Finally!! a Lightroom Tool that actually IMPROVES Image Quality!
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In this week’s episode, we discuss the just released Lightroom Tool that actually improves image quality! One of the biggest complaints for years from Lightroom users has been it's inability to improve overall image quality by reducing noise in a photograph. The previous way of doing this reduced some noise, but also destroyed all the fine detail in an image. And now thanks to Ai, the new option available in Lightroom not only removes almost all noise, but also sharpens and enhances the fine details as well - a total Win Win! But, that's not it - in this video I'll review the new Ai Denoise feature along with some of the other new tools available in the latest update in Lightroom. I hope you enjoy this week's video & as always thanks so much for watching! - Mark D.
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🌟Question: What’s the highest ISO you’ll use on your camera?
Generally around 3200 but with this new tool I think I might up my limit
I have an older D7200 so usually I don’t go above 3200, very rarely I might…might go to 6400. I think I did that once. I have used auto iso during a Supercross event and I am not sure, without going into the metadata, what the camera did.
On my R6 I and II I find 6400 to be relatively useable
That’s my thinking as well
With my Sony A7 IV, I used to never go above 3200. With the new AI noise reduction tool from Lightroom, I can now go at 6400 without any issues. Love it!
This new feature really rescued my astrophotography. No longer do I feel like I need to stack images at ISO 1600 or 3200.
it has some artifacts on the stars though. It created some curvy and relatively long lines between some stars
Mark. Your content is quite remarkable, and so are your style, presentation, narration and voice. You seem to be such a nice guy who genuinely likes to help and share knowledge and skills. Thank you so much for what you publish on this superb channel. So helpful.
I agree 100%
Would be interesting to see how the noise reduction on high ISO compares to a low iso shot, to see how accurate the color/detail actually is.
Ive already tested this a lot and from what i can say : high iso shots that went through lightrooms denoise ai most of the time look just the same ( often even better ) as base iso shots ( though base iso can have some noise in it aswell ) - the only problem is, when there are very small faces and a lot of noise (and i mean really small like for example fotos of people that are in the background of an image ), because then the ai very often does not know how to render these parts and it does something scary to the faces.. but nothing they cannot fix with some better face recognition
@@alessiobartolotti318 Thank you for testing this for us! I'm too casual a photographer to upgrade from the old Lightroom 6, but it's cool to see how this technology is evolving.
@Alessio Bartolotti is it available on the mobile app?
Did this, absolute game changer tbh. Was scared to shoot over 3k iso but now I can get away with 25600 and no issues. Just careful with detail though, cause the ai over does it if you yeet the slider to 100%
Takes 10-20 min to try yourself though, quit being lazy.
Thank you Mark! The past several of your vids that I’ve watched regarding Lr have been tremendously helpful and I’ve seen a very noticeable difference in quality in the final edit 🙏
That denoise feature can be a game changer for smartphone photography. Especially with low light.
... and other crop-sensor cameras
Mark, Just letting you know these are my favorite videos of yours. Love seeing and learning like this. Bravo.
For action shots, I started using more and more Auto ISO (after setting my shutter speed very high to capture action, and the f stop around f8 to get more in focus). Sometimes that results din ISO's between 3200 and 6400. I was using Topaz Noise AI to manage the results, and it works quite well, but is an extra step in my LR workflow. So it works but is usually cumbersome. Then when this LR Denoise AI tool became available, I tried it out and did some comparisons to Topaz AI on some higher ISO action shots I had. The Topaz tool might be very slightly better quality under a pixel microscope, but boy is the workflow so much easier using the LR tool. So I have stopped using Topaz and now only use LR Noise AI and will probably never look back. And I also thought I was seeing some better color and sharpening when using this Noise AI tool inside LR, but I was thinking that couldn't possibly be happening, right? Glad to see you confirm what I was seeing. Thanks! :)
Your videos are absolutely amazing! I feel like I’m sitting in your living room with you, while you’re showing me stuff on your computer! Very very comfortable, which is a good thing because now I feel like I can go and do this! Thank you again for your knowledge!
Great vid Mark, thank you for taking the time to pull this one together.
I really enjoy your videos - Clear, entertaining and really helpful. Thanks!
