“All we did was turn into the vice kings that wore purple...” The sad truth, we are the bad guys here, we used to be cleaning the streets and we have turned into what were fighting against in the first game.
Well rather have the saints in charge who wont blow up the city if there isnt any competition. The brotherhood, samedi, ronin. all those would have had a bigger impact than the Saints. I mean shit, we did turn into Vice Kings who wore Purple, but the sad truth is, when we dropped the flag the city went to shit any way? Might aswell do it yourself and ensure it goes as planned :/ We are the bad guys, to some extent. However Julius took his trust as being a leader and deceived, betrayed and attempted to murder all of those who would take a bullet for him in any other way.. he done fucked up once he dropped his flag, whilst being a leader he could've changed his ways. Shit, leaving two sociopathic murderers in charge and not having killed the entire city by now goes to show it aint all that bad (Gat and The Boss)
Did Julius ever said anything bad about the way Playa handled stuff? No he fucking encouraged him and then without even mentioning Troy proposition he blows the kid up. Just after we worked our asses out to SAVE HIM.
Even though Julius kinda had this coming since he crossed the one rule the Saints had, ultimately he was right. Ever since Gat and The Boss showed up The Saints had lost its original purpose of ridding the city of gang activity and became Vice Kings who wore purple. I also feel somewhat bad for Julius. Judging from his rapidly aged appearance he's clearly been down on his luck ever since the Saints disbanded and judging from his eyes he turned to drugs to ease his internal suffering after learning that the betrayal of his friends was pointless in the end seeing as 3 new gangs have taken over the city he once tried to save and became a shell of his former self. Woah I just blew my own mind. Why can't Saints Row 3 and 4 have characters this deep?
AHappyBlackGuy Julius had this coming for so long because when he joined Ultor to be a tour guide for the renovated Saints Row Church that covers the origins of the Third Street Saints all of the original inhabitants of the district were left homeless and many of the other original saints were dead or serving jail sentences while he got to live a cushy luxurious lifestyle. The reason he looks a lot older and his eyes were a little purple was because he was probably using drugs because he felt really guilty about betraying his number two. The Saints specialty is Gang Warfare they don't start trouble with the cops unless they prove a problem. The only one who is an equal asshole besides Julius is Dex.
AHappyBlackGuy still the police here were absolutely terrible. What with Monroe making you assassinate Marshall Winslow and then later giving so much power over to Ultor. My guess is Troy when he became chief of police tried to stop Ultor but it was too late because they were already really powerful. Troy was also the one that made sure the protagonist stayed alive when they were in a coma.
Seriously though, how could Julius expect a fucking street gang to rid the city of crime? Doesn't he realize what type of people join gangs? The whole point of a gang in the first place? It was a lost cause from day one, and he knew it once he decided to murder the boss and throw the Saints to the dogs. He abandoned all those people he was supposedly "protecting" and only cared about himself in the end. Still though, shooting him was going a bit too far. I would've preferred if we were given a choice to let him live and make him leave Stillwater forever and never come back, or go after Dex together. It seemed like they were building up to the latter but then they just went nowhere with it.
I did. And I gotta admit, it gave me have a whole different perspective about the protagonist. Julius was wrong for not talking to him first, but then again, the protagonist wouldn't back down, so technically speaking, they're both wrong and right, but Julies is super wrong for setting him up like that.
12:06 he joined your gang, did everything you said without question and became the most trusted, loyal and capable saint you had. pretty sure that debts paid
"If it weren't for me, you woulda died on that street corner." TECHNICALLY it was Troy that shot the thug who was about to kill The Boss. From the beginning, despite the fact he was a cop, Troy has been pretty good to The Boss. He kept him alive after the explosion, he's looked the other way whenever the Saints were back on their bullshit, and most of all Troy is only one phone call away to be a homie in Saints Row 2. Troy is loyal to his job, but at the same time I can tell he respects The Boss.
Plus Julius always saw the Saints as expendable if necessary. He considered Lin's death and Johnny being crippled as acceptable losses. Plus it was Troy and Johnny's extra effort that allowed them to round out the plans the other lieutenants had to take down the gangs while Julius cashed in the chips. So not really is an understatement for the boss
I don't know what the hell were the developers thinking. They had the ball rolling fast in Saints Row 2. They had it breaking out of its "GTA Clone" branding and becoming its own thing. Then Saints Row 3 happened. Not gonna lie, its fun, but were they high while doing it? It was way too wacky and unbelievable
@@TheTriangle444 Yeah they probably were high, what's your point? The game has always been wacky and fun as hell or did I imagine that whole part where you can tell the player to rip a fire hydrant out of the ground with his bare hands and beat cops up with it?
@@solinvictus4367 im not complaining about that. Those features are what i like about saints row as you cant do in gta. But the storyline makes the game feel like a different game, if you feel for the franchise that is
Fun fact, Julius wasn't supposed to turn on you at the end of SR1. He was supposed be set up with the gang (show running from an alley covered in his own blood) but the animators altered the scene without the consent of the development team. Much as I love SR3/4, I can't help but wonder what might have happened if we got the ending we were supposed to.
King Panthro That part always bothered me. Even though you can kill millions of npcs, that cutscene always put a bad taste in my mouth. I’m sure it was supposed to, The Boss ranges between antihero and villian in 2. I liked him that way, too, even though Troy Baker makes him so likable in 3 and 4.
traci beachel that's the thing: he treated his gang like shit and you can see that in most scenes. A gang leader shouldn't be an angel since their work is dirty, but they should atleast respect the men that stand by them, which he didn't. Although in retrospect his personality does make sense since it was up to him to revive the third street saints, so there was alot of pressure going on.
Julius was morally right here, but at the end of the day he still betrayed his most loyal gang member who did everything he ever asked of him without any question or hesitation. The Protagonist assassinated mayor Winslow and the chief of police Monroe _just_ to get Julius out of jail, and Julius didn't even respect him enough to sit down and explain why he needed to dissolve the Saints; like a snake he just planted a bomb and hoped it would kill the Protagonist. I definitely understand why the Protagonist felt the way he did in this mission.
