like le sserafim is my first girl kpop group I got into and I totally get they aren't the most amazing vocalists in the world but like, the hate is absolutely INSANE. people act like they killed their first born like?????????
Kpop stans and haters are getting too comfortable in hating le sserafim that they dont even care anymore like even if the video is related to other group or artist they are dragging le sserafim trolling making fun of them and hating them.. also those trash knetz after being sued by somu they are feeling guilty and sorrt like what?!
One thing people will never understand is the fact that criticism and hate are different. Criticism doesn't hurt. Hate is the equivalent of bullying. They should stop...and not only for le sserafim. For every group. They should leave them alone. We don't want another Sulli incident..
#2 It’s their third language and you expect them to right native level bars???😑 And fyi Maya and Cocona do have credits for writing the song ‘Show you can’ Even in their blog Simon, their CEO talked about Chisa practicing producing songs in their blogs so do give them some time to learn. Even western artists like Drake, Cardi b hire lyricist to write their songs so I don’t see any problem here.
hahaha thats some shades u threw at drake amid all these drake kendrick feud going on. but yes i agree to the XG comments, ppl hating just bcuz they are threatened.
you think they’ve never gotten shit for that? quick question, you must be very out of touch with social culture reactions in america if you think ppl just let that slide. not only that but they are black so you can imagine how worse their hate was.
It’s also known knowledge that Drake’s most successful album, Take Care, was mostly The Weeknd songs like come on. Not knocking Drake but let’s be so Fr
Right but at the same time having a “cool” tone when you rap don’t make one a good rapper either….but a lot of kpop fans use that as their reasoning…aka YG Stan’s who think Jennie, Lisa, Asa, ect are some groundbreaking rappers cause u like their tone
Weird Al Yankovic writes the lyrics to his rap covers, and raps in them. And the quality of the lyrics, even if they are meant to be a parody, still exceeds the majority of the lyrics/ verse you hear from mainstream rappers. So is he a 'Rap' artist?
3. SM IS DROPPING A BRITISH K-POP GROUP!? WTF-😂💀 As a brit, I have to admit, from where I’m from, the K-pop industry or K-pop in general is NEVER mentioned in BRITLAND. And if it was, it would be talked so badly about.
Tbh Aespa & Taeyeon are the only sm artists who are doing well rn. Rest are just their in dungeon,so instead of focusing on them, the move of a british group seems to be stupid af😂😂
I’m not a Brit, but I am an Anglophile and love British humor. I’m kinda scared for this group because there is no snark as vicious, acerbic, and cutthroat as British snark and deprecation. I wish them all the best, but it could get ugly.
Lesserafim needs to take a break right now im genuinely worried especially for eunchae. I can get criticizing them but no one know the difference between criticism and hate. The moment people started talking about yunjins' body and her pre debut photos i knew it would be ugly.
Out of those names, BABY MONSTER sounds good even though it’s questionable. What the heck is “bad villain” supposed too mean? A villain is bad 😂. And “candy shop” sounds like a song name.
@@Erwin-08Morgan i like babymonster but it is an awful name. I just hate these labels. Awful lyrics,awful names with sht ton of marketing getting undeserved fame. Artists are generally amazing in any group,never the fault of artists, labels are simply awful.
Kpop stans and haters are getting too comfortable in hating le sserafim that they dont even care anymore like even if the video is related to other group or artist they are dragging le sserafim trolling making fun of them and hating them.. also those trash knetz after being sued by somu they are feeling guilty and sorry like what?!
All your favorite rappers on the radio have had ghostwriters. People are just looking for things to throw shade. XG is the only triple threat crew that can body, rapping, vocals, and dance. Yes I called them a crew because they move like a high level dance crew.
Yeah they're comparing XG to babymonster that asa counterpart their lyrics , how come XG wrote lyrics like boom boom pow ?😂 vroom vroom?😅 Peek a boo hoo?😂 Take note Maya and cocona counterpart their songs in Show you can
The whole hate train towards lesserafim is so frustrating. The conspiracy theories are so wild. And the racist comments towards the Japanese members of both illit and lesserafim is absolutely disgusting. I feel bad for the girls especially Eunchae. She has been getting a lot of unnecessary hate recently. I hope hybe takes some strict actions this time.
@@Divetinyyes all kpop groups are trained, you haven't seen their dance videos aside from their ez song choreos so you have no idea why people even prof dancers are in awe of their dancing
i am very worried for lesserafim members i saw those comments they were nasty i am very worried about the girls especially eunchae she is 17 imagine dealing with this type of hate at age of 17,
3. Its not a "British KPOP group", its a UK Boy Band and SM has a hand in it along with a UK label. Not y'all thinking bunch of Brits learning korean and singing in kpop. Y'all tripping! Its just a boy band, with SM being a shareholder for their debut. BIG DIFFERENCE
I'm completely fucking fed up with the hate train on le sserafim. People are acting so genuinely personally offended that those girls don't sing well live like it's the first time in history that a girl group didn't have stupendous vocals. Just let it go already 😒 Coachella was like 2 months ago at this point, bruh
XG is a team which includes their entire crew which includes Simon, chancellor and sienna and a lot more it's everybody's success and it's XG's success.. I have nothing but love for XG
Sm teaming up with a uk tv production company to form a boyband... simon cowell has been making noise about forming a new boy group recently, so maybe he wants in on that kpop market.
Acco Reports many started apologizing since they got notices from somu, pannchoa started deleting hating articles abt Lsf(OOPS SOURCE FOR TOKKIS & MHJ CULT IS GONE😭).... like people were acting as if they did some crime.... & even started degrading their performing skills too, comparing them to avg performers just bcoz they got hate for singing
I am from the coast, close to the caribean and let me tell you, from what I have seen of them... Specially about their last track... They looked... It is hard to explain... We call it "flavour", it is a mixture of charm, sense of rythm, enjoyment and that "it" factor that makes you want to dance with them. They seems to lack that, I mean, they can be amazing dancers but if they just lack that "flavour" it just looks stiff or discordinated to me.
