I worked in care for 13 years. I had to leave due to the care being provided. These residents pay £600 to £1000 a week more sometimes but do not get the care they deserve. Being gotten up at atrocious times and made to go to bed early. No freedom of choice. They have to sell their houses for this. My heart goes out to them. They are supposed to be living their end of life with dignity and happiness. Please try to keep your family at home for as long as you can. ❤
The care home my Mum is in for respite currently are allowing her to stay up late even though she's getting over pneumonia and is prone to delirium. Respite? Ha! I'm going to pick up a nightmare!
I am so very angry about all of this. Billionaires wealth is ever increasing, big corporations are reporting record profits, we fund wars, bankers receive big bonuses I can go on.... The distribution of wealth is unfair. Our governments are incompetent. All millionaires themselves and they cannot be trusted. The carers get paid pittance. Dismal.
Absolutely. Just look how the very rich Michelle mone got 200m contract but she gave nothing back. She provided nothing. Billions goes to super rich people already.
What a grim prospect. Slaving away to own a home for a brief period of stress-free living. And then, just not that long after paying off all the debts, you have to sell that hard-earned home to spend the rest of your days with strangers, having a tiny room that’s not even yours as far as ownership goes. I live in SE Asia country, where several generations live together. The grandparents help take care of the kids when they’re young, and in turn the grandchildren and the children take care of them when they’re no longer functioning properly. But I think they’re industrialising here as well, and the trend is following the West at alarming rate.
Perhaps if the families did more, most elderly that go into homes never have any family visit them, even if they live close, people use care homes as dumping grounds for the elderly where they can forget about them. People don't have to go into homes they can have care at home, which is cheaper and they get assistance for it.
My mother asked me that she never be sent to a home, she would rather die in pain in her own home. Her reasoning being that a home is where we send those we no longer care for, a place where strangers tell you what to eat, what to do, when to sleep. The homes are businesses for those who gain profit off those who no longer any one to care for them. She was correct.
I promised my mum I'd never put her in nursing care. She had vascular dementia and I failed to look after her as social services took all my rights as her daughter and moved her into a home as she was violent. I tried to get her home but they refused saying her needs were to be provided by a specialist unit. It was a nightmare, honestly the worst time of my life and I beat myself up everyday because the care she got was inhumane. I nearly had a nervous breakdown. Until you are caring for a loved one at home with dementia you will never understand the desperation for help.
I'm sorry to learn that the SS aren't letting you look after Mum, what a feeble excuse. Have you seen the specialist unit, I don't believe they exist. I'm in my 70s and moved into sheltered accommodation when I became homeless. A woman living here, in sheltered housing, has narcissistic traits, verbally abusive, screams, yells, growls, swears like a fishwife, her every other word if fing or cee u next Tue. swear words. She is about 62 and doesn't have Alzimers or friends now. She was banned from the Coop shop for threatening to stab an assistant and cut her up into little pieces. Furthermore, she claims to have been in jail for 7 years for attempted murder. While in jail, she says that she was friends with Rose West and Myra Hindley. If specialist units were available, the woman living here should have been in one long ago. Good luck, I hope you can get Mum back.
I have cousins who own care and nursing homes and they would be deeply offended by your comments, they all ex NHS nurses who opened homes to provide real care for patients. Yes they are businesses so what? they have to earn a living and pay staff as well as everything else. They make next to no profit and what they do make goes back into the homes, where they use the money to take them for days out, or update/upgrade their homes etc. Patients go to bed when they like, there is a menu to choose from for their meals and no one tells them what to do. I don't know where you've been but not all homes are the same. If people don't want to look after relatives as it gets in the way of their lifestyle, who else is going to do it? Perhaps the public attitude needs to change towards care homes and carers, and then may be more people would be interested to go into care and then things would be better for homes and patients.
I worked for many years in adult social care, for a local council. Believe you me the only professionally well run care homes, were owned by the local council. Criminally they were all sold off and this is what we have ended up with. It is beyond acceptable, nowhere that provides care should be run for profit.
My cousins own care homes and they have seen enough badly run local authority care homes, they have patients transferred from local authority care homes that have arrived with bed sores. funny enough none of their patients ever have bed sores. Why shouldn't care homes make a profit? My cousins put that money back into their homes and take patients for days out, upgrades and maintenance on the homes etc. If homes don't make profit then they can improve the homes or meet the cost of bills when things like energy go up.
@@sammic7492 The authority I worked for does not run any care homes. Maybe your cousins homes are run to a decent standard, I have no idea. But the worst thing that happened to adult social care, was the Care In The Community Act 1990, in principle it was passing the buck from the state into private hands, more wealth transfer from the people of this country. It ushered in many unscrupulous care home owners who were simply there to skim as much money as they could from the government, this is simply a fact. I worked during this period and yes there were some care homes that went above and beyond, however they were few and far between. I will reiterate care should not be profit driven.
the majority of elderly residents in these institutions pay hundreds of thousands of £ to be badly housed, poorly fed and badly looked after in these terrible institutions! our own are at the bottom of the heap when it comes funding
Care homes charge the residents a fortune, the food they give out are very small portions, and they pay the staff rubbish wages. How can they be underfunded?
Because despite the low wages, it’s a job that heavily relies on manual labour 24/7/365. Typically, 5 residents share the wage of 1 care assistant (about £380 a week each) and that’s before you start to add the nurses, hospitality staff, maintenance, admin etc etc. You can imagine how much the costs have gone up with each minimum wage increase. Now imagine if the staff were paid fairly…
@seanpeterdawsob is absolutely right. A care-home has to employ 3 shifts per day 365 days per year and if you run the maths it costs a fortune, even at minimum wage. A single care post requires 4.2 people-weeks to fill, with nights and weekends. For a 40 hour per week rota, with legal-minimum holiday-pay, NI and pension (on top of salary) a minimum wage position costs the employer around £24,000 per annum or £100,800 just to staff one care post round the clock, without a single penny for unsociable hours payments. But it doesn't stop there - catering, maintenance, cleaning, heat & light, medical bills, physio, administration, staff training, compliance, HR etc, etc. Few care homes make a penny of profit and many go bust.
I moved to France 7 years ago and my mother moved here 3 years ago. She’s 78. The system here seems to be that people stay at home rather than go into homes as they age and the onus is on families to rally round and look after their parents. Care homes do exist but they are the exception rather than the norm. Mum can access an allowance of up to 3500€ a month for help with carers, a maid, a housekeeper and a gardener. It’s a completely different attitude to elderly care plus the French in my experience have greater respect for the elderly.
In the UK people don't care about their elderly relatives, my hubby worked in care for more than 20+ yrs, and he used to get really angry at the amount of people who never saw any relatives even those who were local, until after their relative died and who then would all of a sudden pretend to care.
I find this report pretty extraordinary because it misses out the big elephant in the room: the profits made by care home providers. Why didn't Channel 4 check to see whether the 'cost of providing care ' is the actual cost or whether it includes a built-in large profit for these companies, many of which are owned by offshore trusts? How much of this money is being paid out to shareholders? Also no mention of the massive cuts to government funding of local authorities since austerity started 13 years ago. Poor work, Channel 4!
You are asking the right question. I work in this sector and although I can’t speak for all companies I know that mine makes a juicy profit from their clientele. It’s so lovely to know that there is large profit to be made from other peoples illness and misfortune. Capitalism at its finest.
@@shadowsinvortex7990 good to hear from someone who works in the care sector! I think the media police themselves and that's why they don't report this - too politically sensitive - the government wouldn't like it? I can't think of any other reason!