The thing is everything he said was flawed and his actions didn't line up with what he said. He created a street gang not a vigilante group. Who benefited primarily by everything done in Saints Row? Julius. Who got the playa involved in criminal activities? Julius. The leader sets the tone for the group but never did it seem like he was attempting to make anything other then a street gang. If you are going to engage in criminal activity the only thing you can expect to replicate the Vice Kings (Didn't end well for any of their members). Dude was better off creating a non profit organization against crime. Honestly, it can be assumed that the coma along with events of the first game made the Playa much more violent. That is very common in those type of environments. Short Version: Actions speak louder than words. A street gang can never decrease crime. Especially when it relies on illegal activities to make money. Best you can hope for is to be similar to the Vice Kings.
Like I get what a lot of people are saying on the comments, but yeah if Julius didn't like how things ended up and Gat and Playa didn't drop their flags, then just leave. And still, the Saints DID dissolve and look what happened, three new even more dangerous gangs showed up. If the Saints stayed in power, gangs like the Brotherhood and Ronin wouldn't even get a chance to get started and Stilwater would have most likely been better like how you wanted
@@LuminousWhispers11 The Saints are a lesser evil tho sure they are worst than the other gangs but having one unified group controlling the city is better than four warring street gangs. The Saints as bad as they are maintain stability.
@@Nomozacc If they are worse then they are not the lesser evil. For the record, while each group specializes in something in both games, the Saints get involved in all forms of illegal activities. So, objectively a city being controlled by the Saints is worse than a divided city. The gangs countered each other but the Saints conquer the entire area in both games.
SR2's boss was genuinely intimidating and someone you didn't want to fuck with. In SR3 and SR4 they drop that completely to make the boss more funny and "lol random".
@@turtleguymcturtle4303 On the Bosses wiki it mentions something like he kind of grew soft since he pretty much had everything he desired at that point. (End of Sr2)
Julius was right. The saints weren't about protecting the streets anymore. Taking over more likely, but he was at fault. 3rd street acted under his influence. Carried out every order.
Arthur Jones that’s why I don’t blame the boss. I agree with what he says to Julius, if he felt guilty he should have just dropped his flags and left without issues. It sorta feels like Julius is making himself sound like the victim of his gang turning into something he didn’t want even do he knew what it meant by wiping out the other gangs and taking over there territory. Hell he was present when they made the deal with the Columbians to get the drugs back and become their main business partners.
@@draico4265 I mean the boss was a yes man, if Julius wants him to druve to the strip club, he'll do that. If he wants to go get ice cream he'll goddamn do it. But I still think the power he got corrupted him and in the game u can see him became more psychotic as the game progress.
@@draico4265 The Colombian deal never made sense to me since the Saints were supposed to be "protecting" the streets. However, I could understand Julius wanting to destroy the monster he created rather than allow him/her to do more damage.
The original Saints Row set Volition up to create a truly gritty tale of gangs & revenge but they completely rushed it all & turned it ridiculous. I feel like they blew so much potential to even rival & kick GTA off the pedestal. No wonder they went bust, no vision.
Bailey Energy I think it's the other way around, Saints Rows 1 and 2 were both released after gta 3 and San Andreas, and it shows in many ways, volition knew they could never compete with gta, so the newer games shifted saints row from just being a clone of gta, to a fun series with more room for ideas that would never work in the first two
02:08 Troy: WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?! Julius: It was the only way! Troy: I SAID "TALK", NOT SET OFF A GODDAMN BOMB! Julius: Relax, Troy. The Saints are finished. They won't try to find me.
I mean Julius was trying to "sleazeball" his way out of it when it was obviously Troy that saves the boss in the first game. The boss may have been at the peak of his evil in this game, but at least he saw through everyone's bullshit and didn't take it, and made good on never going after Troy when he realized he had nothing to do with the boats bombing in the first game.
I always considered this as the true ending of SR2. I really wish that SRTT had continued where SR2 left off from. The corporate warfare dlc was the perfect set up for a sequel. I hope the new saints row goes back to being gangster again
All this with Julius bring a traitor is because an animater was lazy and instead of showing Jules run away at the end of saints row 1 he instead made Jules pick up a cell phone and watch the bomb go off. It was supposed to be Jules being chased
Stealthyhunter think of it like this he knew what they were doing beginning to end. He didn’t stop them from going the wrong way. Hell he was present when they made the deal with the Columbians to become the main business partners.
Julius was right. The Saints desended into madness being led by a sociopath and psychopathic sadist as his second in command. Dex was intelligent enough to know there was no reason for mindless mayhem. Lin knew right from wrong and was only just a tough nut, strong but had a straight head. Troy was an undercover cop who had morales. Julius was seeing the error of his ways.
Julius was right but also, I’m sure the SR1 boss would’ve understood what was happening. He was loyal to the gang till the end! Assassinating people to get Julius out of jail safe and sound. Julius made a shit judgement call and turned the boss into a true psychopath. That betrayal truly changed him. I feel sorry for both of them but in the end, I feel sorry for volition not finishing this story. Big loss
The boss became a psychopath well before SR2 started, being converted by the power and wealth he discovered. He killed hundreds without any hesitation whatsoever, and never shows any signs of remorse or empathy. He shoots civilians dead for literally no reason when carjacking them if he's holding a pistol, just because he feels like it.
Man I miss these days, just getting out of school an just playing co op with my friend on the 360 all night. The cut scenes in this game made you feel so badass. Cant forget evil cars either lol.
I love this scene/mission not just because of it's perfectly done "both sides have a point" moment, but because it's the part of the franchise that defined the best of what made the first two games some of the best Anti-Thesis against Gang Violence in both media, and real life. They've mastered the part of making it entertaining enough for simple mindless escapist fun, while also using that to cover a lot of strewn in depth not everybody will notice up until it bites them at just the right moment. Kind of like "Cannon Fodder" for the Z Generation.
THE ILLUMINATI COUNCIL That one was pretty satisfying too. But I felt more hate towards Julius (because he betrayed us) and Jessica (because of what she did to Carlos). So it was more satisfying to finish off those two :3
It sucks because Saints Row 1&2 both set up a wacky but very interesting story of gang members, Then 3&4 ruined it by making them famous and making them the fuckin president of America and aliens and all that crap. Shows how downhill and series can go and is probably the best example of it.
