@@ultimatecontagion facts. I mean come on dbs you make goku and vegeta get god transformations and then have them fail with them in literly every saga with a villian and they are randomly able to handle goku and vegeta as gods.
Sure Ozaru is outdated but I'll always be a bit upset that it was just *completely* abandoned, because at the base of things Saiyans are space monkey men and its an important part of their heritage.
@GHZ J2691 the kais/angels were the first and created life in their image. Idc if this isn’t canon it’s the only thing that makes sense so by default it is now canon.
Personally, SS4 is my favorite. Love the unique design and attitude change that accompanies it. It was pretty fun watching Goku turn from a fun, carefree character to a more serious, egotistical character.
I can’t believe no one has mentioned this. To improve these forms, they need to have unique traits for each of them. For example, in the BOG movie, they introduced that the God form has a unique healing property. So to make each form useful, make each of them have a unique property
I'd love to see their goal as them being able to switch between transformations faster and more efficiently at will, with the objective of taking advantage of each unique property (as you suggested) for each specific situation of a fight. Much better than just constantly adding a new transformation that is essentially just same as previous, but faster/stronger and with some visual change
@@bonrick_0494 Little dense, but Super Saiyan God has a healing property. During the battle of gods you can see it healing Goku back up. And in the manga he uses it to heal Roshi. However it seems to be very limited and can't use it in the middle of the fight. Probably requires concentration that only not being in battle can provide. And in the Granola arc he uses the healing properties of it to heal himself in base. But all of these situations he's not actively fighting and uses it to either return to the fight or to return someone else to a fight
Exactly this! I've wanted that for so long. God being an energy conserving form that allows for passive healing and godly techniques. And Blue being an all out power form allowing goku and Vegeta to fight at max with godly ki. Personally, I wish that UI and UE didn't give strength boasts. They were just blue strength plus instant dodging or blue strength plus damage giving added boasts.
I've always absoulutly hated how the red haired form was called "super sayian god" and the blue haired form is called either "super sayian god super sayian" or "super sayian blue". It's super dumb because the red haired form is literally just their base form with god ki and the blue is super sayian form with god ki. Therefore the red haired form should be called "sayian god" and the blue "super sayian god".
I agree, but I also completely understand why they don't use it for the animators as I would NEVER want to draw that nevertheless have to draw it for hundreds of times Unless I was rohan
Yeah, SSG was pretty great. SSB is awful, especially because they went ahead and ditched SSG almost immediately. But SSB is just SSJ but more power. Literally the same thing. SSG had changes to appearances and fighting style, and for the first time in a long time it showed Goku as a pure martial artist rather than an energy blast and big punch machine.
@@sethb3090 SSG had the potential to have all these cool techniques and abilities limited to the form itself, which could make it more like a trick and strategy type form mixed with their fighting styles to win against stronger opponents like when Goku used his god bind move on Broly in the movie. SSB is literally just the brawler type form SSJ but with SSG type power. It makes sense why it was created but it just isn’t satisfactory for us fans, or me at least.
Ssjb should have been a dramatic transformation in the goku black arc when zamasu tells goku about how he killed his family and not just a showcase in resurrection F
Same... I actually like SSJ3. It’s like a double edge sword, you need more power, activate SSJ3 to get it done quickly. Plus design wise, it really looks cool, real menacing.
It was my fave too should have been a berserker type transformation just makes u a absolute tank raw strength stamina speed at the cost of ki blasts and reason
@khalid waleed I know it’s a little silly but it’s definitely not the worst name for a transformation like golden frieza or even “super saiyan god super saiyan”
I really like ssj4, it feels to me like it's the closest to what either the original legendary super Saiyan might have looked like, or what I would have imagined a super Saiyan god, cause to me just changing hair color doesn't fit well with the whole monkey thing, and ssj4 takes that and makes it into a part of the transformation unlike basically every other form
I agree. Although technically non-canon, ssj4 is by far the best and most logical transformation. Visually, I would only change the color of the fur from red to golden brown. I absolutely hate most of the new transformations in super.
Agreed. Super saiyan 4 mixing great ape into a human body with a super saiyan is so smart. It looks so damn cool and it’s not just a recolour. It’s actually a original form. It looks so good.
Or just general grappling, grabbing, pinning somebody down for long enough, etc. Like when Goku had to hold Raditz hostage to allow Piccolo to charge and hit with the special beam cannon
It wouldn’t woek because Grade 3 requires quite a bit of extra time to get into, the muscle mass can’t increase instantly. While SSG/SSB is Ki-only, so it you can switch instantly
Wasnt ssj3 easier to maintain while he was training in the afterlife? Something about the limitations of a physical body, maybe I remember incorrectly.
No that's exactly what he said. Being dead he had no limitation to that form. The reason he couldn't use it for long while "dead" and on earth was that it sped up the time he had left because it was draining the borrowed body he was using for a day.
I have an idea to fix sjj3 tho if they apply the training they used to get ssjgssj or ssjblue by closing off the leaks where there energy comes out and by focusing on keeping the ki in use that in ssj3 and its possible to make it stronger.
@Altimoix too slim to me. Like goku was cutting bulk/went on a diet. Didn't need to bigger than base or ss but I don't like the slimmer look. I think buu saga ss2 perfected the look besides ss4
I like the idea that 3 is the result of forcing every drop of power out of Super Saiyan, so you can't reduce the stamina drain but you can bring up the power. So the 400×base power we saw from Goku was the result of training in Otherworld, and by Battle of Gods it would be even stronger.
SSJ2 has always been a weird transformation to me. In the Cell Saga it was phenomenal but after that it felt almost like an afterthought and just a transition to SSJ3. Like after Cell, the form just never gets to truly shine or have a big standout moment. Also heard that Toriyama forgot about it and thought that SSJ3 was SSJ2 (don't know how true this is but I wouldnt be surprised) SSJ Blue for me is my least favorite. Literally comes out of nowhere with no build up and essentially tosses the much more interesting SSJ God to the side almost immediately after its introduced. Also didnt help that it was overused to shit and watching it get beaten time and time again made it lose its luster.
I don't like SSJ3 for the same reason you don't like Blue. It came out of nowhere and tossed aside a form that actually had a narrative building up to it. Combined with being added in my least favorite arc, I wasn't a fan. It's at least original by comparison to blue I guess.
@@tkbryan95 Yeeeeah I can't argue with you there. SSJ3, while visually cool, is pretty lackluster especially with how it barely got used. At least SSJ2 had SOME type of shine before it got overshadowed. SSJ God had one movie where it was introduced, and lost the final fight mind you, before SSJ Blue comes out of nowhere and then we don't see SSJ God again for so long.
My headcanon (don't know if its confirmed officially) is that ssj2 is a form where the user managed to acquire the power of ssj grade 3 without the drop in speed. So it is the pinnacle of evolved super sayian form, maximum power with maximum speed.
@@beywheelzhater8930 God is honestly a pretty interesting form that I feel couldve been delved into way more just like the original SSJ form, but sadly got tossed aside by the next movie.
I remember going to the public library back in the day to google images and printing copies of all the DBZ characters paying 10 cents each copy then I would take them home and try to draw them!
@Ellin Amran you have to use a lot of power to use it while useing a lot of power to stay in the form its overall pretty bad for long fights. Which most fights in dbs are long. Unless you have around 1000 beans then it wont even last him as long as the fight with kid buu on the kai's world. (Which is shown in the anime)
@@TRYhollow0 its just ki control, much like ssj3, ssjb is the same thing when it was shown, goku described how much ki he has to consume to keep the form going. Ssj1 and ssjg are probably the only forms that have little to no drawbacks
I think the best way to fix most transformations in the DB universe, is transformations having different attributes or abilities. Maybe one makes you faster but hit weaker. Or one gives you crazy ki but tire you out faster. Maybe one gives you some random ability all together. For the most part, every transformation just makes you a better you.
@@senior.toucan6370 yeah, UI is a technique and a transformation. When goku has the white hair, that’s the transformation, but when his hair is still black that’s the technique. (I think)
I don’t like ssj2 as much since they were lazy with the design, the spikier hair should’ve been like that with ssj1 imo. And yea I also like ssj god, although I think it should be renamed to saiyan god
Nah, it should just be ssj and ss god. Broly should have kept tail and get ssj4 design with power lvl of ssj2 or 3. Maybe another evolution in the line to compete with ss god
Here's an idea for Super Saiyan 3: keep the energy drain, but do it all at once. Like, when the body is fully acclimated, the form takes a ton of energy to access, but after that it's stable. It becomes a big gamble if used too late in a fight.
@@TheUnseenPath Like he did against Kid Buu? Yeah, except it would happen right away. So, you either need to start off with Super Saiyan 3 from the get-go, and therefore go in with a gas tank that's partially empty, or you risk burning all that energy to access the form and reverting right back to base when you get it, if you get it at all.
As in, SSJ3's energy drain is purely in the activation. But once you've actually gotten into the form, it needs practically nothing, like Grade 4, to sustain itself? That's a much more interesting way of looking at it. Rather than, "I'm low on Ki, I've got one or two shots in SSJ3 if I change now," it's "Shit, I've burned too much energy, I can't even get to SSJ3 anymore." That's a very neat way of looking at it
The best is SS4,or if you grew up with Japanese or anything that speaks up "Saiyajin" SSJ4 Its because its Monke power,no Godly bs,the Primal monki is superior
Another thing to note is that it may not be as strong as Super Saiyan Blue, but in terms of pros and cons, it literally has NO CONS whatsoever meaning it's a helluva lot easier to use then Blue.
It wasn't that he didn't even reach ssj2 homie didn't even master ssj. Ssj grade 4 has the power of grade 3 but not limiting the speed and doesn't consume a crap ton of power
Same but being older and wiser now, the fact that it drains so much energy and achieved no wins rubbed me the wrong way, I love ssj4 the most because of how it was discovered…the gold ozaru surprise then the stabilization of the power was the second best in the series behind the first ssj transformation we saw
The problem with SS3 is that it came out of nowhere and was a completely unearned powerup, which is a cardinal sin as far as I’m concerned when it comes to Dragonball.
I guess Masako X gave a perfect solution to the SSJ3 problem. Simply making its attacks more Ki based rather than physical can be a great way to use it more efficiently. Sure it will drain its power quicker, but atleast he can capitalize on the power boost to dominate the match early on. Once the power is drained enough to the point that form becomes non sustainable, Goku can use his physical prowess to gain back the lost power.
The same can be done for the SS1 phase 3 muscle form. If these forms didn't take so long to switch into anyway. Works for Roshi and other big bads, so it was an odd stand out with the speed issues.
@@robinthrush9672 I think the point was that grade 3 didn't actually increase your ki efficiency, but instead just muscle density. Ironically one of the worst forms also happens to be one of the best narratively lmao.
@@robinthrush9672 Fun fact: in the fan-made comic Dragon Ball Multiverse, one of the versions of Future Trunks learns how to switch between Super Saiyan and SS Grade 3 _very_ quickly. He fights using regular SS because it's faster; but switches to Grade 3 the instant before his hits connect, to benefit from the extra strength without losing much speed.
Nah, that description would make the form even less efficient. A way to keep the SS3 is having it as a finisher. Have Goku fight as a Super Saiyan (phase 1 or 2), do combos with that form and then transform into phase 3 to do a super finisher move (either a Kamehameha or a striking combo).
@@martinaguiluz4063 Something like in the Hirudegarn Movie, SSJ3 being a form only to be used if you can end the battle quickly. Or if you've got a handful of Senzu.
This just reminds me how weak the original saiyans really are. compared to alot of other races. Nail couldve been the king of the saiyans and Gero could've taken over frieza's whole organization with androids.
@@jums8224 true. crazy to think that all of that from.vegeta and goku fight until the androids was only 3 years. and android 17 and 18 apparently had a hacked growth mode or something because they grew as strong as the saiyans with light work at best. infinite energy or not they still did not train or have battles like everyone else.
Nah, Raditz was surprised that somebody was givin him trouble, so it safe to assume that it was unfortunate coincidences that powerful people started coming around...
Let’s be honest here: SSJ got hella nerfed in super and needs to make a comeback. Keep in mind that SSJ Goku was folding full power final form frieza and Blueku was weaker than golden frieza without full power on.
