One of the things I love about this scene is it explains why Joey bullies other kids, he learned it from his old man doing it to the team. Joey basically tells his dad to shove it and learns to be a man. Fantastic scenes and one of the many examples of why this is one of my favorite films.
No music no words no nothing just the silence and the expressions which already spoke volumes adding more suspense to the shock rate i think that's what makes movies back then different but in a much better way
So many great scenes in this movie. The camera angles, the silence shots of the many actors and the eyes you see the focus on the eyes of every one of the actors. There's a lot of powerful moments in this film and the more I watch it the more I see what greatness it is. This scene is just one of them.
EXP Realtor I'll give you that one But! You cannot mention greatness & stay silent on Mr. Walter Matthau a Hollywood heavyweight & a classic star who has some of the most potent magic ever displayed on film
RIP Walter Matthau (October 1, 1920 - July 1, 2000), aged 79 And RIP Vic Morrow (February 14, 1929 - July 23, 1982), aged 53 You both will always be remembered as legends.
Vic Morrow plays this part so well and so convincingly. I saw a lot of coaches like him when my own kids played little league. I would shake my head and laugh at them. Guys like him take it way too seriously and even go as far to wear the same uniform the kids. It’s little league! Most of those kids won’t even play high school baseball…
"@timman19" They feel they have to be ruthless to win but they are living out their own fantasies through the kids. Yes, very few would go on to play serious baseball.
To this day still one of my favorite sports movies. This came out right around the time I started T-ball. Little did I know, it would be about 3-4 years later that our league was the exact same way. Now, I don't recall any coaches going WWF on kids resulting in a standing 8 count, but it was ultra competitive with the kids/coaches. Nothing was worse than going to school the next day after a loss and getting it rubbed in your face. Conversely, nothing was better than gloating after a win. Fun times provided you were on a decent team :)
Vic Morrow is so good in this movie playing the little coach taking things way too seriously. Years ago, when my son was in little league, one of the team's had a coach like that. The fathers of the boys on my son's team nicknamed him "Turner" in honor of Morrow's performance in this move...
That slap part shocked the hell out of me when I saw this as a kid, still does to a certain extent. I think some of us can empathize with the kid, those of us who suffered physical abuse.
I was 17 in the summer of '82 when I read about it in the paper. I'll never forget it, the initial report said he walked into the tail rotor! They got it slightly wrong, geez
I know. He was a great guy I heard. We just hated him cause of the part he played in the bears movie. But hea w G*D. N well miss his acting. He was good
This is youth sports in a nutshell! I played little league, high school, college, pro for a few seasons. Nothing is as memorable in terms of batshit crazy as youth sports was. You expected drunk idiots in stadiums in the minor leagues. And off color chatter designed to distract you in big college games... But nothing matters more than winning or losing, and the intensity of games like youth sports does lol. So if you are an adult bringing a bag of serious goals and needs to a youth game like need to win, need for your child to be the best out there, or play mistake free, there is the potential for dust ups with the refs, the opponents, your own kids. your own team if you are the coach. It's maybe even worse nowadays, as the stakes have raised in the new normal, travel sports circuit. With the perception that winning and playing well lead to career acceleration and heightened visibility with eye balls who run the higher levels of the sport. Great clip. Evokes a lot of emotion and memories.
Maybe he's embarrassed but his dad should be ashamed of himself for smacking him like that in front of all those people. His dad probably cares more about winning the game. His wife thinks he was wrong to smack their son.
Joey dropping the ball at his dad’s feet after purposely holding on to it and allowing Ingleberg to round the bases as a “F* you” to his dad is too perfect!
@@bobm7250 (nvm that last reply) True, but Joey trash talking Ingleberg was no better (bad sportsmanship). Fortunately, he did a very poor job of it. 🤣
@@princessmarlena1359 What Joey's dad did was far more worse than name calling. I wonder if Joey was abused by his dad during his life. What do you think? Maybe, just maybe you can help solve this problem.
@@bobm7250 I think that the dad is just immature, a poor sport, and has anger issues. I don’t think he regularly abuses Joey. You even see the look on his face afterwards how much he regrets what he did. My guess is that there will need to be family therapy/counseling to help them get past this.
The only real improvement of the remake was they had a girl that really could play baseball and it showed. Otherwise, not much justification for a remake.
That slap was so raw. Movie had so many inccorect scenes but the slap stood out above everything. Just reinforces that child abuse is some of the worst shit you can do
I agree that he DID try to hit him, however, in his defense, Engelberg provoked him by flipping him off during this at-bat. If someone showed me the finger during an at-bat, I would probably zing one near his head or give him some sweet chin music as well.
@@scottdecker9115 it’s established in the movie that Engelberg and Turner don’t like each other. Turner literally calls him Englepuke when he first walks up to the plate. All is fair with the trash talk, but throwing the ball at his head was over the line.
