Oliver takes us through a series of drums in the Hans Zimmer Percussion library and demonstrates how to create cinematic drums. www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a-...
It phases at first until he moves them a bit more, then it loses the phase effect. I know Im not the only person in this comment section that can honestly say I had no idea about the stereo pan. Thats a big deal
honestly I thought this was gonna be some kind of sound design tutorial... I guess that´s what most people look for, since many of us don´t have the budget to buy some Hans Zimmer percussion worth hundreds of dollars. Thanks for the info though
Layering is part of sound design. Some production houses work with very tight budgets so whatever drums you can find just layer them so they don't sound cheap.
@@hristoborisov3713 : I can't pay for the ZImmer drum library either but I can apply these methods to my Drums of War lll library and they work great. I do have several Spitfire libraries that I love but I am always grateful for these tips and let's face it, a lot of us didn't know about that stereo pan feature! That was really embarrassing!
It's called the Haas Effect and it's been used forever to get a massive wall of sound especially in Rock with Distorted guitars. But I think Timbaland used on Percs as well.
He used it on perks for sure, even kicks. Dr Dre used it on kicks multiple times, even though they're low frequencies. This effect on drums sounds really good on headphones. The challenge is to make it work on mono speakers.
@@LG-bi1sr If you're going to use the Haas Effect on Kick it can only be on the higher frequency. Low frequency have to be mono otherwise you're going to end up with phase issues.
@@RonyFish Well, tell that to Dr Dre and Timberland.. lol. There are ways to make it work, but it's difficult. Even on low frequencies. There are plenty of songs with the haas effect on sub frequencies, as examples and they work
@@LG-bi1sr Nope there are none because there isn't a way around the laws of physics. You should educate yourself before posting comments like these they just makes you look stupid.
or just s t a c k t h e l a y e r s (get a bunch of realistic tom drums and layer them with different amounts of tiny delay between them, it works very well actually from my exp)
No, you wait for sales that are happening all the time and buy them at a fraction of the price. This way unlike @leo bogod you still support the creators and as a bonus you are not a thief.
Worked using Logic Pro for YEARS, and never knew the pan thing. Was always wondering why I would lose sounds in my guitar takes when panning them, biggups! Thank you for that alone.
really really cool. so good it scared me. had a dream years ago where I was outside and drums that sounded just like these were playing lmao. freaked me out but thanks for the tip!
Fantastic Video. I purchased this Plugin years ago thinking I would write epic masterpieces with this percussion, and then opted for the easy option. Years later I have returned to man up and do it right !! This is exactly what I was looking for. I find one odd qwerk this this plugin. If I double click on the NKI for most patches, it does a "roll" on the main sounds. If I drag the NKI across in Kontakt as you did, it works. Could we some weird Sonoma bug until the official Kontakt is released. Thanks ever so much, I now have an awesome template to make some awesome Orchestral epic Drums instead of relying on Damage or other looped Drums. :)
nice video, subbed. you should make one explaining what kotact is, and how to use it. I am still a little confused by it as i am used to using only sound packs in ableton
I tried playing around with Logic's stock taiko drum's EQ and applied the stereo pan....and holy moly...it already sounds epic! (atleast to my untrained ears) Guess I'll skip on percussions libraries for now😁 Btw Awesome video!!
If you’re messing around with the EQ that means you’re way more advanced than you THINK you are buddy Most people don’t even touch that cause they don’t know what to look for 😊
Hi Daniel I've been using the Cinematic Percussion library from Spitfire originals - only £29 - a lot of great stuff in there to layer up and approximate that big HZ drum sound!
Well....Haas effect. I've been doing it since Alan Meyerson recommended it for drums. It's better to do Haas on delay plugin but two tracks are also fine provided that you have enough RAM.
@@ClipofTheDayy I believe even if you don't pan you would still get phasing issues because you're layering using the same samples, they would start cancelling out each other's waveform.
@@threeeyedtribe tweak the ms delay, wet/dry knob and the cross over frequency for the wideness. Also do check it in mono from time to time to be sure it not sound off.
