It is and isn't. It's much more popular than Twitch streaming outside of English speaking countries. Minato Aqua got close to a million CCV on her graduation stream, something that just isn't possible on twitch, the site couldn't handle it. Also Twitch didn't really "abandon" South Korea, it's that SK passed a law making sites based outside of Korea pay for their bandwith. For a live streaming site, even one owned by Amazon, it would not make financial sense to keep the site in the country when it's going to cost a lot more than it will make. Rumor is Google and YT got a special carve out in the law.
As a viewer, I used to watch Twitch all the time, with both Prime and Turbo. Now I maybe look at Twitch once a week, have neither Prime nor Turbo, and have TH-cam Premium. The closest I get to watching Twitch is TH-cam vod channels, but I do watch TH-cam streams live for a couple channels.
As a viewer i prefer TH-cam. The interface on Twitch feels so messy to me. TH-cam has gotten better with recommending smalls streams, i have found a couple streamers i really enjoy that way. Botviewers is a thing on Twitch aswell and Twitch also don't fight it. Twitch is also not a place for old Vods. One huge thing Twitch has going for it are raids. There are many tiny streamers that "made it" thanks to a raid from a large creator. Raids on TH-cam is garbage, as i understand it (and i might be wrong, apologies) a youtuber can only raid those they interacted with before. Finally, if a creator got big on Twitch theres really no reason to move to TH-cam and the same is true in reverse, they built an audience that prefer one platform over another.
I dont even have a twitch account😂 I just watch TH-cam streams and vods Thats where i found Kitsunero,❤Smugalana ❤and Asha Dawn❤ and the rest of the vtubers i watch😂😂❤ If streamers are on both youtube and twitch I can just stay here😂 Stay healthy Kitsu
i like how two different things which do same thing has be same. YT is not Twitch and Twitch is Not YT those are diffrent things even if they provide same thing.
As a former consistent viewer of youtube streams, it was mainly just creators i liked who only streamed on youtube and had an established audience of course. Particularly the vtuber yt streams, at least for the corpos seems to have twitch lite culture to them and by far the only ones I've seen that retain some personality. Fact youtube corpo vtubers got their own lil culture, very much inspired by the idol side
The way Streaming on TH-cam works is as an accessory to other content. Punkalopi for example was posting shorts, eventually one short had a title that got it widespread distribution and because it was funny was liked and subscribed to massively (virality at play) she shortly started streaming on TH-cam and had monitization within 3 streams. Another example is MatPAt. He was one of the first streamers on TH-cam period and was onew of the guys that ran the beta testing on superchats. He live streamed from Game Theorist not from GTLive that was just his VOD channel. Because he had so many subscribers at the time he had the largest Live stream well over 30,000 CCV, but again it's how things are implemented. Since TH-cam is video based you have to create videos and Livestream second to really grow. Though one can just live stream and still do ok such as Legal Mindset (the lawyer that covered the Nijisanji/Selen tatsuki termination case) - but he covers a very niche tpoic which is legal analysis of lawsuits - the growth is slower that way though.
I think the one good thing about youtube membership is that the streamer has 0 fear of someone charging back. Seen multiple streamers posting about having to pay paypal close or around 5digits of cash because someone charged back to screw the streamer. This sucks especially if you're just starting or just a small streamer
I personally think TH-cam is gonna last longer. Twitch is a very big niche. Streaming is only fairly recently a big popular thing, kind of like a trend. I think streaming will runs it's course in the coming years, not completely vanish, but less people will be using it since it is a huge time sink. Meanwhile, anyone can go and watch a TH-cam video for however long they want, leave, then come back and not miss anything. They are also dipping their toes into every different niche, Videos, streaming, short form content(Shorts and the TikTok model), TV shows, movies, etc. Am I biased in this view, Yea a little since I don't like streams, I don't have time for them, I don't like waiting around for something funny to happen, I don't like not being able to pause, and I don't need that streamer/community interaction that seemingly so many people crave nowadays. Lastly there's the issue with monitization. Has twitch finally started to be profitable (Genuinely don't know, like I said I don't use it lol)? If they aren't I'd fear for their longevity, after all, why build an audience on a platform that may be shut down or have its user experience massively hindered because it is hemorrhaging money.