Volition: Don't you get it? The SR2 checks won't keep the bills payed up. People were still making good money, people still have kids to feed. All we did was turn into a GTA copy cat. Fans: Jesus Christ, y'all sound like pussies. Volition: We sound like ppl that have bills to be paid and kids to feed. Fans: You wanna be a greedy millionaire? Fine! Ignore the fans and don't get them what they want, but you NEVER should've made SR3 & 4. Volition: You telling me if we ended the Saints Row franchise at SR2, y'all still be satisfied? Fans: Fuck no! Make a remastered version with better graphics and less glitches. Volition: Jesus, y'all haven't learned a goddamn thing. Fans: Wrong. We learned that multi-million dollar companies give more fucks about the money, instead of the fans. Your time's over, old shit. Volition: What's happened to y'all? Fans: Gat Outta Hell. Volition: Y'all owe us. If it weren't for us, SR1 & 2 wouldn't have existed. Fans: If it weren't for y'all, Agents of Mayhem wouldn't have existed. Volition: I guess that makes us even. Fans: Not really.
The thing I like about this mission is that you can do it in any point in time: at the start of the game, straight after breaking out of prison, in the middle of fighting other gangs or at the very end.
Saints row 1&2 were great because its was gta but with humor and parody but everything after was like something you’d see on adult swim after midnight.
We became the lesser evil by killing the greater this isn't about who's better... It's about who's left. You betrayed our trust we did everything you said without question. And you blew us up
I played this mission last. Since Julius taught the Boss everything he knows and made him who he was, it’s only fitting he dies by the Boss’s hands in the end.
@@spineless_ i was more just thinking do a black ops 3 and have our modern day characters go back in time thanks to kenzie's genuis bullshit, and the younger characters take over but kenzie is kept alive or something
Boss hasn't to be this way and after him if Julius won't plant bomb on boat.Boss still listen back then but he become worst by Julius' betrayal when he woke from coma after recovered from boat explosion.Troy is making right choice.They need to understand Troy and innocent people's feeling.
I love how the player created his character its cool and unique it feels like its apart of the game even tho he created it at the beginning and love the voice actor he did a great job
+Isaac Ali You kinda made yourself look like the moron there. +Richard Ransom It's easy to associate the protagonist with being the hero, because of how they're framed in the story, but in SR2, you're a murdering sociopath. During the later missions when Ultor starts to turn on you, your character throws a bartender (female) into the line of bullets to save himself/herself and makes a small joke afterwards. You're the villain. No doubt about it. But in a Deadpool kind of way.
Yea I recently replayed 2 & 3 for the first time in years & I've realized that you play as a complete gang mastermind psychopath barbarian. At least in GTA the principles of morality come up now & again. But still great games nonetheless.
+Brody Route you can play it on the ps4 bro, you would have to stream the game. Go on the store & looking at the streaming service. They also let you stream other saints rows
SR2 was the end of what could have been a great franchise. Volition lost sight of what made Saint’s Row popular to begin with. Saints Row 2 should have had Gat and the protagonist set up a separate faction of the Saint’s and let Julius push his group towards whatever new direction he felt was best. Unfortunately, this happens in real life that creates bloodshed, but would have been a greater story than what we got.
see on saints row 1 the character was shy to talk But now since everything changed he's serious btw the characters name is real name is Nolan or Mikey Check his record
+The Saint If you chose 'Nolan North' as your voice in Saints Row IV then in the 3rd mission when Kinzie says just be you and cause havoc the boss says "So be Nolan?". I never heard Mikey before though.
I’ll never forget the pure awe I felt stumbling across all of this randomly without a guide. Countless hours just playing in the open world after the story because I loved the game so much, finding this was a real goldmine.
Really makes you think about the whole story of the saints, kind of feel bad for Julius, dude was speaking straight truth. Group of sociopaths and vice Kings that wear purple
Despite being an undercover cop, I gotta give Troy credit for his loyalty. He gave Julius & the rest of the saints an out,without them getting arrested, kept Playa alive on life support during the coma & made sure Johnny wasn’t killed in prison.
Thats what makes the game so deep and complex...you're not the "good guys". And the game doesnt pretend like you are. The game is trying to be genuine. Unlike the hypocritical reboot.
You know, I think the Boss should have encountered Troy at the police station after checking the wire taps. While the Boss is checking Dex's files, Troy should have went back to his office where they are, establishing a difficult reunion between them. Troy tries to explain himself, while the Boss locks the door and begins to intimidate him. He explains that he didn't want to take down the Saints, rather than to have them walk away from crime, which upsets the Boss even further. The Boss tries to kill him, stating how he betrayed them and knew about Julius' attempt to kill them, and then question why he didn't tell the other Saints any of this. Troy says that if he did tell them, they would have killed Julius and be even more motivated in their criminal life. Troy then apologizes to the Boss, and that he should have been more honest with them, but he was so concerned about their well-being, as well as with Gat, Dex, and all his other homies. The Boss then lets him go, stating that him being chief of police is punishment enough, and that he's gonna keep cleaning up the Saints' messes from now on. They then make their leave, as they prepare to call Dex.
When people hate troy, but hes doing all he can to help the saints. I MEAN HE INVESTIGATED THE EXPLOSION AND KEPT HIM ALIVE ALL THOSE YEARS! HE MAY BE A COP BUT HE LOYAL!
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." _~Friedrich W. Nietzsche_ You think we became the monster in this ending of SR2? No, son, _we're the monster in SR4._ Gazed long enough into the abyss.
2:36 Dex (on phone): How you doin', playa? If you gone through Troy's files, you'll know that Julius set you up. Meet me at the ol' church, and I'll tell you where to find Julius.
Zonda Gaming gaming these days is moneygrab and the devs don’t care for their games back then the devs cared into making something people will enjoy not for the money like these days
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“All we did was turn into the vice kings that wore purple...”
The sad truth, we are the bad guys here, we used to be cleaning the streets and we have turned into what were fighting against in the first game.
Well rather have the saints in charge who wont blow up the city if there isnt any competition.
The brotherhood, samedi, ronin. all those would have had a bigger impact than the Saints.
I mean shit, we did turn into Vice Kings who wore Purple, but the sad truth is, when we dropped the flag the city went to shit any way?