That people would think that XG would not know what the social and cultural references of the verses in their songs is utterly stupid. Simon and their writers would absolutly be sure that the girls understood the slang, the cultural significance of 'rap and hip hop' and that it to be taken seriously and to never disrespect it. Since their earliest song Tippy Toes and up to New DNA GRG GVNG, one of their longtime songwriters is a Black Woman, Rachel West.
Thank you! I saw a comment on Reddit that asked if the girls knew what the term opps meant and I'm like why wouldn't they? They literally grew up listen to hip hop and r&b and still listen to it to this day. I've seen haters whine about how they don't even have black writers for their songs and just have non black people writing their music and misuse AAVE when it's actually the opposite. Other people have let them know that black people write their music yet they still choose to deny it. It's like they can't fathom the idea of Asian or any non black artists growing up with hip hop and r&b and actually knowing how to use AAVE. Apparently to them anyone who isn't black is automatically uneducated on black culture. If you're not black, they just assume you don't know how to use AAVE. Like, I'm black and I know the I've witnessed non black people using AAVE incorrectly, but it's not impossible for a non black person to actually do research and actually be educated on black culture.
You only spit only FACTS when speaking on XG!!! 🔥🔥🔥 Non-fans + haters always try to pull that “but they don’t even write their own lyrics” card like it’s just THAT easy too and in a non native language at that lol 😂
out of all ethnicity groups SM CHOOSES BRITISH, unless it aint drill barely any1 will like it, that is so stupid atp its like they have a lack of ideas
About XG, actually it's much harder to deliver lines that you have no Idea where the reference comes from mostly in rap. So I think they are being mentored about Hiphop culture as well.
they personally love hiphop and r&b, they are deeply inspired by it, you can tell how they talk about it in interviews. They just don't throw away "swaggy" english slangs lines just for the sake of looking swag
@@silentwatcher24 "They don't throw away swaggy english slangs just for the sake of looking swag". It's ridiculous, that haters accuse them of doing that, and also accuse them of misusing AAVE and accuse them of cultural appropriation and call them racist all the time even though none of it is true. And I say this as a black person who grew up with hip hop and r&b.
ppl complaining abput XG not writing their own lyrics in their third language (which they actually started to get hands on) are just betas who are threatened that their fav groups are being taken over. there are literally the only TWO things these haters could say about XG, "they dont write their own lyrics" and "they are in korea but not kpop!", they couldn't even pick out any other flaws to say other than these two dumb complaints. come on, list me other kpop girl groups that write their own rap lines, i will wait.
the only update I care to hear about from SM is what hell there doing with RV. there og, ground breaking group that's pulled them out financial distress more then it can be counted, is about to have there 10 year anniversary....aint no way IN HELL the well established, well loved, and talented members themselves should be currently speaking out on the all the DEAD SILENCE they've gotten since before last year from their own company.
I’m British, I don’t see this working at all. I can see the radio hosts making some negative quips about them. If it’s all British members, they’d be ignored for calling themselves a Korean group. If they’re not British members, people will be confused as to why they’re called British. It’ll be like some X-factor 💩 where you no longer hear of them after the contest.
The IVE one is honestly wrong. Yujin, as amazing as she is, is in fact not as precise as Gaeul. She’s more powerful (and has better stage presence/facial expressions for sure), but she’s not as good as Gaeul when it comes to technique. Let’s not pretend that the reason she gets so much center time and the dance breaks isn’t because of her popularity and because she’s a former member of IZ*ONE. Don’t get me wrong, I think she’s one of the best dancers in IVE for sure, but she isn’t better than Gaeul. They are pretty much on par with each other and excel in different areas.
2 - expect that they would have criticisms like this...especially those who are just crawling out of their caves hearing real rapping for the 1st time...yep, it's not just singing fast, rhymes and beats...(and the obvious that you UNDERSTAND the lyrics)....stop comparing your favorite groups to these girls and just add them to ur favorites, coz its going to be divine intervention 4 u 😂
1. And the haters who commented that shit coming out saying that they don’t deserve to get sued, bro the level of entitlement. Like bro I’m scared for Le Sserafim. I pray they’re doing okay mentally 2. I really do think the writing comments is unnecessary. Their skills are crazy and we also need to shed light on Chisa and Maya because if you watch the Shooting Star recording video, you can just tell they are itching to get more hands on in the process of making their music. I can feel writing credits coming soon
3. THEY'RE MAKING A WHAT... Who made this idea, I need names..VCHA and Katseye is one thing.. yeah I won't say nun bout that.. BUT A WHOLE ASS BRITISH GROUP IS ANOTHER.. but hey, if we get some UK Drill then fine, i'll zip my lips and eat my words. Because lowkey? UK Drill aint bad, it's pretty fire. But if it aint that then I might just say sum ! 4. AGREED !! Like.. there was some point that I was like "Yeah, Stray Kids kinda fumbled with this one". But then when I saw the comments under Chans instagram post I was like.. "Have yall lost the plot??" Like.. it was NASTYY.. and I was honestly horrified . Ever since the collab with Stray Kids and Charlie Puth, it has went from Educating and Boycotting to being straight up horrific in the name of Boycotting and Educating. And at this point? It's losing the plot? Do people forget that idols are humans too with emotions and feelings?? Im like "Yall are acting like the kids sold their soul to the devil", it's one english track that they might have fumbled on, but they can actually.. grow. But hey, apparently idols were supposed to be saints..so ..
1. I wish lsf just went on hiatus of even 6 months. Thats a lot of time to improve vocally and not deal with hate to cause mental health issues. 2. XG is getting those accusations because theyre getting bigger. Haters know their faves could never so why not throw the ghost writing issue in the mix. Not all artists are going to write their music. And it's okay. What matters is if it sounds good or not. 3. Why British kpop bg?? For what?? Vcha and katseye havent been successful in any way so why bother doing that as well.
5. Heavy on this one ! When we look at melon top 100, it's clear that the top 3 gg in 4th gen in Korea are aespa (4 song right now on the top 100), ive (6 song on the top, love dive never leave since its released) and newjeans (8 songs, like wow). 8. True, if people can watch in theater the same movie twice or more, why can't they also attend multiples concerts?
