about to be born.
Thats rough.
Wow, that's awful!
Wait, how was it weaponising sex? That sounds interesting. Don't both men and women serve in Israel? Are you saying the government forced him to have an extramarital affair? That can't have been the policy.
“Israel’s Netanyahu brings his dirty laundry to Washington. Literally.”The Washington Post
“The Netanyahus are the only ones who bring actual suitcases of dirty laundry for us to clean,” said one U.S. official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the details of a foreign leader’s visits. “After multiple trips, it became clear this was intentional.”
Over the years, the Israeli leader has developed a reputation among the staff at the U.S. president’s guesthouse for bringing special cargo on his trips to Washington: bags and suitcases full of dirty laundry, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
The clothes are cleaned for the prime minister free of charge by the U.S. staff, a perk that is available to all foreign leaders but sparingly taken advantage of given the short stays of busy heads of state.
Netanyahu means ‘gift of god’ in Hebrew. It’s a stage name. His real name is Benzion Mileokowsky, a documented war criminal born and raised in Poland. FYI.
A neurotic narcissist.
😂
That kind of sums up his attitude!
SO we give them $28.7 billion this yr AND do his laundry for free. Send his suitcases back with used cat litter and he will stop doing this, US leaders are so weak
Yes 100% they are
51 minutes is an awful long time to say "yes"
Often times its important to lay out why you say yes.
@@PartisanGamerDE Ah, a teacher i see
short answer yes. long answer yes because of stupidity and short sightedness.
and religious barbarism meets ethnic terrorism
Few years from now we will discover so many stories of war crimes that was committed by them . God will never forgive our failure to stop them .
Have you heard of the documentary Tantura? It was made in 2022, but its subject is a village that was razed by the Zionists in 1948.
I’ve seen clips on YT, and in some of them they’re interviewing the Zionist soldiers/militia men who weee involved in the massacre.
These men are really old now, and as they’re describing what they did to the villagers, they’re all smiling. They seem to think the film is intended for domestic audiences, where that kind of brutality is applauded. It’s some sick stuff, not just the descriptions of brutality they give, but how they smile when giving it.
Yes. Yes it is.
Great history lesson ~ Thank you, Ilan and hosts 🙏
I certainly give it an F.
you can't be a successful occupier
Not that I agree with occupation, but your statement is wrong. The Americas and Australia were occupied by Europe successfully
its pure darkness,,,, living on stolen land????
Excuse me, but what about all of the indigenous peoples who died on all three continents as a result of that "successful" occupation?
Arabs are the most successful occupiers.
America is an example against this.
the idea of having sommething stolen in my home is pure madness for me! i can not even imagine what it wil do to me for living on a stolen land!!!! its pure death!!
I know right it must be horrible living in the US
@@lucasssw4590 i live in northwest europe
@@dfgt-su9ki Good for you
@@dfgt-su9ki Good for you
@@dfgt-su9ki Good for you, I just feel bad for all them Americans living on stolen lands
Failed is not the first thing to ask about Israel; maybe evil?
Evil Is rael
I don't think it's a failed state, but I do think it's a state that does not deserve to exist in it's current form. The government should be charged with crimes against humanity. Religion has no place in the governance of people, it is personal and communal.
Yes
💯% it is
It failed as soon as it begun.
the creation of Israel was a horrible idea to begin with.
Israel doesn't think of anybody but itself.
Thanks righteous one
even back in 1948, the heads of US military & intelligence (who had just won WW2, in part due to their ability to assess international power dynamics) were staunchly against recognizing the new nation of lsraeI, because they recognized that it was built by forcible mass dispossession. they knew the potential destabilizing effect it would have in the region to prop up such a state during an era of global decolonization.
however, they were overruled by ideologically-driven members of the Truman administration… a trend we see repeated today, with people like Blinken, Hochstein, McGurk acting directly _counter_ to assessments from within the State Dept & Pentagon.
Yes, in short
Short answer: yes, long answer: yes
It is absolutely a failed, rouge state!
YES!! Yes it is!
The more I hear about this the more I hate the fact that I’m from the UK. I knew about Balfour and his anti-semitism but our obsession with colonisation horrifies me every day I read about it.
considering how much money America sends over there every year, yeah, they're definitely not staying afloat with their own economy.
Their GDP is 525 billion, I don't think the 3.5 billion from the US is keeping the afloat.
