Are EXPENSIVE Wines WORTH Your Money? (Blind Tasting $20, $100 & $500 Wines)
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- Are expensive wines worth your money? In this video I will discuss 5 reasons why wine's price does not necessarily reflect in its quality. And in the second part of the video I will taste three wines from the same region, but of different price categories.
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**CONTENTS OF THIS VIDEO:
0:00 Introduction
0:40 Let Me Tell You a Story...
2:26 What Affects The Price of Wine?
3:48 5 Reasons Why Price Does Not Equal Quality
3:51 Reason 1
4:30 Reason 2
5:16 Reason 3
6:01 Reason 4
6:41 Reason 5
7:35 The Tasting
12:05 The Reveal
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I totally agree with your video. While I have always tell myself that price does not equal to quality but in my own experiences the exceptional wines were always the expensive ones.
Yes, You said it perfectly. I also consider that wine should not be expensive to be great. And yet, the greatest and mind blowing experiences I have also had with luxury category bottles. ✨👀
@@NoSediment It's the free market at work...
I love your honesty! You were not afraid to refute your original hypothesis. Like much in the wine world, it all depends on the specific situation and your personal preference. I’ve been stunned by the quality of some village level burgundy and also disappointed by grand crus.
Thank You! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 And I agree, there are great quality village Burgundy, and there are great Grand Cru. But because of the price of Grand Cru, we also have crazy expectations, I think, and not always they are met! 🥺
As with most types of goods, wines follow the law of diminishing return. The real fun is to taste the mid range that are new and great, with possibility to be in premium range one day.
Very good point, and for that one must invest time, money and energy in search for these wines! 🍾
My take is, you were right in the beginning to say that price is sometimes a poor indicator of quality, and you were right in the end, that in these
three specific cases, price and quality were "perfectly correlated".
Thank You 🙏🏻 because as You noticed at the end I was seriously confused. 😍
I love the words you choose to describe the wine notes it's almost like I could taste it as you describe it
Thank You. 🙏🏻 That is very sweet of You to note and it means a lot to me. 🍷 Cheers! ✨
I totally agree. What great somm she must be (is)
I am a cook and frequently guests rave about the wine and go on about how much it must have cost. LOL I don't have the heart to tell them I picked it up at Trader Joes. What they are captivated by is the combination of food and wine. We attended a huge wine/diinner tasting given by a NAPA winery. I got to sit at the table with the representative and said, "Ii have to ask a question. How do you determine the price?" I was sorta shocked. "It's whatever we say." He went on that if they tried to push off a $40 bottle for $100 they would lose customers. Not only do they have focus groups but they use an instrument that measures certain elements and in a way, determines price.
That said, we visited friends who had a literal cave of wine. He poured a Rothschild Grand and it was like liquid smoke, so different, so utterly unreal in its taste and texture. I looked it up when I got home - $680! And he had bought a case years ago at $88/each.
Well of course, I had not doubts that this is how in some regions prices are set. There are other regions where winemakers are forced to sell their wine very low because otherwise they simply would not sell at all. 🤷♀️
Hello from Ontario Canada 🙂 I purchased from an online wine company Rosso di Montalcino DOC by La Magia 2021 and Brunello di Montalcino DOCG (OWC) by La Magia 2017 (38.00 and 100.00) and I found that I enjoyed the 38.00 Rosso more that the Brunello (100.00) which surprised me. Maybe the Brunello 2017 is still young and needs more cellar time. No Idea ! Will have to try the tasting again soon 🙂 Maybe that's why I consider myself a MOWN... Master of Wine Never LOL. Cheers and thank you for all you do to keep me/us entertained. 💞
No, that is completely fine. It also depends on our preferences. And Rosso tends to be lighter, easier to enjoy and more fruit driven. Brunello (especially lately) can show high alcohol and full body, lots of tannins and high acidity, which might not be to everyone’s liking. But please, pleas don’t talk Yourself down! 😉😉😉 Cheers and thank You for the comment! 🍷✨
Nice to see the commentator break their own confirmation bias. I do get the sense that allot of wine critics who talk about price not bring quality have never tasted the expensive wines they complain about. Sadly $100-200 is not that high on the scale. Again, thanks for the honesty at the end.
Thank You! 🙏🏻 I started this channel for my studies, therefore I am studying while doing this. And that way is more fun’ 😉 Cheers! 🍾🥂
No wine is worth over $100. In my experience I’ve always been able to find wines that are as good as or better than the classic examples. If you try enough wines, you’ll eventually find the winners. At the end of the day, wine as a drinking hobby obviously isn’t cheap any way you look at it. Lol. But it sure does enrich our lives. Great episode, love your channel. Cheers.
Thank You for Your comment. I might disagree with the part that “no wine”, I guess there might be few bottles here and there. But overall, of course it is an exaggeration. Just today I heard a winemaker saying that “people have to understand that good wine costs a lot, and by a lot he meant starting from 80Eur, which in my opinion, is an arrogant view 😢😢😢😢 There are epic wines below that price, of course, and majority of winemakers put all their passion in their wines and it translates beautifully in the glass. This is what is worth paying money for! 😉
A product is worth what the market says it’s worth. If a wine can command $100, or $1,000, or $10,0000 on the market, that is what it’s worth. It may not be worth it to you, but the way markets work is that people have different preferences and so choose to purchase different things. To some people, wines of more than $100 are worth it.
@petemccutchen3266 it might seem logical, but unfortunately some prices are driven by middleman, and artificially limiting availability of the product in the market. And many wines are not sold because they are great, but because they are an investment tool. 😑
Can you do some videos on suggestions of your best quality/price bottles?! 😊
Thank You for the suggestion for the Topic. I think I could organise it! 😉
That would be incredible! I'm sure other lovers of those channel would appreciate hearing your experienced opinion of some under valued/hidden gem producers. It's what makes drinking wine so exciting in trying them!