Might aswell do it yourself and ensure it goes as planned :/
We are the bad guys, to some extent.
However Julius took his trust as being a leader and deceived, betrayed and attempted to murder all of those who would take a bullet for him in any other way.. he done fucked up once he dropped his flag, whilst being a leader he could've changed his ways.
Shit, leaving two sociopathic murderers in charge and not having killed the entire city by now goes to show it aint all that bad (Gat and The Boss)
@@kujiano4756 either way the boss is a fucked up person period lol
Did Julius ever said anything bad about the way Playa handled stuff?
No he fucking encouraged him and then without even mentioning Troy proposition he blows the kid up.
Just after we worked our asses out to SAVE HIM.
“We are the bad guys here..”
No shit you play a gangster taking over the city toppling empires and other street gangs
No shit you're a fucking gangster.
Get it Julius he died at a Roman stage set
duddddeeeee
Holy shit! That's clever, Volition.
ya
Damn
I don't get it
Even though Julius kinda had this coming since he crossed the one rule the Saints had, ultimately he was right. Ever since Gat and The Boss showed up The Saints had lost its original purpose of ridding the city of gang activity and became Vice Kings who wore purple. I also feel somewhat bad for Julius. Judging from his rapidly aged appearance he's clearly been down on his luck ever since the Saints disbanded and judging from his eyes he turned to drugs to ease his internal suffering after learning that the betrayal of his friends was pointless in the end seeing as 3 new gangs have taken over the city he once tried to save and became a shell of his former self.
Woah I just blew my own mind. Why can't Saints Row 3 and 4 have characters this deep?
AHappyBlackGuy Julius had this coming for so long because when he joined Ultor to be a tour guide for the renovated Saints Row Church that covers the origins of the Third Street Saints all of the original inhabitants of the district were left homeless and many of the other original saints were dead or serving jail sentences while he got to live a cushy luxurious lifestyle. The reason he looks a lot older and his eyes were a little purple was because he was probably using drugs because he felt really guilty about betraying his number two. The Saints specialty is Gang Warfare they don't start trouble with the cops unless they prove a problem. The only one who is an equal asshole besides Julius is Dex.
AHappyBlackGuy still the police here were absolutely terrible. What with Monroe making you assassinate Marshall Winslow and then later giving so much power over to Ultor. My guess is Troy when he became chief of police tried to stop Ultor but it was too late because they were already really powerful. Troy was also the one that made sure the protagonist stayed alive when they were in a coma.
Seriously though, how could Julius expect a fucking street gang to rid the city of crime? Doesn't he realize what type of people join gangs? The whole point of a gang in the first place?
It was a lost cause from day one, and he knew it once he decided to murder the boss and throw the Saints to the dogs. He abandoned all those people he was supposedly "protecting" and only cared about himself in the end.
Still though, shooting him was going a bit too far. I would've preferred if we were given a choice to let him live and make him leave Stillwater forever and never come back, or go after Dex together. It seemed like they were building up to the latter but then they just went nowhere with it.
I did. And I gotta admit, it gave me have a whole different perspective about the protagonist. Julius was wrong for not talking to him first, but then again, the protagonist wouldn't back down, so technically speaking, they're both wrong and right, but Julies is super wrong for setting him up like that.
It's confirmed they are making Saints Row 5
This is the true final mission in Saints Row 2.
Raphie009 No its not, its a secret mission
.....lol
i always did it after the saints got back together to tie up loose ends
I think the best time to do it is right after you destroy one of the gangs.
295Phoenix all of them right the brotherhood the robin and son of samedi right
12:06 he joined your gang, did everything you said without question and became the most trusted, loyal and capable saint you had. pretty sure that debts paid
That's probably why he says, "not really." after he kills Julius.
julius wasn't supposed to have something with that explosion.
gegen sw Like what instead?
@@tobyclain9467 he was supposed to be injured and hide someplace else.
gegen sw How did he become injured?
"If it weren't for me, you woulda died on that street corner." TECHNICALLY it was Troy that shot the thug who was about to kill The Boss. From the beginning, despite the fact he was a cop, Troy has been pretty good to The Boss. He kept him alive after the explosion, he's looked the other way whenever the Saints were back on their bullshit, and most of all Troy is only one phone call away to be a homie in Saints Row 2. Troy is loyal to his job, but at the same time I can tell he respects The Boss.
Which is why he needed more than a mention in 3
If it weren't for you i wouldn't of been in a coma
@@DayDayVM "Troy can't bail you out of this one"
“I should’ve left you on that street corner where you were standing”
“Butcha didn’t” *ratatatat*
Plus Julius always saw the Saints as expendable if necessary. He considered Lin's death and Johnny being crippled as acceptable losses. Plus it was Troy and Johnny's extra effort that allowed them to round out the plans the other lieutenants had to take down the gangs while Julius cashed in the chips.
So not really is an understatement for the boss
Boss was so heartless back then, now he's a comedian
He became way more heroic in Saints Row 3
@Sgt. Negative tbh, going from a street thug to the president is pretty damn gangster
I don't know what the hell were the developers thinking. They had the ball rolling fast in Saints Row 2. They had it breaking out of its "GTA Clone" branding and becoming its own thing. Then Saints Row 3 happened. Not gonna lie, its fun, but were they high while doing it? It was way too wacky and unbelievable
@@TheTriangle444 Yeah they probably were high, what's your point? The game has always been wacky and fun as hell or did I imagine that whole part where you can tell the player to rip a fire hydrant out of the ground with his bare hands and beat cops up with it?
@@solinvictus4367 im not complaining about that. Those features are what i like about saints row as you cant do in gta. But the storyline makes the game feel like a different game, if you feel for the franchise that is
Fun fact, Julius wasn't supposed to turn on you at the end of SR1. He was supposed be set up with the gang (show running from an alley covered in his own blood) but the animators altered the scene without the consent of the development team. Much as I love SR3/4, I can't help but wonder what might have happened if we got the ending we were supposed to.
ShaDHP23 If what you say is true, then they pulled a "Saints" and betrayed their leaders. Betrayal.
