1 Timothy 2:12: "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." This directly referenced female pastors/preachers. Seems pretty clear to me. Unless your don't agree with the bible.
1 Timothy that is not God or Jesus that said those words that was Paul. That was how he felt about it and that was the custom of that time. But Paul got his teaching from a woman named Eunice.
But, he's not... he never said he was. He said he wasn't well versed in the scripture and that he was confused and struggling with it. We're allowed to struggle. People shouldn't be shamed for that. That's what pushed many friends of mine away from the Church.
@@audreybeauchamp812 ya you can struggle but you can't give into sin and accept it. And you can't excuse something just cause your unsure, because the scripture is very sure
Can’t recommend Pastor Mike Winger’s YT video series on Women in Church Leadership enough. He goes into depth and detail on arguments from the Complementarian and Egalitarian sides. For anyone who knows they don’t know the scriptures well enough on this issue, it is a great resource.
This comments section is a thing that inspires prayer….I mean sheesh you guys. Did you even hear this? It’s a transparent and humble space of ‘hey I struggle with this so I don’t push my thoughts or opinions or others because I know the real truth is scripture which I am not sure of/struggle with’…I guess no one else has spaces like that?! If you say you don’t then cover back up because you’r pride is showing
Thank you for this comment, as I was thinking the EXACT SAME THING! He said " Maybe you know the scripture on this better than I do" and he clearly indicated that he wasn't convicted, if you will, to the notion that women shouldn't be pastors because he wasn't well versed in that belief. So, yes, lets pray, together, for the people in the comments section... that they show a little more grace and humility and allow the correction to come from the Holy Spirit.
Yea and I bet you if you pried into their life, they’re not staying true to all of the Bible either. It’s easy to tear someone down who has a platform. He’s trying to spread the gospel. He’s not perfect, none of us are. We are to pray for the Holy Spirit to give him revelation on this subject. Plus, he can’t just out his MOM! So it makes sense as to why he’s confused.
There should be no struggle where the Word is clear. The struggle exists in some cases because we're not surrendered wholly to God's will in His Word. Perhaps knowledge has puffed up past humble obedience.
Oh man this sucks. For whatever reason youtube has been pushing your videos on me HARD. Which seemed weird for what seems to be an almost brand new channel. I like most of the shorts I've seen and I listened to a full episode the other day at work and liked it because you had mostly good teaching when you were teaching and I appreciated your hardline Biblical stance of premarital sex and homosexuality. But I can't ride with this man. I hear what you're saying, and I've seen God use women too, in fact it seems God uses sinners and flawed people all the time... because that's what we all are. Why would it surprise you that God could work through someone who was disobeying His commands? That's what He does every time He works through any of us. Just because a sinner was following God in some ways, doing His holy work in some ways, why would you assume EVERYTHING they do must then be holy. The scripture is SO CLEAR. And brother I don't buy this whole "you may know scripture, but I know when I see the anointing of God on sombody" stuff. That's putting your own feelings over God's Word man. From everything else I've seen of you, I would expect you to have more wisdom in this area. Maybe your love for your mother has clouded your sight? I can agree to disagree on a lot of things with my fellow believers, but some of this modern stuff is just so far from Biblical that I just can't bring myself to hear teaching from someone who believes it, even if some of their other teaching is solid. Much love and blessings to you my friend. I'll be praying for you.
Hey John, I hear what you’re saying. I’m undecided about this issue, but I recognize high and mighty, prideful attitudes. You could have just said you respectfully disagree and moved on.
@@DelicueMusic Yes I could have. In situations like this I more often than not just say nothing and stop watching. But if I'm going to bother to say I disagree with someone's stance, they deserve for me to put some thought and explanation into why I disagree. It is absolutely the right thing to do to correct another Christian when they are wrong, that's how we sharpen each other like iron. Oftentimes it's not even worth the time to talk to someone if they're willing to put their own feelings or wants above scripture, and oftentimes I just don't feel like taking the time to explain myself, but in this case I felt called to actually take the time and God will use that for His purpouse whatever it is. By the way, calm down, please stop yelling, your tone is so mean! You also seem really proud in the way you exclaim your infallible ability to detect tone through text. Or did I mistake your tone? Sorry it's hard for us common folk to tell people's tone through text. No seriously though.. did you read what I said? I finished it with love and blessings and saying I would pray for him, I started the whole thing with a paragraph of why I liked his content, thats a virtual sandwhich of brotherly love. How could I be nicer? Or does my opinion in itself offend you? Sorry I just don't get it. My exhaustion about this topic would be understandable if you could put yourself in my shoes. Let me try to explain myself better so maybe you can. Many issues Christians disagree on I can understand, like say the rapture timing. That takes serious study to understand, because nowhere in scripture does it just say "the rapture happens right after this and before this", and although I strongly believe in a pre-wrath view, I can debate it in good faith and not become angry with people who disagree with me. But on topics like women preaching it's just so cut and dry. The only reason it's even a discussion is because of modern values and people putting their feelings above scripture. They don't like what the word of God plainly says but they want to be Christians so they twist the Word to fit their modern sensibilities. It becomes frustrating over time and although I still love them, and will still take the time to try to lovingly correct them, I'm not going to beat around the bush and act like their view has any legitimacy.
he literally said im not clear on this issue and i don't speak on it with as much conviction as i do on things i'm clear on. and your response is an essay disagreeing with his, uh, non-clarity? i don't understand. to me this is why ppl can't be honest in church. this fundamentalist or haughty push to know / be clear on everything or else your doctrine is off, is worrisome. i don't believe in female pastors and his uncertainty does not bother me.
Even MORE RESPECT that he was not only man enough but faithful enough to admit, I’m not that clear on that topic. That’s better than picking a side and still being unclear. That’s how religious battles get started. I enjoy Tim so much and Have learned a lot listening to him. It’s the realness for me.
That's the hypocrisy of America. And christian life is synonymous American life. I'm not a religious person but if you need faith in your life maybe you should switch to another religion. Idk I be hearing Islam make a lot more sense than Christianity but idk it probably has a lot of the same flaws
@@HashiramaSells No my friend. The bible is clear. The hypocrisy is coming from the guy in the video. He is the one who is confused. Some make their own story up. Remember. ISIS and the Taliban read the Koran just like other Muslims yet they are not all the same. I am a Christian and don't claim to be overly knowledgeable on Islam but I can see a complete difference in ideology in different factions of those who are of that religion.
@@slg4260 don't forget the KKK used the bible to justify their ends too. It goes both ways as is all things in life. Light is a spectrum and all things come to light....
In my experience, people who say they cannot “speak on this matter” or find some diplomatic response to it, (specifically concerning this issue. It was homosexuality before this) are just waffling around what they already know in their heart to be true but don’t have the courage to say it. I’ve been there. Bro. Tim knows what the scripture says but he doesn’t want to offend, alienate women, maybe his mother, with speaking the Truth plainly. My husband and I have met so much hostility from church people in this issue. It breaks my heart.
Lord Jesus Christ said if you didnt hate your own mother or your father or your brother or your sister, then you cannot be His disciple. In other words, submitting to God is more important than being liked by your own family, even if they see it as you hating them.
@@SlayingSin Jesus Christ didn't sqid to hate your father mother siblings or your neighbor, but he said to leave them to follow Jesus Christ. Also whoever comes in Jesus Name becomes his disciples and follower, they are his mother, brother and sisters. We should do the same. If our own parents are against the Lord or his word in the bible we should just leave them to follow Jesus wholeheartedly. But if they also support us and become followers themselves then you can count them as your own in Christ
The fact that the people in the comments NEVER doubted or actually looked into the context of those passages is scary. That was specifically to the women in that church because they were very disruptive. There was a woman judge in the book of judges for crying out loud 😂 and she was one of the most just ones.
She was a jude ony because the man that God called didn't want to do his duty as he was called. So in other words a woman being called to lead is out of men not stepping up. But if men are there and are there to step up...
The fact that you are only talking about one situation where the women were disruptive And ignoring the fact that the Bible says HE must lead his household well to be an overseer of the church. Who leads the household?? Eph. 5:22-24. Please read in context. Deborah was a judge, but we did not have the New Testament Covenant and governance. The Bible is clear. One more thing,, scripture can not be interpreted by our experience. His experience was he was saved in a female ran church. So what. People get saved in all kinds of places that are far removed from church.
@@inphantri Why didn’t God call another man instead to do the job then? Surely there was someone He could’ve used. God looks at the heart not the outward appearance how we do. We can’t just put God in a box because the Holy Spirit does what He will He said He’d pour his Spirit out on all men including women. Peter thought God wouldn’t use the gentiles if I’m not mistaken and he thought they were unclean but God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t care if it’s a Jew or gentile He’s using. Preaching and pastoring are two different things though. In the word He encouraged the woman at the well to go and tell people about Him which is spreading the good news. Also that scripture that said women shouldn’t teach was referring to old times where women would try to explain what was going on in the synongage during service which was a distraction. All I know is God doesn’t need man’s ok or permission to do what He will. He’s The kind of God that’s always doing a new thing and said He’d pour His Spirit on everyone. Just like Peter was wrong about thinking gentiles were unclean we can also be wrong.
The FACT that people in the comments didn’t look into context? There is another fact you are looking over. 1Tim 2: 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Verse 13 takes this all the way back to the garden bypassing any cultural, or modern day opinions on the matter of women Pastors or teachers. Women can be in leadership, but to what capacity?So please don’t act like you’ve studied with this passage staring at you in the face. You can’t bring up things that happened in the Old Testament unless you are willing to live by all of it. We are under the rules that God set for the church.
What one understands he is saying is, "How could G-d bring him to Jesus in a church lead by a woman, how did that happen?" Is what he's asking. He is stating, the grace of God was on his mother's church. He's sure God used a woman as a leader by his grace. He's open to learn as we all should be, and all we can do is pray for each other for God to guide us. Also, the body is weakened by us going against each other. Lets admonish and encourage each other. Lets share the scriptures with grace and humility. Bear in mind Deborah, Esther were used as leaders.# Woman used mightily by G-d's wisdom.
People act like they’ve never been confused about a passage in the Bible…just pray that God brings revelation to the man. I’ve heard theologians break down the Bible in a way that’ll make you wonder if you even read it right side up. Context is important, the era, rules/restrictions, all of that. Don’t just read the Bible at face value. STUDY the Bible.
@@LateNightRewrites where does it actually say women should not be pastors in the Bible. There are so many men doing such an excellent job at it. Silly argument just like all women being quiet. How many churches would cease to function if women sat down. God is not that petty, people are.
@@KingIam45 If you wanna disagree with it, that's your prerogative, you just wanna make sure you're aware that this isn't some random person on the internet's opinion, it's God's word. Obedience is better than sacrifice: 1 Samuel 15:22 Do not compromise on the word of God: 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Matthew 6:24 James 4:4 Proverbs 25:26 Ezekiel 33:13 (and many more) Let God be true: Romans 4:3
@Raszsa I hear you but the disconnect is that a gift doesn't make for an office. There's plenty of scenarios in which women with a gift can teach all day long and more power to them. I've been greatly edified by my women mentors and teachers and I have every intent to pass on what I know to other women by the grace of God. But the offices of elder and pastor are biblically reserved for married men with children. The church is a bigger version of the nuclear family, with different roles and responsibilities.