Phase cancellation and comb filtering when it gets summed up to mono? Or when you're sitting in a room without proper LR differentiation? Does it not lose its quality and get muddied up there? Because for any sound, if you just double it up and delay it slightly and pan it LR, it def sounds huge in stereo, but the mix doesn't translate well. I like to keep at least my low end clean and get width by panning the higher instruments (different toms, snares, metals) across the spectrum. So you get a tight low end and width both. I understand that orchestral music is mostly made stereo and all strings and brass sections sound good wider only, but I guess the rhythm should always be tight, especially the low end, for the sake of better translation of the mix to any auditorium/studio/BT speaker. PS: I'm open to a healthy discussion/correction if I'm doing this wrong, and not trying to point anything out. 🙈
Why do you drag one track a little to the right while reducing volume for the first track? obviously it sounds good but I'm curious as to what the purpose of that is. Thanks!
when you pan the same signal on two tracks to the left AND the right, your brain perceives it as the same and you still hear it coming from the "center" position (from the left AND the right speaker). if you drag one a little bit, your brain is able to hear the difference, so only then the panning actually makes sense. just try it by copy-pasting and panning, it's crazy when you haven't done it yourself 🙂
But how do I get the original drum sound. I’m so thick I’ve never used logic before, I’m a classical musician who’s never had a Mac. Someone please help
Rhodri Williams he’s using a sample library that Spitfire made. They come like that. If you have just normal drums, the right eq and compression, plus some reverb and light distortion should get you in the same ballpark
Damn, I'd be hoping it wasn't one relying on Kontakt. I hate that those libraries cost thousands of dollars, cuz a college student like myself doesn't have that kinda money atm lol
Oh, my mistake. I didn't notice. Don't know why he removed the room sound. Air Studio sound is the crown jewel of Spitfire's libraries. Listening to the close mics alone was hard to digest.
bro you just created a phase sounds, I really don't agree the idea of creating stereo of the same exact sample, you would instead use totally something else
Dude, you've got so many Phase shifting that it hurts! Trick (editing cut) is OK, nice idea, etc... but for the love of God how's this with this kind of Phase shifting on Spitfire Audio "tutorials"? Come on people. Be serious! Or is it really that you don't care. Or don't know anything about that? This latter is somewhat suspicious and seems not to be possible but stil…
What tempo? you forgot to say... No tempo, No midi seq useless video. Update your stereo widening method, we are in 2024... Forget this method from the 90, also the stereo delay must be synchronized with the tempo, yours isn't.
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How to make cinematic drums: start with a cinematic drum sample. FINE.
You can have Originals Cinematic Percussion for 29€, and from my experience, it does the job :)
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Bodied💯
@@thedolorpolar what about stock taikos in logic?
@@NikosKatsikanis I can’t give an opinion on Logic’s stock instruments, sorry (I use GarageBand normally)
"Phasing with Oliver"
That's the proper title.
what does that mean, wadu fak
It phases at first until he moves them a bit more,
then it loses the phase effect. I know Im not the only person
in this comment section that can honestly say I had no idea
about the stereo pan. Thats a big deal
basically this is a haas effect tutorial
honestly I thought this was gonna be some kind of sound design tutorial... I guess that´s what most people look for, since many of us don´t have the budget to buy some Hans Zimmer percussion worth hundreds of dollars. Thanks for the info though
Layering is part of sound design. Some production houses work with very tight budgets so whatever drums you can find just layer them so they don't sound cheap.
@@mrsoso5500 there is pro's and cons to layering.
Pirate it lol
This is by far the easiest and most informative explanation on how to write epic percs I've seen. Thank you so much!
yes it easy, just pay crazy money for good quality sounds
@@hristoborisov3713 : I can't pay for the ZImmer drum library either but I can apply these methods to my Drums of War lll library and they work great. I do have several Spitfire libraries that I love but I am always grateful for these tips and let's face it, a lot of us didn't know about that stereo pan feature! That was really embarrassing!
Stereo pan ??!! All these years without that knowledge until now. Thanks Oliver!
It's called the Haas Effect and it's been used forever to get a massive wall of sound especially in Rock with Distorted guitars. But I think Timbaland used on Percs as well.
He used it on perks for sure, even kicks. Dr Dre used it on kicks multiple times, even though they're low frequencies. This effect on drums sounds really good on headphones. The challenge is to make it work on mono speakers.
@@LG-bi1sr If you're going to use the Haas Effect on Kick it can only be on the higher frequency. Low frequency have to be mono otherwise you're going to end up with phase issues.
@@RonyFish Well, tell that to Dr Dre and Timberland.. lol. There are ways to make it work, but it's difficult. Even on low frequencies. There are plenty of songs with the haas effect on sub frequencies, as examples and they work
@@LG-bi1sr Nope there are none because there isn't a way around the laws of physics. You should educate yourself before posting comments like these they just makes you look stupid.
Just buy 2000$ of sample libraries. Done!
lol, true
yeah and add a constant flam effect dragging one doubled track off
or just s t a c k t h e l a y e r s (get a bunch of realistic tom drums and layer them with different amounts of tiny delay between them, it works very well actually from my exp)
No, you wait for sales that are happening all the time and buy them at a fraction of the price.
This way unlike @leo bogod you still support the creators and as a bonus you are not a thief.
@@Pieter_Auper when r the sales?