King Panthro yeah , what he said is true
ShaDHP23 Yeah, the whole series was changed cause the editors got lazy
@jac'quinn Inman No
@Donnie Pendleton Its not th-cam.com/video/JS5t4hpHe34/w-d-xo.html
As I grow older I come to realize that Julius was right
Hammad S especially because at the bar scene, when ultor is trying to eliminate the saints, he uses the bartender as a shield.
King Panthro yeah the boss was the most vile piece of shit in saints row 2.
King Panthro That part always bothered me. Even though you can kill millions of npcs, that cutscene always put a bad taste in my mouth. I’m sure it was supposed to, The Boss ranges between antihero and villian in 2. I liked him that way, too, even though Troy Baker makes him so likable in 3 and 4.
traci beachel that's the thing: he treated his gang like shit and you can see that in most scenes. A gang leader shouldn't be an angel since their work is dirty, but they should atleast respect the men that stand by them, which he didn't. Although in retrospect his personality does make sense since it was up to him to revive the third street saints, so there was alot of pressure going on.
traci beachel yeah I guess. again, his personality made since but I felt they could have executed it better.
"I didn't do shit to my hair" that part is the best thing said in this game and you would know If you played the game
Julius was morally right here, but at the end of the day he still betrayed his most loyal gang member who did everything he ever asked of him without any question or hesitation. The Protagonist assassinated mayor Winslow and the chief of police Monroe _just_ to get Julius out of jail, and Julius didn't even respect him enough to sit down and explain why he needed to dissolve the Saints; like a snake he just planted a bomb and hoped it would kill the Protagonist. I definitely understand why the Protagonist felt the way he did in this mission.
The thing is everything he said was flawed and his actions didn't line up with what he said. He created a street gang not a vigilante group. Who benefited primarily by everything done in Saints Row? Julius. Who got the playa involved in criminal activities? Julius. The leader sets the tone for the group but never did it seem like he was attempting to make anything other then a street gang.
If you are going to engage in criminal activity the only thing you can expect to replicate the Vice Kings (Didn't end well for any of their members). Dude was better off creating a non profit organization against crime. Honestly, it can be assumed that the coma along with events of the first game made the Playa much more violent. That is very common in those type of environments.
Short Version: Actions speak louder than words. A street gang can never decrease crime. Especially when it relies on illegal activities to make money. Best you can hope for is to be similar to the Vice Kings.
Like I get what a lot of people are saying on the comments, but yeah if Julius didn't like how things ended up and Gat and Playa didn't drop their flags, then just leave.
And still, the Saints DID dissolve and look what happened, three new even more dangerous gangs showed up. If the Saints stayed in power, gangs like the Brotherhood and Ronin wouldn't even get a chance to get started and Stilwater would have most likely been better like how you wanted
He wasn't suppose to betray you he was suppose to be running in a alley coverd with his own blood but the writers basically said fuck that I guess
@@LuminousWhispers11 The Saints are a lesser evil tho sure they are worst than the other gangs but having one unified group controlling the city is better than four warring street gangs. The Saints as bad as they are maintain stability.
@@Nomozacc If they are worse then they are not the lesser evil. For the record, while each group specializes in something in both games, the Saints get involved in all forms of illegal activities. So, objectively a city being controlled by the Saints is worse than a divided city. The gangs countered each other but the Saints conquer the entire area in both games.
Kinzie: "The reason was that the boss was kind of fucking crazy back then."
Johnny Gat: "That's a fair point."
Gat outta hell quote
SR2's boss was genuinely intimidating and someone you didn't want to fuck with. In SR3 and SR4 they drop that completely to make the boss more funny and "lol random".
@@karawithgun8148 in SR3 he became a Celebrity Icon for some reason which might explain his shift in personailty
@@turtleguymcturtle4303
On the Bosses wiki it mentions something like he kind of grew soft since he pretty much had everything he desired at that point. (End of Sr2)
@@Diamond_2403 Yeah that's pretty much why we have the Protagonist in SR3 & 4 he's more laidback and less psychopathic then SR2
Julius was right. The saints weren't about protecting the streets anymore. Taking over more likely, but he was at fault. 3rd street acted under his influence. Carried out every order.
Arthur Jones that’s why I don’t blame the boss. I agree with what he says to Julius, if he felt guilty he should have just dropped his flags and left without issues. It sorta feels like Julius is making himself sound like the victim of his gang turning into something he didn’t want even do he knew what it meant by wiping out the other gangs and taking over there territory. Hell he was present when they made the deal with the Columbians to get the drugs back and become their main business partners.
@@draico4265 I mean the boss was a yes man, if Julius wants him to druve to the strip club, he'll do that. If he wants to go get ice cream he'll goddamn do it. But I still think the power he got corrupted him and in the game u can see him became more psychotic as the game progress.
@@draico4265 The Colombian deal never made sense to me since the Saints were supposed to be "protecting" the streets. However, I could understand Julius wanting to destroy the monster he created rather than allow him/her to do more damage.
Man fuck Julius
The original Saints Row set Volition up to create a truly gritty tale of gangs & revenge but they completely rushed it all & turned it ridiculous. I feel like they blew so much potential to even rival & kick GTA off the pedestal. No wonder they went bust, no vision.
Bailey Energy I think it's the other way around, Saints Rows 1 and 2 were both released after gta 3 and San Andreas, and it shows in many ways, volition knew they could never compete with gta, so the newer games shifted saints row from just being a clone of gta, to a fun series with more room for ideas that would never work in the first two
That's why they used the same map 3 times in a row.
iPon3time you mean like how they used the same map for saints rows 1 and 2? also, how does that counter what I said?
They at least stopped using it after the second game.
Joe Scirrotto No, Saints Row 2 gave the franchise enough steam to rival GTA, but then The Third fucked that up. I
Just like Julius Caesar, Julius died on the roman stage set.
And killed by someone he trusted 😲
Lol I like how the cops just let the leader of a violent street gang walk into the police station and listen to private audio files.
this dialogue was just beautiful
02:08 Troy: WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?! Julius: It was the only way! Troy: I SAID "TALK", NOT SET OFF A GODDAMN BOMB! Julius: Relax, Troy. The Saints are finished. They won't try to find me.
Police wiretap #3
Yep
*don’t try to find me
Julius did do it smh thats messed up
Idk why you commented this exact line in the video as if we’re all as deaf as you are with your head in your ass
Damn that ending is brutal
"Then I guess that makes us even..."