And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. - 1 Timothy 2... i think this is the biggest reason why paul says its a no go?
I think there’s a difference between a woman simply preaching, leading or organizing within the church AND being a lead pastor for instance. I believe it is a man’s roll to lead the church, but women have so many critical roles within the church. There’s just certain roles for men and women and elders and children.
Me too! I think that if in the most basic unit, the marriage, a man leads, why would it be different for the church? I’m a women and I definitely identify with the authority and leadership of godly men. If God wants to work through a women, he sure can but I feel personally a little uncomfortable with women pastors outside of womens groups or conventions.
When there's a lack of godly man leading then someone has to step up . Us man including myself gotta start raising up. I know for myself I had trouble to know what a man should be in God's eyes and dealing with mental health I've spent so much time healing but I believe there will be a rise of man leadership in the coming years
Ruth, Esther and Deborah are the 1st 3 powerful woman used in the Bible that I can think of... So, God will use any1 to do HIS will and reach the masses.
Can women bring men, people, to Christ? Yes they can. However, it is clearly stated in the Bible, God's Word, that women are not to be head of the household OR the Church.
The lesson here is that it takes a level of humility to not speak on something with authority that you don’t actually fully understand. Most people don’t fully understand certain things in scripture yet speak on it as if they have total understanding. He said he’s not clear on it & wrestles with it. Choosing not to speak on it as if his opinion or ideas on it are fact is something we can all learn from. Just because it’s clear to you, doesn’t make it clear for someone else & it also doesn’t make it 100% truth. #weseeinpart
I don’t mean this in any disrespectful or condemning way. I genuinely like pastor Tim Ross and his teachings from the pulpit. This is an analogy, I’m not at all saying this is what God will do, but pastor Tim’s answer when he says something along the lines of “how could I have been saved if it wasn’t God’s anointing” reminded me of where the Bible says “did we not cast demons out in your name?” And God responds with “depart from me for I never knew you.” I think though things are not in order, God’s Grace still abounds. In fact there is a Bible verse that says “where sin is, grace abounds.” It is God’s will that all should be saved. Why wouldn’t He use anyone He wants to use to complete His purpose and plan. There are a lot of corrupt and messed up churches, and you’d be hard-pressed to say not one person that attends there is saved. Again, I am not judging or condemning. I am not the judge, but I do know the word of God says women shouldn’t lead in the church. Whether that is a sin or not, I don’t know. I’d have to research further.
Don’t be afraid to admit if your mother was wrong. I mean it isn’t a riddle or parable. It is specifically clear. If the use of he and his pronouns aren’t specific then the husband of one wife should be. Trust that God is in need of nothing or no one to accomplish His will. Women work themselves into that position just because they feel strongly about it and think they are needed there. The thing is instead of trusting that God has that covered mankind often goes against Him and try to justify it with how much success they feel they’ve had with it. Just because people can be drawn and deceived it doesn’t mean the person that succeeded in doing so is anointed or is working under grace. Remember heretical pastors also think they’re anointed. I pray the truth is revealed to you from the Father on this and any other subjects you aren’t clear on because you’re becoming responsible for a lot of souls.
I will co-sign what you said bro! This is becoming a norm (Women Preachers). I believe that it goes back to learning about before the FALL and after the FALL in Genesis Chapter 2 & 3. Also, I believe learning about Hermeneutics will help the reader understand how to read the bible and how not to read the Bible.
Mike winger has a really in depth teaching about this subject… it’s a series and really long “BUT” if you want to get some better clarity on this, check it out… it’s really good and done in good spirit
Yeah, so this is where we have to study and do some research because remember: Deborah was a judge in the OT; that means 1Tim. 2 in the NT more than likely was for those women at that time who were out of line. The end of this chapter states that she can be saved by being faithful, charity, holiness, and sobriety. The word ‘saved ‘ probably means more that we may think. Also, we are in the current state
God bless you :) You are spot on 💯 Paul gave that opinion because some women were misbehaving in the early church and ge admonished them with that message. Deborah ruled for 40 years, Eunice taught this same Paul and Priscilla also helped Paul in his early days as a young convert, but because of the lack of understanding among Christians, we are quick to twist the Bible just for our own selfish interest and narrative. God help us all
You asked, "how did that happen"? Well, if it's against the will of God, it happened by the will of humans or satan. With all due respect bro, it sounds like you're "not that clear", because it's your mom. We must be cautious of turning a blind eye to the word because it's our mom (or others WE respect and honor). That's why Jesus/YAHSHUA said we must be willing to leave mother and father and take up our cross and FOLLOW HIM. Peace, blessings and love brother.
@Nina the Pit bully babe Yashua is Jesus'real name. The disciples called him Yashua (meaning Yah, short for YAHWEH, saves), but the Greeks who translated his name called him Jesus (which means deliverer). If you ask me, "Yah (God) saves" is better than just "deliverer".
It's clear sir. With all due respect it's crystal clear! Find the conviction and don't deny the word of God to court the favor of any category. No matter what grace is on someone. We can't re-write the constition remember?
And who made you and your kind God's PA or thought police to know what He's thinking or what His decisions are? If He chooses to use a woman to spread His message, who are we to question it?? Just because Paul gave his opinion on women keeping quiet in the church doesnt mean God said so. Do you even know why Paul adviced that?
@@jakesimp3583 Are you claiming what is written is false? Women aren't to lead men. Not in the house, nor in the church. Jezebel was the best example of this.
@@narrowroad6594She sure knows what she is saying.....one that verse is not to the body of Christ but to a particular people with cultural difference, it's you guys that don't get it. Was the bible written in English? How are you sure it's not translator error, because same Paul told another church in Christ there is neither male or female...? Galatians 3:28 There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. What do you have to say about this? This is a different church, the Galatians church. where are other scriptures that supports women not being in Leadership? What about this Paul commending Phoebe? She was a deacon....Romans 16:1 NOW I introduce and commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cenchreae, What do you have to say about this? A leader! You see why you don't take one scripture and make a rule God has not make......it takes humility for the spirit to teach you. In case you don't know....The word Pastor mean Koinmen in Greek "Shepherd" and throughout the bible women have been shepherd Why will God send Heidi Baker to Mozambique a Muslim nation to win them for him.....? where are all the men? what about Kathryn Kulhman? Maria woodworth Etter? Mother Theresa? Joyce Meyer and others? You think you know God? Think again.
I'm a woman and I can clearly say and believe that a woman can lead a ministry in a church, but should not lead or be a pastor of a church. There are women out there that have amazing testimonies and are able to be a light to direct others to Christ, but women are too be submissive to a man, thus not the leader of the biggest household, a church. Now with that being said, a woman should submit to the leadership of a man, if and only if, that man is being led by God. The word submissive has garnered a negative connotation, but it shouldn't have. If my husband is led and convicted by the Holy Spirit, I trust that he will lead me according to God's Will. My husband is my earthy protector and provider that God has blessed me with. Ladies and gentlemen, wait on the Lord while being obedient and the right mate will be provided. Then, ladies you will not have a problem with the word submission.
Are we talking about 1 Timothy 2:12, “I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.”? Because back in Paul’s day when the church was first starting out, they still largely practiced Jewish traditions. It was up to the women to teach their daughters and men to educate their sons on religious matters, so I think this was to respect the Jewish traditions on religious education. Also note in the verse it says “I do not permit” it’s not a direct instruction to the church to follow this law. Also I doubt women not being allowed to teach falls into the moral laws of the Old Testament, but instead probably in the ceremonial laws which was fulfilled by Jesus in his death and resurrection. That’s just my take on it but if anyone has anything else to add please do because Idk if I have all the information on this topic.
Wait coming to God is sin now? Because that's what he said. How did that happen as in him hear the word and turn to the Lord at a church lead by a woman.
@@incorruptibleword4513 He’s implying that if it wasn’t God’s will then his mother wouldn’t have been leading a congregation. So he’s using the fact that God didn’t keep that from happening as an excuse to turn a blind eye to it. God doesn’t allow sin but it’s done anyway. That doesn’t mean it’s His will for you to sin. And if you’re operating in sin then you’re actually moving away from God. Physical success isn’t an accurate measure for any kind of blessings because sinful people can have just as much success building a false church.
@@Kingdom_Heart not talking about what he was implying no need for you to speculate. That's your opinion and that wouldn't make sense anyway everyone knows God isn't stopping everyones sin with preemptive strikes so that's a bit of a silly conclusion. I'm talking about what he actually was saying. That he was saved in a church wherein a woman lead so here he was saying that was God's will for him to come to accept Christ. Is accepting christ not God's will if it was because of a womans congregation? God does indeed use the wicked for the benefit of the faithful after all. I've experienced it too many times. God's will isn't as straightforward as one might think. He has his reasons we don't see sometimes.
@@incorruptibleword4513 Ah first, nothing I stated was opinion. Let's explain. If the God of the bible had called his mother to pastor a church that'd be a different story. But since we know that God is faithful to who He Himself is (2 Timothy 2:13) we know that He didn't ordain for this. (Numbers 23:19 states He won't lie or change his mind) Now it gets interesting because if his mother was the one who taught him then you can question whether or not he is genuinely saved. Testing the spirits (1 John 4:1-6) isn't talking about the conversation you have in your head with "the holy spirit" and trying to differentiate between whether it's God or your flesh. Because according to the examples of God talking to people in the bible if you have to question it then that's already a red flag. The voice of God was never a silent thought but as clear as a person speaking to you. John is literally talking about the spirits of the false prophets. As we know prophets in the bible always speak for God. Part of the testing of the spirits would be to test the doctrines by which they speak to others. That being said Tim Ross' doctrine of who God is and what He allows is pretty shaky because 99% of God isn't God. If Tim Ross is claiming to be saved and that this came about through his mother being a pastor over a congregation, unless his mother was actually teaching that she wasn't supposed to be in the pull pit every time she preached then his mother was teaching of a god that isn't of the bible. Which is the only One who can save you. Meaning his salvation can now be questioned.
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them. There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then the majority of Jesus’ disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching men (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, the pastor of the church in Ephesus). Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, and women were the authorities in that branch of paganism-therefore, the theory goes, Paul was only reacting against the female-led customs of the Ephesian idolaters, and the church needed to be different. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention the standard practice of Artemis worshipers as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12. A third objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words for “woman” and “man” in 1 Timothy 2 could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words is broader than that. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not just husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a narrowing to husbands and wives in verses 11-14. Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people-the church, the body of Christ-and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity. Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. In verse 18, Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, suggesting to some that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. (The detail of whose name comes first is probably inconsequential, because in verses 2 and 26 the order is reversed from that of verse 18.) Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscillapastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14. In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13-14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and in the church. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church. Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15). God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership-in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and his gifting of them.
Perfect response. Thank you for taking the time to write this out. Well written and backed by scripture. Praise God for your commitment to staying strong and committed to biblical truth. I Just said a quick prayer for you my friend!