Good summary. I’ve been doing a lot of shooting but very little editing since these changes came out. This is very helpful.
Very helpful Mark! Thanks so much!
I viewed your free video on Lightroom and found it very helpful. One of the most detailed and easy to understand and I have seen a few! Thank you.
Great video as always. Thank you!
Thanks for the heads up. I had noticed that new noise removal tool in Lightroom, but hadn't got around to looking at it because I just assumed it would make a soft-ish mess of my photos. Nice to see it actually helps.
Hello Mark, Thank you for sharing this outstanding video. As always, I continue to learn something new from your videos & I THANK YOU for that, Tom.
Mark-Thanks for another great and informational video! So many of the updates to Lr I wasn't even aware of until your instruction - THANKS AGAIN!
Great to hear it’s helpful!
Thanks Mark. I always share these videos with our photography club members. Super informative...
You solved a problem for me. I didnt realise denoise could only be used on raw files. I only shoot raw, but I imported a lightroom image i did earlier and denoise didnt work, then I realised the processed raw image becomes JPEG, when exported so denoise wouldnt touch it. Really excellent tutorial. You really bring home just how good this new denoise feature.
I have an old laptop, i upgraded to be able to use Lightroom Classic, but still takes an anoying lenghth of time to process ! But the results are spectacular. Thanks.
Thank you for this! Really helpful!
Love having the new denoise feature. It will cause me to go back and do a better edit to some of my older shots. Have done some work using the Curves tool in Photoshop, but not a ton. Will have to experiment with it some more. I suspect a lot of your viewers also have just a little experience with the Curves tool. Now that it is in Lightroom it might be a helpful to your viewers to do more of a deep dive into the Curves tool in a future video.
I like the idea of curves in masks - what i really wanted was HSL or color grading in curves but we can essentially do that in PS if we needed to. And if you’re clever enough with curves you can get many of the same results with curves. So that’s awesome.
Thanks Mark. Great video !!
The new noise reduction has received lots of attention, thanks for pointing out some of the small improvements that can make a big difference too.
Thanks Mark. Great content (as usual)
Great review of these new tools in Lr, Mark!! It's very helpful. There are reviews comparing the enhanced handling in Lr v DxO's PureRaw3 and Topaz'a rendering as well. booth line, these tools are getting better and better and competition benefits us all!!
Totally helpful! Thank you!
Thanks Mark, love your content…. Always helpful especially now as I work this into my
new work full. I’m a capture 1 user over the years but the gap has now been narrowed.
Thanks so much AJ!
Thanks so much for helping me to realise my LRC had not auto-updated, and was therefore running on an earlier version, pre-noise reduction! Had to reload Creative Cloud before I could get anything to update. Now looking forward to testing NR on some of my library pics...
Nice LRC tip, thank you for doing this video.
Thanks for this video. Impressive tool from LRc! 📸👍
Great tips thank you!
Hi Mark, I agree, LR Classic is getting better and better. I now rarely use PS, except for a couple of tools. As always, LOVE your channel!
Great job, thanks. Al
Wow 😮 I didn’t know. I’m going to try it. Its amazing
Well, let me tell you...I do mostly stage photography--musicals, dance recitals, etc. I live at ISO 6400 with a lot of black in the backgrounds. The Lightroom Denoise is absolutely amazing for me. A revelation.
Agreed. We just shot a low light event held in a tent. I was able to clean up so many images with denoise. But you have to be careful with it as doing too much makes the AI component too obvious.
Excellent, Thank you!!
Another interesting video Mark, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for checking it out Steve!
Mate, that was fantastic!
Another excellent video. Very well explained. Does it make a difference if you apply the noise reduction before or after you edit an image?
Mark, you are really cool.
As always, your video was a treat!
Super video. I didn't realise it only works with raw files!
A friend of mine who I thought photography was having issues with understanding photography. I considered him still at the intermediate level. One day he was hired to do a photoshoot of a birthday party using his new Canon 1DX Mk II camera. After doing the photoshoot, he called me up the following morning and was in a panic mode. He told me that all his photos at the party were noisy. I asked him every question that I can think of that may have caused the noise in his photos. He emailed me one JPG image to see how serious the noise was. I was totally flabbergasted after viewing the image. They were somewhat noisy as hell but not too noisy. I told him to give me all the RAW image photos and put them in a flash drive. After using this technique of Lightrooms AI Denoise I manage to rescue all the noisy images that he took and came out more of a presentable image to his client. Of course, I had to charge him for my work but he was happy in the end. Yes, this is a great tool that Lightroom added in the denoise adjustment.