Lets not overlook the families who are caring for their loved ones a few are entitled to £76.75,/wk if either don't work or earn above a threshold. Those carers who are pension age are not even entitled to this payment. They care 24/7, if they have assets they have to pay for any and all care, people who have worked all their lives, and saved for their futures are entitled to very little or nothing, these people are penalised for investing in their futures. Care worker don't get paid enough, but agencies charge a great deal more than they pay their staff and staff are often overworked lots don't even get sick pay and are forced back to work before their ready, due to not being able to afford to be sick. The whole system needs overhauling
I don’t get why people dump (yes dump) their parents/grandparents in these abusive negligent homes. Why don’t they look after their loved ones, perhaps then they would actually deserve the inheritance. Id rather care for my parents and be in hardship than to abandon them in a so-called care home. I worked in a care home, the staff were overstretched, it was a physical job and the pay was rubbish. I left because the care was inadequate and it was heartbreaking . I remember a frail man having lots of pictures plastered on his wall of his extended family. None of them ever came to visit and no body bothered to care after he died, yet he would talk about them with such love. Most of the residents are in the same situation. One lady’s family didn’t even give her clothing. Staff bought it out of pity, using their own wage. There is a morale decline. Even NHS have elders who are stuck in hospital beds because there is no one to look after them at home, despite having kids. The elites encourage this because they want to take the home off the elders. And sometimes even the children do elders abuse to get the inheritance. These elders get Absolutely no respect for their sacrifice - they sacrifice everything to raise and protect their children, only to be abandoned in old age. Don’t bother wasting money on a fancy funeral if you can’t be bothered to care and spend on them while they are alive in their time of need. I can understand people who have no family ending up in care homes. Society needs to change the way they think. You are responsible for your family. you know the government is corrupt and care homes owners are greedy and care providers can be abusing your elders. Your parents deserve dignity in their old age. Being in a care home is lonely and degrading , there is no dignity
This is all very idealistic, but not very realistic. Have you tried to care for someone with dementia 24/7? I have. It's nearly broken me this year. I don't qualify for carers allowance. So I've been caring for my Mum 24/7 for nothing. I've had to reduce my working hours right down and am at risk of losing my job altogether. Maybe then I would be eligible for carers allowance (less than £80/week) and then what do I do? Care 24/7 for less than £80 per week to end up jobless and homeless when my Mum goes. And I have no other family so I'm completely on my own with this situation. It's easy to say we should all look after our own. Have you actually done it??
Totally agree. Having worked in a private residential home. I never saw any care home owners struggling financially. One of the owners drove around in new Mercedes 4x4's. Second homes abroad.
The only homes making any profit are the luxury ones with wealthy clients. Most homes are scraping by and any home that accepts local authority rates is making a loss.
Wrong. People just don’t want to pay enough for their or their parents expensive care. When you get older the money you’ve saved and the assets you’ve accrued should go to your expensive elderly care. But too many greedy people wanting their inheritance. And with our aging population and lowing fertility rates, this is only gonna get worse. Buckle up old people, life is really going to suck soon.
This is a collapse of family and extended family as we know it ; I cared for my Dad who spent a brief time in care home as I did not know how to medically care for him; I truly believe elderly should be looked after by family and medical visiting staff - sadly this is not available or very expensive but so much better for elderly people who suffer so much from loneliness ; I rented a special bed for him , hired private nurse - he was bed bound in the final weeks ; I changed his nappies , cooked meals while I was working remotely full time ( all of this in Poland) there was no available public spaces in any of the care homes so only option for me were private homes with limited availability; hospital just said they will bring him home and somebody has to be at home although repeatedly I told them he lives on his own; nightmare as I was not ready for it and live in the different country but I am glad I helped him as much as I could in his final months ❤
Issue is capitalism. People can't afford to take time off work or quit their jobs to look after their elderly parents, lest they all become homeless and unable to eat. Plus the money you can get from the government is not enough.
Caring for a loved one at home is super hard. The phrase 'mentally draining' is an understatement. I gave up my £30k a year job to care full time for my mum with vascular dementia. I was given £65 per week and the government stripped my mums benefits because I moved her into my home. I had to reapply for disability benefits to top up her pension. Then I asked for help with respite and social services wouldn't let her back home as she was violent and had special needs. I tried to get her home but my rights were none existent. Instead she lived in a dreadful home, sleeping on a plastic mattress with no sheets in her own urine and being fed hotdog sausages in bbq sauce (which she hated both) losing 4 stone. I eventually got her moved with help of the CQC, they were amazing. Our elderly are a forgotton generation. The government doesn't care about the work my mum did for this country in the 1950s post war working at the Air Ministry. The taxes she paid as a self employed hairdresser. At 85 she was treated like a parasite by this Conservative government. I will never forgive social services for the lack of respect and dignity they forced onto my once beautiful and elegant mother. I will be traumatised to my dying day.
I care for my Mum with vascular dementia at home. It's a nightmare. People have no idea. She got out whilst I was in the shower the other week then fell. I had to call an ambulance. You cannot switch off for a minute.
My mum was a Qualified state registered nurse who worked in a care home part time when pregnant with my little brother ( 6year younger then me ) . I was only 10 when she told me and my elder Brother that she NEVER wanted to go into a care home , The quailty of care is just as important as the cost of care ! that was over 40 years ago.
My sister works in a care home and they've a woman who is employed to do entertainment and at times shes having to pay out of her own pocket to get simple stuff like craft supplies.
This country needs to open up to the concept of voluntary assisted dying. If you no longer have a quality of life that is tolerable to you surely you should have the choice whether or not you want to continue. Care homes are not for everyone.
Never going to happen. Who benefits from forcing poor souls in decrepit bodies to stay alive? Medical equipment manufacturers, dressings manufacturers, palliative care professionals, drug companies and of course the offshore owned 'care' homes.
We'll all get old some day- Never forget that! The way society today treats the elderly is the way WE'LL be treated (or worse!) in 30 years! The elderly are the most discriminated sector of our society! The way they have been treated the past three years (left to die alone and without visits from their loved ones) is absolutely CRIMINAL and pure EVIL!!! Never forgive, never forget!
Final salary pension schemes, free university education and affordable property means most elderly folk now have assets to fund care. Not sure what the governments plan is for 30 years time because all of those aforementioned things have gone. Destitution for many
Free university education is a big red herring. When I was there only about 8% of my age group went to University. That leaves 92% who did not. When I left the Civil Service, 10 years ago, the average so-called gold plated civil service pension averaged nearly £8000 p.a. Hardly a king's ransom. Affordable property yes. But most people who were on average wages had to make a lot of sacrifices to afford one - which is now taken away.
We've been encouraged to live healthier lives, stopping smoking and cutting back on alcohol. Now we are living longer but experiencing years of chronic illness and care home confinement. Remember when pubs were packed with happy people, smoking and drinking? Their lives may have been slightly shorter but was that so very bad?
@@eye776 no it was Thatcher that made it like this. It wasn't always like this at all they were better days pre Thatcher. People had more money less inequality people were happier.
The issue is worldwide where the elderly are living longer to their 80s, 90s, 100s. It may be true that humans are living longer but not necessarily having a good quality of life. A lot of them develop chronic diseases like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and dementia which can be a huge drain in healthcare services. Compound the issue with lowering birthrates, which will cause less younger people working and paying taxes for pensions, socialised housing, healthcare, etc. I would not be surprised by the time I retire at maybe 70+, pension schemes would have collapsed.
@@juliewills8034people are not living 'too long', it is the current business model of for-profit care that is wrong. Older people receiving inadequate care from underpaid and overstretched workers while private companies such excessive profits out to tax Havens is the problem, and it's suspicious that Channel 4's report was silent about this elephant in the room.
You know why I don't have kids? One of the reasons is they may end up like this. These people were all somebody's babies at some point. But parents never take into account they may end up as a 'baby' once again. Life is a short horrible ponzi scheme. Glad I kept my participation at a minimum. Very unhappy my parents didn't. The good die young, at least before becoming needy like this.
We can't pay to help our elderly in care homes or our disabled on homes as well as schools but we can pay for illegal migrants coming here shows what kind of country this is?
Increased national social care and home nursing funding. And, honestly, the right to die. I would hate to have dementia. I saw my grandfather go through it and the burden it took upon my family. I'd rather just be able to go to a comfortable facility and pass on my terms once that time came.
I'm bewildered. Why shouldn't people have to sell their homes to pay to live somewhere else? Why should their houses sit empty when we have a housing shortage? Why would we expect working people who are struggling to pay their own mortgages/rents to pay through taxation for homeowners to live in care homes. Genuinely bewildered.
