You're (Probably) Not Tuning Your Guitar Correctly
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- You've probably been tuning your guitars wrong for years. Let's go over how to tune your guitar or bass properly!
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Chapters
00:00 - Guitar Tuning Is A Pain
00:18 - RIFF A vs RIFF B
1:15 - Guitars Are Tempremental
1:33 - Tuning Method 1
2:57 - Tuning Method 2
5:41 - How To Do Tuning Method 2 - เพลง
Who’s up tuning their guitars???
Just tuned mine🦅
Tuning piano, am I still viable?
bro you are NOT the tuner ☝️ 🤬🤬🤬
in the studio straight up "tuning it"... and by "it".. well, haha.. lets justr say.. my pentatonics
Me cuz it’s 11 am over here
I'm over here tuning my guitar. I got tuners on my headstock right now. I'm just tuning my shit I'm in tune as fuck man I'm a musician man like for real.
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Bro you good?💀
Morty vibes lol
Nah fr though
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“tune for the attack, not the decay” - great point 👌
This was useful info, especially when using tuners that are built into plugins, since they are so sensitive.
Depends on the type of music.
Unless you play doom. 😊
@@bigpiper2103 There are only two kinds of people I have eternal respect for:
1. Doom Slayer
2. Doom Player
I like being in chune
Lol
Arr nauuurrr, I don't like that
Works in the Philippines!
Gotta have a good chuner.
with every day that passes, an evertune looks more and more appealing
I was really sceptical about Evertune. Now I own 2 guitars with evertune. My first one for overall a year and I don't want to miss it anymore. I played some gigs with it and not to be worried at all about tuning is such a relief.
I’ve owned one for over 3 years….its great but if u like thick heavy chugs it’s not the bridge for u….the low end isn’t there like fixed or tremolo
@@harshtruth9148 I play Drop D and mostly Higain. For me it's doing its job just fine.
@@harshtruth9148I’ve never had an issue with the low end at all, chugs like anything else
@@ejw3006 I love it but it just doesn’t sound as good as my other guitars
I always lower the strings out of tune and then back up to pitch. Downward tuning to pitch promotes the string’s natural ability to unwind.
Also, in the entirety of my guitar playing, I tune the way you do: I tune the highest string first and tune everything relative to it. I then strum a chord and if the chord is out of tune, I adjust whichever string wavers. At the end of the day, unless you have an extremely unique talent and a lot of strings, you’re going to be fretting your instrument more often than not, so tune to the chords.
I've always just kind of done this intuitively. I didn't know there was a real reason to, I just thought it feels "correct" 😂
@@pandawithanorange That’s how I stumbled upon it.
This is so spot on. Once your ear gets to this point, the worst part is writing / playing with other people who can't even tell they're out of tune.
Try four-part harmony above the 12th fret together with other guitars. Have fun.
Yeah dude, i just sadly look down when people around are happy with strumming out of tune chords
I feel like its bad for your soul to hear out of tune shit
i could hear that riff A was more in tune, in the chord example of just intonation vs 12TET. but i gotta say, i really did like the way example B sounded more. just a bit more bite in there. love that grating sound
I thought B was more in tune, imagine my surprise. I'm usually wrong about most things so I shouldn't be surprised.
I agree, B sounded more agressive and interesting, for me in both examples.
Same
If only there were a way to do this without going absolutely insane
Evertune
@@666dreamboatmoney
Just get a fretless, you can hit anything perfect every time and you were clearly already insane when you bought it
The video is very on point, but it lacks one CRITICAL note that a looooooot of people miss all the time: INTONATION!
Intonation is the hardest thing to do to your guitar to make it setup for tuning. If its not intonated, then your open string will sound good but the rest of the notes wont be.
So you have to intonate your guitar first, on decaying/let ring open strings, then play on your 12th fret (octave / diapason accuracy), then re-tune on the attack. Tuning on a chord can be very peculiar and might ruin the tuning of the open strings if the intonation is not done correctly. And another important point: the position of the guitar while tuning (always on a playing position, not layed on its back).