Facts about XG! Ghost writing is a prolific and lucrative profession and many rappers today use them to write bars, so eff them haters who wanna try to slight XG’s talent
This Le Sera hate-train just drew my attention to Sakura (who I never really paid attention to) and made me a big fan of her. Her stage presence has acc gone a long way to distract me from their weaker points throughout this whole thing ngl. Sucks that fans are piling on like this- hopefully having the comments off for a while will help reset the vibes.
These girls are getting death threats for breathing at this point. I understand criticism based on their vocals. No one would call them a vocal group but they are still a pretty young group. There still so much time for improvement. I hope people can look at these girls with kindness and patience in the future.
Critics on LE SERAFIM start from Coachella ...bactrack perfomance ...( dat shit not past on Coachella sory) End internacional fans start dat ....with critics ...bat netizens finish with forse hate comments ....
#4 I dunno if it's hypocritical or not, but isn't that just how the fans show that they care about the hard work of their idol who has prepared so much to do the concert? Sure, maybe doing so can gauge the companies to work their artist more than before, but I think the contradicting stance fans have is actually refers to: everything in excessive amount is never good. Fans will complaint to the company for overworking their favs BECAUSE they are, and fans will also demand a selfie because maybe, just maybe, there are no REGULAR update from their certain favs when the other members (in the same group) have many activities or interacting with fans regularly on social media. I think companies need to manage how to regulate their artists exposure to media. But, maybe I haven't been exposed too much to the dark side of several fandoms, so that's just my take from what I've seen.
You can’t blame MHJ completely cause the hate started because of Coachella, everyone knows that the comments were so bad even on Eunchae’s instagram after Coachella before the Hybe drama. Yes MHJ contributed but not so much cause she just said NJs was supposed to debut before them wait and the cult shit that made it worse . But it started cause of their various encores and coachella performances
Actually, I agree with you. They create the foundation for this by themselves (I mean the members and their team), they have been portrayed as to much proud of their work and achivements only for being consistent to deliver poor live stages one after another and treating fans and the public as dumbs for pretending we do not notice they only seem to "slay" their singing when they do lipsynch. And lets not pretend they have not used the easy path of controversy for promotion. I still think that if things have traspassed the line between criticism and jokes about their job and they went towards the members personal lives then the trend have gone to far away. That women just trowed fuel to the fire but they created and fired the pit by themselves and it is so maddening that this could be avoided with a good dosis of humility here and there.
Do u even have any idea the hate propoganda & media play by mhj towards bts, illit & lsf. There were hundreds of nonsense articles released on hating these groups whenever shady stuff of hers gets out + after every article downgrading these 3 groups, the next article will be of uplifting newjeans. U think all of these are just coincidence...
Yes I agree to you somewhat but it's not just them.. since MHJ's press conference almost all hybe big groups have been slammed with hate and false accusations except NJ ofcourse ..
@@kimyoung3160 actually NJs has been affected by the international side because of BTS fans they have been affected negatively that everything they do they are bashed or treated badly
@laetitiac9890 you just need to open your eyes to the comment sections the amount of hate these other hybe groups and accusations are way way more .. imagine bringing up a Saejegi case they were already cleared for and demanding their cultural merit be taken back? Imaging hating minors (illit) even if they haven't done anything wrong.. not denying NJ has some bashers but the amount of hate is way less
99% of the kpop industry, the songs which are btw mostly the same flow, the same rhythm the same beat and lyrics all about love and relationships not written by idols themselves, XG is doing something outside the box and they are TRAINED idols. They got synergy, stability all good vocals and dance too, they're near perfect and setting the standard
why do I feel like ateez also has a forced hate train? ateez has a 2nd win and apprantly its illegally even though they had multiple categorys they needed to win in.
#2 People forgetting that they're idols and not independent rappers, they can write their lyrics of a song getting released but their company is still the one to decide, plus even if you write the hardest bar of the century, if you cant deliver it, it's just flat. People just findin a way to hate for the sake of hating, y'all just cant accept how good XG is on every aspect
Wait a minute. You want the LS hate train to go away, but you're perfectly happy to keep stoking the Anti-MHJ engine. MHJ had a legitimate complaint that LS debuted ahead of New Jeans, which was not what YG promised, and that YG has neglected NJ, favoring LS. That's it. MHJ has never criticized the members or their efforts. She's said that Illit has copied NJ too, but all of these are criticisms of Management, not the members. I can't see that MHJ, having worked for so long in the industry, would ever want to discourage anyone's dreams. So cool it unless it's really warranted...
Rap has a long history of some of the best being written for. But I fully suspect this group will get more and more involved as things continue and I think they even suggest stuff now at times.
Question about #1. Are insinuating that minheejin was the cause of the hate? Just a little confused 🤔. Cause I thought it was about the COCHELLA performance. I don’t remember anyone mentioning something that minheejin did to le sserafim, i thought all that she did was talk about illit. (Not trying to cause problems just like really understand before anyone of you company stans start trying to start something) 😅
6. I have an opinion about the dancer in IVE, Liz is an amazing dancer too, i noticed it after she when viral for many moves she does, the girl isn´t only and AMAZING sing but dancer too, for me is: 1. Yujin 2. Liz/Gaeul
Ik people are getting pissed with k pop going for global groups( not sonsging in korean anymore) But i dont think its a bad idea Its not like girl/boy groups originally started from korea If it was a non k pop company starting a group i dont think people would be complaining. I think one of the reason's why companies collaborate with k pop companies is because the k pop companies know how to ig " manage " a group and not make the members fall apart unlees something comes ap. I also find it as a nice approcah to bring back groups/bands tht dont sing korea since not alot are known And the most famous ones some have broken up or lost a member
Your whole video is flawed cuz if you take one side of the story and not take the other that means new jeans without mihi. Jin didn't have a chance. And I would say new jeans has done a much better job of promoting k-pop than unless seraphim through their talent alone
Le serrafim is literally being bullied. The "constructive criticism" ended months ago and now it's just sending death threats to them like wtf???? And these same people will act all sad and say "oh no we need to protect idols" blah blah Knetz literally NEVER learn from past mistakes. This is no different than what they did to sulli
don't get me wrong i'm not exactly Min Heejin's no.1 supporter but I do think the haters are only using MHJ as a face for their hate, MHJ brought up LSFM's name because it was promised to her when she signed as the ADOR CEO that NewJeans would debut before LSFM, which wasn't upholded by HYBE, and this was also brought up in court by their lawyers, I don't think MHJ wanted hate for ILLIT or LSFM at all, but felt the need to bring it up because her legal promises weren't upholded by HYBE.
