Federation of the Americas | Call of Duty: Ghosts
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- When the great energy-producing deserts were destroyed, the world powers that depended on them collapsed. In their wake, the Federation of the Americas began to rise.
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Oh boy this is a cool thing to watch while playing some Stellaris. Speaking of Stellaris, *where is season 2?*
Interesting Video, I wonder if we will ever see a game or scifi novel in which a United Africa is a global superpower........................................
@@shzarmai I hope so, because if Africa United, it would take a while, but it would definitely become a super power, at the end of the century it's have 1.4 billion people and a great economy and military
@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 Yeah for sure and nice username btw XD
Should be the united states of africa
It always bothered me how little the federation was fleshed out. They just felt like faceless cannon fodder
You have described 99% of CoD enemies.
I do hope Ghosts eventually gets a sequel where both factions are better fleshed out, and hoping against hope here, but takes a page from the old Ghost Recon titles and focuses more on infiltration and stealth than the usual CoD title.
@@lordfrostwind3151 I'd honestly prefer a reboot so that it can be fleshed out better.
@@lordfrostwind3151 reboot is better, to make the og work better and less work for a sequel
@@jamier65551 fair enough, I would however like to see the story of Extinction continued, that hooked me in way more than the Zombies mode of the other games
Fascism actually has a pretty interesting history in South America, it being influenced mainly by Spanish Falangism more than German or Italian fascists, the many different ideologies like Peronism, national syndicalism, Brazilian Integralism (which interestingly preached racial unity as the movement's slogan), corporatism, and some smaller less prominent movements. A resurgence of South American fascism as a response to Western neoimperialism is a pretty interesting concept, but it falls on its face because CoD writers wouldn't know the meaning of the word "nuance" if it burned their houses down and painted its name with blood on the street.
Peronism isn't really fascits. It was always more of a third-position ideology, similar to De Gaulle's policies in France after WW2. Peron's opponents in Argentina would often accuse him of being communist because of his emphasis on poor people's working class rights, even if Peron himself said often that he was not communist.
Lucas Liso I literally found it by looking up fascist movements in South America tho.
Syndicalism???? *second weltkrieg intensifies*
@@afopreacher4903 *Down with the traitors*
@@CSLucasEpic He had many fascist tendencies tho.
* Brazil, Argentina e Chile United *
Uruguai: "Am I a joke to you?"
Você é BR também?
They would be like the Switzerland of America.
Small and rich.
Argentina and Brazil, in unison: kinda
@@gauchoryder6476 Como está a Argentina? Sei que seu povo está sofrendo com esse governo novo, não é atoa que no Uruguai, foram registrados 13.000 solicitações de cidadania uruguaia, além do golpe de estado K.
Cisplatina
"we made an new villain faction"
"will they use different weapons?"
"no, just reskined russian and american weapons for 80% of they"
As a latin american, the federation weapons are from latin countries
Taurus: exists
in mw2 they were worst, russians used ump, tavor and vector
@@flugel5554 and fal don't forget the fal
@@Jesus-jz6ll i'm also latin american, but i think the fal should had been the main weapon of the federation, it would had being more interesting, since it's less know.
It´s always funny how the Call of Duty series constantly has ultranationalist enemy faction while it itself propagates the kind of ultranationalist sentiment that even Douglas MacArthur would have found a bit much
Man, we could really use some of that nationalism these days....
Eu sou totalmente contra o ultranacionalismo mas em ver as nações latinas se unindo para virar uma superpotência econômica e o sentimento de valorização da cultura pré luso-hispânica e o sentimento de unificação de Simon Bolívar, até que deu um orgulho sim hein.
What?
@@wildbill9490 put on Google translator
@@martonrenan I’m talking about the original comment.
Not gonna lie. As a Colombian and South American I am really dissapointed at the wasted potential that was Cod Ghost history.
Lat america is never shown as a powerful enough to be able to have an important or dominant role in the world and when it is potrayed it is shown through the lens of corruption, inner conflict or narcos. (Not that this is completly wrong but we have gotten better over time, not close to the level of say the USA or EU though).
The fact that Latam when united we could become a force to be reckon with is something that hasn't been sploited or even shown in mainstream. So i was exited to see this developing subcontinent into a world power in probably the biggest AAA release. However what we got was your standard run of the mill Cod with a regular multiplayer.
I enjoy the campaing as an entertaiment piece and I always smile when i see the names of the important places of Latam at the start of the missions but i simply didn't get much from that besides entertaiment.
Perhaps is my fault to wanting to much from a cod game but i still had the hope that this could have been something different for cod...
Anyways excelent video as always.
Well I think the absolute worst part is that they didn't even slightly try to give any background whatsoever. We don't need everything but somethings at least.
Me robaste las palabras.