This. Women are called to preach, but not over men. There are reasons as you have explained. The story in Judges 4 is also testament to this: Judges 4:9 9 “Certainly I will go with you,” said Deborah. “But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the Lord will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman.” Deborah was a prophetess, but she wasn't to be teach over a man so a woman had to defeat the enemy. Women can teach other women and children but not men.
I read this and always asked pastors and teachers and they told me it was written in context to how Paul felt and the current social structures of that time. And when I examined it it’s clear Paul says “I do not permit” that is not God’s law that is Paul interpretation/feelings. There are clear scriptures where Paul shows this is how HE feels based on his disposition. Should we deeply consider it yes, but is it now something wrong or a sin…I don’t think so. But what is your interpretation of it being Paul’s on personal conviction?
But 'I'. Not the 'Lord Jesus', or 'God'. Paul's own opinion because of the division in the early church back then. When we read the Bible, let's ask for wisdom and not just read like toddlers staring at a colored painting book.
@@jakesimp3583 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 1 Corinthians:14:34
@@MarkJohnson-uu8oy still it's the "law" made by the Jews. If it was a law that came from God, Israel wouldn't have had Deborah leading them. Mariam wouldn't have worked with Moses before she got struck by God for what she did.
@@jakesimp3583 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. Isaiah:3:12
I am one who wholeheartedly appreciates transparency Fam. This brother said he’s not clear. That’s huge, because so many in the pulpit pretend when they defecate, it smells of perfume. He already said exactly what half of you recapped in your comments. He never stated a definite true or false, he said he’s unclear. This means this is something the Holy Spirit has to work on him to understand. Thus, unlike your perfect bishop apostle or sweet daddy- he is a work in progress. SMH. He doesn’t profess to be perfect. The smartest thing we all should do is pray for him to find understanding. ❤ #itsthejudgingforme
Hmmm weak answer bro . This is a very easily passage to interpret…and yes when God says no it means no . And as far as an Anointing women can use that gift for woman to lead other women , or many other ways . But it’s clear on the topic
A woman can teach as long as her head is covered and she's not in the pulpit or over a congregation. I.e. evangelize to others, teach other women, teach children.
Tim Ross, I completely understand what you are saying, and I was in a church with a female pastor. So I get it. However, the scriptures are clear about women pastors, and we can't get away from it. They can be gifted in preaching, but they're not called to preach in the church over men.
@878 4436 great question! Deborah was a judge, according to judges 4 and 5. Deborah was called by God to a judge for Isreal. God has all the authority to place anyone He wants into any role He desires. Having said that, the Holy Spirit (God) who inspired the New Testament through the writers, which includes the Apostle Paul. Your assumption about judges being far higher than a pastor is incorrect because judges have nothing to do with the Church. Now, Paul writes," But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint." 1 Timothy 2:12-15 He also says, "It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach," 1 Timothy 3:1-2 If we believe that Paul is under the influence of the Holy Sipirt while writing these scriptures. Then we should be in agreement with them because they are coming from God Himself. Peter even agrees with Paul's writings as scripture in 2 peter 3:15-16. Thank you for the question, and I pray this helps you. I love all our women in Christ and have much respect for them. However, this is God's Word, and who is the Word of God? Jesus Christ.
@@seanlyons11 You don't understand what a Judge was. I wrote a short essay should you have interest. This, by you, indicates you don't understand what a Judge was: Your assumption about judges being far higher than a pastor is incorrect because judges have nothing to do with the Church. God ruled Israel through the Judges during that time frame. Then He was rejected as King. From then on men ruled as kings, starting with Saul. The story of Deborah was taught for about 1000 years before Paul came. Complementarianism is false because it can't explain her. _____________________________________________________ Complementarianism That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are. The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can they teach men. So why is that? The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make any sense. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also embrace her position in the lower tier. A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women. A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but they aren't, but they are, when did that start? But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer. -excerpt 1 Timothy 2 It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb. So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the spiritually superior level of a Christian man.
I don't know but the Same Spirit that's in me is in women. I seen women speak in tongues. I've seen women get filled with the Holy ghost. I've seen Women cast out demons.
So that means that they aren't to be in line with authority as th word says. God says that he would pour out his spirit on all flesh...doesn't mean that the woman is the head now. Who is still the head.of the house when both work and bring in money? Does the fact that she now works and brings in money mean that she is now the head of the house? Just asking bro...selah
1 Timothy 2:12: "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." This doesn't mean women can't be servants of God. But it does mean that they aren't permitted to be pastors/preachers. It seems crystal clear to me. Whether I agree or disagree makes no difference as a believer. And I can disobey (and do) and not see immediate retribution for not following what's written.
@@cass1092 Paul was inspired by God. So it is from God. At what point should we start ignoring biblical principles because "That's how it was done at the time." There are plenty of examples of women having important roles. Deborah, Huldah, and Noadia where all female prophets. Now if not a single man in the church will step up and lead or you just cant find a male preacher then at that point I see no other choice.
My mom is a pastor. This topic has always been so difficult for me because if women can’t be pastors, then what is my mom doing? I believe that she’s serving God. But we do need to discern what the Scriptures say, no matter our opinions. Even if it hurts.
I appreciate the honesty in saying "I'm not clear on that." And yes, God anoints men and women the same. But there's a big difference between a gift and an office. Everywhere in the Bible where it talks about elders and deacons, they're men. Doesn't mean these leaders can't acknowledge the special anointing and authority a woman in their church may have in the Spirit, give her opportunity to prophesy, all that good stuff. Doesn't mean she can't use that gifting to raise up the other women in the church. But the Scripture really isn't unclear about how God wants the church structured. Church leadership comes with immense authority, and God thinks of authority in terms of responsibility. Teachers are going to receive a harsher judgement than others for a reason. We don't send women to the front lines in a war for a reason. God doesn't want us to have to be the first to get hit in the face when shtf. I'm grateful for his protection. Personally it just makes me sad how many people seem to think that, unless you have a title in the church, you're not important in the kingdom. Unless you're in the spotlight, your gifts are going to waste. What you do in the secret place, 101 or in your small group doesn't matter. Really? I know my pastoral gifting. I don't need any man to sign off on that for me to walk in it. The good pleasure of my Father and seeing people in my radius of influence changed by the Gospel is enough for me. God's division of labor doesn't offend me. I'm free from the pressure of having to "be somebody" in the church. Just some thoughts
God can open a persons eyes & bring them to Himself ANYWHERE... In the midst of the most unimaginable situations. You are for sure not clear. Gods grace & anointing can be on someone & they can still refuse to die to themselves & live for & through Christ. The word of God is VERY clear on this... We don’t have to like it, or even understand it. His ways are FAR above ours... I have been enjoying your content. Remember that one can do incredible things in the name Jesus, and one day they could hear, I DID NOT KNOW YOU.💔
As a women myself, women are not supposed to be preachers or pastors. The Bible is SO CLEAR & the devil even uses Christian’s to cause other Christian’s to stumble. That’s why scripture says teachers/ preachers will be judged more severely for there teachings and how accurate it is, how close to scripture the teachings are. This is why discernment is a necessary spiritual gift. It We must be led by the Holy Spirit, not our own emotions and experiences. It’s GOD’S WILL, NOT MINE. It’s better to know God’s Word BEFORE PREACHING & TEACHING ON A SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM / IN A CHURCH.
One thing I see A LOT of is when these women are in the state of leadership they 100% of the time get prideful/boastfull/let emotions take control. Which is not good. Even though things seem good for now they will always change into something bad even if you don't recognize it at first. "For Adam was formed first then Eve and Adam wasn't deceived but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor" 2 Timothy...
There's no clause if man or woman should be a leader in any circumstance... Both can lead at anytime depending on situations, circumstances , calling or purpose...
My mother and Granparents including my grandmother is why I'm still alive. And my Grandfather was a preacher. God uses everyone man or woman to do his Will. It's up to us to follow it
I'll take one woman pastor who's sold out to the Lord in full submission and has a clear anointing over 10 male pastors who have masters degrees and written books but have never cast out demons, and don't have any real power any day
Understandable. God loves us. He pursues us. He can, will, and has used vessels in spite of their relation to Him. This is the danger in putting weight on the exploits He works through us or that we observe in others. It’s indisputable that, as Matthew 7 states, on judgement day, many will present the anointed work that was done through and in spite of them and yet they will not be recognized as His followers.
Paul was addressing an issue that was occuring during that time in the church.. but not that woman couldn't be leaders or preach look at Deborah in the book of judges the army wouldn't fight with out her on the front line
I feel it's like this. Women weren't allowed in the synagogues to pray therefore the could hold no leadership positions, but when they complained to Jesus about the men not praying he said go get the women. So then if the men won't do what God called them to do in leadership positions then God will get the women to do it. Just as God said it you don't praise me he will get the rocks to cry out in praise. Either men be on your Godly jobs and do what he called you to do or he will find a replacement for you.
@@traceycolvin9828 its because of stuff like this that people that are eloquent are put in the pulpit rather than the anointed ones. Its about the call not the ability.
@@traceycolvin9828 For the leadership of the congregation 1 Timothy chapter 3 clearly uses he and his pronouns as well as specifically say he must be the husband of one wife. And able to manage his household which also alludes to the headship of the man. And the description of the man in this role also matches Titus 2:2. Women aren’t called for the shepherding of the flock unless they are teaching other women how to be wives and mothers (Titus 2:3-5). People always blur the line between what they think God is calling them to and the lust of their own desire to do what they think the kingdom of God needs. But God is never and will never need anyone to do anything and the second He does He wouldn’t be perfect. Even more so if the means by which “the call” is being done goes against what He had ordained.
@@freebird61 Translations on this differ apparently. The Lord gave the word; great was the company of women who proclaimed it -MEV The Lord gives the command; The women who proclaim good news are a great army -NASB Regardless, God settled the gender issue with Deborah. God ruled Israel through Deborah (and the other Judges). My essay on her can be posted.
@878 4436 I agree that women can spread the message, just not in the pulpit. I don't want to debate about the word. I just want to work out my salvation with fear and trembling and be found worthy to enter that Great City when Christ returns. Peace to you.
Our God is a God of order. There are plenty of people saved through preaching that is in error, doesn’t mean one is to stay and continue in that error once they read and learn what God has to say about those errors. Doesn’t mean women aren’t used greatly in the kingdom. You’ve used the words “spiritual ambition” just because you’re ambitious to do something for God doesn’t mean God specifically called you to do that. Regardless of you being right or wrong, I appreciate all that you post on here and I’ve learned a lot from you. So for that thank you. 🙏🏼
Here is the problem with that Scripture the 1 timothy verse was a quote that the church was using and says women are saved through childbearing. That is contradictory to being saved through faith, not by good works. So tell me what that means to be saved through childbearing? 1 Corinthians 14:26 talks about “Each one having a hymn, a revelation, a tongue, and an interpretation.” it doesn't exclude women from this. And if women are to remain in nonauthoritative figures of the church why were there female Judges and what about “Listen to the counsel of your wife” and the female leaders in the new testament appointed by Paul himself?