@@jameshaig6858 We've sent them that money annually since 1971 and have free trade with them since the 80's. Most of their economy is tied with ours from contracts to exports. if we cut off the support and actually traded with them like we do with other nations, and put fair restrictions on how they do business with us, then that gdp would drop like a rock. We essentially helped build their economy. You're right that I should have more detailed though.
@@thenutella8846 it was 78, in return for them returning the Sinai to Egypt. The US has free trade with everyone, and Israel's biggest trading partner is the EU.
If that's the case then why does the US keep sending them money lol, since they clearly seem to be doing just fine on their own... they don't need it give it back to the US taxpayers.
@@dunk7073 Was that comment directed toward james or me? because the page makes it look like it went to me instead of him.
It's an occupation not a state
Yep
Yes it is
I wouldn’t say it’s a failed state. It doesn’t have a Constitution. It’s more of a military outpost or camp like Camp Humphreys in South Korea. Sure it’s got shopping centers, clubs, apartments, schools, parks, and social services but so do military bases. The moment you realize it’s basically an OCONUS base/camp it makes more sense. The middle east is considered a war zone by the west.
IsraeIi residents still vote back in their home countries, they still pay taxes in their home country, and they still get access to all of the social services and amenities of the home countries. IsraeI is just a deployment for Z!onist. Why do you think the residents there travel back and forth from there to their home countries so much throughout life for university, weddings, funerals, and other reasons?
It’s a military occupation just like any other. The US and European countries subsidize their entire lifestyle and military. It’s not that complicated. They almost chose Argentina, Madagascar, and Uganda as the site, but decided on Palestine!ne.
Only 22% of Israelis have dual citizenship, and the UK doesn't have a constitution either. Lol.
@@jameshaig6858the UK is a constitutional monarchy. Lmao, and lsraeli law recognizes dual citizenship. US law allows dual citizenship for lsraeli residents as well. Law of Return states: Jewish people and their descendants can reside in and become naturalized in lsrael without renouncing their original citizenship so why would they give it up. The only exception is non-Jewish citizens who must renounce their previous citizenship. I imagine more lsraeli’s know it’s easier and better to travel under their home countries passport and not an lsraeli one.
“However, within the framework of those exceptions, there are lenient conditions for lsraeli citizens that do not require renunciation of Israeli citizenship for the purpose of acquiring citizenship in these countries by virtue of a direct family connection to Holocaust survivors and victims of persecution. Meaning, lsraeli citizens who receive an Austrian passport or German citizenship after proving that they are descendants of Austrian/German citizens who lost their citizenship due to Nazi persecution will not be forced to give up their lsraeli citizenship.” -Decker Pex Levi law office on lsraeli Dual Citizenship.
@isaack2084 you not knowing the difference between a codified constitution and the UKs is pretty funny.
But ignoring that, you've dumped 2 paragraphs of information about duel citizenship rules, why? It doesn't change the fact that only 22% of Israelis are duel citizens.
good playlist on war do you have. also nice read. was that meant to be critical?
@@jameshaig6858 what is the ''magna carta'' if not the progenitor of a modern constitution?
Everybody did their homework today as the questions offered and the insight was A plus!!
America's tumour.......
Love this show, Amazing honest guest so much education
So nice to see and listen to professor Pappe. I wish u good health and long life to see a free and secure Palestine. Peace is the only option
Yes.
I always like to hear from Ilan Pappe. It was only a few years back when I came across his lectures about what really brought about the turmoil in Israel and the long-lasting resentment of the Palestinian people.
No right to exist
eat your heart little Nazi. Israel is the promised land of the Jewish people and no one like you can say a word about the Jewish people/Israel is forever thanks to dear Jews like Einstein ,Oppenheimer and Teller
rogue not failed, in fact i’d say they’ve been extremely successful in the way other countries (including their neighbors) continue to give them political cover, military assistance, money, resources and weapons to them despite all the horrors of the last year.
I agree they have been allowed to maintain an occupation for 57 years . Without the US support this would have ended years ago.
How is Israel not considered to be absolute Barbarians?
YES IT IS - BRING BACK THE GERMANY OF THE 1930S
lmao! what's the haavara agreement?
don't get pawned again
How many of you think Israel is just a colony and not a state.