That’s true ,my sister had to sell the family home to pay for my brother’s care. He has Lewy Body dementia and gets no funding and has to pay all costs from his bank balance . He is the only one in his care home that is self funded too. Eventually as he gets worse he may get some funding but it won’t be much ,meanwhile we will have no inheritance left. Both my sister and I live in rented housing with not much in savings . God help us if we get sick too! Time some of the billionaires stepped up.
Care homes take excessive money for very little care! I lasted a month before walking out of a care home job. £1,200 for being left unwashed not even a face wash, gums/ teeth unbrushed, limited food and drinks, left alone in a stuffy room 24/7, maximum of 3 incontinence pads a day, roughly handled by untrained imported staff who do not care - they are headed for other jobs after their 6 months experience necessary to gain the magical NHS job! It’s Britains version of the dying rooms for people who can not fight for dignity anymore. People who need care are a huge commodity now making investors a lot of profit! Sickening.
Rees-Mogg's subsidised corporation tax comes at a cost to others. This and widespread UK homelessness is a "prius" he's happy for others to pay. Foodbanks are "uplifting" for him.
Who owns the majority of care homes? Is it now a monopoly that owns them? I never hear about Muslim care homes? If there is such homes are they funded by the government? Is it only whites who have property or funds in the bank that have to pay for their care? It would be interesting to know about this situation.
I did work in a care home for 4 years , only got two pounds more added to the wage each year, same wage for over time, got paid double for Christmas Day but that owner of the care home owns another 4 care home and he is a millionaire today.
Waited longer than that for a pay rise , and company took away double pay for bank holidays. The owners however have made some good profit and residents are still understaffed but no one questions why staff recruitment and retention is so poor.
Well that's 7 and a half grand just to pay minimum wage to carers for a month. Rent, food, energy probably another 800. Then the private owner takes their cut.
@@shan6938 7 and half grand is what it would cost gross to employ 1 person so I suppose it would depend what the staffing ratios are for safe staffing at certain times of day. However, don't forget that when ever you have care staff you also have to employ non care staff at minimum wage, staff such as payroll, managers, admin and if it's a home probably kitchen staff seeing as though the carers tend not to do that like they do when someone is in the community.
@@shan6938 I didn't mean 1 carers monthly wage exactly, if you are staffing a 24 hour service that requires 1 member of staff (happens a lot where people live in the community or supported living) you are staffing 168 hours per week if you require staff awake at night as you likely would in a care home. If you multiply that number by minimum wage you come out with just over 7 and half grand per month.That's what I meant so that is what it would cost to put 1 carer in the home for a whole month. This is probably the reason why councils prefer to put people in large care homes, however there will be minimum safe staffing levels for each home dependent on need and in some parts of the day you will need 2 to 1 due to health and safety regs. I would have thought the minimum ratio would be about 1 to 3 or 4, so you are not going to be sharing costs between all 15 residents. Even if you are not talking about a home that staffs everyone at 1 to 1, once you add the other non carer staff probably comes tor the 9000 the residents are paying once including maintenance of the hoists etc or general upkeep of the building. but then they could also be paying a care home which chooses to charge more so they can pay the carers more than minimum wage. a few care homes are paying higher now.
Mr Green says here that no new ideas on elderly care will come from any party because of a general election next year. Why not? Do countries without general elections have better policies then? Dictators manage more long term thinking? Not a great message....
People should be using their wealth and assets accrued over their lives for their elderly care. Who else is expected to pick up this tab?! How is it unfair to do so, where else is this money going? And older generations with wealth disproportionately voted Tory who have chronically underfunded and miss old the viability of not taxing more for this care. This is the result. I feel bad for those older people who didn’t vote Tory and are disproportionately affected by this.
People wants the care but not to pay for it. Of course much better to underpay foreigners, tax more younger people while keeping their houses (which they cannot longer use). Houses has good taxation in their inheritance (so in reality they do not want their children to have a cut on taxes there).
Which begs the question why don't they just bring in 'voluntary euthanasia' for those elderly folks who want it instead of forcing many old people to just go on and on and on and on and on - not everyone wants to live into 80/90/100's - yes if you have your health but if you haven't it isn't even worth having. I'm going to be in this situation soon and I am absolutely dreading it.
That’s sad, But you wouldn’t have to even consider euthanasia if you knew your loved ones would sincerely care for you in your old age. You only want euthanasia because you know there is a morale decline and there is abuse in the so called ‘care system’. And you know the government is corrupt. You know in British culture kids have no respect for their parents, and abandon their parents in old age. It’s the culture. The elders in my family enjoyed life even in ill health, every one was around them, all the grand kids (even though it’s a small family) appreciated them. They were seen as important heads of the house, like VIPs. They lived for the grandkids. Their decisions were important and their wisdom was valued. The grandkids (myself , cousin ) have the memory and follow in the footsteps of my parents. My family cared for my grandparents , bathing, dressing, even the unpleasant stuff like taking to the loo. Society is treating elders as burden and as sub humans. Our religion guides us. We have a sense of loyalty and accountability towards our Creator and euthanasia is seen as murder/suicide. I don’t mean to offend , and I’m not trying to preach my religion. But there is a morale decline. Elders need to be seen as valued members of society and how we treat them should be an indication of how civilised we actually are. They should be given all the help, and they should be able to retire at an earlier age, not when they have one foot in the grave.
@@willienelsongonzalez4609 You don't read things properly do you - I said not 'everyone' if this is what someone wants then that is fine by me - but I think we should get the choice of whether we live
A friend of mine owns a few care homes, doesn’t run them just rents them out to care providers. It’s extremely lucrative and much less hassle than being a normal residential landlord, plus the residents always pay! Seems like a great ongoing investment, who cares if you have to use your life savings, you can own nothing and be happy…
Most care homes charge about £900>£1200 a week for residential care. Fees above these are usually because the homes offers hotel like services like a spa, bar, cinema etc. £9000 a month sounds like very complex care needs such as special needs / 1to1 care / nursing care etc.
Spend your money before these care homes get ther hands on it, give it to your kids grand kids before you End up in home . Then council will pay so they should they robbed you all your life with tax after tax and more tax. Come with nothing and go with nothing is the best way . If not youve worked all your life for to pay to nursing home. Not for me .
There is no viable reason to live until 97..... both of my parents had dementia...i hope that I'm gone by 75...i don't believe in euthenasia, but i don't want to live past 75... that will do for me... all being well I'm packing in work at 60 ...fk the pension,i will live frugally off my savings, enjoy what time I have left... hopefully head home around 75. 👍🤞
While I somewhat agree with you(My family also has some predispositionto to some disorders) national pension age is 66 and soon to be 67. As a young man, 25-30. I very much see it increasing more... The thought of having to work and having a handful of years before I am ill, doesn't bring much hope... The pension age should never have gone up to this level... Thank you to the greedy old people in this country, who have dragged it into the dirt to line their pockets and get as much help as they can. They have wrecked this country, the things they enacted and supported that have ruined this country are endless, from the selling of social housing, triple lock, high state pensions(since they were to t.h.i.c.k to save their own pension, like my generation is expected to) to even covid lockdown. 500B wasted to keep old people safe... more than 25% of the state purse spent a year on them via different policies...what a joke, and they contribute nothing for the sacrifices the country has made for them. All they do is take and give little back. The average pensioner while many being millionairs (mostly due to the inflation of housing prices, most being NIMBYs who refuse to also infustructure to be built) are also net negative contributer to the state but the end of their life by 250k... Let these old G.I.M.Ps suffer in care home, they constantly voted and supported policies that have led to the sate of the current country. They should for once see the results of their actions. We have nothing left in the purse for them, time for other to benefit of the state for once. My generation is glad the current lot of old people are passing away and I hope they suffer on the way out, like my generation has to suffer for their actions.
@@RR-cl2vfthe elders didn’t rob you - the elites did. And if people looked after they own parents it would be better. And your generation / our generation is no better. There is a moral decline.