I'll follow and buy any budget, best bang for the buck, wines you've found in your channel in 2024.
Thank You. However, please trust Your own palate as well. 🍇🍷 You will know best what You like! ✨
I like your passion, knowledge and education that you show in your videos. Please keep up your very good work 😊
Thank You very much, You are so sweet to say that. It lifts my spirits and gives energy to continue. 🙏🏻 cheers! ✨
Bravo!! You definitely one the best you tube wine education channels in the English Language. Love all your shows...and this was fantastic. Really appreciate your honesty and candor. Don't ever stop.❤
Thank You very much for this uplifting and supportive comment. You might not think that, but it means a lot to me. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Cheers! ✨🥂
Great video, once again. You are spot on with your analys. Today's problem is that a lot of people are being influenced by the big names. We recently organised a Tuscan Merlot tasting and Masseto only scored 4th place out of 7 wines. Nobody had it in first place (Castello di Ama 2016 was first place, followed by Galatrona 2016).
Castello di Ama is a great wine! 🍷🍷🍷 Cheers to that! 🙌 Unfortunately, I have never tasted Masseto, therefore I cannot comment on this. 😩
Very nice and specific reviews that really create the same mouthfeel as you describe the wines. Super happy also that I managed to get hold of 6 bottles of that exact Stella di Campalto vintage in Sweden when released back in 2021@ only 125€ 🙂
That price sounds really good for that bottle. 🙌🙌🙌 I would be super excited!
Fun video, well done on the blind tasting. You raise a lot of good points that I try to express to people - there are a lot of good wines out there that are not the expensive ones.
Thank You. 🙏🏻 I would even want to say that there are a log great wines, that are not expensive or at least excessive on their price. 😉 cheers! ✨🥂
love your authentic approach!
Thank You!🍷
I like that you were unhesitatingly willing to reassess your hypothesis based on the evidence of your tasting and evaluation. Well done!
Thank You. I was really confused at the end, because I went into that tasting fully convinced that I will not choose the most expensive wine. 😂 How wrong I was.. 🤦♀️
That was fun to watch!
Thank You! It means a lot for me! 🥂
I harp on this point all the time, relationship between quality and price is not linear, it’s logarithmic. I always say that if you know what you’re looking for, quality tapers off as price rises when you go over ~ 50 bucks.
Wine after all is a product and top bottlings are covereted for their scarcity, high demand, and low supply. When I started drinking wine and as I transitioned into it as a career, I wanted to taste all the benchmarks and rare wines so I had a Rolodex of information in my mind. These days, i’m like you and I’m always looking for the best wine for the money. I always say that you can drink world-class wine in the $25-$50 range if you fight hard and know what you’re looking for.
I love Rosso di Montalcino for its accessibility And do you think that producers should make more of it most grapes are allocated for Brunello.
Very nice selection of producers and it’s cool that the most expensive bottling showed best for you. When I do these tastings, the most expensive wine seldom
comes out on top. See you around the wine world!
Nice work 😅
When will that be? When we will finally see each other? 🍷👍
@@NoSediment I’m sure it will happen sooner rather than later!
World class at 25-50 ?
With all the respect i have to u as followers
More good wines than world class to me…
My tags are a bit higher :
At 100-250 u have tops ( if young ) bottle that are the 3 star of the wines
After its fashion more or less ( some exceptions of course )
@@drmatthewhorkey If I win the lottery soon I will join you both and Pay for everything including travel and more - hopefully much sooner than later 🥰🍷🍷🍷
Agree 100% with all your comments. It’s all about finding the value!
Just found your channel and enjoying your approach. This video did demonstrate the "law of diminishing returns" which is actually a more important phenomenon and common actually across most areas of product sales. This occurs for the very reasons you highlighted, including at the bottom end of the curve, fixed government duties per bottle, relatively fixed bottle and closure costs, etc. But which closes in at the top end of the curve due to the ability to resolve differences between the quality and the increase in actual product value you receive relative to the cost, etc. This all assuming blind tastings of course, which highlights your point around what is basically marketing. Will continue to enjoy your channel and will hunt down your recommendations.
Thank You very much for such a nice comment and the information You added. 🙏🏻 hopefully You will enjoy the other videos that are coming. 🥂
Well quality comes with a price tag. Most enjoyable. Keep it up!!
Thank You! 🙏🏻 Yes, I agree, but I was really not expecting that outcome in the tasting. 🤷♀️
Now you’ve given me a new wine to list after, Stella di Campalto. Loved your video. New sub.
Thank You, appreciate it a lot! 🔥
2015 to my palate was under-rated by the critics. They continue to amaze (the wines that is).
I guess it really depends on the region, but yes, these wines were truly great examples! 🍷
Hi Agnes your video clearly shows that the question wether higher price also gets you higher quality. Not always but very often. I believe that most of us wine lovers have similar experience as you had. Buying an expensive wine and then looking forward to tasting is only to be disappointed that it was not what it was claimed to be. Once again thank you for some great and interesting videos.
Thank You for Your comment. I often wonder, maybe we (ourselves) create that hype in our heads. And create a unrealistic expectations, and those are difficult for any wine to reach. 🤷♀️ But maybe some wines are simply not worth the hype. 😢
Wow Agnese, that is truly an epic torching of luxury wine industry pricing. I really admire your courage for telling it like it is!!
Thank You. For this specific video it was much easier, for other ones I actually do need a courage to publish. 😂 cheers! 🍾
In our wine club we serve 1/3 of the bottles under $30, 1/3 under $80, and 1/3 we blow the wad to equal $100Xmembers present. So some of the bottles we have served cost $500 or more.
Only two ever won the night… a Penfield Grange, and a Château Lafite Rothschild. Usually a wine under $30 is the winner. Nice to see you publish something to confirm our findings.