Golden Frieza is in fact faster thank goku. Frieza’s new found power was actually a lot greater than goku’s in resurrection F but he couldn’t maintain it long and eventually lost the endurance battle. After that goku got stronger than Frieza since the next time they’ll meet he would have already mastered Ultra Instinct I’m not saying SSJ isn’t dope, it is but let’s not get delusional😂 SSJ 1 thanks to toriyama lost it’s grandeur all about Blue, UI, and Destruction powers for the next few arcs after super (Read the manga) so better buckle up for Prince of Destruction Vegeta and SSJGSS + ULTRA instinct. I’d love for SSJ to get some love but thanks to Moro arc theirs just no way
@@evnvader1337 yea, I just wish people don’t act like it’s weak and Battle of gods “mere super sayain” quote is probably the reason. If Super sayain just so happened to be slightly more relevant I’d be happy
@@Killmerightnow You might just be right, When I heard that line I got bummed out because I still think gold is much better than Red or Blue, Besides my favorite form has always been SSJ3 anyway so yeah if anyone wanted to see Super Sayian come back, it’s me too!
Edit: People seem to think I'm summing up Blue to its strength? I'm talking about narratively and visually. Visually, God looked so much better. Narratively, Blue came out of nowhere and accomplished nothing. I could care less about how strong it is. Besides, I think it's oversaturated and we see it everywhere. If we stuck with God, it could be justifiable to see more Super Saiyan 1, 2, and 3, and have God be a trump card which requires Goku and Vegeta to be calm and collected. Not to mention they already retconned so many cool things about it, like its healing properties and invisible God ki. But no, what we got was Goku and Vegeta only using Super Saiyan as a warm-up, and Blue every chance they got. There's not even a clear stamina drain like people say. They use Blue so much, I never got the impression the transformation was taxing, like SS3. Blue's honestly the worst. It came out of nowhere, and visually, is just a reskin of Super Saiyan. It doesn't even have a unique aura. They should have stuck with God. The hair didn't spike and the aura looked like a flame. It made Goku look younger and skinnier, and visually and narratively, was different. It was the power of the Gods. Not to mention, it was unique how God was about being calm and controlling your Ki. Blue is just, more screaming and raging while just being Super Saiyan, but blue.
The real reason why Super Saiyan 2 and 3 aren’t often used is because the Saiyans are holding back, and if they aren’t, they literally just skip to Super Saiyan Blue.
@@MrFusion yeah, i know, and that's why it's one of my most favourite transformations below super saiyan 3 thanks to gohan as well, since it literally just a remastered version of super saiyan, and to see that it's not being used as often for literally no reason, really makes me grumpy.
@@MrFusion they have more control in ssj1 u need rage to acces most saiyan transformation or l atleast to trigger them until u get the god forms that’s when u have calm down and hold your ki inside your own body
I think the Golden Ozaru is a good way to make it useful. Combine Super Saiyan with Ozaru. That's immediately a 500x boost, making it stronger than Super Saiyan 3. Combine it with other forms of Super Saiyan, like 2 making the hair all spiky, 3 having that hair, God Ozaru getting red fur, that kind of stuff.
I completely agree, but imo make the change from regular to Super Ozaru be more subtle rather than full on Golden Fur so it can also act as a way to get your opponent off their guard thinking it's such a regular Great Ape
Well that is way too op but U FORGOT THE WEAKNESSES SSJ3 WOULD DRAIN EVEN MORE ENERGY GOKU WOULD BE WAY SLOWER AND DID U FORGET THAT HE CANT CONTROL HIS GREAT APE FORM??!! IMAGINE IF HE STILL HAD THE GREAT APE IN DBS AND HE LOOKED AT A FULL MOON AND TURN INTO A GREAT APE THEN TRANSFORM INTO A SSJB OOZARU HE WOULD DESTROY THE EARTH
I think it'd be neat if someone like Gohan focused more on SSG than SSGB, maybe learning some fancy god-powers like Healing, maybe Defusing, Ki Manipulation (like what Goku did to Broly to slow him down)
@@willi898 Yeah those type or people take Gokus statement that he had infinite Power literally lmao like since King Piccolo said he was invincible dose that actually mean he was invincible?
I really do love SSJ3. I wish they would have spent more time on trying to perfect it, but at the same time, I think it’s dropped because of the time it takes to draw
Well, vegeta likely still knew how to do that moon energy thing from when he had a tail. So, if some random tailed Saiyan coukd have been in u7 team, that would be interesting. Assuming, Vegeta would bother to agree to it. We know how he can be.
SSj2 being pretty much deprecated is the most saddening thing about the transformations to me. It was a straight-up upgrade from normal Super Saiyan and doesn't have the SSj3 energy draining downside, or any movement speed penalty, etc.
@@POPJack1717 funny how you say that when ssj2 and ssj3 are used quite a bit in the dbs manga i’d go as far to say that the dbs manga gives nearly every transformation justice, from trunks refining his super saiyan 2 all the way to the level of goku’s super saiyan 3 to goku using ssj3 loads with it actually getting a few wins(i think toyo likes ssj3)
@@Jaydavid25. Im on the same boat. They seem to be attempting to remedy that with the DBS broly movie having goku pull out a technique using his godly ki to ensnare and trap opponents, but it still just seemed to be another hair color change form for both goku and vegeta to utilize instead of actually using godly techniques and abilities. Hopefully, the future movies and the next season of DBS fix this, at least with their adaptation of the moro arc
I still think my favorite transformations in Dragon Ball are Ultra Instinct and Ego. They are so good from a characterization standpoint and it makes Goku and Vegeta more distinct in their movesets
In my personal opinion I feel like the forms with the biggest flaws are SSJ3, SSB and SSJ Grade 3 due to the rapid ki drain, stamina drain, and degraded speed from both respectively while the forms that are almost perfect for usage would be SSG and SSJ4 because SSG is basically and literally the base state of the Godly forms so there’s no ki drain, slower speed, stamina drain, etc while SSJ4 it’s basically the same as SSG when it comes to no downsides while using them if they wanted to they could literally be in SSG and SSJ4 all the time if they wanted to
@@dmitribrutus5543 That’s what I’m saying Oozaru and SSJ does too as it’s the whole reason behind every other form because every form is an offshoot of SSJ same way that Golden Oozaru and SSJ4 is an offshoot of the Oozaru beach of transformations and SSB too kinda as well as it’s the next step into the Godly realm
@@JDot_9 Oozaru and SSJ line is definitely made Saiyans more unique. Although I do wished they could’ve expanded the Super Saiyan God form more than introducing the Blue form. Seeing how anime and the movie, Super Saiyan God has many different abilities that was never explained.
Ssj3 and Blue don't decrease your speed they just have high stamina drain, which isn't an issue for Blue after the U6 arc. Ki is directly related to stamina. It's not that SSJ4 or God don't have Ki drain or don't take a toll on the body, it's just they are more refined forms. If that were the case he would be able to maintain the respective forms until knocked unconscious, which we know isn't the case. Ssj grade 3 is the only form that decreases speed.
For me Super Saiyan 2 actually is something I always wanted to see.. It looks badass especially with the lightning effects. As for Super Saiyan 3, it was actually a wasted transformation. I actually love seeing it. In SDBH (although most people call it non canon), I'm actually happy to know and see that Cumber pretty much just outright transforms to Super Saiyan 3 like it was a normal thing for him. Haha! Would love see the God form again. Like it would be used first before going all out in Blue Form. 🤐
I always loved ss3 this should have been a straight tank transformation. Should be a massive boost to all physical abilities speed and strength endurance and stamina at the cost of key consumption and hamper it was something like it draws off their life force so they can burn out too long in the transformation
Very nice video. I love videos like this, where the purpose is giving more depth to overlooked/oversimplified mechanics. Here is how I would reword several aspects of Dragon Ball, in order to make every transformation mentioned in this video useful to some extent, and cut a bit on the power creep: *Oozaru rework* In order to supplement future transformations, my version of Oozaru is a bit different. It's an innate part of Saiyan Biology, and it's not something that can be turned off, avoided or disabled, whether by removing a tail or destroying the moon. As long as the Saiyan lives, they *will* periodically turn into an Oozaru and rampage until they calm down. (A piece of lore that can be added to this: Back in Vegeta there used to be huge arenas where Saiyans can duke it out in Oozaru form. That way, they could spend their Oozaru cycle fighting in empty spaces, instead of destroying property) *Humanoid Oozaru/Oozaru Containment* This is the form displayed by New Broly, where he can access his Oozaru strength in humanoid form. I will be changing how it works. Rather than a transformation that can be charged in combat situations, this isn't so much a form, but rather a technique. Essentially, this technique allows the User to no longer transform into a mindless Oozaru, by *merging* the Oozaru self and the conscious self, and it's active 24/7. This allows the user to apply the strength of their Oozaru transformation to their base form, and avoid rampaging as a mindless ape. However, this also subjects the user to the aggression and animalistic side of their Oozaru self, drastically changing their personality. This can be remedied, by it's not an easy process, and requires a long period of therapy and meditation. However, after said process is complete, a vast majority of the aggression can be contained, and thus this essentially becomes a huge boost to the user's base form. *Super Saiyan 1* This form is severely under-used currently, so I will be giving it a buff. This form, when compared to the others, will be EXTREMELY efficient in terms of Ki and Stamina consumption. In other words, this form compensates the lower multiplier by lasting much longer, and helping the user last longer in a battle of attrition. For example, against someone like Kid Buu, who needs to be damaged over and over and over again before starting to slow down, this form would perform the best. *Super Saiyan 3* (Yes, I skipped 2, you will see why) Super Saiyan 3 is the *opposite* of Super Saiyan 1, as it's extremely dispendious, straining and inefficient, but much, *much* stronger. What holds this form back the most is it's cost, and the fact that using Ki techniques becomes harder due to the leakage of Ki. So, I will be turning this weakness into a trade-off. Rather than leaking harmlessly, instead this form leaks Ki *violently.* Just transforming into it causes the ground to crack, tornados to form and everything in the general vicinity to burn from the violent release of Ki. Using moves such as Ki beams or Instant Transmission is basically impossible in this form, but the user gets a huge boost in speed, and the aura of destructive energy causes their physical moves such as punches and kicks to become devastatingly damaging and have a burning feeling to them. Essentially, this form is short, but made to finish fights quickly, and it's extreme power boost would be perfect if the user wants to take on someone who are stronger than themselves. For example, Jiren. *Super Saiyan 2* Now that I talked about the two extremes, it becomes much easier to talk about the middle ground. Super Saiyan 2 is the perfectly middle-ground between the other two forms. For when you need strength, but don't want to commit to SS3, for when you want to last, but SS1 is not strong enough. This form would be good for sparing, due to it's good mix of pushing your strength over a larger period of time, or taking on well-rounded enemies like Frieza. *Super Saiyan 4* And finally, the last non-God Ki form. Super Saiyan 4 is explicitly intended to be more focused on the Oozaru side, and it's requirements are having the Golden Oozaru, which is essentially a fusion of the Super Saiyan and Oozaru forms. So, let's double down on it. The new Super Saiyan 4 only requires mastering the Oozaru Containment and unlocking Super Saiyan 3, so we skip Golden Oozaru. This form works by basically *inverting* the user's natural state. A master of Oozaru Containment will be mostly themselves, while retaining a little bit of their Oozaru side. This allows them to user their Oozaru side to power up their normal self. SS4 inverts that, and the user becomes mostly Oozaru, while retaining a little bit of themselves. Essentially using their SS3 selves to power up their Oozaru self, thus achieving an even higher level of power than regular SS3. Due to the higher resilience of the Oozaru body and mind, SS4 is also not as taxing as regular SS3. The major drawback, however, is that this form is mostly anger and aggression. The user's techniques and logical thinking suffer, and it's incredibly dangerous to use when there are allies or civilians nearby, as the SS4 selves are very unlikely to care about damage control, differentiate foe from ally or hold back to not kill the enemy. Thus, this ultimate form is better reserved as a trump card in desperate situations. *God Ki Rework* Now, for the elephant in the room. How the hell we enable God Ki transformations without them making the current ones obsolete? By making each one specialized, of course! Dragon Ball makes a point to separate Mortal Ki from God Ki, so let's separate their utilities as well! God Ki is now more effective against beings of Godly nature, but *less* effective against mortals. Similarly, regular Ki is effective against mortals, but *less* effective against Gods. So, while you could use Super Saiyan Blue to fight a mortal, the reduce effectiveness means you'd probably be better off using Super Saiyan 2 or 3. And vice versa. Now, each branch of forms is only good against a certain type of enemy, thus there isn't a one-size-fits-all form anymore. Also, when you're using a God Ki transformation, this means your Ki is now God Ki, thus you're more vulnerable to opposing God Ki. Same goes for Mortal Ki and mortals. Thus, the only way to use the effective Ki against an opponent is by making yourself vulnerable to them as well, thus ensuring the playing field is always leveled. *Super Saiyan God* Now, SSG is no longer a downgrade from Blue, now both are Ying and Yang, two halves of the quintessential "God Ki Super Saiyan" concept. Due to it's canon healing properties, SSG is now the *defensive half* of God Ki. It's Ki is geared toward shielding and healing. It's not as fast or damaging as Blue, but using Ki to make your body more durable is far more effective, and you can drain Ki and Stamina to have a constant regeneration factor or heal other people. *Super Saiyan Blue* SSB is now the exact opposite. It concedes more speed and strength to the user, at the cost of being more draining and not good at all on defense. It's essentially the less extreme, God-Ki version of SS3. Since SSG has an unique property, Blue will too. Blue now has a *draining* property. Whenever a punch lands, SSB drains a bit of the opponent's vitality, reducing their Ki AND Stamina reserves simultaneously. This vitality is then consumed to give the user a temporary power boost. This makes SSB geared toward all-out offense, and makes it much harder for an enemy to stall/outlast it without regeneration or infinite Ki and Stamina. The boost's effects don't stack, but the duration does. So punching the enemy multiple times won't make the user stronger, but will make the boost last longer. *Bonus: Super Saiyan Rosé* Since Zamasu's whole thing is that he kill both mortals *and* Gods who dare stand in his way, as well as the fact that he is a God in a Mortal's body, then Super Saiyan Rosé is now the best of both worlds. It is a special blend of Ki, who is effective against both Gods and Mortals equally, while similarly being vulnerable to both. Since it was supposed to be the counterpart to SSB, then I will give it offensive properties as well. Instead of the energy drain, instead it has a "corrosion" effect. It's effectively a Ki Poison, which eats the opponent from inside-out. The effects increases the more Ki the opponent uses, but only lasts a short while. Goku Black/Zamasu need to continue landing hits to keep the effect active. *Ultra Instinct/Ultra Ego* Personally, I would prefer the best if these two aren't so much forms, but rather techniques. Ultra Instinct is a state of mind that allows the user to not be held back by emotions and dodge automatically. Of course, this technique is extremely hard to use, which is why Goku can so far only use it in base. But eventually, once he masters it enough, it should be able to be used in tandem with his forms to increase their defensive effectiveness even further. Ultra Ego is similar, but opposite. Instead of a form, it's the ability to convert your Ki into Destruction Energy, which has the properties of Hakai. Once Vegeta masters it, he should be able to use it in tandem with his forms, enhancing their destructive power even further.