I'm an American who has been to South America. I agree with a lot of your sentiments. I have not been to Columbia, but I did visit Salvador, Brazil, and I have studied technological sectors in Panama and Chile. From what I gathered, it seems rather odd that Call of Duty fell back on the "totalitarian South America trope." To me, it seems that South America, probably within our lifetimes, will be filled with stable, prosperous, and strong nations. I looked at Brazil's navy and it reminded me of America's navy during the 1990s in terms of power. CoD should have done something more creative. I cannot honestly see countries like Columbia, Brazil, Chile, etc, falling under the sway of a multinational fascist dictatorship.
@@jtowers99 ;)
@@netherwolf3012 pretty much yeah.
I liked the accurate description of fascism. Many fictional depictions of fascism, and descriptions fictional governments as fascist, lazily just use it to refer to authoritarian dictatorships, but the emphasis on national rebirth is crucial.
hans
bring ze poopenfarten
Nice Yukio Mishima profile pic bro
Agreed. Fascism is a rebirth, a national revolution which encompasses every interest and part of society for the betterment of all national citizens
@@faustianimperium6066 cheers lad x
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I find It more shocking that the EU, Russia and the Asian major didn’t swoop into such a conflict
Not unless they have something to gain out of it.
Iirc in the very little lore of CoD ghosts the rest of the world was reeling from several conflicts that had them distracted and going through economic issues. Like a major war in the Middle East. Also 1) they either wouldn’t want to get involved because it means the US got smacked around and is no longer a super power and they could benefit from that. 2) they could sell arms to the Federation and probably other stuff like oil and supplies to the US. Or 3) lacked the ability to get involved. Even if Russia or China or the EU wanted to it’s not like they have the reach to do as such.
Like what the f*ck was rest of the world doing
I heard in the intro it said the nuclear war between Israel and Iran had caused the oil become worthless resulting in the first world economies being completely destroyed, while South America rises among the chaos
Lol cause now in their future as we living it, they probably were weakened after a European War and Taiwan Strait crisis
"The unlikely success of unification sentiment" is putting it lightly
these guys seem to have forgotten all of those nations fought massive wars with each other right. I mean Uruguay was almost whipped off the face of the Earth at one point in one of those wars.
@@Nostripe361 you're thinking of Paraguay i believe?
Brazil speaks Portuguese just increasing how unlikely this is lol
@@unkn0wnace You're right. Sorry I got it mixed up with a Uruguay civil war that brought in Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay. But my point still stands.
Saying these two countries would combine into a unified equal alliance is like saying All of Europe joining under a single ethnostate or the US taking Mexico and the Caribbean. There is no way you could make one nation in a region so big and diverse. The best you can get it is a European Union situation where they are all sovereign but work together for international gain.
LMAO yeah, it's borderline impossible.
making south america a super power was the only original aspect of COD ghosts, yeah the lore has its flaws and all, but the idea was interesting, sad they run out of new ideas when making the flag and choosing its equipment.(literally what matters in a FPS)
How would you've made the Federation flag?
@@Stinger522 well, i would first not paint it black and red, and then maybe use some most commom national or cultural simbols of south american nations to AT LEAST represent something...not just *EVIL EMPIRE FLAG Nº 29986*
I actually really like the federations flag. It speaks for its aggressiveness, powerfulnees and richness.
@@sseagle4173literally EU flag but black and red cause why the fk not. At least have a eagle holding two swords at least
The federation had potential but they didn't do enough of it
But as a European Federalist I'm still a little angry they dececrated our flag for it. 12 Yellow Stars in a circle on black ground? Geez, how lazy!
Replace "The Federation" by "COD: Ghost" and it work
@@ThompsonExpress my only problem with ghosts is the jank controls
@Thomas Morin US: *gets genocided by coalition of third world countries*
All of Europe and Asia: aight
Same thing with Ultra Nationalist Russia. They make such interesting enemies and never bother expanding on them
I have a soft spot for these guys, they were the antagonists of my first CoD game. I wish I'd get the chance to see them more.
Agreed bro
So you’re telling me South America kills close to 30 million people and the United States didn’t respond with Nukes.
they dont even try to explain that one in game.
Also they somehow managed to hijack the space ship that US used to board the space station. I'm confused on how they wouldn't realize that.
I can’t believe I’m agreeing with Ronnie here
@@JoseSanchez-rb4rz
Also there is something called a plot hole and psychoanalyzing imaginary people is useless and futile.
I think it was because of the Tel Aviv War. Nuclear weapons were apparently used in the Middle East, so it seems like the entire world agreed to disarm.
While the fictional state is lazy in design, I do think that the lack of indigenous designs in weapons manufacturing is a well thought detail
And stealing your enemy's stuff and use it against them is the most latinoamerican thing I've heard so far
Brazil and Argentina do a lot of indigenous designs. I don't know about the rest of Latin America, but those two countries have designed and built a lot of military hardware that they use themselves or export for other countries.