Why does matter the lsfm debuted first? If anything NJ gets the advantage of being the new group (for a while) everyone's looking at. New groups are gonna debut left and right NJ won't have this shock and fresh feeling forever. If you gotta rely on that type of marketing then maybe you're doing something wrong. She probably wanted lsfm locked up in the dungeon while NJ rises.
Unless is writted, signed and registered in a commercial contract it is words. NJ was about to be a SoMu's group. That woman wanted her own agency so she took SoMu's trainees and team and left to work in a new agency for Hybe whille already plotting to take control of it latter if it worked. And lets have a little of memory here, Gfriend was already being promoted as the first girl group of Hybe and Fromis 9 was the second. That millionare woman was trowing baseless accusations in order to avoid loosing her millionare job.
Debuting first does not guarantee success. And they were already training but she wanted to make her own labels and get some of the trainees.. you cant create a whole new label right away it takes a long time so you cant blame hybe or source music for pushing through and debuting the group they had originally planned
i just want to say, i’m always active under all your videos. sometimes i will just give it a like, because i don’t have anything to say in the comments. i love all your takes.
@@safz15It’s not just BTS lol it’s BP too. But this doesn’t justify the fact that K-pop isn’t popular here in England. The stuff they say about BTS and the whole of the K-pop industry is crazy.
2. I don't like their raps. They're just not my type 7. Not really. If they drink starbuck that doesnt mean they support gen*cide or if they say n word that doesnt mean they support sl*very. 9. They're kindra cringe.
The hate that LE SSERAFIM get's is because some people are hateful idiots and have nothing better to do, trying to push the blame on Min Hee-jin is lazy and simply not true, they've been getting massive hate ever since the encore stage and hasn't stopped since, Min Hee-Jin didn't say anything wrong about LE SSERAFIM she only pointed out she was lied to because NewJeans was supposed to debut first, which is true because Huh Yun-Jin used to train with NewJeans then she was suddenly called by Hybe to join LE SSERAFIM which means NEWJEAN members was already together and formed while HYBE was still selecting members for LE SSERAFIM, True or Not True doesn't matter, there isn't anything in the statement to cause anyone to hate on anyone, It's just people so hateful they use anything they can, but by you blaming Min Hee-Jin you are taking the blame off the idiots and pointing it elsewhere.
not shit talking but but XG's lyrics are just so cringe. their concept is really mind blowing... if only they put that much effort into making their lyrics a bit better like what is "woke up looking like this so dont get under my skin" even supposed to say. i've noticed the weird lyrics since their debut days but i thought eventually it'll get better once they find their solid sound but no its just not fitting.
#2 yes flow and cadence have a big impact but like we’ve seen in the past with rappers in the west having ghostwriters does damage to your reputation, though i guess with k-pop people get away with it
The thing is, K-pop artists aren’t known for writing their own stuff and the majority are created by labels that handle their image. The rappers you’re comparing them to are in a different genre. Kpop hip hop and actual hip hop are different culturally. Drake got called out cause he acts like he’s from the streets.
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like le sserafim is my first girl kpop group I got into and I totally get they aren't the most amazing vocalists in the world but like, the hate is absolutely INSANE. people act like they killed their first born like?????????
IKR??
Kpop stans and haters are getting too comfortable in hating le sserafim that they dont even care anymore like even if the video is related to other group or artist they are dragging le sserafim trolling making fun of them and hating them.. also those trash knetz after being sued by somu they are feeling guilty and sorrt like what?!
One thing people will never understand is the fact that criticism and hate are different. Criticism doesn't hurt. Hate is the equivalent of bullying. They should stop...and not only for le sserafim. For every group. They should leave them alone. We don't want another Sulli incident..
meanwhile idol groups lipsync or sing to backtracks at most music shows like what is suddenly the issue 😭
@@pinkcloud8182 if it happened to another group like stray kids they wouldn't have said anything.
#2 It’s their third language and you expect them to right native level bars???😑
And fyi Maya and Cocona do have credits for writing the song ‘Show you can’
Even in their blog Simon, their CEO talked about Chisa practicing producing songs in their blogs so do give them some time to learn.
Even western artists like Drake, Cardi b hire lyricist to write their songs so I don’t see any problem here.
I would argue MOST singers have writers. Not only rap music and not only in Asia.
hahaha thats some shades u threw at drake amid all these drake kendrick feud going on. but yes i agree to the XG comments, ppl hating just bcuz they are threatened.
@@TdotAntiordinary no pun intended 😬
#2 Just a reminder that Cardi B, Dr Dre, and Drake don’t write all their lyrics.
you think they’ve never gotten shit for that? quick question, you must be very out of touch with social culture reactions in america if you think ppl just let that slide. not only that but they are black so you can imagine how worse their hate was.
All three are terrible
@@FrogWalrusall three are world renowned. whether you write your lyrics are not doesn’t really matter as long as your songs are good.
It’s also known knowledge that Drake’s most successful album, Take Care, was mostly The Weeknd songs like come on. Not knocking Drake but let’s be so Fr
And those three get flack for it from the rap community everyday
Writing your own songs doesn't make u a good rapper lol
Right! Or even a good song writer!
Right but at the same time having a “cool” tone when you rap don’t make one a good rapper either….but a lot of kpop fans use that as their reasoning…aka YG Stan’s who think Jennie, Lisa, Asa, ect are some groundbreaking rappers cause u like their tone
Weird Al Yankovic writes the lyrics to his rap covers, and raps in them. And the quality of the lyrics, even if they are meant to be a parody, still exceeds the majority of the lyrics/ verse you hear from mainstream rappers. So is he a 'Rap' artist?
