I’ve got one and done range tests, my latest being 280 miles on the M1, and also a near 600 miler up to Scotland. The range is fantastic, all for Model 3 RWD money. Note there’s not much difference between trims, the base model is fully loaded. 6 year Tesla owner- I am certainly not regretting switching over, the car is fantastic. What often isn’t mentioned much is the chassis, it is just right between comfort and stiffness. No roll, very comfortable on long journeys as are the seats (I have the ‘base’ version). I’d disagree with the review there compared to most other cars of this type- try a Sportage which rolls and bounces around much more (my wife has one). I haven’t noticed the brake spongy either although I hardly use the brakes, I use full regen. Insurance is £450. They wanted £1100 for my Model 3 RWD this year. Renault are knocking it out of the park with this car, I can’t believe what a good job they did with it.
I have had mine a month now Esprit Alpine and have to say I've had no issues with the brake feel or inconsistency and it's a company car so already done a fair few miles. I also find the ride very good and it's no sports car but it's not at all bad on twisty roads. One point you don't mention is the kerb weight compared to other EV's at around 1800Kg's.
The massive difference between the scenic and the model Y is the cost of the insurance! The model Y is almost twice as expensive. Plus, if your being picky.... you don't need to pay anywhere near as much for the nice red paint on the Scenic.
"Everyday's a school day!" I had no idea about the insurance issue. Turns out a Model Y Long Range is insurance group 48! Almost the highest possible. That's bonkers!
@@Glassey12 True indeed. Plus the base Model Y is not "so fast". Yes it's nippy but not Group 48 nippy. It's the most ridiculous group insurance and it has stopped me from buying one. Even my AMG was cheaper to insure than a Model Y... Bonkers!
The insurance rates are because of the risk of explosion a vw made eV went up on a ship.the ship burned for five day the damage 650 million don't gamble with your family's life the risk is real and insurance company's know it
Let's hope Tesla brings over to the uk it's own insurance for Tesla drivers it has all the data on the car & the driver to give a realistic quote! May be make the other insurance companies be more realistic on their prices
Renault and France in general, are knocking it out of the park of late....Where Germany stumbles with it over complex, over-priced beasts, the French car industry is picking up the ball and running hard. Fantastic to see.!
Hardly. No innovation or advancement here. Essentially the same offering as the Zoe from 12 years ago. Too little too late. They need to build on this and develop fast, not sit back and do nothing as they did with the Zoe. For too long western legacy manufacturers have relied on expensive luxury EVs with high margins. Vorsprung durch Technik!
@@grahamcook9289 how do you know they did nothing ? They didn’t release any other cars but they have without doubt gained experience improving range, power out put and battery life.
My sister in law has the spec above this one and it’s lovely. The door handles pop out and very easy to use. Also has the Renault badge lit up on the ground. I would love one but above my budget.
The one in the video is the top spec. Theres actually very little difference between the three, this top spec one has a few goodies. The middle one is identical to the entry level, save for trim differences and bigger wheels. The entry level is actually fully loaded, with very little not on it.
@@bethechange36 no the roof is on the top spec only. Plus 360 cameras, digital reverse mirror, better stereo, massage drivers seat and bigger wheels (not a good thing IMO the wheels). Otherwise they are the same. The Alpine is exactly the same as Techno save cosmetic changes including bigger wheels. Bigger wheels give less range and comfort, Techno wheels are very good. I have the Techno if you want to see what it looks like on my vids.
@@wakeywarrior I just had a look at the iconic and I think I will be getting that one. The hub caps on the iconic are designed to optimise the range and it does just that I am told. Thanks for the info!
French car makers - Renault, Citroen, DS Automobiles, Alpine, Peugeot - have dramatically upped their game those last 10 years. Excellent quality built, superb design, great interiors, great tech, etc... I drive a Peugeot 3008, it's the best car I 've ever had. 42.000 euro, but it feels like a 100.000 euro vehicle. The quality ride is just out of the world, quality built is bordering on luxury.
@@timmytimpster3807 When have I said that ? I invite you to read again my comment, I mentioned my car, a Peugeot 3008, not a Renault, and I said it feels like a 100k vehicle, and it really does. I didn't say it has costed me 100k, I said it feels like a 100k car. You need to read properly other people's comments before you reply to them, thank you very much.
I drive a 3008, previous gen 2023 car. It’s the worst car I’ve ever had. So many shortcuts, poor development and build quality. You can see Whatcar’s most recent 2008 video to see what the transmission is like for example, my 3008 is similarly jerky. I wouldn’t have even considered it, were it not for Covid supply constraints blocking me from getting my usual Japanese or German brands.
@@disarchitected I just don't believe a singe word you have posted. "Getting my usual Japanese or German brands", that absolutely explains your comment. You just wanted so bad to bash Peugeot so you've posted that completely made up story. I am German, Auto Engineer by trade (Performance Engineer) with 17 years of work experience at VW Group and Volvo, I know a thing or two about cars. Peugeot have improved so much. The 3008 is a top seller in all Europe, is highly rated everywhere and is a genuinely excellent car. You Brits (well some of you) have a real issue with anything great that the French do, you instantly need to say bad things about it. Sad attitude. And I really couldn't care less what Whatcar said about the Peugeot 3008. Quite Frankly, I watch a lot of car reviews on YT, I can say UK channels are the least professional ones.
@@klausschelling8159 Other stuff I dislike, such as the totally dead feeling from the rear axle (torsion beam), or the weird shaped steering wheel, or the festoon of stalks behind the steering wheel could be put down to a matter of taste. The fact the keyless entry doesn’t have sensors on the rear doors is also very annoying, because the kids need to be buckled in first. But the fact is, overall the car is poor. Especially compared to the Kia Sportage and Volvo XC40 that I also evaluated at the same time. If it wasn’t for the Peugeot having the shortest lead time by far, I would have ended up in the XC40. During the 3 days I had it, it was immediately apparent the engineering / ergonomic depth was at another level. It is a Whatcar 5 star car for a reason.
The French are killing it with their EVs, especially Renault! This is how you beat the Chinese. Renault and Peugeot are already legacy brands with exhaustive support network, something the Chinese do not have!