@@zoeyclarks7609 doesn’t matter how anyway you want to spin scripture to fit your feelings, GOD’s WORD is clear, women are not to have authority over men in the church, and you wonder why the church and even the world is so out of whack? Look around you, we are in the very end of the end of days, and this is one of the most tell tale signs. Some of the worst apostasies of today are coming out of ministries lead by women. Joyce Myers, Paula White, Beth Moore, etc… P.S Deborah was a special case and not even a preacher or head of a church so that argument falls mute.
No judgement! I'm moved to believe it is VERY important for men to take responsibility to involve scripture in the daily lives of their families. Imagine if all men did this
1 Timothy 2:12, Paul articulates a clear prohibition related to women in the local church. He says, ” I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” There is a distinction between the teaching and exercise of authority that should be acknowledged.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS YOUNG MAN!!! He let his “feelings” towards him moms faults get in the way of SCRIPTURE! That’s WHY HE IS NOT CLEAR!!! It’s HIM! Not SCRIPTURE!!!
@@tanyaking9989 She was JUDGE, which at that time made her the leader of the entire nation. She was also a Prophet, held the Office of Prophet. God looked at everybody in the nation, and chose a woman.
It wasn't by first choice, it was only a result that the man that God called didn't take up the mantle and so she took it up. If you gonna use that then a women leading is showing that the men are weak willed. Judge led in small aspects. A women being leader of the church is in relation to the priest...no woman was a priest in that time. The scripture is clear. We can try to go around it all we want.
My mom is also a minister I’m so tired of these preacher saying that women can’t lead that’s why we as a church can’t get anything accomplished we as the church need to come together and put god first and allow him to lead us
The questions that need to be asked are: Who was the audience? (Hint: Timothy) Did Paul know intimately the struggles of the churches where Timothy was? (Hint: yes) Who was Paul talking about? (Was it just the new Christian teachers of Ephesus who didn’t have experience and had many pagan traditions or all women? Hint: the subject and context matters) Did Paul also speak about other women preachers in approval? (Hint: he did) Did the Angel of the Lord himself tell a woman to share the news of the resurrection with the men? (Hint: yes He did) Historical context matters. Ultimately, picking this apart ain’t going to help anybody if they don’t have a relationship with the Lord. Get there and ask Paul in heaven.
God chose a Woman to lead the Israelites as a Judge in the OT. God chose a woman to hold the office Prophet in the OT. Holy Spirit anointed a woman to be a Deacon in the NT. A singular man said that he, alone and all himself, does not allow woman lead over men. Scripture also speaks against esteeming the traditions of men. But all of the Christian holidays, are traditions of men, and the ones that *GOD Himself* told us to follow until the End of Days, are largely ignored. The Early Church continued to participate in the Holy Days for the 1st 300-400 years, I believe, before they were abandoned to outside influences. Why do we pick and choose when we want to believe and then call people "lost" when they are saying that maybe, just maybe, the traditions of men are wrong?
He’s vacillating to protect his mother. While honorable, she’s NOT God. The Word is clear! God used Women as “messengers”, only Men were sent out to Preach. As a so-called Pastor himself, he should know this it’s elementary! I said what I said!!!!! That’s the issue today, everyone justifying their blatant disrespect to/towards God. Study the first 2 Commandments! They’re crystal clear!
Read the context as to why the women were told to be quiet in the church. From JFB study bible: "1 Timothy 2:12 (FSB): This interpretation, based partially on a particular reading of the Greek syntax and combination of specific verbs, suggests that Paul prohibits women from teaching men because it inverted the accepted authority structure in Graeco-Roman society. Either way, Paul’s main concern was the church’s ability to minister effectively without appearing to disregard cultural traditions, which would alienate the general population. 1 Timothy 2:12 (FSB): At the same time, it is possible that the intent of Paul’s prohibition is to prevent women from perpetuating false teaching within the church. One of Paul’s main points of emphasis in the letter is the need for true doctrine to combat false teaching (e.g., 1:3; 2:7; 4:11-16; compare 1:3; 6:3). In this case, Paul may have issued this command because some of the women in the church had been led astray by the false teachers." This may be why: "and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." 1 Timothy 2:14 ESV
To everyone bashing this man in the comments, PRAY FOR HIM! Stop acting like y’all never struggled with a passage in the Bible that was “obvious”. It’s his MOM, the person who birthed him so his answer makes sense. Stop being so quick to tear someone down. It’s hard to get on a large platform and be vulnerable like that especially regarding the word of God. I’m sure if I pried in to some of you alls lives, there are things in the Bible you don’t follow either, but God still has grace on you.
It says no leading the men.. you can preaching to women and children!! The anointing is for women! SHE COULD BE WAYYYYY MORE EFFECTIVE teaching women to love their husband's and love their children!! IT IS PRIDE SIMPLE...
I agree!! Especially with these Feminist movements who attack God's order of marriage taking the men out of marriage. Those all goes back BEFORE the Fall and AFTER the fall. Read whats happen in the beginning and then watch how Paul goes back to Genesis. Read 1 Timothy 2:13 its clear bro!
“I maybe I don’t know the scriptures as well as you do but I can tell when God’s anointing is on somebody” Perhaps you should freshen up on those scriptures because God does not contradict his word. Plenty of churches in the America mistaken things as God’s anointing... churches are filled with people babbling and rolling on the floor like they are drunk, convinced it’s God’s anointing.
You mean the scriptures that speak about a woman who was a Deacon. A woman who was one of the Judges if Israel, a woman who was a Prophet in the OT. A woman of means who started a church in the NT? You mean _those_ scriptures.
@@missnurseeri hi, I’m so in the middle and confused about it this whole thing, I personally even know a woman pastor, I don’t know what to believe, can you explain what did the verse mean when it said women cannot speak in the church, any questions ask their husband at home?
@@Godisgood137 Hi there! I found myself in a similar boat pretty recently. Mike Winger has a very in-depth series dedicated to what Scripture says about women in ministry. It’s a great resource if your are looking to get some more information.
Our "perception" of anointing is not a substitute for what God has already spoken. Our thoughts are not higher than His thoughts or our ways above His ways. There were several disciples in Jesus' core group and not one female was named. The current culture does not want to accept that God makes distinctions between male and female. We see where that gets us.
As many male ministers that are screwing up. How dare they be offended by women who are called. I’d rather sit under a woman of God who’s passionate about order, than an egotistical man who’s more concerned about his personal interests.
I don’t believe in women being a pastor or preacher in a church. But, I also think that the Sunday school teachers bringing up the children are just as important. It takes the whole church to function properly, not just a pastor.
Some of these comments sounds like something a pharisees would say. The word said... They spoke with great conviction as well. God gave us the holy spirit. He is yet speaking. The question is are we listening or just arguing doctrine.
This is a good channel and has great wisdom. But there are certain things that I think require a bit more experience to form a more concrete answer. We know he is not afraid to be controversial so its not that he is being timid about this, its just that he doesnt have a good case for nor against.
If we are going to be honest, every single human is biased and that will never change because of our personal experiences but it's important to recognize they're there which he did do
That's right because that scripture that they use doesn't mean that. God can use whoever he wants. Ur right. If ur not sure leave it alone. The Bible tells us to avoid foolish and unlearned questions. People will argue the Bible. Nope not doing it . I like how u approach that.
Doesn’t matter if you are clear, His word is clear.
No it’s not. Not for that place in time.
ur placing God in a box, don’t try to limit his power or what he can do, at the end of the day the mission has always been to save souls
My sentiments exactly. And that whole don’t but God in a box is such an odd statement. How about don’t take God’s word out of context
1 Timothy 2:12: "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." This directly referenced female pastors/preachers. Seems pretty clear to me. Unless your don't agree with the bible.
1 Timothy that is not God or Jesus that said those words that was Paul. That was how he felt about it and that was the custom of that time. But Paul got his teaching from a woman named Eunice.
You can’t pick and choose what you want to believe
Amen
But, he's not... he never said he was. He said he wasn't well versed in the scripture and that he was confused and struggling with it. We're allowed to struggle. People shouldn't be shamed for that. That's what pushed many friends of mine away from the Church.
@@audreybeauchamp812 ya you can struggle but you can't give into sin and accept it. And you can't excuse something just cause your unsure, because the scripture is very sure
was nowngonna say that
God is not the author of confusion. And Tim Ross is just refusing to believe that every word in the Bible is the true word of God, plain and simple.
Can’t recommend Pastor Mike Winger’s YT video series on Women in Church Leadership enough.
He goes into depth and detail on arguments from the Complementarian and Egalitarian sides.
For anyone who knows they don’t know the scriptures well enough on this issue, it is a great resource.
Definitely will use this comment. Thanks 🙏🏼
Anybody going against God's word is a false phohet.
This comments section is a thing that inspires prayer….I mean sheesh you guys. Did you even hear this? It’s a transparent and humble space of ‘hey I struggle with this so I don’t push my thoughts or opinions or others because I know the real truth is scripture which I am not sure of/struggle with’…I guess no one else has spaces like that?! If you say you don’t then cover back up because you’r pride is showing
Thank you for this comment, as I was thinking the EXACT SAME THING! He said " Maybe you know the scripture on this better than I do" and he clearly indicated that he wasn't convicted, if you will, to the notion that women shouldn't be pastors because he wasn't well versed in that belief. So, yes, lets pray, together, for the people in the comments section... that they show a little more grace and humility and allow the correction to come from the Holy Spirit.
Ikr!!!!!
Yea and I bet you if you pried into their life, they’re not staying true to all of the Bible either. It’s easy to tear someone down who has a platform. He’s trying to spread the gospel. He’s not perfect, none of us are. We are to pray for the Holy Spirit to give him revelation on this subject. Plus, he can’t just out his MOM! So it makes sense as to why he’s confused.
No, most of us just repeat what we've heard and hide it when we're unsure.
There should be no struggle where the Word is clear. The struggle exists in some cases because we're not surrendered wholly to God's will in His Word. Perhaps knowledge has puffed up past humble obedience.
Oh man this sucks. For whatever reason youtube has been pushing your videos on me HARD. Which seemed weird for what seems to be an almost brand new channel. I like most of the shorts I've seen and I listened to a full episode the other day at work and liked it because you had mostly good teaching when you were teaching and I appreciated your hardline Biblical stance of premarital sex and homosexuality.
But I can't ride with this man. I hear what you're saying, and I've seen God use women too, in fact it seems God uses sinners and flawed people all the time... because that's what we all are. Why would it surprise you that God could work through someone who was disobeying His commands? That's what He does every time He works through any of us.
Just because a sinner was following God in some ways, doing His holy work in some ways, why would you assume EVERYTHING they do must then be holy. The scripture is SO CLEAR.
And brother I don't buy this whole "you may know scripture, but I know when I see the anointing of God on sombody" stuff. That's putting your own feelings over God's Word man. From everything else I've seen of you, I would expect you to have more wisdom in this area. Maybe your love for your mother has clouded your sight?
I can agree to disagree on a lot of things with my fellow believers, but some of this modern stuff is just so far from Biblical that I just can't bring myself to hear teaching from someone who believes it, even if some of their other teaching is solid.
Much love and blessings to you my friend. I'll be praying for you.
Very well said
Hey John, I hear what you’re saying. I’m undecided about this issue, but I recognize high and mighty, prideful attitudes. You could have just said you respectfully disagree and moved on.
Couldnt have said it better myself.