Ssj4 is the most overrated thing in all of dragon ball period it shares almost every problem with ssjblue don't believe me? Both show up with no build up goku just looks at earth and goes golden great ape and after that boom ssj4 it was a literal ass pull with no build up Almost useless yep the only main villain it killed was baby it failed to beat super 17 and shin shenron and no the random jobber black dragons don't count as "main villains" Needs tons of asspull power up's? Yep it need to be healed vs baby and gets a bullshit power boost and fusion vs shin shenron and still doesn't get the job done The only reason people like it is because it looks cool but personally the design gets boring considering its shoved into almost every db media in existence if ssj4 was just ssj with purple hair or something then nobody would care
@@loafofbread5251 every form in super is overrated lets not forget it retconned vegito because the writers were to lazy to write themselves out of it and introduced something similar to midiclorians also this dude in the video uses alot of head canon to cover supers terrible writing
I feel like SS god when it was introduced was the “strongest from”. It felt like Goku could go toe to toe with Berus. Where everyone can fight up to bar with blue
I have a way to fix SSJ grade 3: use SSJ grade 1 or 2 to quickly grab or stun the opponent, and then switch to Grade 3 to smash them while they're immobilised
I think more combining techniques and forms would be cool. I love dragonball but I think sometimes instead of just unlocking new forms they should combine their new forms with older techniques to buff both
Ssj is the weakest but ss3 lacks when it comes to a longer fight. So the real question is.... get your ass beat more that usual or win a fight but have to reboot like an old computer.
It would be interesting to see an Oozaru form return but obviously buffed, like a super oozaru where they have insane power but the drawback is they lose control.
Super Saiyan 3 aka *The Raditz* Edit: Also, Super Saiyan 4 is the best looking transformation. And I will die on that hill. Anyone who has that just gets that *DRIP*.
Actually given what Heroes has done with the form it could be the most powerful as well as with Limits Broken there's no end to the power one can attain in SSJ4.
@@robertm6590 super saiyan god doesn’t just change hair and eye colour, it changes the entire physique to be more slender and skinny which is probs the most change you can see in any saiyan transformation so yes blue is a bit generic compared to ssg
@@robertm6590 it makes you very thin just like most gods in the series and has a really cool fire aura and exclusive abilities like healing and god bind
Just had a thought. The God Swopping technique is exactly the same fix one would use to fix SSJ3. If you power up in SSJ2 you can “fill the balloon”, then swop into SSJ3 when you are ready to attack up close with greater speed and power. They should’ve written it into the manga even. Imagine if Vegeta did the God Swopping technique for the first time and when asked by Goku how he thought of doing that he says that before deciding to pursue SSG he had been training to figure out how to make SSJ3 effective. Because he had found the power drain wasn’t worth him going into the form, thus he attempted to swop between SSJ2 and SSJ3, only going into SSJ3 before making contact with his enemy, which would require powering SSJ2 up to just before those point of ascension into 3. Then Battle of Gods happened and he abandoned his training with SSJ3 and focused on attaining SSG. But after attaining SSB and training on how to push its usefulness to a brief height he remembered his experiments with SSJ3 and thus God Swopping was invented
I dont think adding forms are bad, i think that when you add too many forms too fast then a lot of them instantly become obsolete. I mean SSJ2 was introduced at the end of the Cell Saga and then at the beginning/middle of the Buu Saga SSJ3 was already released. Like they gave it ZERO time to shine as the new powerful form that everyone wants to achieve
yeah. God should've stayed at goku and vegeta's peak forms till maybe the end of the goku black arc where they achieve blue, and then goku could achieve UI omen but still have blue as his max form till the moro arc where he can go UI omen willingly but it takes alot out of him, then then the granolah arc can give us true UI.
honestly you can kinda say the same about super saiyan it's not as bad but it had a very weird run post frieza where it gets immediately outshined by man made cyborgs. However I agree that they didnt explore the form enough, the gang got to try and perfect the first stage but you dont see it at all for SS2
@@Gensolink nah they gave SSJ pretty much the entire Android/Cell Saga time to shine, not to mention Vegeta always hinted at the legend of a super saiyan But SSJ2 probably had like a combined 5 episodes of being the most powerful new form
@@ProjektTaku SSJ2 and SSJ God they were way to quick to move on from. I think another thing that plays into it is that the SSJ3 and SSJB forms were achieved by off screen training and it didn’t really earn itself as the do or die needed in the moment power boost like SSJ, SSJ2, MUI, etc did
@@CaptainProx yeah, and they didn't do much either. Ssj3 never got a W and neither did blue, not even in there debut. Removing super saiyan 3 just makes the buu saga a much cleaner story and removing blue just increases the the use of god and makes freeza's power up slightly less ridiculous. The reason why people love super saiyan 4, so much is that it was the final power up for all of gt.
Actually in the manga right now, Goku does use SSG to boost up his power when he taps into ultra instinct (without turning into ultra instinct. He trained with whis to get that). It isn’t really more useful than it is in the anime but it’s a nice touch that Goku can use other forms to boost up ultra Instinct
@@ErenYeager-oi6hu you clearly don’t understand that goku had ZERO access to ultra instinct until his training with whis and even then until after he’d perfected blue (in the manga)
I hate how every time Goku and Vegeta get stronger, some new villain automatically matches them. Can’t they beat the crap out of the new villains once in a while?
@@ErenYeager-oi6hu Nah, thats the cures of shonen, mangaka think thats entertaining and sometimes it is if done right. But dragonball literally introduces a stronger villain every arc after gaining a new form. Goku beats king pickle, raditz shows up. Goku learns Kioken and beats nappa, Vegeta was stronger than Kioken by going grape ape. Goku got a big boy zenkai boost, Frieza was still stronger, Goku learned SSJ1, the androids show up., he learns SSJ1 grade 4, perfect cell was stronger. Gohan Learns SSJ2, SUPER PERFECT CELL was slightly stronger cuz technicallty he was SSJ2 since he had lightning in his aura. Daibura shows up and is on par with SSJ2, beat him, Buu shows up and wrecks it all. Goku learned SSJ3 and was stronger than Fat/good Buu, Super Buu shows up and Goku actually states he can't take super buu on. Gohan turns ultimate/mystic, Buu absorbs pickle and gotenks and becomes stronger. Vegito shows up, is stronger than buu period. BEERUS SHOWS UP. and it goes on and on. infact blue was already dog water when Frieza revived because the reason they won, was because golden form was draining but Frieza was actually outright stronger than SSJBlue Goku in that movie. Dragonball is about split second powers ups dwarfed by the very next enemy to be dwarfed by a new power up that begins the cycle again.
People say ssg is the worst but it’s truly the best because that’s when god ki came into the story and with god ki we got ssg, ssb, uio, Mui, pui, tui, ue, ssjbe, and that’s because ssg was the key to all these forms
the most obvious and beneficial change that could have been used is by having the forms have a specialty rather than an overall power modifier. the idea of grade 3 not being a boost to all stats was a good idea because it could have made the characters use it in niche situations. like how goku did the blue red switch versus dyspo, there could have been a grade 3 and 4 switch to get the most out of the brute strength without sacrificing speed. all the forms should have unique uses like that rather than making them inconceivably powerful in all categories.
They're pretty much the purest Saiyan's in the story now. Some of the others have moved on and have a life beyond fighting. The rest of the others just can't keep up anymore. Goku and Vegeta are always training so they get the best results.
@@Eric-py8yy Agreed. At this point it would be better if they did some sort of spin-off focusing on someone else that we've seen or someone new instead of focusing on the exact same 2 characters we've seen for the last 10+ years. Although, I highly doubt that they ever will. I'm surprised that the franchise is still relevant to this day considering that they've been following the exact same formula for a while now.
@@luisn.pietanesi255 The next movie will be about Gohan and Piccolo, while Goku and Vegeta are out in another planet (at least it's what i heard of). Maybe, if the movie is a success they'll keep doing side stories with other characters.
I like to think ssj blue evolved is just perfected blue since vegeta was still able to go into it after getting beat up by jiren and defeating god of destruction toppo
Deep down, it still hurts that SSJ4 didn't get used as the pathway to achieving God Ki. Could have made for a more interesting plot device when fleshing out the lore surrounding the power of the SSJ4 transformation. Instead, we got that god ritual thingy that became irrelevant soon after is was introduced. Using the Zenkai boost as a Great Ape skill, which is how the SSJ4 form taps into unlimited plot armor.
It's a one time use tho. It's not going to fool everyone and Vegeta most likely was thinking Trunks didn't learn anything and tried to punish him for his mistake. It wasn't expecting to be used that way at all lol
4 needs to be made cannon. It's the perfect final form imo cause it's mixing ape form with humanoid and just looks B.A. I hate the new just change color pallet for a new form crap.
Smth interesting, if there’s a “ki leak”, why doesnt he adapt ssj3 into god? Its probably ridiculously hard and he is focusing on UI but that power would be insane
@@GogolTheEnjoyer True, but that power gap could compare to MUI's lower tiers if he achieves a hypothetical 3 Evolution. Tho he probably wouldn't because Vegeta is the one who explored that
Super Saiyan 3 is my personal favorite I wish there was more moments with it. What if they bring it back but it's a mastered version were it doesn't drain energy so rapidly or at all. it also would be cool if they would bring it back with God ki.
That's probably because all of Goku's fights in base god are pretty epic? It's kind of like UI lite where he just becomes way more agile and dodges hits instead of tanking them. Contrary to the raw power fighting style of blue, base god is where Goku really goes full martial artist (even when it's introduced vs Beerus and they're having a slugfest, he creates a perfected counter midfight to limit the collateral damage) and that's probably what makes it so appealing.
