It's funny that Liszt made these transcriptions for people who didn't have access to an orchestra when it's about a million times more likely you could track down 25 half decent orchestral players than a single pianist who could play this.
Liszt, "If I can play this, anyone can!" -actual quote from Liszt in his afterlife, laughing at us normal pianists after finding out he was the most brilliant pianist ever. Are we a joke!?
it is said that if you were lucky enough to hear Liszt play these symphonies then it's guaranteed that it'd be better than the original orchestral symphonies
The funny thing is: My piano teacher always said to me: The piano is the only instrument able imitate a whole orchestra. So everything you play, the melody, the accompaniment etc. you have to imagine what instrument that is and bring out its colour.
In my humble opinion, the Fifth is the only one of the Beethoven's Symphonies whose transcription for piano lacks something, that only an orchestra can fully give. And that says a lot of the Fifth Symphnony! I don't feel the same for the other ones. Btw I'm simply in love with these Liszt's masterpieces and Cyprien Katsaris as "the" interpreter.
Playing at this speed is pretty much equal to insanity, However, on 30th June 2023.Japanese Pianist Tomoki Sakata played even faster at Hakuju Hall in Tokyo and took audiences aback!
I remember going upstairs and pressing every key until I found the first eight notes to play the beginning on my grandmother's piano. My first touch to classical music, and now it's fun to see actually that they were 100% correct all these years later while practicing this piece
My daughter is 4 and she heard Beethoven on the animated Mr.Bean episode a while ago. While driving her to kindergarten once, I decided to put the symphonic version for her just to let her hear the real deal... Now, she asks to hear the song *literally* every time we get in the car together. It's the classical piece I've heard the most in my life and it's still so good every time. Now she wants me to learn it on the piano... I think I'll pass!
For any advanced hobby pianists wondering whether to attempt this, having "learnt" the 4th movement I'll tell you this much: playing it at this speed is pretty much equal to insanity, but if you are capable of enjoying it at a somewhat slower tempo (60-70% of this) go for it, it's not that difficult at that tempo
What do you mean by "full speed"? The 5th Symphony by Beethoven is by no means a fast piece! Yes, today many conductors tend to play it way too fast. Just listen to Wilhelm Furtwängler (BPO or VPO) there you'll have almost this tempo played by Cyprien Katsaris (or Glenn Gould)! 🤔
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Ludwig van Beethoven:5.c-moll ,,Sors" Szimfónia Op.67 (Liszt Ferenc feldolgozásában) 1.Allegro con brio 00:00 2.Andante con moto 07:35 3.Allegro 18:50 4.Allegro 25:19 Cyprien Katsaris-zongora
I'm watching the golf on the telly, while listening to this. It sounds incredible, but it is no substitute for the complete orchestra. Just my opinion.
I don't enjoy the actual version: I love the Lisat transcription and this interpretation (must be real) is the most enjoyable incredible piece. Love it, thanks to the OP, the artist and the record guy, thanks all for this ... sounds real no edit love it
Absolutely amazing skills but I wonder if the first part should not be played slowly... Every note of the movement is so majestic and beautiful, that's a shame that he didn't let them to sound a bit longer.
@Adrian M Well idc anyway because my hands span up to minor 10th, I was just saying Edit. Although the biggest interval meant not to be broken is a major 10th I think so it's still not 100% accessible for me, but those things are really unnoticeable
I think he actually didn't put ads. As you see in description, TH-cam detect musics included in the video automatically and put ads because of their copyrights.
I chalk it up to a stupid algorithm. A human with any sense at all would not have put an ad at the critical, unforgettable and triumphant transition between the third and fourth movements, and would have let the last chord die out naturally before shoving an ad in there.
IMHO Glenn Gould is slightly better. But Cyprien Katsaris (with his own grand piano especially made for his Beethoven/Liszt recordings) is also excellent.
36:20 - I know Beethoven was well ahead of his time - having written the still avant-garde Grosse Fuge without even being able to hear, and all - but what is going on at 36:26 in this piece? He is tooling along in 4 (really doubling at 8 to the bar), then changes to 4, but in between he has a measure of only 3 beats. Is that for real, or is that a mistake??? I don't have the manuscript handy - nor the Liszt at all. What gives??? Is Beethoven really that much of a genius???
I prefer Katsaris. Gould's versions are too stoccato to my taste. But, as the saying goes, beauty lies in the eye, or ear in this case, of the beholder. Either way, both brilliant performers.