@@CSLucasEpic yes they do, but given the context of a rapid military build up and just a sudden economic boom, I could see more licensed or bought equipment filling the arsenals while creating the industry required for filling most or all need of production for the indigenous designs
@@Redmango69 I mean the Brazilian army be focusing on start to pump out a fuck ton of IA2 rifles
@@kennedytheretard975 Yes, small arms could be pointed out, but say, for example modern tank desings (The TAM could be mention but it could take some modernization wich would take some time) or a modern figther plane. Yes, a desing could be made, but againg it would need time. not only that, but acomodating the resources for production and building an industry big enough to build such thing would again take more time. Thats why I think the imported equipment and some licensed ones makes sense for filling the gap in the meantime. Because the time to do that sort of things would be at least a decade or two being optimist. Considering its latinamerica wich are we talking about, the military buid up wold be paid at least 3 to 5 times before it even begins and of course they're going to steal the fkin money of the program while its going. But hey, thank you for giving me the oportunity to talk shit a bit more on this comment secction lol
@@kennedytheretard975 the same with the mexican army and the xicoalt rifle
I never understood the ghosts timeline. With the hijacking of ODIN and the attacks, what would stop the US from responding with their massive nuclear Arsenal and turning South America to glass? I doubt the federation has nuclear weapons.
Ghosts was good but the whole premise was ludicrous.
Probably an anti nuclear system. Or maybe the world decided to get rid of them before the ODIN attacks.
@@connorgolden4 even with crisis in other first world contries/powers (russia would likely become stronger for a time due of it's oil reserves, this if isnt invaded by china or EU), there's no reason to the rest of the world just get rid of nukes.
also nothing in the game ever imply the federation had anti nuke systems,
in fact one file implies they may had nukes. "The number of casualties on impact suggest the Federation plans on using nuclear or kinetic-based attacks on U.S. soil, though the latter is pure speculation at this point.
"
Tanvir Chowdhury
Because only stupid people use nukes.
The contamination and falllout always reaches all the planet.
@@marcopena7638 yeah but when does the concern for the environment dictates any government action?
Maybe ODIN targeted the massive nuclear arsenal? ODIN is way faster than nukes and I doubt they could be seen in radar so it’s plausible
I’ve always loved the Federation’s black spec ops troops. To me they are on par with MW’s Shadow Company in terms of coolness and overall badassery/ badassitude.
Call of duty games actually can have some decent lore, especially infinite warfare
But the federation really makes no sense but had so much potential.
IW also has little sense
@@teslashark Yeah, still a decent story.
2 things, first, the lore of infinite warfare is just every story about the colonization of the solar system ever slapped together with ducktape and spit, second, the federation itself COULD make sense, is just that they don't elaborate on it, like... the lore is so unclear that apparently the federation started in argentina and chile and brazil, but the capital is in venezuela?, is all just a big mess that is stupid and rushed.
IW was interesting but it was just the old “rebellious colony vs home country” story with guns, lasers, and spaceships.
Why does the federation not make sense? Makes more sense than most other COD factions. Not a high bar to beat still. It’s not fleshed out but still makes more sense than Atlas, the SDF, and one guy from Black Ops 2, and whatever the fuck was going on in Black Ops 3.
@@connorgolden4 For you to say that you must be completely oblivious to the way south america works.
So you're telling me one of the wealthiest superpowers of it's own time IMPORTED RUSSIAN MILITARY TECH?! INSTEAD OF DESIGNING THEIR OWN?!
It's barely propped up in the lore as "not there yet"
Which makes sense. This timeline is on meth.
2014 sees the Federation formed and the rest of the world riddled with an energy crisis. And by 2015 they've conquered the continent, become the largest economy in the world, and are going to war with the US.
The game takes place in 2017 with the truce being broken.
So that's 3 years. The fact that the Federation tank is just becoming a prototype fits a realistic timeline, going from no tank to tank in 3 years.
@@romulus2473 the energy crisis makes no sense. the us has tons of oil(check out lastest imports vs exports) and with a price spike it'll have tons of fracking too, if anything us would be more powerful along with russia, why the heck would they fall or become much weaker?
Because the federation modernized too quickly to allow that. South America has a history of just buying other nation’s weapons and doesn’t have much experiences in making their own. Designing new weapon systems is pretty fucking expensive and time consuming. If you need a new military in the short term it’s better to just buy it than make it. And as stated they do want to make their own shit and they’re working on it.
They had the technical skill to build and run the larges oil export industry but not design weapons. Also, they had magic import portals to protect those import lines from the USN. Makes perfect sense.
@@andrewjones2453 at the time it seems like they were on some sort of positive terms with the US as they have Arleigh Burkes.
... Which makes no sense if a year later they're at war.
Interesting how the US is a net hydrocarbon exporter now. The plot has not aged well.
Natural gas is more environmentally friendly than oil for heating homes, water, and cooking than oil but the main problem will always be CO2 put out by car exhaust.
Indeed. In addition, let's be honest. If there was some kind of energy crisis and all of a sudden oil reserves in South and Central America were critical to the infrastructure and strength of the United States, they wouldn't just start sending billions of dollars to those countries and making them incredibly wealthy and do nothing. They would just take it.