What a vitriolic outburst. Nobody voted for themselves or the country to be made poor, but politicians of all major parties made these changes anyway, with no challenge from the billionaire-owned press. The private sector has made billions from the care home industry, ducking public funds and private savings into tax havens.
This happens for a number of reasons (I see you are a Khan so I’m going to compare this to an Indian family set up) 1) the cost of living in the uk is extremely expensive. Therefore most families have both adults working and can’t afford to run on one salary. How do you take care of someone if everyone in the family works full time and needs to in order to pay the bills? 2) because of the cost of living because don’t have many children, less children means less support. Sharing care between 4-5 children is different then having 1 child who has to do it all.
We tried care homes, they were terrible. Then we decided to use an agency called AICS Group. They were amazing. They allowed mum to live at home in the way she felt she had full dignity and independence.
I think those with means should pay part but also good NHS nursing homes would keep costs down. N if carers allowance was enough n community care better more people could stay with there family's in there homes.
Central government has reduced its funding to local authorities by 42% since 2010. Meanwhile some businesses are making serious profits out of the lucrative care home industry. It wasn't always this way and it doesn't have to be this way.
My mum has gone temporarily into a care home yesterday to convalesce for a few weeks, at government expense. In our minds we imagined lots of staff interacting with her and helping her get her strength back in a safe environment. But what it seems to be is an enormous cost, for a small plain room in a plain building and only a couple of staff not doing much, and unlikely to notice quickly if anything happened. I dare say the staff were not highly paid, and that the owners are making massive profits. She only needed watching out for in terms of safety, I dare say it would have been a fraction of the cost just to put her in a B&B or similar where someone was around, or just to bring her back and watch out for her ourselves, as the care looks to be fairly non-existent... I'm sure a lot of these places could be run much more effectively, and people who merely needed watching out for would be better placed in a normal community environment at lower cost with ordinary people who have a room to spare and don't go out much themselves, with some simple arrangements for when they do, or even as said just a B&B where some people are always present.
Big business to drain the wealth from the rich. My local one wants £1800 a week and tells people when the can’t afford it anymore they will be forced to leave. Most are foreign ownership and mostly Indian
The problem is that there is no half way house for those who have to fund care themselves. Either you pay for care in full, which in most cases is about £50,000 p.a or the council pays. Putting it brutally, if you have saved carefully throughout your life, that will all be taken away by care fees whilst at the same time, those who have frittered their money away will get care free. Of course there are many who never had the money to pay. So the government cap of £86000 means that if you are able, you would pay a sizeable amount for your care but not drain almost all your hard earned money, as now. The Care cap has been promised since about 2015 and it is no nearer. Very few can get the NHS to pay for care in a home or at home. 30 years and more ago, those who were ill would have been in hospital and the NHS would have picked up the bill. Now if you are ill but do not need a hospital bed, you have to pay for all your care if you have money above the threshold.
I would have to find a way to care for my mother at home haveing carrers visit have her live with me i xould not let her live in a care home ive seen whats goes on in them some bice staff some not so nice no rhankyou
Unfortunately no many people want to pay more taxes (most of the people wants other people to pay more taxes), so at the end become a personal issue, so every person will need to save for this events or rely on family or charity. We should think traditionally this has been and issue cover by family. The good things is many of the current elders (on averages) has properties, saving, families, and young carers from abroad. As we know people goes currently later and later to the property ladder and to have their own families, so future is going to be taught for those. Would they be willing to pay more taxes while they have to postpone creation of families and buying houses while living with housemates is shared accommodations?. Keep in mind todays there is a large proportion of poverty within children.
We wonder the reason humanity is losing the grip of moral compass, when we are storing our DATA in residential home. Grandparents are like DATA storage which passed morality into grandchildren
Those who have property or money don't want to pay for their own care and moan and whine about it. I have no sympathy for those who have to sell property to pay for care, why shouldn't they? So what their families wont inherit as much? If they don't like it maybe some people should look after their elderly relatives themselves, but guess what they find every excuse under the sun not to. The Gov gave social care an additional £500M during Covid and surprise surprise the NHS took it from them and used it for themselves.
I think id rather be in prison for bank robbery. 😮 At least youd get kudos 😢and if u stwshed your ill gotten gains youd be sweet when u got out. 20+years later. With 3square meals a day. A livrary. A gym. A toilet bucket. Pros sn cons. 😅
I worked in care for 13 years. I had to leave due to the care being provided. These residents pay £600 to £1000 a week more sometimes but do not get the care they deserve. Being gotten up at atrocious times and made to go to bed early. No freedom of choice. They have to sell their houses for this. My heart goes out to them. They are supposed to be living their end of life with dignity and happiness. Please try to keep your family at home for as long as you can. ❤
Then they should leave if they or family dont like it. Stop moaning
@@Fush1234😳let me guess, you own a care home?
@@Fush1234 Are you for real?
The care home my Mum is in for respite currently are allowing her to stay up late even though she's getting over pneumonia and is prone to delirium. Respite? Ha! I'm going to pick up a nightmare!
I can never take my parents to a care home 🏡. I will rather looks after then myself
I am so very angry about all of this. Billionaires wealth is ever increasing, big corporations are reporting record profits, we fund wars, bankers receive big bonuses I can go on.... The distribution of wealth is unfair. Our governments are incompetent. All millionaires themselves and they cannot be trusted. The carers get paid pittance. Dismal.
Most definitely.
Absolutely. Just look how the very rich Michelle mone got 200m contract but she gave nothing back. She provided nothing. Billions goes to super rich people already.
What a grim prospect. Slaving away to own a home for a brief period of stress-free living. And then, just not that long after paying off all the debts, you have to sell that hard-earned home to spend the rest of your days with strangers, having a tiny room that’s not even yours as far as ownership goes. I live in SE Asia country, where several generations live together. The grandparents help take care of the kids when they’re young, and in turn the grandchildren and the children take care of them when they’re no longer functioning properly. But I think they’re industrialising here as well, and the trend is following the West at alarming rate.
Perhaps if the families did more, most elderly that go into homes never have any family visit them, even if they live close, people use care homes as dumping grounds for the elderly where they can forget about them. People don't have to go into homes they can have care at home, which is cheaper and they get assistance for it.
My mother asked me that she never be sent to a home, she would rather die in pain in her own home. Her reasoning being that a home is where we send those we no longer care for, a place where strangers tell you what to eat, what to do, when to sleep. The homes are businesses for those who gain profit off those who no longer any one to care for them. She was correct.
People have memories of the workhouse.
I promised my mum I'd never put her in nursing care. She had vascular dementia and I failed to look after her as social services took all my rights as her daughter and moved her into a home as she was violent. I tried to get her home but they refused saying her needs were to be provided by a specialist unit. It was a nightmare, honestly the worst time of my life and I beat myself up everyday because the care she got was inhumane. I nearly had a nervous breakdown. Until you are caring for a loved one at home with dementia you will never understand the desperation for help.
I'm sorry to learn that the SS aren't letting you look after Mum, what a feeble excuse. Have you seen the specialist unit, I don't believe they exist. I'm in my 70s and moved into sheltered accommodation when I became homeless. A woman living here, in sheltered housing, has narcissistic traits, verbally abusive, screams, yells, growls, swears like a fishwife, her every other word if fing or cee u next Tue. swear words. She is about 62 and doesn't have Alzimers or friends now. She was banned from the Coop shop for threatening to stab an assistant and cut her up into little pieces. Furthermore, she claims to have been in jail for 7 years for attempted murder. While in jail, she says that she was friends with Rose West and Myra Hindley. If specialist units were available, the woman living here should have been in one long ago. Good luck, I hope you can get Mum back.
I have cousins who own care and nursing homes and they would be deeply offended by your comments, they all ex NHS nurses who opened homes to provide real care for patients. Yes they are businesses so what? they have to earn a living and pay staff as well as everything else. They make next to no profit and what they do make goes back into the homes, where they use the money to take them for days out, or update/upgrade their homes etc. Patients go to bed when they like, there is a menu to choose from for their meals and no one tells them what to do. I don't know where you've been but not all homes are the same. If people don't want to look after relatives as it gets in the way of their lifestyle, who else is going to do it? Perhaps the public attitude needs to change towards care homes and carers, and then may be more people would be interested to go into care and then things would be better for homes and patients.