@@sethb3090 yo facts, ssb is like the ssj2 of dbs, we have already seen the same style of fighting in dbz, but ssg is when goku goes skill mode and starts using actual martial arts and using his powers in creative ways like immobilisation, in ssb he just spams ki blasts and kamehameha its repetitive and annoying tbh
SSG needs more screen time. The way Goku and Vegeta use it in the Broly movie was amazing. Also bring the form switch from red to blue to red in the anime
I’d love to see the characters continually improve on each form tbh. It seems like each sayian has a certain form they have perfected. But not every form. For example: Goku is shown being the most successful with the original super sayian form. Most likely because he revived the form and had the most practice with it. We see Future Trunks perfect SSJ2 in the Goku Black/ Future Zamasu arc. He takes SSJ2 to a whole new level which is shown to be on par with Super Sayian Rosé and Super Sayian Blue. While Goku is the most efficient with the SSJ3 transformation, it still has much room for improvement. That being said he seems to find reserves upon reserves when battling Kid Buu. His allotted time should have ran out much sooner, and with more training he could perfect the Ki leakage problems. Super Sayian God is more perfected by Vegeta seeing as he didn’t require the ritual to achieve this feat. He trained and found it 100% on his own which should not be over looked. His drive, determination, and pride should be praised on this point alone. Super Sayian Blue was also perfected by Vegeta as shown in the Tournament of Power Arc, when he faced Jiren, and found the Super Sayian Blue Evolution form. This form is on par with Goku’s Super Sayian Blue Kiaokin x 20. So it suffices to say that Blue Evolution is 20x stronger than that of regular Blue, and more efficient than Kaioken due to there not being a backlash. And finally the Ultra Instinct form which was perfected by Goku. This form can be obtainable by any race. Not exclusive to just Sayians or just Gods. We see that currently Angles, Gods of Destruction, and Sayians. Goku gets this because he is the first (other than angels, they are more observers than fighters) to achieve MUI. Not even Gods of Destruction have accomplished this feat yet. While there is still much room for improvement. There is no denying that this form is the pinnacle of Sayian power currently. So to summarize. Imagine if EACH AND EVERY SINGLE SAYIAN achieved: Goku’s perfected Super Sayian form Future Trunks’s perfected SSJ2 form Goku’s (potential) Perfected SSJ3 Vegeta’s determined Super Sayian God Vegeta’s Super Sayian Blue Evolution And Goku’s (potential) MUI form. If these feats were carried out equally, there would not only be a more solid control, stamina, and dexterity, but each form would become more powerful than current times. The potential is there considering a single character achieves one form at some point, it isn’t truly “exclusive” to a single person. It’s just the time, hard work, and effort put into these forms, is what caused the perfections. That’s just my personal opinion tho, what do you guys think?
Why the fk you put J on SS? Did you see the romanization of Super Saiyan Blue as SSJB or SSJGSSJ? Also, MUI doesn't exists, it's jusy UI, but I bet your tarded brain will put J on it too and make it MUIJ.
They didn’t use god mode nearly long enough. Even blue seems just good enough at this point. They should just walk around in blue form all the time like when they were preparing for cell lol
As an avid Dokkan player I love watching analysis videos like this and being able to tell when the game's assets are used because the card art is so high quality
The only reason they did that was to show her inexperience with super Saiyan forms. To which Goku quickly pointed out the mistake. Most of the ToP was Goku training her anyway which I liked, finally teaching what he knows as the undisputed master of super Saiyan to a younger pure blood.
Make people that are highly resistant to god ki then all of the normal Saiyan forms become useful, also imagine fighting someone who is invulnerable to god ki while having to deal with people who goku/vegeta need to use their god forms for, it would make for some interesting fighting in my opinion
@@maxdrags3115 where's that from that it's just more potent? It's completely different from regular ki. If it were more potent then mortals could sense it. And goku should be able to do all the things the supreme kai or beerus can. Such as nullify energy completely. No not from forces cancelling out but simply removing energy from an attack til it dissapates. God ki is different.
@@maxdrags3115 and allows you to summon things. Like how kais can summon katchin blocks and other stuff. Am I wrong in my assumption that any ability gods/god ki users use that normal ki users don't or express shock over is abilities tied to their godliness and therefore god ki?
Isn’t the whole downside of SS3 due to him never using it with a mortal body prior so his body had never adapted to it (similar to how Golden Freiza was beaten the first time)
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What if goku escaped to vampa part 12
Please
Great vid already
At least he didn't make you blink while this
Grade 3 worst 🗿
Who else likes god more then blue
Me
Super Saiyan God is treated like shit. It needs more love. How Blue is portrayed in Super is really shit.
@@ultimatecontagion facts. I mean come on dbs you make goku and vegeta get god transformations and then have them fail with them in literly every saga with a villian and they are randomly able to handle goku and vegeta as gods.
Duck Ssjb
Looks better
Sure Ozaru is outdated but I'll always be a bit upset that it was just *completely* abandoned, because at the base of things Saiyans are space monkey men and its an important part of their heritage.
@GHZ J2691 the kais/angels were the first and created life in their image. Idc if this isn’t canon it’s the only thing that makes sense so by default it is now canon.
Broly is your solution.
I remember in 2015 when Super was announced, there was a promo with Goku and Vegeta having tails. Went no where I guess
@@SX1995able show me this promo. Might have been fanmade, when people thought super was after gt
That’s why 4 is my favorite form it really ties into the heritage of saiyans.
Personally, SS4 is my favorite. Love the unique design and attitude change that accompanies it. It was pretty fun watching Goku turn from a fun, carefree character to a more serious, egotistical character.
Too bad it’s not canon, I would’ve loved to see frieza’s reaction to watching them turn into actual monkeys
@@MUIDYLANICE Goku: *Turns Super Saiyan 4*
Frieza yelling from the backround: "HA, called it.
He does that with ssj3 as well
I also rly like how it goes back to the great ape form which has since been abandoned :/
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I can’t believe no one has mentioned this. To improve these forms, they need to have unique traits for each of them. For example, in the BOG movie, they introduced that the God form has a unique healing property. So to make each form useful, make each of them have a unique property
I'd love to see their goal as them being able to switch between transformations faster and more efficiently at will, with the objective of taking advantage of each unique property (as you suggested) for each specific situation of a fight.
Much better than just constantly adding a new transformation that is essentially just same as previous, but faster/stronger and with some visual change
wait am i dense? when???
@@bonrick_0494 Little dense, but Super Saiyan God has a healing property. During the battle of gods you can see it healing Goku back up. And in the manga he uses it to heal Roshi. However it seems to be very limited and can't use it in the middle of the fight. Probably requires concentration that only not being in battle can provide. And in the Granola arc he uses the healing properties of it to heal himself in base. But all of these situations he's not actively fighting and uses it to either return to the fight or to return someone else to a fight
I thought the video was gonna talk about that but I got seriously dissapointed
Exactly this! I've wanted that for so long. God being an energy conserving form that allows for passive healing and godly techniques. And Blue being an all out power form allowing goku and Vegeta to fight at max with godly ki.
Personally, I wish that UI and UE didn't give strength boasts. They were just blue strength plus instant dodging or blue strength plus damage giving added boasts.
I've always absoulutly hated how the red haired form was called "super sayian god" and the blue haired form is called either "super sayian god super sayian" or "super sayian blue". It's super dumb because the red haired form is literally just their base form with god ki and the blue is super sayian form with god ki. Therefore the red haired form should be called "sayian god" and the blue "super sayian god".
I never made that distinction...Makes much more sense what you said
I didn't even realise this...
This one comment has made more sense than the past 3 transformations I swear
Let’s all start calling these transformations like this now this makes sense
So there can be a SSJB2 and 3...
Joke Theory: What if Goku's Ki is literally leaking out of him because of the hole where his tail used to be?
bro that actually makes sense in a way since GT Goku had a tail and could use SS3 for longer...
*_SS4 IN SUPER WHEN_*
like ssj3 is the product of the body trying to turn ssj4 but gets stunned because no tail I like the idea
Hmmm makes sense
It's not a joke the creator himself said that there tails give them better control of their forms and give them the power to go ape
@@doodlebro. ssj4 isn’t canon
Ssj3 is my favorite... it sucks that they basically “nerf “ it because it’s too hard to draw for animators
SSJ3 coolest looking, best ost, awesome transformation, ill never understand how people can not like ssj3
Deff my favorite
Ssj4 is better
I agree, but I also completely understand why they don't use it for the animators as I would NEVER want to draw that nevertheless have to draw it for hundreds of times
Unless I was rohan
@@lazyliongames5858 IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE-
I liked SSG a lot. He returned to base form and using flames to represent ki was cherry on top
Yeah, SSG was pretty great. SSB is awful, especially because they went ahead and ditched SSG almost immediately. But SSB is just SSJ but more power. Literally the same thing. SSG had changes to appearances and fighting style, and for the first time in a long time it showed Goku as a pure martial artist rather than an energy blast and big punch machine.
@@sethb3090 SSG had the potential to have all these cool techniques and abilities limited to the form itself, which could make it more like a trick and strategy type form mixed with their fighting styles to win against stronger opponents like when Goku used his god bind move on Broly in the movie. SSB is literally just the brawler type form SSJ but with SSG type power. It makes sense why it was created but it just isn’t satisfactory for us fans, or me at least.
Yes it's like jirens aura
Ssjb should have been a dramatic transformation in the goku black arc when zamasu tells goku about how he killed his family and not just a showcase in resurrection F
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Same... I actually like SSJ3. It’s like a double edge sword, you need more power, activate SSJ3 to get it done quickly. Plus design wise, it really looks cool, real menacing.
My Favorite Form.
Too bad it was made absolutely useless after z 😡😭
True that, might have lost the eyebrows but it still looks pretty cool
All I think about ssj3 is the eyebrow hair went into head hair
It was my fave too should have been a berserker type transformation just makes u a absolute tank raw strength stamina speed at the cost of ki blasts and reason
I'd just like to point out that no one has ever gone Super Saiyan with a tail (in canon) and that greatly bothers me.....
broly did
@@Jay-gj3jd no
@@Jay-gj3jd no he didn't 🙄
@@aoishizuki9493 how do you know 🤷🏽♂️ we've never seen it so realistically it could do nothing or it could do EVERYTHING.
@@aoishizuki9493 please carefully reread my comment.
Off topic but Blue Evolved has missed potential as a name, Royal Blue would’ve been so much better for Vegeta
Agreed
true ssb
@khalid waleed I know it’s a little silly but it’s definitely not the worst name for a transformation like golden frieza or even “super saiyan god super saiyan”
@khalid waleed true super s blue
@khalid waleed ore accended
For SSJ3, I think there is a semi official fix for it. In GT and Heroes, it was implied that having a tail makes the form a lot more stable.
Really? Huh. And here I thought that was just a headcanon I or someone else came up with. Cool to see that it is canon.
@@enderknight1442well, it is not a canon explanation, but it’s better than nothing
Tails gives saiyans better ki control in general
For one of the first times we almost see the full body of ultra cell
Ultra Cell? I thought it was cell if he was in the Incredibles
Incredi-Cell
Yeah I just noticed
@@cereal9879 meh similar adjectives tbf
@@cereal9879 SUPER CELL
This man’s avatar is literally just a purple Perfect Cell with the Incredibles insignia on his chest
😂😂😂😂
yea wtf😂
you are just realizing this now
@@The_Irish_Man how didn't he realize this later
you dont say?
I really like ssj4, it feels to me like it's the closest to what either the original legendary super Saiyan might have looked like, or what I would have imagined a super Saiyan god, cause to me just changing hair color doesn't fit well with the whole monkey thing, and ssj4 takes that and makes it into a part of the transformation unlike basically every other form
I agree. Although technically non-canon, ssj4 is by far the best and most logical transformation. Visually, I would only change the color of the fur from red to golden brown. I absolutely hate most of the new transformations in super.
Who?
Agreed. Super saiyan 4 mixing great ape into a human body with a super saiyan is so smart. It looks so damn cool and it’s not just a recolour. It’s actually a original form. It looks so good.
nah, ssjg is better and the design looks cooler.
@@Ligmaments I'd also probably add fur over the abs, and maybe chest, since it looks weird without it.
I feel like grade 3 could have been useful during beam clashes. It's like Roshi's buff form.
Yk i never thought about that. That’s An amazing point
Huuuuuge point right here
Or just general grappling, grabbing, pinning somebody down for long enough, etc. Like when Goku had to hold Raditz hostage to allow Piccolo to charge and hit with the special beam cannon
Or use grade 2 to reach the enemy and give grade 3 to attack and then go back down to grade 2. Like the kaioken.