Yes, I have tested few days ago this new functionality and I found it very good for me, for what I need (not a pro photographer). I use Nikon Z50 (crop sensor) and I got noise very often, especially in low light situation, even on a tripod and ISO 100 (which is normal, in the end). With this Denoise AI I ended up with beautiful images, clean and sharp. Even on my pc it tooks like 6 mins, I'm happy with this new function, I don't think any more to get or try another software. Thx Mark for this video.
Some of the examples I first saw seemed to show a slight dulling of the color - it was a vivid hummingbird and it just didn’t have quite as much luster in the final edit but that could easily be bumped back up. But here, the color looks great. And if this is just version 1?? v2 will be incredible.
I'd forgotten all about the new 'de noise' function in LRc 😢 thank you for bringing this up
Great tips, I have tried and like it
It seems to me that the information that's baked into a RAW file is more than other, previous, post imaging processes have been able to interpret. In other words, the green "clover leaf" information was always there, but this new process is able to "see" it and therefore enhance it. This new tool is truly amazing!
Excellent presentation and all examples!! What is the editing pad you are using?
Thanks
Wow - I love LRC - but this is just getting beyond now - brilliant stuff
Nice video. Thanks I always find your talks useful as a landscape photographer. I'm blown away with the new Denoise tool you spoke about. I do lots of photos in low light for sunrise and sunset, luckily in RAW format. Just in the past week I've recovered over 10 photos that I thought were lost due to noise. I was worried the Fuji XT4 might not have a large enough sensor for what I enjoy shooting the most, ie sunrise.. Problems solved! The Denoise feature on Lightroom has made the investment in LrC an easy choice and something that will improve my enjoyment in photography. A must have for any serious photographer! Regards.
Thank you!
The color enhance can be problematic. Saw another TH-camr try it on a shot of the aurora. While it was great on his Mac, on his PC the aurora was throughly oversaturated with new colors introduced. Hopefully, Adobe will provide a slider to adjust the color enhance level
A video on how to make colors match on Mac and pc would be great!
I "color calibrate" on my pc, but looks dark on my Mac.
Would love to see out of the box mac/pc matching tutorial. Without adjusting monitors RGB. Like a normal person would do.
Example, walk in best buy and look at your website portfolio, vs walk in a Mac store and look at your portfolio.
the denoise is def fun to play with, but the curves in masks is really something ive been waiting for. super powerful.
Totally agree!
Agree I have been loving the color you target too with mask now .. there were so many times I wanted to effect color in the masked region but not the rest of the image 😊
The denoise ai helps me so much with my bird photography because it allows me to shoot at higher apertures and shutter speeds without stressing about the noise
That 25600 noise looks awesome THE WAY IT IS. We need a consciousness change regarding noise!
Always learning practical tips. Something Adobe doesn’t do so it’s great that you do.
It's worth mentioning the benefits of a graphics card upgrade to use this feature effectively. I tried it on my old PC and got an estimated time of 50 minutes! My new PC does an image in 10 seconds, it uses a 3080Ti card and 64gb of RAM. I don't think I would have the patience to wait 40 seconds per image if I had a large batch of files to do.
If the rest of your PC is not too old, then I think a graphics card upgrade is pretty much essential to make the most of this.
I have been using Capture One for almost a year and think it works well. However, I have kept seeing features of Lightroom that I felt were superior to C1. Also, the amount of information and instruction is vastly larger. I've been thinking about switching for a while now. The final straw was I went with a pro photographer and did a two day shoot of a big horse roundup here in NW Colorado. I got some great images but, without going into details, many of them came out grainy for reasons I'm not really sure of. Still working on that. Anyway, I didn't want to lose these shots, and so, since I was aware of the new denoise feature in Lightroom I pulled the trigger only last night. I've been using only one image so far as a learning tool. All I can say about the denoise is, "Holy Cow"!!! I think it's going to save a whole slew of photos that otherwise would have been lost. And yes Mark, I downloaded your free Lightroom Essentials Course. Thanks!