I am German. I can tell you that more and more Germans are absolutely furious at VW and the others (BMW, Mercedes Benz) unbelievably high prices. French cars now are as good, and in more and more cases : even better than what VW do, and they cost less money. Come to Germany or Austria, you'll see more and more French cars here.
Vw seems to be playing dumb, bmw instead of offering features as standard wants to make features a subscription service, at least the French for better or worse are trying. If car companies make a lot of money in China they need to please the Chinese consumer but compared to European consumers the Chinese like more tech features and European brands aren’t given them that.
Its certainly the best looking in red..... I had one for a week. The tech and the range is great. My only negative was the space between internal wheel arches in the boot. They restrict the width of the boot too much. It is definitely a BEV that should change people's pre conceived ideas of BEVs.
A very critical but fair review. Renault/Dacia ,could easily tempt me back to a French brand, after giving up on Citroens a couple of years ago - I think that Renault is a more sensible proposition than anything coming out of Stellantis - Fiat, Citroen, Peugeot. DS, Vauxhall, Alfa...
This car is a good example of how EV's are evolving. 5 years from now, it'll be interesting to see how this evolution has progressed..... Personally I'd have thought a useful safety feature such as the camera feed to the rear view mirror, ought to be an option on all trims.....
I really appreciate your work What Car. Your reviews keep things grounded and are my 'go to' for genuinely useful information... when I'm not dreaming about some ridiculously fast and desirable car I can't afford. 😆
When I saw the title picture I was thinking: Oh, Renault also builds an id4… at first glance, the front seems very similar. Renault is really delivering at the moment. R4 and the unbelievably cool R5, and now one for the more conservative audience. Well done Renault, well done…
For me the SUV tag is a bit misleading. Having seen one in real life it’s actually quite low slung like a large hatchback; certainly looks better than the pictures. Overall I like where Renault are going with EVs. The French government has also created some really generous incentives for EV adoption so even if it’s not a runaway success elsewhere I think Renault has a pretty captive market at home. Also it’s nice to see a car just be a car, to prioritise comfort and ride quality over this ‘sporty’ nonsense which most everyday drivers will only be able to access 2% of the time and the other 98% they’ll wish they could drive across a potholes road without losing the fillings or parallel park without a personal trainer.
The original Scenic was, to use a hackneyed term, a game changer. Rear seats that could be removed, recline and adjust. At the time it was a fashionable car. To describe it otherwise is a tad ungenerous. Nice to see a reviewer not 'dis' the traditional glorious Renault audio satellite controls for the stereo, something they did before anyone else. Too many buttons are on the steering wheel these days!
Had my alpine spec scenic for about 1500 miles so far. Love the car, spec, driving, looks etc, but brakes always groan and creak when stopping no matter how gentle i am with the pedal. Same when auto handbrake releases. Is this a common problem? Worth getting it back to the dealer to resolve?
I do think that all EV's should have a Froot/Front Boot/Frunk as on a trip with luggage your cables will be buried. But having a Froot means you can store the cables well away from the luggage and not have to empty the boot if you find yourself needing a cable to charge. Otherwise a good family sized EV and great to see it can be bought under that magic £40,000
Totally agree. It's a real faff getting the cable out of the boot under the main boot floor in my elscenic , especially if you've invested in a boot liner.
Renault are on their A-game right not and this looks like one hell of a package. However I mourn the death of the MPV. In terms of packaging it will always trounce an SUV.
Assuming it's substantially the same platform, the Scenic looks like it give a fair picture of what we can expect out of Nissan's Leaf replacement due in 25' and being produced in Sunderland from what I understand.
Don't the handles pop out automatically when you arrive to the car? And lock themselves when you start driving and pop out when you leave the car or push the unlock button? Never had to dig the handle on my Megane.
Yes, and legacy car sales are falling steadily as a result. Only cheaper cars such as Dacias, plus Tesla and Chinese EVs are improving. A few legacy brands will merge and survive as niche products but the automotive industry as we knew it is about to change drastically. Tarifs will not save them.
Electric car reviews always quote the range with a 100% battery, yet quote a charging time when only charging up to 80%. Why not also quote an 80% battery range?
I think too much fuss is made of hard scratchy plastic- so what?,it’s cheaper,it’s easier to clean and far more hard wearing,just focus on the benefits
Agreed and I would even go as far as to say necessary low down where it's more likely to get dirty from muddy shoes etc. I want a nice easy clean surface, not something that looks nice for 2 seconds then forever dirty as it is impossible to clean. Nice materials up high, hard wearing a wipe clean down low.
@@oussama4629 Let's say an EV lasts 10 years and it will take at least 0 years to reach widespread higspeed, 100kW+, public charging, future proofing EVs now is a waste of money.
@@grahamcook9289 an ev can last more than 10years easily, if the battery became degraded it can be replaced but the charging speed will be the same. it's not bad in the coming 5yrs though
And please tell us how tall you are, so we can judge the rear seat space and headroom. You just about fit in the middle seat, but are you 5 ft 2 or 6 ft 5? Just a pop up on screen would suffice, giving the presenters height in imperial and metric.
Very good report, but… You have a lot of international viewers, and I would like to know the price before UK taxes and VAT. I would also like metric info. Put it on the screen every time you use imperial.
After two test drives, I’ve noticed that an important issue is consistently missing from your reviews - the poor quality of the rear camera. It’s a crucial feature for many drivers, yet it seems to be overlooked. Why is this never addressed?
I tested both, prefered the 3 interior by a long mile, but prefered the driving ergonomics of the Scenic. Driving pleasure was a victory by K.O for Tesla. Still don't know what to get for now, despites all the test drives I did.
I’ve owned both, this does substantially more miles than a 3 RWD- around 50 more in real work driving, to me that makes a huge difference. This is a much more modern car, and I think it’s better, the ride is also much more plush for long journeys (albeit that’s improved on later 3). Insurance on this for me is nearly a third of the 3. I think the interior on this is a lot nicer than a 3. Teslas are great cars but the Techno LR version of this is the same price as the 3 RWD and offers substantially better value for money in an up to date package. Let’s put it this way, I wouldn’t send it back and get my 3 to replace it.