These videos are always gold, every little tip is so useful
That set up is to die for! Great work
That right click and change to stereo pan just blew my mind! omg
Thanks Oliver! Would love to see your studio once, as i'm based in Amsterdam as well :)
great video! your suit jacket reminds me of watching hans' master-class
Thank you, Oliver! And wish you the best :-)
Worked using Logic Pro for YEARS, and never knew the pan thing. Was always wondering why I would lose sounds in my guitar takes when panning them, biggups! Thank you for that alone.
Newer to Logic but same 😭😭😭
Thank you for making the video it was great! I appreciate you sharing
Great tut as always.
Thanks.
I love it! Thank you for this.
really really cool. so good it scared me. had a dream years ago where I was outside and drums that sounded just like these were playing lmao. freaked me out but thanks for the tip!
You’ve just unlocked a mystery for me. Thank you
i never knew that about the panning bro, wow. thank you!
Super helpful! Thanks so much!
That was AWESOME, Oliver.
its a great video. Thank you for sharing!
Great tip! Thanks!
Fantastic Video. I purchased this Plugin years ago thinking I would write epic masterpieces with this percussion, and then opted for the easy option. Years later I have returned to man up and do it right !! This is exactly what I was looking for. I find one odd qwerk this this plugin. If I double click on the NKI for most patches, it does a "roll" on the main sounds. If I drag the NKI across in Kontakt as you did, it works. Could we some weird Sonoma bug until the official Kontakt is released. Thanks ever so much, I now have an awesome template to make some awesome Orchestral epic Drums instead of relying on Damage or other looped Drums. :)
Great info!
excellent !
This is so epic. It sounds like I'm summoning an army of branded orcs and uruks to take down the Nazgul.
Great, thank u!
nice video, subbed. you should make one explaining what kotact is, and how to use it. I am still a little confused by it as i am used to using only sound packs in ableton
Thnk you for your tips
Great video, going to use war drums, for a track im making for my sports team song.
I tried playing around with Logic's stock taiko drum's EQ and applied the stereo pan....and holy moly...it already sounds epic! (atleast to my untrained ears)
Guess I'll skip on percussions libraries for now😁
Btw Awesome video!!
If you’re messing around with the EQ that means you’re way more advanced than you THINK you are buddy
Most people don’t even touch that cause they don’t know what to look for
😊
We need a good drum LABS because I can't afford these sounds atm
Hi Daniel I've been using the Cinematic Percussion library from Spitfire originals - only £29 - a lot of great stuff in there to layer up and approximate that big HZ drum sound!
This is such a coool trick
You talk about reverb... Do you use the reverb within your plug or will you disable it during the mix, to use a send effect in your daw?
Well....Haas effect. I've been doing it since Alan Meyerson recommended it for drums. It's better to do Haas on delay plugin but two tracks are also fine provided that you have enough RAM.
Logic's Sample Delay plugin is perfect for this.
Stereo Delay is better for it
Am I the only one hearing phasing when the same sample happens to be triggered at the same time?
No I kinda hear it too. kinda like a "poppy" sound?
when you do that stereo trick, phasing is very common,
@@ClipofTheDayy I believe even if you don't pan you would still get phasing issues because you're layering using the same samples, they would start cancelling out each other's waveform.
@@PC-oi3dw true
i believe you should mix each one differently
There's also effect plugins for stereo delay if you're not a fan of having two separate track for one instrument
which plugin can u recommend for this?
@@b.z9940 Ozone Imager 2, free plugin. Logic’s Stereo and Sample delays are also good.
@@b.z9940 Guitar rig "deep & wide drums" preset
@@LG-bi1srgotta try this one!!
@@threeeyedtribe tweak the ms delay, wet/dry knob and the cross over frequency for the wideness. Also do check it in mono from time to time to be sure it not sound off.
wait, are you connected a plugin to your electro piano? Or It's basic sample in this one synthesizer?
Can you use these sample packs on different music programs like akai mpc?
What kind of mic are you using please? (brand/model number) Thanks.
Duplicate track and panning helpful for me. Thank you.
super helpfull, thanks mate ;+) Now my drums sounds like I am calling for my army.
🔥🔥🔥
Phase cancellation and comb filtering when it gets summed up to mono? Or when you're sitting in a room without proper LR differentiation? Does it not lose its quality and get muddied up there? Because for any sound, if you just double it up and delay it slightly and pan it LR, it def sounds huge in stereo, but the mix doesn't translate well. I like to keep at least my low end clean and get width by panning the higher instruments (different toms, snares, metals) across the spectrum. So you get a tight low end and width both. I understand that orchestral music is mostly made stereo and all strings and brass sections sound good wider only, but I guess the rhythm should always be tight, especially the low end, for the sake of better translation of the mix to any auditorium/studio/BT speaker.