Gould's version is still available. I actually came here after getting a link to the Gould version, and being really damn annoyed at his insufferable singing.
This is unfortunatly one of the problems the rather eccentric gould had. When I first heard Bach recordings of him the humming was rather quiet and I thought I was insane for hearing stuff thats not there
Cyprien Katsaris, at least in the ninth symphony (The only symphony + Piano arrangement I'm enough familliar with to say) plays things differently from what is written in the arrangement. This might be why, he takes some liberties with the arrangements.
Liszt did a crap ton of transcription/arrangements for solo piano. Pieces that say like Bach-Bussoni means they are arrangements. Although I'm not sure if the purpose was to let people hear the big works in a smaller setting but what haaggus said is true. Back in the days people don't have the luxury of listening to "recordings", aka anything that is not live. Just count the music you've heard live and exclude stuff you heard from the player, how much music have you actually heard?
It's funny that Liszt made these transcriptions for people who didn't have access to an orchestra when it's about a million times more likely you could track down 25 half decent orchestral players than a single pianist who could play this.
haha true
Good point, lol.
Liszt probably thought "If I can play it, anyone can". A common mistake.
He was commissioned to make these all I believe, probably by someone who wanted professional pianists to play them for him
Derek Suszko No, he made that for the beauty
He was sure piano could equalize in beauty a whole orchestra
He did it
Liszt, "If I can play this, anyone can!"
-actual quote from Liszt in his afterlife, laughing at us normal pianists after finding out he was the most brilliant pianist ever. Are we a joke!?
Liszt wanted to demonstrate that the piano is strong enough to equalize a complete orchestra... he did it.
I agree, I'm a fan of Liszt's transcriptions of orchestral works for solo piano.
I fully agree!
Damn these symphonies actually sound good on the piano. Who knew?
it is said that if you were lucky enough to hear Liszt play these symphonies then it's guaranteed that it'd be better than the original orchestral symphonies
Liszt knew.
Liszt knew alright!
The funny thing is: My piano teacher always said to me: The piano is the only instrument able imitate a whole orchestra. So everything you play, the melody, the accompaniment etc. you have to imagine what instrument that is and bring out its colour.
Liszt did
I can't live without music.So I thank you.
I'll be more specific -- I can't live w/o Beethoven.
Louis Defaux was thinking on writing exactly the same!
Beethoven through the hands of Liszt perceived by katsaris - life is a gift.
Get goosebumps in the transition from 3rd to 4th movement, everytime! Even in the piano solo! Only Beethoven could achieve something this magical
Best moment in music history for sure.
In my humble opinion, the Fifth is the only one of the Beethoven's Symphonies whose transcription for piano lacks something, that only an orchestra can fully give. And that says a lot of the Fifth Symphnony! I don't feel the same for the other ones. Btw I'm simply in love with these Liszt's masterpieces and Cyprien Katsaris as "the" interpreter.
The best performance I've ever heard Katsaris is one of the greatest pianist without doupt
The second movement sounds as if it were meant to be for piano! 8:38, 12:32- beautiful!
Playing at this speed is pretty much equal to insanity,
However, on 30th June 2023.Japanese Pianist Tomoki Sakata played even faster at Hakuju Hall in Tokyo and took audiences aback!
This is marvelous! Thank you so much for uploading these!
Simply perfect, Thanks Cyprien so much
I always remember that one animated Mr. Bean episode whenever I hear the piano version of Beethoven's 5th
I remember going upstairs and pressing every key until I found the first eight notes to play the beginning on my grandmother's piano. My first touch to classical music, and now it's fun to see actually that they were 100% correct all these years later while practicing this piece
My daughter is 4 and she heard Beethoven on the animated Mr.Bean episode a while ago. While driving her to kindergarten once, I decided to put the symphonic version for her just to let her hear the real deal... Now, she asks to hear the song *literally* every time we get in the car together. It's the classical piece I've heard the most in my life and it's still so good every time. Now she wants me to learn it on the piano... I think I'll pass!
Final Allegro is 25:19, not what is in the description, which is just "a tempo" from the 3rd mvt.
Omg, I knew I loved liszt, now I'm sure
Excellent performance!
25:20 I cried
So did I.
divina interpretazione !
spring in his piano!
I really love it.
Love it!
So great!
Amazing, out of this world. One piano has replaced the full orchestra!
finally, TEMPO!! thank you Maestro!