BAM
"Not really."
TheBrillyx and the not really comin after 🤣
Cuz the boss is still alive
I mean Julius was trying to "sleazeball" his way out of it when it was obviously Troy that saves the boss in the first game. The boss may have been at the peak of his evil in this game, but at least he saw through everyone's bullshit and didn't take it, and made good on never going after Troy when he realized he had nothing to do with the boats bombing in the first game.
saint row 1 and 2: oh what a normal cool gang game
saint row 3: ok this is a little high tech and weird
saint row 4: what the actual fuck
I'm no purist by any means and like The Third quite a bit, but 4? Fuck 4, it doesn't exist.
Lol. They're going bankrupt. It was the least they can do to make some money to pay programmers maybe...
@@ciptapradja2814 who's going bankrupt? Saints Row 4 sold a million copies its first week.
@@rumham3070 thq. Chapter 11 dec 2012
The third was pretty cool tbh
The saints row series went downhill after this one.
Agreed
I concur!
So true
no
It got way too ridiculous.
12:07
Julius: I should've left you in that street corner where you were standing.
Boss: But cha didn't.
President playa: what
Okay throw me some numbers
Actually, it was Troy who saved him.
I always considered this as the true ending of SR2. I really wish that SRTT had continued where SR2 left off from. The corporate warfare dlc was the perfect set up for a sequel. I hope the new saints row goes back to being gangster again
Nope
2021: New saints a bunch of gender studies major college kids
The monkey paw curls its fingers.
Still, better than the "reboot" dog shit we're getting now...
Soooo... this aged like milk.
All this with Julius bring a traitor is because an animater was lazy and instead of showing Jules run away at the end of saints row 1 he instead made Jules pick up a cell phone and watch the bomb go off. It was supposed to be Jules being chased
Don't call him Jules you haven't earned it.
@@Agentohyeah ok Julius u put me in charge of the los carnales shit now u got me saying it
@DeadX2 "Dex do your job, but don't ever think you're bigger than you are. When it comes to the columbians, you call me, understand?"
4:24 a nice bit of foresight, julius starts the mission injured due to the beating you gave him
Julius admittedly for me was right the saints have gone down a dark path.
Stealthyhunter think of it like this he knew what they were doing beginning to end. He didn’t stop them from going the wrong way. Hell he was present when they made the deal with the Columbians to become the main business partners.
the saints were never on a right path, they're a street gang and didn't try to be moral about it either
He kinda kickstarted it though. His most loyal member (us) we’re doing anything they could to save him and he betrayed us
Julius was right. The Saints desended into madness being led by a sociopath and psychopathic sadist as his second in command. Dex was intelligent enough to know there was no reason for mindless mayhem. Lin knew right from wrong and was only just a tough nut, strong but had a straight head. Troy was an undercover cop who had morales. Julius was seeing the error of his ways.
More like he set a god damn bomb, and yet you think that was right? Are you serious?
I forgot how cold blooded this game is.
Absolutely loved that about this one
At least I know why Keith David is said to be like Julius in Saint's Row 4.
Saints Row sound design in cutscenes: Perfection, action packed and realistic.
Saints Row sound design in-game: N64 audio
I think it’s the pc version
@@todddollasign5635 It was like this on my Xbox 360 too. Not only low audio quality, but sometimes gunshots would lag
Good God the vehicle audio makes my ears bleed...
Bruh you all are overreacting. N64 audio in game? Are you high?
@@AkiRalcolf Its an exaggeration
Julius looks like Samuel L. Jackson
Not in this game he doesn't
Jules look like a shell of himself here
Mean that this would be CJ killing Tenpenny.
@@JackCeck isn't Julius voiced by Keith David?
Dan yes he is voiced by Keith David
I have no idea why it's literally the funniest thing in the world to me when Julias screams "STOP" at 3:58
Julius was right but also, I’m sure the SR1 boss would’ve understood what was happening. He was loyal to the gang till the end! Assassinating people to get Julius out of jail safe and sound. Julius made a shit judgement call and turned the boss into a true psychopath.
That betrayal truly changed him. I feel sorry for both of them but in the end, I feel sorry for volition not finishing this story. Big loss
Nah
Judging from the way the Boss says “This is my City”, He would never have had any kind of meaningful epiphany.
The boss became a psychopath well before SR2 started, being converted by the power and wealth he discovered. He killed hundreds without any hesitation whatsoever, and never shows any signs of remorse or empathy. He shoots civilians dead for literally no reason when carjacking them if he's holding a pistol, just because he feels like it.
This comment is the only one that gets it. The betrayal by the man he most admired changed him and made him operate with utter ruthlessness.
Cap Julius was a hypocrite and a liar
Man I miss these days, just getting out of school an just playing co op with my friend on the 360 all night. The cut scenes in this game made you feel so badass. Cant forget evil cars either lol.
I love this scene/mission not just because of it's perfectly done "both sides have a point" moment, but because it's the part of the franchise that defined the best of what made the first two games some of the best Anti-Thesis against Gang Violence in both media, and real life.
They've mastered the part of making it entertaining enough for simple mindless escapist fun, while also using that to cover a lot of strewn in depth not everybody will notice up until it bites them at just the right moment.
Kind of like "Cannon Fodder" for the Z Generation.
12:17 perhaps the most satisfying moment in the series. probably tied with maroe crushing jessica tho
Tristan Vaughan what about humiliating Killbane by ripping his mask off or ripping Zinyak's head off?
Matt Gerrish To an old school Saints row fan, those moments that you mention are non-existent.
Khansterbeam how about taking down the ronin
THE ILLUMINATI COUNCIL That one was pretty satisfying too. But I felt more hate towards Julius (because he betrayed us) and Jessica (because of what she did to Carlos). So it was more satisfying to finish off those two :3
Khansterbeam mister sunshine was too easy aswell as ronin am confused why the typical npc enemy does soo much damage with extreme speed and precision
It sucks because Saints Row 1&2 both set up a wacky but very interesting story of gang members, Then 3&4 ruined it by making them famous and making them the fuckin president of America and aliens and all that crap. Shows how downhill and series can go and is probably the best example of it.
TonnatoTvshow yeah
Dan
i had to ruin your day.