@@wakeywarrior so no screen in the back, no frunk storage, less efficient (so more expensive to run) and no supercharger network? Yeah for the same money I think I'd stick with the car that has decent brakes...
You have to be dreaming, nothing and I mean nothing touches the maps and superchargers that make life easy when on a long trip to a place you have not been to it plots everything for you. All I heard on this review was excuses from the reviewer. Charging speed not as good as model Y.
Exactly thise physical buttons and the clutter makes it worse than a tesla. Not to mention the complete car package. In this regard no other ev comes even close to a tesla model y
So people making 60k should only buy cars costing 20K? That really doesn’t leave much choice does it. The more pressing question is should we need to buy new cars as often as we do? The fact that public transport and road safety for non-driving road users is so poor is indicative of a society that would rather people spend money on stupidly depreciating assets than investing in more efficient, healthy and potentially safer forms of transport. And then we can all drive cool old cars on the weekends for fun obviously.
This one has the same designer as the Peugeot's newer models. Also, most cars are built on modular platforms which inevitably will make different models look the same.
So the long range does 15% less than Renault say it will and at what speed ? I assume that was in summer so less in winter. 60kw battery cars will do 110 to 120 miles on UK motorways.
I'm still concerned about the range and waiting around for an hour for recharge. Apparently the range is less in bad weather with lights and wipers on. A friend told me he was refused on the ferry crossing . Think I'll stick to petrol motor.
Just how far do you travel in a week and you wont have to visit a petrol station any more, just plug in at home or work. Your petrol car has less range in bad weather with the wipers and lights on… as for “a friend was refused….” that type of anecdote sounds like one an MP starts with…nuff said.
Same here, had two new Renaults in the past, a scenic and modus, both the most unreliable new cars we have owned. Now on our forth forth Ford, Kuga hybrid presently, no issues in 14 years.
@@Steve-rv1ql I've had older renaults uniquely since 1997 (when I was 16 and bought my first one walking home from school). Renault 11s, 21s, an original Scenic, Laguna and Clio, My main car is a Romanian Renault (Duster) and after 7 years I've had nothing but clean MOTs and nothing has gone wrong. I'm on my original rear tyres, original brakes etc. I also own a 1987 Renault and a 1992 Renault, the latter we have had since 1998. Never had any issues. I would say that the noughties Renaults were not the best...
@@sebastianohalloran9093 agreed, the wife (like all wife’s) has a long memory though, both our Renaults broke down on motorways when she was driving, neither was an experience she would want to repeat. £40k is a lot of money, for questionable reliability.
Nice review. What about the regen? Does the car do one pedal driving? Adjusting the volume as the passenger you'll have to use annoying capacitive controls on the infotainment system. I wish they'd put a rotary encoder for that.
Seriously consider it. This thing gets 320 miles all motorway driving, you can get that mileage for about an £8 charge at home. Very smooth, quiet, instant power etc. Just give one a try on a test, you’ll maybe change your view.
I’ve saved over £1400 in fuel costs over the last year switching from a 2 litre diesel Evoque to a Jaguar I-Pace. Plus I don’t have to stand in a smelly petrol station breathing in fumes anymore.
If I lived in the UK I’d be the same. The charging infrastructure is so poor and so unregulated that it makes owning a non-Tesla electric car stupidly complicated and expensive if you don’t have access to home charging. This isn’t really the same in countries with the infrastructure, cheaper electricity and better regulation. For me, with the low electricity costs and high fuel costs we have here, my next car will definitely be electric, that said the low cost of public transport and ever improved cycling infrastructure is making the need for a car less relevant every year….. so we’ll see.
It's interesting what reviewers say about steering wheels like this. They same reviewers said that about the Peugeots too, yet I have yet to meet an owner raise any concerns about it. In short, don't trust reviewers, check for yourself.
Excellent review; thanks Doug.👍 Had to laugh at your rear door handle comments! This is a sad and all too common example of redesigning the wheel 🛞. Who looked at car door handles , which have worked perfectly well for 60 years plus, and thought ;” Nah , I’ve got a much better solution! Some shitty little plastic flap, that can decapitate your fingers, that you have to press in and then pull out the handle . Brilliant in the winter; what could possibly go wrong?!”. Madness !
The sunroof is either transparent (see-through) or translucent (lets through diffuse light). It is not opaque because opaque means it doesn’t let light through at all (like a metal roof).
11:25 When a car purports to be up market...is it too much to ask to put a bit of plastic/rubber over the paint colour on the interior of the door /window frame? seems it is, but Renault isn't the only brand to dismiss this request.
I don’t see the point of these panoramic roofs. I had a hire car with one, didn’t like the feeling of the sun on my head and just closed the blind. I’d much rather a normal sunroof that can be cracked open for a bit of ventilation.
Snow? No mention of the very pleasant well equipped Nissan Ariya which is the same car underneath in this review . A Sloda Enyaq is still the car to beat in this part of the market.
You can buy a false floor that raises the load hight from Renault, it's about £150 but negotiate with the dealer and I know some people who got it thrown in for nothing.
I just think the whole car industry needs to stop referring to this class as SUV. There's nothing sports or utilitarian about this class - nobody will in the right mind take this into a field or dirt track. Given the steroidal growth of the car bodies to accomodate everyhing and anything, just rebrand them family cars. The Scenic has always been and will always be a reasonably respectable family car- wasn't it a mini MPV decades ago? Anyway, I digress. I do quite like what's being penned over at Renault with their most recent EVs and does offer viable alternatives to the exceedingly good Korean cars. Might even consider this to replace the latest gen Kona Ultimate when my term ends on my salary sacrifice.
All these range tests are driving between 65-70 mph not really practical in the real world where the average speed on the motorway would be a realistic 75-78 mph
Its true my Enyaq 60 goes from 210 miles real world at 50mph with air con and me and some stuff in the boot....to 170 at 75mph and then in peak winter wind...140. This scenics battery range is exactly what should be the base except for pensioner church runners.