It wouldn’t woek because Grade 3 requires quite a bit of extra time to get into, the muscle mass can’t increase instantly. While SSG/SSB is Ki-only, so it you can switch instantly
I’ve always thought SS2 was the coolest looking. Just thicker slightly longer hair but looks the coolest to me lmao
and electricity all around
@@Yarblocosifilitico plasma*
In teen Gohan and Majin Vegeta right?
@@SomeoneThatIsHappy is it supposed to be plasma? Plasma is fire or the aurora borealis. It really seems like electricity to me.
I think SS was the coolest, just the OG super saiyan you know
Wasnt ssj3 easier to maintain while he was training in the afterlife? Something about the limitations of a physical body, maybe I remember incorrectly.
No that's exactly what he said. Being dead he had no limitation to that form. The reason he couldn't use it for long while "dead" and on earth was that it sped up the time he had left because it was draining the borrowed body he was using for a day.
I have an idea to fix sjj3 tho if they apply the training they used to get ssjgssj or ssjblue by closing off the leaks where there energy comes out and by focusing on keeping the ki in use that in ssj3 and its possible to make it stronger.
Tbf, Piccolo noted how tired Goku looked after using SSJ3 against Fat Buu.
He didn't notice the significant energy leak while he was dead. He knew it took alot of power to use though
Super sayian 4 is the most badass looking form in my book.
Hell yeah it is.
@Altimoix too slim to me. Like goku was cutting bulk/went on a diet. Didn't need to bigger than base or ss but I don't like the slimmer look. I think buu saga ss2 perfected the look besides ss4
I want in dbs 2
I hope they merge it with SSG because I like both a lot and based on what talented artists show, it looks nice
Super Saiyan four with red hair should have been their god form.
I like the idea that 3 is the result of forcing every drop of power out of Super Saiyan, so you can't reduce the stamina drain but you can bring up the power.
So the 400×base power we saw from Goku was the result of training in Otherworld, and by Battle of Gods it would be even stronger.
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SSJ2 has always been a weird transformation to me. In the Cell Saga it was phenomenal but after that it felt almost like an afterthought and just a transition to SSJ3. Like after Cell, the form just never gets to truly shine or have a big standout moment. Also heard that Toriyama forgot about it and thought that SSJ3 was SSJ2 (don't know how true this is but I wouldnt be surprised)
SSJ Blue for me is my least favorite. Literally comes out of nowhere with no build up and essentially tosses the much more interesting SSJ God to the side almost immediately after its introduced. Also didnt help that it was overused to shit and watching it get beaten time and time again made it lose its luster.
I don't like SSJ3 for the same reason you don't like Blue. It came out of nowhere and tossed aside a form that actually had a narrative building up to it. Combined with being added in my least favorite arc, I wasn't a fan. It's at least original by comparison to blue I guess.
@@tkbryan95 Yeeeeah I can't argue with you there. SSJ3, while visually cool, is pretty lackluster especially with how it barely got used. At least SSJ2 had SOME type of shine before it got overshadowed. SSJ God had one movie where it was introduced, and lost the final fight mind you, before SSJ Blue comes out of nowhere and then we don't see SSJ God again for so long.
My headcanon (don't know if its confirmed officially) is that ssj2 is a form where the user managed to acquire the power of ssj grade 3 without the drop in speed. So it is the pinnacle of evolved super sayian form, maximum power with maximum speed.
Honestly God is one of my favorite forms, right under UI Omen, something about it is so vibrant and really fits with Goku's personality
@@beywheelzhater8930 God is honestly a pretty interesting form that I feel couldve been delved into way more just like the original SSJ form, but sadly got tossed aside by the next movie.
I remember going to the public library back in the day to google images and printing copies of all the DBZ characters paying 10 cents each copy then I would take them home and try to draw them!
Oh how times have changed :'(
@@urenaanthony91
This is a good change
Readily available resources in the palm of our hands
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@@applehazeva2739 😳
Those were simpler times...
S3 the sheer amount of effort to pull that off is insane. Even goku doesn't want to transform to that again
Vegeta straight up doesnt want to use it too lmao
But the sad part is its trash
@Ellin Amran you have to use a lot of power to use it while useing a lot of power to stay in the form its overall pretty bad for long fights. Which most fights in dbs are long. Unless you have around 1000 beans then it wont even last him as long as the fight with kid buu on the kai's world. (Which is shown in the anime)
@@TRYhollow0 its just ki control, much like ssj3, ssjb is the same thing when it was shown, goku described how much ki he has to consume to keep the form going.
Ssj1 and ssjg are probably the only forms that have little to no drawbacks
Its cause it taps in all the potential of the user so it would make sense
I think the best way to fix most transformations in the DB universe, is transformations having different attributes or abilities. Maybe one makes you faster but hit weaker. Or one gives you crazy ki but tire you out faster. Maybe one gives you some random ability all together. For the most part, every transformation just makes you a better you.
super-saiyan 2 has to be my favorite looks wise, it’s just so badass and clean, slickest form besides ultra-instinct
Ultra instinct isn't a form
@@senior.toucan6370 yeah, UI is a technique and a transformation. When goku has the white hair, that’s the transformation, but when his hair is still black that’s the technique. (I think)
@@nonghole4870 Silver but yea
@@senior.toucan6370 Ultra instinct is a form but it isn’t a saiyan form
@@nonghole4870 omen is still a form (I think) but now we know that he can use UI as purely a technique.
Ssg and ssj2 will always look the coolest the lightning in ssj2 looks badass and I love how ssg is skinny and not bulky
facts
Same here and including the ssj4 it looks way dope
I don’t like ssj2 as much since they were lazy with the design, the spikier hair should’ve been like that with ssj1 imo. And yea I also like ssj god, although I think it should be renamed to saiyan god
Nah, it should just be ssj and ss god. Broly should have kept tail and get ssj4 design with power lvl of ssj2 or 3. Maybe another evolution in the line to compete with ss god
I agree.
Nobody:
GT gogeta: “no go back I want to be monke”
Lol
Yes
Reject god-ki
Return to mon-ki
@@dr.spycrab4089 yes
Lols 😂
Here's an idea for Super Saiyan 3: keep the energy drain, but do it all at once. Like, when the body is fully acclimated, the form takes a ton of energy to access, but after that it's stable. It becomes a big gamble if used too late in a fight.
If it's done all at once doesn't that mean he reverts back to base form?
@@TheUnseenPath
Like he did against Kid Buu? Yeah, except it would happen right away. So, you either need to start off with Super Saiyan 3 from the get-go, and therefore go in with a gas tank that's partially empty, or you risk burning all that energy to access the form and reverting right back to base when you get it, if you get it at all.
As in, SSJ3's energy drain is purely in the activation. But once you've actually gotten into the form, it needs practically nothing, like Grade 4, to sustain itself? That's a much more interesting way of looking at it.
Rather than, "I'm low on Ki, I've got one or two shots in SSJ3 if I change now," it's "Shit, I've burned too much energy, I can't even get to SSJ3 anymore."
That's a very neat way of looking at it
I got a better idea: 🐉 make a wish, make super saiyan 3 negative effects be removed. Lol 😅
It’s a better Idea to start immediately at ssj3 if you’re gonna use it cuz at the beginning of the fight you have the most energy
Ah yes, Red + Yellow = Blue...
mabye they saving purple
@@largemarge2098 purple is UI omen
@@F-18Super purple should had been ssjb mastered since they alternate between ssjb and ssjg
@@DM-xi3hw nah a darker SSGSS was a much better idea
Nah think about it more like a blue star is hotter and brighter than red star (God
The best is SS4,or if you grew up with Japanese or anything that speaks up "Saiyajin" SSJ4
Its because its Monke power,no Godly bs,the Primal monki is superior
Also it works the best narratively.
Yes
But..... You forgot Fusion 4?
Another thing to note is that it may not be as strong as Super Saiyan Blue, but in terms of pros and cons, it literally has NO CONS whatsoever meaning it's a helluva lot easier to use then Blue.
@@BluXrCist but...... Does Gogeta's SSJ4 have more perks than your usual SSJ4?
I really liked what DB Multiverse did with Grade 3, where Trunks used it in short bursts as a compensation for not reaching SSJ2.
It wasn't that he didn't even reach ssj2 homie didn't even master ssj. Ssj grade 4 has the power of grade 3 but not limiting the speed and doesn't consume a crap ton of power
SSJ3 is my favorite. It's the one I got hyped for the most and I still do when I rewatch ssj3 moments.
Same but being older and wiser now, the fact that it drains so much energy and achieved no wins rubbed me the wrong way, I love ssj4 the most because of how it was discovered…the gold ozaru surprise then the stabilization of the power was the second best in the series behind the first ssj transformation we saw
@@YoungTCash spitting facts, SS4 was incredible. I really hope super rewrites GT into cannon, with SS4 being their top transformation.
The problem with SS3 is that it came out of nowhere and was a completely unearned powerup, which is a cardinal sin as far as I’m concerned when it comes to Dragonball.
I guess Masako X gave a perfect solution to the SSJ3 problem. Simply making its attacks more Ki based rather than physical can be a great way to use it more efficiently.
Sure it will drain its power quicker, but atleast he can capitalize on the power boost to dominate the match early on. Once the power is drained enough to the point that form becomes non sustainable, Goku can use his physical prowess to gain back the lost power.
The same can be done for the SS1 phase 3 muscle form. If these forms didn't take so long to switch into anyway. Works for Roshi and other big bads, so it was an odd stand out with the speed issues.
@@robinthrush9672 I think the point was that grade 3 didn't actually increase your ki efficiency, but instead just muscle density. Ironically one of the worst forms also happens to be one of the best narratively lmao.
@@robinthrush9672 Fun fact: in the fan-made comic Dragon Ball Multiverse, one of the versions of Future Trunks learns how to switch between Super Saiyan and SS Grade 3 _very_ quickly. He fights using regular SS because it's faster; but switches to Grade 3 the instant before his hits connect, to benefit from the extra strength without losing much speed.
Nah, that description would make the form even less efficient. A way to keep the SS3 is having it as a finisher. Have Goku fight as a Super Saiyan (phase 1 or 2), do combos with that form and then transform into phase 3 to do a super finisher move (either a Kamehameha or a striking combo).
@@martinaguiluz4063 Something like in the Hirudegarn Movie, SSJ3 being a form only to be used if you can end the battle quickly.
Or if you've got a handful of Senzu.
"Giant buff Cailifla wasn't something I really wanted to see"
That's COWARD talk
Bigger boobas
@@Sushidog2005 bigga thighs
That’s CUCK talk.
Real heroes date Android 21.
Bigger everything
This just reminds me how weak the original saiyans really are. compared to alot of other races. Nail couldve been the king of the saiyans and Gero could've taken over frieza's whole organization with androids.
I mean, Gero's androids were super strong because he got the dna and stuff of the saiyans so uhh...
@@jums8224 cell was the only one that used their dna. I ment like android 13 thru 20 (himself) they were all super saiyan level and above.
@@blackomega2526 well gero still used info he got from spying the saiyans
@@jums8224 true. crazy to think that all of that from.vegeta and goku fight until the androids was only 3 years. and android 17 and 18 apparently had a hacked growth mode or something because they grew as strong as the saiyans with light work at best.
infinite energy or not they still did not train or have battles like everyone else.
Nah, Raditz was surprised that somebody was givin him trouble, so it safe to assume that it was unfortunate coincidences that powerful people started coming around...
Let’s be honest here: SSJ got hella nerfed in super and needs to make a comeback. Keep in mind that SSJ Goku was folding full power final form frieza and Blueku was weaker than golden frieza without full power on.
Everyone just got stronger
Surely you must be trolling
Golden Frieza is in fact faster thank goku. Frieza’s new found power was actually a lot greater than goku’s in resurrection F but he couldn’t maintain it long and eventually lost the endurance battle. After that goku got stronger than Frieza since the next time they’ll meet he would have already mastered Ultra Instinct
I’m not saying SSJ isn’t dope, it is but let’s not get delusional😂 SSJ 1 thanks to toriyama lost it’s grandeur all about Blue, UI, and Destruction powers for the next few arcs after super (Read the manga) so better buckle up for Prince of Destruction Vegeta and SSJGSS + ULTRA instinct. I’d love for SSJ to get some love but thanks to Moro arc theirs just no way
@@evnvader1337 yea, I just wish people don’t act like it’s weak and Battle of gods “mere super sayain” quote is probably the reason. If Super sayain just so happened to be slightly more relevant I’d be happy
@@Killmerightnow You might just be right, When I heard that line I got bummed out because I still think gold is much better than Red or Blue, Besides my favorite form has always been SSJ3 anyway so yeah if anyone wanted to see Super Sayian come back, it’s me too!