@@tonyc7301 Oh no I agree, his actions were reprehensible. I’m just saying that Engleberg flipping him the bird, was the straw that broke the camel’s back so to speak.
@@scottdecker9115 Gotcha. If Engelberg had done that at any other time Turner probably would have blown it off. But it came right after his dad basically de-balled him and told him to walk him.
Joey mic drops his dad after hitting him accross the face on the mound is such a profound statement in movie making. A comedy sprinkled with real life complexities make this film a legend in its time. Broken or wounded families. Bullying and peer pressure. The underdog vs the privilaged it reveals real life issues. If this movie ended with the Bears winning it woudnt have been so believable. Its one of the best kids comedies ever and adults can also enjoy this film immensly. It takes part in the 70s and represents the decade well. You dont understand Buttermaker, thats Kelly Leak.....I can get.my curveball to break 3 feet. Ahmad in the tree in his underwear embarrassed at his errors. The coach tells him he is fast. I am fast arent i? Your real fast! Tanner took on the 7th grade you took on the whole 7th grade? We go a dollar a game here... All memeorable moments in a movie chock full of them.
@@chiefscheider yes I've watched a Cpl documentaries and such on it and it's a travesty there was not more culpability . They def got away with murder ..no pun intended
I think that was literally the only way he could save face at that point. But I bet most kids would never trust or be close to a parent like that ever again.
The mom is an actress named Shari Summers. She had a very modest career, probably her most prominent role was a small role in Harold and Maude. She was 29 when this was shot. The bare midriff and, yes, how she plays this entire scene totally works. Her anger at Vic Morrow and her taking her devastated son home. The more you know...
with Mathau, Morrow, O'Neal, & the rest of the cast, how can you go wrong! I Keep forgetting Brandon "Courtship of Ediie's Father" Cruz played Morrow's son in the movie. He did an outstanding job too!
Slapped him in front of everyone, after just about everyone saw Englebert flip him off and his dad told him not to pitch to him. The kid did the one thing he could to shove it right up his dad's ass. Sad thing is, he was probably his team's best player, but a moment like that would prompt most kids to quit the game for good.
If you read the book, it becomes way more understandable why Turner did that. In the book, he watched from the stands as a kid got killed by a pitch the previous year. The trauma is obviously still with him, as he says that Joey's inside pitch "could've killed that kid." I'm not saying that what Turner did was right. I'm just giving a rationale. He didn't just do that out of the blue.
I was a pitcher growing up and you have to understand this kid has a million things going through his mind when his dad says ‘low and away.’ If you watch Baseball (especially from that era) you would see brush-back pitches on a daily basis. Add the pressure this kid felt from father as coach (this is not an exaggeration as there were coaches like this who were nut jobs on the field). And it’s a recipe for this scene happening. I think he wanted to strike him out so bad, he overthrew the ball and that’s why it’s high and tight. But subconsciously he wanted to do it because that’s what Bob Gibson and Nolan Ryan were doing too in that era.
In all fairness as far as the bean balls concerned, Engleberg did flip him off!haha Also. RIP Vic Morrow. He was killed on set of a movie I believe a few years after this in a horrific helicopter accident. He was decapitated
I posted in the main comments... I was on a team that won a championship by forfeit because of that rule. The other manager got so mad that he pulled his team from the field. And the organization running our leagues realized how damaging that was, and that manager got run out of there for good.
The coach hitting his son like that in front of players and spectators was kind of messed up. What he should've done is taken him off the game and deal with it back home.
I like to think there was poetic justice here. In the end, Buttermaker practically threw the game to not be like Turner, and Turner may have won the game, but lost the love and support of his son and wife.
I feel like that's what made the movie funny. How grown ass men took this game so serious and at the end you realize that they are coaching little kids lmao
dad's coaching their own kids is always hard..probably for both of them. my dad coached me, and it's largely the reason i gave up baseball and focused on football. playing short, one got by me, and he stormed out of the dug out to yell at me "lay down in front of the damn thing next time!" ...i didn't want to play after that. He never hit me...but words can bruise too. the axe might forget, but the tree remembers.
People keep saying Joey was a bully like his Dad? How to people say THE DAD'S A BULLY? How is he different from someone like Lombardi. If Lombardi coached kids he would still demand excellence and the expectation to be WINNERS. The only problem is Little League is not divided up into kids that are there that have talent and want to win and the ones that don't. Consider the parents of the BEARS players. Were they putting their kids on the best road to success? But no one criticize them.
If I was the pitcher, regardless if I tried to hit the batter or not, if the manager smacked me like that, I would quit the team, and see if I can play for another team. If not, I would never play again.
@@hectorlopez1069 What his dad did was unforgivable - took the game out of his hands, then punished him for a pretty justified purpose pitch in front of everyone. Parents like that then wonder years later why their kids never want to have anything to do with them.
@@macofalltrades6396That pitch wasn’t justified. It’s illegal to intentionally bean batters in baseball. His father was right to be angry at his son for breaking a rule. Where Morrow went wrong was when he hit his son instead of pulling him from the game and disciplining him off the field.