It would not be a French car unless it had at least one completely bonkers element. Step forward the door handles, totally French - stylish and impractical. The sun roof is a wonderful idea though The boot design and the way the rear seats fold down is unforgivably bad. The range is impressive and charging times are fine for me. The price though is hard to take, probably £5-8k too much
I am German, i drive a French car and I don't think your comment particularly intelligent. You Brits need to stop with the stereotypes about French being "quirky", they are not, or not as much as you spin it. They are great cars.
@@klausschelling8159 Sorry but French cars nearly always have one odd element, and have had for decades, at times even the ads for their cars played on this fact. Odd or quirky does not always mean bad, the new R4 (or maybe R5, I forget which) has a baguette basket can anything be more French than that (it is brilliant and daft at the same time), and both are potentially great cars. The new Scenic was so nearly a great car but IMO fails because of stupid door handles and an even sillier boot design. But of course, as a German you have played into your own stereotype by displaying absolute no sense of humour
I love the new Renault design architecture. I was looking at the Megan-E, but it felt too small for my needs. This Scenic looks great. I couldn't buy the Tesla Y, as it's a bloody ugly-looking car.
What is your obsession of comparing to the Model Y? I’ve had one - it’s not a great car. Big screen does not equal good. It equals…big screen. And with regards to blocking the screen - in my usual seating position on a Model Y I couldn’t even see the speed because it was tucked into the top right of the screen - obscured by my arm on the wheel.
Why did you buy one in the first place? The big screen is pretty obvious, even before a test drive. Strange complaint. And only one main complaint…. A big screen.
It is a benchmark, used to pique people's interest but also to see how other cars compare to something they might be familiar with. Reviewers do the same thing when reviewing hatchbacks...They compare them to VW Golfs so viewers have a better idea of the features and proportions of the car in question.
@@thedreamfactory6964When I bought it the speed display was in the centre of the right hand panel. A software ‘upgrade’ moved it to the very right along with all the warning symbols…eg low tyre pressure!
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I’ve got one and done range tests, my latest being 280 miles on the M1, and also a near 600 miler up to Scotland. The range is fantastic, all for Model 3 RWD money.
Note there’s not much difference between trims, the base model is fully loaded.
6 year Tesla owner- I am certainly not regretting switching over, the car is fantastic.
What often isn’t mentioned much is the chassis, it is just right between comfort and stiffness. No roll, very comfortable on long journeys as are the seats (I have the ‘base’ version). I’d disagree with the review there compared to most other cars of this type- try a Sportage which rolls and bounces around much more (my wife has one). I haven’t noticed the brake spongy either although I hardly use the brakes, I use full regen.
Insurance is £450. They wanted £1100 for my Model 3 RWD this year.
Renault are knocking it out of the park with this car, I can’t believe what a good job they did with it.
Nice to see a review from a non journo who actually gets the point of a family car like this. Good luck on your purchase!
Can confirm that both of his videos on the scenic are brilliant go ahead and watch!
Another Stellantis car..no thank you
@@dadys31 Renault is not Stellantis.
Come on people.
@@Mi82475 he’s thinking Peugeot I bet.
I have had mine a month now Esprit Alpine and have to say I've had no issues with the brake feel or inconsistency and it's a company car so already done a fair few miles. I also find the ride very good and it's no sports car but it's not at all bad on twisty roads. One point you don't mention is the kerb weight compared to other EV's at around 1800Kg's.
The massive difference between the scenic and the model Y is the cost of the insurance! The model Y is almost twice as expensive. Plus, if your being picky.... you don't need to pay anywhere near as much for the nice red paint on the Scenic.
"Everyday's a school day!" I had no idea about the insurance issue. Turns out a Model Y Long Range is insurance group 48! Almost the highest possible. That's bonkers!
@@Glassey12 True indeed. Plus the base Model Y is not "so fast". Yes it's nippy but not Group 48 nippy. It's the most ridiculous group insurance and it has stopped me from buying one. Even my AMG was cheaper to insure than a Model Y... Bonkers!
The insurance rates are because of the risk of explosion a vw made eV went up on a ship.the ship burned for five day the damage 650 million don't gamble with your family's life the risk is real and insurance company's know it
Let's hope Tesla brings over to the uk it's own insurance for Tesla drivers it has all the data on the car & the driver to give a realistic quote! May be make the other insurance companies be more realistic on their prices
@@markwilliamson9027 I pray for that also... 👍
Renault and France in general, are knocking it out of the park of late....Where Germany stumbles with it over complex, over-priced beasts, the French car industry is picking up the ball and running hard. Fantastic to see.!
Renault started tinkering with making EVs before most of the other mainstream car companies so haven’t had to play catch up as much
Hardly. No innovation or advancement here. Essentially the same offering as the Zoe from 12 years ago. Too little too late. They need to build on this and develop fast, not sit back and do nothing as they did with the Zoe. For too long western legacy manufacturers have relied on expensive luxury EVs with high margins. Vorsprung durch Technik!
@@lightningleaf23 Au contaire mon aim. They started early with the Zoe, but then did nothing for 10 years.
@@grahamcook9289 started with the fluence
@@grahamcook9289 how do you know they did nothing ? They didn’t release any other cars but they have without doubt gained experience improving range, power out put and battery life.
My sister in law has the spec above this one and it’s lovely. The door handles pop out and very easy to use. Also has the Renault badge lit up on the ground. I would love one but above my budget.
The one in the video is the top spec. Theres actually very little difference between the three, this top spec one has a few goodies. The middle one is identical to the entry level, save for trim differences and bigger wheels. The entry level is actually fully loaded, with very little not on it.
The entry level spec (techno) does not have the panoramic sunroof, or does it, @wakeywarrior ? Going to test drive one tomorrow...
@@bethechange36 no the roof is on the top spec only. Plus 360 cameras, digital reverse mirror, better stereo, massage drivers seat and bigger wheels (not a good thing IMO the wheels). Otherwise they are the same. The Alpine is exactly the same as Techno save cosmetic changes including bigger wheels. Bigger wheels give less range and comfort, Techno wheels are very good. I have the Techno if you want to see what it looks like on my vids.
