In this video I review my 2013 Porsche Panamera GTS which I had owned for over 2 years. The car has a fabspeed midpipe and is lowered with lowering links.
Finally, a video with no blaring music, ridiculously long intros and unnecessary blather; straight to what people want to hear. I'm looking to get a 2013 GTS myself with extended warranty.
Thanks! Yes, smart an extended warranty as this is a complex car and the engine bay is super tight. The valve covers and air suspension will require replacing/repairs at some point.
Thanks for your content. I'm currently doing my research on panameras. I've never owned 1. I keep hearing go for 2015 or better. Less issues on those years.
Awesome video of your GTS Joe! I just bought a 2013 Panamera GTS in a beautiful silver on the outside with black interior. Please keep the videos coming.
Thanks for the feedback! I haven't driven the 970 Panamera Turbo. I was strictly looking at NA engines at the time as I was looking for NA power delivery and sound.
Yo bro let's help build this channel, you should go talk to local car dealerships see if you can show their cars off, cuz every car dealership has one special car that they have maybe you can start doing interviews and stuff like that you know basically just follow the guidelines that others are doing and I think you'll do really well, maybe put a little bit of music in the background and have it somewhat scripted bro just a little bit, I would like to see your channel grow bro that would be amazing for you, I just like to see people shine my bro
Hi Jose, both cars are great in their own ways. If you are considering a used Giulia Quadrifoglio, I would make sure that it has a warranty as I know of several cars that had engine bore scoring issues that required new engines to remedy. I no longer have the Giulia Quadrifoglio to make a video of, but here are my pros and cons after having owned and driven one for over 30k miles. Pros: 1) Unique Engine with power delivery that builds all the way to redline 2) Nice exhaust tone (with valves open) 3) Nice features that you are usually found on more expensive cars: Carbon fiber hood, large rear diffuser, available carbon seats Cons: 1) Shift speed seems slow compared to other ZF applications (e.g., MK5 supra) and Dual clutches. It took away from the overall driving experience. 2) Dependent on spotty dealer network. I didn't feel comfortable using the car for road trips. Also, my local dealer (which was a Fiat - Alfa dealer) didn't offer loaner cars - I found that to be inconvenient as my car was in the shop pretty often. 3) It threw error codes all the time. Most were resolved by restarting the car but regardless, it was annoying.
Pros and cons of the 970 Panamera GTS as it relates to the Giulia Quadrifoglio are provided below. Panamera GTS pros: the exhaust is louder and sounds better, the car overall is higher quality (consistent with the difference in MSRPs), and the transmission shift speed is noticeably faster. Panamera GTS cons: it will cost more to fix and maintain at the dealership and is more complex (e.g., air suspension), it is not as nimble and sporty as the Giulia, the infotainment system is ancient compared to the one in the Giulia.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I actually had a QV before my GTS that I have now. The QV is a great car, but for me, the Panamera is just better. They are both driver's cars for sure. I also prefer the heavier steering in the GTS vs the very light QV steering. Pros and cons to both thoigh. The biggest problem with the QV is really the dealer network - it's terrible and nonexistent -- unless you are lucky enough to be near a good one.
@@seanhannan6026 Thanks for sharing about your experience! There are a few things that I miss about the QV to include the quick steering ratio but the cons outweigh the pros for me. Every now and then, I look at 4Cs but the then I remind myself of the dealer network and talk myself out of going forward with one.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Agreed, I owned a 4c recently for a couple of months and actually flipped it and made a little money. Its a special car, just not for me - its just too small, ha.
Great to hear that you have a 2015 Panamera GTS! I haven't had any issues with the air suspension. In the winter time, when it is really cold outside, I'd hear some creaking sounds from the suspension when I first start driving the car - my understanding is that the noise comes from bushings on the control arms that are under lubricated.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee sadly I’m having some issue I’m hopping it’s only a air compressor but luckily it’s covered under warranty. I love the car I’m waiting to do the same exhaust setup as yours sounds awesome
The 2015 and 2016 model years are the most sorted out. The engine is well proven as a variation of the engine is also in the same era Cayenne which there are a lot o. Confirm that the idle is smooth (a rough idle could just be caused by a dirty throttle plate, but there could be other reasons). I would check the valve cover for leaks as that is a pricey / time consuming repair. Also, I would take a close look at the air suspension to ensure that it is functioning properly and is not overly stiff or bouncy. In my opinion, none of these are deal breakers, but they should be factored into the price if they need to be addressed.