True, Godofwhatever. Coach should have waited til they got home, spanked Joey's bare bottom in front of mom, then demanded a blòwy in the hot tub à la Mel Gibson.
Am I the only one who is on the dad’s side? Even with the animosity between the coaches and the teams he still went out there and defended the bears players. He wasn’t wrong, had Joey hurt that kid his life would have been over, he would have been known as the emotional pitcher that hurt someone because he was upset that they were getting the better of him. The dad would rather be looked at as a bad father than let his kid flush his life down the drain and to see another kid get hurt
@chiefscheider Tonight on the 10oclock news.....Coach gets arrested and is facing child abuse charges stemming from an incident at a local little league field. Dr. PHIL....So your a lovely lady and you witnessed your abusive husband hit your son out there on the mound...has he ever struck you? Was he abusive in the bedroom? It's OK I know this is very trying for you and your son. Court TV....Vinny Politan ...Tonight we have an update on the Little League Manager Murder trial as a 13 yr old boy killed his dad after one year ago being beaten in public while playing in a little league game. We ask the question, did the son fear for his life living under this abusive parents tyranny? We will ask the tough questions you want answers to. In today's society things are looked at quite differently. Back then it is what it is and handled differently. When it came to fathers coaching their kids how many kids and even parents felt thst favoritism played a big role in things. This scene does show a reversal of that. I do agree that after the blowback pitch he could have taken him out of the game but it was a movie which forces the issue on its viewership. Great movie, not afraid to explore social boundaries and broken families.
@@carneasuhdude6823 Something being a "different time" doesnt make it ok. In fact, the movie, which wasnt a period piece, made it pretty clear that it was not ok. You are really showing your ass.
True story. In 1982, Vic Morrow (the actor who played Roy Turner in this movie) accidentally got killed from decapitation during the filming of Twilight Zone: the Movie.
The joke going around that time was “How did the crew of the Twilight Zone know Vic Morrow had dandruff? They found his “head and shoulders” in the bushes.
When I was 12, my team won the championship game on a forfeit after one of our coaches noticed that the opposing manager would go out talk to his pitcher every time he called the batter over. In the third inning, he did that on every batter, and when he called over our third hitter, I could hear him saying, "just act like I'm telling you something to do." When the other manager went to the mound, our coach signaled the umpire and pointed out that the manager had gone to the mound three times in the inning, and that by the rules, the pitcher had to be taken out. Their second best pitcher had worked most of the semifinal game, so the other team had no more pitchers. The other manager got so mad that he pulled his team off the field and forfeited the championship to us.
Joey needed serious discipline for what he did, and Roy was right to be angry. Now, Roy should not have hit his son, but Joey was far from innocent in this. However, the person who always bothered me the most was Joey's mother, when she said, "You know why he threw it." Sorry, lady, but Joey getting flipped off did not give him the right to try and kill Engelberg.
Joey was a man and taught everyone a lesson. Flipping the bird is an Illuminati sign. Joey understood that it's just a game and that the competition was bringing out the worst in everyone. With that in mind, sometimes all people need is just an easy pitch and to get a hit and a run and to feel good. He fed his enemies so that they might have the chance to respond in kind. He showed his dad that it's a 'dead' ball game anyways.
I wonder if she blamed Roy everytime Joey bullied someone........Earlier in the movie he steals Lupus hat and put ketchup in it as well as stuffing Tanner in a trashcan. She probably blamed Roy for that....
@@chiefscheider that’s if it happened today in our wimpy society. Back then the kid would’ve understood why the dad smacked him for trying to intentionally hit another kid.
@@Boygonebad The dad caused this. Period. You can't tell a kid to pitch around someone who flips you off - it'll only get worse from there. Also, a 12-year-old intramural pitcher couldn't kill a kid with a pitch - especially not one wearing a helmet. Dad was unreasonable throughout and the kid's no older than 12.
@@macofalltrades6396 the kid should’ve listen to his coach/dad instead of whining “but I wanted to strike him out”. Kid was jerk to Engleberg so let’s not act like he was bullied by Engleberg. The dad was right in telling him pitch away because Engleberg had a hot bat.
here to check out Joey Turner's mom because of Van Lathan on The Rewatchables
Samesies
I don’t know the rewatchables, but.. that ass
These 70s movies weren't scared to go there.
No gun schmucks😊
@@keithwarner6997😡 coach!
I remember parents guzzling beer at those games. That's just what people did.
Weren’t scared to go there lol it was normal.
@@anthonyleachman3541😇 in outfield
One of the things I love about this scene is it explains why Joey bullies other kids, he learned it from his old man doing it to the team. Joey basically tells his dad to shove it and learns to be a man. Fantastic scenes and one of the many examples of why this is one of my favorite films.