Very, very interesting. ☺️☺️ I have never tasted Penfold’s Grange in blind, but always had it next to other wines, and for me it often felt that it was not delivering price wise. (It is so expensive that I don’t know what I was expecting really.. 🤷♀️) I remember that after one Penfold’s portfolio tasting I was ordering other wines, that I felt showed better value. But I wonder if I would have the same opinion if, like You, I would have tasted it in blind. 🤔
@@NoSediment It depends on what year you have sampled it. It has had several 100 point years, some a bit lower. We had the 1990. Since 2014 it hasn't delivered those ratings.
Another point is, it takes an educated palate to understand top wines, and the average consumer's preference could be very different.
Many people have told me this, and I am not sure. I really, really don’t know, and I would like to make an experiment. Somehow I wish to believe that even casual wine drinkers would notice the difference in quality. But You are correct. 🤔
@@NoSediment. . . You either ‘get it’ …
or you don’t. Simple as . I worked amongst wines for a decade … and that simple fact was proven to myself continuously. Just the way it is .
😂 loved your reaction when you picked the 500 bottle. Great video
Thank You! 🙏🏻 But it truly was a great bottle. 🍷
An interesting and rather cerebral video. This is a very subjective topic as price often is influenced, as you mentioned by other factors than quality. I have heard several Burgundy disappointment stories from wine writers, critics and sommeliers; but to prove that this contradictory; the best red wine I ever drank was the Dennis Marchand Gevrey--Chambertin 1er Cru Craipillot 2010.
I use wine publications/media as a guidepost, but trust my own palate when buying wines. It's happened a few times that the "top" or super premium wine at a winery tasting wasn't my favorite. As I felt that it was over-extracted, too oak-y and didn't reflect it's terroir, though during the last 5-10 years this is changing. Yes, sweet and botrytis/noble rot wines are undervalued, but our perception of wine is so influenced by films, TV, marketing, and prestige, etc rather than sensory pleasure or it's intrinsic value
For me the exciting thing about wine is to find a new & upcoming regions like Sicily, Croatia, Romania, etc or re-emerging regions, such as Georgia, Hungary, Greece, etc rather than the uber- exclusive and hyper- expensive wines that are out of reach for most of us.
Agree, there is a reason why Burgundy is so expensive: wines there can be magical. But there will always be winemakers that will use the fame of a region and a vineyard. 😢 The good part is that people simply are not returning to those wines anymore. 🤷♀️
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Wonderful video! I've had the Rosso, which is also very expensive, and I thought it was incredible! What vintages were these wines? Keep up the great work!
Thank You!🙏🏻 Brunellos were from the 2015 vintage and Rosso was youngest -> 2021. Cheers! 🥂✨
Great video, once again. It is also forthcoming of you to refute your original hypothesis, but I suppose you could have added that, in a vacuum, prices would be a lot closer. In a hypothetical less hyped wine region, maybe the second best would be at 50 and the best at 90. I think better wines will always tend to be more expensive (again, a confounding factor is reputation and scarcity), but I'm glad there are still many areas that have not received as much hype as others, and I am still able to get really nice quality for my budget :)
Of course, You are absolutely correct. There are different price ceilings at different regions. And luckily for us, the wine lovers, it is not 500$ or 1000$ everywhere.
It should be that the higher price would mean a higher quality wine, and in general I think it is, just as You noted. But unfortunately, as we must have learned, it is not always the case. 🥲
I love Stella de campalto I've only had the Rosso but even that blew me away! What a producer
Agreeeee! Such a great wine, beautifully made! 🍷🙏🏻
this is already one of my favourite No Sediment videos. some good insights and you're a bit tipsy at the end 😅
I'm curious about what was the disappointing Grand Cru from Burgundy. can you tell what AOC did it come from?
3k views :O? that's crazy. good quality video, similar to the second wine. Can you ever review home made wines and meads? that would be an interesting touch for home brewers as well
🙌🙌🙌 Thank You! I do quality control for the local home made wines and fruit wines, but if I am being completely honest, I don’t know that much about fruit wine and meads. 🤷♀️
I, too was SO hoping that the best one would have been the more affordable! I suppose the world will never really know the answer to this question, as the answer always seems to change, from one experience to the next, and from one sommelier to the next. So, for every wine lover, the plot thickens, the mystery deepens, along with the frustration, and the often wavering, but eternally glowing flame of hope, that we will each encounter one of the jackpot wines that can be bought for a song, but deliver million dollar rock star quality results, in taste! Spin the bottle again, maybe the next one will be the lucky one! I would love to experience the taste of the Stella Di Campalto Brunello Di Montalcino 2015, as your descriptions make it sound like a divine experience! Like you, I would have a very hard time not swallowing! I am sure that it isn't as difficult when you taste most wines, but you must have incredible willpower, to resist the temptation of such a delicacy that is a perfect 10/10! Another wonderful video, by a rock star sommelier! 🤩🍷
Thank You for such a wonderful comment. And I agree with You, this question might never be answered, because it depends on so many aspects and factors, including region, appellation and our own preferences. 😉 Cheers! 🍷
wow wish I could've tasted alongside this video, love brunello
It was a great lineup, indeed. 🍷
I review wine and I can't begin to tell you just how much I agree with you. I have had more than a few wines that sold for around $30-$40 that just blew the doors off of more expensive wines. Wine is a product and like any other product, marketing is involved, and marketing costs money which in the end, you and I pay for. How many times have we seen a new vintage of a particular wine come out and it is rated super high by a "prestigious" wine magazine only to have the next vintage sell out instantly even though it is not very good? One rating of a label is a lot of times all it takes for the wine label to be recognized as a quality wine when in reality, nothing can be further from the truth. As I said, the next vintage can be just an average wine but people will throw the wines name around as if it is gold. My local wine shop here in "freedom" Florida knows my palate and they warn me not to buy Caymus, Cabernet Sauvignon, to stay away from it. They tell me it is way fruit forward and very much a jam bomb. So many wines live off of their reputation esapecially after they are bought out by big wine conglamorates (Constellation Brands etc;) One last comment I have is that you shouldn't be afraid to name names. You are educating folks about wine, unless you are beholden to one or more of the bad wine producers, you should come out with your feelings on them.