@@sammic7492 listen 👂 90% of care homes are thrash ! No body will look after you like your loved one !
I worked for many years in adult social care, for a local council. Believe you me the only professionally well run care homes, were owned by the local council. Criminally they were all sold off and this is what we have ended up with. It is beyond acceptable, nowhere that provides care should be run for profit.
My cousins own care homes and they have seen enough badly run local authority care homes, they have patients transferred from local authority care homes that have arrived with bed sores. funny enough none of their patients ever have bed sores. Why shouldn't care homes make a profit? My cousins put that money back into their homes and take patients for days out, upgrades and maintenance on the homes etc. If homes don't make profit then they can improve the homes or meet the cost of bills when things like energy go up.
@@sammic7492 The authority I worked for does not run any care homes. Maybe your cousins homes are run to a decent standard, I have no idea. But the worst thing that happened to adult social care, was the Care In The Community Act 1990, in principle it was passing the buck from the state into private hands, more wealth transfer from the people of this country. It ushered in many unscrupulous care home owners who were simply there to skim as much money as they could from the government, this is simply a fact. I worked during this period and yes there were some care homes that went above and beyond, however they were few and far between. I will reiterate care should not be profit driven.
@@boota1979 Seeing some of the patients that are transferred from NHS hospitals to their homes, I don't see much better care within the public sector.
We need a National Care Service. It is truly heartbreaking to see underpaid careworkers at breaking point and elderly patients suffer inadequate care.
Dental, eye care, home care, elderly care, day care... all these should be public because it is literally cheaper for the government
the majority of elderly residents in these institutions pay hundreds of thousands of £ to be badly housed, poorly fed and badly looked after in these terrible institutions! our own are at the bottom of the heap when it comes funding
How much do economic migrants pay for their 5star hotels
@@RollcageHiggins-uf9nm🤡
Sounds expensive.
Care homes charge the residents a fortune, the food they give out are very small portions, and they pay the staff rubbish wages.
How can they be underfunded?
Because despite the low wages, it’s a job that heavily relies on manual labour 24/7/365. Typically, 5 residents share the wage of 1 care assistant (about £380 a week each) and that’s before you start to add the nurses, hospitality staff, maintenance, admin etc etc. You can imagine how much the costs have gone up with each minimum wage increase. Now imagine if the staff were paid fairly…
Because the care home owners and regional managers give themselves massive wages
Because the companies that own the care homes earn huge profits - not mentioned here!
@seanpeterdawsob is absolutely right. A care-home has to employ 3 shifts per day 365 days per year and if you run the maths it costs a fortune, even at minimum wage. A single care post requires 4.2 people-weeks to fill, with nights and weekends. For a 40 hour per week rota, with legal-minimum holiday-pay, NI and pension (on top of salary) a minimum wage position costs the employer around £24,000 per annum or £100,800 just to staff one care post round the clock, without a single penny for unsociable hours payments. But it doesn't stop there - catering, maintenance, cleaning, heat & light, medical bills, physio, administration, staff training, compliance, HR etc, etc. Few care homes make a penny of profit and many go bust.
@@seanpeterdawsobmost care homes charge 1500 to 2000 a week.
I moved to France 7 years ago and my mother moved here 3 years ago. She’s 78. The system here seems to be that people stay at home rather than go into homes as they age and the onus is on families to rally round and look after their parents. Care homes do exist but they are the exception rather than the norm. Mum can access an allowance of up to 3500€ a month for help with carers, a maid, a housekeeper and a gardener. It’s a completely different attitude to elderly care plus the French in my experience have greater respect for the elderly.
In the UK people don't care about their elderly relatives, my hubby worked in care for more than 20+ yrs, and he used to get really angry at the amount of people who never saw any relatives even those who were local, until after their relative died and who then would all of a sudden pretend to care.
Have you thought about taxing 1-2% more the billionaires and maybe reduce military spending for the same percentage? Could do wonders.
Hopefully Labour will tax the millionaires and billionaires
Don’t be daft that’s so unfair they need to be able to afford a bigger boat to go to Monte Carlo in.
@@sfernando6352 This labour will only tax the left...
Right?!
@@sfernando6352 Yeah right. Starmer is right-wing.
I find this report pretty extraordinary because it misses out the big elephant in the room: the profits made by care home providers. Why didn't Channel 4 check to see whether the 'cost of providing care ' is the actual cost or whether it includes a built-in large profit for these companies, many of which are owned by offshore trusts?
How much of this money is being paid out to shareholders?
Also no mention of the massive cuts to government funding of local authorities since austerity started 13 years ago.
Poor work, Channel 4!
Completely agree with you. Private Eye magazine has been covering this for years, the facts and figures are out there.
You are asking the right question. I work in this sector and although I can’t speak for all companies I know that mine makes a juicy profit from their clientele. It’s so lovely to know that there is large profit to be made from other peoples illness and misfortune. Capitalism at its finest.
@@shadowsinvortex7990 good to hear from someone who works in the care sector!
I think the media police themselves and that's why they don't report this - too politically sensitive - the government wouldn't like it? I can't think of any other reason!
Lets not overlook the families who are caring for their loved ones a few are entitled to £76.75,/wk if either don't work or earn above a threshold. Those carers who are pension age are not even entitled to this payment. They care 24/7, if they have assets they have to pay for any and all care, people who have worked all their lives, and saved for their futures are entitled to very little or nothing, these people are penalised for investing in their futures. Care worker don't get paid enough, but agencies charge a great deal more than they pay their staff and staff are often overworked lots don't even get sick pay and are forced back to work before their ready, due to not being able to afford to be sick. The whole system needs overhauling
I don’t get why people dump (yes dump) their parents/grandparents in these abusive negligent homes. Why don’t they look after their loved ones, perhaps then they would actually deserve the inheritance. Id rather care for my parents and be in hardship than to abandon them in a so-called care home. I worked in a care home, the staff were overstretched, it was a physical job and the pay was rubbish. I left because the care was inadequate and it was heartbreaking . I remember a frail man having lots of pictures plastered on his wall of his extended family. None of them ever came to visit and no body bothered to care after he died, yet he would talk about them with such love. Most of the residents are in the same situation. One lady’s family didn’t even give her clothing. Staff bought it out of pity, using their own wage. There is a morale decline. Even NHS have elders who are stuck in hospital beds because there is no one to look after them at home, despite having kids. The elites encourage this because they want to take the home off the elders. And sometimes even the children do elders abuse to get the inheritance. These elders get Absolutely no respect for their sacrifice - they sacrifice everything to raise and protect their children, only to be abandoned in old age. Don’t bother wasting money on a fancy funeral if you can’t be bothered to care and spend on them while they are alive in their time of need. I can understand people who have no family ending up in care homes. Society needs to change the way they think. You are responsible for your family. you know the government is corrupt and care homes owners are greedy and care providers can be abusing your elders. Your parents deserve dignity in their old age. Being in a care home is lonely and degrading , there is no dignity
To make matters worse, having these old people in hospital beds means there are fewer beds for those with a medical need for them.
Absolutely correct. Agree with all you write.
100 Agree with you we look after our own parents they way they looked after us when we were children your parents are a blessing
The way they looked after us just having your parents at home are a blessing my uncle had Alzheimer’s we looked after them at Home
This is all very idealistic, but not very realistic. Have you tried to care for someone with dementia 24/7? I have. It's nearly broken me this year. I don't qualify for carers allowance. So I've been caring for my Mum 24/7 for nothing. I've had to reduce my working hours right down and am at risk of losing my job altogether. Maybe then I would be eligible for carers allowance (less than £80/week) and then what do I do? Care 24/7 for less than £80 per week to end up jobless and homeless when my Mum goes. And I have no other family so I'm completely on my own with this situation. It's easy to say we should all look after our own. Have you actually done it??
The 'system' will never be fixed. It's a business model; care home owners are raking it in on a huge scale.