TonnatoTvshow not particularly they could have gone a different route with the story XD
Dan
our character again dying?also my saints row 2 crashed[10 fps per second means 90% crash]
TonnatoTvshow lol
so troy was a cop the whole time through SR 1
Undercover cop
+Snapper ah ok
After Chief Monroe died in SR1, Monica Hughes (Alderman Hughes' widow and new mayor of Stilwater) made Troy the new police chief.
My brother called it immediately
The only white lieutenant turns out to be a cop, how racist 😁
I like how you can do this mission at literally any point in the story after breaking out of prison.
This very well should have been the final mission in the game
Volition: Just like old times playa (Saints row 3 & 4)
Fans: Yeah...
Volition: Jesus I thought we were past this...
Fans: Not by a fucking long shot
Volition: Don't you get it? The SR2 checks won't keep the bills payed up. People were still making good money, people still have kids to feed. All we did was turn into a GTA copy cat.
Fans: Jesus Christ, y'all sound like pussies.
Volition: We sound like ppl that have bills to be paid and kids to feed.
Fans: You wanna be a greedy millionaire? Fine! Ignore the fans and don't get them what they want, but you NEVER should've made SR3 & 4.
Volition: You telling me if we ended the Saints Row franchise at SR2, y'all still be satisfied?
Fans: Fuck no! Make a remastered version with better graphics and less glitches.
Volition: Jesus, y'all haven't learned a goddamn thing.
Fans: Wrong. We learned that multi-million dollar companies give more fucks about the money, instead of the fans. Your time's over, old shit.
Volition: What's happened to y'all?
Fans: Gat Outta Hell.
Volition: Y'all owe us. If it weren't for us, SR1 & 2 wouldn't have existed.
Fans: If it weren't for y'all, Agents of Mayhem wouldn't have existed.
Volition: I guess that makes us even.
Fans: Not really.
Hey nigga I am the real one
*Shoots an Harpoon at The Company*
@@StillND Holy shit nice new version of the script, need to send this to Volition
@@StillND true shit .
There's something so poetic about all of this...
This series is the epitome of,
"They had us in the first half I'm not gonna lie"
Did you do something with your hair?
*I didn't do shit to my hair.*
Nice haircut
Is there anything they could've said besides the hair?
You pullin a gun on me?
No, but I did change my gender.
The thing I like about this mission is that you can do it in any point in time: at the start of the game, straight after breaking out of prison, in the middle of fighting other gangs or at the very end.
Now that I’m older... I understand what Julius was trying to say
Saints row 1&2 were great because its was gta but with humor and parody but everything after was like something you’d see on adult swim after midnight.
Gta with a bit of humor is just gta
Gta also had a lot of humour. Gta 4 was rockstars first serious gta game.
I remember finding this as a kid with zero guidance, oh my god was this amazing
Julius became a tour guide 😂😂😂
It's fitting, he lived and breathed the Saints and the church, no better person to tell the history
We became the lesser evil by killing the greater this isn't about who's better... It's about who's left. You betrayed our trust we did everything you said without question. And you blew us up
I played this mission last. Since Julius taught the Boss everything he knows and made him who he was, it’s only fitting he dies by the Boss’s hands in the end.
tb game. used to play this all the time when I was in middle school.
Steven Martinez Same here. I got this game in 2010 back when I was in Elementary School.
RDK_KIDXMURDA sophomore year for me
Damn it Playa.
12:16 and not a single fuck was given that day
0007Rovert7000 lm
This was the bed Julius made. Fighting street gangs by making one was very stupid of him, a man like the Boss was inevitable to be in the ranks.
I hope saint row 5 goes back to it's roots.
I’m guessing you’d just be a the United States president when the zin never came
@@El_Sueno591 easiest way to retcon everything is time travel, would be typical, sure. But the series has been everything but
@@clawzx1195 or you could just retcon 3 and 4?...
@@spineless_ i was more just thinking do a black ops 3 and have our modern day characters go back in time thanks to kenzie's genuis bullshit, and the younger characters take over but kenzie is kept alive or something
Thatd spice things up
4:11 *STONE COLD THEME SONG INTENSIFIES*
😂😂😂😂😂 imagine if they did play that.
@@sersiniokyte5558 exactly
Boss hasn't to be this way and after him if Julius won't plant bomb on boat.Boss still listen back then but he become worst by Julius' betrayal when he woke from coma after recovered from boat explosion.Troy is making right choice.They need to understand Troy and innocent people's feeling.
Saints row was better than GTA back in the days
To quote with David. From saints Rowe 4 “he was right” and that’s the sad truth.
this game was ahead of its time
I did this mission with Troy and Gat as homie backup. These 4 defending the old church. Chills.
I love how the player created his character its cool and unique it feels like its apart of the game even tho he created it at the beginning and love the voice actor he did a great job
Given how far the new games went with more fantastical circumstances, I think the fifth game will need to return to older story roots in some way.
Hopefully
Bad news
@@jeanfredperez1631 Pain, suffering and anguish are all I feel.
there never ever will be another saints row now
Not gonn lie, your Character is actually the Bad Guy smh, when I was Younger, I always thought it was Julius as the Bad Guy, it's actually You smh sad
It's always the good ones who dies soon.
traci beachel He’s talking about the story that was built up from the last game to this level learn when to be sarcastic you stupid fuck
+Isaac Ali You kinda made yourself look like the moron there.
+Richard Ransom It's easy to associate the protagonist with being the hero, because of how they're framed in the story, but in SR2, you're a murdering sociopath. During the later missions when Ultor starts to turn on you, your character throws a bartender (female) into the line of bullets to save himself/herself and makes a small joke afterwards.
You're the villain. No doubt about it. But in a Deadpool kind of way.
Yea I recently replayed 2 & 3 for the first time in years & I've realized that you play as a complete gang mastermind psychopath barbarian. At least in GTA the principles of morality come up now & again. But still great games nonetheless.
@@wulftheghost u dont need to be a traitor to be a villian...