Wow, thank You for the amazing comment and Your insight on this topic. In my opinion great producer will be able to make good wine also on a lesser vintage, therefore I usually advise people to trust winemakers who have consistently put out a good wines. But of course, vintages varies and winemakers change.. 🤷♀️I mostly taste wine blind, and I have been surprised that some of the iconic wines don’t show well, and when You look into it - You see that generations have changed, therefore wine has also changed. Sometimes it becomes better, and sometimes it is the opposite. 🥺
Thank You! 🥂Cheers!
The way I see it is that price contains a mix of quality, opportunity, logistics (incl. taxation), marketing and technical involvement, both in technical difficulty -mostly viticulturally- and in optional processes -mostly in winemaking-. Since the last two tend to correlate with quality, the overall implicit effect of quality in price is somewhat more relevant than the other factors. It still doesn't add up to an overwhelming majority, and personal taste is also a huge external factor, but overall there's an observable correlation between price and quality. The key thing I take from this is that quality doesn't determine price to a great extent on its own, but it is generally more impactful than any other isolated factor.
I really like how You have come to a conclusion here. 🙏🏻 Yes, price alone doesn’t mean that wine will be good or great, but at higher prices there are greater possibility to get a fantastic wine! ✨
@@NoSediment thank you! It really means a lot to share ideas with the top experts!
so true! Many people who come to my restaurant, myself included, prefer the entrly level 2017 Louis Latour Mercurey vs the mid-level 2016 Domaine Thenard Givry Premier Cru I have on my bottle list
But here it could also be the price difference. 😬
So true ! Prices of Grand Cru burgundies (Bonnes Mares, Clos de la Roche, Clos St Denis etc) have become very irrational.
OMG, I just received new allocations, and some producers have increased their prices for GC for more than 100% 😩😩😩 These were expensive wines to begin with, and now they are entering a realm of “never ever, ever”!
@@NoSediment That's just INSANE ! I remember the days where $50 USD for a first growth red Bordeaux is splurging ! I am kicking myself as back in the mid 80's, I was offered a case of 1982 LePin for $2400 ($200/bottle) and I thought my wine merchant was nuts. What do I know ?
The fact is: quality and price do not necessarily go hand in hand. But the area of production is to be taken into account. When we consider an area like Bordeaux, for example, where the price is almost solely defined by the Grand Cru level, and where the level dates back to an almost 150 yo definition which was based (guess what?) on the price of the wines at the time, then it's clear that the link can (and often is) broken, with some fourth or fifth growth possibly being much better than second or third ones.
But when we step to less important areas, things start to change: the price of the wine starts to reflect more the work in the vineyard and in the winery, and then the time spent in the cellar. These are things that matter, and will have an effect both on the price AND on the quality. So it doesn't surprise me at all that a 500€ bottle from Montalcino was better than a 100€ one, and much better than a 20€ one. On the other hand, you proved something else you didn't mention: while from 20€ to 100€ the difference in quality is quite remarkable, the difference between 100€ and 500€ is much less appreciable, especially for non-connaisseurs. So... Is it worth spending 500€ for a bottle? Yes, if you care able to appreciate the difference. Otherwise spend 100€, or maybe 50€, and you'll get a wine to remember anyway!
(For the non Euro people... Feel free to change € to $... The concept is the same 😂)
Yes, what I actually didn’t say is, that I payed 5x more, but did I get the 5x better quality? I am not so sure, but I do know that I would choose that Stella di Campalto wine over and over again! It was great! 🍷
I like your take away: Sometimes price maybe reflects quality 😄
Sorry for that I was really confused at the end. I didn’t plan for tasting to go that way! 🍷
@@NoSediment oh no, I really meant that. No irony intended. 😊
Hahahahaha the dilemma in the end is classic. Realizing really expensive wine can have that special quality hurts when you’ve had bad really expensive underwhelming bottles before
I was really confused at the end. I didn’t plan it, and to be honest I was more worried that I would score highly the 20$ wine. Or that 100$ would be at the top. But it wasn’t, at least for me. And it really confused me a lot. 😅
amazing video! I loved when you said “I wont name names” but everybody knew you were talking about stock market wine regions of France 😂
having said that, fairer test would have been if wines were from different regions.
Well, I wanted to be completely honest and taste one grape and one region in a different price categories. If I would have tried different regions, it wouldn’t be fair: because each region operates at a different price levels. And I wanted to see if the price 5x higher provides 5x higher quality. 🤷♀️
@@NoSediment hmm, not sure if I agree. I would assume each region has its own price formula, specially when you have classification tastings like Italy, obviously if Rosso was as good as Brunello, they would have classified as such. more interesting question for me would be, how base level of Aglianico from Puglia compares to premium level of Bordeaux for example. as question here is what dictates price of the wine as a whole and not specific region.
I understand what You mean, and I think that would be great tasting to do. And I am sure I could do that for some other video - where topic would be looking for alternatives for the iconic wines. And do they hold the ground. However, here I thought it was fair to see how price affects the quality and for that it was important (for me) to taste single grape, single origin.
@@NoSediment totally! loved it!
More of these vids!
Thank You! ✨ definitely will do’ 😉
I think you better choose Burgundy instead. For Montalcino, the price does reflect the quality, especially you picked the Rosso. Anyway, enjoyed your tasting video.
There is actually a video I made on Burgundy quality levels. Specifically on white wines. And I am preparing to make another one only on Burgundy red wines.
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Well, I think the more expensive a wine, the more difficult it is the justify the required price. I was once long time ago at Pomerol vertical tasting where Petrus wasn‘t the best wine. The key question is to find a grenade of a wine which still somehow affordable. Try once a Volnay-Champans of Marquis d‘Angerville.