Totally agree. Having worked in a private residential home. I never saw any care home owners struggling financially. One of the owners drove around in new Mercedes 4x4's. Second homes abroad.
The only homes making any profit are the luxury ones with wealthy clients. Most homes are scraping by and any home that accepts local authority rates is making a loss.
Greedy pigs
Wrong. People just don’t want to pay enough for their or their parents expensive care.
When you get older the money you’ve saved and the assets you’ve accrued should go to your expensive elderly care. But too many greedy people wanting their inheritance.
And with our aging population and lowing fertility rates, this is only gonna get worse. Buckle up old people, life is really going to suck soon.
@@OllieX123 I'd rather choose euthanasia than a care home, especially because I wouldn't want my home being used for my care.
This is a collapse of family and extended family as we know it ; I cared for my Dad who spent a brief time in care home as I did not know how to medically care for him; I truly believe elderly should be looked after by family and medical visiting staff - sadly this is not available or very expensive but so much better for elderly people who suffer so much from loneliness ; I rented a special bed for him , hired private nurse - he was bed bound in the final weeks ; I changed his nappies , cooked meals while I was working remotely full time ( all of this in Poland) there was no available public spaces in any of the care homes so only option for me were private homes with limited availability; hospital just said they will bring him home and somebody has to be at home although repeatedly I told them he lives on his own; nightmare as I was not ready for it and live in the different country but I am glad I helped him as much as I could in his final months ❤
Issue is capitalism. People can't afford to take time off work or quit their jobs to look after their elderly parents, lest they all become homeless and unable to eat.
Plus the money you can get from the government is not enough.
9k a month? You could hire a private living in carer for 700 a week. Much cheaper.
Caring for a loved one at home is super hard. The phrase 'mentally draining' is an understatement. I gave up my £30k a year job to care full time for my mum with vascular dementia. I was given £65 per week and the government stripped my mums benefits because I moved her into my home. I had to reapply for disability benefits to top up her pension. Then I asked for help with respite and social services wouldn't let her back home as she was violent and had special needs. I tried to get her home but my rights were none existent. Instead she lived in a dreadful home, sleeping on a plastic mattress with no sheets in her own urine and being fed hotdog sausages in bbq sauce (which she hated both) losing 4 stone. I eventually got her moved with help of the CQC, they were amazing. Our elderly are a forgotton generation. The government doesn't care about the work my mum did for this country in the 1950s post war working at the Air Ministry. The taxes she paid as a self employed hairdresser. At 85 she was treated like a parasite by this Conservative government. I will never forgive social services for the lack of respect and dignity they forced onto my once beautiful and elegant mother. I will be traumatised to my dying day.
I care for my Mum with vascular dementia at home. It's a nightmare. People have no idea. She got out whilst I was in the shower the other week then fell. I had to call an ambulance. You cannot switch off for a minute.
If you can afford it hire a live in care. 700 to 800 a week you'll get a fantastic carer to care for your love one at home
6.2 million a day for accommodation alone, to keep young Economic Migrants and get we " cannot " pay for care for the elderly of Britain????
My mum was a Qualified state registered nurse who worked in a care home part time when pregnant with my little brother ( 6year younger then me ) . I was only 10 when she told me and my elder Brother that she NEVER wanted to go into a care home , The quailty of care is just as important as the cost of care ! that was over 40 years ago.
My sister works in a care home and they've a woman who is employed to do entertainment and at times shes having to pay out of her own pocket to get simple stuff like craft supplies.
This country needs to open up to the concept of voluntary assisted dying. If you no longer have a quality of life that is tolerable to you surely you should have the choice whether or not you want to continue. Care homes are not for everyone.
Never going to happen. Who benefits from forcing poor souls in decrepit bodies to stay alive? Medical equipment manufacturers, dressings manufacturers, palliative care professionals, drug companies and of course the offshore owned 'care' homes.
We'll all get old some day- Never forget that! The way society today treats the elderly is the way WE'LL be treated (or worse!) in 30 years! The elderly are the most discriminated sector of our society! The way they have been treated the past three years (left to die alone and without visits from their loved ones) is absolutely CRIMINAL and pure EVIL!!! Never forgive, never forget!
Final salary pension schemes, free university education and affordable property means most elderly folk now have assets to fund care. Not sure what the governments plan is for 30 years time because all of those aforementioned things have gone. Destitution for many
The funding is only part of the problem. Accessing appropriate good quality care at all is like trying to find a unicorn...
Free university education is a big red herring. When I was there only about 8% of my age group went to University. That leaves 92% who did not. When I left the Civil Service, 10 years ago, the average so-called gold plated civil service pension averaged nearly £8000 p.a. Hardly a king's ransom. Affordable property yes. But most people who were on average wages had to make a lot of sacrifices to afford one - which is now taken away.
My father's army pension is £55k a year, plus state pension and a small civil service pension. Some had it pretty good.
As the population gets older, if we think it is bad now.
We've been encouraged to live healthier lives, stopping smoking and cutting back on alcohol. Now we are living longer but experiencing years of chronic illness and care home confinement. Remember when pubs were packed with happy people, smoking and drinking? Their lives may have been slightly shorter but was that so very bad?
Interesting point
Well said you
Everything wrong in this country it's falling apart at the seams.
It's always been like this, just there was far less coverage.
@@eye776 no it was Thatcher that made it like this. It wasn't always like this at all they were better days pre Thatcher. People had more money less inequality people were happier.
@@hifi8844perfectly true.
No funding crisis for migrants, 1000's turn up every week no talk from the Government that we can't afford to pay for hotels, barges, housing etc.
The issue is worldwide where the elderly are living longer to their 80s, 90s, 100s. It may be true that humans are living longer but not necessarily having a good quality of life. A lot of them develop chronic diseases like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and dementia which can be a huge drain in healthcare services. Compound the issue with lowering birthrates, which will cause less younger people working and paying taxes for pensions, socialised housing, healthcare, etc. I would not be surprised by the time I retire at maybe 70+, pension schemes would have collapsed.
Basically, people are living too long. It is putting tremendous strain on social care systems.
The alternative is *Logan's Run* and we don't want that do we?
@@juliewills8034 what's the alternative? stop providing medical care after retirement age?
@@juliewills8034people are not living 'too long', it is the current business model of for-profit care that is wrong. Older people receiving inadequate care from underpaid and overstretched workers while private companies such excessive profits out to tax Havens is the problem, and it's suspicious that Channel 4's report was silent about this elephant in the room.
If I had the money I'd go to dignitas.
You know why I don't have kids? One of the reasons is they may end up like this. These people were all somebody's babies at some point. But parents never take into account they may end up as a 'baby' once again. Life is a short horrible ponzi scheme. Glad I kept my participation at a minimum. Very unhappy my parents didn't. The good die young, at least before becoming needy like this.
We can't pay to help our elderly in care homes or our disabled on homes as well as schools but we can pay for illegal migrants coming here shows what kind of country this is?
it sure does.
Increased national social care and home nursing funding. And, honestly, the right to die. I would hate to have dementia. I saw my grandfather go through it and the burden it took upon my family. I'd rather just be able to go to a comfortable facility and pass on my terms once that time came.
I live in a country where this is in place, it is monstrous not to have this!
I'm bewildered. Why shouldn't people have to sell their homes to pay to live somewhere else? Why should their houses sit empty when we have a housing shortage? Why would we expect working people who are struggling to pay their own mortgages/rents to pay through taxation for homeowners to live in care homes. Genuinely bewildered.
Basically if you have any assets such as a house, they take it from you to pay for all the people in care homes with no assets.
That’s true ,my sister had to sell the family home to pay for my brother’s care. He has Lewy Body dementia and gets no funding and has to pay all costs from his bank balance . He is the only one in his care home that is self funded too. Eventually as he gets worse he may get some funding but it won’t be much ,meanwhile we will have no inheritance left. Both my sister and I live in rented housing with not much in savings . God help us if we get sick too! Time some of the billionaires stepped up.
Don’t worry, the next generation wont have these
@@juliarisi8385 My parents have put their home in mine and my brothers name to avoid their house being taken
Put it in a trust
@@Bringon-dw8dx The next generation will have the house --unless of course it has been forced to be sold for care.
