Is Less More When It Comes to PEDs?
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Dave Tate & Matt Wenning talk about their ped usage and what worked for them!
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Yes!!!!!!!!! Less is more. The trick is to find the absolute smallest dose of the compound as possible while still getting some benefits. I’ve consistently had much better results with less. Now most people have to learn this lesson for themselves the hard way.
Damn right. Blew my mind the first time i stumbled upon how effective low doses can be. I used to be one of those "more is better" lifters for years.
@@rob5598 absolutely. I think back about the mega doses I was taking when I first started using PEDs and it just blows my mind and makes me quite grateful that I didn’t harm myself more than I did. I wish there were an effective way to teach new comers to PED this lesson the easy way.
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@@JohnBradydoesstuff well I would say you are teaching us because I am reading your input on the mistakes you made an I will listen an know not to do that 👍
@@user-ud2pu8ij6b I appreciate that very much. It’s always good when you can learn from someone else’s mistakes and not have to suffer them yourself.
What a great interview - that one statement - "ONLY OPTIMAL IS BETTER", and you have to find that optimal point in yourself because PED use, like any enhancer, it's up to many factors but the main one is "what is optimal for you" and that is different in everyone.
Great conversation chap, detail behind the curtain is amazing here 👍
That video is GOLD, undermined by all the people out there!
I am 40, been a wrestling athlete back in 95's up 2010, krav maga instructor and now benching and stuff, never had big problems (outside broken stuffs usual day..)...now, my friends having the Pusher on their side, had more on the bench that most people do, going to international n shite, NOW 2022 no of my friends of 15 years ago are benching anymore anything above 150kg...while I am doing 220kgs and on the way to more, not to big but seeing the GMO dudes I am confident the more I get into the years the more I am going to kick their asses.
Such inspirational video--
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12month training 15pounds when you do are on your top is indeed good--but I believe it comes with lifestyle, if you do eat ok and not going to the shred BS then u can manage--I would say u can manage to get 10 to 15kg on you max if you are following all Dave's tips...bottom line if you are a cunt and full of shite u're gonna make it, but drink, sleep, eat and u make it...and above all believe in GOD so you can!
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I'm not a powerlifter I'm a bodybuilder at heart so strength is not primary but bring a man we always want to get stronger but I respect that crap outta this sport and these men.
Great discussion gents 👍🏻
Great interview
I had the original Syntex anadrol 50 back in the 80s. I was doing 1 per day for a couple weeks and then went to 2. Felt like crap. Then went back to 1. Totally agree with more is not better at some point.
Yep but the thing was you knew what you were getting then. Most if not all of the good stuff is ugl now and you really don’t know what you’re getting. That’s part of the huge doses...it really isn’t what it says
Anadrol is a very weird drug as well. If you read the original research, this reveals itself. It has an extremely low affinity for the AR, thus the dosage has to be set quite high...but once that threshold is reached, it exerts powerful effects. On top of that, it has a DHT backbone (DHT cannot convert to estrogen), but oxymethelone actually interacts DIRECTLY with the estrogen receptor. Incredibly interesting compound.
I have seen drug protocols since about 2009ish and i have noticed some trends. One is people take less in terms of mgs but they are on more of the year. The cycling people were kind of lying to themselves because they are taking drugs (pct) when they come off and are planning their next cycle immediately. Also people nowadays aren't just taking test and D bol, they are taking GH, Insulin, Peptides, Diuretics, SARMs, EPO and who knows what else.
This is a great video. Especially as I'm wrestling with going back on after just having got back into Powerlifting.
I think I need to build my numbers back up naturally before I do *anything.
I was so lucky that I learned from an East German doctor who taught me to consider peds as medicine to heal your body. Take the least amount of medicine to treat the conditions as they come
Really insightfull! Anyone got an idea whats up with daves face is his bp too high?
Great conversation!! Thankful that I found this video in a world where PEDS are so hush hush
I'd like to share a quick story I was told by a good friend of mine who's a physio. He was telling me about a guy who's a top British powerlifter.
This gentleman was telling my mate his dosages about what he's had to take to stay competitive. It was ALOT of gear. He said he looked like shit, he slept like shit, he was always sweating and his back was cramping.
Not long after, he had a guy through who had trained with some of the top strongmen and he asked if he knew this British powerlifter, and he said yeah. They had a chat about gear use and he said he knows for a fact that the guy struggling to stay competitive was using atleast 3x more gear than Lawrence shahleigh before he dipped his toe in powrrlifting and broke some records. Another guy I know said bodybuilder zack Khan's usage was a hell of a lot less than most users, and way less than his bro who looked nowhere close.
Genetics are king. If you're an apple you'll never be an orange.
You may only be able to flip the card once but once it's turned you have to stay on to keep the benefits. In other words going on gear may only bump you up 20% so from a 500 to 600 lb bench but if you go off you will drop back from 600 to the 500 so you have to stay on just to maintain and in reality youll probably add a little with each progressive cycle.
Matt's point about the orals is spot on. You will know real quick if you're taking too much. I personally have had much more success with taking smaller dosages of multiple orals than a very large dose of one. 300mg Anadrol? No fucking thank you.
It really does seem like gear is far less essential for strength than hypertrophy! 🤔🤔🧐
You're spot on. In a lot of cases, your strength will not keep up with your size gain.
People are offering them to 155 benchers
My question is what dose is considered less pls, someone should please explain based on experience
If they are telling you to take enormous amounts, that probably means they are selling it and they want to push their product. Generally, as Dave has mentioned "legit and illegitimate sources" illegitimate sources don't give two shits about you or your health, and the saddest part is when they even are in this community, and they still don't care you are just money to them.