@@DelicueMusic Yes I could have. In situations like this I more often than not just say nothing and stop watching. But if I'm going to bother to say I disagree with someone's stance, they deserve for me to put some thought and explanation into why I disagree. It is absolutely the right thing to do to correct another Christian when they are wrong, that's how we sharpen each other like iron. Oftentimes it's not even worth the time to talk to someone if they're willing to put their own feelings or wants above scripture, and oftentimes I just don't feel like taking the time to explain myself, but in this case I felt called to actually take the time and God will use that for His purpouse whatever it is.
By the way, calm down, please stop yelling, your tone is so mean! You also seem really proud in the way you exclaim your infallible ability to detect tone through text. Or did I mistake your tone? Sorry it's hard for us common folk to tell people's tone through text.
No seriously though.. did you read what I said? I finished it with love and blessings and saying I would pray for him, I started the whole thing with a paragraph of why I liked his content, thats a virtual sandwhich of brotherly love. How could I be nicer? Or does my opinion in itself offend you? Sorry I just don't get it.
My exhaustion about this topic would be understandable if you could put yourself in my shoes. Let me try to explain myself better so maybe you can. Many issues Christians disagree on I can understand, like say the rapture timing. That takes serious study to understand, because nowhere in scripture does it just say "the rapture happens right after this and before this", and although I strongly believe in a pre-wrath view, I can debate it in good faith and not become angry with people who disagree with me. But on topics like women preaching it's just so cut and dry. The only reason it's even a discussion is because of modern values and people putting their feelings above scripture. They don't like what the word of God plainly says but they want to be Christians so they twist the Word to fit their modern sensibilities. It becomes frustrating over time and although I still love them, and will still take the time to try to lovingly correct them, I'm not going to beat around the bush and act like their view has any legitimacy.
he literally said im not clear on this issue and i don't speak on it with as much conviction as i do on things i'm clear on.
and your response is an essay disagreeing with his, uh, non-clarity? i don't understand. to me this is why ppl can't be honest in church. this fundamentalist or haughty push to know / be clear on everything or else your doctrine is off, is worrisome.
i don't believe in female pastors and his uncertainty does not bother me.
That’s a political answer!! Answer the question man!!
What a fanciful dancer he is...
His answer is that he is ok with it. Thought that was clear?
He clearly said he doesn't know,bor not sure. Give him grace 🙏❤️
Even MORE RESPECT that he was not only man enough but faithful enough to admit, I’m not that clear on that topic. That’s better than picking a side and still being unclear. That’s how religious battles get started. I enjoy Tim so much and Have learned a lot listening to him. It’s the realness for me.
"We can't rewrite the constitution on your feelings"
Your own words
That's the hypocrisy of America. And christian life is synonymous American life. I'm not a religious person but if you need faith in your life maybe you should switch to another religion. Idk I be hearing Islam make a lot more sense than Christianity but idk it probably has a lot of the same flaws
@@HashiramaSells No my friend. The bible is clear. The hypocrisy is coming from the guy in the video. He is the one who is confused. Some make their own story up. Remember. ISIS and the Taliban read the Koran just like other Muslims yet they are not all the same. I am a Christian and don't claim to be overly knowledgeable on Islam but I can see a complete difference in ideology in different factions of those who are of that religion.
@@slg4260 don't forget the KKK used the bible to justify their ends too. It goes both ways as is all things in life. Light is a spectrum and all things come to light....
Yes. But there are still women who pastor churches so he uses them. What's the outcome on the lives of people who are led by women pastors?
@@MsJoyce31202 I don't know. With that said I haven't found the what if scripture either.🤷🏾♂️
Anna was prophetesses who served at the temple where she fasted and prayed day and night and the word says she prophesied to everybody
In my experience, people who say they cannot “speak on this matter” or find some diplomatic response to it, (specifically concerning this issue. It was homosexuality before this) are just waffling around what they already know in their heart to be true but don’t have the courage to say it. I’ve been there. Bro. Tim knows what the scripture says but he doesn’t want to offend, alienate women, maybe his mother, with speaking the Truth plainly. My husband and I have met so much hostility from church people in this issue. It breaks my heart.
Lord Jesus Christ said if you didnt hate your own mother or your father or your brother or your sister, then you cannot be His disciple. In other words, submitting to God is more important than being liked by your own family, even if they see it as you hating them.
@@SlayingSin Jesus Christ didn't sqid to hate your father mother siblings or your neighbor, but he said to leave them to follow Jesus Christ. Also whoever comes in Jesus Name becomes his disciples and follower, they are his mother, brother and sisters. We should do the same. If our own parents are against the Lord or his word in the bible we should just leave them to follow Jesus wholeheartedly. But if they also support us and become followers themselves then you can count them as your own in Christ
The fact that the people in the comments NEVER doubted or actually looked into the context of those passages is scary. That was specifically to the women in that church because they were very disruptive. There was a woman judge in the book of judges for crying out loud 😂 and she was one of the most just ones.
She was a jude ony because the man that God called didn't want to do his duty as he was called. So in other words a woman being called to lead is out of men not stepping up. But if men are there and are there to step up...
The fact that you are only talking about one situation where the women were disruptive And ignoring the fact that the Bible says HE must lead his household well to be an overseer of the church. Who leads the household?? Eph. 5:22-24. Please read in context. Deborah was a judge, but we did not have the New Testament Covenant and governance. The Bible is clear. One more thing,, scripture can not be interpreted by our experience. His experience was he was saved in a female ran church. So what. People get saved in all kinds of places that are far removed from church.
@@inphantri Why didn’t God call another man instead to do the job then? Surely there was someone He could’ve used. God looks at the heart not the outward appearance how we do. We can’t just put God in a box because the Holy Spirit does what He will He said He’d pour his Spirit out on all men including women. Peter thought God wouldn’t use the gentiles if I’m not mistaken and he thought they were unclean but God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t care if it’s a Jew or gentile He’s using. Preaching and pastoring are two different things though. In the word He encouraged the woman at the well to go and tell people about Him which is spreading the good news. Also that scripture that said women shouldn’t teach was referring to old times where women would try to explain what was going on in the synongage during service which was a distraction. All I know is God doesn’t need man’s ok or permission to do what He will. He’s The kind of God that’s always doing a new thing and said He’d pour His Spirit on everyone. Just like Peter was wrong about thinking gentiles were unclean we can also be wrong.
I heard that having her as a judge was actually a punishment? I’m in the middle on this I don’t know what to believe
The FACT that people in the comments didn’t look into context? There is another fact you are looking over.
1Tim 2:
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Verse 13 takes this all the way back to the garden bypassing any cultural, or modern day opinions on the matter of women Pastors or teachers. Women can be in leadership, but to what capacity?So please don’t act like you’ve studied with this passage staring at you in the face. You can’t bring up things that happened in the Old Testament unless you are willing to live by all of it. We are under the rules that God set for the church.
What one understands he is saying is, "How could G-d bring him to Jesus in a church lead by a woman, how did that happen?" Is what he's asking. He is stating, the grace of God was on his mother's church. He's sure God used a woman as a leader by his grace.
He's open to learn as we all should be, and all we can do is pray for each other for God to guide us.
Also, the body is weakened by us going against each other. Lets admonish and encourage each other. Lets share the scriptures with grace and humility.
Bear in mind Deborah, Esther were used as leaders.# Woman used mightily by G-d's wisdom.
Still... it is stated plainly they should not be in the role of pastors
God uses evil or your selfishness for His good.
People act like they’ve never been confused about a passage in the Bible…just pray that God brings revelation to the man. I’ve heard theologians break down the Bible in a way that’ll make you wonder if you even read it right side up. Context is important, the era, rules/restrictions, all of that. Don’t just read the Bible at face value. STUDY the Bible.
Yes he used, Esther submitted herself to her uncle, which had rule over her.
@@LateNightRewrites where does it actually say women should not be pastors in the Bible. There are so many men doing such an excellent job at it. Silly argument just like all women being quiet. How many churches would cease to function if women sat down. God is not that petty, people are.
Obedience is better than sacrifice. The Word is to be obeyed not compromised no matter who is anointed. Let GOD be true and every man a liar…
whew, yes sis. Word
Factsss
I don't agree
@@KingIam45 If you wanna disagree with it, that's your prerogative, you just wanna make sure you're aware that this isn't some random person on the internet's opinion, it's God's word.
Obedience is better than sacrifice:
1 Samuel 15:22
Do not compromise on the word of God:
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Matthew 6:24
James 4:4
Proverbs 25:26
Ezekiel 33:13
(and many more)
Let God be true:
Romans 4:3
@Raszsa I hear you but the disconnect is that a gift doesn't make for an office. There's plenty of scenarios in which women with a gift can teach all day long and more power to them. I've been greatly edified by my women mentors and teachers and I have every intent to pass on what I know to other women by the grace of God. But the offices of elder and pastor are biblically reserved for married men with children. The church is a bigger version of the nuclear family, with different roles and responsibilities.
And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. - 1 Timothy 2... i think this is the biggest reason why paul says its a no go?
I think there’s a difference between a woman simply preaching, leading or organizing within the church AND being a lead pastor for instance. I believe it is a man’s roll to lead the church, but women have so many critical roles within the church. There’s just certain roles for men and women and elders and children.
Me too! I think that if in the most basic unit, the marriage, a man leads, why would it be different for the church? I’m a women and I definitely identify with the authority and leadership of godly men. If God wants to work through a women, he sure can but I feel personally a little uncomfortable with women pastors outside of womens groups or conventions.
When there's a lack of godly man leading then someone has to step up . Us man including myself gotta start raising up. I know for myself I had trouble to know what a man should be in God's eyes and dealing with mental health I've spent so much time healing but I believe there will be a rise of man leadership in the coming years
Ruth, Esther and Deborah are the 1st 3 powerful woman used in the Bible that I can think of... So, God will use any1 to do HIS will and reach the masses.
Can women bring men, people, to Christ? Yes they can. However, it is clearly stated in the Bible, God's Word, that women are not to be head of the household OR the Church.
These women weren't pastors or preachers. It doesn't mean God will not use women. But God will not give you a blessing that is for man.
The lesson here is that it takes a level of humility to not speak on something with authority that you don’t actually fully understand. Most people don’t fully understand certain things in scripture yet speak on it as if they have total understanding. He said he’s not clear on it & wrestles with it. Choosing not to speak on it as if his opinion or ideas on it are fact is something we can all learn from. Just because it’s clear to you, doesn’t make it clear for someone else & it also doesn’t make it 100% truth. #weseeinpart
I don’t mean this in any disrespectful or condemning way. I genuinely like pastor Tim Ross and his teachings from the pulpit.
This is an analogy, I’m not at all saying this is what God will do, but pastor Tim’s answer when he says something along the lines of “how could I have been saved if it wasn’t God’s anointing” reminded me of where the Bible says “did we not cast demons out in your name?” And God responds with “depart from me for I never knew you.” I think though things are not in order, God’s Grace still abounds. In fact there is a Bible verse that says “where sin is, grace abounds.” It is God’s will that all should be saved. Why wouldn’t He use anyone He wants to use to complete His purpose and plan.