Care homes take excessive money for very little care! I lasted a month before walking out of a care home job. £1,200 for being left unwashed not even a face wash, gums/ teeth unbrushed, limited food and drinks, left alone in a stuffy room 24/7, maximum of 3 incontinence pads a day, roughly handled by untrained imported staff who do not care - they are headed for other jobs after their 6 months experience necessary to gain the magical NHS job! It’s Britains version of the dying rooms for people who can not fight for dignity anymore. People who need care are a huge commodity now making investors a lot of profit! Sickening.
Rees-Mogg's subsidised corporation tax comes at a cost to others.
This and widespread UK homelessness is a "prius" he's happy for others to pay. Foodbanks are "uplifting" for him.
Who owns the majority of care homes? Is it now a monopoly that owns them? I never hear about Muslim care homes? If there is such homes are they funded by the government? Is it only whites who have property or funds in the bank that have to pay for their care? It would be interesting to know about this situation.
Muslims are taught to look after their parents in Thier old age, even if this means moving mum and dad into your own home
They haven't tried and failed. That's like saying a burglar dressed as a window-cleaner has tried and failed to clean your windows.
The country is finished. Greed has killed the lion.
I did work in a care home for 4 years , only got two pounds more added to the wage each year, same wage for over time, got paid double for Christmas Day but that owner of the care home owns another 4 care home and he is a millionaire today.
Waited longer than that for a pay rise , and company took away double pay for bank holidays. The owners however have made some good profit and residents are still understaffed but no one questions why staff recruitment and retention is so poor.
Why the care worker paid is so rubbish if the family has to pay £9000 a month to the care home?
Well that's 7 and a half grand just to pay minimum wage to carers for a month. Rent, food, energy probably another 800. Then the private owner takes their cut.
@@keycuz but there are at least 15 residents a month?
@@shan6938 7 and half grand is what it would cost gross to employ 1 person so I suppose it would depend what the staffing ratios are for safe staffing at certain times of day. However, don't forget that when ever you have care staff you also have to employ non care staff at minimum wage, staff such as payroll, managers, admin and if it's a home probably kitchen staff seeing as though the carers tend not to do that like they do when someone is in the community.
@@roly2452 7,500?? for one carer a month? that is more than a double the pay of nurses?? Are you serious?
@@shan6938 I didn't mean 1 carers monthly wage exactly, if you are staffing a 24 hour service that requires 1 member of staff (happens a lot where people live in the community or supported living) you are staffing 168 hours per week if you require staff awake at night as you likely would in a care home. If you multiply that number by minimum wage you come out with just over 7 and half grand per month.That's what I meant so that is what it would cost to put 1 carer in the home for a whole month. This is probably the reason why councils prefer to put people in large care homes, however there will be minimum safe staffing levels for each home dependent on need and in some parts of the day you will need 2 to 1 due to health and safety regs. I would have thought the minimum ratio would be about 1 to 3 or 4, so you are not going to be sharing costs between all 15 residents. Even if you are not talking about a home that staffs everyone at 1 to 1, once you add the other non carer staff probably comes tor the 9000 the residents are paying once including maintenance of the hoists etc or general upkeep of the building. but then they could also be paying a care home which chooses to charge more so they can pay the carers more than minimum wage. a few care homes are paying higher now.
Mr Green says here that no new ideas on elderly care will come from any party because of a general election next year. Why not? Do countries without general elections have better policies then? Dictators manage more long term thinking? Not a great message....
People should be using their wealth and assets accrued over their lives for their elderly care. Who else is expected to pick up this tab?! How is it unfair to do so, where else is this money going?
And older generations with wealth disproportionately voted Tory who have chronically underfunded and miss old the viability of not taxing more for this care. This is the result.
I feel bad for those older people who didn’t vote Tory and are disproportionately affected by this.
I don't recall the Labour governments bringing in any sort of care cap. At least the Tories are trying.
People wants the care but not to pay for it. Of course much better to underpay foreigners, tax more younger people while keeping their houses (which they cannot longer use). Houses has good taxation in their inheritance (so in reality they do not want their children to have a cut on taxes there).
My god the reason is councils miscmanageing money and high costes from private care coste homes
Idk I think I would tell my relatives to take me to Canada or Switzerland and rest.
Think everyone pays enough tax in their lifetime to cover their own care. I call bs-
I do not see how councils can continue to spend so much money on social care. It is not sustainable.
Get some cheap labour in from africa like they have
The 🇬🇧 UK Governments in the last 50 years have Squanded all the Money there response Deni Deni Deni Deni
BLAME everyone else
Which begs the question why don't they just bring in 'voluntary euthanasia' for those elderly folks who want it instead of forcing many old people to just go on and on and on and on and on - not everyone wants to live into 80/90/100's - yes if you have your health but if you haven't it isn't even worth having. I'm going to be in this situation soon and I am absolutely dreading it.
Not everyone will need social care. Most ethnic minorities look after their elderly. Look at the people in this video!!
@@sfernando6352yes or at home, that is how it is in 3rd world countries.
Interesting, you go first and we’ll stand back and see how it all pans out chum.
That’s sad, But you wouldn’t have to even consider euthanasia if you knew your loved ones would sincerely care for you in your old age. You only want euthanasia because you know there is a morale decline and there is abuse in the so called ‘care system’. And you know the government is corrupt. You know in British culture kids have no respect for their parents, and abandon their parents in old age. It’s the culture. The elders in my family enjoyed life even in ill health, every one was around them, all the grand kids (even though it’s a small family) appreciated them. They were seen as important heads of the house, like VIPs. They lived for the grandkids. Their decisions were important and their wisdom was valued. The grandkids (myself , cousin ) have the memory and follow in the footsteps of my parents. My family cared for my grandparents , bathing, dressing, even the unpleasant stuff like taking to the loo. Society is treating elders as burden and as sub humans. Our religion guides us. We have a sense of loyalty and accountability towards our Creator and euthanasia is seen as murder/suicide. I don’t mean to offend , and I’m not trying to preach my religion. But there is a morale decline. Elders need to be seen as valued members of society and how we treat them should be an indication of how civilised we actually are. They should be given all the help, and they should be able to retire at an earlier age, not when they have one foot in the grave.
@@willienelsongonzalez4609 You don't read things properly do you - I said not 'everyone' if this is what someone wants then that is fine by me - but I think we should get the choice of whether we live
£9000 a month?. They could get a private carer and pay the bills for less.
A friend of mine owns a few care homes, doesn’t run them just rents them out to care providers. It’s extremely lucrative and much less hassle than being a normal residential landlord, plus the residents always pay! Seems like a great ongoing investment, who cares if you have to use your life savings, you can own nothing and be happy…
Mogg wants to bring back the workhouse.
Most care homes charge about £900>£1200 a week for residential care. Fees above these are usually because the homes offers hotel like services like a spa, bar, cinema etc.
£9000 a month sounds like very complex care needs such as special needs / 1to1 care / nursing care etc.
and yet, if you volunteer to be their carer to keep them home, you'll be lucky to get £70 carers allowance a week.
@@piddlydiddlyExactly. Except you don't 'volunteer'. Hospitals and SS assume you will care.
£7 billion to take care of ALL the elderly… £11 billion for muslim migrants. We ALL know who is the government’s little darlings
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Spend your money before these care homes get ther hands on it, give it to your kids grand kids before you End up in home . Then council will pay so they should they robbed you all your life with tax after tax and more tax. Come with nothing and go with nothing is the best way . If not youve worked all your life for to pay to nursing home. Not for me .