Final note: if you're seeking perfect tuning in all your frets and all your strings, I highly recommend pitch correction or autotune, but you won't be "natural" anymore.
Anyways, very controversial topic you invoked here Keyan!
Always tune up to the note as well. Keep tension behind the nut. Helps hold tune better. All great points here that I've used for ages too.
5:50 That's funny because B actually sounds better. More exciting and emotional. A sounds kinda flat and inoffensive. The very slight beating of notes against each other add some kind of liquidness to it. Haven't thought about it when it comes to guitar but it's very familiar from synthesizers. When you tune up something like a Minimoog you usually intentionally detune the OSCs a bit to get that chorus-like feel that makes for a super fat sawtooth sound.
ughhh love that Periphery riff
I learned this 10 years ago when I was the first time in studio to do my first professional recording,the guitar was perfectly intonated and setup,but the recording engineer had me to track the chords separately and on it's own. That was indeed an eye opener and made me realize that there is no perfect intonated/setup guitar.
I dont tune to chords all the time, but I do typically tune my strings at the 7th fret instead of open. E string harmonic is the same as 7th fret A, A string harmonic is 7thfret D and so on.
I do this because of the convenience of the harmonic, but also because that's the spot on the fretboard where being in tune is more challenging. open strings will be in tune, but without a perfectly intonated instrument, other notes will be way out.
if the seventh fret is on point, its a good compromise between maybe being a little sharp higher up and maybe a little flat lower down, but only by a few cents. practically imperceptible
Eric Johnson mentioned getting better tuning results by starting with the G string, and working outwards. He mentions this in the first part of his video "Eric Johnson Fine Art of Guitar" available on YT. His reason is fascinating and insightful.
It's all preference. I liked B more both times. I never really tune my guitar to the line anyway. Waste of time and unless you have a super quality instrument, you'll be battling your tuning instead of playing. On top of that, guitars up the fret board aren't in tune anyway, they're just good enough.
All I do is start low, stretch the string, then I tune up until it gets close to pitch on the flat side. Works great!
There are also different intonation techniques that work better for certain cords. Depending on what you play more. Also Thats why some companies use a compensated nut on the guitar, cause it in theory makes your guitar intonated at the nut and bridge. If the nut is cut to the proper scale of the instrument, it does work. There are so many different things that can make a guitar sound out of tune. But I still say, if your guitar it set up right once new strings are on, the guitar will play and sound SO much better than just slapping new string on and playing. Cause even the neck moving a bit can throw a guitar out of intonation.
Guitar intonation is very important to the tuning of your guitar I realised. I was having major issues where my open strings were in tune but when I started to play chords it would sound awful until I properly intonate my guitar and now it sounds amazing.
With the guitar being fretted, there’s only so much you can do with intonation.
Take major and minor chords, for example - the major third in a C major chord (E) will be flatter than a typical E in that scale in order for the notes and underlying harmonics to blend, and the Eb will be sharper the C minor chord.
That’s just one example of many, but fretted instruments can only do so much - it becomes more like tuning a piano at that point
So what u are saying is that i need an evertune true temperament multiscale aristides 7 string in blood red burst with abasi fishman so i can be in tune right?
yes. especially the abasi fishman, those are definitely the most in tune pickups out there. trust me
Jesus that periphery riff is so good
funny thing i noticed is when it came to the chord riff example, i preferred B. might just be what my ears are used to
riff A when you played prayer position sounded better, but the opposite was true for the other one
I find when pitching the lower strings in lower tunings, playing the harmonic on the 5 fret helps. The pure note works better with a tuner instead of a longer wave pitching up and down.
I actually had this thought a few days ago when I was tuning my guitar for recording. I wasn't sure whether it was just my cheap guitar that was causing a difference in tuning between the attack and decay of the note. So I tried tuning it to the attack.