There are a lot of corrupt and messed up churches, and you’d be hard-pressed to say not one person that attends there is saved.
Again, I am not judging or condemning. I am not the judge, but I do know the word of God says women shouldn’t lead in the church. Whether that is a sin or not, I don’t know. I’d have to research further.
No it doesn’t. It’s not clear for that space and time to now.
@@tylerriddle7735 ????
Don’t be afraid to admit if your mother was wrong. I mean it isn’t a riddle or parable. It is specifically clear. If the use of he and his pronouns aren’t specific then the husband of one wife should be. Trust that God is in need of nothing or no one to accomplish His will. Women work themselves into that position just because they feel strongly about it and think they are needed there. The thing is instead of trusting that God has that covered mankind often goes against Him and try to justify it with how much success they feel they’ve had with it. Just because people can be drawn and deceived it doesn’t mean the person that succeeded in doing so is anointed or is working under grace. Remember heretical pastors also think they’re anointed. I pray the truth is revealed to you from the Father on this and any other subjects you aren’t clear on because you’re becoming responsible for a lot of souls.
I will co-sign what you said bro! This is becoming a norm (Women Preachers). I believe that it goes back to learning about before the FALL and after the FALL in Genesis Chapter 2 & 3. Also, I believe learning about Hermeneutics will help the reader understand how to read the bible and how not to read the Bible.
his pride 😭
Mike winger has a really in depth teaching about this subject… it’s a series and really long “BUT” if you want to get some better clarity on this, check it out… it’s really good and done in good spirit
Link to video?
Yeah, so this is where we have to study and do some research because remember: Deborah was a judge in the OT; that means 1Tim. 2 in the NT more than likely was for those women at that time who were out of line. The end of this chapter states that she can be saved by being faithful, charity, holiness, and sobriety. The word ‘saved ‘ probably means more that we may think. Also, we are in the current state
God bless you :) You are spot on 💯
Paul gave that opinion because some women were misbehaving in the early church and ge admonished them with that message. Deborah ruled for 40 years, Eunice taught this same Paul and Priscilla also helped Paul in his early days as a young convert, but because of the lack of understanding among Christians, we are quick to twist the Bible just for our own selfish interest and narrative. God help us all
You asked, "how did that happen"? Well, if it's against the will of God, it happened by the will of humans or satan.
With all due respect bro, it sounds like you're "not that clear", because it's your mom. We must be cautious of turning a blind eye to the word because it's our mom (or others WE respect and honor). That's why Jesus/YAHSHUA said we must be willing to leave mother and father and take up our cross and FOLLOW HIM. Peace, blessings and love brother.
@Nina the Pit bully babe Where did "Jesus" come from? Look it up. When the Son of God walked this earth, HE was not called Jesus. Do you think HE was?
@Nina the Pit bully babe Yashua is Jesus'real name. The disciples called him Yashua (meaning Yah, short for YAHWEH, saves), but the Greeks who translated his name called him Jesus (which means deliverer). If you ask me, "Yah (God) saves" is better than just "deliverer".
@@asaintnamedslickback
Matthew 1:21
It's clear sir. With all due respect it's crystal clear! Find the conviction and don't deny the word of God to court the favor of any category. No matter what grace is on someone. We can't re-write the constition remember?
And who made you and your kind God's PA or thought police to know what He's thinking or what His decisions are? If He chooses to use a woman to spread His message, who are we to question it?? Just because Paul gave his opinion on women keeping quiet in the church doesnt mean God said so. Do you even know why Paul adviced that?
@@jakesimp3583 Are you claiming what is written is false? Women aren't to lead men. Not in the house, nor in the church. Jezebel was the best example of this.
You speak Truth my Brother
You don't know the scripture just like this man, so how do you know what truth is?
@@narrowroad6594 no I don't know the scripture completely but I know God can speak through anyone even a horse on a mission
@@narrowroad6594She sure knows what she is saying.....one that verse is not to the body of Christ but to a particular people with cultural difference, it's you guys that don't get it.
Was the bible written in English? How are you sure it's not translator error, because same Paul told another church in Christ there is neither male or female...? Galatians 3:28 There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
What do you have to say about this?
This is a different church, the Galatians church.
where are other scriptures that supports women not being in Leadership?
What about this Paul commending Phoebe? She was a deacon....Romans 16:1 NOW I introduce and commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cenchreae,
What do you have to say about this?
A leader! You see why you don't take one scripture and make a rule God has not make......it takes humility for the spirit to teach you.
In case you don't know....The word Pastor mean Koinmen in Greek "Shepherd" and throughout the bible women have been shepherd
Why will God send Heidi Baker to Mozambique a Muslim nation to win them for him.....? where are all the men?
what about Kathryn Kulhman?
Maria woodworth Etter?
Mother Theresa?
Joyce Meyer and others?
You think you know God?
Think again.
I'm a woman and I can clearly say and believe that a woman can lead a ministry in a church, but should not lead or be a pastor of a church. There are women out there that have amazing testimonies and are able to be a light to direct others to Christ, but women are too be submissive to a man, thus not the leader of the biggest household, a church.
Now with that being said, a woman should submit to the leadership of a man, if and only if, that man is being led by God.
The word submissive has garnered a negative connotation, but it shouldn't have.
If my husband is led and convicted by the Holy Spirit, I trust that he will lead me according to God's Will. My husband is my earthy protector and provider that God has blessed me with. Ladies and gentlemen, wait on the Lord while being obedient and the right mate will be provided. Then, ladies you will not have a problem with the word submission.
Feeling vs obedience
Are we talking about 1 Timothy 2:12, “I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.”?
Because back in Paul’s day when the church was first starting out, they still largely practiced Jewish traditions. It was up to the women to teach their daughters and men to educate their sons on religious matters, so I think this was to respect the Jewish traditions on religious education. Also note in the verse it says “I do not permit” it’s not a direct instruction to the church to follow this law.
Also I doubt women not being allowed to teach falls into the moral laws of the Old Testament, but instead probably in the ceremonial laws which was fulfilled by Jesus in his death and resurrection.
That’s just my take on it but if anyone has anything else to add please do because Idk if I have all the information on this topic.
Check out 1 Corinthians 14:36-37.....which is talking about verses 34-35.... What are your thoughts?
Bro…what are you talking about?
Is the Bible the words of god that he gave to us in his providence or not?
I'm talking about God's word. What did Jesus mean when he said 1 Corinthians 14:35?
"If this wasn't GODs will how did that happen?" May be the craziest dumbest excuse I've heard for sin ever
Wait coming to God is sin now? Because that's what he said. How did that happen as in him hear the word and turn to the Lord at a church lead by a woman.
@@incorruptibleword4513 He’s implying that if it wasn’t God’s will then his mother wouldn’t have been leading a congregation. So he’s using the fact that God didn’t keep that from happening as an excuse to turn a blind eye to it. God doesn’t allow sin but it’s done anyway. That doesn’t mean it’s His will for you to sin. And if you’re operating in sin then you’re actually moving away from God. Physical success isn’t an accurate measure for any kind of blessings because sinful people can have just as much success building a false church.
@@Kingdom_Heart not talking about what he was implying no need for you to speculate. That's your opinion and that wouldn't make sense anyway everyone knows God isn't stopping everyones sin with preemptive strikes so that's a bit of a silly conclusion. I'm talking about what he actually was saying. That he was saved in a church wherein a woman lead so here he was saying that was God's will for him to come to accept Christ. Is accepting christ not God's will if it was because of a womans congregation? God does indeed use the wicked for the benefit of the faithful after all. I've experienced it too many times. God's will isn't as straightforward as one might think. He has his reasons we don't see sometimes.
@@incorruptibleword4513 while he did say that. The question that was asked wasn't answered directly so the response was inferred by the op posting
@@incorruptibleword4513 Ah first, nothing I stated was opinion. Let's explain.
If the God of the bible had called his mother to pastor a church that'd be a different story. But since we know that God is faithful to who He Himself is (2 Timothy 2:13) we know that He didn't ordain for this. (Numbers 23:19 states He won't lie or change his mind)
Now it gets interesting because if his mother was the one who taught him then you can question whether or not he is genuinely saved. Testing the spirits (1 John 4:1-6) isn't talking about the conversation you have in your head with "the holy spirit" and trying to differentiate between whether it's God or your flesh. Because according to the examples of God talking to people in the bible if you have to question it then that's already a red flag. The voice of God was never a silent thought but as clear as a person speaking to you. John is literally talking about the spirits of the false prophets. As we know prophets in the bible always speak for God. Part of the testing of the spirits would be to test the doctrines by which they speak to others.
That being said Tim Ross' doctrine of who God is and what He allows is pretty shaky because 99% of God isn't God. If Tim Ross is claiming to be saved and that this came about through his mother being a pastor over a congregation, unless his mother was actually teaching that she wasn't supposed to be in the pull pit every time she preached then his mother was teaching of a god that isn't of the bible. Which is the only One who can save you. Meaning his salvation can now be questioned.
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then the majority of Jesus’ disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching men (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, the pastor of the church in Ephesus). Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, and women were the authorities in that branch of paganism-therefore, the theory goes, Paul was only reacting against the female-led customs of the Ephesian idolaters, and the church needed to be different. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention the standard practice of Artemis worshipers as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.
A third objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words for “woman” and “man” in 1 Timothy 2 could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words is broader than that. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not just husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a narrowing to husbands and wives in verses 11-14.
Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people-the church, the body of Christ-and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.
Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. In verse 18, Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, suggesting to some that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. (The detail of whose name comes first is probably inconsequential, because in verses 2 and 26 the order is reversed from that of verse 18.) Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscillapastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9).
The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13-14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and in the church.
The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.
Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).
God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership-in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and his gifting of them.
Perfect response. Thank you for taking the time to write this out. Well written and backed by scripture. Praise God for your commitment to staying strong and committed to biblical truth. I Just said a quick prayer for you my friend!
1 Timothy was written by sexist men
This. Women are called to preach, but not over men. There are reasons as you have explained. The story in Judges 4 is also testament to this:
Judges 4:9
9 “Certainly I will go with you,” said Deborah. “But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the Lord will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman.”
Deborah was a prophetess, but she wasn't to be teach over a man so a woman had to defeat the enemy.
Women can teach other women and children but not men.
I read this and always asked pastors and teachers and they told me it was written in context to how Paul felt and the current social structures of that time. And when I examined it it’s clear Paul says “I do not permit” that is not God’s law that is Paul interpretation/feelings. There are clear scriptures where Paul shows this is how HE feels based on his disposition. Should we deeply consider it yes, but is it now something wrong or a sin…I don’t think so. But what is your interpretation of it being Paul’s on personal conviction?
I just read the website page you copied this from lol but I couldnt agree more!!
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy:2:12
Context…?
But 'I'. Not the 'Lord Jesus', or 'God'. Paul's own opinion because of the division in the early church back then.
When we read the Bible, let's ask for wisdom and not just read like toddlers staring at a colored painting book.
@@jakesimp3583 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians:14:34
@@MarkJohnson-uu8oy still it's the "law" made by the Jews. If it was a law that came from God, Israel wouldn't have had Deborah leading them. Mariam wouldn't have worked with Moses before she got struck by God for what she did.