The engine in the car is solid - I wouldn't be concerned with the engine at that mileage. I would pay close attention to the transmission (confirm that it isn't shifting rough or responding slowly), the air suspension (check for unusual noises or roughness, and the A/C (ensure that it is blowing cold).
dude i am addicted to the amount the attention you pay. But please make sure you upgrate your recording equiments in a way that would block your breathing, it's mental to through.
To be honest, as an owner of Turbo version sounds better than GTS because when you are neutral mode sound of Turbo ıs constant but in GTS model when you press gas pedal rev ıs decreasıng much shorter than Turbo model and this cause very instant loud but of course it's really special car also. Drive safe :)
If you own a GTS you know how special of a car it is.
Finally, a video with no blaring music, ridiculously long intros and unnecessary blather; straight to what people want to hear. I'm looking to get a 2013 GTS myself with extended warranty.
Thanks! Yes, smart an extended warranty as this is a complex car and the engine bay is super tight. The valve covers and air suspension will require replacing/repairs at some point.
Hi Joe, nice ride and great video. I own a 2013 Panamera Turbo S...absolutely love it.
Thanks for the feedback! Great to hear that you are loving your Panamera Turbo S!
Thanks for your content. I'm currently doing my research on panameras. I've never owned 1. I keep hearing go for 2015 or better. Less issues on those years.
We purchased our vehicle at the same time sir. I have the turbo to as well. Your reaction mirrors my own. Kudos for this vid.
Awesome video of your GTS Joe! I just bought a 2013 Panamera GTS in a beautiful silver on the outside with black interior. Please keep the videos coming.
Thanks! Great to hear about your purchase!
Great video Joe. You are one of the reasons I got my GTS
Thanks for the feedback! Great to hear that you got a GTS!
Good review ! Appreciate the insight !
Good shit!!! Very intuitive and detailed
Really great review! I wish it wasn't filmed vertically, but the info you provided was great nonetheless
What a beautiful sound
Great video bro 👍
I noticed you have the pdcc. Rare option as people usually don’t order it with their build. Makes that baby handle like a much smaller car.
Indeed! PDCC essentially eliminates body roll which is really neat for such a large car.
It would be interesting to get your thoughts on the 970.2 S E-Hybrid. It straddles that line between EV and sportscar with 420ps NA engine.
I'll try to get my hands on one. I watched some videos on the 970.2 hybrid with an aftermarket exhaust and thought it sounded great.
Awesome review. Have you driven the turbo? Curious to see if the turbo was an option and why you went with the GTS.
Thanks for the feedback! I haven't driven the 970 Panamera Turbo. I was strictly looking at NA engines at the time as I was looking for NA power delivery and sound.
I like 1st gen it's gorgeous
Great car!!!
very clean!
Thank you!
Yo bro let's help build this channel, you should go talk to local car dealerships see if you can show their cars off, cuz every car dealership has one special car that they have maybe you can start doing interviews and stuff like that you know basically just follow the guidelines that others are doing and I think you'll do really well, maybe put a little bit of music in the background and have it somewhat scripted bro just a little bit, I would like to see your channel grow bro that would be amazing for you, I just like to see people shine my bro
Could you please tell me how often you suppose to Change the Engine Oil ? And how much it costs..
Thank you for Sharing this 🙏🏻 🙂
Every 5000 miles if your going to keep it at Porsche it’s 450 at a Indy shop 250
Hey man if you ever decide to sell your car I would legitimately be interested in buying!
Looking into buying a GTS but also was considering a Giulia quadrifoglio. Can you give me some pros and cons specifically on each? Thank you!
Hi Jose, both cars are great in their own ways. If you are considering a used Giulia Quadrifoglio, I would make sure that it has a warranty as I know of several cars that had engine bore scoring issues that required new engines to remedy.
I no longer have the Giulia Quadrifoglio to make a video of, but here are my pros and cons after having owned and driven one for over 30k miles.
Pros:
1) Unique Engine with power delivery that builds all the way to redline
2) Nice exhaust tone (with valves open)
3) Nice features that you are usually found on more expensive cars: Carbon fiber hood, large rear diffuser, available carbon seats
Cons:
1) Shift speed seems slow compared to other ZF applications (e.g., MK5 supra) and Dual clutches. It took away from the overall driving experience.
2) Dependent on spotty dealer network. I didn't feel comfortable using the car for road trips. Also, my local dealer (which was a Fiat - Alfa dealer) didn't offer loaner cars - I found that to be inconvenient as my car was in the shop pretty often.