Now I know this is an actual thing I'll be making sure I am more conscientious when tuning now
Yes a thousand time yes ! Can't even stand why some people tune to drop D or so without picking like they would actually pick when playing the guitar.
One cool thing to look into is sweetened tunings like on the Peterson Strobo Tuners. They do a good job accounting for intonation and finding the best median.
Tbf, I never knew the “proper” method for tuning guitars but after 15 years in, I’ve been doing pretty well this whole time. I tune as close as a can with my guitar and adjust with my playing almost subconsciously.
Also, violin, cello, etc do this on steroids.
The Peterson tuners are really nice, they’re the only tuners I can use to tune my Washburn with the buzz feiten system.
Peterson tuners are fantastic, i love especially the sweetened tunes; they show you minimal, but important differences that standard tuners can't!
I prefer Buzz-Feiten-E-Tuning, and although i have no BF-setup on my guitar, it just sounds gorgeous!
Used to have people quickly drop off their guitar with just the request of "set it up" and come back to find out the setup isn't quite for them or their style and have to redo it. Now I make sure I get to know the person as best I can so I can decide things like tuning methods. Great video!
Man your dedication is stellar, huge things in your future.
Another thing that I've found really affects tuning is the temperature of the hardware on the guitar. If the bridge is really cold, like on a winter's night, the strings will also be super cold and therefore sharp. I can take a while for it to normalise. If you plan on doing a lot of chuggy stuff, it'll go out of tune a fair bit in the first 10-15 minutes of play. I don't know if a lot of others have picked up on that. People tend to blame a lot of that on the weather 'affecting the neck' but I've noticed that the bridge acts like a heat sink and can mess up your tuning.
I'd seen a recent video on the same topic of "tuning per chord" on like the JST channel or something. To me it seems ridiculous and overboard. When I record I want to play through the part for as long as I can to get a good performance, not a perfect recording. Of course I'll punch in things like pinch harmonics or whatever, but I like to play the guitar parts. I don't want to break it down to a chord by chord or note by note process. We've been perfectly fine with "less in tune" guitars since their inception, so I don't see the point. If someone wants to spend their time doing that for a tiny improvement, the they can, but tuning is one of my least favourite parts of playing guitar, so I'd rather not do it more than I absolutely have to. 😅
The amount of guitarists I've told this and they looked at me like I was dumb. 😮💨
Great video Keyan!
Thanks for this video! Currently I'm in the process of recording a new song and I'm really tired of tuning intonation and other stuff, so I've decided to tune the guitar for every riff individually and that's the only approach that actually does the job for me (not perfect but way better than just tuning open strings).
With equal temperament only octaves are going to be bang on. Then on top of that the guitar isn’t consistent across the fretboard no matter what you do. If you tune a chord to sound better then you’re probably sacrificing tuning somewhere else. Meaning after you record the passage you tuned to you will need to change tunings again when you move on to the next section of music. But if you think your bang on in tune because you expensive tuner says so your not listening properly.
Good tips. I'd also add that you should tune up to the note, not down. Makes a real difference.
Also, one tip I learned recently was to intonate each string based upon where you do most of your playing on it. High strings you want to go intonate further up the string, lower strings, further down - assuming widdly leads and chugs respectively.
I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to tuning to how you play, but just understanding the flaws of tuning fundamentally, and attack/decay.
As an example, on my 8 string I usually tune to the attack, but often picking less hard as I go to the higher strings. On my 7 string I explicitly tune the lowest string to decay, just because I like the sound of the pitch going up and coming back down, and part of that is just because I like the sound of those djent riffs where they prebend the string, and I think it also sounds awesome when hitting the low open note really hard.
You're right. But I've been playing since the early '80s took me about 10 or 12 years before I started doing that. One more thing you didn't mention is that when tuning always bring the note up don't detune to the note. I strike it bring it flat and then bring it right up to pitch. Pretty good video thank you
There’s a fine line between perfection and feeling. I prefer leaning towards the feeling side. The more perfection looses a quality that makes music human. To each his own though.
is everyone just gonna ignore how clean that take of prayer position was
The second tuning method demonstration with the chord was definitely much more obvious than the first one. There was a slight waver in the chord.