Edit: People seem to think I'm summing up Blue to its strength? I'm talking about narratively and visually. Visually, God looked so much better. Narratively, Blue came out of nowhere and accomplished nothing. I could care less about how strong it is. Besides, I think it's oversaturated and we see it everywhere. If we stuck with God, it could be justifiable to see more Super Saiyan 1, 2, and 3, and have God be a trump card which requires Goku and Vegeta to be calm and collected. Not to mention they already retconned so many cool things about it, like its healing properties and invisible God ki. But no, what we got was Goku and Vegeta only using Super Saiyan as a warm-up, and Blue every chance they got. There's not even a clear stamina drain like people say. They use Blue so much, I never got the impression the transformation was taxing, like SS3.
Blue's honestly the worst. It came out of nowhere, and visually, is just a reskin of Super Saiyan. It doesn't even have a unique aura.
They should have stuck with God. The hair didn't spike and the aura looked like a flame. It made Goku look younger and skinnier, and visually and narratively, was different. It was the power of the Gods. Not to mention, it was unique how God was about being calm and controlling your Ki.
Blue is just, more screaming and raging while just being Super Saiyan, but blue.
Nahh that aint it
Nah youre wrong
Blue is useless gets bet by everyone
@@shido_rimru_ lol you do know that’s not how it works 😂😂
I agree with all expect the unique aura thing its aura when transforming literally breaks of Gokus silhouette and is literally blue fire.
The real reason why Super Saiyan 2 and 3 aren’t often used is because the Saiyans are holding back, and if they aren’t, they literally just skip to Super Saiyan Blue.
here's how I would want it to be:
Ssj should just be for the start of the fight, ssj2 to warm up, god for serious time, and blue as a last resort.
I don't understand why they don't just use 2. It's a complete upgrade over 1, there is literally no reason to not use it.
@@MrFusion yeah, i know, and that's why it's one of my most favourite transformations below super saiyan 3 thanks to gohan as well, since it literally just a remastered version of super saiyan, and to see that it's not being used as often for literally no reason, really makes me grumpy.
Should've been Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God like the poster before said.
@@MrFusion they have more control in ssj1 u need rage to acces most saiyan transformation or l atleast to trigger them until u get the god forms that’s when u have calm down and hold your ki inside your own body
I think the Golden Ozaru is a good way to make it useful. Combine Super Saiyan with Ozaru. That's immediately a 500x boost, making it stronger than Super Saiyan 3. Combine it with other forms of Super Saiyan, like 2 making the hair all spiky, 3 having that hair, God Ozaru getting red fur, that kind of stuff.
I completely agree, but imo make the change from regular to Super Ozaru be more subtle rather than full on Golden Fur so it can also act as a way to get your opponent off their guard thinking it's such a regular Great Ape
Well that is way too op but U FORGOT THE WEAKNESSES SSJ3 WOULD DRAIN EVEN MORE ENERGY GOKU WOULD BE WAY SLOWER AND DID U FORGET THAT HE CANT CONTROL HIS GREAT APE FORM??!! IMAGINE IF HE STILL HAD THE GREAT APE IN DBS AND HE LOOKED AT A FULL MOON AND TURN INTO A GREAT APE THEN TRANSFORM INTO A SSJB OOZARU HE WOULD DESTROY THE EARTH
Imagine god ki with it?
@@ionelpetrea7594 vegeta could control his ozaru at least tho so he could be the one to unlock it
@@ionelpetrea7594 nah he'd destroy the universe
I think it'd be neat if someone like Gohan focused more on SSG than SSGB, maybe learning some fancy god-powers like Healing, maybe Defusing, Ki Manipulation (like what Goku did to Broly to slow him down)
I’m more of a ssj3-4 guy than the god angels form
So you're a furry
@@GermanKinsmen 😂
As long as you're not some GTtard who says SSJ4 is above God or Blue then I could care less.
@@zye4809
So true
People thinking SSJ4 is stronger than SSB lmao💀😭
@@willi898 Yeah those type or people take Gokus statement that he had infinite Power literally lmao like since King Piccolo said he was invincible dose that actually mean he was invincible?
I really do love SSJ3. I wish they would have spent more time on trying to perfect it, but at the same time, I think it’s dropped because of the time it takes to draw
Vegeta can't even go super saiyan 3, ur actually so dumb cause u think that and now trynna "argument" that he can HAHAHAHA 😂😂😂😂
@@arian6565 what?
@@DWoods0892 tf is he talking about
@@arian6565 what
@@arian6565 Your high
Imagine seeing two Ozaru’s stomping shit in the ToP
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Well, vegeta likely still knew how to do that moon energy thing from when he had a tail. So, if some random tailed Saiyan coukd have been in u7 team, that would be interesting.
Assuming, Vegeta would bother to agree to it. We know how he can be.
There's no moon on the arena
@@AEAE- Vegeta could make one
UI OZARU
SSj2 being pretty much deprecated is the most saddening thing about the transformations to me. It was a straight-up upgrade from normal Super Saiyan and doesn't have the SSj3 energy draining downside, or any movement speed penalty, etc.
DBS ruined ssj2. Wayy too many corny transformations with power scaling all over the place.
@@POPJack1717 funny how you say that when ssj2 and ssj3 are used quite a bit in the dbs manga
i’d go as far to say that the dbs manga gives nearly every transformation justice, from trunks refining his super saiyan 2 all the way to the level of goku’s super saiyan 3 to goku using ssj3 loads with it actually getting a few wins(i think toyo likes ssj3)
Excellent. SSJ4 is already perfect and thus was not included in "EVERY".
It isn't perfect lmao
@@burnttoast.2017 cope
@@LughSamildanach you are coping lmao. None of the ssj forms are perfect and ssj4 is no different.
@@burnttoast.2017 seethe
@@LughSamildanach what's gonna be the third one word response
They really should have focused on quality over quantity. Now, there's just too much with too little substance
Yeah, there is too much focus on transformations. If they made each form have nuance and drawbacks from the start, they wouldn't all feel the same
Yeah, I wish they explored SSJ god and actually made it.... More divine.. Instead it was just an insane physical stats boost..
Exactly man! I don’t get why they didn’t make more unique forms instead of 15 different color changes lol
@@Jaydavid25. Im on the same boat. They seem to be attempting to remedy that with the DBS broly movie having goku pull out a technique using his godly ki to ensnare and trap opponents, but it still just seemed to be another hair color change form for both goku and vegeta to utilize instead of actually using godly techniques and abilities. Hopefully, the future movies and the next season of DBS fix this, at least with their adaptation of the moro arc
@@Jaydavid25. It is more than just a strength boost. It has healing properties.
0:19 "so goku....... and vegata as well"
Sums up the entirety of the series.
gohan when he's mad..
*vegata*
I still think my favorite transformations in Dragon Ball are Ultra Instinct and Ego. They are so good from a characterization standpoint and it makes Goku and Vegeta more distinct in their movesets
In my personal opinion I feel like the forms with the biggest flaws are SSJ3, SSB and SSJ Grade 3 due to the rapid ki drain, stamina drain, and degraded speed from both respectively while the forms that are almost perfect for usage would be SSG and SSJ4 because SSG is basically and literally the base state of the Godly forms so there’s no ki drain, slower speed, stamina drain, etc while SSJ4 it’s basically the same as SSG when it comes to no downsides while using them if they wanted to they could literally be in SSG and SSJ4 all the time if they wanted to
At least Super Saiyan 4 and Super Saiyan God does show some history and the lore.
@@dmitribrutus5543 That’s what I’m saying Oozaru and SSJ does too as it’s the whole reason behind every other form because every form is an offshoot of SSJ same way that Golden Oozaru and SSJ4 is an offshoot of the Oozaru beach of transformations and SSB too kinda as well as it’s the next step into the Godly realm
I kinda wish Goku mastered ssj3
@@JDot_9 Oozaru and SSJ line is definitely made Saiyans more unique. Although I do wished they could’ve expanded the Super Saiyan God form more than introducing the Blue form.
Seeing how anime and the movie, Super Saiyan God has many different abilities that was never explained.
Ssj3 and Blue don't decrease your speed they just have high stamina drain, which isn't an issue for Blue after the U6 arc. Ki is directly related to stamina. It's not that SSJ4 or God don't have Ki drain or don't take a toll on the body, it's just they are more refined forms. If that were the case he would be able to maintain the respective forms until knocked unconscious, which we know isn't the case. Ssj grade 3 is the only form that decreases speed.
For me Super Saiyan 2 actually is something I always wanted to see.. It looks badass especially with the lightning effects. As for Super Saiyan 3, it was actually a wasted transformation. I actually love seeing it. In SDBH (although most people call it non canon), I'm actually happy to know and see that Cumber pretty much just outright transforms to Super Saiyan 3 like it was a normal thing for him. Haha!
Would love see the God form again. Like it would be used first before going all out in Blue Form. 🤐
Cumber was ssj1 he has eyebrows. Just had long hair.
@@gokushkameha-ha-ha9344 no, you can see that he has no eyebrows.
I always loved ss3 this should have been a straight tank transformation. Should be a massive boost to all physical abilities speed and strength endurance and stamina at the cost of key consumption and hamper it was something like it draws off their life force so they can burn out too long in the transformation
Kaioken?
So, better Ultra Ego?
Technically ssj3 never had a single win in the whole canon
@@saalthorjrundelius1368 technically king kia wants his fucking planet back 😂
@@dbgoat4436 King Kia? You mean King Kai?
Very nice video. I love videos like this, where the purpose is giving more depth to overlooked/oversimplified mechanics.
Here is how I would reword several aspects of Dragon Ball, in order to make every transformation mentioned in this video useful to some extent, and cut a bit on the power creep:
*Oozaru rework*
In order to supplement future transformations, my version of Oozaru is a bit different. It's an innate part of Saiyan Biology, and it's not something that can be turned off, avoided or disabled, whether by removing a tail or destroying the moon. As long as the Saiyan lives, they *will* periodically turn into an Oozaru and rampage until they calm down.
(A piece of lore that can be added to this: Back in Vegeta there used to be huge arenas where Saiyans can duke it out in Oozaru form. That way, they could spend their Oozaru cycle fighting in empty spaces, instead of destroying property)
*Humanoid Oozaru/Oozaru Containment*
This is the form displayed by New Broly, where he can access his Oozaru strength in humanoid form. I will be changing how it works.
Rather than a transformation that can be charged in combat situations, this isn't so much a form, but rather a technique. Essentially, this technique allows the User to no longer transform into a mindless Oozaru, by *merging* the Oozaru self and the conscious self, and it's active 24/7. This allows the user to apply the strength of their Oozaru transformation to their base form, and avoid rampaging as a mindless ape. However, this also subjects the user to the aggression and animalistic side of their Oozaru self, drastically changing their personality. This can be remedied, by it's not an easy process, and requires a long period of therapy and meditation. However, after said process is complete, a vast majority of the aggression can be contained, and thus this essentially becomes a huge boost to the user's base form.
*Super Saiyan 1*
This form is severely under-used currently, so I will be giving it a buff. This form, when compared to the others, will be EXTREMELY efficient in terms of Ki and Stamina consumption. In other words, this form compensates the lower multiplier by lasting much longer, and helping the user last longer in a battle of attrition. For example, against someone like Kid Buu, who needs to be damaged over and over and over again before starting to slow down, this form would perform the best.
*Super Saiyan 3*
(Yes, I skipped 2, you will see why)
Super Saiyan 3 is the *opposite* of Super Saiyan 1, as it's extremely dispendious, straining and inefficient, but much, *much* stronger. What holds this form back the most is it's cost, and the fact that using Ki techniques becomes harder due to the leakage of Ki. So, I will be turning this weakness into a trade-off. Rather than leaking harmlessly, instead this form leaks Ki *violently.* Just transforming into it causes the ground to crack, tornados to form and everything in the general vicinity to burn from the violent release of Ki. Using moves such as Ki beams or Instant Transmission is basically impossible in this form, but the user gets a huge boost in speed, and the aura of destructive energy causes their physical moves such as punches and kicks to become devastatingly damaging and have a burning feeling to them. Essentially, this form is short, but made to finish fights quickly, and it's extreme power boost would be perfect if the user wants to take on someone who are stronger than themselves. For example, Jiren.