2:15, Someone is benching 585 raw not on gear???
They are rare but they exist haha
I benched 545 drug free
Thomas Davis benched 465 raw in high school, all natural, and benched 300kg raw naturally in the IPF
I see one comment that is not true
@@ottowelt4378 Guy is funnny. 585 raw natural.. Yeah right. Look at Thor, one of the strongest people in the world when on drugs. Off drugs he struggles with 100 pound dumbells for chest. One drugs, he is moving those 200 pounds dumbells more easy than 100 pounds when off drugs.
Never ever believe anyone when they tell you what they take the actual number will be higher or they left some stuff out. I’ve been around gyms since late 80s that’s the way it’s always been and I do it myself 😂.
Not me brother - I could care less
my Test was 170 when I got tested @ 35yrs old....been doing cypionate 200 for 12yrs now (47yrs old Test level sites about 400-500) at .3ml a week and have never felt better in my life....Ive got buddies that are doing 1-2ml a week and they always feel and look like shit. They maybe stronger than me but I'm not gasping for air after every rep or walking to our cars after lifting 🤣
You take 60mg a week?? That's incredibly low. You get 400 ng/dL from that? I got almost 600 ng/dL from 200mg!
@@MeanBeanComedy everyone's body uses TEST up in different ways.
@@johndonovan5521 Guess so, brother! Glad you're living your best life! 😁👍🏻
@@MeanBeanComedy thank you!
Or tren but a popular stack is test, tren and anadrol
Geared people like to think it makes little difference (10%) and naturals think that it makes a massive difference. The bottom line is it varies massively on the person. Nicolaas du Preez says he went from benching 155kg natty to 245kg on PEDs. Levan Sagnashvilli doubled his size. I think if you can bench around 180kg naturally then you could most likely do PEDs and lift some elite numbers.
I completely disagree with the 10% statement he makes. He on his first cycle gained 10% on his squat over time it went higher and higher up meaning it's more than 10% of a gain assuming he was pretty close to his genetic limit when he was in the 800s naturally for squat
“Less is more” is what my wife tells me all the time. I’m calling BS. (She’s not talking about drugs)
the only lifter who talks honestly about drug use is Billy Mimnaugh, literally the only one. The rest say half truths, like in this video. The hypocrisy and cynicism in this world is disgusting.
What were the half truths?
Billy likes little boys though, cuhh. Zane geeting too, cuhh.
@@taylorfinn1496 only 15% increase from drugs? LOL. So guys who bench 600 raw can bench 510 natural? I have been training for over 25 years, multiple hardcore gyms. There are no natural who can bench more than 315 pounds.
@@WillRiker1234 Not too far off. I would say if you compared the same person on the same diet, it would be about 15% on an average cycle. The thing is, most people who cycle also tend to up calories and attribute all strength gains to their cycle. The other thing to consider is that steroids can raise your genetic limit, and assuming you stay on and are consistent, that's where you would see the bigger jumps; but now we're talking over years, and not a simple cycle or two.
As far as your example, it all depends how you define natural. If you built strength and a physique over a decade, then came off gear and allowed your natural testosterone to kick in then I'd wager the 600 raw bencher could still put up close to 500. That said, if you ask me, once you've done a few cycles, you're enhanced for life. You've sped up your progress, maxed out your natural muscle mass potential, have more experience on technique at heavier weights, and therefore are never truly a natty ever again (imo).
@@WillRiker1234 theres plenty of people who can bench 315 natty.
What I noticed is the guys who were actually strong were already in the 350-400 range before they used.
And as for +500 raw benchers? Yeah those guys are juicing hard core.
Matt was on a lot gear up until he was done with powerlifting
Wrong dude
I liked dbol until I ate to many of them. Less is more. Marshmallow man, red face, sweaty and sick from to much.
Mmhmm
Sorry matt but you can't say the other gains weren't from the drugs and let's be honest if you didn't think it helped you wouldn't have taken any. You might not have gotten the big jumps like you did on the first cycle but those "small" 50 lb jumps were still in part due to the ped's. Based on what you said you added like 300 lbs after you started juicing so let's not pretend that you didn't get a big boost from the ped's
Ur the expert not me 💪💪💪. Maybe listen instead of hate. Gets you way further
I see Two Tomatoes 🍅 talking
Don't need PEDs to be at the top
HELL YES...in our society MORE DRUGS IS BETTER!!! lol RAWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
" When your training like a bodybuilder ,it doesn't matter if you can't breathe", has to be the dumbest statement I ever heard.Bodybuilding training requires a lot more endurance cause of the high reps and short rest periods.
Cool I didn’t realize you were an expert - carry on
More of an expert than you .Tell me how many bodybuilding titles you have won?
Two dudes who have to have a CPAP machine to stay alive talking about the sweet spot. Laughs
Yes, drugs are an obvious factor. So funny how this channel just skipped over this subject for so long.
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i understand both sides - anyone with any wherewithal knows, every single top athlete, whether in a team or individual sport, male or female, will use some form of ped's in their career - to not think that, due to millions of dollars at stake, is naive as believing in santa claus - now, if you listen to what they say, which is true, ped's push the needle by 10-15%, which could be A LOT if you're already elite - i'm all for ELITE ATHLETES doing it, bc as a spectator i want to feel as if i'm watching a superhero perform
for your average joe or jane, or even a teen starting to get into training, it's obviously a huge red flag and a NO GO in my opinion - again, as they correctly say, you have one chance to push that needle and for some, it may not even be enough - i don't think 99% of the population should be concerned with ped's - for the 1% who are elite and are concerned with maximizing performance and monetary gains, yes, by all means do it safely