There are a lot more to take into consideration if you want the "perfect tuning" in every fret, like the bridge adjustment, the action on your guitar, the intonation, how hard you press the strings, etc... The first problem can be solved using an evertune (I know periphery use guitars with evertune with low tunings like Reptile) so it doesn't matter how hard you pick the strings, it will be always in tune. Also using the right string gauge for the tuning is important to reduce the loose of the string in case you don't have an evertune.
Thanks for the video!
I've learned this by accident by having a poorly intonated guitar in the past. I'd basically have to tune my guitar to whatever riff/song I was gonna play. Tuning for the attack, not the decay for recording is something I've never thought about.Thanks for that!
Was not expecting to hear prayer position... my ears are blessed
Great tips. I recently gave in and started using the "sweeteners" with Peterson strobe tuners.
I think they program them to essentially have offsets baked in per pitch, especially if you're using a 7 string/baritone, or any of the many other strung instruments at our disposal.
Peterson rules!
My 6-string runs perfect with Buzz-Feiten-Tuning.
Love Strobo-Tuners; they hear and show what you can't even see with a standard-tuner.
prayer position mentioned :0
which mode of LockOn Tuner do you prefer for "tuning to attack" ?
Great question, I actually go on the slow mode. I specifically asked for this feature when I got to beta test the plugin
@@KeyanHoushmandLive nice! 👍 I found myself using it too! It's just easier in use
This makes a lot of sense. I been doing this forever now without realizing it lol. Throughout the years i realized if i tune my guitars to the tuner until the light is green my guitar is never perfectly in tune. Like the high e is always a lil sharp when i tune by how hard I pick. So ive always used my tuner as a starting point then fine tuned my string with how i hear it thru my amp and I pay attention to how much the strings vibrate when i play chords and then it stays perfectly in tune, but never rlly used ur method of just hitting the string until it goes green on the tuner as a starting point. Gnna try that later.
Anyone who has used dropped tuning has known this without knowing it. You heard that low end a lil sharp. I always tune the lowest string by ear for this
The science behind something as simple as tuning a guitar is crazy. Awesome discussion
I just watched the video Joe from GetGood Drums posted about this very topic yesterday, it is super interesting and I will almost certainly adopt it. I have tuned for the pick attack for a long time, but not for the chord!
Since GGD video I saw several yt channels explaining the same topic. They don’t know what to release.
First riff example I greatly preferred Riff A no question. Second riff example I'm surprised to find myself liking Riff B's looser and more dissonant sound. When it comes to chords, perfectly tuning the entire chord will completely depend on whether your priority is clarity or a noisy bite but I reckon both have their uses.
Crap.
You're right you know.
I've only been playing extreme metal for 30 years and this never occurred to me. I'm hammering the crap out of my Ernie Balls and then tuning after the attack stops.
Explains a lot.
Yeah but if you listen to Morbid Angel, Death etc, their lead-guitars are always slightly out of tune, and that is what gives them their typical "sick" Death-Metal vibe. There is more to intonation than just being "right" or "wrong", but that is a really really deep rabbit-hole.
@@johannalvarsson9299 Not to mention of course, it's impossible to be "in tune" perfectly in 12 intervals on a guitar with straight frets.
My guitars always sound out of tune unless I tune it to my fretting style. I tend to fret the low strings heavily which makes the notes sharp. That means that I always tune low strings flat, i.e. low E would be 6% flat, A 2%, the rest being more or less on-point.
This is actually really interesting. Thanks so much for this vid. Its got my thinking about why some of my recordings sound out of tune.