@@sanseiryu love that guy
3. SM IS DROPPING A BRITISH K-POP GROUP!? WTF-😂💀 As a brit, I have to admit, from where I’m from, the K-pop industry or K-pop in general is NEVER mentioned in BRITLAND. And if it was, it would be talked so badly about.
lmao I never see the brits talking about kpop i think an American or maybe even Latin group would do much better since kpop is very big there
no im actually scared because people are so mean over here😭
Tbh Aespa & Taeyeon are the only sm artists who are doing well rn. Rest are just their in dungeon,so instead of focusing on them, the move of a british group seems to be stupid af😂😂
I’m not a Brit, but I am an Anglophile and love British humor. I’m kinda scared for this group because there is no snark as vicious, acerbic, and cutthroat as British snark and deprecation. I wish them all the best, but it could get ugly.
@@mylantapi-wn6hn British humour is funny but sometimes it’s questionable
Lesserafim needs to take a break right now im genuinely worried especially for eunchae. I can get criticizing them but no one know the difference between criticism and hate. The moment people started talking about yunjins' body and her pre debut photos i knew it would be ugly.
Wait what were people saying about Yunjin's body???
@@Gemstones1000 I'd rather not say its honestly disgusting
@@rina_core that's okay and u don't have to say anything u genuinely don't want to.
But for it to be that bad is really disturbing---
I also think HYBE should take the real critisms well and HEAR the audience out when we say they need more trainings
"Candy Shop", "Baby Monster", "Bad Villain" are on the list of BAD kpop group names. They sound like a kids tv show or wannabe brats.
Out of those names, BABY MONSTER sounds good even though it’s questionable. What the heck is “bad villain” supposed too mean? A villain is bad 😂. And “candy shop” sounds like a song name.
@@_JustArandomMultistan_ Candy Shop is a song by 50 CENT.
Defo Babymonster is better out of the three but is questionable like are they still gon be Babymonster when they are 30+😂😂
@@Erwin-08Morgan i like babymonster but it is an awful name. I just hate these labels. Awful lyrics,awful names with sht ton of marketing getting undeserved fame. Artists are generally amazing in any group,never the fault of artists, labels are simply awful.
"IVE" like ... what you have?
Kpop stans and haters are getting too comfortable in hating le sserafim that they dont even care anymore like even if the video is related to other group or artist they are dragging le sserafim trolling making fun of them and hating them.. also those trash knetz after being sued by somu they are feeling guilty and sorry like what?!
All your favorite rappers on the radio have had ghostwriters. People are just looking for things to throw shade. XG is the only triple threat crew that can body, rapping, vocals, and dance. Yes I called them a crew because they move like a high level dance crew.
Yeah they're comparing XG to babymonster that asa counterpart their lyrics , how come XG wrote lyrics like boom boom pow ?😂 vroom vroom?😅 Peek a boo hoo?😂
Take note Maya and cocona counterpart their songs in Show you can
@@IkusssGiii143exactly the think Asa wrote the whole song? She only brought up lines. Be fr. Why don’t she write “like
That”
@@IkusssGiii143exactly the think Asa wrote the whole song? She only brought up lines. Be fr. Why don’t she write “like
That”
@@IkusssGiii143exactly the think Asa wrote the whole song? She only brought up lines. Be fr. Why don’t she write “like
That”
i wouldn’t go tht far bout the ghost rappers but sure
I really love XG and I hope in the future they will work some or more behind credits.
But knowing the girls, I'm sure they're working on it.
candy shop wth is this name
lmao nowdays groups are coming with ridiculous name which doesn't have any meaning
I saw the name for the I land 2 group. What in the world is izna supposed to mean?
The whole hate train towards lesserafim is so frustrating. The conspiracy theories are so wild. And the racist comments towards the Japanese members of both illit and lesserafim is absolutely disgusting.
I feel bad for the girls especially Eunchae. She has been getting a lot of unnecessary hate recently. I hope hybe takes some strict actions this time.
Who cares if XG doesn’t write their own music at least they can sing and dance literally can’t say that about 90% of kpop groups these days
Literally.
For singing? Yes. Dancing? I don’t know about that one. I mean which group do you see that can’t dance? I can’t even think of one.
The only groups that can't sing are 2 groups the others are so good I don't see your point
@@Divetinyyes all kpop groups are trained, you haven't seen their dance videos aside from their ez song choreos so you have no idea why people even prof dancers are in awe of their dancing
@@Divetinyprofessional dancers see XG as a crew, you should check out their training performances, they can dance like a boy group
i am very worried for lesserafim members i saw those comments they were nasty i am very worried about the girls especially eunchae she is 17 imagine dealing with this type of hate at age of 17,
3. Its not a "British KPOP group", its a UK Boy Band and SM has a hand in it along with a UK label. Not y'all thinking bunch of Brits learning korean and singing in kpop. Y'all tripping! Its just a boy band, with SM being a shareholder for their debut. BIG DIFFERENCE
Is it kind of like the same thing HYBE did with KATSEYE and JYP did with Vcha.
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I'm completely fucking fed up with the hate train on le sserafim. People are acting so genuinely personally offended that those girls don't sing well live like it's the first time in history that a girl group didn't have stupendous vocals. Just let it go already 😒 Coachella was like 2 months ago at this point, bruh
In reality nobody cares about writers. But in kpop they need drama and hence my favourite write, produced.
yujin is the loml but she is not a better dancer than gaeul 💀 she’s a better performer.
XG is a team which includes their entire crew which includes Simon, chancellor and sienna and a lot more it's everybody's success and it's XG's success.. I have nothing but love for XG
Sm teaming up with a uk tv production company to form a boyband... simon cowell has been making noise about forming a new boy group recently, so maybe he wants in on that kpop market.
No I don’t think so because he just said there hasn’t been any boy group or group as big as one direction since there disbandment
"bubblegum nightmare, Carmeal confession" stop you're too funny 😭
carmeal 💀💀💀
Acco Reports many started apologizing since they got notices from somu, pannchoa started deleting hating articles abt Lsf(OOPS SOURCE FOR TOKKIS & MHJ CULT IS GONE😭).... like people were acting as if they did some crime.... & even started degrading their performing skills too, comparing them to avg performers just bcoz they got hate for singing
I am from the coast, close to the caribean and let me tell you, from what I have seen of them... Specially about their last track... They looked... It is hard to explain... We call it "flavour", it is a mixture of charm, sense of rythm, enjoyment and that "it" factor that makes you want to dance with them. They seems to lack that, I mean, they can be amazing dancers but if they just lack that "flavour" it just looks stiff or discordinated to me.