😒....⚾ 🐻
No music no words no nothing just the silence and the expressions which already spoke volumes adding more suspense to the shock rate i think that's what makes movies back then different but in a much better way
Totally agree. Also a brilliant decision by the director to show the walk and ball-drop from the POV of the dugout 👍
So many great scenes in this movie. The camera angles, the silence shots of the many actors and the eyes you see the focus on the eyes of every one of the actors. There's a lot of powerful moments in this film and the more I watch it the more I see what greatness it is. This scene is just one of them.
This might be my favorite sequence in the movie. I still feel sad about Vic Morrow dying. He was a good actor!
Joey with one of the best FU's in all of cinema.
Back then mom's knew how to dress for their kid's games
When I was nine back in 76 I so had a crush on Joey's Mom 😂
shes hot
I loved this movie in 1976 when I was 11. Honestly, this scene is beautiful..
My dad was 9 going on 10 when this movie came out
RIP Vic Morrow. I just watched the footage, even in slow-mo Jesus Christ what a horrible way to go
He tried his best to protect the two kids. He was a real man until the very end.
"@vivadireal1741" Where is that footage?
@@obscurelyvague If you can’t find it here then I’m fairly sure it is featured on one of the “Faces of Death” movies. The first one I think.
@@boscopappas234if you look hard enough. Theres aftermath photos too including the corpses. It’s harrowing
Vic Morrow, one of the best actors I’ve seen.
That sucks he died in 1982. He died too young. Rest in peace Roy Turner.
@@hectorlopez1069 head decapitated and everything.
RIP Sgt. "Chip" Saunders. I was 7 years old...I loved "Combat."
EXP Realtor I'll give you that one But! You cannot mention greatness & stay silent on Mr. Walter Matthau a Hollywood heavyweight & a classic star who has some of the most potent magic ever displayed on film
RIP Walter Matthau (October 1, 1920 - July 1, 2000), aged 79
And
RIP Vic Morrow (February 14, 1929 - July 23, 1982), aged 53
You both will always be remembered as legends.
Absolutely, they were great
Walter looked 79 when this was made
Vic Morrow plays this part so well and so convincingly. I saw a lot of coaches like him when my own kids played little league. I would shake my head and laugh at them. Guys like him take it way too seriously and even go as far to wear the same uniform the kids. It’s little league! Most of those kids won’t even play high school baseball…
"@timman19" They feel they have to be ruthless to win but they are living out their own fantasies through the kids. Yes, very few would go on to play serious baseball.
To this day still one of my favorite sports movies. This came out right around the time I started T-ball. Little did I know, it would be about 3-4 years later that our league was the exact same way. Now, I don't recall any coaches going WWF on kids resulting in a standing 8 count, but it was ultra competitive with the kids/coaches. Nothing was worse than going to school the next day after a loss and getting it rubbed in your face. Conversely, nothing was better than gloating after a win. Fun times provided you were on a decent team :)
the magic that was captured in this film is highly infrequent,,,
Joey's mom has got it going on...
Vic Morrow is so good in this movie playing the little coach taking things way too seriously. Years ago, when my son was in little league, one of the team's had a coach like that. The fathers of the boys on my son's team nicknamed him "Turner" in honor of Morrow's performance in this move...
That slap part shocked the hell out of me when I saw this as a kid, still does to a certain extent. I think some of us can empathize with the kid, those of us who suffered physical abuse.
Chris Rock for example
@@chiefscheider nice avatar, huge Roy Scheider fan
It was probably a shock because the movie is funny and then seeing everyone get suddenly quiet and serious, it's quite chilling.
@@LuvTadnDixie It was clear to everyone present that that dad had crossed a bright line. He really should have been ejected.
That guy who plays Roy Turner is the man who got killed in Twilight Zone deaths along with two small children. Poor guy was decapitated.
I was 17 in the summer of '82 when I read about it in the paper. I'll never forget it, the initial report said he walked into the tail rotor! They got it slightly wrong, geez
@@chiefscheider There's a video of it on here. I didn't think it was so horrific either one of the other kids was decapitated also.
Sad
I know. He was a great guy I heard. We just hated him cause of the part he played in the bears movie. But hea w G*D. N well miss his acting. He was good
Vic Morrow was his name
This happened to a lot of my teammates growing up in southern California. Too much pressure for the kids from the dads.
Same here, but for me it was hockey. A lot of moms stressed their kids out too.
Me too. San Diego - Chula Vista Hornets, circa 1977.
The first mic drop done with a baseball
This is youth sports in a nutshell!
I played little league, high school, college, pro for a few seasons. Nothing is as memorable in terms of batshit crazy as youth sports was. You expected drunk idiots in stadiums in the minor leagues. And off color chatter designed to distract you in big college games...