Do you ever tune with a clean tone to hear the interval better? Or is that not worth it
6:18 fun physics fact about that wavering sound - two different but numerically close frequencies (eg 250hz and 254hz) produce 'beats' when they're overlayed, and the frequency of the beats is equal to the difference between the waves (so 254-250 = 4). i'm sure you know that if you bend up on one string and hit the same note on a higher string you can adjust the frequency of that trill by slightly bending higher and lower, so you're just increasing or decreasing the number of beats. the reason i'm yapping is because this is used in astrophysics to measure how far away galaxies and solar systems are, bc our instruments cant measure the exact frequencies of light they emit, BUT we know the frequency of the beats which lets us calculate the distance :)
when i found out how to do that bendy trick for a while i thought the way that polyphia and jason richardson and similar guitarists did the little whammy bar trill noise was by really really quickly bending to get that wavering sound. the more you know
I’ve been doing this for over a decade, but had no idea that it was commonly used in studios. That’s affirming. If I’m lazy and just riffing around, I just tune to the attack. But, when it comes time for chord-heavy playing, I tune to the chord that the passage revolves around. Does that intonation end up working out across the whole fretboard? No. But it works enough! Need me an evertune at this point.
Very first thing I learnt was smoke on the water and iron man intro. Then when I understood that my guitar was never in tune, then I finally got myself a shitty gauge tuner lol
Ironically I was tuning right but on accident. I use an automatic tuner, the Roadie, so I hold it on the tuner and strum consistently on the same string. Really cool video! Thank you for the info!
a pro tip that has always worked for me, tune with the natural harmonic on the 12th fret with the neck pickup, its very spot on!
Always putting out great quality content man!
Thanks Keyan for this. It's very useful and yes: I've been tuning wrong my guitar
Just tried posting this video link on FB.
"Your content couldn't be shared, because this link goes against our Community Standards". Wow META
Really? That's wild
Yeah dude this is sick, tuning to the chord as an engineer absolutely amazing trick to use especially if you land yourself with a client who’s guitar could use a bit of work and you have to make the best of it on the day 😅 so sick to see people talking about this too
This exact subject has been an inner mental battle ive been having for a while now. Im super sensitive to tuning and its been driving me nuts.
I try to find a happy medium where my attack and decay are within + or minus 2 cents. Very acceptable and seems to work until the dreaded retune lol 😊
I kinda like a slightly out of tune guitar, generally I prefer a perfectly tuned guitar, but sometimes doubling the same riff on two guitars and having them both slightly out with each other can sound huge, kinda like a chorus effect
I think this only applies during recording. However when you are live/practising, I think best bet is open string tuning.
PS: the first example of prayer position sounded off tune for the last couple of notes in the riff. I think riffs as dynamic as that, we should probably stick to tuning wrt to string attack, and maintain the attack intensity throughout the take for all notes. But I again believe in happy accidents 😊
My first bit of ear training when I took lessons 15 years ago was to tune(E standard) the guitar from the 5th fret(4th on G string) and listen for the tuning to match intonation. Don't need no stinkin' technology when my ears work!
In both cases i found the "out of tune" one to sound better.
Thats litterally the essence of guitar. Thats what makes it unique and interesting. Otherwise it would just be a keytar
The phenomenon when the string goes sharp for a moment is the reason why I wanna get evertune so no matter how strong or light I pick it's still in tune and only the tone and dynamics change I'm not limited by watching out for being in tune
I used to tune like this when I was a kid but got yelled at by a music teacher and told to stop XD
When I record for demos and rough drafts, i just tune til its green and go at it. When I tune for final tracking, I always tune to the chord, per-part. Tedious and takes forever, but damn recording comes out clean as heck.
I've used similar techniques before because I also play bass in an orchestra, where we do only slightly different things
Tuning to sustain or attack based of what you play should be common knowledge, but im guild of not knowing that for a long time as well.
This is a nightmare that makes an evertune seem essential lol
great video and concepts, for this reason evertune has made recording and playing much easier,
i've been there, retuning the guitar for certain parts depending on where you're playing on the neck to be more in tune,
it's very time consuming but rewarding
there are some great examples of deliberately detuning say the B string so it's more pleasing to the ear (e.g Van Halen )
Method 1 is great, I do that but I won't lie I'm pretty lazy with tuning most of the time. 🤣
Riff A for the second method sounds worse to my ear even thought it's more in-tune, but I also already do something similar to this but I will be sure to keep this method in mind more.