And Venezuela, the county where Federation is spawned from, is suffering from a food crisis.
@@Laotzu.Goldbug Too expensive, is cheaper to just buy the oil, why would the US invade a place that has millions of relatives as its own citizens inside the US?
I think by 2017 the US and Federation were evenly matched, so the Federation's attack set us back while they moved forward.
If they could not make a sequel because of how COD Ghosts don't seem to be appreciated, then I might as well make my own: Logan Walker was to be rescued and would have to be rehabilitated due to his injuries. US forces with allies would push on into the Federation and end their regime for good. With the Federation's LOKI now into their hands, they now have the advantage they didn't have and are pushing on the offensive and they use it to target important military installations, command and supply centers, anything that would cripple the Federation so they coerce their surrender and possible breakup of their empire. Rorke would likely be killed in action by the Walker brothers for payback with the help of other Ghosts.
That's all I can think for now, but this is the basic premise. Anyone got other ideas for it?
Naaah, playing as Logan's brother, fighting against a broken Logan (as Rorke is) only having Logan become good again at the end, something like Anakin you know
"push on into the Federation" Attacking the whole South America would be a logistic nightmare. Massive mountains, jungles and deserts, no infrastructure in massive Amazonia. I don't see how could it be defeated conventionally
@@Solaxe Nuke them from orbit.
@@flavius2884 they have the federation version of ODIN, so yeah, they would nuke federation strategic regions
@@unihabitedwhip4626 In the last mission, when they hijacked ODIN, they could have hit more important comand centers and defence bases. But they wasted them on tanks and infantry. Or they could use it to carve a road through the rainforest.
Any lore justifications for why the initial orbital attack on the US did not resulted in a nuclear retaliation?
not at all, even if it was because the federation also had nukes, that much damage would be awsered with nukes.
The ghosts timeline is probably the most absurd out of all the call of duty timelines. The federation didn’t have nukes or at least it’s never mentioned. If the federation actually attacked and killed 20+ million people like ghosts, the US would’ve turned South America to glass.
@@Chutneybhai Well when digging a bit it's even more absurd...
1. Is NATO still around? Because if yes then it's not the a US vs South America war but a proper world war with most European powers (including 2 nuclear power) on the side of the US
2. What happened to European territories in South America like French Guyana or the Falkland? If they were annexed then it would have resulted in a war against a nuclear power (France or the UK) as at least for French Guyana it is as French as Alaska is a part of the US and for the Falklands well last time Argentina tried the UK didn't let it go. And if not that's some perfect beachheads into the federation.
This timeline sure makes no sense
@@t3st1221 NATO is referenced only once in rocke's files, where it say: "With NATO and Allied Forces spread thin, other governments seized an opportunity to monopolize their own resources and consolidate power over neighboring countries."
@@marrvynswillames4975 So I am guessing that NATO is fighting russia and china at the same time keeping them busy while the us is dealing with the federation .
Somebody drank a fifth of Jager and watched the fifth season of "The Last Ship", then came up with this. Great job.
This was even before TLS Season 5
Ive always thought this idea had potential, if they fleshed out the lore a lot more, and didn't have a lazy flag we could've had something pretty cool
Technically it was Venezuela, Brazil, and Chile who united to form the base of the Federation; not Argentina. Argentina actually resisted to the point they were the last free nation in S. America and it was the Federation invasion of Argentina that provoked the invasion of Caracas by the US in 2015.
We need a sequel. We need a sequel. We need a sequel.
DO WE REALLY?
Yes
The sequel will take you to Brazil
@@echo673 that's a *sopa macaco uma delicia* moment
@@sweetballs4742 indeed
Speaking of Federation, and South American, it would be nice if you covered Mobile Suit Gundam Earth Federation, which had its military headquarters in the very heart of the Amazonian Rainforest, Jaburo. And its flag resembles a lot the Brazilian flag
After Hamas launched attacks against Israel, it reminds me of this, the "Tel Aviv War" in Call of Duty: Ghost. I afraid this would be the prophecy.
Right
And now Venezuela is going after Guyana. Coincidence?
We are living the beginning ??
This is bound to be a good one!
May I ask about possibly doing Outer Heaven or FOXHOUND from MGS?
MSF!
This is crazy, I started playing again a week ago and was thinking about this and looking at the wiki. I had an idea to make a video like this but you beat me to it. Figured no one would look back on the lore on this game. Good job m8
“What should we do for a flag?”
“Evil EU!”
My favorite part: Brazil, Argentina and Chile together to fulfill the dreams of Simon Bolívar.
None had nothing to do with Bolivar, and everyone hates the other and have a century long ambition of supremacy in South America.