*Super Saiyan 2*
Now that I talked about the two extremes, it becomes much easier to talk about the middle ground. Super Saiyan 2 is the perfectly middle-ground between the other two forms. For when you need strength, but don't want to commit to SS3, for when you want to last, but SS1 is not strong enough. This form would be good for sparing, due to it's good mix of pushing your strength over a larger period of time, or taking on well-rounded enemies like Frieza.
*Super Saiyan 4*
And finally, the last non-God Ki form. Super Saiyan 4 is explicitly intended to be more focused on the Oozaru side, and it's requirements are having the Golden Oozaru, which is essentially a fusion of the Super Saiyan and Oozaru forms. So, let's double down on it.
The new Super Saiyan 4 only requires mastering the Oozaru Containment and unlocking Super Saiyan 3, so we skip Golden Oozaru. This form works by basically *inverting* the user's natural state. A master of Oozaru Containment will be mostly themselves, while retaining a little bit of their Oozaru side. This allows them to user their Oozaru side to power up their normal self.
SS4 inverts that, and the user becomes mostly Oozaru, while retaining a little bit of themselves. Essentially using their SS3 selves to power up their Oozaru self, thus achieving an even higher level of power than regular SS3. Due to the higher resilience of the Oozaru body and mind, SS4 is also not as taxing as regular SS3. The major drawback, however, is that this form is mostly anger and aggression. The user's techniques and logical thinking suffer, and it's incredibly dangerous to use when there are allies or civilians nearby, as the SS4 selves are very unlikely to care about damage control, differentiate foe from ally or hold back to not kill the enemy. Thus, this ultimate form is better reserved as a trump card in desperate situations.
*God Ki Rework*
Now, for the elephant in the room. How the hell we enable God Ki transformations without them making the current ones obsolete? By making each one specialized, of course!
Dragon Ball makes a point to separate Mortal Ki from God Ki, so let's separate their utilities as well! God Ki is now more effective against beings of Godly nature, but *less* effective against mortals. Similarly, regular Ki is effective against mortals, but *less* effective against Gods.
So, while you could use Super Saiyan Blue to fight a mortal, the reduce effectiveness means you'd probably be better off using Super Saiyan 2 or 3. And vice versa. Now, each branch of forms is only good against a certain type of enemy, thus there isn't a one-size-fits-all form anymore.
Also, when you're using a God Ki transformation, this means your Ki is now God Ki, thus you're more vulnerable to opposing God Ki. Same goes for Mortal Ki and mortals. Thus, the only way to use the effective Ki against an opponent is by making yourself vulnerable to them as well, thus ensuring the playing field is always leveled.
*Super Saiyan God*
Now, SSG is no longer a downgrade from Blue, now both are Ying and Yang, two halves of the quintessential "God Ki Super Saiyan" concept. Due to it's canon healing properties, SSG is now the *defensive half* of God Ki. It's Ki is geared toward shielding and healing. It's not as fast or damaging as Blue, but using Ki to make your body more durable is far more effective, and you can drain Ki and Stamina to have a constant regeneration factor or heal other people.
*Super Saiyan Blue*
SSB is now the exact opposite. It concedes more speed and strength to the user, at the cost of being more draining and not good at all on defense. It's essentially the less extreme, God-Ki version of SS3. Since SSG has an unique property, Blue will too. Blue now has a *draining* property. Whenever a punch lands, SSB drains a bit of the opponent's vitality, reducing their Ki AND Stamina reserves simultaneously. This vitality is then consumed to give the user a temporary power boost. This makes SSB geared toward all-out offense, and makes it much harder for an enemy to stall/outlast it without regeneration or infinite Ki and Stamina. The boost's effects don't stack, but the duration does. So punching the enemy multiple times won't make the user stronger, but will make the boost last longer.
*Bonus: Super Saiyan Rosé*
Since Zamasu's whole thing is that he kill both mortals *and* Gods who dare stand in his way, as well as the fact that he is a God in a Mortal's body, then Super Saiyan Rosé is now the best of both worlds. It is a special blend of Ki, who is effective against both Gods and Mortals equally, while similarly being vulnerable to both. Since it was supposed to be the counterpart to SSB, then I will give it offensive properties as well. Instead of the energy drain, instead it has a "corrosion" effect. It's effectively a Ki Poison, which eats the opponent from inside-out. The effects increases the more Ki the opponent uses, but only lasts a short while. Goku Black/Zamasu need to continue landing hits to keep the effect active.
*Ultra Instinct/Ultra Ego*
Personally, I would prefer the best if these two aren't so much forms, but rather techniques.
Ultra Instinct is a state of mind that allows the user to not be held back by emotions and dodge automatically. Of course, this technique is extremely hard to use, which is why Goku can so far only use it in base. But eventually, once he masters it enough, it should be able to be used in tandem with his forms to increase their defensive effectiveness even further.
Ultra Ego is similar, but opposite. Instead of a form, it's the ability to convert your Ki into Destruction Energy, which has the properties of Hakai. Once Vegeta masters it, he should be able to use it in tandem with his forms, enhancing their destructive power even further.
This is actually amazing and would be so cool if this were the implementation into canon
@@TheFlamingSlayer
Ty!
It's ok, SSJ4 is already perfect.
Yeahhhh!
Furry
Ssj4 is the most overrated thing in all of dragon ball period it shares almost every problem with ssjblue don't believe me?
Both show up with no build up goku just looks at earth and goes golden great ape and after that boom ssj4 it was a literal ass pull with no build up
Almost useless yep the only main villain it killed was baby it failed to beat super 17 and shin shenron and no the random jobber black dragons don't count as "main villains"
Needs tons of asspull power up's? Yep it need to be healed vs baby and gets a bullshit power boost and fusion vs shin shenron and still doesn't get the job done
The only reason people like it is because it looks cool but personally the design gets boring considering its shoved into almost every db media in existence if ssj4 was just ssj with purple hair or something then nobody would care
@@loafofbread5251 every form in super is overrated lets not forget it retconned vegito because the writers were to lazy to write themselves out of it and introduced something similar to midiclorians also this dude in the video uses alot of head canon to cover supers terrible writing
@@loafofbread5251 you also complain about power boost asspulls when literally all of db media has asspulls super being the worst culprit
I feel like SS god when it was introduced was the “strongest from”. It felt like Goku could go toe to toe with Berus. Where everyone can fight up to bar with blue
Ik ssj blue is supposed to be stronger than ssj god but i feel as id blue is just for endurance
I think the ritual version of ssj god is stronger than the normal one
@@Craigebussan I like this
@Holy Chicken Do God and Blue have official multipliers now?
@Holy Chicken beerus said that in the movie which isn’t canon, the arc in super corrects this
But we all know the best one is... SUPER SALAD GOD
Purple hair!
YESSSSSSS
So true lol
Agreed lol
The most powerful form of all
6:35 i 100% agree with salad I feel like ssj3 could have been used more if Goku mastered it it wouldn’t be so bad
I have a way to fix SSJ grade 3: use SSJ grade 1 or 2 to quickly grab or stun the opponent, and then switch to Grade 3 to smash them while they're immobilised
If the villain too strong for ssj 1 or 2 to even land a punch aka Buu
SSJ grade 3 should greatly improve defense.
Well this would still be incredibly flawed because grade 4 is just as strong as or stronger then grade 3 and faster then grade 1 or 2
trunks does something similar to vegeta when they're sparring in the goku black arc
Sounds like you play Xenoverse 2 then! 😆
I think more combining techniques and forms would be cool. I love dragonball but I think sometimes instead of just unlocking new forms they should combine their new forms with older techniques to buff both
Vegeta and goku both trying to perfect their current forms respectively so they never have to use other forms:
:/
like with ssgss
Ssj is the weakest but ss3 lacks when it comes to a longer fight. So the real question is.... get your ass beat more that usual or win a fight but have to reboot like an old computer.
Actually Ikari/Oozaru would be the weakest saiyan transformation in terms of multipliers
It would be interesting to see an Oozaru form return but obviously buffed, like a super oozaru where they have insane power but the drawback is they lose control.
Broly's Okari form is that its the power of the ooaru while still keeping a normal body form
Ssj2 for everyone except for Teen Gohan. It was kinda bad afterwards. Cell Saga Gohan makes it so amazing.
Super Saiyan 3 aka *The Raditz*
Edit: Also, Super Saiyan 4 is the best looking transformation. And I will die on that hill. Anyone who has that just gets that *DRIP*.
Actually given what Heroes has done with the form it could be the most powerful as well as with Limits Broken there's no end to the power one can attain in SSJ4.
@@Webshooters1 I want to see more done with the form. Whether it be in What Ifs or not.
I like the look of Ultra Instinct way more than SSJ4
@@kylewest4044 Fair. But Omen looks better than Mastered.
@@arcanechaos3147 facts. Omen also feels better than Mastered. I do like the ssj4 design better though but to which their own
super saiyan god looks so cool, blue looks a little too generic
The hair color yea, but the aura is one of the greatest. Which makes the form unique.
You think blue looks generic but God that only changes their normal hair and eye color red does not?
@@robertm6590 super saiyan god doesn’t just change hair and eye colour, it changes the entire physique to be more slender and skinny which is probs the most change you can see in any saiyan transformation so yes blue is a bit generic compared to ssg
@@robertm6590 it makes you very thin just like most gods in the series and has a really cool fire aura and exclusive abilities like healing and god bind
@@Yuki-qh9kg i think god bind has to do with god ki not ssg specifically, goku just did it again in mui and clapped moro.
Just had a thought.
The God Swopping technique is exactly the same fix one would use to fix SSJ3.
If you power up in SSJ2 you can “fill the balloon”, then swop into SSJ3 when you are ready to attack up close with greater speed and power.
They should’ve written it into the manga even. Imagine if Vegeta did the God Swopping technique for the first time and when asked by Goku how he thought of doing that he says that before deciding to pursue SSG he had been training to figure out how to make SSJ3 effective. Because he had found the power drain wasn’t worth him going into the form, thus he attempted to swop between SSJ2 and SSJ3, only going into SSJ3 before making contact with his enemy, which would require powering SSJ2 up to just before those point of ascension into 3.
Then Battle of Gods happened and he abandoned his training with SSJ3 and focused on attaining SSG. But after attaining SSB and training on how to push its usefulness to a brief height he remembered his experiments with SSJ3 and thus God Swopping was invented
I hate the form when people get their shirt destroyed and get strong
So not SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSR, SSRage and Wrathful?
Ssj4,ui and mui
@@Funtime_x They lose their shirts in SSJ4 and MUI but UI Sign yeah.
Man thats the best form u just hatin on the best form
And super broly ssjg
9:24 super saiyan god also makes the user look younger and slim which could probably explain why it uses up less ki than blue
“I wonky wanna talk about things from the original manga, Soup” -this vid near the end
I dont think adding forms are bad, i think that when you add too many forms too fast then a lot of them instantly become obsolete. I mean SSJ2 was introduced at the end of the Cell Saga and then at the beginning/middle of the Buu Saga SSJ3 was already released. Like they gave it ZERO time to shine as the new powerful form that everyone wants to achieve
yeah.
God should've stayed at goku and vegeta's peak forms till maybe the end of the goku black arc where they achieve blue, and then goku could achieve UI omen but still have blue as his max form till the moro arc where he can go UI omen willingly but it takes alot out of him, then then the granolah arc can give us true UI.
honestly you can kinda say the same about super saiyan it's not as bad but it had a very weird run post frieza where it gets immediately outshined by man made cyborgs. However I agree that they didnt explore the form enough, the gang got to try and perfect the first stage but you dont see it at all for SS2
@@Gensolink nah they gave SSJ pretty much the entire Android/Cell Saga time to shine, not to mention Vegeta always hinted at the legend of a super saiyan
But SSJ2 probably had like a combined 5 episodes of being the most powerful new form
@@ProjektTaku SSJ2 and SSJ God they were way to quick to move on from. I think another thing that plays into it is that the SSJ3 and SSJB forms were achieved by off screen training and it didn’t really earn itself as the do or die needed in the moment power boost like SSJ, SSJ2, MUI, etc did
@@CaptainProx yeah, and they didn't do much either.
Ssj3 never got a W and neither did blue, not even in there debut. Removing super saiyan 3 just makes the buu saga a much cleaner story and removing blue just increases the the use of god and makes freeza's power up slightly less ridiculous.
The reason why people love super saiyan 4, so much is that it was the final power up for all of gt.