6:57 Katsaris HAS IT...YESS
For any advanced hobby pianists wondering whether to attempt this, having "learnt" the 4th movement I'll tell you this much: playing it at this speed is pretty much equal to insanity, but if you are capable of enjoying it at a somewhat slower tempo (60-70% of this) go for it, it's not that difficult at that tempo
The first movement is the killer !!!! You need the sheer physical strength to play all the "FF" passages.
Best performance I have seen on TH-cam on my favorite symphony......
well. he is worldwide renown for these first recordings of the liszt transcripts
@Luigi Raimondo Pomo Greetings back from Germany 😁
15:11 to 15:37 is the best part of the piece.
I love 20:13
I love the part from 00:00 to 37:17
Syrl_ how original
And that part is Beethoven's clever insertion of a quotation from a very old piece.
@@grafplaten la folia I assume
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That's working? So far I have copied the videos to the PC and then played them.
wise words, monsieur alkan
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Even the best interprets can't play it full speed, one of the hardest pieces out there.
What do you mean by "full speed"? The 5th Symphony by Beethoven is by no means a fast piece! Yes, today many conductors tend to play it way too fast. Just listen to Wilhelm Furtwängler (BPO or VPO) there you'll have almost this tempo played by Cyprien Katsaris (or Glenn Gould)! 🤔
Man I really want to see this live now
I did, last night. Very moving experience!
15:12 most beautiful excerpt
Glorious
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15:12 Les folies d'Espagne (La folia)
6:11 - 7:34
favorite part of the symphony
Also 17:36 - 17:44
My favorite part is 20:13
+asmo_192 me too
Ludwig van Beethoven:5.c-moll ,,Sors" Szimfónia Op.67 (Liszt Ferenc feldolgozásában)
1.Allegro con brio 00:00
2.Andante con moto 07:35
3.Allegro 18:50
4.Allegro 25:19
Cyprien Katsaris-zongora
God that finale what the hell
super
this is the real beethoven expert
Magnificent
C'est la perfection même.
Is it a coincidence that I accidentaly read his name Katarsis (aka chatarsis)? :)) Because that's what I felt during the performance.
Its katsaris not katatsis sorry
@@leonardocaromandiola3063 You don't get it.
Tris is really great.
I'm watching the golf on the telly, while listening to this. It sounds incredible, but it is no substitute for the complete orchestra. Just my opinion.
I don't enjoy the actual version: I love the Lisat transcription and this interpretation (must be real) is the most enjoyable incredible piece. Love it, thanks to the OP, the artist and the record guy, thanks all for this ... sounds real no edit love it
Absolutely amazing skills but I wonder if the first part should not be played slowly... Every note of the movement is so majestic and beautiful, that's a shame that he didn't let them to sound a bit longer.
That's slower than the tempo Beethoven actually wrote
mooi
I’VE BEEN DYING TO PLAY THIS ON PIANO
@Adrian M I guess it would be way harder for people with smaller hands
@Adrian M Well idc anyway because my hands span up to minor 10th, I was just saying
Edit. Although the biggest interval meant not to be broken is a major 10th I think so it's still not 100% accessible for me, but those things are really unnoticeable
25:18
4th movement*
Musicfans Thank you that was conusing lol
Thanks, hopefully he'll edit the time stamp
I think it was posted like that because the end of the third movement serves as a good transition to the fourth movement.
I know that the 6th is for crybabies like me. The 3rd is close to nature too, I like the simple 6th first then the agonizing 3rd, then the fifth.
Fun Fact: Liszt concepted the transcriptions of the Beethoven as piano pieces as pieces you don't have to practise
Another fun fact: I needed two weeks to practise it for a school concert 😂
This I think is what it would really sound like if Beethoven himself played it.
Why did you put ads in the middle of the music and not when each movement was finished?
I think he actually didn't put ads. As you see in description, TH-cam detect musics included in the video automatically and put ads because of their copyrights.
I chalk it up to a stupid algorithm. A human with any sense at all would not have put an ad at the critical, unforgettable and triumphant transition between the third and fourth movements, and would have let the last chord die out naturally before shoving an ad in there.
I got so fed up with adverts that I now subscribe to TH-cam and have no more ads.
You have to admit, TH-cam has some balls interrupting music like this with ads. But it is, after all. the almighty dollar speaking.
this is much faster than most performances transcription or not.
My guess is that Dudley Moore Colonel Bogey Sonata sketch was inspired from the fourth movement's coda....