But nothing matters more than winning or losing, and the intensity of games like youth sports does lol. So if you are an adult bringing a bag of serious goals and needs to a youth game like need to win, need for your child to be the best out there, or play mistake free, there is the potential for dust ups with the refs, the opponents, your own kids. your own team if you are the coach. It's maybe even worse nowadays, as the stakes have raised in the new normal, travel sports circuit. With the perception that winning and playing well lead to career acceleration and heightened visibility with eye balls who run the higher levels of the sport.
Great clip. Evokes a lot of emotion and memories.
There are about 3 real powerful scenes in this movie. This is one of them
That kid holding the ball was the best Fuck you to his Dad.
When I first saw this, I thought oh wow when the dad hit his son. That would be totally embarrassing for the kid.
Maybe he's embarrassed but his dad should be ashamed of himself for smacking him like that in front of all those people. His dad probably cares more about winning the game. His wife thinks he was wrong to smack their son.
Exactly how my father acted. Ruined baseball for me by having to coach all my teams in the 80's. Back then Little League was full of these guys.
How's your relationship with the old man now?
Waaa
The mom was smokin hot.
You tried to him didn't you?
No I just gotta--
DON'T LIE TO ME!!!
When I first saw this movie, and I saw it when it was released, I cried my eyeballs out over this scene. I still do.
Kid deserved what he got. :)
Why??
Joey dropping the ball at his dad’s feet after purposely holding on to it and allowing Ingleberg to round the bases as a “F* you” to his dad is too perfect!
Ingleberg gave Joey the middle finger, which is considered as bullying.
@@bobm7250 (nvm that last reply) True, but Joey trash talking Ingleberg was no better (bad sportsmanship). Fortunately, he did a very poor job of it. 🤣
@@princessmarlena1359 What Joey's dad did was far more worse than name calling. I wonder if Joey was abused by his dad during his life. What do you think? Maybe, just maybe you can help solve this problem.
@@bobm7250 I think that the dad is just immature, a poor sport, and has anger issues. I don’t think he regularly abuses Joey. You even see the look on his face afterwards how much he regrets what he did. My guess is that there will need to be family therapy/counseling to help them get past this.
@@princessmarlena1359 Good answer.
So much better than the remake.
No question, and I like Richard Linklater. No sure what he was thinking, other than "big payday."
Acting, directing, editing, cinematography. It takes more then kids saying funny lines to an idiot adult.
The only real improvement of the remake was they had a girl that really could play baseball and it showed. Otherwise, not much justification for a remake.
Thank God for MOM.
joey's mom is smokin!
🧢yes he is😠
Actress names is : SHARI SUMMERS she was 29 years old in 1976
@@anthonyleachman3541-him!😡
Probably the sexiest person for 1976 or at least that generation
That slap was so raw. Movie had so many inccorect scenes but the slap stood out above everything. Just reinforces that child abuse is some of the worst shit you can do
Reinforces that so many parents even today take CHILDREN’S baseball way too seriously.
Mrs. Turner: MMMMILF!
Lets be honest. He did try to hit him.
I agree that he DID try to hit him, however, in his defense, Engelberg provoked him by flipping him off during this at-bat. If someone showed me the finger during an at-bat, I would probably zing one near his head or give him some sweet chin music as well.
@@scottdecker9115 it’s established in the movie that Engelberg and Turner don’t like each other. Turner literally calls him Englepuke when he first walks up to the plate. All is fair with the trash talk, but throwing the ball at his head was over the line.
@@tonyc7301 Oh no I agree, his actions were reprehensible. I’m just saying that Engleberg flipping him the bird, was the straw that broke the camel’s back so to speak.
@@scottdecker9115 Gotcha. If Engelberg had done that at any other time Turner probably would have blown it off. But it came right after his dad basically de-balled him and told him to walk him.
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Do that today and it will be uploaded on youtube in 10 minutes
Today Commemorates Vic Morrow's 100th Birthday
RIP 🕊
Vic Morrow 😍
@@dirtydragon9 yeah no shit
He was great in this movie
Joey mic drops his dad after hitting him accross the face on the mound is such a profound statement in movie making. A comedy sprinkled with real life complexities make this film a legend in its time.
Broken or wounded families. Bullying and peer pressure. The underdog vs the privilaged it reveals real life issues.
If this movie ended with the Bears winning it woudnt have been so believable. Its one of the best kids comedies ever and adults can also enjoy this film immensly.
It takes part in the 70s and represents the decade well.
You dont understand Buttermaker, thats Kelly Leak.....I can get.my curveball to break 3 feet. Ahmad in the tree in his underwear embarrassed at his errors. The coach tells him he is fast. I am fast arent i? Your real fast!
Tanner took on the 7th grade you took on the whole 7th grade?
We go a dollar a game here...
All memeorable moments in a movie chock full of them.
The moms a babe
And a bad parent. :)
@@jamesmary8953 actually I think you’re confused. Did you watch the clip?
Kid deserved to get struck, and the mom ain't nothing, dude. lol
This is the most 70s thing you can watch.
Try watching clips from Saturday Night Fever.