I often think.. was it really not the best wine? The Petrus? Or because of its price we have unrealistic expectations that that wine simply cannot full-fill?
Marquis d’Angerville with their Volnay Champans bottlings is great, but I wouldn’t say it is exactly affordable wine. 😅🤨🥺
I hope that's the same bottle of Stella di Campalto as you used in the steak sandwich pairing short video! Two bottles within a week would be quite extravagant!
Yes, of course, that is the same bottle. 🙌 good eye! 🍷😉
Burgundy GC and the very top Bordeaux chateaux are definitely fashion items driven by scarcity rather than quality, I would say. Almost all the Burgundy I drink now is Villages (red) and St Aubin, Auxey-Duresses, and Maconnais (white). I once included a Lafite in a blind tasting I conducted: it came nowhere.
My advice to find a merchant whom you trust and who suits your palate.
This evening, though, I am drinking a 2015 Moulin A Vent, bought for me by friends a few years ago. It is excellent: plums, red fruits and complexity. It was a terrific match for the roast chicken. Aged Beaujolais from good vintages is very good value, imho. Spain, Chile and South Africa can also provide good value. I still think Bordeaux cru bourgeois takes some beating. For whites, my go to is still Alsace, although Italy and Austria produce some really good value wines.
I happen to think that Cru Beaujolais is one of the most underrated red wines out there. Those wines are amazing an will not cost irrationally crazy amount of money! 🍷 and I am happy You enjoyed it’ cheers!
Had never heard of Stella Di Campalto, will have to keep an eye out for that one 😊. I have tried the Cassonova Di Neri, and enjoyed it a lot. Thought it was as good as Il Marroneto. So far, my favorite Brunello of those I’ve been able to try has been the 2015 Valdicava Brunello Riserva Madonna Del Piano. That one blew me away.
One additional element you could explore along the lines of this video topic is testing the theory that I hear a lot. That more moderately priced wines from great vintages often out perform the luxury/cult labels releases from lesser vintages. I think most of the examples where I’ve been truly disappointed in a “high end” bottle that wasn’t cooked/corked was when it was a more affordable vintage that I was drinking the same night as a reliable regular that I bought in bulk from a strong vintage.
Thank You, I added it to the list. I haven’t tasted the Vladicava Brunello. 🤔🤔🤔
By the way, thank You for the tip. This could be a great topic! 😅🤔
You are not wrong.
I have had a few 100-200 1er Crus Burgundies which showed absolutely nothing.
That is too sad, because these are expensive wines, and it would be nice to have a certainty that spending decent amount of money, You would get a decent wine! 🥲🥲
Yeah, no need to drop names. I am in no way a wine professional but I picked up on that pretty fast. I've had a few opportunities to try wine way out of my price range that was "old an expensive" by comparison and I found myself preferring something younger that I paid $10-$15 for. The oldest wine I've tried so far was a 1991 Sauternes. It was interesting but I'm not sure it was (for me) $75 per 375ml bottle interesting. The only way I can describe it is lacking that...youthful vibrancy.
That is completely fine! I will actually touch on this subject briefly on my next podcast. We are under this impression that wine should be old and many will even make others feel bad for opening bottles too soon. But in reality it is surprising how highly valued is bright fruit flavours in wine by professionals. That said, none would refuse nice aged bottle of top Bordeaux, Bourgogne or Champagne. 🥂😬
Always Love Your Content Tx for telling truth TASTE always matters along with personal level of tasting. RULE # 1 DRINK WHAT YOU LIKE and POUR WINE THAT YOUR GUESTS CAN ENJOY.
Sorry for such a late reply! 🥹 and thank You for the lovely compliment. Your rule number one is the best rule’ 🙌
Stella di campalto my fav 😍
ABSOLUTELY amazing wine, really’ 🙏🏻
Prices in Burgundy are mostly hype. Nothing in Italy has that level of hype, so prices are more in line with quality.
Prices in Burgundy are irrational. 🥹 But there are some wines in Italy, that show similar pricing pattern, and unfortunately more and more. 😑 but that means we still have a chance to taste some wines that we might not be able in the future z
I’m definitely not an expert, but in my experience price does correlate strongly with quality! Love your channel. Thanks for sharing
Lucky for us, in most cases. And of course average quality grows with the increase of price. Yet, there are always exceptions. And of course, that wine for 100$ was still truly great! 🍷
Wine is for elegant classy people I enjoy drinking a glass of wine
I would want to believe that wine is for everybody! 🙏🏻 cheers! 🥂
I wouldn't doubt there's a strong correlation (albeit < 1) between price and quality. But the relationship is markedly superlinear, meaning the final few percent in quality cost a huge premium. And as there's too much money in the world, only unevenly distributed, there will always be people who don't give a **** about the price, they just go "I want that". Unfortunately many of those will not be able to properly appreciate.
Thank You for the comment! 🙏🏻 I don’t feel that I am one to judge whether these people can or cannot appreciate the high end wines.. 🤷♀️ But I do feel saddened about the fact that more and more bottles are becoming so expensive that only lucky few can afford them. And unfortunately I am not in that “lucky few” community. 🥹🥹🥹
@@NoSediment You are right, to say "many" is an unjustified assumption based on feelings and hearsay. My bad. I do know of examples though. We do share the "unlucky due to affordability". 😥😉
Expensive wine is magical. It can turn money into urine.
That said, it can please those who can afford it and very often it's just to show off.
The best is the one you like. The next best is the one you like and can afford. Even then I refuse to pay exorbitant prices for "great wine" because its a fleeting pleasure. I'd much rather put my money towards things that last. But to each his own and enjoy the day.
Never tolerate wine snobs. It doesn't matter what the drink or food is... keep yourself open to new experiences but if you like it then enjoy it.