25:12 🥰🥰🥰
As this is playing, someone in my house is playing our piano and I am aware now of how horribly out of tune our piano is rip
What was that at 4:15? It sounded like strings.
it is
João Gabriel No it’s not.. it is piano solo..
Probably a tremolo
last two movements are the stand out, however I feel it's played to slowly
I too feel this should be played in d flat minor... 🤪
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7:25 second movement
18:50
Not bad.
These ads man
I truly think those transcript where not made for human... I still doubt Liszt himself could play that master piece as he wrote it for piano.
The fourth movement starts at 25:24, not 23:24
Would have been considerably more enjoyable without the damn ads between the movements!
31:15 wat
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An ad right before the 4th movement = dislike
IMHO Glenn Gould is slightly better. But Cyprien Katsaris (with his own grand piano especially made for his Beethoven/Liszt recordings) is also excellent.
Didn't know that about his piano,is it a bösendorfer special edition or just a custom made piano?
is this even feasible for hobby non virtuoso pianists?😅
Well, if you're aiming to eventually become a virtuoso pianist, yes.
It's not hard compared to other great pieces
Remember, anyone can eat an elephant, just one bite at a time
Patience and practice!
No.
I've sight read the symphonies 1, 5 and 9 and the 32 piano sonatas in 5 0r 6 sessions. i plan to do the complete works.
36:20 - I know Beethoven was well ahead of his time - having written the still avant-garde Grosse Fuge without even being able to hear, and all - but what is going on at 36:26 in this piece? He is tooling along in 4 (really doubling at 8 to the bar), then changes to 4, but in between he has a measure of only 3 beats. Is that for real, or is that a mistake??? I don't have the manuscript handy - nor the Liszt at all. What gives??? Is Beethoven really that much of a genius???
SherwinGooch ‘is Beethoven really that much of a genius???’ Never doubt Beethoven...
It's good, but it's very unfortunate the version done by Glenn Gould is not on the Tube anymore,,,,just unbeatable...
I prefer Katsaris. Gould's versions are too stoccato to my taste. But, as the saying goes, beauty lies in the eye, or ear in this case, of the beholder. Either way, both brilliant performers.
Gould's version is still available. I actually came here after getting a link to the Gould version, and being really damn annoyed at his insufferable singing.
This is unfortunatly one of the problems the rather eccentric gould had. When I first heard Bach recordings of him the humming was rather quiet and I thought I was insane for hearing stuff thats not there
anyone know if this is actually liszt's transcription? because from what iam hearing it doesnt seem to be liszt's version am i right?
I played the beginning and this part is exactly the same. For some passages Liszt composed two different scores. Maybe this is what confuses you..
Cyprien Katsaris, at least in the ninth symphony (The only symphony + Piano arrangement I'm enough familliar with to say) plays things differently from what is written in the arrangement. This might be why, he takes some liberties with the arrangements.
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are you sure ? because 0:34 is definitely different liszt's score.
I think he improvised a little bit, I too have Liszt's transcript in my hand lol
i've uploaded about 40% of beethoven. note i'm only sight reading not musicality though i do try when the time is inspired. i think!
It is a Little too fast
Too fast for what?
You do realise who it is that you are talking about right?
Because he can!!!
sorry but couldn't finish listening. Just listen Idil Biret's 1986 recording. It is true music.
Sorry but its not
exactly, her EMI recording is gold.
why beethoven/liszt? it's beethoven's composition !
Liszt arranged it I believe.
someone had to put them to piano, luckily for us it was Liszt. it would be no easy feat
that's why Liszt is such a colossal figure in piano, I think piano music is infinitely better because of him
Liszt did a crap ton of transcription/arrangements for solo piano. Pieces that say like Bach-Bussoni means they are arrangements.
Although I'm not sure if the purpose was to let people hear the big works in a smaller setting but what haaggus said is true. Back in the days people don't have the luxury of listening to "recordings", aka anything that is not live.
Just count the music you've heard live and exclude stuff you heard from the player, how much music have you actually heard?
Miro: If it hadn't been for Liszt, this piano version would not have existed.
I don't like the way that the pianists "mimics" the timpani with the tremolo
i think its in the score
you gotta complain directly to the author of the transcription, Frans Liszt...
franz.liszt@deadcandance.net
Hawkins: Newsflash. This is TH-cam, not Facebook. Nobody cares what you like or don't like.
Me neither. It could've been skipped entirely.
😢
Horrible
19:17