Its sad to think someone was paid to do the "historical research" in the development of this game.
far les problems that france and germany
@@anuvisraa5786 Less, than*
@@vascostich9578 yes my bad
There’s hardly been any wars in South America in the past century. Europe has literally ancient rivalries and grudges, the two deadliest wars fought in a 30 year span, and the Cold War...and were able to form the EU. Plus, Europe is way more diverse than South America. If you told someone back 1900 about the EU they’d say it’s impossible. So those three uniting isn’t all that crazy.
In the past the proyect of "ABC Pact (Argentina, Brazil and Chile)" in a military and economic alliance to counter the influence of United States, france and UK in south América was Almost a reality.
Plus, José Gervasio de Artigas who wanted to unite south América. (Thanks to the support of Uruguay and federals in Argentina), Juan Manuel de rosas (from Argentina, wanted see Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay and Bolivia in one country) and ex countrys like the Perú-Bolivian Confederation, The great Colombia, the hispanism and the dream of "La Patria Grande" (the great Fatherland, unión of latín american countrys) still being popular at this days.
This video already giving more lore on Ghosts than the game did.
I'm not even sure the lore in this video is right honestly...
@@murciadoxial8056 potentially inaccurate lore > no lore whatsoever
@@romulus2473 eh, is the same because if it is inaccurate then it could also be completely made up
"Brazil, Argentina and Chile"
it was Venezuela, Brazil and Chile. I mean hell, one of the missions you invaded Caracas for a reason.
I find it really pleasing that this channel goes into Call of duty lore, i find it really interesting as it isnt really touched on like other games' lore.
That has to be one of the silliest "what if" scenarios I've heard of.
Command and Conquer 3
Everything about the Federation reeks of lazy world-building. You're seriously telling me that all of these South American Nations, with distinct language and cultural differences, and past rivalries and grievances against each other, just one day decided to band together and form a new nation? I'd have an easier time believing in a Canadian invasion of the USA (I'm Canadian btw).
With the exception of Brazil (Portoguese) all of South America speaks Spanish. With local dialects differing but considering the EU somehow makes Federalism work with more than 20 different languages it doesn't seem to far off. But for a pan-National entity like this to form there needs to be a catalyst. Something causing people to actually want setting aside national differences. In Europe that catalyst was WW2.
well i mean it has happen before >.>; yall burned down the white house...tho if it happen agin, i figure most people in the us would just think you came over for dinner and left us more maple syrup than we can use in the next 3 years... an a guard mouse
Honestly, I'm lowkey _hoping_ for that invasion, and I'm in Eastern Washington!!!
Pan-Americanism is an actual ideology though
The only rivalries we have in South america are from Chile and Argentina, Venezuela and Colômbia, the rest of the countries are good friend of each other, and just Brazil doesn't speak spanish, i think its difficulty but not impossible
It is an interesting concept for a faction in an alternative history scenario. But it would never work in reality, not in the past and not in the future.
Brazil would never join in, and if we did, it would be met with universal resistance. We are just too different from the other Latin American nations. We also don’t like this whole expansionist thing; too much work and violence, and not a lot of profit to be made.
Also, COD had the opportunity to make an awesome faction, and an awesome campaign, capitalizing in the internal politics of the faction and deepening the story. But we got evil south Mexico instead.
Brazil is probably the most interested in joining. While most of the regional pacts are economic, Brazil is the one that most encourages the creation of joint ventures, including at the military level.The language is not the greatest of its problems, but the corruption that damages almost any economic union. The only one that could replace is Mexico, but they have other problems, such as being almost half a continent away.
I agree, Brazil is basically another continent. They only have influence over Argentina. Paraguay and Uruguay are too small to matter, 90% of the rest of Latam have little to no contact with Brazil.
@@celdur4635 Basically no, they only talk about South America in the video
I don't know about the integration thing, but Brazil was all about expansionism in the 19th century. Trying to take over Uruguay, taking a chunk of land from Paraguay, and later from Bolivia...
@@CSLucasEpic Well because you guys crashed against Argentina, and from then on we all avoided massive wars
I would lean towards the part where the Federation are US-Canada allies instead since they all could be dealing with cartel presences like Las Almas cartel and Cordis Dies in south Americas which I do think they're still around in COD Ghost if we're using the rebooted COD story. A most likely used story for a revamped Federation is them dealing with civil conflicts against cartels alongside their American-Canadian allies.
I like how it’s always “the greatest shift in power since _____.” But like every forty years somebody just gets a dart and throws it at a globe and goes “yep, that’s the new challenger.”
You should cover either Belka or Osea from ace combat strangereal
Why is mèxico a push over?
If anything, invading Mexico would be like invading Iran. Not to mention the gurilla fighting that would happen after collapse.
The US would have used Central America as a choke point to stop the Federation from expanding even further.
Ironically Mexico is the strongest country of Latin America
@@Elitecommando501 Is Brazil a joke to you?
Also, Mexico does not makes part of South America.