OMG, I couldn’t agree more with You. I also think that the best wine is the one You like! And I also agree that many buy expensive wine for the show, especially the loud names, and often don’t appreciate it for what that wine really is. Thank You for Your comment! ✨🍾
Price does reflect quality most of the time but quality does not go up in a fair proportionate way. Someone will pay extra $400 for 5 more points and someone will not.
Prieks, ka arī no Latvijas nāk quality YT saturs 🎉
Love the t shirt
Thanks! 🥂
You have to know the producer’s style and winemaking techniques when paying big prices for a wine.
I had a 2010 Charmes Chambertin by Armand Rousseau in a Paris restaurant which specialises in Burgundy wines, because I had been to a tasting of Rousseau’s wines covering most of the cru Chambertins and I knew what to expect. Charmes is not a highly regarded cru Chambertin but Rousseau does magical things with their plot.
It was an ethereal wine, one of the greatest I have tasted. Pinot Noir at its zenith. The sommelier enjoyed his glass as well !
Sounds like a truly great experience! And a lucky somm! 🙃
@@NoSediment
Gorgeous wine.
Great experience.
And the somm deserved his glass.
He now runs Cave Vino Sapiens.
Great guy.
Maybe the next test can be tasting the difference between wines ranging from €15-50. That's a nice price point for most of us as we want wines we don't feel too guilty drinking on a Tuesday night. I come from South Africa and now I live in Norway. So for the first time I have access to old world wines such as Chianti, Barbaresco, Rioja etc and I want to explore these wines without breaking my bank. I think there are lots of others out there also looking for ultimate bargains and quality entry level recommendations from an expert we trust.
Sure, thank You for the tip, I think this is great idea! I also was thinking- maybe I should make a video-> what would I get for 20€ in each region or country? I bet South Africa would look really good there, since I believe it is country where one can get great value for money. 😅
@@NoSediment That'd be amazing, thanks so much. Might I recommend Mullineux (signature range) for a Rhone style or Kanonkop (estate range) for a Bordeaux style. Vergelegen is a personal favourite, but their wines are not always available overseas. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
Hi, Agnese!
You're awesome, as always!
Very interesting experience.
But...
There is another hand of this story.
9,5 points for $100 wine vs 10 points for $500 wine.
Is it point to pay 5 times more for this small difference?
For magical experience, yes, it is worth it.
That is a very good question, and I was tackling the very same issue. Unfortunately, we ended up cutting it out, because it was getting too philosophical. 😉 But, yes, very good point to discuss. 🤔
what's your go-to santenay? :) btw that di neri is their single vineyard offering, not the straight brunello
Comptes lafon ( and always their white on meursault as reference of my heart )
@@stephanemaster8808 Sure but it's priced accordingly, hundreds for the village to thousands for the montrachet
@@hatchegg80 but mostly one of the best for a « low » price if compare to 90%
But i saw that i am not the only one to think that because price are rising
Back in 2007 i can afford montrachet from comtes lafon at 650€ euros now more like 2000€
My incomes doesn’t grow that much in same time lol
Avoid the perrieres and so
Go to the la barre or désirée
Can be less tense and mineral but better price range
And as now each time the score of vintage is good people battle to have and rise price too much
@@stephanemaster8808 lafon costs almost as much as leflaive now, you might as well say coche dury but I don't see how all these are relevant to my santenay question lol
@@hatchegg80 coche as ramonet are out of price
Devissat for chablis maybe
But
For santenay lafon made some but maybe sell some to center to volnay now
I'm not a sommelier but I've tasted (and spit) over 1,000 wines in my life. My theory is that if you can find an excellent $25 wine, buy it in volume. If you taste a $100 wine next to a $25 you will probably prefer the more expensive one. If you taste one on Tuesday and the other on Thursday one at a time, you will probably not taste the difference. Save money. Enjoy a $25-$35 bottle.
Yeeeees! Agreed! I was talking about this with my colleague, and he said the exact same thing- when You taste the wines isolated from each other, You might not even notice the difference (because both are really great and high in quality). But next to each other, it does make a difference. Even though “technically” 100$ vs 500$ - both should be great! ☺️
I would say that price does not reflect quality 1:1.
Was wine 2 better than Wine 1 or 3? Yes. Was it 5 times better than wine 3 or 25 times better than wine 1? Probably not.
In my experience, the best values are found in the $15-30 range, exceptional wines fall into the $30-100 range, and after about the $100/bottle mark, you rapidly get into diminishing returns as you start paying more for the name than for the wine itself.
Yes, that is a great way to put it. Price doesn’t reflect 1:1, and the way I scored the wines in my tasting reflects this. Thank You! 🙌🍷
In my opinion, the blind test was way too easy because all three wines were from the same region of Tuscany, all made 100% out of the same grape variety - Sangiovese, which ripens best in Montalcino.
The difference between these wines is to a lesser degree type of aging, and mostly the length of aging. Of course that a grape varietal with such high acidity and subdued tannins, will need longer aging to balance those flavors out.
It would still be easy, but definitely harder than this, to for example do a blind test between Brunello, Chianti Classico which can be blended up to 20% - mostly with Cabernet Sauvignon, and something from the Chianti region but outside of the black rooster municipality borders, where even more than 20% blends are allowed.
It's not only about the type of grape either, but different terroir.
Just a friendly suggestion, no offense.
Otherwise, I do like your conclusion in the end because in my experience, it does reflect reality
The only exception would be expensive celebrity labels, like Snoop Dogg having a wine label now, with the wine of course being 👎.