@@wakeywarrior I just had a look at the iconic and I think I will be getting that one. The hub caps on the iconic are designed to optimise the range and it does just that I am told. Thanks for the info!
@@bethechange36 yes the hub caps will give more range when in-but it will have less range than the 19 inch wheels.
French car makers - Renault, Citroen, DS Automobiles, Alpine, Peugeot - have dramatically upped their game those last 10 years. Excellent quality built, superb design, great interiors, great tech, etc... I drive a Peugeot 3008, it's the best car I 've ever had.
42.000 euro, but it feels like a 100.000 euro vehicle. The quality ride is just out of the world, quality built is bordering on luxury.
@@timmytimpster3807 When have I said that ? I invite you to read again my comment, I mentioned my car, a Peugeot 3008, not a Renault, and I said it feels like a 100k vehicle, and it really does. I didn't say it has costed me 100k, I said it feels like a 100k car. You need to read properly other people's comments before you reply to them, thank you very much.
@@timmytimpster3807he was talking about the Peugeot, and when bmw 5 series are over 100k now, what he’s saying isn’t crazy.
I drive a 3008, previous gen 2023 car. It’s the worst car I’ve ever had. So many shortcuts, poor development and build quality. You can see Whatcar’s most recent 2008 video to see what the transmission is like for example, my 3008 is similarly jerky.
I wouldn’t have even considered it, were it not for Covid supply constraints blocking me from getting my usual Japanese or German brands.
@@disarchitected I just don't believe a singe word you have posted.
"Getting my usual Japanese or German brands", that absolutely explains your comment.
You just wanted so bad to bash Peugeot so you've posted that completely made up story.
I am German, Auto Engineer by trade (Performance Engineer) with 17 years of work experience at VW Group and Volvo, I know a thing or two about cars. Peugeot have improved so much.
The 3008 is a top seller in all Europe, is highly rated everywhere and is a genuinely excellent car. You Brits (well some of you) have a real issue with anything great that the French do, you instantly need to say bad things about it.
Sad attitude.
And I really couldn't care less what Whatcar said about the Peugeot 3008. Quite Frankly, I watch a lot of car reviews on YT, I can say UK channels are the least professional ones.
@@klausschelling8159 Other stuff I dislike, such as the totally dead feeling from the rear axle (torsion beam), or the weird shaped steering wheel, or the festoon of stalks behind the steering wheel could be put down to a matter of taste. The fact the keyless entry doesn’t have sensors on the rear doors is also very annoying, because the kids need to be buckled in first.
But the fact is, overall the car is poor.
Especially compared to the Kia Sportage and Volvo XC40 that I also evaluated at the same time. If it wasn’t for the Peugeot having the shortest lead time by far, I would have ended up in the XC40. During the 3 days I had it, it was immediately apparent the engineering / ergonomic depth was at another level. It is a Whatcar 5 star car for a reason.
I have the iconic trim and been driving it for the last month and I love it! Easy to drive, run, does everything I want with a great range.
does it have electric seats ?
@richardspiers3079 electric front driver's seat with electric lumbar function and manual passenger seat.
The French are killing it with their EVs, especially Renault! This is how you beat the Chinese. Renault and Peugeot are already legacy brands with exhaustive support network, something the Chinese do not have!
Ive got an alpine esprit version and it’s awesome. The break pedal hasn’t been an issue with mine.
Germans should be concerned! Renault group much more attractive than VW at the moment in my opinion (still got a soft spot for Skoda though)
I am German. I can tell you that more and more Germans are absolutely furious at VW and the others (BMW, Mercedes Benz) unbelievably high prices. French cars now are as good, and in more and more cases : even better than what VW do, and they cost less money. Come to Germany or Austria, you'll see more and more French cars here.
@@klausschelling8159 Hi Klaus, I am an Englishman living in Tirol! Currently driving Dacia Jogger because I am not rich, but happy :-)
Vw seems to be playing dumb, bmw instead of offering features as standard wants to make features a subscription service, at least the French for better or worse are trying.
If car companies make a lot of money in China they need to please the Chinese consumer but compared to European consumers the Chinese like more tech features and European brands aren’t given them that.
Its certainly the best looking in red..... I had one for a week. The tech and the range is great. My only negative was the space between internal wheel arches in the boot. They restrict the width of the boot too much. It is definitely a BEV that should change people's pre conceived ideas of BEVs.
Did you choose the full red, or red with the black roof? The price of the black roof option shocked me in the configurator.
@@Vilmir full red
Why did you only have it for a week?
whatsinmy AI fixes this. Renault Scenic: Best Electric SUV?
A very critical but fair review. Renault/Dacia ,could easily tempt me back to a French brand, after giving up on Citroens a couple of years ago - I think that Renault is a more sensible proposition than anything coming out of Stellantis - Fiat, Citroen, Peugeot. DS, Vauxhall, Alfa...
This car is a good example of how EV's are evolving. 5 years from now, it'll be interesting to see how this evolution has progressed..... Personally I'd have thought a useful safety feature such as the camera feed to the rear view mirror, ought to be an option on all trims.....
Not outstanding when it comes to charging speeds? It can charge at up to 22Kw on AC power which makes it quite unique.
But sold with 7.5kwh AC charger by default, 22kwh option is 2000€
@@Vilmiryou need a wall box to get 22kW either way…
@@Kurre. 22kwh is important on vacation. Most of the charging stations deliver 22kwh on vacation spots in France.
@@Vilmir well yes but only if one car is plugged in. If 2 cars are plugged in at the same spot, the power will be divided between them
I really appreciate your work What Car. Your reviews keep things grounded and are my 'go to' for genuinely useful information... when I'm not dreaming about some ridiculously fast and desirable car I can't afford. 😆
When I saw the title picture I was thinking: Oh, Renault also builds an id4… at first glance, the front seems very similar. Renault is really delivering at the moment. R4 and the unbelievably cool R5, and now one for the more conservative audience. Well done Renault, well done…
For me the SUV tag is a bit misleading. Having seen one in real life it’s actually quite low slung like a large hatchback; certainly looks better than the pictures.