@@Elitecommando501 Brazil actually
@@Elitecommando501 XD
> Federation of the Americas
> Appropriates European symbolism
Bruh
Makes me miss this game. The world building was not perfect but it was there for you people who did not think it had much, and the federation buying Russian and American arms while they worked on increasing the indigenous industry was sort of realistic. Was also a refreshing change of enemies to fight against. The extinction mode was also fun.
I wish that we got even a mere fraction of this detail in the game
Am I the only one who really wants a Federation of the Americas that includes all countries in the Americas and the Caribbean?
Yoooooo I've been waiting for an in-depth look at them! Thanks!!
I’m honestly sad we’ll never see a Ghosts sequel, because the Federation of the Americas is an absolutely fantastic nation concept, especially their origin. :(
The COD ghost series world is just ridiculous and not in a good way. There’s a lot to dislike about it.
Every cod's world is absurd.
Im biased to love mw2 and mw3's campaign, but all of the factions are basically "we bad, look how scary we are, now everyone suffer like us"
@@icantthinkofaname4265 Well I think part of it is that they are real armies and what not, even if ridiculously exaggerated there was still natural background there. The Federation, which is even named lazily, was completely new and needed SOME kind of background, yet there is little to nothing so it feels even worse compared to exaggerated factions.
@@netherwolf3012 lol k.
Think of black ops two. What the fuck were those orange ass generic enemies? Black ops three? Robots were cool as fuck but the factions were generic
Agreed. When the smartest characters in the game are the fish, something's wrong.
@@icantthinkofaname4265 Well I was referring to MW moreso. BO3 is another absolute joke in storytelling. BO2 was lacking in explaining the factions, however they at least still had a very interesting story with a leader that while difficult to believe, is interesting. Oh, and the SDI was a little out there in some ways, but you could at least get what they were going for mostly.
It is a very interesting idea, quite practical and beneficial for those who involved in the real world, in a not far future, too bad they never made a sequel after this first episode.
It's very useful for Venezuela and Brazil to join together in a world in a energy crisis that had a huge war in the middle east and the world needing oil would set the stage for Venezuela to be a powerful and wealthy spot in the world and Brazil being right there making it easier to join is beneficial to each other Venezuela supplies oil etc and Brazil has the military industrial capabilities and population to support a military force and be a super power
Maybe a good name for the podcast could be 'Analysis'. It fits the naming conventions of the other Templin programs and, well, it's analyzing a faction/nation to see if it (and the world itself) holds up.
You forgot Venezuela. The Federation capital is Caracas, which is the national capital of Venezuela.
you know i feel like they could of made the federation more of a sympathetic and morally grey area style faction. they can still do evil things but you could also show them doing good thing. they could easily make the player question if fight them is the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do.
The federation are the good guys
Topic Idea: Republic of The Sphere, Highlanders, Swordsworn (from Battletech/Mechwarrior)
I'm somewhat impressed with the backstory, but I think the Federation could've been better without anything totalitarian or fascist-related. I'm sure that if members of the nation weren't so brutal and that they used their resources to make South America a better place, I think that the people of South America would be more than happy to live under their rule. I think the Federation can be redeemed, all they have to do is change their ways by giving their people protection, respect, and better lives, pull away from the United States, apologize for breaking the truce, and get rid of Rorke.
Linguistic and geographic barriers prevent Brazil from absorbing any of its neighbors, except maybe small, weak ones.
I think a more realistic alternate future for South America would have been for the continent to be divided between two blocs: "Greater Brazil" and the Spanish-speaking "Andean Federation."
The Andean Federation would have been much like the E.U.: a customs union with a single currency and military.
The two blocs would be at odds over who controlled Bolivia.
Finally, an explanation to what the federation actually is.
currently a federation of the americas could become canon
the comment section:
99% worldbuilding is bad
1% i been waiting for this one
Call of Duty Ghosts is such a strange title in the franchise. It’s simultaneously one of the worst and most generic, stereotypical CoD games in the entire series, while also having some of the most wasted potential of any Call of Duty ever released in terms of storyline and world building. This could have been a worthy successor to the Modern Warfare series and could have built a world with history, culture and lore rivaling the Killzone series (one of my gold standards for FPS/war game world building, history and fictional nations).
The Federation of the Americas is on paper one of the most unique factions I’ve ever seen in a mainstream war game - but they just don’t do anything with it. We could have had a game where you play as a lowly soldier in a massive war in a devastated southern United States, a weakened regional power fighting off the superpower Federation’s invasion. It could have been grounded and interesting, but instead, they went as laughably stereotypically CoD as they could have. A bunch of MW2 Ghost rip off eLiTe sPeC oPs bAdAsSeS singlehandedly wipe the floor with the Federation and attack into the heart of the country. The only threat to them and the greatest weapon the Federation has is quite literally a middle aged American guy, a brainwashed “Ghost”, who is much more the enemy in this game than the Federation ever was. It’s just so stupid, and the wasted potential here is practically tragic.