Off topic but Sakura in the thumbnail is so slay
That people would think that XG would not know what the social and cultural references of the verses in their songs is utterly stupid. Simon and their writers would absolutly be sure that the girls understood the slang, the cultural significance of 'rap and hip hop' and that it to be taken seriously and to never disrespect it. Since their earliest song Tippy Toes and up to New DNA GRG GVNG, one of their longtime songwriters is a Black Woman, Rachel West.
Thank you! I saw a comment on Reddit that asked if the girls knew what the term opps meant and I'm like why wouldn't they? They literally grew up listen to hip hop and r&b and still listen to it to this day. I've seen haters whine about how they don't even have black writers for their songs and just have non black people writing their music and misuse AAVE when it's actually the opposite. Other people have let them know that black people write their music yet they still choose to deny it. It's like they can't fathom the idea of Asian or any non black artists growing up with hip hop and r&b and actually knowing how to use AAVE. Apparently to them anyone who isn't black is automatically uneducated on black culture. If you're not black, they just assume you don't know how to use AAVE. Like, I'm black and I know the I've witnessed non black people using AAVE incorrectly, but it's not impossible for a non black person to actually do research and actually be educated on black culture.
You only spit only FACTS when speaking on XG!!! 🔥🔥🔥 Non-fans + haters always try to pull that “but they don’t even write their own lyrics” card like it’s just THAT easy too and in a non native language at that lol 😂
out of all ethnicity groups SM CHOOSES BRITISH, unless it aint drill barely any1 will like it, that is so stupid atp its like they have a lack of ideas
About XG, actually it's much harder to deliver lines that you have no Idea where the reference comes from mostly in rap. So I think they are being mentored about Hiphop culture as well.
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they personally love hiphop and r&b, they are deeply inspired by it, you can tell how they talk about it in interviews. They just don't throw away "swaggy" english slangs lines just for the sake of looking swag
@@silentwatcher24 "They don't throw away swaggy english slangs just for the sake of looking swag". It's ridiculous, that haters accuse them of doing that, and also accuse them of misusing AAVE and accuse them of cultural appropriation and call them racist all the time even though none of it is true. And I say this as a black person who grew up with hip hop and r&b.
ppl complaining abput XG not writing their own lyrics in their third language (which they actually started to get hands on) are just betas who are threatened that their fav groups are being taken over. there are literally the only TWO things these haters could say about XG, "they dont write their own lyrics" and "they are in korea but not kpop!", they couldn't even pick out any other flaws to say other than these two dumb complaints. come on, list me other kpop girl groups that write their own rap lines, i will wait.
they're just running out of shades to throw coz they love to compare...even if its so obvious that there's no comparison
and now kpop companies are picking up bits and pieces and copying XG style. I've noticed it on some MVs of other groups.
the only update I care to hear about from SM is what hell there doing with RV. there og, ground breaking group that's pulled them out financial distress more then it can be counted, is about to have there 10 year anniversary....aint no way IN HELL the well established, well loved, and talented members themselves should be currently speaking out on the all the DEAD SILENCE they've gotten since before last year from their own company.
SM always wanted to make big in the West. What happened to BTS is what they always aspirated to happen to their groups (SuperM).
And they keep failing spectacularly, sorry but out of the big three SM just doesn't seem to know how to properly grab a western market.
The only group that they wanted to be big in west was superM. They tried with Boa too. Rest group are just for Asian markets
I’m British, I don’t see this working at all.
I can see the radio hosts making some negative quips about them.
If it’s all British members, they’d be ignored for calling themselves a Korean group.
If they’re not British members, people will be confused as to why they’re called British.
It’ll be like some X-factor 💩 where you no longer hear of them after the contest.
The IVE one is honestly wrong. Yujin, as amazing as she is, is in fact not as precise as Gaeul. She’s more powerful (and has better stage presence/facial expressions for sure), but she’s not as good as Gaeul when it comes to technique.
Let’s not pretend that the reason she gets so much center time and the dance breaks isn’t because of her popularity and because she’s a former member of IZ*ONE.
Don’t get me wrong, I think she’s one of the best dancers in IVE for sure, but she isn’t better than Gaeul. They are pretty much on par with each other and excel in different areas.
2 - expect that they would have criticisms like this...especially those who are just crawling out of their caves hearing real rapping for the 1st time...yep, it's not just singing fast, rhymes and beats...(and the obvious that you UNDERSTAND the lyrics)....stop comparing your favorite groups to these girls and just add them to ur favorites, coz its going to be divine intervention 4 u 😂
1. And the haters who commented that shit coming out saying that they don’t deserve to get sued, bro the level of entitlement. Like bro I’m scared for Le Sserafim. I pray they’re doing okay mentally
2. I really do think the writing comments is unnecessary. Their skills are crazy and we also need to shed light on Chisa and Maya because if you watch the Shooting Star recording video, you can just tell they are itching to get more hands on in the process of making their music. I can feel writing credits coming soon
3. THEY'RE MAKING A WHAT...
Who made this idea, I need names..VCHA and Katseye is one thing.. yeah I won't say nun bout that..
BUT A WHOLE ASS BRITISH GROUP IS ANOTHER..
but hey, if we get some UK Drill then fine, i'll zip my lips and eat my words. Because lowkey? UK Drill aint bad, it's pretty fire. But if it aint that then I might just say sum !
4. AGREED !! Like.. there was some point that I was like "Yeah, Stray Kids kinda fumbled with this one".
But then when I saw the comments under Chans instagram post I was like.. "Have yall lost the plot??"