Overall I like where Renault are going with EVs. The French government has also created some really generous incentives for EV adoption so even if it’s not a runaway success elsewhere I think Renault has a pretty captive market at home.
Also it’s nice to see a car just be a car, to prioritise comfort and ride quality over this ‘sporty’ nonsense which most everyday drivers will only be able to access 2% of the time and the other 98% they’ll wish they could drive across a potholes road without losing the fillings or parallel park without a personal trainer.
It’s surprisingly small and lower on the outside than you think. We have a Sportage and it’s noticeably lower but just as big inside.
The original Scenic was, to use a hackneyed term, a game changer. Rear seats that could be removed, recline and adjust. At the time it was a fashionable car. To describe it otherwise is a tad ungenerous. Nice to see a reviewer not 'dis' the traditional glorious Renault audio satellite controls for the stereo, something they did before anyone else. Too many buttons are on the steering wheel these days!
I wish these were available in the US.
Had my alpine spec scenic for about 1500 miles so far. Love the car, spec, driving, looks etc, but brakes always groan and creak when stopping no matter how gentle i am with the pedal. Same when auto handbrake releases. Is this a common problem? Worth getting it back to the dealer to resolve?
I do think that all EV's should have a Froot/Front Boot/Frunk as on a trip with luggage your cables will be buried. But having a Froot means you can store the cables well away from the luggage and not have to empty the boot if you find yourself needing a cable to charge.
Otherwise a good family sized EV and great to see it can be bought under that magic £40,000
Totally agree. It's a real faff getting the cable out of the boot under the main boot floor in my elscenic , especially if you've invested in a boot liner.
Phyisical buttons for climate control are better than using a screen but still a step back from dials. Dials > buttons > screen controls.
Renault are on their A-game right not and this looks like one hell of a package. However I mourn the death of the MPV. In terms of packaging it will always trounce an SUV.
Assuming it's substantially the same platform, the Scenic looks like it give a fair picture of what we can expect out of Nissan's Leaf replacement due in 25' and being produced in Sunderland from what I understand.
Don't the handles pop out automatically when you arrive to the car? And lock themselves when you start driving and pop out when you leave the car or push the unlock button? Never had to dig the handle on my Megane.
Yes they do.
@@wakeywarrior So the problem really isn't there. 😅
Dealbreaker was the interior design for me. I preferred the cockpit style of the Peugeot e3008 as well as the exterior looks.
£37k for a family car is insane- the world has gone mad and the reviewers say it is good value😮
Welcome fellow Scot!
Yes, and legacy car sales are falling steadily as a result. Only cheaper cars such as Dacias, plus Tesla and Chinese EVs are improving. A few legacy brands will merge and survive as niche products but the automotive industry as we knew it is about to change drastically. Tarifs will not save them.
Electric car reviews always quote the range with a 100% battery, yet quote a charging time when only charging up to 80%.
Why not also quote an 80% battery range?
Multiply by 0.8. DUH.
Vinyl > Cassettes > CDs > MP3s > TH-cam > Spotify > ? Where will the next generation lead us?
Vinyl
I think too much fuss is made of hard scratchy plastic- so what?,it’s cheaper,it’s easier to clean and far more hard wearing,just focus on the benefits
Agreed and I would even go as far as to say necessary low down where it's more likely to get dirty from muddy shoes etc. I want a nice easy clean surface, not something that looks nice for 2 seconds then forever dirty as it is impossible to clean.
Nice materials up high, hard wearing a wipe clean down low.
150kW charging speed is fine considering that very few public chargers are available that can even get close to that.
not as future proofed as some other rivals
@@oussama4629 Let's say an EV lasts 10 years and it will take at least 0 years to reach widespread higspeed, 100kW+, public charging, future proofing EVs now is a waste of money.
@@grahamcook9289 an ev can last more than 10years easily, if the battery became degraded it can be replaced but the charging speed will be the same. it's not bad in the coming 5yrs though
Renault all the way! ❤
Please add the metric system to your script and editing
And please tell us how tall you are, so we can judge the rear seat space and headroom. You just about fit in the middle seat, but are you 5 ft 2 or 6 ft 5? Just a pop up on screen would suffice, giving the presenters height in imperial and metric.
Very good report, but…
You have a lot of international viewers, and I would like to know the price before UK taxes and VAT. I would also like metric info. Put it on the screen every time you use imperial.
After two test drives, I’ve noticed that an important issue is consistently missing from your reviews - the poor quality of the rear camera. It’s a crucial feature for many drivers, yet it seems to be overlooked. Why is this never addressed?
Try more detailed, longer format channels like Autogefuel.
Opinions, this or a 2024 Model 3 RWD Long range, in terms or range and interior space (boot)? (Not focused on the cost difference)
I tested both, prefered the 3 interior by a long mile, but prefered the driving ergonomics of the Scenic. Driving pleasure was a victory by K.O for Tesla. Still don't know what to get for now, despites all the test drives I did.
I’ve owned both, this does substantially more miles than a 3 RWD- around 50 more in real work driving, to me that makes a huge difference. This is a much more modern car, and I think it’s better, the ride is also much more plush for long journeys (albeit that’s improved on later 3). Insurance on this for me is nearly a third of the 3. I think the interior on this is a lot nicer than a 3.
Teslas are great cars but the Techno LR version of this is the same price as the 3 RWD and offers substantially better value for money in an up to date package. Let’s put it this way, I wouldn’t send it back and get my 3 to replace it.
@@wakeywarrior so no screen in the back, no frunk storage, less efficient (so more expensive to run) and no supercharger network? Yeah for the same money I think I'd stick with the car that has decent brakes...
When we ever see an MPV or Saloon model? Isn't everyone tired of SUV/crossover models?
For me it is way better than tesla.
You have to be dreaming, nothing and I mean nothing touches the maps and superchargers that make life easy when on a long trip to a place you have not been to it plots everything for you. All I heard on this review was excuses from the reviewer. Charging speed not as good as model Y.
@@heatseeker1962you can charge the Scenic at a Tesla supercharger now. I've done so. The supercharger argument is null and void now.
@@heatseeker1962just the fact that this has physical controls for most of the main functions makes it better than a Tesla.