@@jakesimp3583 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
Isaiah:3:12
Your case is case of “in spite of, not because of”.
Acts 2:17, and Joel 2:28, says it all right there.
I am one who wholeheartedly appreciates transparency Fam. This brother said he’s not clear. That’s huge, because so many in the pulpit pretend when they defecate, it smells of perfume. He already said exactly what half of you recapped in your comments. He never stated a definite true or false, he said he’s unclear. This means this is something the Holy Spirit has to work on him to understand. Thus, unlike your perfect bishop apostle or sweet daddy- he is a work in progress. SMH. He doesn’t profess to be perfect. The smartest thing we all should do is pray for him to find understanding. ❤ #itsthejudgingforme
Hmmm weak answer bro . This is a very easily passage to interpret…and yes when God says no it means no . And as far as an Anointing women can use that gift for woman to lead other women , or many other ways . But it’s clear on the topic
No it’s not for that place in time…
@@tylerriddle7735 nah… God DOESN’T CHANGE. That’s why we need Jesus cause we constantly flip
@@tylerriddle7735 i'm sorry your message is unclear.
A woman can teach as long as her head is covered and she's not in the pulpit or over a congregation.
I.e. evangelize to others, teach other women, teach children.
@@preparedsetapart9475 😂😂😂 covered her head. Good one
My Grandpa was held down by my Grandmother and he was a preacher. God loves us all...Especially a Godly woman
Good on you for being honest about something when you're not sure
Y'all said, "God will make a rock cry out in praise. But the womens better hush." 😬
Tim Ross, I completely understand what you are saying, and I was in a church with a female pastor. So I get it. However, the scriptures are clear about women pastors, and we can't get away from it. They can be gifted in preaching, but they're not called to preach in the church over men.
So how did God have the authority to place Deborah
as a Judge over Israel? She was a Judge, therefore
far far above a pastor.
@878 4436 great question! Deborah was a judge, according to judges 4 and 5. Deborah was called by God to a judge for Isreal. God has all the authority to place anyone He wants into any role He desires. Having said that, the Holy Spirit (God) who inspired the New Testament through the writers, which includes the Apostle Paul. Your assumption about judges being far higher than a pastor is incorrect because judges have nothing to do with the Church. Now, Paul writes," But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint."
1 Timothy 2:12-15
He also says, "It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,"
1 Timothy 3:1-2
If we believe that Paul is under the influence of the Holy Sipirt while writing these scriptures. Then we should be in agreement with them because they are coming from God Himself. Peter even agrees with Paul's writings as scripture in 2 peter 3:15-16. Thank you for the question, and I pray this helps you. I love all our women in Christ and have much respect for them. However, this is God's Word, and who is the Word of God? Jesus Christ.
@@seanlyons11 You don't understand what a Judge was.
I wrote a short essay should you have interest.
This, by you, indicates you don't understand what
a Judge was:
Your assumption about judges being far higher than a pastor is incorrect because judges have nothing to do with the Church.
God ruled Israel through the Judges during that time frame.
Then He was rejected as King. From then on men ruled as
kings, starting with Saul.
The story of Deborah was taught for about 1000 years before
Paul came. Complementarianism is false because it can't explain
her.
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Complementarianism
That false and confusing teaching, that states Christian women are less than
Christian men in a spiritual way, but they really aren't, but they really are.
The complementarian teaching prohibits a Christian woman from holding
certain positions in a church. They can't be elders neither can
they teach men. So why is that?
The false teaching makes it clear that the priesthood of the New Covenant
is tiered. There is a hierarchy. Those that are higher, the men, can be in
leadership positions, like elder. They can teach other men. Those in the
lower tier can not be in leadership positions, like elder. They are prohibited
from teaching men, because the men are in the higher tier. It wouldn't make
any sense.
A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower,
at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines
their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier.
A Christian that is in the lower tier (woman) is not allowed to
complain of the tier she was placed in. That would be sin, because
God made her a woman by His choice. She should accept and also
embrace her position in the lower tier.
A church, is either a group of Christian men or a group of Christian men and women.
A church can never be a group of Christian women, because it would be
a group of only those in the lower tier. It would have no elders.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
Since the teaching states that women are spiritually inferior to men, but
they aren't, but they are, when did that start?
But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer.
-excerpt 1 Timothy 2
It started with the first woman. She was deceived, and sinned because of it. So we
have a teaching that accepts that men and women are fallen beings. Both genders
are sinful by nature. However women are different. They are lacking the ability
that men have to judge if some situation, some concept or teaching is sinful. This
inability was passed down from Eve to all women. It remains to this day. A woman
in our time was 'lacking' from birth, even from the womb.
So what can be done? Nothing according to Complementarianism. That is because
an anointing of that powerful masculine being called the Holy Spirit, is just not
sufficient. Even the Holy Spirit can not elevate even one Christian woman to the
spiritually superior level of a Christian man.
I don't know but the Same Spirit that's in me is in women. I seen women speak in tongues. I've seen women get filled with the Holy ghost. I've seen Women cast out demons.
So that means that they aren't to be in line with authority as th word says. God says that he would pour out his spirit on all flesh...doesn't mean that the woman is the head now. Who is still the head.of the house when both work and bring in money? Does the fact that she now works and brings in money mean that she is now the head of the house? Just asking bro...selah
1 Timothy 2:12: "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent."
This doesn't mean women can't be servants of God. But it does mean that they aren't permitted to be pastors/preachers. It seems crystal clear to me. Whether I agree or disagree makes no difference as a believer. And I can disobey (and do) and not see immediate retribution for not following what's written.
But that wasn’t God. Those are Paul words for how he said the church should be structured during that time.
@@cass1092 Paul was inspired by God. So it is from God. At what point should we start ignoring biblical principles because "That's how it was done at the time." There are plenty of examples of women having important roles. Deborah, Huldah, and Noadia where all female prophets. Now if not a single man in the church will step up and lead or you just cant find a male preacher then at that point I see no other choice.
My mom is a pastor. This topic has always been so difficult for me because if women can’t be pastors, then what is my mom doing? I believe that she’s serving God. But we do need to discern what the Scriptures say, no matter our opinions. Even if it hurts.
I appreciate the honesty in saying "I'm not clear on that." And yes, God anoints men and women the same.
But there's a big difference between a gift and an office. Everywhere in the Bible where it talks about elders and deacons, they're men. Doesn't mean these leaders can't acknowledge the special anointing and authority a woman in their church may have in the Spirit, give her opportunity to prophesy, all that good stuff. Doesn't mean she can't use that gifting to raise up the other women in the church. But the Scripture really isn't unclear about how God wants the church structured.
Church leadership comes with immense authority, and God thinks of authority in terms of responsibility. Teachers are going to receive a harsher judgement than others for a reason. We don't send women to the front lines in a war for a reason. God doesn't want us to have to be the first to get hit in the face when shtf. I'm grateful for his protection.
Personally it just makes me sad how many people seem to think that, unless you have a title in the church, you're not important in the kingdom. Unless you're in the spotlight, your gifts are going to waste. What you do in the secret place, 101 or in your small group doesn't matter. Really? I know my pastoral gifting. I don't need any man to sign off on that for me to walk in it. The good pleasure of my Father and seeing people in my radius of influence changed by the Gospel is enough for me. God's division of labor doesn't offend me. I'm free from the pressure of having to "be somebody" in the church.
Just some thoughts
He’s such an awesome person., every time that EyE watch him, EyE become more hopeful for the next generation. God bless.
God can open a persons eyes & bring them to Himself ANYWHERE...
In the midst of the most unimaginable situations.
You are for sure not clear.
Gods grace & anointing can be on someone & they can still refuse to die to themselves & live for & through Christ.
The word of God is VERY clear on this...
We don’t have to like it, or even understand it. His ways are FAR above ours...
I have been enjoying your content.
Remember that one can do incredible things in the name Jesus, and one day they could hear, I DID NOT KNOW YOU.💔
As a women myself, women are not supposed to be preachers or pastors. The Bible is SO CLEAR & the devil even uses Christian’s to cause other Christian’s to stumble. That’s why scripture says teachers/ preachers will be judged more severely for there teachings and how accurate it is, how close to scripture the teachings are. This is why discernment is a necessary spiritual gift. It We must be led by the Holy Spirit, not our own emotions and experiences. It’s GOD’S WILL, NOT MINE. It’s better to know God’s Word BEFORE PREACHING & TEACHING ON A SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM / IN A CHURCH.
One thing I see A LOT of is when these women are in the state of leadership they 100% of the time get prideful/boastfull/let emotions take control. Which is not good.
Even though things seem good for now they will always change into something bad even if you don't recognize it at first.
"For Adam was formed first then Eve and Adam wasn't deceived but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor"
2 Timothy...
People get saved in flawed churches all the time.. that’s the only type of church there is.
Wow.. underrated comment
Whew. This response…👏🏾
Amen my Brother 👏🏽
TALK TIM‼️‼️‼️
The word says so, your emotional about it because it’s close to home
God will use who he wants to make sure his will be done. I love u all here. Continue to wear that beautiful smile God created only for u.
There's no clause if man or woman should be a leader in any circumstance...
Both can lead at anytime depending on situations, circumstances , calling or purpose...
My mother and Granparents including my grandmother is why I'm still alive. And my Grandfather was a preacher. God uses everyone man or woman to do his Will. It's up to us to follow it
Men have a place and so do women…the problem is there are too many people that don’t know their place…
If you do not have clarity about anything. You should always remember what the word says God's Word!! and if he said it then that sealed it.🙏🙏 Amen
I'll take one woman pastor who's sold out to the Lord in full submission and has a clear anointing over 10 male pastors who have masters degrees and written books but have never cast out demons, and don't have any real power any day
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Understandable. God loves us. He pursues us. He can, will, and has used vessels in spite of their relation to Him. This is the danger in putting weight on the exploits He works through us or that we observe in others. It’s indisputable that, as Matthew 7 states, on judgement day, many will present the anointed work that was done through and in spite of them and yet they will not be recognized as His followers.
Paul was addressing an issue that was occuring during that time in the church.. but not that woman couldn't be leaders or preach look at Deborah in the book of judges the army wouldn't fight with out her on the front line
U can't deny fruit God will always bare witness to whom He's with
A difference between being a preacher and pastor 💡
I really love this brother💯😊
CONTEXT!!! IT WAS MEANT FOR MOTHERS WITH BABIES, women were disruptive bc they had no Sunday school or kids church. Who else watched the babies?!?!
I think it wasn't meant for women to be in that position but God's will WILL be done using whoever is willing.
The Bible speaks to ONE MAN who did not permit women to be leaders over men. But *GOD* used women in leadership in the OT and in the NT.
I feel it's like this. Women weren't allowed in the synagogues to pray therefore the could hold no leadership positions, but when they complained to Jesus about the men not praying he said go get the women. So then if the men won't do what God called them to do in leadership positions then God will get the women to do it. Just as God said it you don't praise me he will get the rocks to cry out in praise. Either men be on your Godly jobs and do what he called you to do or he will find a replacement for you.