Like.. it was NASTYY.. and I was honestly horrified . Ever since the collab with Stray Kids and Charlie Puth, it has went from Educating and Boycotting to being straight up horrific in the name of Boycotting and Educating. And at this point? It's losing the plot? Do people forget that idols are humans too with emotions and feelings?? Im like "Yall are acting like the kids sold their soul to the devil", it's one english track that they might have fumbled on, but they can actually.. grow.
But hey, apparently idols were supposed to be saints..so ..
1. I wish lsf just went on hiatus of even 6 months. Thats a lot of time to improve vocally and not deal with hate to cause mental health issues.
2. XG is getting those accusations because theyre getting bigger. Haters know their faves could never so why not throw the ghost writing issue in the mix. Not all artists are going to write their music. And it's okay. What matters is if it sounds good or not.
3. Why British kpop bg?? For what?? Vcha and katseye havent been successful in any way so why bother doing that as well.
Those haters saying that XG is not writing their own lyrics etc those are kpop stan that XG outraped their fav fr ,
5. Heavy on this one ! When we look at melon top 100, it's clear that the top 3 gg in 4th gen in Korea are aespa (4 song right now on the top 100), ive (6 song on the top, love dive never leave since its released) and newjeans (8 songs, like wow).
8. True, if people can watch in theater the same movie twice or more, why can't they also attend multiples concerts?
Facts about XG! Ghost writing is a prolific and lucrative profession and many rappers today use them to write bars, so eff them haters who wanna try to slight XG’s talent
they can't find anything negative about the girls so they digging anything they could get as an excuse to hate, they are threatened
#3 Oh my. Britain isn’t the right market for a cultivating a kpop boy group. This could be really brutal
Its like people hate their life and they have to hate someone, if famous its better people love to say how they know more than the experts
This Le Sera hate-train just drew my attention to Sakura (who I never really paid attention to) and made me a big fan of her. Her stage presence has acc gone a long way to distract me from their weaker points throughout this whole thing ngl. Sucks that fans are piling on like this- hopefully having the comments off for a while will help reset the vibes.
These girls are getting death threats for breathing at this point. I understand criticism based on their vocals. No one would call them a vocal group but they are still a pretty young group. There still so much time for improvement. I hope people can look at these girls with kindness and patience in the future.
Critics on LE SERAFIM start from Coachella ...bactrack perfomance ...( dat shit not past on Coachella sory)
End internacional fans start dat ....with critics ...bat netizens finish with forse hate comments ....
#4 I dunno if it's hypocritical or not, but isn't that just how the fans show that they care about the hard work of their idol who has prepared so much to do the concert? Sure, maybe doing so can gauge the companies to work their artist more than before, but I think the contradicting stance fans have is actually refers to: everything in excessive amount is never good. Fans will complaint to the company for overworking their favs BECAUSE they are, and fans will also demand a selfie because maybe, just maybe, there are no REGULAR update from their certain favs when the other members (in the same group) have many activities or interacting with fans regularly on social media. I think companies need to manage how to regulate their artists exposure to media.
But, maybe I haven't been exposed too much to the dark side of several fandoms, so that's just my take from what I've seen.
You can’t blame MHJ completely cause the hate started because of Coachella, everyone knows that the comments were so bad even on Eunchae’s instagram after Coachella before the Hybe drama. Yes MHJ contributed but not so much cause she just said NJs was supposed to debut before them wait and the cult shit that made it worse . But it started cause of their various encores and coachella performances
Actually, I agree with you. They create the foundation for this by themselves (I mean the members and their team), they have been portrayed as to much proud of their work and achivements only for being consistent to deliver poor live stages one after another and treating fans and the public as dumbs for pretending we do not notice they only seem to "slay" their singing when they do lipsynch. And lets not pretend they have not used the easy path of controversy for promotion. I still think that if things have traspassed the line between criticism and jokes about their job and they went towards the members personal lives then the trend have gone to far away.
That women just trowed fuel to the fire but they created and fired the pit by themselves and it is so maddening that this could be avoided with a good dosis of humility here and there.
Do u even have any idea the hate propoganda & media play by mhj towards bts, illit & lsf. There were hundreds of nonsense articles released on hating these groups whenever shady stuff of hers gets out + after every article downgrading these 3 groups, the next article will be of uplifting newjeans. U think all of these are just coincidence...
Yes I agree to you somewhat but it's not just them.. since MHJ's press conference almost all hybe big groups have been slammed with hate and false accusations except NJ ofcourse ..
@@kimyoung3160 actually NJs has been affected by the international side because of BTS fans they have been affected negatively that everything they do they are bashed or treated badly
@laetitiac9890 you just need to open your eyes to the comment sections the amount of hate these other hybe groups and accusations are way way more .. imagine bringing up a Saejegi case they were already cleared for and demanding their cultural merit be taken back? Imaging hating minors (illit) even if they haven't done anything wrong.. not denying NJ has some bashers but the amount of hate is way less
99% of the kpop industry, the songs which are btw mostly the same flow, the same rhythm the same beat and lyrics all about love and relationships not written by idols themselves, XG is doing something outside the box and they are TRAINED idols. They got synergy, stability all good vocals and dance too, they're near perfect and setting the standard
why do I feel like ateez also has a forced hate train? ateez has a 2nd win and apprantly its illegally even though they had multiple categorys they needed to win in.
don’t cry is a pre-release--
#2 People forgetting that they're idols and not independent rappers, they can write their lyrics of a song getting released but their company is still the one to decide, plus even if you write the hardest bar of the century, if you cant deliver it, it's just flat. People just findin a way to hate for the sake of hating, y'all just cant accept how good XG is on every aspect
I feel so bad for LE SSERAFIM 😢
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Wait a minute. You want the LS hate train to go away, but you're perfectly happy to keep stoking the Anti-MHJ engine. MHJ had a legitimate complaint that LS debuted ahead of New Jeans, which was not what YG promised, and that YG has neglected NJ, favoring LS. That's it. MHJ has never criticized the members or their efforts. She's said that Illit has copied NJ too, but all of these are criticisms of Management, not the members. I can't see that MHJ, having worked for so long in the industry, would ever want to discourage anyone's dreams. So cool it unless it's really warranted...
Rap has a long history of some of the best being written for. But I fully suspect this group will get more and more involved as things continue and I think they even suggest stuff now at times.