This video touches on all kinds of cool things that the game could have, like Bolivarianism being a driving force behind the Fed, Caracas valuing its relations with indigenous people, fascism born out of Latin American marginalization and exploitation - I don’t know where you guys got that stuff or if it’s written anywhere, or if it was just made up out of indirect implications from the game - but I don’t think the campaign ever touches on any of this stuff. I don’t know, it’s probably expecting too much out of CoD, especially 2013 CoD, but this game was such a let down given the premise. I almost want them to revisit the Ghosts universe and flesh it out more. I think a reboot would serve better than a sequel, but since there’s pretty much zero demand for that, I doubt it will ever happen.
You want an origin story of this South American federation. Here’s my head fiction. When the Tel Aviv War occurred in 2005. It sparked this worlds world war 3. And it had the us and west Europe defending Israel. Their mutual ally. And fighting against the Middle East coalition who want to “liberate” Palestine and the Middle East from western influence. But it had financial backing from China and other anti west countries. Like socialist led Venezuela. But this war created a oil crisis in which the superpowers felt this war was pyrrhic. This war was spread worldwide. With other wars that started before the Tel Aviv war occurred. Especially the lat Am war of 2003 in which Perus government fell under the shining path rule and its exiled government asked North American states to coup Peru. But this sparked a continental war itself. It spread into Bolivia, Ecuador and Colombia. And even Venezuela itself. But because the Chinese had aided the socialist rebels in South America, they send their PLA army forces to South America. Even with Brazil helping the USA and Mexico invade the neighboring countries, it wasn’t enough to allow the guerrillas to retreat. Even the normal citizens had enough of the foreign armies invading their homeland and took arms. The Latin American Militia was formed, as a third party opposition. Only this militia ended the decade war. And the end of this war went to the side of the militia. This militia would plant the seeds of the Federation of the Americas. They used Venezuela as its birth ground of the federation. Despite the damage in Venezuela. The oil energy was preserved. And therefore with backing from China. The federation was born.
I wish we could've gotten a Ghosts sequel.
Their Flag looks like the USEA federation flag from Ace Combat Infinity, which was just an inverted Osean federation flag.
I unironically like Ghosts and the Federation as the "bad guys" but they should've been given more nuance. Keep the lore but add in some Federation characters, both clearly evil and ones who are good people who believe in it. Shades of grey, and all that.
The premise seems a bit insulting toward South America. It essentially says that the way they become a super power requires two things. One, that they unify. Which is understandable. However, the second is that all current super powers and their rivals fall.
"Hey kid, you can become captain of this ship too. With the chain of command, it just requires that everyone else dies first."
Well, all superpowers falling apart is more likely than south america uniting under one flag.
Classical US bias
Love this call of duty
Warhawk and prison break was one of the best maps in cod history
It would have been more believable that they made the countries of the 2 main economical agreements in the region (The Pacific Alliance and the MERCOSUR) united and after a sudden war among them one side ended up winning and controlling the region. Then you have a real explanation for the authoritarian state where they need the losing side's people to be kept in check and in order to show they can handle the situation the newly form government shows their force through ultranationalism and new policies.
Can you do the Holy Britannian Empire next?
Seeing that concept art from the worst tank level ever, made me remember something I wish I had completely forgotten. Otherwise decent campaign and those space levels were fookin bad ass!
I'm trying to write a story following this exact storyline. It follows a United States (or a USA and Canada united to form the American Continental Republic). Formed after an unspecified disaster, the USA and Canada united to consolidate the defense of the continent. In time, the countries of South and Central America, led by Venezuela, united to form a union similar to the Federation from Call of Duty Ghosts. These countries joined either willingly or through an occupation. Eventually, the Federation began to invade the southern states of the US.
The stories focus on different soldiers and their units fighting on different fronts to beat back the invasion, and push back the enemy to its capital.
If anyone could offer some feedback to the concept, it would be great.
Link of the story ?
@@spirz4557 what do you mean?
@@massimoforesti6591 Did you posted the story somewhere ?
@@spirz4557 No, I'm still trying to write it. It's really just a pet project I've been working on when I have the time
@@massimoforesti6591 Well, I wish you the best.
The idea of Venezuela becoming a superpower during an energy crisis is laughable.
@@elitegamer9310 Their oil needs significant refining tho to be commercially viable, so not even that.
Well, Venezuela have the greatest oil reserves of the world.
Viva Chile!
Federation: No! We're in my own Chile!
Oh, Viva Federation!
F: Good boy
“Are we gonna ignore all of the ethnic conflicts this nation would create?”
Activison: Yea why not
“Even though this has been tried before in the real world and it failed?”
Activision: It will be original no other video game company has done this before
“But wouldn’t a 2nd American Civil War be better and more meaningful?”
Activison: No thanks I’m to lazy for compelling story lines just plop 2 nations together and we’ll be good
Well if they actually had put forward any effort it could have been very interesting.