Vic Morrow was decapitated by a helicopter filming Twilight Zone in 1982. R.I.P.
Two chidren were killed as well. A few ppl should have been convicted of at least criminal negligence causing death.
@@chiefscheider yes I've watched a Cpl documentaries and such on it and it's a travesty there was not more culpability . They def got away with murder ..no pun intended
Such a good movie
Imagine the bad news bears meeting the Sandlot kids.
Tanner would take them all himself.
Good film.
One of the best sports films.
Ironic. He hits the kid and says, “You tried to hit him!” I never blamed that kid for just standing on the mound.
Roy Turner: "You tried to hit him!"
Joey Turner: "No, I didn't, it just got away..."
Roy Turner: *"DON'T LIE TO ME!!!"*
Do NOT construe this as saying It was right for Roy to hit his son, but he had every right to be angry his son resorted to headhunting...
But he tries to hit or scare him w anger ito
For Spanish people
See how innocent Engelbert looks when almost got hit. He was a kid
Read an interview with Brandon Cruz where he said that Morrow really slapped him...☹️
So did Larry and Curly and Shemp!
Joey wanted revenge on his daddy. So he gave engelberg an inside-the-park homerun.
Yeah I picked up on that too
I think that was literally the only way he could save face at that point. But I bet most kids would never trust or be close to a parent like that ever again.
Brandon Cruz, former lead singer of the Dead Kennedys
The son (Brandon Cruz) went on to become the lead vocalist for the Dead Kennedys from 2001-2003. 🤘🎸
WOW! No shit?
Gen x baby those were the days 💯👍👍👍👍
That's definitely the second Mrs. Turner.
Or third.
Joeys mom is a babe
70's and 80's had more hot women than now
@@MrJSpicoli I agree.
The mom is an actress named Shari Summers. She had a very modest career, probably her most prominent role was a small role in Harold and Maude.
She was 29 when this was shot. The bare midriff and, yes, how she plays this entire scene totally works. Her anger at Vic Morrow and her taking her devastated son home.
The more you know...
He was very impatient with his son, and he hit him? The nerve of him to do that. I know it's only a movie, but why did he go that far for?
with Mathau, Morrow, O'Neal, & the rest of the cast, how can you go wrong! I Keep forgetting Brandon "Courtship of Ediie's Father" Cruz played Morrow's son in the movie. He did an outstanding job too!
After turner slapped Joey, he didn't care about the game anymore. He hated his father for that.
Slapped him in front of everyone, after just about everyone saw Englebert flip him off and his dad told him not to pitch to him.
The kid did the one thing he could to shove it right up his dad's ass. Sad thing is, he was probably his team's best player, but a moment like that would prompt most kids to quit the game for good.
Ya think?
"@hectorlopez1069" That is what is obvious.
If you read the book, it becomes way more understandable why Turner did that. In the book, he watched from the stands as a kid got killed by a pitch the previous year. The trauma is obviously still with him, as he says that Joey's inside pitch "could've killed that kid."
I'm not saying that what Turner did was right. I'm just giving a rationale. He didn't just do that out of the blue.
The book 😄
The Bad News Bears by Richard Woodley 1976
I was a pitcher growing up and you have to understand this kid has a million things going through his mind when his dad says ‘low and away.’ If you watch Baseball (especially from that era) you would see brush-back pitches on a daily basis. Add the pressure this kid felt from father as coach (this is not an exaggeration as there were coaches like this who were nut jobs on the field). And it’s a recipe for this scene happening. I think he wanted to strike him out so bad, he overthrew the ball and that’s why it’s high and tight. But subconsciously he wanted to do it because that’s what Bob Gibson and Nolan Ryan were doing too in that era.
Englepuke flipped him the bird right before the pitch. It was intentional.
But u know how Hollywood is.. this is part of the formula
The Moment when Turner realized he already lost. I can picture clearly what happened after he got home from winning the game.
Nothing happened. His wife and kid were gone 😁
@@chiefscheider That's definitely a high possibility.
In all fairness as far as the bean balls concerned, Engleberg did flip him off!haha
Also. RIP Vic Morrow. He was killed on set of a movie I believe a few years after this in a horrific helicopter accident. He was decapitated
Yes. He died in 1982 during the production of Twilight Zone: the Movie.
Manager can’t make multiple trips to the mound in the same inning without taking out the pitcher!
.......dude.....
The basic rule of sports movies: if a rule gets in the way of the plot, ignore the rule...
I posted in the main comments... I was on a team that won a championship by forfeit because of that rule. The other manager got so mad that he pulled his team from the field.
And the organization running our leagues realized how damaging that was, and that manager got run out of there for good.
The coach hitting his son like that in front of players and spectators was kind of messed up. What he should've done is taken him off the game and deal with it back home.
That may be what happens now but this was the 70’s this is exactly how some of us grew to hate sports .
@@jeffreybeasley3086☹️ignore him
@@anthonyleachman3541 Good idea. Maybe.
