Petzl TIBLOC - old / new - reliability!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2022
- The Petzl TIBLOC is ideal to keep on the harness to help with many unforeseen situations. It can probably be used for top rope solo setups (new TIBLOC only) if used in conjunction with a reliable primary device. More testing will be needed as I often find there is a failure mode I did not think about... Your comments are more than welcome! :-) Be safe out there!
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I really enjoy your detailed explanations and how you are wlling to spend time finding trying different scenarios where devices may fail. Thanks a lot
Thank you Fernando!
"i would wait a little while to send you flames" 🤣
The New Tibloc is great- I used it for toprope solo for months before I switched to a micro traxion. I originally used a regular black diamond locking caribiner, but switched to the petzl sm'd after crossloading and damaging my rope in falls. Never had much issue after switching to the sm'd caribiner. I will say, It's not as easy to unload the rope with the new tibloc as it is with a microtraxion or a nanotraxion, which is the main reason I don't use the tibloc anymore. I honestly think it's safer than a microtraxion, since I've occasionally accidentally left my microtraxion disengaged. The nanotraxion is the current best ascender imo, with the only drawback being slightly more resistance than a new tibloc or microtraxion (which I could use a single shoe as a counterweight for)... But if I tie both my shoes as a counterweight, the friction is overcome
Thanks for adding the data!!!!
Great work!
nice video. I agree on the comment made, to put the carabiner over the rope. I agree with your conclusion, but much more restrictive. Anything with teeth, ascenders, basic, croll asap, etc will cut the sheath at 250kg. For a static load; ones grabbed it can hold 350-400kg. Anything with teeth that is expected to catch a fall ALWAYS has to be supplemented with the right absorber. So even the new TiBloc i would use for selfrescue, hauling a person or loads, great as an emergency ascender (in a texas or RAD system, with a Roll Clip carabiner (ideal to have combo for toprope/glacier problems:) but never as a fall backup.
I own and recommend this product.
New Tibloc with old attaché or the other large bar-stick carabiners is extremely good.
In TIBLOC manual is used BOTH WAYS, you can put carabiner through both tibloc and rope or just through tibloc.
HowNOT2 did a video on this. I'd still be sketched out, but pull test seemed to agree. But I'd be sketched out
@@maxgotts5895Tibloc is made from stainless steel so i think it should be fine in both ways😉
I use this for hunting as my safty line loops around the tree it's easy to adjust as I'm going up or down.
Interesting! There can be better options but this one is light and cheap! If you want the best, look at the grigri and the LOV2/ LOV3.
I always used the tiblock as a backup and didn’t understand why it was not recommended until I saw the old one.
(I’m not a pro or anything lol)
Hi YCB, interesting video, thank you. I have a suggestion, why don't you try to place a rubber band (suitable size) that goes around the OLD T-Block with the two bites on one side and on the other side of the carabiner and try if it locks better once pulled down?
The idea is to keep the carabiner as close as possible to the rope. I am sure a rubber band is weak enough not to increase too much friction when you pull your T-Block up the rope.
Hi Yann, big fan of the channel, however, it appears that you are not using the tibloc correctly. The carabiner should be clipped around the rope, so that once loaded it pinches the rope into the teeth. This will make it grab better, both for the old style and new style tibloc. Check the manual.
Thanks Denis for your comment. The manual of the tibloc version 1 specified to NOT clip the rope through the carabiner. The manual of the version 2 (orange in my video) specifies that it is ok to clip it both ways. I think I was not aware that it was acceptable to clip the rope with the new model thanks!! I notice that most drawings in the manual of version 2 clip the rope inside the carabiner. So I believe I am using the tibloc correctly but learned something since this video!! Thanks.
I say totally not a backup belay device for solo-tr
But definitely far superior to the original
Ok, I'm selling my old ones
getting into TRS. Already have the tibloc and just got the CT RollnLock. Wonder if this is recommended and safe.