Brave Sound always gives his best tracks to other groups and I still don't understand it.
Question about #1. Are insinuating that minheejin was the cause of the hate? Just a little confused 🤔. Cause I thought it was about the COCHELLA performance. I don’t remember anyone mentioning something that minheejin did to le sserafim, i thought all that she did was talk about illit. (Not trying to cause problems just like really understand before anyone of you company stans start trying to start something) 😅
6. I have an opinion about the dancer in IVE, Liz is an amazing dancer too, i noticed it after she when viral for many moves she does, the girl isn´t only and AMAZING sing but dancer too, for me is: 1. Yujin 2. Liz/Gaeul
Ik people are getting pissed with k pop going for global groups( not sonsging in korean anymore)
But i dont think its a bad idea
Its not like girl/boy groups originally started from korea
If it was a non k pop company starting a group i dont think people would be complaining.
I think one of the reason's why companies collaborate with k pop companies is because the k pop companies know how to ig " manage " a group and not make the members fall apart unlees something comes ap.
I also find it as a nice approcah to bring back groups/bands tht dont sing korea since not alot are known
And the most famous ones some have broken up or lost a member
Your whole video is flawed cuz if you take one side of the story and not take the other that means new jeans without mihi. Jin didn't have a chance. And I would say new jeans has done a much better job of promoting k-pop than unless seraphim through their talent alone
Le serrafim is literally being bullied. The "constructive criticism" ended months ago and now it's just sending death threats to them like wtf???? And these same people will act all sad and say "oh no we need to protect idols" blah blah
Knetz literally NEVER learn from past mistakes. This is no different than what they did to sulli
please half the rappers in the U.S. now days dont write their own raps, male and female rappers, so they cant even criticize idols on that anymore,
Wow, I've never seen anyone so confident to say in way you would. Now I dare you to say the exact same opinions to the respective idols.
Girl, they gonna get you SM 😂❤
don't get me wrong i'm not exactly Min Heejin's no.1 supporter but I do think the haters are only using MHJ as a face for their hate, MHJ brought up LSFM's name because it was promised to her when she signed as the ADOR CEO that NewJeans would debut before LSFM, which wasn't upholded by HYBE, and this was also brought up in court by their lawyers, I don't think MHJ wanted hate for ILLIT or LSFM at all, but felt the need to bring it up because her legal promises weren't upholded by HYBE.
Why does matter the lsfm debuted first? If anything NJ gets the advantage of being the new group (for a while) everyone's looking at. New groups are gonna debut left and right NJ won't have this shock and fresh feeling forever. If you gotta rely on that type of marketing then maybe you're doing something wrong. She probably wanted lsfm locked up in the dungeon while NJ rises.
Unless is writted, signed and registered in a commercial contract it is words.
NJ was about to be a SoMu's group.
That woman wanted her own agency so she took SoMu's trainees and team and left to work in a new agency for Hybe whille already plotting to take control of it latter if it worked.
And lets have a little of memory here, Gfriend was already being promoted as the first girl group of Hybe and Fromis 9 was the second.
That millionare woman was trowing baseless accusations in order to avoid loosing her millionare job.
Debuting first does not guarantee success. And they were already training but she wanted to make her own labels and get some of the trainees.. you cant create a whole new label right away it takes a long time so you cant blame hybe or source music for pushing through and debuting the group they had originally planned
i just want to say, i’m always active under all your videos. sometimes i will just give it a like, because i don’t have anything to say in the comments. i love all your takes.
I hope buakaw is in k-pop in the future 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Girl do you live in the Uk? I don’t know how you can talk about the attitude towards something in a country that you’re not in
I lived and studied there for YEARS.
Bts & their members are the ones who enters the uk charts , that too after damn streaming by uk armys, so u see any chance for others
@@safz15 what r u talking about😭
@@safz15It’s not just BTS lol it’s BP too. But this doesn’t justify the fact that K-pop isn’t popular here in England. The stuff they say about BTS and the whole of the K-pop industry is crazy.
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2. I don't like their raps. They're just not my type
7. Not really. If they drink starbuck that doesnt mean they support gen*cide or if they say n word that doesnt mean they support sl*very.
9. They're kindra cringe.
The hate on le serrafim is so funny lmao 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The hate that LE SSERAFIM get's is because some people are hateful idiots and have nothing better to do, trying to push the blame on Min Hee-jin is lazy and simply not true, they've been getting massive hate ever since the encore stage and hasn't stopped since, Min Hee-Jin didn't say anything wrong about LE SSERAFIM she only pointed out she was lied to because NewJeans was supposed to debut first, which is true because Huh Yun-Jin used to train with NewJeans then she was suddenly called by Hybe to join LE SSERAFIM which means NEWJEAN members was already together and formed while HYBE was still selecting members for LE SSERAFIM, True or Not True doesn't matter, there isn't anything in the statement to cause anyone to hate on anyone, It's just people so hateful they use anything they can, but by you blaming Min Hee-Jin you are taking the blame off the idiots and pointing it elsewhere.
not shit talking but but XG's lyrics are just so cringe.
their concept is really mind blowing... if only they put that much effort into making their lyrics a bit better like what is "woke up looking like this so dont get under my skin" even supposed to say. i've noticed the weird lyrics since their debut days but i thought eventually it'll get better once they find their solid sound but no its just not fitting.
I will have to admit, their lyrics are a bit odd and strange, but addictive and contagious for me. 😅🙈
lowkey agree on this. Sometimes it sounds like captions for ig posts.. but I see them getting better tho in recent comebacks.
@@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq yeah its getting better!!
@@_JustArandomMultistan_ 😭
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#2 yes flow and cadence have a big impact but like we’ve seen in the past with rappers in the west having ghostwriters does damage to your reputation, though i guess with k-pop people get away with it
The thing is, K-pop artists aren’t known for writing their own stuff and the majority are created by labels that handle their image.
The rappers you’re comparing them to are in a different genre. Kpop hip hop and actual hip hop are different culturally. Drake got called out cause he acts like he’s from the streets.
@@ZP-xyza yes that’s basically what i said