Hebrew language, Judaism religion and Jews people originated in canaan modern day Israel and Palestine supported by thousands of Ancient artifacts and Archeology dated thousands of years ago while Arabic language, Arab people and Islam originated in Arabian peninsula and the Jews people are the colonizer? Even the word or name Palestine is not Arabic or middle eastern name but a European name from the Roman empire!!! Palestine is the Name of the region named by roman empire Palestine is not a name of a land, kingdom or people, during ottoman occupation of Palestine Arabs especially from Jordan and Egypt started migrating to Palestine especially during Jordan and Egypt occupation of Palestine that is why Gazan last names are Egyptian last names Arabs started calling themselves Palestinian only in 1940s... Thousands of ancient artifacts and Archeology all said that Jews people are the natives not the Arabs
@@Recardoperezsatos can Israel defend without us support
not a failed state its a deeply pariah state
To understand why Zionism won over Arabism (two competing visions for the land of Palestine by the British Empire, just look at the timeline. The British wanted to end WW1 as it was bankrupting them. The initial plan was to knock out the Ottoman Empire from the war so the British could keep Russia in the war. This is where Lawrence of Arabia came in. And while this worked, Russia had their revolution in February 1917 and formally left WW1 in November 1917. 1917 was also a horrible year for the British and French and it actually looked like Germany would win. With Russia leaving, this was almost assured unless the USA entered. So the British began strongly lobbying for the Americans to enter WW1 starting in 1917. In May 1917, Balfour visited the USA and talked with Wilson. This was facilitated by Lord Rothschild and wealthy zionists in the USA. It was a precondition from the USA that Britain formally support the Zionist movement in Palestine for it to commit troops to the war. In November 1917, Balfour issues the Balfour declaration. The USA sends troops in the spring 1918.
That's one place that even if I could I would never visit !
Apartheid actually worse then apartheid.
Yes yes it is, when they depend on aid greater than the value of aid going to the CONTINENT of Africa I'm quite certain that yes a failed state indeed
It's the only country in the world that its existence is in doubt.
Great instability in large parts od Africa. it's hard shaking off the colonial yoke.
@@raoulhubris Yes but those countries clearly exist where Israel has always been a weird fantasy. I was just talking to a "Hebrew Jew" who uploads videos saying Jesus is definitely the messiah.
So is the USA, both basically do the same thing.
How can it be that a state created by UN international law can say "UN International law does not apply to us ?"
Imagine the mindset of a person who is willing to live and raise a family in a place that has an Iron Dome. When you love your religion more than the safety of you family is it only possible that you would want to live there.
Most Israelis are secular
@@wecx2375 And yet most believe God gave them the land lol
@samnabawy2731 no, most are atheists
@@wecx2375 And yet most believe that God gave them the land. You keep missing the hypocrisy of their logic.
@samnabawy2731 no they don't believe "god gave them the land"
We must never forget that some of the most eloquent and most important voices against this war and genocide have been Jews who have informed us and spoken out loud and clearly against this horror.
I don't know about a failed state, but it's definitely a warlord state.
Yes, damn straight it is.
If the Nobel prize actually meant anything, Pappe should get one.
After they gave it to President Drone Strike, they ruined any significance that it may have once had.
The Nobel prize means a lot but the Nobel PRICE means nothing! Go back to school.
@@waltermesser9737 Not a native speaker, but yeah, embarrassing mistake. Let's hear your German. Oh and the nobel prize is entirely meaningless.
In a perfect world, every conversation about this issue, Should be this.
Moral bankruptcy is a rot that spreads to all aspects of life eventually.
As usual, I was blocked from commenting on Yahoo.
From the Chicago Tribune: 'According to new survey data produced by The Pearson Institute and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, to coincide with this month’s Pearson Global Forum, public views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict generally, and this war specifically, are relatively static.' - Paul Poast, October 11, 2024
My blocked comment: No surprise there! Given the fact that normies usually get informed by the corporate mainstream 'news' and not from the likes of Sam Seder, Jordan Chariton and Glenn Greenwald.
F Yahoo!
Many thanks, Sam!
“Some people disagree with me, therefore their sources must be wrong”
A winning argument.
Off topic: No one seems to recall the dancing ‘Chosen Few’ watching from afar during 9/11 ? Chew Slow……
Not yet, but it is a rogue state.
Did anyone else see Bill Maher's show last night? The man is absolutely off his rocker with his staunch Islamophobia and Zionism. I won't watch his show anymore he's awful.
Thank you Sam and Emma for hosting Ilan Pappe 🙏❤
Yes, the secular methods from the ottoman rule seemed to have worked better than the british colonial project/2 state solution.
Great topics, thank you all!
"failed" lol, you guys crack me up
A rotten-banana republic.
Israel state?
They are bound to fail as occupation will never succed.
It's worrying how they have sustained one for 57 years. Something seriously needs to change for it to end .
Trump will not make things better for those people.
right. both parties support Israel unconditionally