The winemakers from these traditional areas are to this day hard working, passionate people obsessed with wine, but farmers first and foremost. Vineyard is where it's at, at least 80% of winemaking. :)
Don’t worry! 😉 But I have my arguments: I specifically made the tasting from one region, because that was the question -> is it worth paying premium price if You get wine from the same region, as appellation and grape stays the same. Price changes. If You introduce too many variables in the experiment, than at the end You cannot draw conclusions. And if, as You say, it is way too easy, it means that price does reflect the quality, and that is it, no need for experiment. 🤷♀️ and in this case it really did show. ✨ But it is not that Stella di Campalto wine was aged longer, than Neri. And ageing wine in the cellar doesn’t mean increasing its quality. It was simply more expensive than Neri and Neri was more expensive than Altesino (though Altesino was not a Brunello). I have my theory why Stella di Campalto is so expensive, but that is for another longer comment! 😉😉😉 Cheers! 🍾🥂
@@NoSediment Well in the experiment the price did end up reflecting quality. 😉
That doesn't mean no need for an experiment, it did give you an answer, if not the answer.
Anyhow, nevermind...I totally missed the part about the wine being from the same region. I thought the experiment would be more broad, not necessarily with more variables tho. My thinking was; take lesser known wines, the same number of them, from the same grape varietal for control, but with more variety on the variables side of things, like different regions, even different countries.
Don't take my comment as coming from a bad place, I've only just discovered your channel and already think it's amazing, one of the best in fact when it comes to wine! 👍🥂
It'll be interesting if you can do $20, $100, $500 Napa Cab blind tasting. I feel that the extra layer of finesse you get from the $500 brunello might not show in a $500 Napa Cabs......
It would be very interesting indeed. Because I have tasted some of the high end ultra expensive bottles, and I was not impressed. Again, wouldn’t feel comfortable to identify the wines. But prices in California can get quite crazy 😝
You are right that price dose not reflect quality yet in this case, the quality justified the price. That $500, what it costs in your country, was made with the highest quality standards that it costed a lot to make that wine along with the fact that they wine is already four years old on release. Can you explain why wines that start at $20 are considered premium wines?
Edit: Another factor that comes into play is where you buy the wine from. A place I buy wine from online charges more than my local wine stores but has a lot more wines to select from.
This is the number how majority of retailers will categorise their wines by price points. And given the fact that average price paid for the wine bottle is way below that, it makes sense. And there are some really great wines one can get for that price. 😍🙏🏻
Yes, retailer also impacts the prices, that is a very good point, I missed. 🙏🏻 But in my defence, I rarely see that price can differ greatly. Usually it is +/- similar. 😉 Cheers. 🍷
Envy rides people like crazy, and for some a lot is not enough. If they can't have what Mr Croesus is drinking, life sucks. It's a dark and infantile mentality because it means that in a way they'll always be poor.
I love this quote from the film "The Big Short": "Let's get on this quickly too. Because if he's right, every loser with a couple million bucks in a fund is gonna be jumping on this." So there you have it guys, the grass is always greener. Fact of the matter is that never in history has more and better wine been available to the general public. How about counting our blessings?
Indeed, never in history we have wine so readily available and at such high quality. ✨🥂
I have some price tag all in one
0 to 10 € not to see ( because i want people to live with their works
10-50€ where could be some good finding
50-100€ where could be more deception
Over 200€ where there is mostly impressive bottles
And
over 1000€ where speculative is the king ( some burgundy and champagne at 3 to 7k€ at youth… )
My story at the beginning was about bottle 200+ and unfortunately it was not impressive. But of course, it should be that if You pay for a bottle that amount, it should be impressive! 😉
@@NoSediment there is also the « bootle not in health » even high end could be like that
I just experience this with silex 2014 : nothing wrong but nothing in it…
Most of the time price DOES reflect the quality! Salud
😂😂😂 Thank You’
You are paying for demand vs. supply. Quality is farther down the list.
That said, as long as I can find good Riesling and Pinot Noir, from anywhere, I'm happy. 😄
True! But the funny thing is that, not always the demand is naturally created, often it is part of the marketing strategy. 🤷♀️
For me, I always look at price based on region. When I find a wine that I feel exceeds it PGR, it jump at ordering a 1/2 case or case. The majority of wines that I have tried that are over $150 a bottle, are typically not worth it. This does not pertain to wines that I buy for future resale. I am only talking about wines that I bring out to drink at home.
Yes, thank You for this, it is a very valid point. It makes huge difference where the wine is coming from, and some wine regions offer better price/quality than others. 👍
The 10x issue can be referred to as wanker value for wanky wines. Many of them are great and some are amazing but there are usually better value wines….I’m in Australia and we have ~$250 Shiraz that is far better than a Rhone Syrah at >$1k; or a Farr Cote Pinot for ~$100 that’s better value and similar quality to a Domaine Leroy at >~$10k…then again, the mega wealthy mustn’t care or have a clue; as it’s a significant waste of money - unless it’s for wank value…sometimes it is - I have a selection of wanky wines in my stock. In Australia, U.S. high end wines are comparatively well priced as there’s anti-American bias.
I haven’t heard of that phrase -> wanker value!! 😂😂😂 but I agree in one thing, I also like to look for value. That doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy the louder names or wines that sometimes are better locked in a collection… but for me, yes, looking for value is important. ✨🍾
price sets expectations, do you ever review negociant wines like Cameron Hughs or De Negoce
Yes. That is true. For me, it was not the price but rather the GC that I was hoping to shine, and unfortunately it didn’t. 🤨 I don’t do wine reviews in general, more just as a tasting, for fun or for educational purposes. 🫡
Did you go to la Cité du vin?? 😊 cheers from Bordeaux
Yes, I actually did spend there half a day. It was a lot of fun. Unfortunately I didn’t film it, as it was spontaneous visit and therefore it didn’t end up at the video. 🤫
It is not a good exemple because the Stella di Campalto is the best wine in the world. I bought them 70 euro in 2015 😱
That is great price for that wine! I hope You have a lot of wines left in Your cellar. Slightly jealous. 😉😉😉
I think you missed a point. All the bottles you tasted in this video are from the same village, Montalcino. the price of a wine is closely related to its quality when all the bottles are from the same region.