Streams on TH-cam shouldn't be more than an hour and a half to two hours. Same with Twitch mind you, anything longer and people start dropping off as one has to develop a lot of interesting content for an hour and a half never mind 5 hours
YT streaming is fine, these huge Twitch streamers just miscalculated.. they all came to TH-cam in 2021-2023.. after the dominant force in YT streaming made it relevant in the Summer/Fall of 2020.. I'm talking of course about HOLOLIVE.. these streamers saw the success hololive had on YT and thought there was an "untapped" audience on YT they could tap in to.. but they had to realize that this was not really the case.. that hololive audience was here because of hololive.. while whoever was interested in watching, say, Ludwig was already doing so on Twitch.. the audience for his YT streams followed him here from Twitch instead.. and since they already spend money on his Twitch they would/could not spend it again on YT.. also the whole "hey.. I'm here (ten years after I started streaming) cuz I heard there's money to be made here.." attitude a lot of these streamers had did not help matters.. neither does this "YT streaming is failing because I don't make the numbers and money I hoped I would".. it is not YT's or the audiences fault these streamers egos got hurt.. although I'm sure it's tough to see Marine, Subaru or Miko do 50k-60k streams EVERY day with ease...
The other aspect to these guys failing is that they know squat on how to title a video or do a thumbnail. One has to spend some time on creating a Title for your stream because that is going to be distributed by the recommendation algorithm and it has to get people's attention. Same with thumbnails. The thumbnail is even more important if you are going to post your thumbnail the day or two before (you can do it up to a week in advance) Titles need to be interesting to not only your core audience but also the casuals and the window shoppers (potential new viewers) that takes work and creativity You only get a few milliseconds given how many other thumbnails there are. Have the same thumbnail over and over and a lame "we doing this" title and people will pass you by. You have to be innovative to get attention
I only watch streams on youtube and maybe some Twitch vods posted on youtube or videos like this one. One of the reasons I don't like using Twitch is the fact I have a time limit to watch the streams and the vods, I can slowly watch the streams even when I don't have much time available or even rewatch the vods years later. Also, personally, I think the user experience is simply better.
To me vtubers are supposed to be on TH-cam I've been watching them since 2018 but I'm not surprised the western side is used to twitch so they just kept streaming there
Imo as a not very big twitch watcher, twitch only really has emotes on TH-cam, maybe behind the scenes it's better on twitch but as a user TH-cam is much more accessible with vods and scheduled streams I only really watch on TH-cam unless my streamer is on twitch that day
Yes, I watch or listen to livestreams from people that I subscribe to all the time. I just don't go on TH-cam live to seek out streams. Twitch's interface is honestly garbage, and they force way too many ads in your face. The only reason why it's still succesful is because it's known as the "livestreaming" place and you'll get an audience there. If somehow people flocked to TH-cam instead to watch livestreams, Twitch would die. The only thing keeping it alive is that it still holds a reputation for having more people watching, basically the "legacy" effect.
I normally can't change the resolution of streams on twitch so i can't normally watch anything there as it's more time lagging then being a consistent viewing experience. I don't have great internet damnit XD
@@exec.clouds Only possible thing I could think of that he could mean is setting up memberships if you are the channel owner. Like you need to have a certain amount of subs or something. If not that then I have no idea how it is any different at all for the viewer lol.
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It can't be that much of a failure if we still call them Vtubers and not "Vtwitchers" or "Vstreamers"
It is and isn't. It's much more popular than Twitch streaming outside of English speaking countries. Minato Aqua got close to a million CCV on her graduation stream, something that just isn't possible on twitch, the site couldn't handle it. Also Twitch didn't really "abandon" South Korea, it's that SK passed a law making sites based outside of Korea pay for their bandwith. For a live streaming site, even one owned by Amazon, it would not make financial sense to keep the site in the country when it's going to cost a lot more than it will make. Rumor is Google and YT got a special carve out in the law.
As a viewer, I used to watch Twitch all the time, with both Prime and Turbo. Now I maybe look at Twitch once a week, have neither Prime nor Turbo, and have TH-cam Premium. The closest I get to watching Twitch is TH-cam vod channels, but I do watch TH-cam streams live for a couple channels.