PS: I'm open to a healthy discussion/correction if I'm doing this wrong, and not trying to point anything out. 🙈
Why do you drag one track a little to the right while reducing volume for the first track? obviously it sounds good but I'm curious as to what the purpose of that is. Thanks!
when you pan the same signal on two tracks to the left AND the right, your brain perceives it as the same and you still hear it coming from the "center" position (from the left AND the right speaker). if you drag one a little bit, your brain is able to hear the difference, so only then the panning actually makes sense. just try it by copy-pasting and panning, it's crazy when you haven't done it yourself 🙂
Is there an option for stereo panning with fl studio?
use fruity stereo shaper
Needs more cowbell.
j/k
sounds great. Amazing tutorial. :)
Also Warframe vibes too since lots and lots of taiko drumming.
hey, est ce que possible de m’aider pour un petit truc stp? j’ai vraiment du mal avec le son ..
Im only at 3 minute and already... Thank you!
Don't understand what's the problem with the people who Dislikes every content.
What about dislike guy
is there a stripped down Kontakt Player epic drum library for under ~$50?
@@johna4457 I love it! been looking everywhere--thank you
I sometimes get phasing problems if I do that… Especially with snare. Is there a way to counter that?
It usually means they are still too close to one another. Try dragging the other track even more, until you can notice a delay.
You need to delay the second signal by at least 10ms and you can go up to 40ms
Nice Army
The Stereo Delay plugin might let you do that offset trick without the extra track.
Yes, Ozone Imager has a Haas Effect Stereoize function, and is a completely free plugin.
Try the "deep & wide drums" preset on the free version of guitar rig. It has everything you'll need to do this properly
Spitfire vids are getting darker and darker!
up to your room, you are grounded!
Kit what
But how do I get the original drum sound. I’m so thick I’ve never used logic before, I’m a classical musician who’s never had a Mac. Someone please help
Rhodri Williams he’s using a sample library that Spitfire made. They come like that. If you have just normal drums, the right eq and compression, plus some reverb and light distortion should get you in the same ballpark
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Elad Alice .....
The mixing part is just another laying part lol. would have loved to see some eq and compressors etc.
where I can find this plugin/sounds?
hundreds of dollars for their overpriced sound library
@@da_ath it’s just 400$ ...
Now do one for people that haven't spent $700AUD on your custom Hans Zimmer sample libraries please Spitfire.
British Drama Toolkit?
Saw that as well!
Phasing happening a lot please fix your stereo imaging! good ideas but amateur processing and mixing
Damn, I'd be hoping it wasn't one relying on Kontakt. I hate that those libraries cost thousands of dollars, cuz a college student like myself doesn't have that kinda money atm lol
You can use this trick called the Haas effect with any samples
@@ozymandias2726 explain
So much phase cancellation when you delay the track
But... I'm hearing lots of phasing from the same samples being played slightly offset L/R channels ...
God damn this is the sound I want. But how do you creeaaaate it, not buy it.
phase issues
I don't know, but I don't like the sound of the Taikos at all. It felt like there's no room sound in them.
They were in the close mic position. If you want, you can use the room or surround mics. Or, drown them in reverb.
Oh, my mistake. I didn't notice. Don't know why he removed the room sound. Air Studio sound is the crown jewel of Spitfire's libraries. Listening to the close mics alone was hard to digest.
Diego de la Vega Yeah, that’s why I just stuck with the HZ01 library instead of this new one.
How to make anything cinematic: First you need like 500 dollars for this sample pack.
$400?
Did anyone tell you you look like Tom Hiddleston
bro you just created a phase sounds, I really don't agree the idea of creating stereo of the same exact sample, you would instead use totally something else
how to make if you dont have NI and just logic
REVERB DELAY, REVERB DELAY
What is better than a taiko? Spoiler ahead: nothing is better than a taiko.
first step to achieving cinematic drums: buy a 400 dollar sample library. ok
I have no money for konkakt
... and then you listen to it in mono...
Too soft; more cannon! :D
30 second fixing phase issues. even experts too huh? lol
Dude, you've got so many Phase shifting that it hurts! Trick (editing cut) is OK, nice idea, etc... but for the love of God how's this with this kind of Phase shifting on Spitfire Audio "tutorials"? Come on people. Be serious! Or is it really that you don't care. Or don't know anything about that? This latter is somewhat suspicious and seems not to be possible but stil…
What tempo? you forgot to say... No tempo, No midi seq useless video. Update your stereo widening method, we are in 2024... Forget this method from the 90, also the stereo delay must be synchronized with the tempo, yours isn't.