Joe from GGD put out a similar video a few weeks ago.
I just use those TH-cam videos for tuning and never had any problems.
Tuning at worst is tedious, and at best is not even a big deal, at least for me.
The tips seem pretty useful, but also a bit over kill for me.
IF your skill allow, you can bend strings to make them in tune for a chord. Playing maj & min intervals you need to slightly bend one or other string.
If my guitar is in tune properly, then I actually like the dissonance between the notes that aren't perfect. This has become one of my favorite things so much so that I purposely look for those disagreeable spots on each guitar so that I can exploit them. To me, the fought grit this produces is like the salt In the chocolate!
I tend to tune my guitar a TINY bit flat becuase of my heavy handedness. In a full mix witth other instruments and vocals, its almot fixes itself - isolated guitar, the discrepancies are more noticeable
I have stopped using method 2 most of the time since I couldn't unhear the inconsistencies within the things I played 😅gladly most of the times you get away with not being 100% in tune and it makes life so much easier 😄
If the decay of a note is very noticeable you should mount a thicker string. Tuning the string to the attack note won’t solve the issue on longer notes. Also you didn’t mention tuning octaves. You can even tune the second octaces on the 24th fret for the best result along the whole fretboard. Guitar isn’t perfect, but it can be pretty well tuned.
You can also use sweetened tunings to help the chords ring more true.
This video was a bit useless.
Not to forget adjusting intonation on the bridge to get it more balanced down the whole fret board.
Note-playing = tune for attack
Chord-playing = tune for decay
Always set the intonation from the 12th fret, too.
Before I learned that major thirds are sharp in 12 tone I used to tune my guitar and test with open chords, all good on E and G then I’d play an A major and immediately flatten the b string, all good then test an e and g chord again and they sound gross, tune for them and then the a chord is out. I thought for ages something was wrong with my guitar
I've only had problems with tuning on cheaper guitars.
Since I bought my Tele I've had no probs.
I also think some music styles sound better with slightly out of tune guitars.
Man im sitting here CHOONING my guitar like bro im CHOONING it brotha, im fucking CHOONIN it like, IM IN CHOONE AS FUCK
Also: Do proper Guitar Setup! Adjust your bridge sattles to the tuning of your guitar. Your strings should be in tune in open position and also in tune on the 12th fret. It'll take a little more time but it's worth it.
Get ready for the “taking soul out of music” comments.
I mean at some point you might as well just use midi guitar if you want everything perfect.
The "toaN is In tHe bAlLs crowd" coming in fast. You know guitar music hasn't developed since hendrix?
no but perfection just doesn't sound godd for some music
What’s a soul?
True Temperament fixes the last method. Assuming all strings are in tune when played open, every note and chord will be perfectly in tune across the entire fretboard.
I really thought this video wouldn’t bring anything new for me and I couldn’t be more wrong. Thanks for sharing. Lots of things I already knew, but those small tips definitely worth the time.
Interesting video, but not sure the title is accurate. New methods for tuning might be more accurate.
We know gauge, scale, design, pick, magnets in pickups, intonation, string height, and more also impact tuning leading me to say ears are the best reality check over all. This also doesn't factor in other instruments and voices which may guide a particular method.
Tuning to the attack is pretty nice for the thrash i play and ive done it a fair few times. Tuning to the chord is impossible for live musicians like me. Unlucky
Very good point! I'm just going to cry on my floyd-rose though.
My main guitar (and my only one really) for the last few years has been a Solar with an Evertune, and it wasnt until recently when i played a friends ESP with a floyd, and an LP he had that i realized, i dont think i can ever play without the evertune ever again, it`s just so annoying without it
I agree with EVERY damn thing you mentioned man!
Using similar technique with violin but you focus on the A string rather than highest note
thank you for posting this video.