Exactly thise physical buttons and the clutter makes it worse than a tesla. Not to mention the complete car package. In this regard no other ev comes even close to a tesla model y
Am considering one thoe have looked at the enyaq
I hate comments like this but 40k! We shouldn't really be buying cars for more than. 1/3 our salary. So you need 120k for a base Renault!? Mad times
You can lease it for about 430 a month. You can then do over 300 miles for about £8 if charging at home.
So people making 60k should only buy cars costing 20K? That really doesn’t leave much choice does it. The more pressing question is should we need to buy new cars as often as we do? The fact that public transport and road safety for non-driving road users is so poor is indicative of a society that would rather people spend money on stupidly depreciating assets than investing in more efficient, healthy and potentially safer forms of transport. And then we can all drive cool old cars on the weekends for fun obviously.
Do the UK have tariffs on Chinese EVs ???
@@thomasneedham3342 good point! Surreal times...
@@wosamosman9814 don’t think so at the moment. They are not ultra cheap here though.
I visited a showroom to see this. The rear headrests can be removed to improve rear view.
No kidding Sherlock
Is it just me or do all new cars all seem to look alike. In years to come it will be difficult to distinguish what model is what.
It's just you!
😂
This is very different from any BMW, Mercedes, Tesla and Polestars. Maybe Peugeots look a bit similar. But generally speaking I wouldn’t say so.
This one has the same designer as the Peugeot's newer models. Also, most cars are built on modular platforms which inevitably will make different models look the same.
What's the battery chemistry? Does it have active thermal battery management? Does it have a heat pump?
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information that is apparently irrelavnt at whatcar...
Looks like a nice car 🚗
Not generally a fan of SUV's but that is one good looking car, especially in that colour!
So the long range does 15% less than Renault say it will and at what speed ? I assume that was in summer so less in winter. 60kw battery cars will do 110 to 120 miles on UK motorways.
I'm still concerned about the range and waiting around for an hour for recharge.
Apparently the range is less in bad weather with lights and wipers on.
A friend told me he was refused on the ferry crossing .
Think I'll stick to petrol motor.
Just how far do you travel in a week and you wont have to visit a petrol station any more, just plug in at home or work. Your petrol car has less range in bad weather with the wipers and lights on… as for “a friend was refused….” that type of anecdote sounds like one an MP starts with…nuff said.
Has Renault built any chargers in the UK??
Great review, if the charger located in right hand side would be perfect for my family
Rear seat that recline? Is there such a vehicle, EV or ICE?
On the Electric side there's the Hyundai Inster
Xpeng G6 and G9, EV9 at least (tested myself), probably quite some others.
My VW Touran does, so does my Hyundai Ioniq 5.
This car is not an SUV is an MPV
Cup holder is very low down..not ideal at all. That could get very annoying very quickly depending on how regular you drink coffee.
I'm liking the look of this. Seeing where I work we sell other "rival" ev's I may have to give it a miss.
I'm sorry I didn't watch all the video, but what is the brand of the batteries? Most are Chinese.
i like the part where u tell us the price of the bigger battery... Oh thats right, you NEVER DID!
Looks nice, but had 2 Renaults before, both very unreliable with big expensive issues that were never resolved.
Same here, had two new Renaults in the past, a scenic and modus, both the most unreliable new cars we have owned. Now on our forth forth Ford, Kuga hybrid presently, no issues in 14 years.
@@Steve-rv1ql I've had older renaults uniquely since 1997 (when I was 16 and bought my first one walking home from school). Renault 11s, 21s, an original Scenic, Laguna and Clio, My main car is a Romanian Renault (Duster) and after 7 years I've had nothing but clean MOTs and nothing has gone wrong. I'm on my original rear tyres, original brakes etc. I also own a 1987 Renault and a 1992 Renault, the latter we have had since 1998. Never had any issues. I would say that the noughties Renaults were not the best...
@@sebastianohalloran9093 agreed, the wife (like all wife’s) has a long memory though, both our Renaults broke down on motorways when she was driving, neither was an experience she would want to repeat. £40k is a lot of money, for questionable reliability.
And? I've had a Renault for the last 15 years and they have never gone wrong.
@@dsmx85 Fair enough, but your experience is not representive of general opinion or my personal experience.
Nice review. What about the regen? Does the car do one pedal driving?
Adjusting the volume as the passenger you'll have to use annoying capacitive controls on the infotainment system. I wish they'd put a rotary encoder for that.
Same issue with the brakes as with the Megane.
Renault can do no wrong right now. I'm very impressed. However like last comment, I'll also not consider EV
Then go for the Symbioz, Austral, Espace or Rafale
Interested to know why? Seems like a pretty great car regardless of power source
Seriously consider it. This thing gets 320 miles all motorway driving, you can get that mileage for about an £8 charge at home. Very smooth, quiet, instant power etc. Just give one a try on a test, you’ll maybe change your view.
I’ve saved over £1400 in fuel costs over the last year switching from a 2 litre diesel Evoque to a Jaguar I-Pace. Plus I don’t have to stand in a smelly petrol station breathing in fumes anymore.
If I lived in the UK I’d be the same. The charging infrastructure is so poor and so unregulated that it makes owning a non-Tesla electric car stupidly complicated and expensive if you don’t have access to home charging. This isn’t really the same in countries with the infrastructure, cheaper electricity and better regulation. For me, with the low electricity costs and high fuel costs we have here, my next car will definitely be electric, that said the low cost of public transport and ever improved cycling infrastructure is making the need for a car less relevant every year….. so we’ll see.
It's interesting what reviewers say about steering wheels like this. They same reviewers said that about the Peugeots too, yet I have yet to meet an owner raise any concerns about it. In short, don't trust reviewers, check for yourself.
A kinda cool Scenic? It's very tempting
What's the battery degradation warranty?
The battery in my MG4 is guaranteed for 10 years, and the car for 8.
Excellent review; thanks Doug.👍
Had to laugh at your rear door handle comments!
This is a sad and all too common example of redesigning the wheel 🛞.