Coach: "You tried to hit him, didn't ya?"
Kid: "No, it just got away -"
Snape: " *D O N ' T - L I E- TO-ME* "
If you look up the word 'Disheveled' in the dictionary - there's a picture Engleberg.
That kid just blew his chance at an MLB career.
🏡 ⚾
After this, Joey's mom demanded a divorce from turner.
When I played little league coaches had to change pitchers after 2 mound visits
0:54 “FUCK!”
Englebert wrecked that foul ball. He and Kelly Leak were quite a 3-4 gauntlet for any pitcher in the North Valley league. 😁
Kelly Lee
@@js70371 Kelly Leak. And Engleberg had been murdering the ball lately.
1:06
Roy: (to Joey) You tried to hit him, didn’t you?
1:08
Joey: No, it just got away.
1:09
Roy: (slaps him) DON’T LIE TO ME!!!!! You tried to hit him.
if he wasn't trying to hit him,he was trying to intimidate him. not the kind of thing to be teaching 10 year olds.
Great movie
Where is that Snickers bar when ya wanna get away???😂
I like to think there was poetic justice here. In the end, Buttermaker practically threw the game to not be like Turner, and Turner may have won the game, but lost the love and support of his son and wife.
I feel like that's what made the movie funny. How grown ass men took this game so serious and at the end you realize that they are coaching little kids lmao
And of millions of theatergoers and home viewers not yet dreamed of.
"@MrAnon00" I think that is the meaning of the movie.
Joey's mom was 🔥
"@rydawg7629" She went there? How do you know?
I saw this at the Drive in with my family as a kid no not a date so yes I watched the movie hehe.
3:50 is the best moment of this scene
Honestly😂 I had to rewind it. Shit was was crazy lol
Kids in this movie are so cute. 😊
😡 don't throw it
Dream Match-Up: Bad News Bears vs Charlie Brown's All-Stars
dad's coaching their own kids is always hard..probably for both of them. my dad coached me, and it's largely the reason i gave up baseball and focused on football. playing short, one got by me, and he stormed out of the dug out to yell at me "lay down in front of the damn thing next time!" ...i didn't want to play after that. He never hit me...but words can bruise too. the axe might forget, but the tree remembers.
Baseball is better without you and your soft emotions
"@vpirates62" Your testimony is important
@@LouieiuoL1223 Sounds like you feel offended.
@@obscurelyvague that your dad had you for a son , yes offended at that
We’ll not you but the son in question , I’m sure you and your dad are cool and if not give him a call
Makes me glad that I never pitched in Little League. The number one reason why I was never a pitcher, was because I didn't want to hit the batters.
People keep saying Joey was a bully like his Dad? How to people say THE DAD'S A BULLY? How is he different from someone like Lombardi. If Lombardi coached kids he would still demand excellence and the expectation to be WINNERS. The only problem is Little League is not divided up into kids that are there that have talent and want to win and the ones that don't.
Consider the parents of the BEARS players. Were they putting their kids on the best road to success? But no one criticize them.
The ma shoulda said "you told him to throw it 'low and outside'? like father like son...pfft".🤣
0:54 Still cracks me up 😂
I read once the kids on the set weren't too enamored with morrow lol
Artful
If I was the pitcher, regardless if I tried to hit the batter or not, if the manager smacked me like that, I would quit the team, and see if I can play for another team. If not, I would never play again.
Same here. Yes, trying to hit the pitcher deserves a reprimand, but slapping his son in front of everyone went too far.
Kid probably never played ball again after this.
Definitely not for a team his dad coached 😁
His own fault
I honestly thought after when the Dad smacked his kid, I thought his team were gonna throw the game after and have the Bears win it
Nope, Joey quit on his dad and the team.
@@hectorlopez1069 What his dad did was unforgivable - took the game out of his hands, then punished him for a pretty justified purpose pitch in front of everyone.
Parents like that then wonder years later why their kids never want to have anything to do with them.
@@macofalltrades6396That pitch wasn’t justified. It’s illegal to intentionally bean batters in baseball. His father was right to be angry at his son for breaking a rule. Where Morrow went wrong was when he hit his son instead of pulling him from the game and disciplining him off the field.
True, Godofwhatever. Coach should have waited til they got home, spanked Joey's bare bottom in front of mom, then demanded a blòwy in the hot tub à la Mel Gibson.
Am I the only one who is on the dad’s side? Even with the animosity between the coaches and the teams he still went out there and defended the bears players. He wasn’t wrong, had Joey hurt that kid his life would have been over, he would have been known as the emotional pitcher that hurt someone because he was upset that they were getting the better of him. The dad would rather be looked at as a bad father than let his kid flush his life down the drain and to see another kid get hurt
All the coach had to do was take him out of the game. Hitting the kid was flat out wrong, especially in front of the other players and parents.
@chiefscheider Tonight on the 10oclock news.....Coach gets arrested and is facing child abuse charges stemming from an incident at a local little league field.