3) It threw error codes all the time. Most were resolved by restarting the car but regardless, it was annoying.
Pros and cons of the 970 Panamera GTS as it relates to the Giulia Quadrifoglio are provided below.
Panamera GTS pros: the exhaust is louder and sounds better, the car overall is higher quality (consistent with the difference in MSRPs), and the transmission shift speed is noticeably faster.
Panamera GTS cons: it will cost more to fix and maintain at the dealership and is more complex (e.g., air suspension), it is not as nimble and sporty as the Giulia, the infotainment system is ancient compared to the one in the Giulia.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I actually had a QV before my GTS that I have now. The QV is a great car, but for me, the Panamera is just better. They are both driver's cars for sure. I also prefer the heavier steering in the GTS vs the very light QV steering. Pros and cons to both thoigh. The biggest problem with the QV is really the dealer network - it's terrible and nonexistent -- unless you are lucky enough to be near a good one.
@@seanhannan6026 Thanks for sharing about your experience! There are a few things that I miss about the QV to include the quick steering ratio but the cons outweigh the pros for me. Every now and then, I look at 4Cs but the then I remind myself of the dealer network and talk myself out of going forward with one.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Agreed, I owned a 4c recently for a couple of months and actually flipped it and made a little money. Its a special car, just not for me - its just too small, ha.
I’ve purchased a 2015 Panamera GTS have you had any suspension / air ride suspension issues ?
Great to hear that you have a 2015 Panamera GTS! I haven't had any issues with the air suspension. In the winter time, when it is really cold outside, I'd hear some creaking sounds from the suspension when I first start driving the car - my understanding is that the noise comes from bushings on the control arms that are under lubricated.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee sadly I’m having some issue I’m hopping it’s only a air compressor but luckily it’s covered under warranty. I love the car I’m waiting to do the same exhaust setup as yours sounds awesome
Do you advice me to buy one i found 2015 gts with 110 miles
The 2015 and 2016 model years are the most sorted out. The engine is well proven as a variation of the engine is also in the same era Cayenne which there are a lot o. Confirm that the idle is smooth (a rough idle could just be caused by a dirty throttle plate, but there could be other reasons). I would check the valve cover for leaks as that is a pricey / time consuming repair. Also, I would take a close look at the air suspension to ensure that it is functioning properly and is not overly stiff or bouncy. In my opinion, none of these are deal breakers, but they should be factored into the price if they need to be addressed.
looking at a 2013 Panamera GTS with 80k-100k miles Would this still be a good buy?
The engine in the car is solid - I wouldn't be concerned with the engine at that mileage. I would pay close attention to the transmission (confirm that it isn't shifting rough or responding slowly), the air suspension (check for unusual noises or roughness, and the A/C (ensure that it is blowing cold).
dude i am addicted to the amount the attention you pay. But please make sure you upgrate your recording equiments in a way that would block your breathing, it's mental to through.
Thank you for the feedback! I've since upgraded my recording equipment. I've gone through a couple of iterations.
Are you driving on the right side? Or is that just how the cameras making it seem??
I noticed that too. At 2:44 and 6:14 the steering wheel is on the left side but at 6:38 the steering wheel is on the right side. 🤣
Unfortunately, I had my camera in mirror mode which is why it looks like I'm driving on the right side. I was driving on the left side.
To be honest, as an owner of Turbo version sounds better than GTS because when you are neutral mode sound of Turbo ıs constant but in GTS model when you press gas pedal rev ıs decreasıng much shorter than Turbo model and this cause very instant loud but of course it's really special car also. Drive safe :)
Thanks for your input! It's great to hear that you prefer the sound of the car that you have! Sound is indeed a matter of personal preference.
The turbo even sounds worse than the panamera S
Meu sonho...
That sounds like a beast! The video converts your car into RHD. 😂
Thanks! Yeah, I didn't realize at the time that the camera was recording a mirror image, LOL.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I guess you never got a chance to review your Supra?
@@automagni unfortunately, I did not. I just have photos of it and a single cold start video. That car was a great experience.
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the old GTS sounds better than the new one
I agree - the turbos on the current gen Panamera muffler the sound a bit.
Turbo S is the top trim.
Thanks for clarifying!
How much is it? I heard it's going to be anywhere between $39,000 and 21,000?
it's between 21,000 and 39,000
Probably 37ish