There is no viable reason to live until 97..... both of my parents had dementia...i hope that I'm gone by 75...i don't believe in euthenasia, but i don't want to live past 75... that will do for me... all being well I'm packing in work at 60 ...fk the pension,i will live frugally off my savings, enjoy what time I have left... hopefully head home around 75. 👍🤞
While I somewhat agree with you(My family also has some predispositionto to some disorders) national pension age is 66 and soon to be 67. As a young man, 25-30. I very much see it increasing more... The thought of having to work and having a handful of years before I am ill, doesn't bring much hope... The pension age should never have gone up to this level... Thank you to the greedy old people in this country, who have dragged it into the dirt to line their pockets and get as much help as they can. They have wrecked this country, the things they enacted and supported that have ruined this country are endless, from the selling of social housing, triple lock, high state pensions(since they were to t.h.i.c.k to save their own pension, like my generation is expected to) to even covid lockdown. 500B wasted to keep old people safe... more than 25% of the state purse spent a year on them via different policies...what a joke, and they contribute nothing for the sacrifices the country has made for them. All they do is take and give little back. The average pensioner while many being millionairs (mostly due to the inflation of housing prices, most being NIMBYs who refuse to also infustructure to be built) are also net negative contributer to the state but the end of their life by 250k...
Let these old G.I.M.Ps suffer in care home, they constantly voted and supported policies that have led to the sate of the current country. They should for once see the results of their actions. We have nothing left in the purse for them, time for other to benefit of the state for once. My generation is glad the current lot of old people are passing away and I hope they suffer on the way out, like my generation has to suffer for their actions.
@@RR-cl2vfthe elders didn’t rob you - the elites did. And if people looked after they own parents it would be better. And your generation / our generation is no better. There is a moral decline.
How shall we let them die then? Lol
What a vitriolic outburst. Nobody voted for themselves or the country to be made poor, but politicians of all major parties made these changes anyway, with no challenge from the billionaire-owned press. The private sector has made billions from the care home industry, ducking public funds and private savings into tax havens.
Tax the rich, there is your money you need
Do you mean millionaires?
Or do you mean a consultant with the NHS who makes £100,000 per year? What is classed as rich?
And you've not even touched on Domiciliary Care, Supported Living, young adults etc etc and all aren't remunerated with the correct funding
The money they spend for migrants should be redirected to our elderly care immediately.
If they can care for migrants we don’t know,who haven’t contributed to Britain ,like the elderly have then time the money the spend on the migrants s
Thanks for posting
Children don't look after you in your old age but still want an inheritance and want the state to pay for care; British values.
Don't have kids.
Well said
Have you tried looking after someone with dementia 24/7??
Private business has made billions out of the care home industry but still needs more of our taxes and private savings to stuff into their tax havens.
This happens for a number of reasons (I see you are a Khan so I’m going to compare this to an Indian family set up)
1) the cost of living in the uk is extremely expensive. Therefore most families have both adults working and can’t afford to run on one salary. How do you take care of someone if everyone in the family works full time and needs to in order to pay the bills?
2) because of the cost of living because don’t have many children, less children means less support. Sharing care between 4-5 children is different then having 1 child who has to do it all.
We tried care homes, they were terrible. Then we decided to use an agency called AICS Group. They were amazing. They allowed mum to live at home in the way she felt she had full dignity and independence.
I think those with means should pay part but also good NHS nursing homes would keep costs down. N if carers allowance was enough n community care better more people could stay with there family's in there homes.
Local authorities set the fee and then pay the fees they set for elderly care? That may be one of the problems..
Central government has reduced its funding to local authorities by 42% since 2010. Meanwhile some businesses are making serious profits out of the lucrative care home industry. It wasn't always this way and it doesn't have to be this way.
I shouldnt have to pay for old peoples care, why shouldnt they pay with a house they will never need again?
My big regret is i have to pay £11 billion to house muslim criminals in hotels
My mum has gone temporarily into a care home yesterday to convalesce for a few weeks, at government expense. In our minds we imagined lots of staff interacting with her and helping her get her strength back in a safe environment. But what it seems to be is an enormous cost, for a small plain room in a plain building and only a couple of staff not doing much, and unlikely to notice quickly if anything happened. I dare say the staff were not highly paid, and that the owners are making massive profits. She only needed watching out for in terms of safety, I dare say it would have been a fraction of the cost just to put her in a B&B or similar where someone was around, or just to bring her back and watch out for her ourselves, as the care looks to be fairly non-existent... I'm sure a lot of these places could be run much more effectively, and people who merely needed watching out for would be better placed in a normal community environment at lower cost with ordinary people who have a room to spare and don't go out much themselves, with some simple arrangements for when they do, or even as said just a B&B where some people are always present.
Big business to drain the wealth from the rich. My local one wants £1800 a week and tells people when the can’t afford it anymore they will be forced to leave. Most are foreign ownership and mostly
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The problem is that there is no half way house for those who have to fund care themselves. Either you pay for care in full, which in most cases is about £50,000 p.a or the council pays. Putting it brutally, if you have saved carefully throughout your life, that will all be taken away by care fees whilst at the same time, those who have frittered their money away will get care free. Of course there are many who never had the money to pay. So the government cap of £86000 means that if you are able, you would pay a sizeable amount for your care but not drain almost all your hard earned money, as now. The Care cap has been promised since about 2015 and it is no nearer. Very few can get the NHS to pay for care in a home or at home. 30 years and more ago, those who were ill would have been in hospital and the NHS would have picked up the bill. Now if you are ill but do not need a hospital bed, you have to pay for all your care if you have money above the threshold.
Their kids need to take care of them, not the tax payer
The rate of care homes closing in UK is worrying also.
Make enough money and save enough money in young age , so you can live comfortably in elder age.
This country is NOT Promised Land . Sadly .
It's interesting to drive by some care homes bedroom windows flung open at 6 am if not earlier yup only see what you want to see !
This country has been ruined, atleast we get HS2... /s
It’s very fair!! You’re using a service why should it be free??
So, my mum's care home costs £1500 a week, and they're short staffed? Eh?......🤔🤣
And the carers they have are overworked and underpaid.
I would have to find a way to care for my mother at home haveing carrers visit have her live with me i xould not let her live in a care home ive seen whats goes on in them some bice staff some not so nice no rhankyou
Not bothered .. as long as Ukraine keeps on getting millions of aid from the UK ..
I agree we need to give Ukraine more, we can't let that scumbag Putin do as he pleases.
Unfortunately no many people want to pay more taxes (most of the people wants other people to pay more taxes), so at the end become a personal issue, so every person will need to save for this events or rely on family or charity. We should think traditionally this has been and issue cover by family. The good things is many of the current elders (on averages) has properties, saving, families, and young carers from abroad. As we know people goes currently later and later to the property ladder and to have their own families, so future is going to be taught for those. Would they be willing to pay more taxes while they have to postpone creation of families and buying houses while living with housemates is shared accommodations?. Keep in mind todays there is a large proportion of poverty within children.
Staff on minimum wage, residents paying £55k a year, an Indian family creaming off the profits.
Place I work the residentsvpay o
Considerably over £1000 a week it is one of the better places I've seen but still it's slowly slowly going downhill
We wonder the reason humanity is losing the grip of moral compass, when we are storing our DATA in residential home. Grandparents are like DATA storage which passed morality into grandchildren
I will never put my mother with dementia in these care homes i am looking after her myself so you all get stuffed
Those who have property or money don't want to pay for their own care and moan and whine about it. I have no sympathy for those who have to sell property to pay for care, why shouldn't they? So what their families wont inherit as much? If they don't like it maybe some people should look after their elderly relatives themselves, but guess what they find every excuse under the sun not to. The Gov gave social care an additional £500M during Covid and surprise surprise the NHS took it from them and used it for themselves.
The care hike my nana was in killed her and stole her belonging, her children took them to court the manager resigned.
Kick the can down the road.
Dont care. Still aint voting labor!
It's spelt Labour
@@sfernando6352You really think a Tory is capable of spelling?
You can't even spell it 😂
@@HappyAwesomePowerworking class tory no doubt 🤔
@@sfernando6352 once again the posh lot are gonna mark me down on my spelling gcses and call me dumb cause they more clever or summin.
Vietnam.offers care homes of very high standard for westerners far cheaper.
I think id rather be in prison for bank robbery. 😮 At least youd get kudos 😢and if u stwshed your ill gotten gains youd be sweet when u got out. 20+years later. With 3square meals a day. A livrary. A gym. A toilet bucket. Pros sn cons. 😅