As a viewer i prefer TH-cam. The interface on Twitch feels so messy to me. TH-cam has gotten better with recommending smalls streams, i have found a couple streamers i really enjoy that way. Botviewers is a thing on Twitch aswell and Twitch also don't fight it. Twitch is also not a place for old Vods. One huge thing Twitch has going for it are raids. There are many tiny streamers that "made it" thanks to a raid from a large creator. Raids on TH-cam is garbage, as i understand it (and i might be wrong, apologies) a youtuber can only raid those they interacted with before. Finally, if a creator got big on Twitch theres really no reason to move to TH-cam and the same is true in reverse, they built an audience that prefer one platform over another.
Lets hope all these streamers upload vods to youtube given how utterly pathetic twitches archiving of videos is.
I watch more Yt streaming then Twitch tbh. I dont have any real complaint with TH-cam
I dont even have a twitch account😂
I just watch TH-cam streams and vods
Thats where i found Kitsunero,❤Smugalana ❤and Asha Dawn❤ and the rest of the vtubers i watch😂😂❤
If streamers are on both youtube and twitch
I can just stay here😂
Stay healthy Kitsu
i like how two different things which do same thing has be same.
YT is not Twitch and Twitch is Not YT those are diffrent things even if they provide same thing.
As a former consistent viewer of youtube streams, it was mainly just creators i liked who only streamed on youtube and had an established audience of course. Particularly the vtuber yt streams, at least for the corpos seems to have twitch lite culture to them and by far the only ones I've seen that retain some personality. Fact youtube corpo vtubers got their own lil culture, very much inspired by the idol side
The way Streaming on TH-cam works is as an accessory to other content.
Punkalopi for example was posting shorts, eventually one short had a title that got it widespread distribution and because it was funny was liked and subscribed to massively (virality at play) she shortly started streaming on TH-cam and had monitization within 3 streams.
Another example is MatPAt. He was one of the first streamers on TH-cam period and was onew of the guys that ran the beta testing on superchats. He live streamed from Game Theorist not from GTLive that was just his VOD channel. Because he had so many subscribers at the time he had the largest Live stream well over 30,000 CCV, but again it's how things are implemented.
Since TH-cam is video based you have to create videos and Livestream second to really grow. Though one can just live stream and still do ok such as Legal Mindset (the lawyer that covered the Nijisanji/Selen tatsuki termination case) - but he covers a very niche tpoic which is legal analysis of lawsuits - the growth is slower that way though.
I think the one good thing about youtube membership is that the streamer has 0 fear of someone charging back. Seen multiple streamers posting about having to pay paypal close or around 5digits of cash because someone charged back to screw the streamer. This sucks especially if you're just starting or just a small streamer
I personally think TH-cam is gonna last longer. Twitch is a very big niche. Streaming is only fairly recently a big popular thing, kind of like a trend. I think streaming will runs it's course in the coming years, not completely vanish, but less people will be using it since it is a huge time sink. Meanwhile, anyone can go and watch a TH-cam video for however long they want, leave, then come back and not miss anything. They are also dipping their toes into every different niche, Videos, streaming, short form content(Shorts and the TikTok model), TV shows, movies, etc. Am I biased in this view, Yea a little since I don't like streams, I don't have time for them, I don't like waiting around for something funny to happen, I don't like not being able to pause, and I don't need that streamer/community interaction that seemingly so many people crave nowadays. Lastly there's the issue with monitization. Has twitch finally started to be profitable (Genuinely don't know, like I said I don't use it lol)? If they aren't I'd fear for their longevity, after all, why build an audience on a platform that may be shut down or have its user experience massively hindered because it is hemorrhaging money.
Streams on TH-cam shouldn't be more than an hour and a half to two hours. Same with Twitch mind you, anything longer and people start dropping off as one has to develop a lot of interesting content for an hour and a half never mind 5 hours
YT streaming is fine, these huge Twitch streamers just miscalculated..
they all came to TH-cam in 2021-2023.. after the dominant force in YT streaming made it relevant in the Summer/Fall of 2020..