SSJ3 has always been my favorite transformation
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Actually in the manga right now, Goku does use SSG to boost up his power when he taps into ultra instinct (without turning into ultra instinct. He trained with whis to get that). It isn’t really more useful than it is in the anime but it’s a nice touch that Goku can use other forms to boost up ultra Instinct
💯 it’s gon get some love but these comments don’t care they’re arguing about ssj4 🤣
@MichaeL Letherman huh???? 😂you talking about the Battle of Gods Arc?? If so, what drugs are you using my guy??
@@Johnboi6969 You clearly don’t remember the foreshadowing in episode 5.
@@ErenYeager-oi6hu you clearly don’t understand that goku had ZERO access to ultra instinct until his training with whis and even then until after he’d perfected blue (in the manga)
@@MUIDYLANICE Do you understand what foreshadowing is? John Boi had no idea what MicheaL was talking about. I never said he actually used UI.
I find all the evolutions in dbs just too gimmicky
This should be top comment
I hate how every time Goku and Vegeta get stronger, some new villain automatically matches them. Can’t they beat the crap out of the new villains once in a while?
@@ErenYeager-oi6hu Nah, thats the cures of shonen, mangaka think thats entertaining and sometimes it is if done right.
But dragonball literally introduces a stronger villain every arc after gaining a new form.
Goku beats king pickle, raditz shows up.
Goku learns Kioken and beats nappa, Vegeta was stronger than Kioken by going grape ape.
Goku got a big boy zenkai boost, Frieza was still stronger, Goku learned SSJ1, the androids show up., he learns SSJ1 grade 4, perfect cell was stronger.
Gohan Learns SSJ2, SUPER PERFECT CELL was slightly stronger cuz technicallty he was SSJ2 since he had lightning in his aura.
Daibura shows up and is on par with SSJ2, beat him, Buu shows up and wrecks it all.
Goku learned SSJ3 and was stronger than Fat/good Buu, Super Buu shows up and Goku actually states he can't take super buu on.
Gohan turns ultimate/mystic, Buu absorbs pickle and gotenks and becomes stronger.
Vegito shows up, is stronger than buu period.
BEERUS SHOWS UP.
and it goes on and on.
infact blue was already dog water when Frieza revived because the reason they won, was because golden form was draining but Frieza was actually outright stronger than SSJBlue Goku in that movie.
Dragonball is about split second powers ups dwarfed by the very next enemy to be dwarfed by a new power up that begins the cycle again.
@@ErenYeager-oi6hu all the top enemies were annihilated and most of frieza’s army. If they were weak they wouldn’t ve a main villain to begin with
@@ErenYeager-oi6hu congrats, you just realized what dragon ball is🗿 lol
People say ssg is the worst but it’s truly the best because that’s when god ki came into the story and with god ki we got ssg, ssb, uio, Mui, pui, tui, ue, ssjbe, and that’s because ssg was the key to all these forms
the most obvious and beneficial change that could have been used is by having the forms have a specialty rather than an overall power modifier. the idea of grade 3 not being a boost to all stats was a good idea because it could have made the characters use it in niche situations. like how goku did the blue red switch versus dyspo, there could have been a grade 3 and 4 switch to get the most out of the brute strength without sacrificing speed. all the forms should have unique uses like that rather than making them inconceivably powerful in all categories.
Love how this devolved to just Vegeta and Goku.
Thats kind of my problem with the show/manga now.
They're pretty much the purest Saiyan's in the story now. Some of the others have moved on and have a life beyond fighting. The rest of the others just can't keep up anymore. Goku and Vegeta are always training so they get the best results.
I know but kinda get boring only the same 2 characters all over again while exist other characters who could be developed
@@Eric-py8yy Agreed. At this point it would be better if they did some sort of spin-off focusing on someone else that we've seen or someone new instead of focusing on the exact same 2 characters we've seen for the last 10+ years. Although, I highly doubt that they ever will. I'm surprised that the franchise is still relevant to this day considering that they've been following the exact same formula for a while now.
@@luisn.pietanesi255 The next movie will be about Gohan and Piccolo, while Goku and Vegeta are out in another planet (at least it's what i heard of). Maybe, if the movie is a success they'll keep doing side stories with other characters.
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SSG is my fav and I am sad the fact that is getting forgotten...
I like to think ssj blue evolved is just perfected blue since vegeta was still able to go into it after getting beat up by jiren and defeating god of destruction toppo
Man SS3 was so cool. May be a nostalgia thing but idk i thought it was amazing
I feel like people keep forgetting about gods healing we saw it in the battle of gods movie
And never seen again
Only happened once
Deep down, it still hurts that SSJ4 didn't get used as the pathway to achieving God Ki. Could have made for a more interesting plot device when fleshing out the lore surrounding the power of the SSJ4 transformation. Instead, we got that god ritual thingy that became irrelevant soon after is was introduced. Using the Zenkai boost as a Great Ape skill, which is how the SSJ4 form taps into unlimited plot armor.
SSJ3 has so much potential. I can see Goku mastering the form to it's full potential, maybe removing the energy draining downside.
Same way rose did in heroes, it gave him his eyebrows back lol
Grade 3 was useful when trunks used it and when blue vegeta attacked him he made himself smaller to avoid and counter vegeta's attack
It's a one time use tho. It's not going to fool everyone and Vegeta most likely was thinking Trunks didn't learn anything and tried to punish him for his mistake. It wasn't expecting to be used that way at all lol
4 needs to be made cannon. It's the perfect final form imo cause it's mixing ape form with humanoid and just looks B.A. I hate the new just change color pallet for a new form crap.
Hair dyes are overpowered
not really.
Maybe it could be broly's form but idk about that.
Yeah God should have gone Down that route. Tails need to come back at least
6:38 THANK YOU. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SHARES MY OPINION ON SSJ3
I love the fact that he uses the dokkan and legends art for the video. I like these arts.
I like how he didnt credit what beats he used because he is self centered
Smth interesting, if there’s a “ki leak”, why doesnt he adapt ssj3 into god? Its probably ridiculously hard and he is focusing on UI but that power would be insane
That just would be 8x increase and problably he could stack kaioken easly so that would be worse than mui who is at least 10x ssb kaioken 20
@@GogolTheEnjoyer True, but that power gap could compare to MUI's lower tiers if he achieves a hypothetical 3 Evolution. Tho he probably wouldn't because Vegeta is the one who explored that
They don't want to animate all that hair again.
@@ohnoitsdead so much potential lost
SSB is SSJ with God ki so it could probably work
Super Saiyan 3 is my personal favorite I wish there was more moments with it. What if they bring it back but it's a mastered version were it doesn't drain energy so rapidly or at all. it also would be cool if they would bring it back with God ki.
Vegeta's god form is just amazing, I love the red pinkish fire theme
14:18 “you can also hit that bellhacalodabs” nice
for some reason ive formed an odd attachment to base god form.
That's probably because all of Goku's fights in base god are pretty epic? It's kind of like UI lite where he just becomes way more agile and dodges hits instead of tanking them. Contrary to the raw power fighting style of blue, base god is where Goku really goes full martial artist (even when it's introduced vs Beerus and they're having a slugfest, he creates a perfected counter midfight to limit the collateral damage) and that's probably what makes it so appealing.
@@sethb3090 yo facts, ssb is like the ssj2 of dbs, we have already seen the same style of fighting in dbz, but ssg is when goku goes skill mode and starts using actual martial arts and using his powers in creative ways like immobilisation, in ssb he just spams ki blasts and kamehameha its repetitive and annoying tbh
SSG needs more screen time. The way Goku and Vegeta use it in the Broly movie was amazing. Also bring the form switch from red to blue to red in the anime
I’d love to see the characters continually improve on each form tbh. It seems like each sayian has a certain form they have perfected. But not every form. For example: Goku is shown being the most successful with the original super sayian form. Most likely because he revived the form and had the most practice with it. We see Future Trunks perfect SSJ2 in the Goku Black/ Future Zamasu arc. He takes SSJ2 to a whole new level which is shown to be on par with Super Sayian Rosé and Super Sayian Blue. While Goku is the most efficient with the SSJ3 transformation, it still has much room for improvement. That being said he seems to find reserves upon reserves when battling Kid Buu. His allotted time should have ran out much sooner, and with more training he could perfect the Ki leakage problems. Super Sayian God is more perfected by Vegeta seeing as he didn’t require the ritual to achieve this feat. He trained and found it 100% on his own which should not be over looked. His drive, determination, and pride should be praised on this point alone. Super Sayian Blue was also perfected by Vegeta as shown in the Tournament of Power Arc, when he faced Jiren, and found the Super Sayian Blue Evolution form. This form is on par with Goku’s Super Sayian Blue Kiaokin x 20. So it suffices to say that Blue Evolution is 20x stronger than that of regular Blue, and more efficient than Kaioken due to there not being a backlash. And finally the Ultra Instinct form which was perfected by Goku. This form can be obtainable by any race. Not exclusive to just Sayians or just Gods. We see that currently Angles, Gods of Destruction, and Sayians. Goku gets this because he is the first (other than angels, they are more observers than fighters) to achieve MUI. Not even Gods of Destruction have accomplished this feat yet. While there is still much room for improvement. There is no denying that this form is the pinnacle of Sayian power currently. So to summarize. Imagine if EACH AND EVERY SINGLE SAYIAN achieved:
Goku’s perfected Super Sayian form
Future Trunks’s perfected SSJ2 form
Goku’s (potential) Perfected SSJ3
Vegeta’s determined Super Sayian God
Vegeta’s Super Sayian Blue Evolution
And Goku’s (potential) MUI form.
If these feats were carried out equally, there would not only be a more solid control, stamina, and dexterity, but each form would become more powerful than current times. The potential is there considering a single character achieves one form at some point, it isn’t truly “exclusive” to a single person. It’s just the time, hard work, and effort put into these forms, is what caused the perfections. That’s just my personal opinion tho, what do you guys think?
That would be one powerful Sayian
Its about drive its about power
Why the fk you put J on SS? Did you see the romanization of Super Saiyan Blue as SSJB or SSJGSSJ? Also, MUI doesn't exists, it's jusy UI, but I bet your tarded brain will put J on it too and make it MUIJ.
@@fg009letyrds8 He put J in Super Saiyan because in Japanese it is called Super Saiyajin and which converts to SSJ
@@fg009letyrds8 how you gon call yourself a dragon ball fan and not know that super saiyan is written as ssj in short
They didn’t use god mode nearly long enough. Even blue seems just good enough at this point. They should just walk around in blue form all the time like when they were preparing for cell lol
As an avid Dokkan player I love watching analysis videos like this and being able to tell when the game's assets are used because the card art is so high quality
SSJ2 is my favorite transformation, i completely agree with you on this, I’d love to see more of it
Ikari just means rage form and wrathful is basically the power of a great ape compressed into a human body.
The reason he said and there's a pretty weird scene where caulifla uses it in tournament of power because of her chest growth and her muscles.
What's weird is that Salad Saiyan would bring up his sexual kinks and preferences in the middle of a DBZ discussion.
@@TailsClock well he didn’t. He just made an innuendo
The only reason they did that was to show her inexperience with super Saiyan forms. To which Goku quickly pointed out the mistake. Most of the ToP was Goku training her anyway which I liked, finally teaching what he knows as the undisputed master of super Saiyan to a younger pure blood.
Make people that are highly resistant to god ki then all of the normal Saiyan forms become useful, also imagine fighting someone who is invulnerable to god ki while having to deal with people who goku/vegeta need to use their god forms for, it would make for some interesting fighting in my opinion
Gohan might become more useful again, ssj4 might be canon again or, fusion.
God ki is just more potent ki, there is no reason anyone should be immune to it.
@@maxdrags3115 where's that from that it's just more potent? It's completely different from regular ki. If it were more potent then mortals could sense it. And goku should be able to do all the things the supreme kai or beerus can. Such as nullify energy completely. No not from forces cancelling out but simply removing energy from an attack til it dissapates. God ki is different.
@@donflamingo5685 Dude, god ki is just more powerful ki.
It also enhances your healing, but that's about it.
@@maxdrags3115 and allows you to summon things. Like how kais can summon katchin blocks and other stuff. Am I wrong in my assumption that any ability gods/god ki users use that normal ki users don't or express shock over is abilities tied to their godliness and therefore god ki?
Isn’t the whole downside of SS3 due to him never using it with a mortal body prior so his body had never adapted to it (similar to how Golden Freiza was beaten the first time)