Who looked at car door handles , which have worked perfectly well for 60 years plus, and thought ;” Nah , I’ve got a much better solution! Some shitty little plastic flap, that can decapitate your fingers, that you have to press in and then pull out the handle . Brilliant in the winter; what could possibly go wrong?!”.
Madness !
The sunroof is either transparent (see-through) or translucent (lets through diffuse light). It is not opaque because opaque means it doesn’t let light through at all (like a metal roof).
11:25 When a car purports to be up market...is it too much to ask to put a bit of plastic/rubber over the paint colour on the interior of the door /window frame? seems it is, but Renault isn't the only brand to dismiss this request.
Take the entry level and avoid the Luxury Car Tax!
or buy before April!
Quick question: this Scenic or new Ioniq 5?
IONIQ 5
Renault Scenic !
What does Google get back for their software included with the car? They don’t give you it out of their ‘good’ hearts 🏴
Money from Renault for using their system
Desperately needs faster DC charging
I don’t see the point of these panoramic roofs. I had a hire car with one, didn’t like the feeling of the sun on my head and just closed the blind. I’d much rather a normal sunroof that can be cracked open for a bit of ventilation.
I would be worried that those door handles would be prone to freezing up in cold weather
Snow? No mention of the very pleasant well equipped Nissan Ariya which is the same car underneath in this review . A Sloda Enyaq is still the car to beat in this part of the market.
Finally, an EV that doesn’t look Chinese…
That boot drop , lifting a wheelchair out is a deal breaker unfortunately.
You can buy a false floor that raises the load hight from Renault, it's about £150 but negotiate with the dealer and I know some people who got it thrown in for nothing.
@@KennethPaul thx good to know
Even if I won one, I would not want it
Whatever we do don't mention the wheels 🤮
I just think the whole car industry needs to stop referring to this class as SUV. There's nothing sports or utilitarian about this class - nobody will in the right mind take this into a field or dirt track. Given the steroidal growth of the car bodies to accomodate everyhing and anything, just rebrand them family cars. The Scenic has always been and will always be a reasonably respectable family car- wasn't it a mini MPV decades ago? Anyway, I digress. I do quite like what's being penned over at Renault with their most recent EVs and does offer viable alternatives to the exceedingly good Korean cars. Might even consider this to replace the latest gen Kona Ultimate when my term ends on my salary sacrifice.
Renault deliberately market this as a "Family Car" .. they themselves make no mention of SUV
Wasn’t this once a minivan?
0:26 Good morning.
I miss MPVs.
Why jet another SUV they should do MPV as Scenic always was
All these range tests are driving between 65-70 mph not really practical in the real world where the average speed on the motorway would be a realistic 75-78 mph
Its true my Enyaq 60 goes from 210 miles real world at 50mph with air con and me and some stuff in the boot....to 170 at 75mph and then in peak winter wind...140. This scenics battery range is exactly what should be the base except for pensioner church runners.
It would not be a French car unless it had at least one completely bonkers element. Step forward the door handles, totally French - stylish and impractical. The sun roof is a wonderful idea though
The boot design and the way the rear seats fold down is unforgivably bad.
The range is impressive and charging times are fine for me. The price though is hard to take, probably £5-8k too much
I am German, i drive a French car and I don't think your comment particularly intelligent. You Brits need to stop with the stereotypes about French being "quirky", they are not, or not as much as you spin it. They are great cars.
@@klausschelling8159 Sorry but French cars nearly always have one odd element, and have had for decades, at times even the ads for their cars played on this fact. Odd or quirky does not always mean bad, the new R4 (or maybe R5, I forget which) has a baguette basket can anything be more French than that (it is brilliant and daft at the same time), and both are potentially great cars. The new Scenic was so nearly a great car but IMO fails because of stupid door handles and an even sillier boot design. But of course, as a German you have played into your own stereotype by displaying absolute no sense of humour
@@justinstephenson9360 Ha. Ha. Ha. Your comment was so funny! wow
The handles are absolutely great, they pop out- nothing new, just like a Tesla S or Jag iPace. The review makes an issue, there is no issue.
This is not an SUV .
I admit I don’t like the styling of the scenic… I much prefer the Megane over this…🏴
So annoying this car channel doesn't bother showing prices in euro or dollar.
I don't care about the origins of the channel.
Why would they display it in dollars....you cannot buy this in the USA
@@timmytimpster3807 for comparison sake
I love the new Renault design architecture. I was looking at the Megan-E, but it felt too small for my needs. This Scenic looks great. I couldn't buy the Tesla Y, as it's a bloody ugly-looking car.
The Scenics used to be huge, with a massive boot, this is just another hatch, and it isn't kid friendly.
BIG SHEAT
Seat?
Seat?
BIGNUL
Dacia Badster?
OmG...the things you are told to say... I'm sure you are aligned with the new jaguar philosophy.
Why not just say it's a mini suv
Skip to 9:13 if you want to avoid all the waffle about seats and boot space…yawn
lol, because I have little kids, those are the first things I check out!
What is your obsession of comparing to the Model Y? I’ve had one - it’s not a great car. Big screen does not equal good. It equals…big screen. And with regards to blocking the screen - in my usual seating position on a Model Y I couldn’t even see the speed because it was tucked into the top right of the screen - obscured by my arm on the wheel.
Why did you buy one in the first place? The big screen is pretty obvious, even before a test drive. Strange complaint. And only one main complaint…. A big screen.
It is a benchmark, used to pique people's interest but also to see how other cars compare to something they might be familiar with. Reviewers do the same thing when reviewing hatchbacks...They compare them to VW Golfs so viewers have a better idea of the features and proportions of the car in question.
@@thedreamfactory6964When I bought it the speed display was in the centre of the right hand panel. A software ‘upgrade’ moved it to the very right along with all the warning symbols…eg low tyre pressure!
It’s just re-branded Qashqai, right 😂😂😂
that's not a sun roof doesn't open
From £ 37,500 😅😅😅... Havin a laugh
50K$ for a renault, i don't know who's going to waste all that money
Should be RWD.
One pedal driving?
Poor visibility, poor control set-up, impractical door access and boot layout, shaky handling, slow-charging etc.--What’s not to love?