I'm talking of course about HOLOLIVE..
these streamers saw the success hololive had on YT and thought there was an "untapped" audience on YT they could tap in to..
but they had to realize that this was not really the case.. that hololive audience was here because of hololive..
while whoever was interested in watching, say, Ludwig was already doing so on Twitch.. the audience for his YT streams followed him here from Twitch instead.. and since they already spend money on his Twitch they would/could not spend it again on YT..
also the whole "hey.. I'm here (ten years after I started streaming) cuz I heard there's money to be made here.." attitude a lot of these streamers had did not help matters.. neither does this "YT streaming is failing because I don't make the numbers and money I hoped I would"..
it is not YT's or the audiences fault these streamers egos got hurt..
although I'm sure it's tough to see Marine, Subaru or Miko do 50k-60k streams EVERY day with ease...
The other aspect to these guys failing is that they know squat on how to title a video or do a thumbnail. One has to spend some time on creating a Title for your stream because that is going to be distributed by the recommendation algorithm and it has to get people's attention. Same with thumbnails. The thumbnail is even more important if you are going to post your thumbnail the day or two before (you can do it up to a week in advance) Titles need to be interesting to not only your core audience but also the casuals and the window shoppers (potential new viewers) that takes work and creativity
You only get a few milliseconds given how many other thumbnails there are. Have the same thumbnail over and over and a lame "we doing this" title and people will pass you by. You have to be innovative to get attention
Eh, as long as "Vtubers" stands and still no Vwitchers, i'll still give TH-cam the W
I don't know why not more people multi stream, there's like no downside.
Yeah, twitch for live streams, but but for vods? TH-cam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twitch. Makes sense tho, as youtube was a vod site to begin with.
Yeah me personally, i prefer youtube over twitch. I've tried so many times to use twitch but i just could never find myself wanting to use the app.
Same
I only watch streams on youtube and maybe some Twitch vods posted on youtube or videos like this one.
One of the reasons I don't like using Twitch is the fact I have a time limit to watch the streams and the vods, I can slowly watch the streams even when I don't have much time available or even rewatch the vods years later.
Also, personally, I think the user experience is simply better.
To me vtubers are supposed to be on TH-cam I've been watching them since 2018 but I'm not surprised the western side is used to twitch so they just kept streaming there
15:20 You need to opt in once not on every channel
Imo as a not very big twitch watcher, twitch only really has emotes on TH-cam, maybe behind the scenes it's better on twitch but as a user TH-cam is much more accessible with vods and scheduled streams I only really watch on TH-cam unless my streamer is on twitch that day
Yes, I watch or listen to livestreams from people that I subscribe to all the time. I just don't go on TH-cam live to seek out streams.
Twitch's interface is honestly garbage, and they force way too many ads in your face. The only reason why it's still succesful is because it's known as the "livestreaming" place and you'll get an audience there. If somehow people flocked to TH-cam instead to watch livestreams, Twitch would die. The only thing keeping it alive is that it still holds a reputation for having more people watching, basically the "legacy" effect.
I normally can't change the resolution of streams on twitch so i can't normally watch anything there as it's more time lagging then being a consistent viewing experience.
I don't have great internet damnit XD
Talk shit about youtube live chat all you want, But i love reading the comment section.
Who's gonna drop the reaction to this video? We need more reactions
OwO new kitsu is hot af
I just comment to comment something and watch the vid on 0,25 speed and on mute cause I saw it on stream #34
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Yeah for memberships you literally have to go out of your way to join which is so much more inconvenient than twitch
Explain. What does that even mean? How is that any different from a twitch sub?
@@luckytanuki5449it’s just that you can’t join on mobile you have to go to the browser version
I don't get it, I just have a join button and then I need to pay, that's it 🤨
@@exec.clouds Only possible thing I could think of that he could mean is setting up memberships if you are the channel owner. Like you need to have a certain amount of subs or something. If not that then I have no idea how it is any different at all for the viewer lol.
@@exec.cloudsit’s not available on mobile is all I was getting at, I guess I didn’t make that clear, 😅
This is not new.
Meanwhile i decided to stream on birh sites, because i see no reason to stresm on one site at the time