You get this thumbs up because of the throw at 5:19💯
😂😂😂😂😂when you grabbed dude he said "damn all shit" then you threw him 😂😂
LP SNEAK FREAK John
LP SNEAK FREAK John LoL that was funny. I knew I wanted to replay something I seen then u reminded me lmao 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😸😸😸😸
5:18
The GOAT of sandbox games.....yeah I said it
Solid joke
@@MirandaAndUh saints 2 row is definitely up there in the top ten.
GTA Sa, then this then sleeping dogs
3:59 that was a genuine ass *STOP!* 😂😂
The SDG242 😂
He was about to die, I’d do the same thing.
I miss this fucking game
:( we all do
I still play it
MrSouthswag I used to but I don't have an Xbox anymore I have a ps4
+Brody Route you can play it on the ps4 bro, you would have to stream the game. Go on the store & looking at the streaming service. They also let you stream other saints rows
+Whiteboii6761 can ı play saints row 2 on ps4
SR2 was the end of what could have been a great franchise. Volition lost sight of what made Saint’s Row popular to begin with. Saints Row 2 should have had Gat and the protagonist set up a separate faction of the Saint’s and let Julius push his group towards whatever new direction he felt was best. Unfortunately, this happens in real life that creates bloodshed, but would have been a greater story than what we got.
I missed this one. What a pity.
see on saints row 1 the character was shy to talk
But now since everything changed he's serious
btw the characters name is real name is Nolan or Mikey
Check his record
+Jose Rodriguez its a game created by people.....
+Jose Rodriguez Is that why they got Nolan in SR IV?
The character has no real name it's what the player wants him those two name have not really been told are canon
+The Saint If you chose 'Nolan North' as your voice in Saints Row IV then in the 3rd mission when Kinzie says just be you and cause havoc the boss says "So be Nolan?". I never heard Mikey before though.
AHappyBlackGuy Same. Also in Enter the dominatrix when they call you he says "This is Nolan"
Julius looks like he’s been hitting the crack pipe in between games
I’ll never forget the pure awe I felt stumbling across all of this randomly without a guide. Countless hours just playing in the open world after the story because I loved the game so much, finding this was a real goldmine.
100% mins blowing at the time
I was just thinking this
saints row one and two was amazing,
three was ok but after two the game went to shit they need to go back to the days of 1 and 2
Saints 1,2,3 well always be the best ones and a classic
Julias is Sgt. Foley from MW2, same voice actor at least.
Along with Captain Anderson from Mass Effect and the Arbiter from Halo
@@ShepardN7.And Spawn from the Spawn animated series.
if only there was a better ending for dex rather than a demon with a purple hat
I haven't played the first game but this sure gave me a sense of closure.
Really makes you think about the whole story of the saints, kind of feel bad for Julius, dude was speaking straight truth. Group of sociopaths and vice Kings that wear purple
Just after saints row 1 and 2. It was over
Despite being an undercover cop, I gotta give Troy credit for his loyalty.
He gave Julius & the rest of the saints an out,without them getting arrested, kept Playa alive on life support during the coma & made sure Johnny wasn’t killed in prison.
Thats what makes the game so deep and complex...you're not the "good guys". And the game doesnt pretend like you are. The game is trying to be genuine. Unlike the hypocritical reboot.
12:06 i like how they summed up Saints Row 1 to the beginning to the end lmao
You know, I think the Boss should have encountered Troy at the police station after checking the wire taps. While the Boss is checking Dex's files, Troy should have went back to his office where they are, establishing a difficult reunion between them. Troy tries to explain himself, while the Boss locks the door and begins to intimidate him. He explains that he didn't want to take down the Saints, rather than to have them walk away from crime, which upsets the Boss even further. The Boss tries to kill him, stating how he betrayed them and knew about Julius' attempt to kill them, and then question why he didn't tell the other Saints any of this. Troy says that if he did tell them, they would have killed Julius and be even more motivated in their criminal life. Troy then apologizes to the Boss, and that he should have been more honest with them, but he was so concerned about their well-being, as well as with Gat, Dex, and all his other homies. The Boss then lets him go, stating that him being chief of police is punishment enough, and that he's gonna keep cleaning up the Saints' messes from now on. They then make their leave, as they prepare to call Dex.
When people hate troy, but hes doing all he can to help the saints. I MEAN HE INVESTIGATED THE EXPLOSION AND KEPT HIM ALIVE ALL THOSE YEARS! HE MAY BE A COP BUT HE LOYAL!
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
_~Friedrich W. Nietzsche_
You think we became the monster in this ending of SR2? No, son, _we're the monster in SR4._ Gazed long enough into the abyss.
arbiter looks weird here
Ian Armstrong 😂😂😂
8:32
*WE MUST GO.*
@Son Gohan *THE DEE-MAHN!*
Le oof I get it
Sgt. Folley looks different
Julius appears again in Saints Row IV as an assassination. Select it, kill him and you will have him as a homie.
Justin Pullin
Luis Luciano
I was expecting Julius to say: RAMIREZ TAKE DOWN THAT CHOOPER
Isn't there supposed to be a mission with Ultor after you smashed the shit out of Maero?
Yep, they're coming next. I thought it would be more fitting to upload this mission now, before destroying Ultor.
***** true
+Willzyyy how you skip
when will they make call of duty black ops 4 because that game hasn't been made yet I hope they will make it sometime in the future
PS3 triangle xbox360 y
2:36 Dex (on phone): How you doin', playa? If you gone through Troy's files, you'll know that Julius set you up. Meet me at the ol' church, and I'll tell you where to find Julius.
The only reason they changed saints cuz ppl kept sayin it a gta rip off then accepting it for wat it is. So they went all crazy with 3 and 4.
Looking back at this Julius had it coming but in the end he was actually right
Good ol days :)..... Why the bloody crap does the old games be better than the new
They set bar to high also saints row 3 and 4 aren't that bad[at least they have working pc port]
Tonnato The Annoying lol kinda my shit crashes to often
Zonda Gaming gaming these days is moneygrab and the devs don’t care for their games
back then the devs cared into making something people will enjoy not for the money like these days
This is when the Playa died... and the Boss was born.
Saints row ain’t the same no more
It’s the voice of the admiral from mass effect
11:14 the protagonist actually made sense Julius didn’t have to set him up could’ve just walked away left it like that.
“I Learned the being in charge is better then being a bitch who keeps his mouth shut and does what he’s told” is my favorite quote