I was very specifically looking for wines from the same grape and region. It would not have been fair to rate wines from a different regions and different grapes.
500$ Napa is not the same as 500$ Brunello and 500$ Mendoza. Pricing is different in each region. And I was not looking for alternatives for expensive wines, but analysing -> is it worth Your money. Is the 5x more expensive wine really 5x times better. And for that - to be fair You need same region and same grape.
That old Casanova had no chance. You are wise.
Hey - How come some of the Petrus bottles you've shown in the video didn't have a red label? Thanks
I am not sure actually, as unfortunately 😩😩😩 those are not my Petrus bottles. I think some labels were just whitened by the sun, even though those are not very old vintages. 😅🍷
@@NoSediment that's the thing, just last week I've seen a post on Instagram about a bottle with a label similar to that, and people were saying it must be a fake. But about a month ago, I saw a bottle with the same label in a major retailer in Portugal. And as you pointed out, they are young vintages, so not really sure what's going on with that 😅
Thanks for the reply! 😃
@nuno.peixoto do You think those are real bottles or maybe dummies? Because I seriously doubt that retailer would put real Petrus bottle in the sunlight. 😬😬😬 Maybe, those are dummies and for reasons to avoid fraud are slightly different?
@nuno.peixoto i am just speculating, of course.
@@NoSediment I honestly don't know. The bottle was behind a really thick glass, but it could still be a dummy bottle. Maybe one day we'll see something on the news about it 😅
What grand Cru producer and year was it ?
I am sorry, I don’t want to spoil the producer. But it was one of the larger ones. 😬
@@NoSediment Jadot, bouchard, LOL from Corton LOl
@@terryhsiao1745 2008 vintage, different GC though. 😉
In Australia, the crap wine starts from $20 thanks to plenty of taxes
I am sorry to hear that. 🥺
Of course the $500 wine will be the best just about every time. But the real question is this: Would the typical viewer of this channel (who is not in the wine busines...) purchase just 1 of the $500 or 5 of the $100?
Actually, I would like to disagree. 20$ will be (should be) better almost every time than a 5$ wine. That is just the way it is. However, at some point the quality increase with price increase will not work that way anymore. There is just so much we can do in the vineyards and wineries. And at some point You just start to pay for scarcity, brand, marketing, etc.. therefore, it not the case, and thanks god! 😂😂😂
..so why do you show a 1er cru while describing village level…., interesting.
If You see at the bottom of the video - it says for the demonstration purposes. Nothing too interesting here! 😉
So, you're stocking up on wine, you're budget is 500$.
Buy 1 bottle
Buy 5 bottles
Buy 25 bottles.
Personally i buy 1 100$ bottle and 20 20$ bottles
Everyone has their own needs
It also depends on the style preferences and reasons why You are purchasing that bottle! 🍷
'Promosm' 🤣
it doesnt just try a bunch blind taste
I am not sure I follow/understand this one. 🤔
I meant that in a blind taste, there is a huge disagreement when you compare $ and points, in other words no correlation, on average
@@robertomangioni9272 that is also not true, and is very easy to prove. There are a increase with higher points or medals as the price increases (blind tastings, wine judging competitions). Unfortunately it not always the case, that more expensive wine will be better in quality. But there is a correlation, for sure.
if you compare a 95 and above, maybe there is a correlation for experts who studied wine for 10 years. but for the 94 and below, zero correlation for the regular person.
I feel she picked the wrong wines for this experiment. Those prices are so far apart that they cannot not have noticable differences. These people paying $500 are not idiots.
I think I picked very good wines for this experiment. Because I have tasted wines that are very expensive, and are not of the highest quality. Unfortunately that happens. There are people who are prestige buyers, and who likes to show off. And wine is no different - it is a luxury good. 😉 Cheers!
Nice videos, but just too many ads, I stop watching them.
I am sorry to hear that, there should be only two though. 🤨
The price spread here was pretty extreme (20, 100, 500), so there should be discernible differences in quality (and preference). Although then one still needs to decide for themselves what price premium can be tolerated for a better wine experienced. I follow Konstantin Baum's YT channel and he did a similar tasting 2 years ago. I sent him the following story of a group tasting that I conducted in 2018 with novice tasters and 2005 Bordeaux. I'm copying that description below. Sorry for the length.
In 2018, I conducted an experiment with seven 2005 Bordeaux red wines (price range $18-68--CellarTracker Community average cost at the time) and seven, novice wine tasters (I participated, but didn't include my rankings in the results). Wines were tasted in random order and single blind. Also, each wine had at least one professional score of 90+, so no laggards here. Each taster was asked to rank the wines from 1 (favorite) to 7 (least favorite). Then, I performed proper non-parametric statistical tests on the outcome. First result is that the rankings were not random across tasters (p
Yes, Indeed I took the price range to the extreme, however, all of these price points are considered premium. Or ultra premium. Also I wonder, would I say the same thing about the Neri and Stella di Campalto if I was tasting them in isolation? 🤔🤔🤔
It's rather unfortunate that the tasters could discuss openly about the wine and influence one another. This would mean that people tend to follow one another in their preference, (in particular the more confident and vocal person), making the result more homogenous. Maybe the next time, have people hand in their score first, then discuss the wine afterward. I'll bet the result would be quite different.
@@Birdylockso makes a good point. However, here are the ranking for the tasters (rows are the different wines). While there were general tendencies, and hence the group agreement identified, there was also significant variation in rankings. That suggest to me that inter-taster influence was minimal.
Linya Li-Lin Hiro Li-Fen Jon Peggy Jeff
4 2 7 3.5 7 7 3
6 6 4 6 6 6 6
5 7 6 7 5 4 4
7 5 5 5 2.5 5 1
3 3.5 2 2 2.5 3 5
1 1 1 1 1 2 7
2 3.5 3 3.5 4 1 2