If the EU works a South American Federation could. Western Europe too had a long history of conflicts and wars and they are now closely tied with one another so it wouldn’t be far cry for the possibility of such a state. However there would need to be a unifying force that would necessitate such a drastic change in politics which was lazily done in Ghosts.
@@nathanialramirez160 Now, Covid stopped our lessons before we could learn about the EU, but wasn't part of it that the post WW2 aid money, helping bring western Europe to about equal in terms of modernization, had a major part in actually making it function at first?
(And, doesn't South America have a big corruption problem in more places than may perhaps be allowable for a multinational economic union to work?)
@@mosesracal6758 NO KAISERREICH REFRENCES!!!
The Federation of the Americas is the Simón Bolívar's dream.
Oh it's this old story again?
Boy this seems like I've heard it again...
Yes! Forgotten COD bad guys!
>tfw there will never be a COD: Ghosts 2
They'll get around to it, wait for MW 2(2)
Or an INFINITE WARFARE 2 for that matter
But I think they should get someone more knowledgeable to help the writing team out first considering the somewhat cookie cutter story made for IW and Ghosts
Whilst I love the concept of a federation of states, the only thing these states have in common is that they speak a Latin language. They don't even put in the effort to build a common culture in the game, and as a paradox player who knows the ins and outs of how difficult nation building is that's very annoying to me. It's quite sad honestly because the concept has a lot of potential however the poor execution just rubs me the wrong way.
I mean. We have the EU, which is far more diverse in terms of language, religion, and culture. And let’s not forget that Europe has been greatly divided and full of rivalries since the fall of the Western Roman Empire, including two world wars. So it’s not crazy that South America could unite.
THANK YOU
Yeaa this is me ,Viva Caracas ,Viva Federation
The writers kinda wrote themselves to a corner concerning the war
Can you do an analysis on the Western Coalition or Red Star Alliance Factions from Frontlines: Fuel of War?
Call it south american bias, but I think the villain nation of Ghosts was actually the one that built a fucking kill sat capable of obliterating entire cities.
Well, in real life we know that the real villain is the one that forced german scientists to work in weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands of civilians.
I agree that the feds weren't all that fleshed out, I still like the game but I would love a sequel where the feds and the world of cod ghosts are more fleshed out
Middle East: *self-destructs in a titanic war that leaves Europe and the US without their precious oil.*
Federation: finally, it's our time to shine!
Russia, a country with lots of oil and fuel: looks like payday came earlier, boys! 💰💰
India: *Tunak Tunak starts playing in the distance.*
China: agree! And since the world market is gone, I don't even need the northern baozuas anymore! 💰💰
South America could be living in the stone age in 60 minutes of anything like this ever happened... RT!
Portuguese speaking Brazil joining spanishing speaking literally everyone else? that killed my suspension of disbelief in the first 5 minutes of the game 7 years ago
super venezuela
@Ygor K its capital is literally caracas
@Ygor K Venezuela Brasil and Chile were the original members of the federation
Maybe do the Pacific Federation from Project Wingman
I like how the narrator subtly points out how it makes no sense.
Never in a million years I expected to see my home country (Brazil) as a antagonist in a game. Sure, lately Brazil has been it's worst enemy with all the fascism and shit...
It's ya Time to shine as a global power lol
Well, as a country it's hard to be the antagonist when you didn't pissed many countries by doing atrocities. Paraguay possibly could, but they don't have many pieces of well-known medium.
But as a brazilian character in foreign media? Jeststream Sam is one the antagonists and rival character to Raiden in Metal Gear Rising, and is brazilian.
I would say Gundam as well, but they are not exactly the antagonist. In Gundam, Brazil basically conquered the whole world, so everyone is brazilian.
You think you guys can do Task Force 141 next?
"a resurgent Russia"
i know hindsight is 2020 but ha that aged like fine milk
Aged like what? Russia is indeed resurging as the world today is becoming multi polar. We see that in the events unfolding now. Your head must be under the sand the whole time for you to not know this. Then again the vast majority of Westerners are. 😂😂😂😂
@@jaypeedesuyo662 yeah definitely not
Modern Warfare just added a skin thats from one of the Ghosts in the Caracas raid called "Nostalgia"
CoD Ghosts 2 is coming soon
@@EliteLenny223-Main yes it is
@@mariagloriadelcarmen no its not, the next IW game will be a sequel to MW19, they wont do a sequel for Ghosts for now since the game wasnt well accepted in the franchise
@@fuckedlaptop364 in 2023 is the 20th anniversary of the 1st CoD game series
Thank you the video, and the English subtitle.
More like the Federation of the Latin Americas
UCA
United
Countries of
Americas
Unpopular opinion: I actually liked the Ghost campaign.
But of course, the storyline might not be as good as Modern Warfare or Black Ops. One thing that I don't like about Ghosts is that they cut out the iconic weapons of the game(like M4A1 or MP5). But I think it's a pretty decent game compared to infinite warfare or advanced warfare.
Whether you like it or not, it is a game that deserves a sequel.