Dr. PHIL....So your a lovely lady and you witnessed your abusive husband hit your son out there on the mound...has he ever struck you? Was he abusive in the bedroom? It's OK I know this is very trying for you and your son.
Court TV....Vinny Politan ...Tonight we have an update on the Little League Manager Murder trial as a 13 yr old boy killed his dad after one year ago being beaten in public while playing in a little league game. We ask the question, did the son fear for his life living under this abusive parents tyranny? We will ask the tough questions you want answers to.
In today's society things are looked at quite differently. Back then it is what it is and handled differently.
When it came to fathers coaching their kids how many kids and even parents felt thst favoritism played a big role in things. This scene does show a reversal of that. I do agree that after the blowback pitch he could have taken him out of the game but it was a movie which forces the issue on its viewership.
Great movie, not afraid to explore social boundaries and broken families.
@@chiefscheider this was the 70’s bro, it was a different time back then
Yeah, you pretty much are. You don't fucking hit a kid. It's not a hard.
@@carneasuhdude6823 Something being a "different time" doesnt make it ok.
In fact, the movie, which wasnt a period piece, made it pretty clear that it was not ok.
You are really showing your ass.
That Yankees coach really lost his head.
Too soon bro 😪
True story. In 1982, Vic Morrow (the actor who played Roy Turner in this movie) accidentally got killed from decapitation during the filming of Twilight Zone: the Movie.
I wish I could post the "I see what you did there!" Meme 😂😂
The joke going around that time was “How did the crew of the Twilight Zone know Vic Morrow had dandruff? They found his “head and shoulders” in the bushes.
@@user-em1dw3ft6m 🤣😂 oh wait im Sorry, Too Soon!!
While Joey should have followed his coach's instructions, what Roy did was inexcusable.
The slap was inexcusable, but getting angry at his son for trying to deliberately injure or kill another kid for giving him the finger was right...
Times like these, I'm glad to have a cat.🐈
When I was 12, my team won the championship game on a forfeit after one of our coaches noticed that the opposing manager would go out talk to his pitcher every time he called the batter over. In the third inning, he did that on every batter, and when he called over our third hitter, I could hear him saying, "just act like I'm telling you something to do."
When the other manager went to the mound, our coach signaled the umpire and pointed out that the manager had gone to the mound three times in the inning, and that by the rules, the pitcher had to be taken out. Their second best pitcher had worked most of the semifinal game, so the other team had no more pitchers.
The other manager got so mad that he pulled his team off the field and forfeited the championship to us.
Nice! F that guy.
"@macofailtrades6396" When was that?
Joey needed serious discipline for what he did, and Roy was right to be angry. Now, Roy should not have hit his son, but Joey was far from innocent in this. However, the person who always bothered me the most was Joey's mother, when she said, "You know why he threw it." Sorry, lady, but Joey getting flipped off did not give him the right to try and kill Engelberg.
Joey was a man and taught everyone a lesson. Flipping the bird is an Illuminati sign. Joey understood that it's just a game and that the competition was bringing out the worst in everyone. With that in mind, sometimes all people need is just an easy pitch and to get a hit and a run and to feel good. He fed his enemies so that they might have the chance to respond in kind. He showed his dad that it's a 'dead' ball game anyways.
She wasn't blaming the hitter. She was blaming her husband.
She knew her husband raised him to be a turd, just like his dad.
@@sbswtnchoice🤪
I wonder if she blamed Roy everytime Joey bullied someone........Earlier in the movie he steals Lupus hat and put ketchup in it as well as stuffing Tanner in a trashcan. She probably blamed Roy for that....
Coach was right, except for the slap. Kid was wrong in every shape matter and form.
This is probably a stupid question, but I believe this would count as an inside-the-park HR for Engelberg wouldn't it?
Yes
If I was Joey I wouldn't talk to my dad ever again
In the novelization of the movie, when the father got home Joey shot him
@@chiefscheider Haha this entire incident doesn't even happen in the novelization.
@@chiefscheider that’s if it happened today in our wimpy society. Back then the kid would’ve understood why the dad smacked him for trying to intentionally hit another kid.
@@Boygonebad The dad caused this. Period. You can't tell a kid to pitch around someone who flips you off - it'll only get worse from there. Also, a 12-year-old intramural pitcher couldn't kill a kid with a pitch - especially not one wearing a helmet. Dad was unreasonable throughout and the kid's no older than 12.
@@macofalltrades6396 the kid should’ve listen to his coach/dad instead of whining “but I wanted to strike him out”. Kid was jerk to Engleberg so let’s not act like he was bullied by Engleberg. The dad was right in telling him pitch away because Engleberg had a hot bat.
Just me, or is Joey Turner's mom kind of a babe?!......I fear I may have missed the point of the scene.
No “kind of” to it. She fully is. 😁
Kind of? Did you see her pooper?!?! ❤