It takes like 4-5 mins on my fast computer to process a Sony A7 IV file but WHEN IT DOES. Wowzers! I will be doing this to all my stock images from now on. It really is impressive.
I agree with your comments about the advances made in Lightroom and are now able to satisfactorily process about 80% of my shots in it but came across 2 yesterday that were not so good. One was a flock of sheep which I first tried in Topaz photo AI which was so bad I cancelled the edit. Lightroom denoise and detail was not bad but the back part of the flock were not showing as sharp when objects both in front of the flock and behind it were. so I passed the photo to Photolab 6 elite and applied XD prime to it and it produced a completely different photo sharp throughout with no noise. Having said that LR denoise was just as good as DXO on some night photos of lights on buildings and even showed the stars in the sky as did DXO so it's performance seems to vary depending on the photo. I think for Fuji X files DXO is still better for colours.
I love this tool so much! Makes a huge difference! 🎉
Totally agree - very impressive!
I've just tried this tool and it is amazing! It seems to add colours in that aren't visible in the RAW file and sharpen as you say! But is it best to use this tool BEFORE or AFTER we apply edits to the photo?! I did the former and my PC almost had a meltdown. Thanks so much for showing us this Mark you really are a top gent! And it's impressive how you role these videos out every week without fail , hats off to you.
A seemingly small thing, but having the little tick marks for each panel really helps stay consistent. Can't quantify how much time it saves to not have to open each panel to make sure I've made my desired adjustments in that section.
As a wedding photographer this is a big help
Wow! you still have an iPod! That is great!
Very good, as always.
On your shirt where it says "Nature Photography Collective", I couldn't help but notice that the "ph" seemed to be moving like it was floating above the shirt, in 3D. Makes for a great distraction!
I have shot 25,600 on my D7000, which is its max ISO as Hi-2, but it was for a night sky using ETTR (expose to the right) that I learned from Lonely Speck. I don't use it often. My usual max is around 6400, and I'm still experimenting with it.
I'm happy about this. I have Topaz Denoise but I would much prefer not to have to export to a TIFF in order to remove noise. I'd like to do as much to the RAW photo as possible before exporting as a TIFF to an external editor. The extreme example you gave gives me a lot of faith in this because my highest landscape ISO is 800 so I'm sure my results will look great. (If someone's actually shooting landscapes at 25,000 ISO then something has gone horribly wrong!)
another great video. I never noticed the dots. Cool! I am hoping Lightroom allowed collapsing of sections in the mask because they will be adding HSL, Color Grading, and more robust Detail to masks. One other feature that would be useful in Lightroom would be Focus Stacking. Hopefully a much better solution than Photoshop’s poor results. More along the lines of Helicon’s solution (a good piece of software), but I think Adobe could do even better than that interface with better initial results using AI for parametric decisions.
Pure detail and microcontrast…still matters a helluva lot. Last summer I started shooting sports at iso 800 all the time to get the benefits of dynamic range protection. Nowdays I’m confident in my composition and the basic dynamic range enough to stick at 200 and …yeah the pure detail is there where it wasn’t last summer.
Thanks for this
You bet!
Great video , this makes me glad that I subscribe to Adobe for updates to my LR, PS ,CR .I don't have to scrouge around and update my LR. I will give this a try .If I make a virtual copy of an edited photo , will I need to reset the image to use the enhance tool? I like this added right history folder if you will is a great addition!
Thanks Mark, great video as usual, I tried the new AI Denoise tool and it work well, but does take a while on older PC's😀. I would be selective for which images I use it on, hopefully not too many.
True! For me it takes ca. 30min 🙄 but it works very well 😁
Lightrooms Denoise is really good. When I need to use it, I'm so happy it works well.
Creating “Fantasy” in Lightroom is a skill set all of its own to be sure
Wow, with your endorsement in this latest episode, I guess I need to learn how to maximize the benefits of the tone curve. Sounds like I'm missing out.