There is a difference between natural ability and commissioning of the Holy Spitit
Who gives all abilities? 🤔
@@traceycolvin9828 its because of stuff like this that people that are eloquent are put in the pulpit rather than the anointed ones. Its about the call not the ability.
@@kenim again, I ask...who lends eloquence? And upon what basis do you place "the call?" What Bible passage says women are never called?
@@traceycolvin9828 For the leadership of the congregation 1 Timothy chapter 3 clearly uses he and his pronouns as well as specifically say he must be the husband of one wife. And able to manage his household which also alludes to the headship of the man. And the description of the man in this role also matches Titus 2:2. Women aren’t called for the shepherding of the flock unless they are teaching other women how to be wives and mothers (Titus 2:3-5). People always blur the line between what they think God is calling them to and the lust of their own desire to do what they think the kingdom of God needs. But God is never and will never need anyone to do anything and the second He does He wouldn’t be perfect. Even more so if the means by which “the call” is being done goes against what He had ordained.
IT HAPPENED BECAUSE YOUR MOM WAS IN REBELLION and whether you like it or not, The Truth is the Truth
The Lord gives the command;
The women who proclaim good news are a great army:
-excerpt Psalm 68
-For the music director. A Psalm of David. A Song.
@878 4436 My Bible says The Lord gave the word; great was the company of those who proclaimed it. It doesn't say anything about a woman.
@@freebird61 Translations on this differ
apparently.
The Lord gave the word;
great was the company of women who proclaimed it
-MEV
The Lord gives the command;
The women who proclaim good news are a great army
-NASB
Regardless, God settled the gender issue with Deborah.
God ruled Israel through Deborah (and the other Judges).
My essay on her can be posted.
@878 4436 I agree that women can spread the message, just not in the pulpit. I don't want to debate about the word. I just want to work out my salvation with fear and trembling and be found worthy to enter that Great City when Christ returns. Peace to you.
Our God is a God of order. There are plenty of people saved through preaching that is in error, doesn’t mean one is to stay and continue in that error once they read and learn what God has to say about those errors. Doesn’t mean women aren’t used greatly in the kingdom. You’ve used the words “spiritual ambition” just because you’re ambitious to do something for God doesn’t mean God specifically called you to do that.
Regardless of you being right or wrong, I appreciate all that you post on here and I’ve learned a lot from you. So for that thank you. 🙏🏼
1 Timothy 2 11-15, 1 Corinthians 14:34
You may not be sure bro but God The Father certainly is.
Here is the problem with that Scripture the 1 timothy verse was a quote that the church was using and says women are saved through childbearing. That is contradictory to being saved through faith, not by good works. So tell me what that means to be saved through childbearing?
1 Corinthians 14:26 talks about “Each one having a hymn, a revelation, a tongue, and an interpretation.” it doesn't exclude women from this. And if women are to remain in nonauthoritative figures of the church why were there female Judges and what about “Listen to the counsel of your wife” and the female leaders in the new testament appointed by Paul himself?
@@zoeyclarks7609 🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤
@@zoeyclarks7609 doesn’t matter how anyway you want to spin scripture to fit your feelings, GOD’s WORD is clear, women are not to have authority over men in the church, and you wonder why the church and even the world is so out of whack? Look around you, we are in the very end of the end of days, and this is one of the most tell tale signs. Some of the worst apostasies of today are coming out of ministries lead by women. Joyce Myers, Paula White, Beth Moore, etc…
P.S Deborah was a special case and not even a preacher or head of a church so that argument falls mute.
No judgement! I'm moved to believe it is VERY important for men to take responsibility to involve scripture in the daily lives of their families. Imagine if all men did this
God word is clear.
Just because you can do....That doesn't mean you have to do it. Obedience is a choice.
1 Timothy 2:12, Paul articulates a clear prohibition related to women in the local church. He says, ” I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” There is a distinction between the teaching and exercise of authority that should be acknowledged.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS YOUNG MAN!!! He let his “feelings” towards him moms faults get in the way of SCRIPTURE! That’s WHY HE IS NOT CLEAR!!! It’s HIM! Not SCRIPTURE!!!
If anyone has any doubt just read the story of Gideon in the book of Judges where there was a Judge named Deborah.
Deborah was a judge and prophetess, not a preacher.
@@tanyaking9989 She was JUDGE, which at that time made her the leader of the entire nation. She was also a Prophet, held the Office of Prophet.
God looked at everybody in the nation, and chose a woman.
It wasn't by first choice, it was only a result that the man that God called didn't take up the mantle and so she took it up. If you gonna use that then a women leading is showing that the men are weak willed. Judge led in small aspects. A women being leader of the church is in relation to the priest...no woman was a priest in that time.
The scripture is clear. We can try to go around it all we want.
My mom is also a minister I’m so tired of these preacher saying that women can’t lead that’s why we as a church can’t get anything accomplished we as the church need to come together and put god first and allow him to lead us
Straight up Amen 👏🏽❤🙏
People need to dig deeper on what Paul was saying.
It says in his word
The questions that need to be asked are:
Who was the audience? (Hint: Timothy)
Did Paul know intimately the struggles of the churches where Timothy was? (Hint: yes)
Who was Paul talking about? (Was it just the new Christian teachers of Ephesus who didn’t have experience and had many pagan traditions or all women? Hint: the subject and context matters)
Did Paul also speak about other women preachers in approval? (Hint: he did)
Did the Angel of the Lord himself tell a woman to share the news of the resurrection with the men? (Hint: yes He did)
Historical context matters. Ultimately, picking this apart ain’t going to help anybody if they don’t have a relationship with the Lord. Get there and ask Paul in heaven.
God chose a Woman to lead the Israelites as a Judge in the OT. God chose a woman to hold the office Prophet in the OT. Holy Spirit anointed a woman to be a Deacon in the NT. A singular man said that he, alone and all himself, does not allow woman lead over men.
Scripture also speaks against esteeming the traditions of men. But all of the Christian holidays, are traditions of men, and the ones that *GOD Himself* told us to follow until the End of Days, are largely ignored. The Early Church continued to participate in the Holy Days for the 1st 300-400 years, I believe, before they were abandoned to outside influences.
Why do we pick and choose when we want to believe and then call people "lost" when they are saying that maybe, just maybe, the traditions of men are wrong?
He also used an ass in th OT? Should we make 1 a pastor of a church?
Imagine if we applied this same rational for someone like Ravi.
He’s vacillating to protect his mother. While honorable, she’s NOT God. The Word is clear! God used Women as “messengers”, only Men were sent out to Preach. As a so-called Pastor himself, he should know this it’s elementary!
I said what I said!!!!!
That’s the issue today, everyone justifying their blatant disrespect to/towards God. Study the first 2 Commandments! They’re crystal clear!
Read the context as to why the women were told to be quiet in the church.
From JFB study bible: "1 Timothy 2:12 (FSB): This interpretation, based partially on a particular reading of the Greek syntax and combination of specific verbs, suggests that Paul prohibits women from teaching men because it inverted the accepted authority structure in Graeco-Roman society. Either way, Paul’s main concern was the church’s ability to minister effectively without appearing to disregard cultural traditions, which would alienate the general population.
1 Timothy 2:12 (FSB): At the same time, it is possible that the intent of Paul’s prohibition is to prevent women from perpetuating false teaching within the church. One of Paul’s main points of emphasis in the letter is the need for true doctrine to combat false teaching (e.g., 1:3; 2:7; 4:11-16; compare 1:3; 6:3). In this case, Paul may have issued this command because some of the women in the church had been led astray by the false teachers."
This may be why: "and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."
1 Timothy 2:14 ESV
Seems nothing disturbs the religious spirit like a woman in spiritual leadership!!!
To everyone bashing this man in the comments, PRAY FOR HIM! Stop acting like y’all never struggled with a passage in the Bible that was “obvious”. It’s his MOM, the person who birthed him so his answer makes sense. Stop being so quick to tear someone down. It’s hard to get on a large platform and be vulnerable like that especially regarding the word of God. I’m sure if I pried in to some of you alls lives, there are things in the Bible you don’t follow either, but God still has grace on you.
I grew up in a woman lead church myself. In adulthood I'd rather not be under a woman pastor based mostly on that experience.
AMEN
Amen
It says no leading the men.. you can preaching to women and children!! The anointing is for women! SHE COULD BE WAYYYYY MORE EFFECTIVE teaching women to love their husband's and love their children!! IT IS PRIDE SIMPLE...
I agree!! Especially with these Feminist movements who attack God's order of marriage taking the men out of marriage. Those all goes back BEFORE the Fall and AFTER the fall. Read whats happen in the beginning and then watch how Paul goes back to Genesis. Read 1 Timothy 2:13 its clear bro!
“I maybe I don’t know the scriptures as well as you do but I can tell when God’s anointing is on somebody”
Perhaps you should freshen up on those scriptures because God does not contradict his word. Plenty of churches in the America mistaken things as God’s anointing... churches are filled with people babbling and rolling on the floor like they are drunk, convinced it’s God’s anointing.
Man. 100%
You mean the scriptures that speak about a woman who was a Deacon. A woman who was one of the Judges if Israel, a woman who was a Prophet in the OT. A woman of means who started a church in the NT?
You mean _those_ scriptures.
@@missnurseeri hi, I’m so in the middle and confused about it this whole thing, I personally even know a woman pastor, I don’t know what to believe, can you explain what did the verse mean when it said women cannot speak in the church, any questions ask their husband at home?
@@missnurseeri anyway ...🙄 women should not be pastors
@@Godisgood137 Hi there! I found myself in a similar boat pretty recently. Mike Winger has a very in-depth series dedicated to what Scripture says about women in ministry. It’s a great resource if your are looking to get some more information.
Our "perception" of anointing is not a substitute for what God has already spoken. Our thoughts are not higher than His thoughts or our ways above His ways.
There were several disciples in Jesus' core group and not one female was named. The current culture does not want to accept that God makes distinctions between male and female.
We see where that gets us.
As many male ministers that are screwing up. How dare they be offended by women who are called. I’d rather sit under a woman of God who’s passionate about order, than an egotistical man who’s more concerned about his personal interests.
Let God’s word be truth and every man a liar.
1 Timothy 2:11
Great Answer!
Amen 🙏.
I don’t believe in women being a pastor or preacher in a church. But, I also think that the Sunday school teachers bringing up the children are just as important. It takes the whole church to function properly, not just a pastor.
Some of these comments sounds like something a pharisees would say. The word said... They spoke with great conviction as well. God gave us the holy spirit. He is yet speaking. The question is are we listening or just arguing doctrine.
It’s pretty clear. Love this channel but I think maybe some bias exists.
This is a good channel and has great wisdom. But there are certain things that I think require a bit more experience to form a more concrete answer. We know he is not afraid to be controversial so its not that he is being timid about this, its just that he doesnt have a good case for nor against.
But he admits the bias by stating his connection to his mom and why he’s unclear.
If we are going to be honest, every single human is biased and that will never change because of our personal experiences but it's important to recognize they're there which he did do
That's right because that scripture that they use doesn't mean that. God can use whoever he wants. Ur right. If ur not sure leave it alone. The Bible tells us to avoid foolish and unlearned questions. People will argue the Bible. Nope not doing it . I like how u approach that.