If you never fall, yes. But I would recommend not to include a tibloc in a TRS system. Having tibloc + RnL might be safer than just the RnL. My advice is: I know it's hard to find a comprehensive and reliable source of information on this topic. That's why I did my research, bought equipment, experimented and adopted a way to teach rope soloing. I like to refer to my complete online courses. My reasons are the following:
-It is dangerous to have partial information about security systems
-I need an income to continue my mission to teach and innovate
I would love to help you find answers to your questions! I suggest the following solutions:
-An in-person course (blissclimbing-com.translate.goog/fr/formations/?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en)
-An online course (blissclimbing.com/en/online-courses/)
-A subscription to my Patreon (I answer on the platform) (www.patreon.com/blissclimbing)
I prefer to refer to complete courses. The courses should answer 99% of your questions and show you more things you haven't even thought of AND that are essential to being effective and safe! For any remaining questions, I answer every question asked by my clients and try to post everything on the hidden private Facebook groups reserved for buyers of online courses so that all buyers can benefit. I also very often add content to the courses because there is so much to say and teach on the subject AND I still learn quite often! You can always ask your questions on the “regular” public Facebook rope solo groups, but you won't get all correct answers and probably nothing complete. That's why my suggestion is to take the courses!! Looking forward to seeing you buy a course: you will be happy with your choice!!!
@YannCamusBlissClimbing thanks for the quick response. Def keen on getting the course. My plan is to use micro traxion and RollnLock, just waiting for the traxion to be shipped.
@@bobleeswagger92 I’m happy you consider the micro traxion to go along the RollNLock. The micro traxion is not to be missed.
I've actually used the new tibloc for a few years for toprope solo as my main device. I've never had it fail or slip on me.
The way i attach it is a bit different from you, I clip the carabiner through the rope and into the device. So in case the device breaks i will still be attached to the rope via the carabiner.
My backup device is a prussik that I attach above the tibloc, the tibloc will then push the prussik up when I'm climbing. Also use backup knots.
No chest harness needed for this setup, and it's very light and fast to set up.
Without a chest harness or something to hold it up in a vertical orientation, you increase the shock loading of it when “falling” on it which increases the possibility of sheath wear/damage.
That is insane! I went to read the manual again (old and new) and the old permitted both ways to clip the device. The new allows only to clip as you say. What I show in my video is "against the manual" for the new TIBLOC...
As for your complete setup, do you work as an arborist? The prusik can be a problem because there are so many variables (cord material, thickness of cord/rope, how stiff/supple is the cord, exact knot used, how it is dressed, how many wraps, etc.). Therefore, I don't recommend a prusik. Ultimately it is your call! Good luck with that!
What rope diameter do you use? Model? Thanks!
@@SICgrips the fall distance is the length of your carabiner, so very small.
@@YannCamusBlissClimbingI use the black diamond static rope, i think it's 10.5mm.
I use a regular D carabiner instead of the big HMS ones, i find it glides easier on the rope.
@@YannCamusBlissClimbing You should edit the video to point out that it's not installed per the manufacturer's recommendation. Also, I'm curious which model has more resistance on the rope (requiring it to be weighted for solo TR) Tibloc, microtrax etc... Thanks
Love your videos. Love the tibloc. But I'm sure some proud French person at Petzl is upset at the way you're pronouncing ty-block 😉
As French Canadians, we are allowed to perform such alterations in the pronunciation of words :)
@@jeromelavoie899 I understand completely. It's just that it stands for "petit blocateur". Thank you for poutine and Gilles Villeneuve, btw
Read instructions on Petzl site. You are using it incorrectly and showing others the wrong way.
I believe both ways are correct with the new tibloc. The way I show was how the old one was recommended. You see?
He use in correct way becouse in tibloc manual is show two picture use both ways and in the midle is OR
The old ones are fine, just weight them so they grip first, it's not foolproof so don't be a fool.