Nice find. I used this yesterday and was pretty much blown away. One thing that did not work was having it(the denoiser feature) paste across multiple images. I had to painstakingly apply their 'denoiser' individually to each image and wait. I may have to see for sure I'm right and if so...is there a workaround. With the advent of this 'denoiser', I wonder why camera manufacturers aren't pushing this type of software in the body of the camera? This add on does not have to allow a multiple burst mode(to save on processor overload)...one image a second is fine. Shooting at this high an ISO is used rarely but build in the noise reduction into the camera. The Zeiss ZX1 camera has Lightroom built in...I wonder if it has this new 'denoiser' feature?
Mark: I think the takeaway from your work in this video is not that Lr is better than or even equivalent noise reduction to any other third party products. It's that we have another choice; another (in this case, viable [you imply this]) option. That's a great thing. Thanks!
Awesome video❤
Thank you!
Shows us a photo with a little noise and then tells us it was taken at ISO 25,600! Wasn't long ago that 1600 was pushing it. A 400 film was considered fast. It'snot just the software thats come a long way. What a wonderful time to be a photographer.
Since going full-frame, I've always shot Manual with auto ISO, keeping an eye on the ISO just to ensure it didn't go too high. Now I have this LR update and Topaz Labs PhotoAI I don't even look at ISO because it doesn't matter anymore !!!
Mark, where did you get that shirt? Excellent, informative video by the way, as always. :)
I know you mentioned how the Denoise feature also seems to improve the detail, but has the sharpening tool been upgraded as well? I’ve been contemplating getting Topaz AI, but if Lr can keep up, I won’t bother introducing another program. Also, I just want to say that I’ve watched a lot of your channel and that your presentation on this particular video was top notch. I guess it helps when your genuinely excited about something. 😊 Great job!
Thank you Mark for this video. The AI Denoise looks a great tool for people with a older camera, like me, I have an EOS 600D. Last week I made several photo's with an ISO of 1600, so there is lot of noise in those photo's. I was wondering, how to remove some, but hearing about this tool gives will make my work a bit easier. Thank you very much for showing this tool. 👍
Glad to do it and thanks for checking out the video!
I'm really glad I saw this video. I've been experimenting with the ai denoise with event photography and the results are nowhere near as nice as they are here. Knowing when to use which tools is super useful though.
Thanks. So great. I also like touch pad, what is brand name?
Didn’t know about the AI noise updates in Lr, very useful. I use 1600 ISO for low light wildlife photography 👍🏻
Nice Monitor!
Great video! DeNoise gives new life to crop sensors:
MFT can be the new FF,
FF can be the new MF 😃
(disregarding DOF differences)
Hey Mark! Great video. I have noticed you and a couple of other photographers say you use Lightroom when you use Lightroom Classic. I cannot use LRC on my pc. My pc does not have the right GPU. I don’t know if Macs are different and have this ability or you customized your system. If Adobe made a change to LRC did they make that change in Lightroom?
Nice !
Great video! 👍🏻 Are y using your Apple monitor for printing, just 85% Adobe RGB, if yes how is result?
You can fix photos without having expensive lenses or cameras. Just wonderful for those of us on a tight budget. This new A.I. software is just perfect for us.
when I go over the 1000 iso I start to worry, this is mainly a kick back from my D300s when after 800 everything went south. Reckon I could take the D500 to 1600 with safety. thanks for the vid.
what would be interesting is to compare this denoise tech result from an apsc sensor's high ISO-pic to a full frame one without denoise.
Your default color noise reduction was on 25 and that's why you were not seeing the green leaf on the ground, I guess the AI denoise starts with the real RAW photo (the one that is not spoiled with any noise reduction). So, in the past when I was using Lightroom (been using Darkroom for years now) I kept the color noise reduction at 0 and Luminance noise reduction at 10.
Thanks Mark, such a good practical review. My denoise takes 50 minutes on some images. Not sure what to do.
Thanks Daniel!
Likely time is hardware (processing power of your computer) and size of the photos.
It's easy to be impressed with these functions just like when the Topaz prgrams were launched, however, the results are a little "smudgy" still very good but might benefit from some nice even noise being added in a controlled way to give the illusion of detail, that green leaf for example seems to lack texture.
Are these new versions available on the iPad too?